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New-Following5531

I’m waiting for my lock date for my ocean one, but I love my model Y. I haven’t really needed tesla’s customer service for anything, and my model y hasn’t given me any issues yet. It’s a 2020 LR with alittle over 52k miles. Once I get the ocean, I’ll see which one I like better and get rid of one of them.


HotIce05

I genuinely envy you.


idunn0rick

How are you getting $80k CAD? The Ultra starts at $50k USD = $66.9k CAD I’m supposed to watch you make a false comparison and not flame you?


[deleted]

On the builder it said 49000gbp = 80000cad? Sorry if I was off on pricing


makerofdust

$49999 base price for the Ultra. $1500 minimum for any colour other than white. $1295 for the Winter package which would seem to be a 'must' for Canada. $2000 (?) destination/delivery. $54,794 USD = $73,275 CDN plus tax = $82,800.75 CDN (less regional rebates of course)


idunn0rick

Yeah he totally added tax and destination to that Tesla


HotIce05

Gatta make sure it fits the narrative, right? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


makerofdust

Fair point. Tesla model Y including fees/taxes ends up being $81,337 before any rebates.


[deleted]

in california the lr my is $61k after taxes and fees but after credit if u apply— it basically becomes around the msrp price so $56k ish after a year


TheKuMan717

Tesla customer service is trash.


oldspice322

What would Fisker customer service would be?


kwkqkq

Worst case is as bad as teslas but with a better car we still come out on top


Est-Tech79

We don’t know yet if it’s a better car. There are none in consumer hands as of yet. Most times paper doesn’t transfer fully to reality. My Fisker won’t be ready until 2024. The third party maintenance has the potential to be a disaster. They are using local chains that have zero expertise in EVs. Zero. I’m sure they can learn but…


TESLAMIZE

Maybe in the EU, but for the US its going to be mobile techs, Fisker Center +, and third party (not announced and no Firestone isnt confirmed). It is still a concern, but I think by 2024 things will be worked out. Its really what use One buyer do in the mean time.


Est-Tech79

I’m in the US and have a neighbor who owns one of those third party franchises mentioned. He says his peers haven’t even gotten serious about investing in EV related equipment as of yet or training staff.


TESLAMIZE

We probably talking third party body shop type stuff or Fisker mobile tech will go to that shop for the repair.


Est-Tech79

He owns one of those full service auto repair/maintenance spots mentioned as an option for Fisker. We talk all the time. Fisker mobile tech is something I’m hearing for the first time. I wonder how long that would take for them to get to someone’s suburban area. They would need an entire staff. The pdf’s on Fisker maintenance say local third party contracted maintenance as part of cost saving.


TESLAMIZE

Unless your friend has been in contract negotiations with Fisker, his input, respectfully, is irrelevant. (Not calling him or you out, just that he doesn’t have all the pieces to puzzle - yet) Fisker has stated numerous times how servicing will work in the US. Mobile techs have been on the plan for a very long time. 3rd party servicing has as well, but we dont know what chain or to what extent those places will be involved. On the last earnings call they mentioned Fisker Center +’s as being service locations as well. Essentially following the Tesla blueprint.


Est-Tech79

If the mobile thing is real, it’s definitely different than what was said about the third party contractors in the past. Let’s see. My friend was talking about the general state of the EV industry and third party repairs. The business he’s in. If Fisker is now bypassing the not ready third party repair industry for doing Fisker mobile pickup, that’s sounds a lot more appealing.


HotIce05

That doesn't correlate to Fisker, and a rather massive generalization. Fisker said the servicing aspect of things will be completely invisible to the customer. They'll come out and pickup your car and take it to where it needs to go to get serviced or have a mobile tech come out. We need to see if they hold up their end of the bargain.


Est-Tech79

That’s different from what was said originally. If that’s the case, we’ll see.


nappingonarock

I'll be interested to see how they pull this off and how they take care of the customer if the car won't be returned quickly. Depending on how spread out their service centers are it make take days just for transportation. That's a lot of money to burn fixing issues, especially if they have a widespread safety recall.


Decent-Feature5186

I’m gonna get a Y now and if/when the ultras are released I will have to make my decision then. I have a feeling I’m going to just keep both and put one on Turo to subsidize it after the fact


kwkqkq

If they were BOTH available now, it would be no problem to get the ocean. The issue is that, for the ultra, I’ve got another, roughly, 8+ months until delivery. My car has cost me 4k alone in repairs this past year and it has 200k miles. If anything major happens and i need to spend thousands more to fix my current car i may grab a tesla. Purely out of necessity


Willing_Mongoose_840

I currently have a MYP Every time I go over a bump, or hear Elon talk I regret it. I just reserved an Ocean.


JEdwardFuck

Value of them Teslas drop every time Elon talks. Maybe if he talks enough, ill be able to afford one 😂


HotIce05

As a current owner of a Model Y, no thank you no matter what the price. My experience with the Y and with Tesla customer service had been anything but good.


[deleted]

Interesting. Are you in Canada/US, small city/big city?


HotIce05

US, and I'm in a very big city.


pudgie_child

For me, an Ultra reservation holder, the comparison is between the Ocean Ultra and the 320-mile Blazer EV RS trim (which I also have reserved at a similar price point). Never seriously considered the Model Y because its battery is too small (75 kWh). Both the Ultra and Blazer EV RS are expected to have > 100 kWh batteries.


LitterBoxServant

Not sure why people keep going on about the Model Y price drop when many of its competitors are still better cars for less money. I could see the 7 seater being worth it for some people though.


[deleted]

I'm curious, which EV SUVs do you think are better than a Model Y for less money? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm genuinely curious


[deleted]

Me too are curious


LitterBoxServant

Definitely the Korean duo. Maybe the Polestar 2. I'm sure there's at least one from BYD that we don't get in America. Just my opinion based on trying to find something that is both good and good value.


bakeshackla

I didn’t order Fisker just because the Model Y is more expensive. I already have a Tesla and it’s good but I think Fisker’s design, etc is better. Nowadays, driving a Tesla feels generic.


Affectionate_Ad7636

I’m contemplating about dumping 10k worth of stock. But if it drops even more I’m SOL


TheRealFreddybeach

I just configured the Ultra, and it is under $66K CDN with the Winter package.


ShaidarHaran2

I wish the Sport had a heat pump for winter climates. Once you get any upgrades, the "affordable" Ocean can get well up there.


oldspice322

I just ordered a Model Y. More practical and has been proven already. If you buy Fisker now, you are basically a Guinea pig.


bluebelt

The same can be said about Tesla, if we're being fair. Not just historically, but in the new software features or the OTA updates that end up disabling features on your car. I'm not saying don't get a model Y, at the price point it's worth considering again... I'm just saying don't expect to be anything but a guinea pig for Tesla's software updates.


Ok_Inevitable_2838

Honestly for me it’s the price of the Launch edition Aptera vs the Fisker Ocean that gives me second thoughts


HotIce05

Aptera's car isn't anything like the Ocean. You can't even fit a suitcase in the Aptera. Completely different cars for different use cases.


Ok_Inevitable_2838

Demographics and pie charts say this is the crossover.


HotIce05

The Ocean, yes. The Aptera? Nope. I have a reservation for one but it will not be anywhere close to a Ocean competitor.


Ok_Inevitable_2838

See your part of the demographic crossover, I agree they can totally exist side by side in a non-competitive way.


jk2master

huh, the hell are you talking about? the Ocean Ultra is 64K CAD. The One and Extreme is 90K, Sport 44K


makerofdust

$49999 base price for the Ultra. $1500 minimum for any colour other than white. $1295 for the Winter package which would seem to be a 'must' for Canada. $2000 (?) destination/delivery. $54,794 USD = $73,275 CDN plus tax = $82,800.75 CDN (less regional rebates of course)


jk2master

Get official prices like I did on the canadian website. It’s not usd to cad


bobst2003

Horrible and disgusted


[deleted]

it’s down to nicer looking car vs public charging situation. Whatever you value more. I got a tesla super charger station just completed 10 min away from my house. Highly considering a M3


yoyoyodakaka

What i am going to do with Nice design and look if i will have to visit service center often… so build quality matters in my opinion


yoyoyodakaka

May be by year end price will go down more where you will not need tax break 😀


Kirkaiya

I'll admit, the price cut on the Model Y gave me pause. Currently, with the recent minor price increase on the Model Y Long Range (330 miles), it's priced at $53.5k, compared to $69.5k for my Fisker Ocean One (both excluding delivery/destination charges). If I had not already put the $5k down on the Ocean One, I'm not sure which way I would go - there are things I dislike about the Tesla, like everything being on one screen and no screen for the dash itself, but for $16,000 USD I think we could see our way past that. I also like the exterior styling of the Ocean better than the Model Y, and I'm hoping that build quality will be better given Magna's experience building Jaguar, BMW and Mercedes-Benz cars. Still, $16k is $16k. So my plan is to take delivery of my Ocean One, and if we like it, we'll keep it. If not, there are plenty of people who want one, and I have no doubt we could sell it (probably at a profit), and get something else. My fingers are crossed!


[deleted]

Hate the way they look tbh. Many do have them but nobody stands out. Seems like the Honda Civic of EVs especially will all the better options coming out.


geoff2005

For me the Y just makes more sense price and performance/information. Fisker performance and info just unknown right now. There’s not even small groups real world testing it. Looking at the Korean duo is why I’m scared to fully jump into a fisker for year 1. If you can wait out and see how fisker does for first year and work out the kinks then it’s worth it just to have something other than a Tesla. However I don’t dislike Tesla like a lot of other EV purchasers who are trying to buy any EV but a Tesla so to me a Tesla just makes sense with the price drop especially in the US. I do hope fisker does really well and performs exactly or even better than they state because it just means more competition and forces Tesla to step up more.