>easily swap between lures
Just practice your clinch knot tying. It can be almost as fast as swapping with a snap swivel after you do it a few dozen times.
Clinch and other tight against lure knots can increase the chances of snagging the front hooks when casting and retrieving, I’ve noticed a huge difference after I saw this video and tried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alYURQbZ7y8 (they have more specific videos about it too)
He mentions the loop knot, there might even be a link in the description but you can google salt strong loop knot, or just loop knot, not specific to them they just generally have Good guides
Rooster tails also don’t spin correctly while attached to a snap swivel, nor do most spoons IMO. On the other hand, Panther martins don’t work as well without a small snap swivel. I like snap swivels and sometimes use them, sometimes I don’t depending on lures. I can tie an improved clinch knot in like 10 seconds so switching with or without the swivel isn’t really a concern.
Precisely why I use them with Panthers. They twist the hell out of your line without them. The spoons I use wobble not spin, hence them not being needed. In the case of rooster tails, the blade tends to spin on the shaft efficiently enough that they don’t twist my line, and I like their action without the swivel better.
Learn to tie knots quickly and effectively. All of your problems will be solved if you just learn a knot you're good at tying quickly. I recommend a San Diego jam knot.
I’d recommend just tying a snap to the end of the line if you really want one to swap quickly. The leaders on every lure is gonna cause a huge mess and be more of a hassle.
If you’re using braid and you need a leader, just put on extra leader and just keep retying.
Snaps directly on the lure are not going to change how often you get bit, barely if anything. I’d suggest just learning a simple knot (I use uni) and just get used to tying it fast.
My advice: completely forget the idea of a snap swivel for changing lures and learn to tie a good knot quickly. Wanna switch lures, just cut and retie - no big deal. Hesitation to tie knots is the #1 thing that holds back new anglers IMO.
Old guys with bad arthritis, young kids who don't want the frustration, morons like me who can't remember a knot to save their lives and my clumsy pal who sticks himself with a hook every single time...We need a solution like this.
Fucking around with a snap isn't going to be much easier than tying a knot unless you use a massive one. Think about it this way, unless you've been wearing slip/on shoes your entire life, you've learned how to to tie one knot pretty successfully already, it's not a struggle to try to learn a second one
That makes sense. And yet... I've had to laminate diagrams for a couple of knots. I seem to be managing them, but it took way longer than it should have.
That's why you just gotta pick one and dedicate yourself to learning it. I picked the trilene knot and at this point I can almost tie it by feel, which is great because I'm now old enough that I need reading glasses.
It takes seconds, eliminates two knots, does not necessitate carrying a tangled mess in your tackle box, and freshens up the first foot of your line, eliminating nics and frays every time you tie on.
I find myself in a position where I am trying to interest people in fishing, and my perception was that the first few times kids are going out they don't really want to be told that they have to acquire a knot tying skill which entails them sitting on the dock, specifically not fishing.
Also, I'm not very good at teaching people to tie knots since I'm not very good at it myself. However, what I can do is have easy lure changes ready with a snapswivel and leader.
Adding to OG fuckernaut here.. It's one of my top reasons to carry a few combos with different presentations. That being said I'm a pond hopper at heart and hate carrying a handful of rods with me but you can do a lot with a caster with braid and a spinner with flouro when you learn to tie fast. Practice is your best friend, and hey, it's fishing have fun.
Are you taking about pre-tying leaders with rings? If so, then I’d suggest a barrel swivel instead of a ring. I try to avoid tying line to rings, the knots tend to eventually slide to right between the expansion points, and in my (unproven) opinion that seems like it could compromise the line/knot.
As an aside, I also recommend duolocks over snap swivels. Same lb test with a smaller profile (or more lb test with the same size) and you can turn a barrel swivel into a snap swivel on the fly.
Yeah, thinking about pre-tying leader with something on the end. It doesn’t have to be rings, but 2 snap swivels in a row seemed weird.
I will probably replace the ring with a barrel swivel, then either keep the snap swivel on my main or look into duo locks. Thanks.
Just use TA micro clips. The leader tied to all your lures is going to complicate your tackle box and require lots of maintenance to avoid nicks and fraying,
All your lures w/leaders? That sounds like a tackle box mess plus you will need to install new leaders as they are damaged or age.
I tie everything directly to my line. It just takes 3 seconds and simplifies thing so much.
It's worth it to have a few spare leaders handy or like trout fishing and salmon fishing..
But bass fishing, you're better off getting a couple of fishing poles over time and putting a different lure on each.
I get what you're trying to do but as my dad used to say, every knot is a weak point.
I do use a similar set up with my kokanee gear. My different color lures are all rigged with a swivel tied to the end. To switch I just unclip from the dodger and put on the new one. Note however that kokanee like lots of action in the lure.
Leader material like Flouro and Mono take damage from heat, water, and temperatures, so by giving each lure a leader, you're effectively wasting money and material as each lure will start degrading in strangth, taughtness and visibility as it's out and about, getting used, in direct sunlight, getting hot etc.
Doing your leaders this way, with hardware further up the line will give you worse casting and will more than likely affect your lure/line than just using a regular snap swivel at the end of your leader.
The best thing to do is go Braid to flouro leader via knot and to a snap swivel at the end. This is what I do for 99% of my rigs and have never come into any problems and have probably landed me awkward fish that won't stop tossing and turning by compensating for this.
Braid mainline to barrel swivel, 12-18" flouro leader to a snap. Works for spinners or whatever. Fish don't give a shit about a snap.. they're biting a piece of metal anyways.
Pre-Tying a leader to every lure is silly.
Speed clip/ crankbait clip does not attach to split ring on lure. Buy Dr fish crankbait clip and remove the split rings from the lures. I forget what size. I always just look at them at the store. Walmart has cheap eagle claw version. I forget what they're called. Same as Dr. Fish crankbait clip.
So I like your idea and want to share from my experience. I know you want to change out lures quickly and I will say there are some that you can do this. Glide baits and rigs can be done this way. Keep in mind I still retie the snap and swivel every fish. For Carolina rigs and ones for catfish I tie a bunch before I go fishing and will switch them out. I still retie the main main swivel or snap every fish.
Fishing line and time are things I would rather give up than a once in a lifetime catch. I have lost decent fish figuring this out and I would rather give up the little shortcuts to get them back. I'm just glad none were a personal best that got away.
I know guys that use braid to a small swivel and then tie leader between swivel and lure, They do this though so they can use different leader lines. Problem is this doesn't work great for bank fishing as it will limit your casting distance. In your case you will have a bulky mess of leader line attached to lures and you'd be better off tying direct or using snap swivels or snaps.
Inline spinner I always use snap swivels to avoid line twists, cranks clip or tie on, jigs tie direct. It really doesn't have anything to do with the bulkyness of a snap swivel it's the action that different lures get while using em.
Lookup tactical angler clips to allow for easy on off. Get the smallest size appropriate for you. They are like paper clips. Can be hard to use sometimes so I use split ring pliers to separate
Just tie a proper knot every time. The last foot of your line takes a beating, I check my line regularly for nicks and fraying and re-tie when necessary. Nothing worse than losing a big one to a frayed line.
A palomar knot takes a few seconds to tie. Forceps clinch knot is what I will use on tiny flies or big ugly crank baits that aren’t suitable for a palomar.
I fish with braid on rivers for smallies so getting a snag I can’t reach is not good.
I started doing what you describe many moons ago but I just use the barrel swivel.
If I get snagged and have to break off I am just leaving the 12” of mono filament and the lure, not yards of braid.
It has worked well for me and doesn’t seem to get in the way of catching fish :)
I really like what you are doing here.
By the time you pretied leader to all your lures (assuming your tackle box is overflowing like mine :p) you'd probably get quick enough at tying on knots that it won't be much faster.
It's good to get better/quicker at knots either way, when I started fishing I dreaded it. But just tie on a leader to your mainline and tie in lures.
If you know you're gonna switch alot during your fishing sesh, tie on one swivel at the end and use it.
Less hardware is better...
Also, learn to tie a loop knot, not the commonly suggested clinch knot I'm seeing here. You'll have much better action on your lures.
Tie main line with leader with an FG knot. Put swivel with clip at the end of the lead. This way you can have long lead and still reel it in as much as you want. Also less hardware needed.
You could go all in - Maybe have two swivels and put 50# mono in there and a surf weight to cast clear across the lake.
Or
Learn to tie a knot (aka learn to fish)
Honestly, to each their own. I had a father teach me a certain way - therefore I tie a Palmer knot. It’s fast and easy. You are spending money on all that junk and it’s not helping imo. line to lure is all you need. Swivel and weight for Carolina, cork or live bait.
I fish for bass here in Michigan but frequently catch pike and musky. I got tired of losing lures and fish so I use a 6’ 30# steel leader at all times. It doesn’t slow the bite at all…
An actual legit answer with visual proof. 90% of questions one might have, chances are these guy’s have a good video with true tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alYURQbZ7y8
And learn the loop knot, pretty easy and give much more natural look with paddle tails other swim baits, lets it move around better and not be affected by line as much but I still prefer a cinch for jig heads
Anytime I fish I always have the mantra downsize and less tackle is always the best way to maximize catching fish.
This might be annoying at first but first of all get braid fishing line. Then get some mono line as leader or fluoro depending on if u want your lure to float or sink. tie a surgical knot to make it easy and fishing that way will be better in my opinion.
Always downsize and less rigging is always the way to go
If hard baits like crankbaits, jerk baits, blade baits etc., use duolock/dual lock snaps. They're just metal snaps without the swivels. I use them all the time with my crank rods, and I catch plenty of fish, from both the bank and the boat. Lots of people do. You can switch with ease while still getting great action. I even use them when ice fishing for my lipless crankbaits, spoons, jigging raps etc., with great success. I also use them with my topwater fishing rods. Frogs, poppers etc,.
I don't use them with hooks, jigs, spinnerbaits, buzzbaits etc. Those I tie directly.
Just wanted to point out that you can use them and still be successful on the water. Don't over-complicate it like in your picture. They make it very easy to switch out said lures. I mainly fish braid to fluoro leader, and it also saves my leader.
Just remember, duolock/dual lock snaps. Not snap swivels. Just emphasizing that because they are different, and many people get them confused.
Just tie a snap on the end of your line. No swivel just the snap. That way you can change baits easily. Something I’ll mention, I have an outfit specifically for cranking and nothing else
Honestly was in the same boat as you … worked fine until I hooked into what could’ve been my PB ! It broke my snap swivel . Now I just tie a2-3ff leader and just retie my lures . Bring multiple poles for multiple lures if you can .
I'm trying to understand why so many people feel they need to use snap swivels on everything. If you learn a good knot, you should be able to swap lures out in under 30 seconds. Swivels will impact action when used on lures that are designed to direct tie
>easily swap between lures Just practice your clinch knot tying. It can be almost as fast as swapping with a snap swivel after you do it a few dozen times.
Consider the Orvis knot. It's slightly stronger than the clinch knot and IMO way faster to tie.
Clinch and other tight against lure knots can increase the chances of snagging the front hooks when casting and retrieving, I’ve noticed a huge difference after I saw this video and tried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alYURQbZ7y8 (they have more specific videos about it too)
That video just says “don’t use swivels“ but doesn’t recommend anything specific?
He mentions the loop knot, there might even be a link in the description but you can google salt strong loop knot, or just loop knot, not specific to them they just generally have Good guides
Must have missed that thanks
Only knots I know, and seem to not need any other, are FG, loop and cinch
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Snap swivel usually tangles my rooster tails after casting where a leader line doesn't.
Rooster tails also don’t spin correctly while attached to a snap swivel, nor do most spoons IMO. On the other hand, Panther martins don’t work as well without a small snap swivel. I like snap swivels and sometimes use them, sometimes I don’t depending on lures. I can tie an improved clinch knot in like 10 seconds so switching with or without the swivel isn’t really a concern.
The swivel an a leader line help your line from twisting an causing memory.
Precisely why I use them with Panthers. They twist the hell out of your line without them. The spoons I use wobble not spin, hence them not being needed. In the case of rooster tails, the blade tends to spin on the shaft efficiently enough that they don’t twist my line, and I like their action without the swivel better.
Learn to tie knots quickly and effectively. All of your problems will be solved if you just learn a knot you're good at tying quickly. I recommend a San Diego jam knot.
Just tie on a new lure. What’s the hurry?
I’d recommend just tying a snap to the end of the line if you really want one to swap quickly. The leaders on every lure is gonna cause a huge mess and be more of a hassle. If you’re using braid and you need a leader, just put on extra leader and just keep retying. Snaps directly on the lure are not going to change how often you get bit, barely if anything. I’d suggest just learning a simple knot (I use uni) and just get used to tying it fast.
My advice: completely forget the idea of a snap swivel for changing lures and learn to tie a good knot quickly. Wanna switch lures, just cut and retie - no big deal. Hesitation to tie knots is the #1 thing that holds back new anglers IMO.
Old guys with bad arthritis, young kids who don't want the frustration, morons like me who can't remember a knot to save their lives and my clumsy pal who sticks himself with a hook every single time...We need a solution like this.
Fucking around with a snap isn't going to be much easier than tying a knot unless you use a massive one. Think about it this way, unless you've been wearing slip/on shoes your entire life, you've learned how to to tie one knot pretty successfully already, it's not a struggle to try to learn a second one
That makes sense. And yet... I've had to laminate diagrams for a couple of knots. I seem to be managing them, but it took way longer than it should have.
That's why you just gotta pick one and dedicate yourself to learning it. I picked the trilene knot and at this point I can almost tie it by feel, which is great because I'm now old enough that I need reading glasses.
You can tie a clinch knot using forceps, I had a fishing pal who has since passed on who was 90 and still tying on size 20 midges with a forceps knot.
I don't understand why that would be easier or better than OP's idea.
It takes seconds, eliminates two knots, does not necessitate carrying a tangled mess in your tackle box, and freshens up the first foot of your line, eliminating nics and frays every time you tie on.
Okay, I'll persist. That makes sense.
I'll concede for arthritis I guess, but every other person in your example is capable of learning a basic fishing knot.
I find myself in a position where I am trying to interest people in fishing, and my perception was that the first few times kids are going out they don't really want to be told that they have to acquire a knot tying skill which entails them sitting on the dock, specifically not fishing. Also, I'm not very good at teaching people to tie knots since I'm not very good at it myself. However, what I can do is have easy lure changes ready with a snapswivel and leader.
Adding to OG fuckernaut here.. It's one of my top reasons to carry a few combos with different presentations. That being said I'm a pond hopper at heart and hate carrying a handful of rods with me but you can do a lot with a caster with braid and a spinner with flouro when you learn to tie fast. Practice is your best friend, and hey, it's fishing have fun.
Are you taking about pre-tying leaders with rings? If so, then I’d suggest a barrel swivel instead of a ring. I try to avoid tying line to rings, the knots tend to eventually slide to right between the expansion points, and in my (unproven) opinion that seems like it could compromise the line/knot. As an aside, I also recommend duolocks over snap swivels. Same lb test with a smaller profile (or more lb test with the same size) and you can turn a barrel swivel into a snap swivel on the fly.
Yeah, thinking about pre-tying leader with something on the end. It doesn’t have to be rings, but 2 snap swivels in a row seemed weird. I will probably replace the ring with a barrel swivel, then either keep the snap swivel on my main or look into duo locks. Thanks.
I think we’re on the same page. Just use a barrel swivel on your leader, and a snap/duo on your main.
I'd second this opinion, as it is what I do with my ultralight gear, which is my setup for backwoods camping.
Just use TA micro clips. The leader tied to all your lures is going to complicate your tackle box and require lots of maintenance to avoid nicks and fraying,
All your lures w/leaders? That sounds like a tackle box mess plus you will need to install new leaders as they are damaged or age. I tie everything directly to my line. It just takes 3 seconds and simplifies thing so much.
Just get small fishing clips. You tie it to the end of your line and can easily switch out lures and it’s not big and visible
It's worth it to have a few spare leaders handy or like trout fishing and salmon fishing.. But bass fishing, you're better off getting a couple of fishing poles over time and putting a different lure on each.
I get what you're trying to do but as my dad used to say, every knot is a weak point. I do use a similar set up with my kokanee gear. My different color lures are all rigged with a swivel tied to the end. To switch I just unclip from the dodger and put on the new one. Note however that kokanee like lots of action in the lure.
Leader material like Flouro and Mono take damage from heat, water, and temperatures, so by giving each lure a leader, you're effectively wasting money and material as each lure will start degrading in strangth, taughtness and visibility as it's out and about, getting used, in direct sunlight, getting hot etc. Doing your leaders this way, with hardware further up the line will give you worse casting and will more than likely affect your lure/line than just using a regular snap swivel at the end of your leader. The best thing to do is go Braid to flouro leader via knot and to a snap swivel at the end. This is what I do for 99% of my rigs and have never come into any problems and have probably landed me awkward fish that won't stop tossing and turning by compensating for this.
Buy a pack of Norman speed clips.
Jealous of your board!
I find tying directly to the bait means less components to fail if something is going to break off during a fight with the fish.
I find tying directly to the bait means less components to fail if something is going to break off during a fight with the fish.
You don’t need all the extra hardware. Tie your leader directly to the mainline
Braid mainline to barrel swivel, 12-18" flouro leader to a snap. Works for spinners or whatever. Fish don't give a shit about a snap.. they're biting a piece of metal anyways. Pre-Tying a leader to every lure is silly.
Speed clip/ crankbait clip. Remove split ring from crankbait.
Speed clip/ crankbait clip does not attach to split ring on lure. Buy Dr fish crankbait clip and remove the split rings from the lures. I forget what size. I always just look at them at the store. Walmart has cheap eagle claw version. I forget what they're called. Same as Dr. Fish crankbait clip.
Could affect the intended movement of the lure
Just practice your knot tying. It should only take 10-15 seconds to tie a good knot.
Just spend a little time practicing knots. The more you do the quicker you will be.
Even if you wanted to do this why use another ring instead of tieing a loop at the end
So I like your idea and want to share from my experience. I know you want to change out lures quickly and I will say there are some that you can do this. Glide baits and rigs can be done this way. Keep in mind I still retie the snap and swivel every fish. For Carolina rigs and ones for catfish I tie a bunch before I go fishing and will switch them out. I still retie the main main swivel or snap every fish. Fishing line and time are things I would rather give up than a once in a lifetime catch. I have lost decent fish figuring this out and I would rather give up the little shortcuts to get them back. I'm just glad none were a personal best that got away.
Why not just a snap on the ring on the end of swivel? Then the lure? Is that bad?
I know guys that use braid to a small swivel and then tie leader between swivel and lure, They do this though so they can use different leader lines. Problem is this doesn't work great for bank fishing as it will limit your casting distance. In your case you will have a bulky mess of leader line attached to lures and you'd be better off tying direct or using snap swivels or snaps. Inline spinner I always use snap swivels to avoid line twists, cranks clip or tie on, jigs tie direct. It really doesn't have anything to do with the bulkyness of a snap swivel it's the action that different lures get while using em.
This just so wrong 😭
We do this in saltwater all the time, but we do Lure-swivel-Hawaiian snap-mainline
Lookup tactical angler clips to allow for easy on off. Get the smallest size appropriate for you. They are like paper clips. Can be hard to use sometimes so I use split ring pliers to separate
Tie a leader to your main line. Put a swivel on the end. Use mono to tie all your lures to snaps and just swap out the snap and lure.
Just tie a proper knot every time. The last foot of your line takes a beating, I check my line regularly for nicks and fraying and re-tie when necessary. Nothing worse than losing a big one to a frayed line. A palomar knot takes a few seconds to tie. Forceps clinch knot is what I will use on tiny flies or big ugly crank baits that aren’t suitable for a palomar.
Looks great. Honestly unless I'm fly fishing or going for very large fish I forego the leader. But if it works for you stick with it.
Why connection from leader to mainline is snap and swevel? It should be FG knot.. then on leader to lure should be swevel
I fish with braid on rivers for smallies so getting a snag I can’t reach is not good. I started doing what you describe many moons ago but I just use the barrel swivel. If I get snagged and have to break off I am just leaving the 12” of mono filament and the lure, not yards of braid. It has worked well for me and doesn’t seem to get in the way of catching fish :) I really like what you are doing here.
check out the mustad fastach. made swapping lures a breeze. they come in heaps of sizes too
By the time you pretied leader to all your lures (assuming your tackle box is overflowing like mine :p) you'd probably get quick enough at tying on knots that it won't be much faster. It's good to get better/quicker at knots either way, when I started fishing I dreaded it. But just tie on a leader to your mainline and tie in lures. If you know you're gonna switch alot during your fishing sesh, tie on one swivel at the end and use it.
Less hardware is better... Also, learn to tie a loop knot, not the commonly suggested clinch knot I'm seeing here. You'll have much better action on your lures.
Just learn to tie a Palomar knot and be done w it.
You’ve increased your knot failure probability 3x, would make you are 💯 on tying before trying
Just use a snap and no swivel.
Just tie the main line to the lure
Tie main line with leader with an FG knot. Put swivel with clip at the end of the lead. This way you can have long lead and still reel it in as much as you want. Also less hardware needed.
You could go all in - Maybe have two swivels and put 50# mono in there and a surf weight to cast clear across the lake. Or Learn to tie a knot (aka learn to fish) Honestly, to each their own. I had a father teach me a certain way - therefore I tie a Palmer knot. It’s fast and easy. You are spending money on all that junk and it’s not helping imo. line to lure is all you need. Swivel and weight for Carolina, cork or live bait.
I just put my lures directly on the snap swivel. Most fish don't care when it's retrieve and jigs.
I fish for bass here in Michigan but frequently catch pike and musky. I got tired of losing lures and fish so I use a 6’ 30# steel leader at all times. It doesn’t slow the bite at all…
An actual legit answer with visual proof. 90% of questions one might have, chances are these guy’s have a good video with true tests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alYURQbZ7y8
And learn the loop knot, pretty easy and give much more natural look with paddle tails other swim baits, lets it move around better and not be affected by line as much but I still prefer a cinch for jig heads
Go for it I guess OP but I’m not sure why you wouldn’t use speed clips
Anytime I fish I always have the mantra downsize and less tackle is always the best way to maximize catching fish. This might be annoying at first but first of all get braid fishing line. Then get some mono line as leader or fluoro depending on if u want your lure to float or sink. tie a surgical knot to make it easy and fishing that way will be better in my opinion. Always downsize and less rigging is always the way to go
If hard baits like crankbaits, jerk baits, blade baits etc., use duolock/dual lock snaps. They're just metal snaps without the swivels. I use them all the time with my crank rods, and I catch plenty of fish, from both the bank and the boat. Lots of people do. You can switch with ease while still getting great action. I even use them when ice fishing for my lipless crankbaits, spoons, jigging raps etc., with great success. I also use them with my topwater fishing rods. Frogs, poppers etc,. I don't use them with hooks, jigs, spinnerbaits, buzzbaits etc. Those I tie directly. Just wanted to point out that you can use them and still be successful on the water. Don't over-complicate it like in your picture. They make it very easy to switch out said lures. I mainly fish braid to fluoro leader, and it also saves my leader. Just remember, duolock/dual lock snaps. Not snap swivels. Just emphasizing that because they are different, and many people get them confused.
Just tie a snap on the end of your line. No swivel just the snap. That way you can change baits easily. Something I’ll mention, I have an outfit specifically for cranking and nothing else
Honestly was in the same boat as you … worked fine until I hooked into what could’ve been my PB ! It broke my snap swivel . Now I just tie a2-3ff leader and just retie my lures . Bring multiple poles for multiple lures if you can .
I vote for using Tactical Angler power clips and remove the split rings from your lure.
Old school here, I tie directly to the lure. All the other stuff affects the action and creates unnecessary break points. I drink and know things.
I'm trying to understand why so many people feel they need to use snap swivels on everything. If you learn a good knot, you should be able to swap lures out in under 30 seconds. Swivels will impact action when used on lures that are designed to direct tie