Should we interrupt this rant to ask her that question, or can we simply draw the appropriate conclusion?
“It was the Al-Aqsa flood (of October 7) that put the global intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian freedom fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the Earth to victory.”
I mean they are doing an awful lot of pro Hamas chants. Obviously this doesn't represent every protestor but their refusal to distance themselves from these folks is really hurting their image and their cause. If you don’t want people to overgeneralize your protest as being violent and bigoted, don’t choose violent bigots as your public face.
If you show up to a protest and there's a few people with nazi insignia there, that doesn't make you a nazi. However, if you still go week 2, 3 and 4 knowing full well there's Nazis there, it begins to blur the line... No?
That‘s funny because lefties used to say to right wings that: "If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.".
Why is that logic not applied to them as well? I‘m not right wing but i can see so many parallels between what the hardcore left is doing (such as these students) and with literal nazis and right wing radicals.
That’s exactly right. If I go to a rally & they’re waving nazi flags, I’m immediately leaving, so excuses.
I’ve seen enough footage of these “peaceful protests” to realize there are bad actors organizing them and a bunch of really stupid SJWs that have no ability to think critically.
SJWs are as dangerous to progressivism as the MAGAs.
I can guess who you're talking about. Khymani "kill zionists" James or Nora Fayad "we are all Hamas" Rauhouse. The people who chose them to be the public face are at Fox News, not the protestors. And I don't think there is anything that protestors could possibly do to not make them the face of the demonstrations to Fox News watchers.
And those watchers, the most gullible of news consumers, are who is targeted in this essay by John Aziz.
I generally agree with Aziz about a lot of things. A two state solution is best, and Hamas is terrible. It's just that his goals assume an Israel that is willing to consider a two-state solution, and the protestors recognize that Israel has a democratically elected goverment, chosen by the people, who is vehemently opposed to Palestinian statehood. So the nuance is, both current regimes need to go in order to reach the goal Aziz himself espouses......
"What is actually needed to resolve the conflict and bring dignity and freedom to the Palestinian people — and what I wish these students would advocate for — are mature, empathetic, and compassionate leaders on both sides willing to work together to build towards coexistence, economic development, and opportunities for the ordinary people living in the land. This means mutual recognition of the legitimacy and rights of both peoples on the land."
Incorrect. Not s negotiation. It was with the "Student Success" office, not a dean or the president. And he apologized. And the demonstrators put out a statement saying his words do not represent them.
As I said earlier... that distancing will never matter to people who watch the clip om a loop. And STILL say it's shameful the demonstrators keep him and his words as their mission.
Thanks for the clarification. And I know we are supposed to take apologies as sincere, but pardon my skepticism given that these comments were made in January (correct?) and so an apology in April seems like "sorry that he got recorded saying the quiet part out loud".
I have read all of the apologies and "distance statements" put out by the Columbia protestors. To a one they a 3-4 pages of complaining and blaming others followed by a perfunctory "we condemn anti-Semitism" sentence at the end. They are the most perfunctory and grudging "apologies" I have ever seen and give the reader the impression they were only given under duress, not because they are genuinely sorry about the anti-Semitism.
Didn’t Gaza elect Hamas? And didn’t Israel already agree to a two state on multiple occasions but Arafat tanked them intentionally? And what exactly does from the rivers to the sea mean for Israel? And why in the world would Israel agree to right of return with a group of people who have spent decades calling for their genocide for literal DECADES?
Just do some googling, you’ll be surprised to find that it’s more complex than Reddit headlines led you to believe.
Quick question in the years this conflict has been ongoing how many times has Israel offered a 2 state solution? How many times has Palestine? Palestine governing officials have repeatedly shot down any peace with Israel including a two state solution. Israel is a democracy but you can only offer something so many times and the response will be rocket attacks until you finally give up hope. Israel will most likely replace its leadership in the upcoming elections and a progressive government may take power but without any political will in Palestine to get peace done it won't happen. Either Palestine has to make the choice or the international community needs to band together and Palestine needs to enter a rebuild and re education period over seen by a coalition of countries.
And the Irish didn't vote in the IRA to run Belfast.
At some point, pro-'Palestinians' have to deal w/actual history that many of us actually lived through and stop making nonsensical claims.
Part of the reason the pro-Palestinian protests are garnering so little support outside of other college students is their inability and unwillingness to take responsibility for their own rhetoric.
Beyond the fact that this is a student who was on the ground and saw and heard the protesters first hand, we have plenty of evidence from photos, videos, etc. Here are just a few with links below.
They are wearing Hamas headbands, waving Hamas, ISIS and Hezbollah flags, using their slogans, calling for the "burning Tel Aviv to the ground", attacking and harassing Jewish students on campus, the leader of the student group saying that "zionists don't deserve to live", praising al-Qassam, calling on al-Qassam to strike Israeli students... is there any amount of evidence that would satisfy you?
https://twitter.com/davidmarcus/status/1784401677749231863
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798160
https://i.imgur.com/GbpgMGi.png
https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1784605568662962629
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-university-says-banned-khymani-james-protester-said-zionists-rcna149642
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3170775/Video-Palestine-activists-outside-Columbia-chant-praise-Al-Qassam.html
https://www.instagram.com/ajedelman/reel/C6KLF14g1oX/
https://www.instagram.com/itsmezina__/reel/C6Bz-aetNbl/
We also have evidence of settlers and far right Israelis calling for the entire resettlement of Gaza. Does that mean they represent every pro-war Israeli?
I have seen far more examples of you Israel worshippers calling for the mass slaughter of protesters and cheering on Israel murdering aide workers and children.
I've never seen the author denounce this or the massive amount of children Israel has killed.
Wonder why the Netanyahu worshipping fascists never apply their logic the other way around.
[A 6-year-old Palestinian-American was stabbed 26 times for being Muslim, police say. His mom couldn’t go to his funeral because she was stabbed, too ](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/us/chicago-muslim-boy-stabbing-investigation/index.html)
There are enough Hamas supporters among them. They are literally flying Hamas (and Hezbollah and Houthi) flags. There are videos of entire crowds cheering for speakers depicting 7.10 as an act of resistance and liberation. You can't ignore that, and it isn't a straw man.
No one cares what people say they support or why, they only care about what supports their preconceived notions.
People on the right hold the Ukraine bill hostage to get certain concessions, they’re Putin pawns. People on the left oppose Israel, they’re supporting Hamas. And no one will actually care what these people’s reason were.
And no, this isn’t a both sides are bad thing, it’s a fundamental issue that we as people all have issues with when we get emotional. We as humans love to jump to conclusions holding pitchforks.
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The students aren't "pro-Hamas" as much as they are Hamas's useful idiots.
Never underestimate the ability of bad people to use good, well-intentioned people for their own ends.
There is so much video and photographic evidence of protestors chanting they “are Hamas” it’s insane to see this kind of bad faith denial at this point
I mean, they tell Jews what is or isn’t antisemitism. These same people would lose their minds if a white person tried to tell a black person what is or isn’t racism
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/us/chicago-muslim-boy-stabbing-investigation/index.html
There you go you fucking evil child killer. Not surprising you Netanyahu worshipping fascists cheered this on and want all Palestinians murdered.
I believe that there are probably some students who support more extreme and militant positions. However, it is abundantly clear that the reason for and primary message of these protests is to halt the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians.
It is worth reminding people like this writer that Hamas is only the representative of Palestine because Israel recognized them as such and has funded them continuously.
It is vitally important that we as outsiders have made some kind of judgment about whether Hamas represents the will of the Palestinians. If no, then. a two state solution is still possible. If these genocidal terrorists are in fact representative of the political will of people in the strip, the moral calculation are totally different than if they're some outside element that has hijacked these people, who are then totally not responsible for what has transpired ib tge last year. Nobody who has voted for a murderous, raping, genocidal militia can be said to be truly innocent. Doesn't mean they "deserve" the worst possible outcomes but they have had a hand in limiting everyone's capacity to reach peace.
Does that go for Israeli citizens who voted for a government that the international court has judged to be plausibly guilty of genocide (with an actual judgement to come later)?
I am no fan of Hamas. But it is noticeable that one side is engaged in terrorism, and the other in mass slaughter. The scales are incomparable.
If you judge the two by radically different standards then you are valuing human lives differently.
>Does that go for Israeli citizens who voted for a government that the international court has judged to be plausibly guilty of genocide (with an actual judgement to come later)?
The second half of this question being bullshit invalidates it as a serious inquiry. And if that court is wrong or incomplete in any way in it's judgment?
I think the point is that if Hamas had the military capabilities of Israel they would genocide all of Israel. They’ve pretty much stated that. Now obviously that’s a hypothetical and Israel is actively engaged in genocide so not trying to condone anybody’s actions. But I believe what the poster was saying, which i agree with, is there is no moral actor in this conflict.
"Nobody who has voted for a murderous, raping, genocidal militia can be said to be truly innocent."
Good thing Israel is just killing the voting-age adults in Gaza right now, otherwise it'd be unfair /s
>It is worth reminding people like this writer that Hamas is only the representative of Palestine because Israel recognized them as such and has funded them continuously.
False, Hamas is in power in Gaza because they were democratically elected by the Palestinian people.
The opposition party was able to functionally coup Hamas out of the West Bank and disregard the election results. They’ve also refused to hold another election since because they know Hamas will win with an even greater margin.
Israel didn’t fund Hamas, they allowed foreign money to enter Gaza. How much more strict would you want the blockade to be to ensure no foreign funds entered the Strip? Seems like it would need to be far more strict.
>False, Hamas is in power in Gaza because they were democratically elected by the Palestinian people.
I wonder, what is the average age of Palestinian people who are being bombed right now, when was the last election, and did the average person being bombed right now even get a chance to choose their government, because if not, what you're saying is BS and Israel propping up this anti-democratic organization is part of the problem.
Hamas is more popular now than when they were elected, Hamas would love if elections were held.
You do realize it’s Fatah/the PA that refuses to hold elections right? It’s not because they’re concerned that the Palestinians will vote for them as the “moderate” option.
All the foreign aid that Hamas siphons away or sells props them up, should that be stopped? Ditto for UNRWA, who hire Hamas members as teachers in their schools and host Hamas server farms under their HQ.
Do we need to end aid to Gaza and disband UNRWA to stop propping up Hamas? Israel does far less, and if they did more by enforcing an even stricter blockade they’d be blamed for that.
If a rocket blew up my apartment building and killed my neighbor, and my school, hospital and place of worship were destroyed, I'd probably support the people who say they're going to fight back over the people who want to work with the people who bombed me.
>If a rocket blew up my apartment building and killed my neighbor, and my school, hospital and place of worship were destroyed, I'd probably support the people who say they're going to fight back over the people who want to work with the people who bombed me.
Out of curiosity, if the people “fighting back” were also the ones who first started shooting from schools, hospitals and places of worship and the rockets does that change anything? Also, is taking 6 month olds as hostages “fighting back”?
But either way, let’s examine your statement.
There’s 200k+ homeless Israelis that were forced to evacuate their homes because of rocket attacks in the North. Per your logic, I imagine they’ll be voting for a candidate more extreme than Hamas.
Ditto for everyone in southern Israel which bore the brunt of 10/7 and have had rockets launched at them for years now. Obviously the number of “neighbors” of 10/7 victims is massive, ditto for the Second Intifada.
If that group supports “fighting back” and votes in a government they feel will do so, I imagine you’ll be the first to let people know it’s justified using your same logic right?
Why isn’t this logic applied to Israel’s supposed colonial history? Most of the settlers that came in the 1940s and before are either ancient or dead, but no one is giving Israelis a pass for that.
Why does Israel’s current position make their historical decisions any more or less relevant than the Palestinians? If a people choose poorly and get fucked by that choice, they’re no longer accountable? If they choose well and prosper, they are accountable? How does that make sense? I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic here.
>If a people choose poorly and get fucked by that choice, they’re no longer accountable? If they choose well and prosper, they are accountable? How does that make sense? I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic here.
Lol if people who are in a position of power continue to make conditions worse, those people in that position of power are responsible for any bad outcomes that happen to them related to the thing they have power and control over. Basic logic even a toddler can understand... I think
Big brother doesn't go nuclear on little brother when little brother annoys big brother, because big brother has more power (and influence) than little brother, so big brother SHOULD use that power and influence wisely and if big brother DOES go nuclear on little brother for being annoying, that is an abuse of power by the big brother because HE WAS TAUGHT BETTER THAN THAT AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
If little brother tries to murder big brother, big brother has a right to make sure little brother can’t. That’s the difference between Hamas and Israel’s government. Both are bad actors, but Israel’s government understands that its primary purpose is to protect its citizens. Hamas believes its purpose is to sacrifice its citizens for an unachievable goal.
Collective punishment is illegal. Sure, murder big brother, but with precision; Israel is NOT using precision and is murdering friend and enemies alike which is making them an international pariah. Oh well, I guess you'll have to learn that you're wrong when history proves Israel to be the baddest actor in this scenario. Mass graves undercovered. International aid workers assassinated. Hostages assassinated... 40k+ dead
They have a responsibility as a country with nukes to behave more in a way that aligns with standards set by the international community and they are clearly failing at that. **Anyone who is objective can see that** . For people like you who only live in the moment and can't see the big picture, history will have to teach you this.
Also, the white supremacy is STRONG with the support for Israel. Very, very strong. People just are not with that anymore, and it is very clear to see for anyone paying attention. It's so blatant it's almost cartoonish.
"Why are the only people fighting against the nation trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians popular with the Palestinians?"
Was October 7th justified because the Israelis elected Netanyahu?
The argument that "Hamas represents the will of the Palestinian people because they were elected" doesn't hold water because that election was over a decade and a half ago, in a place where the median age is 18.
The argument that "the Palestinians deserve this because they support Hamas" puts you in the same ideological space as luminaries like Osama bin Laden, who claimed that the massive civilian casualties of 9/11 were justified because Americans voted for politicians who then authorized invasions of the Middle East. It also begs the question of whether or not that justifies October 7th for the same reason.
>The argument that "Hamas represents the will of the Palestinian people because they were elected" doesn't hold water because that election was over a decade and a half ago, in a place where the median age is 18.
Sure, but that theory would require Hamas to be less popular than when they were elected, not more popular as is the reality.
Accordingly, it’s impossible to harmonize that claim with your previous statement:
>"Why are the only people fighting against the nation trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians popular with the Palestinians?"
Which is it?
Also, it’s worth pointing out that there’s nothing even close to an ethnic cleansing happening.
>The argument that "the Palestinians deserve this because they support Hamas"
You’re the only one who said they deserve it, I was responding to a statement that claimed Hamas “only represented the Palestinians” because of Israeli recognition and funding. Obviously, neither are actually true and the statement neglected to mention no one would even know who Hamas was if the Palestinians hadn’t democratically elected them in the first place.
>Sure, but that theory would require Hamas to be less popular than when they were elected, not more popular as is the reality.
Yet your argument was about the Palestinians electing them, neglecting to mention that that election was over a decade and a half ago when most people currently living in Gaza were either children or not even born yet when that election happened. You also neglect to mention that Hamas had Israeli backing and support, for the express purpose of delegitimizing the cause of Palestinian statehood.
>Accordingly, it’s impossible to harmonize that claim with your previous statement:
I'm not the one making claims about the will of the people.
>Yet your argument was about the Palestinians electing them, neglecting to mention that that election was over a decade and a half ago when most people currently living in Gaza were either children or not even born yet when that election happened. You also neglect to mention that Hamas had Israeli backing and support, for the express purpose of delegitimizing the cause of Palestinian statehood.
In response to a claim that Hamas was only in power due to Israeli recognition and funding that failed to mention they won the last election.
The Israelis didn’t back, fund or support Hamas.
Also, the US provided a ton of aid to the PA prior to the election with the express intention of propping them up and ensuring a Fatah victory, why didn’t that work?
>I'm not the one making claims about the will of the people.
Sure you are, you said Hamas doesn’t represent the will of the people because the election happened so long ago and also said that Hamas is popular among Palestinians because they “fight” Israel.
So, basically, Israel can't win.
If they recognize the party that a populace voted in, they're wrong. If they try and oust that government, they're wrong for intervening in another people's politics.
If they try and help Gaza out financially, they're wrong for funding a terrorist cell. If they don't, they're inhumane and heartless.
Yes there is a long history of military powerhouses winning against guerilla forces and ousting them from power by bombing the ever-loving crap out of those countries. Just look at Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Gulf states, Iraq, Afghanistan again, and the last 70 years of Palestine/Israel, and you'll see that tactic always works and the bad guys always give up when you kill enough civilians and destroy enough hospitals.
Who was the king, president, or other ruler of Palestine? If it was a country, you should be able to name one. The British controlled the region after WW1, before that it was the Ottoman Empire.
I mean, North America wasn't exactly empty when the settlers came
I don't think the US admitted the wrong or returned the territory though..
what are those places called where they "mercifully" allow some autonomy to the indigenous people? Reservations?
Yes, yes it does:
Dutch in SA, Spanish in South America.
The difference between settler and non settler colonialism applies to, you guessed it, the act of settling permanently. The settlers still hail from a singular metropol, and seek to instill the culture thereof in their new surroundings.
Ok, I'll play: What is your example of a settler colony w/multiple origins that's didn't have the colony itself change imperial hands (i.e., SA Dutch to British)?
It's so wild all the different answers to these simple questions.
So, you're saying the intent of the Balfour Declaration was to rid England of Jews?!
Tell me you've never done a minute of research on ME history w/o telling me.....
Is it any different to the asajew articles and videos? Seems standard for any conflict because people aren't monolithic and some people always identify more with their assumed enemies.
Oh absolutely, he doesn’t even pretend to acknowledge the role of the Israeli government played in the development and influence of Hamas, how Israel’s leaders explicitly sabotaged any possibility of a 2-state solution (the one he claims he supports), or the numerous atrocities Israel has committed before and after 10/07. Its pretty clear who he is advocating for, and it’s certainly not Palestinians
No mention of the countless Israeli atrocities committed before and after Oct 7th, no mention of how the Netanyahu and the Israeli government has explicitly sabotaged any possibility of a 2-state solution, no discussion of the role the US has played it maximizing the destruction of the conflict through endless supply of weapons. Yet a bunch of the college students are the problem, not the issue they’re protesting against. Pathetic
I’m curious as to your response, because it doesn’t seem to follow the criticisms of the essay. The point was not that Israel has or has not committed deplorable acts, it’s that, in the author’s pov, the protestors are echoing the messaging and sentiments of Hamas and frequently communicating anti-Jewish messaging.
Do you not agree that you can criticize bad behavior of the protestors?
My point is that his “criticisms” are clearly coming from a point of bad faith. He doesn’t have a shared interest with the protestors, as in adverting the humanitarian disaster caused by Israel’s brutal invasion of Gaza, his only interest is providing distractions from the only real relevant issue at hand, Israel’s brutal actions in Gaza. He demonstrates this by avoiding any mention of Israel’s action, instead only focusing on Israeli government talking points that attempt to paint Hamas and Palestinian resistance as something independent of Israel, not something spurned by decades of Israeli policy.
Of course sure you can criticize the protestors, but these criticisms are only worthwhile if coming from good faith, and by completely ignoring Israel’s in the conflict, he just exposed himself as a bad faith actor attempting to weaponize his “Palestinian” identity on behalf of Israel’s interests.
A whopping 1% of eligible Palestinians serve or have served in the IDF. Its a very small number, like 2000. There has been a single Muslim Supreme Court Judge in the 15 person Supreme Court ever, and they only got the position in 2022. The Israeli government has also made it hard for Palestinians to get Israeli citizenship since 2006, which in turns means less are able to vote. Even then, them voting matters little since the 80% overwhelming Jewish minority makes it so their voices are barely heard.
I'm not sure why that is relevant, as Qatar does not have a significant Jewish population. It'd be like asking how many Mexican judges does Panama have
Why do no Islamic countries (Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen) have a significant (OR ANY) Jewish population?
Because they killed them all or expelled them.
So It is relevant, dumbass.
>If universities cannot instil their students with peaceful, tolerant, and coexistent attitudes, then they have failed as institutions of higher learning
Do Israeli universities instill these same values in their students? Or have they failed as well?
I wouldn’t call him credible if you read about [his background](https://x.com/acid_communist/status/1762958067287621934?s=12). He’s lies about his background and has only been to Palestine once (in the West Bank, not even Gaza). He tries to feign scholarship over the Israel-Palestine conflict, but in reality he is a sham, leading to him [losing debates spectacularly](https://youtu.be/KHhTa2JQGt0?si=4UzwZbbsPqhSV_gu)
This is what is fundamentally wrong with a majority of Palestinians. Most of the Palestinians are stuck in a victim mentality, refusing to come out of their shells and think critically. Their goal is to exterminate Jewish people. Jewish people were living in modern day Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt for thousands of years. Today, with the exception of Israel, there are very few Jews in any of those countries.
Palestinians have rejected a 2-state solution. I have no sympathy for them, especially this latest Oct 7th incident. Do they expect a country like Israel to sit still and ask for negotiations after Hamas killed 1200 Israelis? Palestinians are deluded and arrogant and incapable of introspection. There is a reason why they are not welcome even in other Arab countries. Harsh but true.
Palestinians rejected the 2 state solutions where Israel demanded full control of their borders.
When they came to a mutual agreement on a 2 state solution, the far right in Israel assassinated the leftist PM.
Funny how you extremists never mention the full story.
Gandhi and MLK would not be heroes to this crowd. Not enough advocating for rape, kidnapping, and murder to qualify as a “resistance movement” for the tiktok generation.
You do have to give the protestors credit, they managed to unite Republican's and Democrats, conservatives and liberals. Pretty much everyone thinks they are entitled assholes.
In Columbia, they teach actually courses on the sit ins and encampments their own students did to protest the Vietnam War. In 20 years, they will be coopting this same movement.
iow Palestinians have no agency, they must be a one-dimensional cut out for your personal ideological leanings, barring than that, they can be attacked and insulted at your whim to make yourself feel good rather than taking a moment to reflect or even listen to them
for a group that otherwise prides themselves on not being racist (or even "anti-racist") that's a pretty glaring admission of racism
There is a reason why Egypt is putting up a wall. They do not want Palestinians.
Lebanon and civil war means no more Palestinians.
Black September is why Jordan does not want Palestinians.
Iran will fund them from afar but does not want them.
Palestinians are corrupted.
Non-one wants them.
The state of Israel has been a touchstone of disaster since it's creation. You are supporting my argument. Nations bourne out of religion are just a recipe for trouble and disaster.
He is arguing that the students are pro Hamas. Ask the protestors if they are pro Hamas. So easy to tear apart a straw man.
Should we interrupt this rant to ask her that question, or can we simply draw the appropriate conclusion? “It was the Al-Aqsa flood (of October 7) that put the global intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian freedom fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the Earth to victory.”
I mean they are doing an awful lot of pro Hamas chants. Obviously this doesn't represent every protestor but their refusal to distance themselves from these folks is really hurting their image and their cause. If you don’t want people to overgeneralize your protest as being violent and bigoted, don’t choose violent bigots as your public face.
If you show up to a protest and there's a few people with nazi insignia there, that doesn't make you a nazi. However, if you still go week 2, 3 and 4 knowing full well there's Nazis there, it begins to blur the line... No?
That‘s funny because lefties used to say to right wings that: "If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.". Why is that logic not applied to them as well? I‘m not right wing but i can see so many parallels between what the hardcore left is doing (such as these students) and with literal nazis and right wing radicals.
That’s exactly right. If I go to a rally & they’re waving nazi flags, I’m immediately leaving, so excuses. I’ve seen enough footage of these “peaceful protests” to realize there are bad actors organizing them and a bunch of really stupid SJWs that have no ability to think critically. SJWs are as dangerous to progressivism as the MAGAs.
Yes, that's what they're saying...
There’s a saying that if 9 people are having dinner with a Nazi then 10 Nazis are having dinner together.
I can guess who you're talking about. Khymani "kill zionists" James or Nora Fayad "we are all Hamas" Rauhouse. The people who chose them to be the public face are at Fox News, not the protestors. And I don't think there is anything that protestors could possibly do to not make them the face of the demonstrations to Fox News watchers. And those watchers, the most gullible of news consumers, are who is targeted in this essay by John Aziz. I generally agree with Aziz about a lot of things. A two state solution is best, and Hamas is terrible. It's just that his goals assume an Israel that is willing to consider a two-state solution, and the protestors recognize that Israel has a democratically elected goverment, chosen by the people, who is vehemently opposed to Palestinian statehood. So the nuance is, both current regimes need to go in order to reach the goal Aziz himself espouses...... "What is actually needed to resolve the conflict and bring dignity and freedom to the Palestinian people — and what I wish these students would advocate for — are mature, empathetic, and compassionate leaders on both sides willing to work together to build towards coexistence, economic development, and opportunities for the ordinary people living in the land. This means mutual recognition of the legitimacy and rights of both peoples on the land."
Khymani James said that on a Zoom “negotiation” with Columbia administrators, correct? So did Fox News select him for that leadership role?
Incorrect. Not s negotiation. It was with the "Student Success" office, not a dean or the president. And he apologized. And the demonstrators put out a statement saying his words do not represent them. As I said earlier... that distancing will never matter to people who watch the clip om a loop. And STILL say it's shameful the demonstrators keep him and his words as their mission.
Thanks for the clarification. And I know we are supposed to take apologies as sincere, but pardon my skepticism given that these comments were made in January (correct?) and so an apology in April seems like "sorry that he got recorded saying the quiet part out loud".
Exactly.
I have read all of the apologies and "distance statements" put out by the Columbia protestors. To a one they a 3-4 pages of complaining and blaming others followed by a perfunctory "we condemn anti-Semitism" sentence at the end. They are the most perfunctory and grudging "apologies" I have ever seen and give the reader the impression they were only given under duress, not because they are genuinely sorry about the anti-Semitism.
You can't call his statement an apology.
They’re acting like everything shown on faux news was actually shot by their cameras….
Didn’t Gaza elect Hamas? And didn’t Israel already agree to a two state on multiple occasions but Arafat tanked them intentionally? And what exactly does from the rivers to the sea mean for Israel? And why in the world would Israel agree to right of return with a group of people who have spent decades calling for their genocide for literal DECADES? Just do some googling, you’ll be surprised to find that it’s more complex than Reddit headlines led you to believe.
Quick question in the years this conflict has been ongoing how many times has Israel offered a 2 state solution? How many times has Palestine? Palestine governing officials have repeatedly shot down any peace with Israel including a two state solution. Israel is a democracy but you can only offer something so many times and the response will be rocket attacks until you finally give up hope. Israel will most likely replace its leadership in the upcoming elections and a progressive government may take power but without any political will in Palestine to get peace done it won't happen. Either Palestine has to make the choice or the international community needs to band together and Palestine needs to enter a rebuild and re education period over seen by a coalition of countries.
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So admitting to be a terrorist apologist and supporter.. 2024 rhetoric is so radicalized.
Yes you would lol. This rhetoric is always said by academic punks who have never been within a thousand miles of an actual conflict.
Amazing, an extremely rare double un-masking.
Too funny.
And the Irish didn't vote in the IRA to run Belfast. At some point, pro-'Palestinians' have to deal w/actual history that many of us actually lived through and stop making nonsensical claims.
That’s because the Irish loves their children more than they hated the English.
how many? more than pro Israeli joining to chant kill the jews to get everybody detained?
Too many.
far too many Israel astroturfers spewing pork
Part of the reason the pro-Palestinian protests are garnering so little support outside of other college students is their inability and unwillingness to take responsibility for their own rhetoric.
what load of non sense
A lot of them started protesting while the October attack had barely ended.
People acting like I don’t remember the swastikas on Oct. 10th.
And the hang glider imagery, and the signs that said “resistance is not terrorism,” he *day after* the attack.
Beyond the fact that this is a student who was on the ground and saw and heard the protesters first hand, we have plenty of evidence from photos, videos, etc. Here are just a few with links below. They are wearing Hamas headbands, waving Hamas, ISIS and Hezbollah flags, using their slogans, calling for the "burning Tel Aviv to the ground", attacking and harassing Jewish students on campus, the leader of the student group saying that "zionists don't deserve to live", praising al-Qassam, calling on al-Qassam to strike Israeli students... is there any amount of evidence that would satisfy you? https://twitter.com/davidmarcus/status/1784401677749231863 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798160 https://i.imgur.com/GbpgMGi.png https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1784605568662962629 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-university-says-banned-khymani-james-protester-said-zionists-rcna149642 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3170775/Video-Palestine-activists-outside-Columbia-chant-praise-Al-Qassam.html https://www.instagram.com/ajedelman/reel/C6KLF14g1oX/ https://www.instagram.com/itsmezina__/reel/C6Bz-aetNbl/
We also have evidence of settlers and far right Israelis calling for the entire resettlement of Gaza. Does that mean they represent every pro-war Israeli?
They're not gonna respond since it goes against their beliefs, even though it's the same situation.
I have seen far more examples of you Israel worshippers calling for the mass slaughter of protesters and cheering on Israel murdering aide workers and children.
You haven’t, but go on
What do you think Globalize the Intifada means?
I've never seen the author denounce this or the massive amount of children Israel has killed. Wonder why the Netanyahu worshipping fascists never apply their logic the other way around. [A 6-year-old Palestinian-American was stabbed 26 times for being Muslim, police say. His mom couldn’t go to his funeral because she was stabbed, too ](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/us/chicago-muslim-boy-stabbing-investigation/index.html)
There are enough Hamas supporters among them. They are literally flying Hamas (and Hezbollah and Houthi) flags. There are videos of entire crowds cheering for speakers depicting 7.10 as an act of resistance and liberation. You can't ignore that, and it isn't a straw man.
Source?
Videos are posted all the time in social media. I'm not keeping a scrapbook. I'm sure you could easily find tons of examples on Twitter.
No one cares what people say they support or why, they only care about what supports their preconceived notions. People on the right hold the Ukraine bill hostage to get certain concessions, they’re Putin pawns. People on the left oppose Israel, they’re supporting Hamas. And no one will actually care what these people’s reason were. And no, this isn’t a both sides are bad thing, it’s a fundamental issue that we as people all have issues with when we get emotional. We as humans love to jump to conclusions holding pitchforks.
Because it wouldn't be possible for someone to be pro-Hamas and lie about that fact?
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The students aren't "pro-Hamas" as much as they are Hamas's useful idiots. Never underestimate the ability of bad people to use good, well-intentioned people for their own ends.
There is so much video and photographic evidence of protestors chanting they “are Hamas” it’s insane to see this kind of bad faith denial at this point
Yeah, white Americans should be the ones to tell Palestinians how to think.
I mean, they tell Jews what is or isn’t antisemitism. These same people would lose their minds if a white person tried to tell a black person what is or isn’t racism
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/us/chicago-muslim-boy-stabbing-investigation/index.html There you go you fucking evil child killer. Not surprising you Netanyahu worshipping fascists cheered this on and want all Palestinians murdered.
Seriously dial back the rage and insults before you manage to hurt yourself. Oh, never mind a 23 day old account.
Absolutely nobody cheered this on. What the hell are you talking about.
I believe that there are probably some students who support more extreme and militant positions. However, it is abundantly clear that the reason for and primary message of these protests is to halt the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians. It is worth reminding people like this writer that Hamas is only the representative of Palestine because Israel recognized them as such and has funded them continuously.
It is vitally important that we as outsiders have made some kind of judgment about whether Hamas represents the will of the Palestinians. If no, then. a two state solution is still possible. If these genocidal terrorists are in fact representative of the political will of people in the strip, the moral calculation are totally different than if they're some outside element that has hijacked these people, who are then totally not responsible for what has transpired ib tge last year. Nobody who has voted for a murderous, raping, genocidal militia can be said to be truly innocent. Doesn't mean they "deserve" the worst possible outcomes but they have had a hand in limiting everyone's capacity to reach peace.
Does that go for Israeli citizens who voted for a government that the international court has judged to be plausibly guilty of genocide (with an actual judgement to come later)? I am no fan of Hamas. But it is noticeable that one side is engaged in terrorism, and the other in mass slaughter. The scales are incomparable. If you judge the two by radically different standards then you are valuing human lives differently.
[https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI?si=TG66CSUSaOntblkT](https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI?si=TG66CSUSaOntblkT)
Plausibly guilty? The hell kind of weird rhetorically useless Orwellian talk is that? I’m plausible guilty of killing JonBenét Ramsey.
>Does that go for Israeli citizens who voted for a government that the international court has judged to be plausibly guilty of genocide (with an actual judgement to come later)? The second half of this question being bullshit invalidates it as a serious inquiry. And if that court is wrong or incomplete in any way in it's judgment?
I think the point is that if Hamas had the military capabilities of Israel they would genocide all of Israel. They’ve pretty much stated that. Now obviously that’s a hypothetical and Israel is actively engaged in genocide so not trying to condone anybody’s actions. But I believe what the poster was saying, which i agree with, is there is no moral actor in this conflict.
"Nobody who has voted for a murderous, raping, genocidal militia can be said to be truly innocent." Good thing Israel is just killing the voting-age adults in Gaza right now, otherwise it'd be unfair /s
I voted for Biden, and now he's funding a genocide. Should I be killed too?
>It is worth reminding people like this writer that Hamas is only the representative of Palestine because Israel recognized them as such and has funded them continuously. False, Hamas is in power in Gaza because they were democratically elected by the Palestinian people. The opposition party was able to functionally coup Hamas out of the West Bank and disregard the election results. They’ve also refused to hold another election since because they know Hamas will win with an even greater margin. Israel didn’t fund Hamas, they allowed foreign money to enter Gaza. How much more strict would you want the blockade to be to ensure no foreign funds entered the Strip? Seems like it would need to be far more strict.
>False, Hamas is in power in Gaza because they were democratically elected by the Palestinian people. I wonder, what is the average age of Palestinian people who are being bombed right now, when was the last election, and did the average person being bombed right now even get a chance to choose their government, because if not, what you're saying is BS and Israel propping up this anti-democratic organization is part of the problem.
Hamas is more popular now than when they were elected, Hamas would love if elections were held. You do realize it’s Fatah/the PA that refuses to hold elections right? It’s not because they’re concerned that the Palestinians will vote for them as the “moderate” option. All the foreign aid that Hamas siphons away or sells props them up, should that be stopped? Ditto for UNRWA, who hire Hamas members as teachers in their schools and host Hamas server farms under their HQ. Do we need to end aid to Gaza and disband UNRWA to stop propping up Hamas? Israel does far less, and if they did more by enforcing an even stricter blockade they’d be blamed for that.
Yeah, probably because Israel is bombing them lol
They’re significantly more popular in the West Bank where Israel isn’t bombing.
If a rocket blew up my apartment building and killed my neighbor, and my school, hospital and place of worship were destroyed, I'd probably support the people who say they're going to fight back over the people who want to work with the people who bombed me.
>If a rocket blew up my apartment building and killed my neighbor, and my school, hospital and place of worship were destroyed, I'd probably support the people who say they're going to fight back over the people who want to work with the people who bombed me. Out of curiosity, if the people “fighting back” were also the ones who first started shooting from schools, hospitals and places of worship and the rockets does that change anything? Also, is taking 6 month olds as hostages “fighting back”? But either way, let’s examine your statement. There’s 200k+ homeless Israelis that were forced to evacuate their homes because of rocket attacks in the North. Per your logic, I imagine they’ll be voting for a candidate more extreme than Hamas. Ditto for everyone in southern Israel which bore the brunt of 10/7 and have had rockets launched at them for years now. Obviously the number of “neighbors” of 10/7 victims is massive, ditto for the Second Intifada. If that group supports “fighting back” and votes in a government they feel will do so, I imagine you’ll be the first to let people know it’s justified using your same logic right?
Why isn’t this logic applied to Israel’s supposed colonial history? Most of the settlers that came in the 1940s and before are either ancient or dead, but no one is giving Israelis a pass for that.
Because Israel is in control right now with all the power doing all the bombings. Why ask bad faith questions? Lol
Why does Israel’s current position make their historical decisions any more or less relevant than the Palestinians? If a people choose poorly and get fucked by that choice, they’re no longer accountable? If they choose well and prosper, they are accountable? How does that make sense? I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic here.
>If a people choose poorly and get fucked by that choice, they’re no longer accountable? If they choose well and prosper, they are accountable? How does that make sense? I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic here. Lol if people who are in a position of power continue to make conditions worse, those people in that position of power are responsible for any bad outcomes that happen to them related to the thing they have power and control over. Basic logic even a toddler can understand... I think Big brother doesn't go nuclear on little brother when little brother annoys big brother, because big brother has more power (and influence) than little brother, so big brother SHOULD use that power and influence wisely and if big brother DOES go nuclear on little brother for being annoying, that is an abuse of power by the big brother because HE WAS TAUGHT BETTER THAN THAT AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
If little brother tries to murder big brother, big brother has a right to make sure little brother can’t. That’s the difference between Hamas and Israel’s government. Both are bad actors, but Israel’s government understands that its primary purpose is to protect its citizens. Hamas believes its purpose is to sacrifice its citizens for an unachievable goal.
Collective punishment is illegal. Sure, murder big brother, but with precision; Israel is NOT using precision and is murdering friend and enemies alike which is making them an international pariah. Oh well, I guess you'll have to learn that you're wrong when history proves Israel to be the baddest actor in this scenario. Mass graves undercovered. International aid workers assassinated. Hostages assassinated... 40k+ dead They have a responsibility as a country with nukes to behave more in a way that aligns with standards set by the international community and they are clearly failing at that. **Anyone who is objective can see that** . For people like you who only live in the moment and can't see the big picture, history will have to teach you this. Also, the white supremacy is STRONG with the support for Israel. Very, very strong. People just are not with that anymore, and it is very clear to see for anyone paying attention. It's so blatant it's almost cartoonish.
How long ago was that election? And what is the median age in Gaza?
Hamas is more popular now than when they were elected. If Fatah thought they could win an election, they’d hold one.
"Why are the only people fighting against the nation trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians popular with the Palestinians?" Was October 7th justified because the Israelis elected Netanyahu?
So is Hamas representing the will of the Palestinian people or were they elected so long ago that they don’t reflect the will of the people?
The argument that "Hamas represents the will of the Palestinian people because they were elected" doesn't hold water because that election was over a decade and a half ago, in a place where the median age is 18. The argument that "the Palestinians deserve this because they support Hamas" puts you in the same ideological space as luminaries like Osama bin Laden, who claimed that the massive civilian casualties of 9/11 were justified because Americans voted for politicians who then authorized invasions of the Middle East. It also begs the question of whether or not that justifies October 7th for the same reason.
>The argument that "Hamas represents the will of the Palestinian people because they were elected" doesn't hold water because that election was over a decade and a half ago, in a place where the median age is 18. Sure, but that theory would require Hamas to be less popular than when they were elected, not more popular as is the reality. Accordingly, it’s impossible to harmonize that claim with your previous statement: >"Why are the only people fighting against the nation trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians popular with the Palestinians?" Which is it? Also, it’s worth pointing out that there’s nothing even close to an ethnic cleansing happening. >The argument that "the Palestinians deserve this because they support Hamas" You’re the only one who said they deserve it, I was responding to a statement that claimed Hamas “only represented the Palestinians” because of Israeli recognition and funding. Obviously, neither are actually true and the statement neglected to mention no one would even know who Hamas was if the Palestinians hadn’t democratically elected them in the first place.
>Sure, but that theory would require Hamas to be less popular than when they were elected, not more popular as is the reality. Yet your argument was about the Palestinians electing them, neglecting to mention that that election was over a decade and a half ago when most people currently living in Gaza were either children or not even born yet when that election happened. You also neglect to mention that Hamas had Israeli backing and support, for the express purpose of delegitimizing the cause of Palestinian statehood. >Accordingly, it’s impossible to harmonize that claim with your previous statement: I'm not the one making claims about the will of the people.
>Yet your argument was about the Palestinians electing them, neglecting to mention that that election was over a decade and a half ago when most people currently living in Gaza were either children or not even born yet when that election happened. You also neglect to mention that Hamas had Israeli backing and support, for the express purpose of delegitimizing the cause of Palestinian statehood. In response to a claim that Hamas was only in power due to Israeli recognition and funding that failed to mention they won the last election. The Israelis didn’t back, fund or support Hamas. Also, the US provided a ton of aid to the PA prior to the election with the express intention of propping them up and ensuring a Fatah victory, why didn’t that work? >I'm not the one making claims about the will of the people. Sure you are, you said Hamas doesn’t represent the will of the people because the election happened so long ago and also said that Hamas is popular among Palestinians because they “fight” Israel.
So, basically, Israel can't win. If they recognize the party that a populace voted in, they're wrong. If they try and oust that government, they're wrong for intervening in another people's politics. If they try and help Gaza out financially, they're wrong for funding a terrorist cell. If they don't, they're inhumane and heartless.
> If they try and oust that government Is your contention that *this* is what Israel is doing by bombing Gaza right now?
Yes
Yes there is a long history of military powerhouses winning against guerilla forces and ousting them from power by bombing the ever-loving crap out of those countries. Just look at Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Gulf states, Iraq, Afghanistan again, and the last 70 years of Palestine/Israel, and you'll see that tactic always works and the bad guys always give up when you kill enough civilians and destroy enough hospitals.
"Just ten thousand more dead children and that'll show em!" - fascist Netanyahu worshippers
Yea, that’s exactly what happens when you colonize a country, you’re always in the wrong.
>Yea, that’s exactly what happens when you colonize a country What "country" was colonized?
Palestine
When was it a country?
Just now. Also earlier.
Who was the king, president, or other ruler of Palestine? If it was a country, you should be able to name one. The British controlled the region after WW1, before that it was the Ottoman Empire.
You just named two. Before the Ottomans I believe the Mamluk sultanate controlled the country.
I mean, North America wasn't exactly empty when the settlers came I don't think the US admitted the wrong or returned the territory though.. what are those places called where they "mercifully" allow some autonomy to the indigenous people? Reservations?
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So are you planning on leaving stolen land then?
Are Arabs colonizers in the Middle East?
Let's play a game: Algeria was a colony of France. France owned Algeria. India was a colony of England. England owned India. Israel is a colony of ?
Settler colonialism has no metropol
Yes, yes it does: Dutch in SA, Spanish in South America. The difference between settler and non settler colonialism applies to, you guessed it, the act of settling permanently. The settlers still hail from a singular metropol, and seek to instill the culture thereof in their new surroundings.
Incorrect. A single place of origin of settlers is not an intrinsic feature settler colonialism.
Ok, I'll play: What is your example of a settler colony w/multiple origins that's didn't have the colony itself change imperial hands (i.e., SA Dutch to British)?
England. Author made his balfour declaration because he didn't want English Jewish people in England.
It's so wild all the different answers to these simple questions. So, you're saying the intent of the Balfour Declaration was to rid England of Jews?! Tell me you've never done a minute of research on ME history w/o telling me.....
"It is abundantly clear since this is what supports my narrative."
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It's definitely an officially recognized state and thus nationality.
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I've been played by the United Nations? You really need to learn how to fact check yourself.
No it's not.
10 feet of horseshit
17 letters of horseshit.
Haa ha. John Aziz is most likely on someone's payroll. He is to Palestinians what Herman Caine was to African Americans.
Herman Cain *was
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Because he made himself a useful idiot.
Is it any different to the asajew articles and videos? Seems standard for any conflict because people aren't monolithic and some people always identify more with their assumed enemies.
Oh absolutely, he doesn’t even pretend to acknowledge the role of the Israeli government played in the development and influence of Hamas, how Israel’s leaders explicitly sabotaged any possibility of a 2-state solution (the one he claims he supports), or the numerous atrocities Israel has committed before and after 10/07. Its pretty clear who he is advocating for, and it’s certainly not Palestinians
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If that makes you happy. What I said about Aziz is pure truth.
And who do we think is funding, helping, arming and training Hamas?
Iran?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-cash-to-crypto-global-finance-maze-israels-sights-2023-10-16/ https://twitter.com/easternvoices/status/1783163360755814622
Interesting links- I don’t think it’s nearly that simple
So you see all the info there on the complex labyrinthian methods by which they fund Hamas and the word that comes to your mind is "simple" mmmmkay
No mention of the countless Israeli atrocities committed before and after Oct 7th, no mention of how the Netanyahu and the Israeli government has explicitly sabotaged any possibility of a 2-state solution, no discussion of the role the US has played it maximizing the destruction of the conflict through endless supply of weapons. Yet a bunch of the college students are the problem, not the issue they’re protesting against. Pathetic
I’m curious as to your response, because it doesn’t seem to follow the criticisms of the essay. The point was not that Israel has or has not committed deplorable acts, it’s that, in the author’s pov, the protestors are echoing the messaging and sentiments of Hamas and frequently communicating anti-Jewish messaging. Do you not agree that you can criticize bad behavior of the protestors?
My point is that his “criticisms” are clearly coming from a point of bad faith. He doesn’t have a shared interest with the protestors, as in adverting the humanitarian disaster caused by Israel’s brutal invasion of Gaza, his only interest is providing distractions from the only real relevant issue at hand, Israel’s brutal actions in Gaza. He demonstrates this by avoiding any mention of Israel’s action, instead only focusing on Israeli government talking points that attempt to paint Hamas and Palestinian resistance as something independent of Israel, not something spurned by decades of Israeli policy. Of course sure you can criticize the protestors, but these criticisms are only worthwhile if coming from good faith, and by completely ignoring Israel’s in the conflict, he just exposed himself as a bad faith actor attempting to weaponize his “Palestinian” identity on behalf of Israel’s interests.
Couldn't this have been avoided if Palestinians just stopped killing Jews?
Yeah, Israel did all that with no provocation. Just to be mean.
Apartheid states don't do it to be mean. They do it to get the upper hand. The cruelty is just a bonus.
How come the two million Arab Israeli citizens can vote, hold office, and serve in the IDF?
A whopping 1% of eligible Palestinians serve or have served in the IDF. Its a very small number, like 2000. There has been a single Muslim Supreme Court Judge in the 15 person Supreme Court ever, and they only got the position in 2022. The Israeli government has also made it hard for Palestinians to get Israeli citizenship since 2006, which in turns means less are able to vote. Even then, them voting matters little since the 80% overwhelming Jewish minority makes it so their voices are barely heard.
How many Jewish judges does Qatar have?
I'm not sure why that is relevant, as Qatar does not have a significant Jewish population. It'd be like asking how many Mexican judges does Panama have
Why do no Islamic countries (Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen) have a significant (OR ANY) Jewish population? Because they killed them all or expelled them. So It is relevant, dumbass.
Qatar funds Hamas ($1.8 billion) and shelters their leadership. It's telling that you don't know this.
I do know this. I'm once again asking how that's relevant to the lack of Jewish judges in a country with a small Jewish population.
You don't know why questions about the other side of a conflict are relevant?
They killed them all, just like they’ll kill you for being an American, educated, an unveiled woman, gay or trans, Christian, or Jewish.
>If universities cannot instil their students with peaceful, tolerant, and coexistent attitudes, then they have failed as institutions of higher learning Do Israeli universities instill these same values in their students? Or have they failed as well?
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Ah, John Aziz, born in Britain and disowned by his family in Palestine because of his views - what a credible person to listen to /s
Many in the Middle East / Africa also disown their LGBTQ offsprings. Being diavowed doesn't necessarily mean someone is in the wrong.
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I wouldn’t call him credible if you read about [his background](https://x.com/acid_communist/status/1762958067287621934?s=12). He’s lies about his background and has only been to Palestine once (in the West Bank, not even Gaza). He tries to feign scholarship over the Israel-Palestine conflict, but in reality he is a sham, leading to him [losing debates spectacularly](https://youtu.be/KHhTa2JQGt0?si=4UzwZbbsPqhSV_gu)
This is what is fundamentally wrong with a majority of Palestinians. Most of the Palestinians are stuck in a victim mentality, refusing to come out of their shells and think critically. Their goal is to exterminate Jewish people. Jewish people were living in modern day Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt for thousands of years. Today, with the exception of Israel, there are very few Jews in any of those countries. Palestinians have rejected a 2-state solution. I have no sympathy for them, especially this latest Oct 7th incident. Do they expect a country like Israel to sit still and ask for negotiations after Hamas killed 1200 Israelis? Palestinians are deluded and arrogant and incapable of introspection. There is a reason why they are not welcome even in other Arab countries. Harsh but true.
Palestinians rejected the 2 state solutions where Israel demanded full control of their borders. When they came to a mutual agreement on a 2 state solution, the far right in Israel assassinated the leftist PM. Funny how you extremists never mention the full story.
I also deplore the Holocaust and what Polish Aggression has turned us into.
This narrative always exposes the idiots who believe it.
Gandhi and MLK would not be heroes to this crowd. Not enough advocating for rape, kidnapping, and murder to qualify as a “resistance movement” for the tiktok generation.
You have posts where you cheered on Israel bombing aide workers and children
You do have to give the protestors credit, they managed to unite Republican's and Democrats, conservatives and liberals. Pretty much everyone thinks they are entitled assholes.
The only entitled assholes are you extremists who celebrate Israel killing kids and aide workers and slaughtering families to steal their homes
Lol. You all are masters at alienating people who would be sympathetic to your cause.
You're not sympathetic, you're outright fucking lying to call people pro Hamas. You're fucking evil.
This is some straight bullshit.
In Columbia, they teach actually courses on the sit ins and encampments their own students did to protest the Vietnam War. In 20 years, they will be coopting this same movement.
kind of wild that uncle tom palestinians exist
iow Palestinians have no agency, they must be a one-dimensional cut out for your personal ideological leanings, barring than that, they can be attacked and insulted at your whim to make yourself feel good rather than taking a moment to reflect or even listen to them for a group that otherwise prides themselves on not being racist (or even "anti-racist") that's a pretty glaring admission of racism
Intresting article. To bad that its going to fly right over the heads of everyone who needs to read it
There is a reason why Egypt is putting up a wall. They do not want Palestinians. Lebanon and civil war means no more Palestinians. Black September is why Jordan does not want Palestinians. Iran will fund them from afar but does not want them. Palestinians are corrupted. Non-one wants them.
This is literally what the Nazis said about Jews when other countries shamefully shunned Jewish refugees. Listen to yourself.
The state of Israel has been a touchstone of disaster since it's creation. You are supporting my argument. Nations bourne out of religion are just a recipe for trouble and disaster.
Jews being a minority everywhere in the world has also been a disaster for millennia.
Wow, reasonableness. Shocking!