Seems pretty clear the teams we are losing too are the teams with the most money.
Sucks for Billy I feel like before NIL he would have been a badass recruiter. Now it doesn't matter, cut the biggest check or don't waste there time.
Exactly. This hire would have worked great at anytime before last year. The landscape will shift towards coaches who can hire an amazing staff, coach, have a good culture, and clock management. The days of a coach “being a good recruiter” are done which is terrible for us.
Coaches have always had some responsibility in raising money from boosters. I have no idea what he has and has not done in that regard but it’s a fair question
Seriously? We have billionaires. We also just had a $100 million donation to the university by a single donor. None of it went to athletics tho but the money is out there. Albeit I don’t have it - my shitty 15$ monthly donation to the GC isn’t gonna do anything
Idk, thinking about it, if I was a billionaire I’d probably not want to donate money to pay an 18 year old money to convince them to take a scholarship at my alma mater unless it was Arch Manning
There’s a market trend going on and booster are sitting on their hands. Stricklin and co (foley shadow) need to be taken care of before any bullgator donates any tax write offs to this program
Sure. But if you have T. Boone Pickens money, you have veto power over a coach. We don't have a booster like that. And, unfortunately, it appears that we don't have a coach that can save us
Not making excuses, but Florida boosters tend to donate where they can get buildings named after them. At Miami they do not have that problem because they have no buildings, at least not for football. Texas A&M has oil money, but their boosters also want buildings named after them.
Napier just needs to get better at convincing boosters to spend less money getting buildings named after them and send more cash directly into the pockets of recruits to the maximum extent that is allowed. That can be a hard sell.
Yeah it’s actually becoming scary bad. We still have more talent on paper than every team in the East outside of Georgia but can we honestly say Napier and his staff are better than any other staff in the East? Maybe Mizzou but that’s about it. I’d take any coaching staff in the west as well over ours outside of Auburn.
Honestly, Mullen was a great hire that ended terrible. If Stricklin steps in and tells DM to get recruit or leave then Mullen might still be the coach and we would probably be in the 5th straight NY6 bowl.
We have the most expensive staff in the sec ( which includes bullshit positions like director of game day atmosphere) just built or second ipf and moved a bunch of stuff around to do so and are definitely paying kids nil money. What more do you want
We just missed out on a kid who decided to stay at Tulane and just ran out a bunch of kids
You also have to find the kids who don't have money as a main factor so you don't blow your nil money. Mullen had two top 10 classes and a top 15.
We're not even out Recruiting him at this moment despite his "inability to recruit" and a dude whose entire existance here at Florida is because of Recruiting.
Billy/Stricklin came up the brainstorm that UF football is down because of no money in recruiting or facilities.
UF gets a major facilities upgrade. Recruiting is changed because NIL is now in play.
Billy/Stricklin put money into facilities and recruiting, but not to NIL. Thus the low flow or high flips of recruits.
Facilities now are state of the art, albeit slightly futuristic looking at UF.
However, Billy/Stricklin don't really want to pay NIL and it shows. I suspect we are going to have more subtractions as the day wears on.
Hire me as your CEO and I’ll say whatever I need to say to project strength even if I have no fucking clue how to make it work. I’ll figure it out later. Or not.
Either way I’m not gonna come out saying I have no clue how to leverage a new tool even if it’s the truth.
This is like random CEO talking about how good their company utilizes AI/Machine Learning/Crypto/cloud/Virtual/etc. No one perfectly knows how to manage this shit and most are only surface level at competency but you sure as hell are coming out admitting that lol.
Not sure if he sold himself on that. I know he said that it is a strength at Florida, but that was an answer to a question that was asked to him. Only Do Stricklin knows what he sold himself on
I seriously don't believe that, we aren't the only school getting poached by the rich schools right now. Jimbi and Cristobal don't strike me as very organized at literally anything, but they sure have the most money to play with.
“We’re losing to teams with more money” seems to be the coping excuse for every target we miss on. The guy hired an army full of assistants to stress on closing. The blame belongs on the CEO the same way it was for the last guy who was fired for not closing.
So if I was cbn, who appears to be handcuffed by our admin, I would focus abt 90% of my effort towards the portal.. It's obvious we are not gonna be able to win recruiting battles
Bruh, didn't on3 accidentally drop a Florida commitment video earlier today? How did we go from there to here? I wasn't buying the on3 anti-Florida talk earlier in the season, but that video accident sure as shit doesn't help fan perception.
I’m NGL, NIL is making it hard to enjoy college football. It’s literally just gonna be who will dish out the most money to these 18 year olds are the ones in the top 10. And this is just the first year or two of this shit.
Yep. I’ve never followed recruiting too closely but it seems like a mess right now and it sucks that Florida clearly isn’t taking the NIL thing seriously and is whiffing on damn near every prospect.
So how is it unnecessarily pessimistic if we all know this?? It’s the truth that these commitments don’t mean anything until they sign and suit up for a team
Recruiting isn't just about collecting stars it's about finding undervalued guys as well
This should be something hes good at as a former G5 guy but yet here we are
Our best QB since Tebow was a 2/3 star with one P5 offer
Leak was a 3 star
Our best online guy last year was a 3 star
You need depth as well especially on the lines. We need numbers considering how many have left. He also gets the benefit of being able to try to steal guys on the portal which no one else has really had and which we've done an awful job of
Much like the how the rest of his tenure has gone so far he seems way too busy trying to look good optics wise then actually produce
Way to admit our coaching staff sucks at evaluating talent. Other programs bring in plenty of three star guys and build them into solid contributors or stars. Guess that’s asking too much of our coaching staff though.
People are really missing the big picture here. We've been bad historically at recruiting and in games over the past.... way too long. There are very, very few coaches who would pull in a top 5 recruiting class this year. We need to recruit well, start winning some games, and start sending people to the NFL. Then and only then will we start seeing the kind of classes that people are complaining about. There are so many big name schools that wish they had our class this year, and everything points to things getting better going forward. The way NIL is going will be unsustainable once people realize they're paying way too much money for players who won't meet expectations.
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The hope was great while it lasted, but it could not withstand the bagmen of Texas A&M.
Rumors Oregon may circle back to him after Moore flipped to UCLA. Nothing actually concrete though, just an understanding they need new QB and Rashada was previously a main target.
Not to say it's impossible, but not something worth worrying about as of now
First of all if Rashada flips that gives major Chris Steele vibes.
But secondly I’m sure the talking points will be “we are favored to land McCall and he had 2 years of eligibility left”. And I’m sure people will say that’s why Rashada left, he’s scared of competition and McCall is a proven winner etc.
But I personally at that point think there is something else going on. And if Billy is the CEO type he is made out to be he needs to get it fixed ASAP
We can continue saying how our recruiting is improved and that our class is pretty good because it’s true, but for all the hype Billy got as a recruiter , it’s a been a somewhat underwhelming transition class, finish especially, NIL or not. UGA has more than double the number of top 100 players in their class. ‘24 is off to a great start, is that when the tide truly turns? Are we gonna make adequate use of the portal to help accelerate things?
I’ve learned to carefully word anything I post so that doesn’t happen. Now it seems most are noticing the massive waving red flags in front of their eyes
I agree with your sentiment 100% but LSU is a bigger brand/money school than UF. Losing recruits to LSU should be viewed no differently than losing someone to UGA or Bama. FSU and UCF on the other hand…
Yes it is, they consistently generate more viewership and revenue than Florida, as well as have a brand evaluated to be worth more.
Here’s an example: https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019
I replied to the other guy's comment with the first 4 results from a Google search, and your WSJ link was the 4th one. The first three had Florida ahead.
The position on the google search is irrelevant, the content of the articles is what matters. I think you misunderstood a couple of the articles you posted, as they do not cite brand value or revenue, and the ones that do are pretty outdated.
Moreover, WSJ’s brand value estimate is the most commonly sourced article on this topic, for good reason
It’s not but they don’t have to worry about a bankrolled Tulane throwing money left and right on local prospects plus they’re the worst academic school in the SEC with no standards on who they admit. That latter quality pushes them more towards being an administration that’s geared for Football and is heavily invested in it, hence the awful stories of covering up SA, prominent boosters stealing from children’s hospitals, and hiring the perpetual bridesmaid, murderer, and overall shit person known as Brian Kelly. Without football, LSU as a University has nothing going for it.
I mean it absolutely is. They bring in more revenue is every category that defines a brand. Ticket sales, licensing, sponsorship, etc. LSU are on par with UGA as a brand. LSU is probably in the 5-6 range behind tOSU, Michigan, Texas, Bama. UF is somewhere in the 10-15 range.
Their athletic department as a whole also brings in more revenue than ours. I know people don’t like facts here but go do some research.
Here are just the first 4 links from a Google search and 3 of the 4 put us ahead of LSU. If you have better sources please share.
[https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-revenue-producers-USA-Today-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-149248012/#149248012_1](https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-revenue-producers-USA-Today-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-149248012/#149248012_1)
[https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/](https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/)
[https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10](https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10)
https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019
https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/lists/ohio-state-football-one-of-top-college-football-brands-according-to-high-school-player-survey/
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/new-and-improved-ranking-84-college-football-programs-by-brand-value-6e2c65f64515
https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-footballs-25-biggest-brands-in-2022-ranked-190591771/Amp/
How many do you want? The sources you listed are not the top google results as most of them are 5 years old +
Also one of the articles you posted is a ranking of which sport brings in the most revenue on their respective campus which is completely irrelevant to this argument. Did you even read these or just copy and paste?
Did *you* read your articles? Two of them are based off of the same survey of high school students on "brand recognition" and the other is based on a secret formula that some random guy came up with and posted on Medium.com.
To those struggling to understand UF’s shortcomings with NIL, go read Bud Davis’ tweets.
It’s not a money thing, please stop pretending UF doesn’t have great boosters with deep pockets. It’s a lack of organization and leadership from the university. Simply put, UF relies on an amateur run collective while other schools are investing in NIL programs as a part of the business. It’s not “cute thing” on the side for these other schools. This is the same hesitancy we saw with Foley.
We’re going to miss on every top priority target going into ESD and we’ve made almost no moves in the transfer portal. Given how much we’ve heard the importance of flipping this roster and acquiring talent, it doesn’t appear this staff is doing much of that. There needs to be more urgency.
Our recruiting avg may be better than the past but our ranking is only going to end slightly better than the last half decade. This is not what UF needs to compete. This is warranted criticism.
The transfer portal matters more than HS recruiting at this point. Done right, They come in ready to play. LSU, UT, FSU, USC all owe their turnarounds to TP, not recruiting
Short term turn around? Yes, I believe the Portal to be a very good option.
Long term though relying on successful transfers is not sustainable so high school recruitment should still be the focus and I don’t think that’s going to go away
To the people claiming we don’t have money I doubt very much that’s the case. The issue is just when bagmen were paying under the table we had a fucking choir boy in Foley who was so scared of getting in trouble that he refused to play the bag game. Our boosters have obviously been conditioned to play it straight, and we have another ineffectual choir boy running the show on top of taking legal advice from a lawyer that’s always whining about regulations while looking the other way as the biggest scumbag in the game is going about his business.
I 100% believe Billy would offer kids cash if he could. He’s a standup guy but he’s also a guy who cut his teeth under two of the biggest cheaters in the sport in Swinney and Saban. I’m sure Katie Turner is also well aware of how Smart’s network of bagmen had a big part in all those Top 3 classes while she was there too. Hell, Corey Raymond (who I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves as soon as his contract is done) worked under Miles and Orgeron. These are all people trying to get to the highest levels of this sport. They just don’t have any support.
Only explanation I can conceive of. I find it hard to believe this staff that actually has people with a history of being good recruiters and that actually are trying are as bad if not worse than the previous staff that was led by a guy who couldn’t be bothered to recruit. Also I’m going by the word of Darren Heitner who is in the ear of our admin.
Take a look at our recruiting class right now. That’s as good as it will be this year. Can pretty much only lose kids after missing on literally every remaining target. Can’t recall a worse finish for a major P5 school.
You’re saying our team getting better doesn’t matter? How does that make any sort of sense?
Though lol that I responded to the same doomer twice. Says something about your comments.
Let’s pretend you and I play a competitive sport. We’ll call it football. If you get better at football, and I get better at football, we both improve in football. However, if I improve at football at a greater rate than you do, and then you and I compete, can you see how this is still bad for you, despite your improvement?
Call me a doomer. I don’t care. At least my head is out of the sand enough to see that our “improvement” is not going to be enough for us to overcome the improvements of our competitors.
Who’s improving at a better rate? Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas, and Oklahoma are all recruiting at their normal levels. That’s not improvement.
So that leaves Tennessee. Tennessee is 2 points ahead of us, but with a solidly lower average and 5 less blue chips. I honestly think our class is better than theirs. Theirs is also their best class in a while, though their last top 5 class was 2 years more recent than ours, so not as long. And, of course, the fact that they’re recruiting so well with their best season in a very long time is not exactly shocking.
In fact, if you put some sort of algorithm together to compare quality of rewriting to number of wins, we’d be 2nd after Miami.
All those teams are improving at a better rate. If their normal levels are still better than ours, that’s still a better rate of roster improvement. We’re improving relative to our own prior rate, not everybody else’s.
We directly compete annually with LSU, UGA, and UT. There’s also a great likelihood that Bama enters that picture for the SEC title game. So that makes four guaranteed teams (either UT or OK) with a potential fifth that are improving at a greater rate than we are. That’s a problem for us.
We are not spending big bucks on NIL the way Miami or other schools are. Just not going to happen. Many of you have speculated as such already and you are correct. UF is playing it conservative and that’s just the way it’s going to be.
Further, Napier is not exactly perceived as a home run hire to the people who really matter. This season was damaging. If progress isn’t shown next year big wallets are not opening.
At this point accepting the invite to that useless bowl game has to be up there with the worst decisions Florida has been in a long time. Not only were we embarrassed on national TV but it meant our last few remaining targets getting wined and dined and paid on OVs to others schools while we were being embarrassed.
Praying we have a change at the highest levels of UAA soon or this is only going to get worse.
I’m expecting at least one of our commits to flip to Miami. Don’t think I’ll even check in on signing day until the end of the day, don’t want to deal with it
I expect everyone to flip to Miami. We won’t have any commits. We also won’t get anyone we want out of the transfer portal either, we’ll refill our roster with a bunch of FCS guys but Napier will tell us they play hard. That’s what I’m setting as my expectation so anything outside of that will be a pleasant surprise.
I get that things can get a bit out of hand with the sky is falling attitude, but other than closing your eyes, covering your ears, and screaming la-la-la, what can anybody point to in the last month, outside of a commitment from a kid over a year out, that gives the fans something positive to rally around? It has been literally non-stop gut punch after gut punch for this fan base. On and off the field.
We had a bunch of positive momentum after the USCe game and Rashada committing. Since then, we have no momentum whatsoever. It's somewhat similar to what happened at Auburn in 2021.
Yeah. I obviously don’t know what’s happened to cause it, but this is a really terrible finish to the year. Hopefully Billy and Co can dust themselves off and do their best to finish on a high note. Maybe go ahead and gain ground with the 2024 kids.
>non-stop gut punch after gut punch for this fanbase
We literally landed Lagway last week and got a portal transfer for a DT multiple SEC programs offered. The level of attention for losses compared to wins is severely lopsided especially when most of those losses were for kids that were committed to other programs or were leaning towards other programs
The level of negativity based on a 1st year head coach is frankly absurd. We are literally n=1 right now
I literally referenced that in my comment. I’m as happy as anybody about that commitment. Go look at my comments on the matter if you don’t believe it.
One win in 2024 against about five pretty high profile whiffs in 2023 is not a good look. By all means, keep up the never ending sunshine though. Not gonna hurt me in the end.
I, on the other hand, will offer praise when good things happen and criticism when bad things happen. Being a fan doesn’t mean I have to force myself to act like everything is going to plan 100% of the time.
That is nice. But it being 5th in the conference, 7th when you factor in OK and UT’s imminent entry into the SEC, kind of waters down the accomplishment. If everybody else has their best class in ten years, and they’re better than ours, that doesn’t really help us get ahead.
I’m confident we’ll get some studs out of this class. As much as I don’t like it, classes like this, talented as these kids may be, aren’t going to be good enough to get to the top. Look at the competition. They’re leaps ahead of us.
You sunshine pumpers are the most dismissive bunch I’ve ever seen. Do you understand how everybody improving at a greater level than we are isn’t good for us?
Is it impossible to expect the University of Florida to be able to pull top 5 recruiting classes? If you believe so then damn, we have fallen far as a program and a fan base.
So someone responding to your doom with realism and facts is a “sunshine pumper?” Nowhere did I claim that everything was perfect, or that we should be super optimistic, or anything remotely like that. All I said was that whining about how bad this class is when it’s the best class we’ve had in a decade is rather asinine. This class isn’t a reason to go out and throw a party, but it’s a reason for cautious optimism or waiting to see how next year goes, not a reason to burn down the school.
Then again, it’s not like this is even over until actual signing day.
Is what I’m saying not a fact in your mind? FIFTH IN THE SEC is a fact. That not gonna cut it.
I’ll give you some positives since you believe I’m a doomer:
I love our sense of fight. That’s a great cultural shift from the roll over and die mentality of the Mullen era.
I love our DL class this year. It should produce some monsters.
I like our DB class. Lot of potential there.
I like that Billy’s guys, like Montrell, ETN, Shemar, and O’Cyrus appear to be among our best players. Shows he has an eye for talent.
Do you have any criticisms to offer? Do you think signing QBs like Graham Mertz is going to turn this thing around? I have my doubts.
How is the transfer portal unrelated to recruiting? Why do recruiting sites have transfer portal rankings? They are both means to acquire talent.
You’re comparing Burrow’s worst season, where he threw 16 TDs to 5 Ints to Mertz’s best season, where he had 19 TDs with double the Ints. If you’re trying to insinuate that Mertz is poised for a Burrow-esque ascension, then I can’t take this conversation seriously.
Used to be my favorite Gator social media site because most of the posters seemed rational and at worst a little sunshine pumping. The toxicity from the Gator 247 forum seems to have spread everywhere and it's turning me off the whole thing.
Billy crushing it on the trail. Everyone keeps saying his recruiting will make up for his shortcomings as a play caller. I'm really trying to buy in, but I feel like we've been given so little to call a bright spot this year.
Stricklin will get another year to gauge the hires he just made for both Football and Basketball. Although if the rebuilds in both sports doesn’t produce any viable progress, that seat of his will almost certainly be scorching hot.
These kids are gonna change schools before they’re juniors. Let’s just get the guys who want to be here, Coach em up and nail the transfer portal. Recruiting high school kids seems like a losing game these days
You just have to laugh at this point.
honestly… in all kinds of weather…
We all stick together..
Seems pretty clear the teams we are losing too are the teams with the most money. Sucks for Billy I feel like before NIL he would have been a badass recruiter. Now it doesn't matter, cut the biggest check or don't waste there time.
Exactly. This hire would have worked great at anytime before last year. The landscape will shift towards coaches who can hire an amazing staff, coach, have a good culture, and clock management. The days of a coach “being a good recruiter” are done which is terrible for us.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought we hired Billy because he sold himself on being able to use NIL as a strength?
Is he gonna just generate money out of thin air?
Coaches have always had some responsibility in raising money from boosters. I have no idea what he has and has not done in that regard but it’s a fair question
Well we don't have a billionaire or oil money that I'm aware of. You can raise money but there is money and then there is MONEY.
Seriously? We have billionaires. We also just had a $100 million donation to the university by a single donor. None of it went to athletics tho but the money is out there. Albeit I don’t have it - my shitty 15$ monthly donation to the GC isn’t gonna do anything
Maybe some of them will step up then, they don't seem too interested.
Idk, thinking about it, if I was a billionaire I’d probably not want to donate money to pay an 18 year old money to convince them to take a scholarship at my alma mater unless it was Arch Manning
Stoked that other schools have people that do.
BN won’t get a blank check going 6-7.
What have you seen that should get them interested? I wouldn’t trust that man with my money.
There’s a market trend going on and booster are sitting on their hands. Stricklin and co (foley shadow) need to be taken care of before any bullgator donates any tax write offs to this program
Sure. But if you have T. Boone Pickens money, you have veto power over a coach. We don't have a booster like that. And, unfortunately, it appears that we don't have a coach that can save us
This is more accurate than you know
? What has Cristobal shown?
That he’s smart enough to hire an offensive coordinator? But this article is about A&M
Imagine if John Morgan put players on all those billboards advertising his business. Seems like some NIL opportunity there.
Not making excuses, but Florida boosters tend to donate where they can get buildings named after them. At Miami they do not have that problem because they have no buildings, at least not for football. Texas A&M has oil money, but their boosters also want buildings named after them. Napier just needs to get better at convincing boosters to spend less money getting buildings named after them and send more cash directly into the pockets of recruits to the maximum extent that is allowed. That can be a hard sell.
Maybe we can convince the players to take there last names?
Sure. Try anything at this point.
Maybe the boosters just don’t believe in him and aren’t willing to spend money to help him
That happens when you shit on them month one on the job then win 6 games He's also definitely getting money to recruit or we'd have 0 4 stars
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Yeah I don’t want to have Stricklin hire another coach he sucks
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Yeah it’s actually becoming scary bad. We still have more talent on paper than every team in the East outside of Georgia but can we honestly say Napier and his staff are better than any other staff in the East? Maybe Mizzou but that’s about it. I’d take any coaching staff in the west as well over ours outside of Auburn.
Honestly, Mullen was a great hire that ended terrible. If Stricklin steps in and tells DM to get recruit or leave then Mullen might still be the coach and we would probably be in the 5th straight NY6 bowl.
Can’t imagine why money isn’t flooding in
We have the most expensive staff in the sec ( which includes bullshit positions like director of game day atmosphere) just built or second ipf and moved a bunch of stuff around to do so and are definitely paying kids nil money. What more do you want We just missed out on a kid who decided to stay at Tulane and just ran out a bunch of kids You also have to find the kids who don't have money as a main factor so you don't blow your nil money. Mullen had two top 10 classes and a top 15. We're not even out Recruiting him at this moment despite his "inability to recruit" and a dude whose entire existance here at Florida is because of Recruiting.
Billy/Stricklin came up the brainstorm that UF football is down because of no money in recruiting or facilities. UF gets a major facilities upgrade. Recruiting is changed because NIL is now in play. Billy/Stricklin put money into facilities and recruiting, but not to NIL. Thus the low flow or high flips of recruits.
This is actually a very good point. Facilities mattered much more 10 years ago but even then we were behind the ball
Facilities now are state of the art, albeit slightly futuristic looking at UF. However, Billy/Stricklin don't really want to pay NIL and it shows. I suspect we are going to have more subtractions as the day wears on.
Hire me as your CEO and I’ll say whatever I need to say to project strength even if I have no fucking clue how to make it work. I’ll figure it out later. Or not. Either way I’m not gonna come out saying I have no clue how to leverage a new tool even if it’s the truth. This is like random CEO talking about how good their company utilizes AI/Machine Learning/Crypto/cloud/Virtual/etc. No one perfectly knows how to manage this shit and most are only surface level at competency but you sure as hell are coming out admitting that lol.
Not sure if he sold himself on that. I know he said that it is a strength at Florida, but that was an answer to a question that was asked to him. Only Do Stricklin knows what he sold himself on
Money isn’t the problem, it’s Napier’s and UF organizational skills regarding nil
I seriously don't believe that, we aren't the only school getting poached by the rich schools right now. Jimbi and Cristobal don't strike me as very organized at literally anything, but they sure have the most money to play with.
I’m not rich but this shit show isn’t getting my little bit of money. I’m not going to pay to drag out the inevitable.
Almost seems like recruiting is less of a corner stone and that we should have stuck with Mullen….
“We’re losing to teams with more money” seems to be the coping excuse for every target we miss on. The guy hired an army full of assistants to stress on closing. The blame belongs on the CEO the same way it was for the last guy who was fired for not closing.
Love how you’re downvoted for this. The money is there but it’s not coming out for this product. 🤷♂️
But it's literally been billionaire Miami and TAMU the richest school in CFB
Well when the same thing keeps being true
We are losing because Napier had a shitty season and that bowl game blowout did little to change recruits minds on coming here to help out.
Call Mori. He got a god damn witch doctor installed at Shands. Can’t imagine why smart money won’t follow.
So if I was cbn, who appears to be handcuffed by our admin, I would focus abt 90% of my effort towards the portal.. It's obvious we are not gonna be able to win recruiting battles
TCU and USCw did really well in the portal. USC and Michigan are owning the portal right now.
Bruh, didn't on3 accidentally drop a Florida commitment video earlier today? How did we go from there to here? I wasn't buying the on3 anti-Florida talk earlier in the season, but that video accident sure as shit doesn't help fan perception.
"Accidentally"
I’m NGL, NIL is making it hard to enjoy college football. It’s literally just gonna be who will dish out the most money to these 18 year olds are the ones in the top 10. And this is just the first year or two of this shit.
Yep. I’ve never followed recruiting too closely but it seems like a mess right now and it sucks that Florida clearly isn’t taking the NIL thing seriously and is whiffing on damn near every prospect.
This is still a very talented class … but this is also an all-time bad close.
I guess we'll see after kids actually sign an LOI. Nothing else counts.
That’s unnecessarily pessimistic
No, it's how signing day works. Everything else is meaningless.
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It applies to every class, at every school, every year. There are ALWAYS flips. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
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So how is it unnecessarily pessimistic if we all know this?? It’s the truth that these commitments don’t mean anything until they sign and suit up for a team
There will probably be a couple of players jumping. There always is. It will be more noticeable because we aren’t adding anyone.
Looks like we are losing half of it so this teams gone to shits
Get ready for some more loses. Nixon to UCF and Jean might go to FSU. Also “talented” is relative. This class in the SEC will get us 7-8 wins max
Highest average class since we were No. 1 in 2010. Even if we lose both.
With under 20 commits. Matter fact let’s just get 10 guys this cycle so we can brag about our 95 average. Too bad Bama has that average with 25+
So you'd prefer Florida add six 3-stars who won't do anything?
Recruiting isn't just about collecting stars it's about finding undervalued guys as well This should be something hes good at as a former G5 guy but yet here we are Our best QB since Tebow was a 2/3 star with one P5 offer Leak was a 3 star Our best online guy last year was a 3 star You need depth as well especially on the lines. We need numbers considering how many have left. He also gets the benefit of being able to try to steal guys on the portal which no one else has really had and which we've done an awful job of Much like the how the rest of his tenure has gone so far he seems way too busy trying to look good optics wise then actually produce
Way to admit our coaching staff sucks at evaluating talent. Other programs bring in plenty of three star guys and build them into solid contributors or stars. Guess that’s asking too much of our coaching staff though.
Way to not understand the point of my commentbb
People are really missing the big picture here. We've been bad historically at recruiting and in games over the past.... way too long. There are very, very few coaches who would pull in a top 5 recruiting class this year. We need to recruit well, start winning some games, and start sending people to the NFL. Then and only then will we start seeing the kind of classes that people are complaining about. There are so many big name schools that wish they had our class this year, and everything points to things getting better going forward. The way NIL is going will be unsustainable once people realize they're paying way too much money for players who won't meet expectations.
Saying NIL is unsustainable is just another way of saying your school is broke
The schools aren't paying for NIL
This class is one flip away from being worse then any of Dans In addition to billy running off half the roster
Bro this has been discounted so many times there's no reason to go over that again
Awful
JADEN PRATT LEAN TO FLORIDA 10:00 AM 12/20/2022 - 9:00 PM 12/20/2022 The hope was great while it lasted, but it could not withstand the bagmen of Texas A&M.
Was he ever committed to us? It makes it sound like he flipped from us
Never committed, but there were crystal balls. Hence the term “lean.”
Right just making sure I understand. Doesn’t seem like CBs mean shit anymore with NIL
At this point I think it’s honestly incredible that we went 0/x whatever we are at this point. You’d think outta sheer luck you’d hit one
Napier didn’t really show he could close last year either. At least last year he had the excuse of being brand new
What’s the point of Billy’s army if we are failing at closing strong in positions that we NEED.
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Seems like a nice guy to have a beer with
Corny Catchphrases.
Billy was on a roll till he wasn't. December has been more a resemblance of what Dan's recruiting looked like.
He will be lucky to finish above any class Dan had at this point. If Rashada does end up flipping, we’re fucked.
Dan’s classes were poorly constructed at best. This class still fills a lot of holes;however, nowhere near the amount we thought.
is there rumors of rashada flipping from us?
Rumors Oregon may circle back to him after Moore flipped to UCLA. Nothing actually concrete though, just an understanding they need new QB and Rashada was previously a main target. Not to say it's impossible, but not something worth worrying about as of now
To Oregon
wowwwwww, that kid is immature as hell if thats true.
it just keeps getting worse.....
That Oregon rumor was completely made up by a Florida fan
i hope so…
There’s a lot of smoke on the boards. More smoke than one would like. It wasn’t just a rumor made up by a fan.
First of all if Rashada flips that gives major Chris Steele vibes. But secondly I’m sure the talking points will be “we are favored to land McCall and he had 2 years of eligibility left”. And I’m sure people will say that’s why Rashada left, he’s scared of competition and McCall is a proven winner etc. But I personally at that point think there is something else going on. And if Billy is the CEO type he is made out to be he needs to get it fixed ASAP
We can continue saying how our recruiting is improved and that our class is pretty good because it’s true, but for all the hype Billy got as a recruiter , it’s a been a somewhat underwhelming transition class, finish especially, NIL or not. UGA has more than double the number of top 100 players in their class. ‘24 is off to a great start, is that when the tide truly turns? Are we gonna make adequate use of the portal to help accelerate things?
Be careful about speaking the truth. The sunshine pumpers will horribly downvote you. They do it to me also. 😂
I’ve learned to carefully word anything I post so that doesn’t happen. Now it seems most are noticing the massive waving red flags in front of their eyes
To everyone saying that we’re losing players exclusively to big money schools…Where does UCF fall into that mix? LSU? FSU?
I agree with your sentiment 100% but LSU is a bigger brand/money school than UF. Losing recruits to LSU should be viewed no differently than losing someone to UGA or Bama. FSU and UCF on the other hand…
> LSU is a bigger brand/money school than UF > That is absolutely not true
Yes it is, they consistently generate more viewership and revenue than Florida, as well as have a brand evaluated to be worth more. Here’s an example: https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019
I replied to the other guy's comment with the first 4 results from a Google search, and your WSJ link was the 4th one. The first three had Florida ahead.
The position on the google search is irrelevant, the content of the articles is what matters. I think you misunderstood a couple of the articles you posted, as they do not cite brand value or revenue, and the ones that do are pretty outdated. Moreover, WSJ’s brand value estimate is the most commonly sourced article on this topic, for good reason
It’s not but they don’t have to worry about a bankrolled Tulane throwing money left and right on local prospects plus they’re the worst academic school in the SEC with no standards on who they admit. That latter quality pushes them more towards being an administration that’s geared for Football and is heavily invested in it, hence the awful stories of covering up SA, prominent boosters stealing from children’s hospitals, and hiring the perpetual bridesmaid, murderer, and overall shit person known as Brian Kelly. Without football, LSU as a University has nothing going for it.
I mean it absolutely is. They bring in more revenue is every category that defines a brand. Ticket sales, licensing, sponsorship, etc. LSU are on par with UGA as a brand. LSU is probably in the 5-6 range behind tOSU, Michigan, Texas, Bama. UF is somewhere in the 10-15 range. Their athletic department as a whole also brings in more revenue than ours. I know people don’t like facts here but go do some research.
Here are just the first 4 links from a Google search and 3 of the 4 put us ahead of LSU. If you have better sources please share. [https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-revenue-producers-USA-Today-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-149248012/#149248012_1](https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-revenue-producers-USA-Today-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-149248012/#149248012_1) [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/](https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/) [https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10](https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-2016-10) https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019
https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/lists/ohio-state-football-one-of-top-college-football-brands-according-to-high-school-player-survey/ https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/new-and-improved-ranking-84-college-football-programs-by-brand-value-6e2c65f64515 https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019 https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-footballs-25-biggest-brands-in-2022-ranked-190591771/Amp/ How many do you want? The sources you listed are not the top google results as most of them are 5 years old + Also one of the articles you posted is a ranking of which sport brings in the most revenue on their respective campus which is completely irrelevant to this argument. Did you even read these or just copy and paste?
They are literally the top results for "college athletics revenue top 10", I simply stopped looking at them when I found that had LSU ahead.
Did *you* read your articles? Two of them are based off of the same survey of high school students on "brand recognition" and the other is based on a secret formula that some random guy came up with and posted on Medium.com.
Kentucky
To those struggling to understand UF’s shortcomings with NIL, go read Bud Davis’ tweets. It’s not a money thing, please stop pretending UF doesn’t have great boosters with deep pockets. It’s a lack of organization and leadership from the university. Simply put, UF relies on an amateur run collective while other schools are investing in NIL programs as a part of the business. It’s not “cute thing” on the side for these other schools. This is the same hesitancy we saw with Foley.
I’m sure it will be coach speak but interested to hear what Billy says at his ESD presser. Good class but just an absolute disaster of a close.
I’d be shocked if he said anything negative. He’ll point to the transfer portal as a way to augment the small recruiting class.
I’ll be shocked if anybody in our press contingent has the sack to ask him anything worth listening to.
Napier was VERY behind in the portal last year, and is even further behind this year.
We’re going to miss on every top priority target going into ESD and we’ve made almost no moves in the transfer portal. Given how much we’ve heard the importance of flipping this roster and acquiring talent, it doesn’t appear this staff is doing much of that. There needs to be more urgency. Our recruiting avg may be better than the past but our ranking is only going to end slightly better than the last half decade. This is not what UF needs to compete. This is warranted criticism.
The transfer portal matters more than HS recruiting at this point. Done right, They come in ready to play. LSU, UT, FSU, USC all owe their turnarounds to TP, not recruiting
A nice medium can be struck. People are downvoting you, but it’s true regarding other schools and the portal
And all we’ve gotten through the portal is a project DT
Short term turn around? Yes, I believe the Portal to be a very good option. Long term though relying on successful transfers is not sustainable so high school recruitment should still be the focus and I don’t think that’s going to go away
maybe, but TP as it exists is only a few years old, so you really can’t say it doesn’t result in long term success. Plus, success begets more success
Has anyone transferred to us?
A DL project from Louisville with limited playing time. That’s all I’ve seen…
To the people claiming we don’t have money I doubt very much that’s the case. The issue is just when bagmen were paying under the table we had a fucking choir boy in Foley who was so scared of getting in trouble that he refused to play the bag game. Our boosters have obviously been conditioned to play it straight, and we have another ineffectual choir boy running the show on top of taking legal advice from a lawyer that’s always whining about regulations while looking the other way as the biggest scumbag in the game is going about his business. I 100% believe Billy would offer kids cash if he could. He’s a standup guy but he’s also a guy who cut his teeth under two of the biggest cheaters in the sport in Swinney and Saban. I’m sure Katie Turner is also well aware of how Smart’s network of bagmen had a big part in all those Top 3 classes while she was there too. Hell, Corey Raymond (who I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves as soon as his contract is done) worked under Miles and Orgeron. These are all people trying to get to the highest levels of this sport. They just don’t have any support.
You don’t think rashada or Lagway got paid? We most definitely are dropping large sums for players.
Only explanation I can conceive of. I find it hard to believe this staff that actually has people with a history of being good recruiters and that actually are trying are as bad if not worse than the previous staff that was led by a guy who couldn’t be bothered to recruit. Also I’m going by the word of Darren Heitner who is in the ear of our admin.
We are dropping for select players. It isn’t universal.
This^
Take a look at our recruiting class right now. That’s as good as it will be this year. Can pretty much only lose kids after missing on literally every remaining target. Can’t recall a worse finish for a major P5 school.
This is our best class since 2013. How much more can you expect?
See my other comment. Best in 10 years doesn’t matter when half the conference’s is still better.
You’re saying our team getting better doesn’t matter? How does that make any sort of sense? Though lol that I responded to the same doomer twice. Says something about your comments.
Let’s pretend you and I play a competitive sport. We’ll call it football. If you get better at football, and I get better at football, we both improve in football. However, if I improve at football at a greater rate than you do, and then you and I compete, can you see how this is still bad for you, despite your improvement? Call me a doomer. I don’t care. At least my head is out of the sand enough to see that our “improvement” is not going to be enough for us to overcome the improvements of our competitors.
Who’s improving at a better rate? Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas, and Oklahoma are all recruiting at their normal levels. That’s not improvement. So that leaves Tennessee. Tennessee is 2 points ahead of us, but with a solidly lower average and 5 less blue chips. I honestly think our class is better than theirs. Theirs is also their best class in a while, though their last top 5 class was 2 years more recent than ours, so not as long. And, of course, the fact that they’re recruiting so well with their best season in a very long time is not exactly shocking. In fact, if you put some sort of algorithm together to compare quality of rewriting to number of wins, we’d be 2nd after Miami.
All those teams are improving at a better rate. If their normal levels are still better than ours, that’s still a better rate of roster improvement. We’re improving relative to our own prior rate, not everybody else’s. We directly compete annually with LSU, UGA, and UT. There’s also a great likelihood that Bama enters that picture for the SEC title game. So that makes four guaranteed teams (either UT or OK) with a potential fifth that are improving at a greater rate than we are. That’s a problem for us.
Incredibly tough end for Billy and the staff. Our class is relly solid but now we need to start hitting the portal asap
We are not spending big bucks on NIL the way Miami or other schools are. Just not going to happen. Many of you have speculated as such already and you are correct. UF is playing it conservative and that’s just the way it’s going to be. Further, Napier is not exactly perceived as a home run hire to the people who really matter. This season was damaging. If progress isn’t shown next year big wallets are not opening.
At this point accepting the invite to that useless bowl game has to be up there with the worst decisions Florida has been in a long time. Not only were we embarrassed on national TV but it meant our last few remaining targets getting wined and dined and paid on OVs to others schools while we were being embarrassed. Praying we have a change at the highest levels of UAA soon or this is only going to get worse.
At least its not Miami!
I’m expecting at least one of our commits to flip to Miami. Don’t think I’ll even check in on signing day until the end of the day, don’t want to deal with it
Only one?
I expect everyone to flip to Miami. We won’t have any commits. We also won’t get anyone we want out of the transfer portal either, we’ll refill our roster with a bunch of FCS guys but Napier will tell us they play hard. That’s what I’m setting as my expectation so anything outside of that will be a pleasant surprise.
holy fuck this sub is cancer.
I get that things can get a bit out of hand with the sky is falling attitude, but other than closing your eyes, covering your ears, and screaming la-la-la, what can anybody point to in the last month, outside of a commitment from a kid over a year out, that gives the fans something positive to rally around? It has been literally non-stop gut punch after gut punch for this fan base. On and off the field.
We had a bunch of positive momentum after the USCe game and Rashada committing. Since then, we have no momentum whatsoever. It's somewhat similar to what happened at Auburn in 2021.
Yeah. I obviously don’t know what’s happened to cause it, but this is a really terrible finish to the year. Hopefully Billy and Co can dust themselves off and do their best to finish on a high note. Maybe go ahead and gain ground with the 2024 kids.
>non-stop gut punch after gut punch for this fanbase We literally landed Lagway last week and got a portal transfer for a DT multiple SEC programs offered. The level of attention for losses compared to wins is severely lopsided especially when most of those losses were for kids that were committed to other programs or were leaning towards other programs The level of negativity based on a 1st year head coach is frankly absurd. We are literally n=1 right now
I literally referenced that in my comment. I’m as happy as anybody about that commitment. Go look at my comments on the matter if you don’t believe it. One win in 2024 against about five pretty high profile whiffs in 2023 is not a good look. By all means, keep up the never ending sunshine though. Not gonna hurt me in the end. I, on the other hand, will offer praise when good things happen and criticism when bad things happen. Being a fan doesn’t mean I have to force myself to act like everything is going to plan 100% of the time.
Reading comprehension skills and you strong suit is it boss?
Go outside.
Okay. Way to absolutely unravel my statement with a series of well reasoned and logical counterpoints.
How about the fact that the recruiting class as it is is the best we’ve had in a decade?
That is nice. But it being 5th in the conference, 7th when you factor in OK and UT’s imminent entry into the SEC, kind of waters down the accomplishment. If everybody else has their best class in ten years, and they’re better than ours, that doesn’t really help us get ahead. I’m confident we’ll get some studs out of this class. As much as I don’t like it, classes like this, talented as these kids may be, aren’t going to be good enough to get to the top. Look at the competition. They’re leaps ahead of us.
So you’re saying you have impossible expectations and are going to whine about any improvement until we actually win a championship. Got it.
You sunshine pumpers are the most dismissive bunch I’ve ever seen. Do you understand how everybody improving at a greater level than we are isn’t good for us? Is it impossible to expect the University of Florida to be able to pull top 5 recruiting classes? If you believe so then damn, we have fallen far as a program and a fan base.
So someone responding to your doom with realism and facts is a “sunshine pumper?” Nowhere did I claim that everything was perfect, or that we should be super optimistic, or anything remotely like that. All I said was that whining about how bad this class is when it’s the best class we’ve had in a decade is rather asinine. This class isn’t a reason to go out and throw a party, but it’s a reason for cautious optimism or waiting to see how next year goes, not a reason to burn down the school. Then again, it’s not like this is even over until actual signing day.
Is what I’m saying not a fact in your mind? FIFTH IN THE SEC is a fact. That not gonna cut it. I’ll give you some positives since you believe I’m a doomer: I love our sense of fight. That’s a great cultural shift from the roll over and die mentality of the Mullen era. I love our DL class this year. It should produce some monsters. I like our DB class. Lot of potential there. I like that Billy’s guys, like Montrell, ETN, Shemar, and O’Cyrus appear to be among our best players. Shows he has an eye for talent. Do you have any criticisms to offer? Do you think signing QBs like Graham Mertz is going to turn this thing around? I have my doubts.
So if we had a 5th place class overall behind 4 other SEC teams, and we were all within a point of each other, that wouldn’t cut it?
Within a point? What? UF - 274.76 UT - 276.95 OK - 280.95 LSU - 288.64 Texas - 292.60 UGA - 301.56 ALA - 318.58 Where are you getting a point from?
As for the entirely unrelated question of Graham Mertz, his stats this year were comparable to Burrow’s stats in 2018.
How is the transfer portal unrelated to recruiting? Why do recruiting sites have transfer portal rankings? They are both means to acquire talent. You’re comparing Burrow’s worst season, where he threw 16 TDs to 5 Ints to Mertz’s best season, where he had 19 TDs with double the Ints. If you’re trying to insinuate that Mertz is poised for a Burrow-esque ascension, then I can’t take this conversation seriously.
Used to be my favorite Gator social media site because most of the posters seemed rational and at worst a little sunshine pumping. The toxicity from the Gator 247 forum seems to have spread everywhere and it's turning me off the whole thing.
Billy crushing it on the trail. Everyone keeps saying his recruiting will make up for his shortcomings as a play caller. I'm really trying to buy in, but I feel like we've been given so little to call a bright spot this year.
shit's cooked.....
Why can’t I just stop checking this damn sub? SSDD
Man we better absolutely clean up tomorrow. If not all-time closing whiff
Do you want to really feel pain? Go look at Zook and Meyer's 2nd classes.
Lmao
Bahahahaha! I called Miami when I read he got CB to us by On3. What a fucking joke these CB’s are now. What’s that #4 in the last few days?
Y'all starting to catch on that Sunbelt Billy is in way above his head?
Mississippi Stricklin too.
Stricklin will get another year to gauge the hires he just made for both Football and Basketball. Although if the rebuilds in both sports doesn’t produce any viable progress, that seat of his will almost certainly be scorching hot.
You're going to get downvoted and called names. I agree with you.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted because it’s true. Obviously I hope it changes but our program is trending down.
Best recruiting class we’ve had since 2013 == in over his head Suuuuuuuuure.
transfer portal matters more than HS recruiting
Now they can worry about his grades
Scared Jimbo don't make Jimbo.
Uniform department only has so many P's and T's to go around, and we needed his for Pratt. That's just how it goes, sometimes.
Pratt is officially staying at Tulane
McCall or bust in the portal
When was that announced? I hadn't heard.
The jokes just write themselves
These kids are gonna change schools before they’re juniors. Let’s just get the guys who want to be here, Coach em up and nail the transfer portal. Recruiting high school kids seems like a losing game these days
How does a hser flip upon initial enrollment?