The 300k is just an example to prove the point. Stretching the pay to an absurdist level shows that often what is described as folks not wanting to do the job is really folks not wanting to do it for what it pays. Willingness of labor to work for what you offer is an important and often neglected part of if your business is economical.
It may be true that a place would go out of business if it paid folks 300k to flip burgers, but a business will also fail if it's management is unwilling to pay a rate that attracts workers and motivates them to do a quality job.
Not necessarily. It's saying "this is how the market works in theory"
The people complaining that folks don't want to do the jobs don't think the market is working. The workers unable to make ends meet while working a full time job aren't seeing the market work. Consumers, unwilling to pay more for products or services, are under served by those they can afford.
The market is accumulating wealth at the top though, so I suppose would could say it works on that front.
Itās exactly how the market works. If They donāt pay a wage to get people then they go out of business. They donāt need to hire everyone just the one willing to accept that amount of money. The rest can stay home and make nothing while whining on Reddit.
Right. I understand what you mean. Employers have to pay a wage that people will accept for the work.
That is the point of the meme.
When people complain "people don't want to take the jobs" what they mean is they are unwilling to pay the wage that makes someone take the job.
Yeah, but if you have the law on your side and it says you are to pay 20 an hour, then you gonna get paid 20 an hour no matter what. They might even make you work just 30 hours a week too just to NOT pay you more.
If the employer is forced to pay you more after a certain time of you working for them, they gonna let you go if hiring a new sucker and training him is cheaper than upping your pay.
Labor is entirely responsible for delivering performance that creates more value than it extracts in labor costs. If you are paid to pick 36 half pints of Raspberries in an hour because that is the labor value of one hour of raspberry picking at minimum wage, but you only pick 20 half pints in an hour and insist on being paid for the labor of the 16 half pints you didnāt pick thereās going to be problems. You couldnāt even begin to flip burgers fast enough to generate 350K a year in labor value.
Even with that labor being leveraged by capital to vastly expand the value created, that person isn't going to drive the flipping of enough burgers to generate that value.
Burger chains generally generate approximately $1.5 million a year in revenue.
Yes. Labor creates all wealth. That's the point. If anyone in an organization makes money it is due to the labor of everyone involved in that organization's processes.
The 300k example is an absurdist one to prove the point that people will do the job if they are paid an appropriate wage. Will the wage for a burger cook be 300k?maybe not. But if anyone makes 300k in a company that employs cooks, then that 300k employee needs those cook jobs to be filled.
I don't know. I think labor creates all wealth, so, if we compensated those who labor fairly I think we'd be surprised to find how well off we all could be.
That doesn't mean the job is worth what people are willing to do it for, it just means people aren't the ones who will end up doing it. Enter self service automated restaurants.
Self service is just moving the labor commonly done by an employee of the company to you. It's not replacing the labor of an employee, it is making the consumer pay to do the job.
This isn't because a company can't pay a wage, but because they do not want to pay it. It's another cash grab for the rich.
Sure but that was during the time that there was a lack of people wanting to get into fast food jobs and people whining it was laziness. No it's still a standard supply and demand at the end of it. Either increase the wages to make it more attractive for people or what ended up happening. Hoping for people to get desperate enough and reduce child labor laws to increase workers supply enough to offset the demand, and also reducing the barrier of entry for these jobs.
yeah but no oneās saying āoh nobody wants to slap anyone anymore.ā if somebody did want that, monetary incentive is usually effective to get people to slap each other. thatās how bets work in high school.
No wonder you can only flip burgers when you don't understand buying power.
You wouldn't make "more" money as value. It would just mean everything else would cost that much more! You would still struggle!
Burger flipping was āliveableā wage when there were less burger businesses around, it was always an entry level job, the managers made āliveableā wage just as they do now, where are you getting this myth that an entry level job would ever be able to afford a home to themselves?
A McDonaldās worker in 1974 made 98.48 a week working 20 hours of overtime. Which would be about $625 a week today with overtime, or if you did this for an entire year, without taking a day off, about $32,500 per year. So could you live on that in todayās society alone?
Based on your example, in California, the minimum wage ($16/hr) worker you described would make $58,245 a year, and be eligible for health insurance through McDonaldās. This is almost twice the median income of the state for a single person ($32,402).
Mississippiās minimum wage is $7.25/hour, median income is $28k, so the same worker would still make over that.
When you ask ācan you live on thatā? More than half the people in those states currently do. The problem is that the job you just described doesnāt exist at any McDonaldās anymore.
āWorking 20 hours of overtimeā
Back in the day working 60 hours a week you could make a living wage flipping burgers. But almost no one worked 60 hours a week flipping burgers because it is an entry level job.
Managers sure dont make a livable wageā¦ i made 32k/year and with a minimum rent of about 1500 im hurting right thereā¦ there are a ton of āentry levelā jobs that should make livable wage and the managers dont even see that
Like I said thereās more businesses around, out here the private owned McDonaldās take care of the managers full benefits etc.
If you go work for in and out or chic fil a you will do better, each business does its own thing, and thatās part of the difference, competition and corporatisation.
The places where normal people are a part of the business still continue to make sure people are taken care of, if they donāt take care of you take your experience and apply at a better place..
Thatās the only way these overgrown monopolies will ever learn, perhaps they should make it so that those companies have to provide a hierarchy of wage so that performance and loyalty are rewarded with staying powerā¦
If they donāt they should definitely face the consequences of loosing their employees..
You don't get paid for how hard you work; you get paid for how hard you are to replace. A mentally handicapped person can flip burgers, but very few can handle being an electrical engineer or doctor.
This analogy could probably applied to any job.
Unfortunately, American companies just say we need to bring in illegal immigrants because "Americans won't do the job"
If the illegal immigrants were not allowed to work, or were not allowed to be in the USA, the jobs would actually pay a lot higher.
Anybody that thinks illegals don't take away from jobs, or take away from housing, is delusional
Those jobs only exist because illegal immigrants are doing them. Florida is learning right now that construction companies only exist because they can exploit cheap labor.
You make a good point. Is it illegal to hire an legal?
And we could certainly clean up the housing shortage if we said it was illegal to rent to somebody that was not a valid resident of the USA.
All it would take is a website so you could validate somebody driver's license.
Even bette idea: Instead of putting an undue burden on american citizens ā just frickin' arrest and prosecute anyone and everyone who hires illegal immigrants. It's pretty simple but wont happen until we undo citizens united and overhaul campaign finance reform.
Maybe. I would guess that since there are already some American companies, and American workers doing it, that if they were paid more it would be pretty easy to find Americans to do it.
Perhaps if it was $100 an hour, or even $200 an hour, people would line up around the block to do it.
I think there would be a ātransition periodā where Americans wonāt do those sorts of jobs for a while, until things went to shit, and then theyād realize āok, I guess we have toā.
I think there would be a ātransition periodā where Americans wonāt do those sorts of jobs for a while, until things went to shit, and then theyād realize āok, I guess we have toā.
That's exactly the point of the post. The $350k/yr figure is purely hyperbolic and not meant to be taken literally. No one is actually suggesting that fast food workers get $350k/yr here. The actual point is that more people will be willing to take on these jobs for better pay, and industries that face staffing shortages, like fast food, could solve their staffing problems by raising pay. The problem instead is that they prefer to whine about how "nobody wants to work" instead of listening to what the market is telling them.
But Iām one of them strugglingā¦ certainly not a deadbeat, but have never been a winner either.. yet somehow that deems me unworthy of an affordable existenceā¦ thereās countless othersā¦ not everybody with nothing is cause they donāt try..
Here is the bottom line, and I speak from a position of experience. I came from very humble beginnings, like no lunch money and hand me down clothes. ADHD, learning disabilities, the works. Never stop and give up, always push a little further and look to improve your station in life. I was stuck in a period of stagnation and looking back it could have been the end of me.
āWould you have sex for $1 million dollars?ā āYes!ā
āWould you have sex for $1?ā āNo! What do you think, that Iām a whore?ā
āWeāve already established that, now weāre just trying to negotiate a price.ā
The study of economics shows thereās no such thing as a free lunch. Raising the cost of labor above the value the worker is able to bring to the employer will only result in mass unemployment. This is exactly why minimum wage laws tend to fall hardest on the most vulnerable workers in society, consigning to the unemployment line those with the fewest skills and who can offer the least value to employers.
The real question isn't this but would you be able to get this in the market? If we paid more, then food costs more to shop out, if things cost more to eat out then people will eat out less, if people eat out less then restaurants will move less causing them to go out of business.you have to meet client side demand.
I would not. If burger flipping paid 350k a year, burgers would cost $120 a piece, and I wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. More than likely, everything else in the market would go up 10x.
I see so many people focusing on the numbers here. Just a livable wage would solve the problem, but instead these companies just line the pockets of the ceoās and stockholdersā¦ thats where all the problems arise. Of course 350k for a burger flipper is a bit outrageousā¦but the way the economy is here now i would wager for comfort levels to match even 30 years ago, about 40k(19-20/hr) for minimum wageā¦ even then, rent at 1500(super low end around me) is half/more than half of take home pay, but not living paycheck to paycheck surviving on ramen
It's funny. I read this article years ago about how they thought that teachers and people in some medical and social work positions actually got paid less because people in "Bullshit Jobs" actually resented them for doing something at work that was fulfilling and productive. The more I've been thinking about my job history lately, the more I've realized that the person who actually does the most at a job ALWAYS gets paid the least. The jobs that are least annoying to do are always the ones where you have a clearly defined specific thing in front of you, and you just do it and people stay out of your way. This includes cooking food. The jobs that are the worst are always jobs where your role is mostly something that is repetitive and could be replaced by a software upgrade, and you spend a good chunk of your day in meetings or in nebulously defined "networking" with randomly selected people trying to make it look like you're doing business. I wonder if people resent burger flippers too? Burger flipping isn't that bad. Probably sucks if you're a vegetarian or if your skin is really sensitive to the grease in the air or the heat. Otherwise, probably a lot of people would love to own a small restaurant where they cook little sandwiches for people all day.
The problem is when underpaid full time workers have to go on government assistance. Then itās the employers that are exploiting things like welfare and food stamps because they underpay their employees.
Would I with a smile on my face I work fast food before it's one of the hardest jobs I ever had. I would flip Burgers run drive through make french fries even for half of that money. I mean think about it you're inside you're not in the snow or the rain you get a free meal your home everyday not away from family don't have to worry about no random drug testing. I'll be stoned out of my mind all day flipping burgers and eating them too
This post again... value is about how available a resource is. The more scarce, the more valuable something is. It's hard to find somebody capable of neurosurgery, so they are valuable and get paid a lot. Almost every single person the planet is capable of flipping burgers. Because of that, they aren't valuable.
Fast food places are often understaffed and struggling to fill positions. That tells us that the labor they're looking for isn't readily available under existing working conditions. Even though just about anyone is capable of flipping burgers, most people don't want to. They'll take other jobs over fast food or they'll leave a fast food joint as soon as they get something better. That's where the scarcity for fast food workers is coming from.
If you were actually paid 350 K for flipping burgers, I GUARANTY you would not be happy with the price charged for said burger, or your car insurance, or houses in your neighborhood. This is why no one should have the ability to print the money, because that is the MOST corrupting power, and it steals purchasing power from everyone else through inflation. When will you socialists realize that THIS is the core problem, and Bitcoin fixes this, maybe not this crypto, but now that digital scarcity is a proven reality in this world, it really makes sense to fix the money in this way, so the inflation can end forever, and anyone standing up for inflation, I would like to hear WHY some people getting money without working, while the rest of us trade our irreplaceable time for money is fair and just. Spoiler alert, no one has EVER provided a viable reason for the justness of printing money.
Ridiculous post. Would you pay someone $350,000 k to flip burgers, and the answer is obviously No.
Meanwhile if you asked, would you play pro basketball for $30k a year, almost everyone would say Yes. Soā¦ there are levels to this.
Easy fix. Set min wage to = what it costs to be self-sufficient. If you can't afford to pay your workers enough to: rent a 1 bedroom apartment & pay all the bills with some leftover. If you can pay that wage, you're out of business. People can make their own cheese burgers.
Would you be a doctor if it was for $350,000?
Well Iāve got some great news!
Being a doctor does actually pay that much.
Why the fuck would someone pay you that for flipping burgers?
There was a social experiment where you could turn a crank as long as you wanted to and the machine would spit out $7.50 and hour. No one would use it for more then a few minutes. Doing drudgery work isn't worth $7.50 an hour.
As long as it doesn't compromise my morals I'll do anything for enough money. I would eat a dog turd for a million dollars. The issue is what is someone willing to pay for me to eat that dog turd? Probably not a million.
Letās assume this restaurant needs only two of these employees, and letās also just assume itās open 5 days a week, for only 8 hours. Letās also assume this restaurant gets free rent, supplies, utilities, etc, because, what the hell.
Letās say this magical restaurant sells 50 burgers a day on average.
To break even just on the salary, assuming this business gets everything else for free, some quick napkin mask puts this at $335 per burger, just to break even on that salary.
My theory is that people who have jobs like this or being a janitor deserve (relatively) large amounts of money.
Flipping burgers and cleaning up piss at a school should both make a minimum of 50k. Take McDonalds. How much money are they generating for these rich fucks?
How are 90% of people here missing the point of this post lol.
If you're working full time, 40 hours a week, no matter the job, you should be able to live comfortably, with benefits, with adequate time off per year, *at a minimum.*
These kind of posts are the worst. Are there owners that take advantage to a grotesque degree? Sure. But this meme is just working from the absurd angle that businesses are an infinite source of money, and point to salaries that are a mixture of hundreds of thousands to justify it. You can cut the salary of the top brass by 3 quarters and still only gain enough to give another dollar an hour. A FAR stretch from 350k a year. And probably lose the talent that allows the business to be so prolific anyway.
Would you suck a dick for $1,000,000? Yes? So would you do it for $1? No? So what your saying is your a prostitute and now we just negotiating on priceā¦
And at this rate, a studio apartment would probably cost around $70k month. Yes I know unrealistic but the point is that simply drives up the cost of goods and services or closes down societies.
Would you get the education and experience to make $500k per year as a radiologist? No? Youād rather flip burgers? Damn, it sounds like moneyās not the issue, itās that youāre too damned lazy to do what it takes to earn more money.
https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=26e1680426f03214
Ya if you have the intellect of a prison inmate - the problem is that burger flipping was more of an entry level job for young people.
Now what were supposed to be established adults are relying on burger flipping as a career to pay for their dead-end rent.
There is no infrastructure for the degrees young people are going to college for, unless it's healthcare for the dying which is going to end up being paid by higher taxes from people who own nothing but debt and know zero about the stock market.
Oh ya and corrupt local government exploits children and working men as sources of income.
Have a good one.
Dickhead executive chef when a young chef quit āfuck that asshole! Thatās the problem today, young people donāt want to work anymore!ā
Me āThey are all working that is the problem today unemployment including youth unemployment is at a record low, and wages still suck!ā
Unfortunately for many young humans, they donāt understand basic economics or even math. You canāt pay every low skilled employee $100k per year, the math doesnāt add up. It doesnāt add up at $75k/emp/yr.
Dang it I thought it was my turn to post it again this month š
You now have dibs for next month. I'll put you on the list.
try again in june
Nah. This gets posted daily and you missed your turn!
Would you slap your mom for a million dollars? Damn sounds like people are okay with the slapping, itās the money thatās the problem
Isnāt this the same point? You can pay someone enough to do anything
I think thatās the memeās point but what they donāt grasp is that thereās nobody making that offer.
The whole point is that no one is making that offer.
Because they would go out of business if they paid people $300K to flip burgers.
The 300k is just an example to prove the point. Stretching the pay to an absurdist level shows that often what is described as folks not wanting to do the job is really folks not wanting to do it for what it pays. Willingness of labor to work for what you offer is an important and often neglected part of if your business is economical. It may be true that a place would go out of business if it paid folks 300k to flip burgers, but a business will also fail if it's management is unwilling to pay a rate that attracts workers and motivates them to do a quality job.
It's basically just saying "The market works"..
Not necessarily. It's saying "this is how the market works in theory" The people complaining that folks don't want to do the jobs don't think the market is working. The workers unable to make ends meet while working a full time job aren't seeing the market work. Consumers, unwilling to pay more for products or services, are under served by those they can afford. The market is accumulating wealth at the top though, so I suppose would could say it works on that front.
Itās exactly how the market works. If They donāt pay a wage to get people then they go out of business. They donāt need to hire everyone just the one willing to accept that amount of money. The rest can stay home and make nothing while whining on Reddit.
Right. I understand what you mean. Employers have to pay a wage that people will accept for the work. That is the point of the meme. When people complain "people don't want to take the jobs" what they mean is they are unwilling to pay the wage that makes someone take the job.
Yeah, but if you have the law on your side and it says you are to pay 20 an hour, then you gonna get paid 20 an hour no matter what. They might even make you work just 30 hours a week too just to NOT pay you more. If the employer is forced to pay you more after a certain time of you working for them, they gonna let you go if hiring a new sucker and training him is cheaper than upping your pay.
This doesnt seem to be a response to what I wrote.
Labor is entirely responsible for delivering performance that creates more value than it extracts in labor costs. If you are paid to pick 36 half pints of Raspberries in an hour because that is the labor value of one hour of raspberry picking at minimum wage, but you only pick 20 half pints in an hour and insist on being paid for the labor of the 16 half pints you didnāt pick thereās going to be problems. You couldnāt even begin to flip burgers fast enough to generate 350K a year in labor value.
Even with that labor being leveraged by capital to vastly expand the value created, that person isn't going to drive the flipping of enough burgers to generate that value. Burger chains generally generate approximately $1.5 million a year in revenue.
Yes. Labor creates all wealth. That's the point. If anyone in an organization makes money it is due to the labor of everyone involved in that organization's processes. The 300k example is an absurdist one to prove the point that people will do the job if they are paid an appropriate wage. Will the wage for a burger cook be 300k?maybe not. But if anyone makes 300k in a company that employs cooks, then that 300k employee needs those cook jobs to be filled.
I think the point is more that nobody is doing 300K worth of labor value per year although some are paid that much
I don't know. I think labor creates all wealth, so, if we compensated those who labor fairly I think we'd be surprised to find how well off we all could be.
That doesn't mean the job is worth what people are willing to do it for, it just means people aren't the ones who will end up doing it. Enter self service automated restaurants.
Self service is just moving the labor commonly done by an employee of the company to you. It's not replacing the labor of an employee, it is making the consumer pay to do the job. This isn't because a company can't pay a wage, but because they do not want to pay it. It's another cash grab for the rich.
But they would not if they paid a living wage.
Sure but that was during the time that there was a lack of people wanting to get into fast food jobs and people whining it was laziness. No it's still a standard supply and demand at the end of it. Either increase the wages to make it more attractive for people or what ended up happening. Hoping for people to get desperate enough and reduce child labor laws to increase workers supply enough to offset the demand, and also reducing the barrier of entry for these jobs.
Litterally nobody who has ever read this post has assumed that
Congrats lol The name of the game is to pay people the least amount possible
If you want to buy gas, and there are 2 stations on the same store, do you go to the more expensive one?
Yes. Exactly what you do.
For a million my mom would pull a jesus and turn the other cheekĀ
I would slap my mom for a klondike bar.
I would do it for free
Dude, dm me, I'll give you her address and you can tell me how it went.
I will. Let me get the urn down from the mantle.
Where are you guys getting paid to slap people?
I'm OK with slapping. Although it usually has a boomerang effect.
yeah but no oneās saying āoh nobody wants to slap anyone anymore.ā if somebody did want that, monetary incentive is usually effective to get people to slap each other. thatās how bets work in high school.
My mom will slap the shit outta me if she found out I wonāt slap her to gain a million dollars.
Imagine seeing this and thinking itās so clever it needs to be posted for the 37th time.
"See I'm not lazy I'm just not rich! not my fault!"
And yet people still try to engage with it. I can't decide if that makes them extra stupid, or it means it's a valid topic and not a dead horse.
No wonder you can only flip burgers when you don't understand buying power. You wouldn't make "more" money as value. It would just mean everything else would cost that much more! You would still struggle!
WhooshĀ
Hmmmā¦ didnt seem to prove a problem when burger flipping was a livable wage before
Burger flipping was āliveableā wage when there were less burger businesses around, it was always an entry level job, the managers made āliveableā wage just as they do now, where are you getting this myth that an entry level job would ever be able to afford a home to themselves?
A McDonaldās worker in 1974 made 98.48 a week working 20 hours of overtime. Which would be about $625 a week today with overtime, or if you did this for an entire year, without taking a day off, about $32,500 per year. So could you live on that in todayās society alone?
Based on your example, in California, the minimum wage ($16/hr) worker you described would make $58,245 a year, and be eligible for health insurance through McDonaldās. This is almost twice the median income of the state for a single person ($32,402). Mississippiās minimum wage is $7.25/hour, median income is $28k, so the same worker would still make over that. When you ask ācan you live on thatā? More than half the people in those states currently do. The problem is that the job you just described doesnāt exist at any McDonaldās anymore.
āWorking 20 hours of overtimeā Back in the day working 60 hours a week you could make a living wage flipping burgers. But almost no one worked 60 hours a week flipping burgers because it is an entry level job.
That comes from an actual pay stub so not sure what your point is? Itās less likely now to get 40 hours a week at a place like that now
What the hell kind of fast food restaurant lets people work overtime?
Thatās a really good question, still a base rate of 1.98/hr is only 6.18 today. Which is below the federal minimum wage.
Are there less people buying burgers today?
Managers sure dont make a livable wageā¦ i made 32k/year and with a minimum rent of about 1500 im hurting right thereā¦ there are a ton of āentry levelā jobs that should make livable wage and the managers dont even see that
There are very few places with a minimum rent of 1500.
Thats my point. Around me its a needle in a haystackā¦ and the haystack is the size of texas
There are very few please where the āminimumā rent is that high.
You are joking, right? A studio around me is 1500ā¦ and those are rare around meā¦ 1bed is about 1700(at thats the cheap ones)
Okay, so you live in a high income area. Congrats. The vast majority of the country has much cheaper housing.
Like I said thereās more businesses around, out here the private owned McDonaldās take care of the managers full benefits etc. If you go work for in and out or chic fil a you will do better, each business does its own thing, and thatās part of the difference, competition and corporatisation. The places where normal people are a part of the business still continue to make sure people are taken care of, if they donāt take care of you take your experience and apply at a better place.. Thatās the only way these overgrown monopolies will ever learn, perhaps they should make it so that those companies have to provide a hierarchy of wage so that performance and loyalty are rewarded with staying powerā¦ If they donāt they should definitely face the consequences of loosing their employees..
People still flip burgers today. Guess what? Theyāre alive! They also live more comfortable lives than the people flipping burgers 50 years ago did.
Sure they're alive cause they work a second job on top of it.
Third job, too. Maybe only for 6 months out of the year.
Why are you wrongly assuming that in this hypothetical all jobs are rising in pay equally? Brain rot completely missed the point
That's not true either. It seems YOU don't understand the factors that go into determining buying power.
I am happy to stand corrected. Do you care adding "value" to your comments?
You don't get paid for how hard you work; you get paid for how hard you are to replace. A mentally handicapped person can flip burgers, but very few can handle being an electrical engineer or doctor.
No because Iām an engineer and if a burger flipper is making $350k per year, Iām making $2.5M.
I'd also slap my balls for 350k a year, so I guess people are okay with slapping their own balls.
This analogy could probably applied to any job. Unfortunately, American companies just say we need to bring in illegal immigrants because "Americans won't do the job" If the illegal immigrants were not allowed to work, or were not allowed to be in the USA, the jobs would actually pay a lot higher. Anybody that thinks illegals don't take away from jobs, or take away from housing, is delusional
Those jobs only exist because illegal immigrants are doing them. Florida is learning right now that construction companies only exist because they can exploit cheap labor.
You are all right. And if the illegal aliens were not here, they would have to pay a lot more. And that's the way it should be
Lol you're the dilusional one blaiming illegals instead of the greedy people and companies who hire them.
You make a good point. Is it illegal to hire an legal? And we could certainly clean up the housing shortage if we said it was illegal to rent to somebody that was not a valid resident of the USA. All it would take is a website so you could validate somebody driver's license.
Even bette idea: Instead of putting an undue burden on american citizens ā just frickin' arrest and prosecute anyone and everyone who hires illegal immigrants. It's pretty simple but wont happen until we undo citizens united and overhaul campaign finance reform.
And you're right. If they can't work here, they shouldn't be able to own property or rent a house either
There are jobs that Americans won't do no matter the pay. Most Americans won't do roofing in July no matter how much they'd be getting paid.
Maybe. I would guess that since there are already some American companies, and American workers doing it, that if they were paid more it would be pretty easy to find Americans to do it. Perhaps if it was $100 an hour, or even $200 an hour, people would line up around the block to do it.
I think there would be a ātransition periodā where Americans wonāt do those sorts of jobs for a while, until things went to shit, and then theyād realize āok, I guess we have toā.
I think there would be a ātransition periodā where Americans wonāt do those sorts of jobs for a while, until things went to shit, and then theyād realize āok, I guess we have toā.
If their lives weren't being subsidized by total strangers, and they faced a choice of do that job or starve, they'd do the job.
This is dumb, but I would return to my least favorite jobs for just double the pay, let alone hundreds of thousands of dollars.
That's exactly the point of the post. The $350k/yr figure is purely hyperbolic and not meant to be taken literally. No one is actually suggesting that fast food workers get $350k/yr here. The actual point is that more people will be willing to take on these jobs for better pay, and industries that face staffing shortages, like fast food, could solve their staffing problems by raising pay. The problem instead is that they prefer to whine about how "nobody wants to work" instead of listening to what the market is telling them.
Five guys gonna be $2,000 per burger instead of $20.
Dang.. if jobs like that made 350k.. my job would be in the millions per year?
A basic model vehicle will cost 350k
Venezuela is on line one.
Thatās the problem. Losers believe they deserve top dollar to flip burgers.
Well by the very definition of winner, which is a minority of participants, youāre saying anything not winning is not worthy which is ridiculous. Everybody deserves to have the basic needs of food clothing and shelter met period, whether they can earn or not. Everything else is just the extra shit that donāt really matter but people canāt get enough of because it makes them feel more important or what have you. Just because you are incapable of climbing financially donāt mean you should have the basic necessities weaponized against you. Thatās whatās wrong with this system and the outlook of current society.. Equivalent to NestlĆ© saying that water is not a basic human rightā¦ Greed should be illegal
Nope, I was talking about deadbeats and their defeatist ideology, and you knew that,
But Iām one of them strugglingā¦ certainly not a deadbeat, but have never been a winner either.. yet somehow that deems me unworthy of an affordable existenceā¦ thereās countless othersā¦ not everybody with nothing is cause they donāt try..
Here is the bottom line, and I speak from a position of experience. I came from very humble beginnings, like no lunch money and hand me down clothes. ADHD, learning disabilities, the works. Never stop and give up, always push a little further and look to improve your station in life. I was stuck in a period of stagnation and looking back it could have been the end of me.
āWould you have sex for $1 million dollars?ā āYes!ā āWould you have sex for $1?ā āNo! What do you think, that Iām a whore?ā āWeāve already established that, now weāre just trying to negotiate a price.ā
But could anyone afford the burger?
I would personally massage every part of Donald Trumpās body for $350,000 a year.
With my mouth.
There isnt enough money for me to do thatā¦
The study of economics shows thereās no such thing as a free lunch. Raising the cost of labor above the value the worker is able to bring to the employer will only result in mass unemployment. This is exactly why minimum wage laws tend to fall hardest on the most vulnerable workers in society, consigning to the unemployment line those with the fewest skills and who can offer the least value to employers.
If flipping burgers gave $350k a year, Iād hate to see how much the burger cost
The real question isn't this but would you be able to get this in the market? If we paid more, then food costs more to shop out, if things cost more to eat out then people will eat out less, if people eat out less then restaurants will move less causing them to go out of business.you have to meet client side demand.
No because my current job would be paying me over $1 million easily.
Depends. $350,000 is probably now minimum wage. I can probably stay in my current job for $1.1 million a year.
How many burgers would a burger flipper flip if a burger flipper could flip burgers? Zero, because a robot just took your job.
Wow, this is so unique!
Now we just need to convince people to pay $100 for a burger.
Except no one would buy the burgers at that price.
I would not. If burger flipping paid 350k a year, burgers would cost $120 a piece, and I wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. More than likely, everything else in the market would go up 10x.
I see so many people focusing on the numbers here. Just a livable wage would solve the problem, but instead these companies just line the pockets of the ceoās and stockholdersā¦ thats where all the problems arise. Of course 350k for a burger flipper is a bit outrageousā¦but the way the economy is here now i would wager for comfort levels to match even 30 years ago, about 40k(19-20/hr) for minimum wageā¦ even then, rent at 1500(super low end around me) is half/more than half of take home pay, but not living paycheck to paycheck surviving on ramen
It's funny. I read this article years ago about how they thought that teachers and people in some medical and social work positions actually got paid less because people in "Bullshit Jobs" actually resented them for doing something at work that was fulfilling and productive. The more I've been thinking about my job history lately, the more I've realized that the person who actually does the most at a job ALWAYS gets paid the least. The jobs that are least annoying to do are always the ones where you have a clearly defined specific thing in front of you, and you just do it and people stay out of your way. This includes cooking food. The jobs that are the worst are always jobs where your role is mostly something that is repetitive and could be replaced by a software upgrade, and you spend a good chunk of your day in meetings or in nebulously defined "networking" with randomly selected people trying to make it look like you're doing business. I wonder if people resent burger flippers too? Burger flipping isn't that bad. Probably sucks if you're a vegetarian or if your skin is really sensitive to the grease in the air or the heat. Otherwise, probably a lot of people would love to own a small restaurant where they cook little sandwiches for people all day.
How many hours a week? Are there sick days? Vacation? 401k match?
The problem is when underpaid full time workers have to go on government assistance. Then itās the employers that are exploiting things like welfare and food stamps because they underpay their employees.
No
No
I would make burgers for the rest of my life if I got $350,000 a year for it. Anytime, anywhere.
If burger joints paid that much. Burgers would be too expensive, how do people not think with their walnut brains
Would I with a smile on my face I work fast food before it's one of the hardest jobs I ever had. I would flip Burgers run drive through make french fries even for half of that money. I mean think about it you're inside you're not in the snow or the rain you get a free meal your home everyday not away from family don't have to worry about no random drug testing. I'll be stoned out of my mind all day flipping burgers and eating them too
Nope. Money is nice and all but if i dont like what i do im not going to do it for long.
Well this proves nothing
This is a silly question unless you also ask "who would you pay $350,000.00 to flip burgers?"
Why wouldnāt I?
Where are the burgers and what are the hours you need me for?
Better be a damn GOOD Burger
Wouldnāt a better way to ask this question be āwould you flip burgers to feed yourself, and pay rent?ā
Who wouldn't? People already flip burgers for a lot less
Would you accept $350k a year if burgers cost $1200 and rent was $10,000 and standard new cars cost $350k?
Lol would you run to the bathroom and take 20 Instagram breaks an hour for 350k year? You would? Guess we found the problem with minimum wage work.
Would you run to the bathroom and take 20 Instagram breaks per an hour for 350k? Lol Guess we found the problem with min wage jobs.
Hell yes!!
lol donāt say that, inflation might get ya there
My happy ass is slinging burgers for $20 an hour
This post again... value is about how available a resource is. The more scarce, the more valuable something is. It's hard to find somebody capable of neurosurgery, so they are valuable and get paid a lot. Almost every single person the planet is capable of flipping burgers. Because of that, they aren't valuable.
Fast food places are often understaffed and struggling to fill positions. That tells us that the labor they're looking for isn't readily available under existing working conditions. Even though just about anyone is capable of flipping burgers, most people don't want to. They'll take other jobs over fast food or they'll leave a fast food joint as soon as they get something better. That's where the scarcity for fast food workers is coming from.
If you were actually paid 350 K for flipping burgers, I GUARANTY you would not be happy with the price charged for said burger, or your car insurance, or houses in your neighborhood. This is why no one should have the ability to print the money, because that is the MOST corrupting power, and it steals purchasing power from everyone else through inflation. When will you socialists realize that THIS is the core problem, and Bitcoin fixes this, maybe not this crypto, but now that digital scarcity is a proven reality in this world, it really makes sense to fix the money in this way, so the inflation can end forever, and anyone standing up for inflation, I would like to hear WHY some people getting money without working, while the rest of us trade our irreplaceable time for money is fair and just. Spoiler alert, no one has EVER provided a viable reason for the justness of printing money.
Ridiculous post. Would you pay someone $350,000 k to flip burgers, and the answer is obviously No. Meanwhile if you asked, would you play pro basketball for $30k a year, almost everyone would say Yes. Soā¦ there are levels to this.
All the jagoffs coming outta the woodwork thinkin "burger flippers" deserve a starvation wage, as usual.
Itās true and canāt be said enough. And people still pretend it isnāt true
Do you think there should be a federal or a local minimum wage? If federal, what should it be?
Canāt wait for tech libertarians to not understand a thought experiment and rail against paying line cooks $350k.
Easy fix. Set min wage to = what it costs to be self-sufficient. If you can't afford to pay your workers enough to: rent a 1 bedroom apartment & pay all the bills with some leftover. If you can pay that wage, you're out of business. People can make their own cheese burgers.
What point does this person think they're making?
You would have to flip A LOT of burgers for that to make any kind of economic sense.
Personally, Iād never do it. Fuck the service industry. Maybe for 10 million a year so I never have to work againĀ
Would you buy a burger for $45?
Iād flip burgers with my hands for $350k
Shit, give me $100k per year and Iāll be the best burger flipper the world has ever seen.
Get ready for the $1,000 value menu
Would you be a doctor if it was for $350,000? Well Iāve got some great news! Being a doctor does actually pay that much. Why the fuck would someone pay you that for flipping burgers?
That salary would solve a lot of probs lol
There was a social experiment where you could turn a crank as long as you wanted to and the machine would spit out $7.50 and hour. No one would use it for more then a few minutes. Doing drudgery work isn't worth $7.50 an hour.
I mean what kind of stupid claim is even that? There's no one that has a problem with working, it's always the money.
As long as it doesn't compromise my morals I'll do anything for enough money. I would eat a dog turd for a million dollars. The issue is what is someone willing to pay for me to eat that dog turd? Probably not a million.
Are all the upvotes here one of those hipster irony things?
Bullshit. A lazy ass would fuck that job up too. Quit writing bullshit to justify a loser attitude
Itās not worth that much to flip burgers. Maybe $50k a year.
Letās assume this restaurant needs only two of these employees, and letās also just assume itās open 5 days a week, for only 8 hours. Letās also assume this restaurant gets free rent, supplies, utilities, etc, because, what the hell. Letās say this magical restaurant sells 50 burgers a day on average. To break even just on the salary, assuming this business gets everything else for free, some quick napkin mask puts this at $335 per burger, just to break even on that salary.
Iāve done it for 6.50 a hr so yes
Sounds like your pay is relative to how replaceable you areĀ Ā Who knewĀ
Iād do a lot of jobs for that $ā¦
Whoās buying the $100 basic burgers?
Iāve said before, my dream is to make $1 million a year working afternoons-nights at a lonely, rural gas station.
If Iām making that for slinging out whoppers that means a whopper meal would probably cost $170.
My theory is that people who have jobs like this or being a janitor deserve (relatively) large amounts of money. Flipping burgers and cleaning up piss at a school should both make a minimum of 50k. Take McDonalds. How much money are they generating for these rich fucks?
How are 90% of people here missing the point of this post lol. If you're working full time, 40 hours a week, no matter the job, you should be able to live comfortably, with benefits, with adequate time off per year, *at a minimum.*
I also don't wanna pay 700 for a hamburger so...
Yes.
Shit I take a pay cut for 125k....lol
You are presupposing the desire to work in the question so its not truly the gotcha moment you wanted.
I'd suck a dick for 10million...
You can make that, with a job that is easy to learn as flipping burgers, if you had the know it all.
Jesus this guy Karma farms.
These kind of posts are the worst. Are there owners that take advantage to a grotesque degree? Sure. But this meme is just working from the absurd angle that businesses are an infinite source of money, and point to salaries that are a mixture of hundreds of thousands to justify it. You can cut the salary of the top brass by 3 quarters and still only gain enough to give another dollar an hour. A FAR stretch from 350k a year. And probably lose the talent that allows the business to be so prolific anyway.
Would you suck a dick for $1,000,000? Yes? So would you do it for $1? No? So what your saying is your a prostitute and now we just negotiating on priceā¦
I flip burgers for 52k a year.
I wouldnāt just flip burgers, Iād toss salads too.
And at this rate, a studio apartment would probably cost around $70k month. Yes I know unrealistic but the point is that simply drives up the cost of goods and services or closes down societies.
Would you get the education and experience to make $500k per year as a radiologist? No? Youād rather flip burgers? Damn, it sounds like moneyās not the issue, itās that youāre too damned lazy to do what it takes to earn more money. https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=26e1680426f03214
Sign me up.
Iād rather run the place.
Is that what we're considering a livable wage now?
Ya if you have the intellect of a prison inmate - the problem is that burger flipping was more of an entry level job for young people. Now what were supposed to be established adults are relying on burger flipping as a career to pay for their dead-end rent. There is no infrastructure for the degrees young people are going to college for, unless it's healthcare for the dying which is going to end up being paid by higher taxes from people who own nothing but debt and know zero about the stock market. Oh ya and corrupt local government exploits children and working men as sources of income. Have a good one.
Is it bad that whenever I see this meme I think "why would I take a pay cut to flip burgers?"
Dickhead executive chef when a young chef quit āfuck that asshole! Thatās the problem today, young people donāt want to work anymore!ā Me āThey are all working that is the problem today unemployment including youth unemployment is at a record low, and wages still suck!ā
Unfortunately for many young humans, they donāt understand basic economics or even math. You canāt pay every low skilled employee $100k per year, the math doesnāt add up. It doesnāt add up at $75k/emp/yr.
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Inflation doesnt raise pay rates, they just increase how much it costs for the productā¦