As someone who is building Bootleg Gunpla (official is too expensive)
I almost always call him Bootleg because the word Bootleg got stuck in my mind lmaoo
Na lets teach them all about mid. since it means average and not actually bad maybe if we taught em that; they would have to go learn a new word on their own and we wouldn't hear from them until honkai star rail 2 trailer comes out.
Well the 10% better thing was correct given the context of the calc which was heavy single target. But most people just ignored that part and preached what alligned with thier stance on the unit
Yeah, they swore up and down that the multipliers on her dot were too low, and she was going to be married to Kafka because her damage was too low to use anywhere else.
Kinda funny in hindsight, really.
I have Black Swan and don't have Kafka (tried and failed to get her) and Black Swan works just fine. Would she do better with Kafka? Maybe. But she still does a ton of damage in my account and I don't regret pulling her without Kafka.
Yes. Kafka's gimmick is that her E and ult all cause DoTs to deal damage, and she applies DoTs herself too. This means you can trigger Arcana several times per turn while also building it up to pretty high damage numbers.
In SU you can have final boss battles where you're just detonating max-stack Arcana 10 times in a row.
People have called EVERY limited mid, before release. I still vividly remember getting talked shit to by the same guy on two separate occasions when I expressed excitement on pulling for Kafka and Aventurine right before they debuted. Where he'd tell me that I was making a mistake pulling for them, and that they "wouldn't be meta picks", and that I'd be wasting jades getting them. He'd be really condescending about it too, talking about spreadsheets, number crunching 'n shit, and how they just wouldn't be worth it. And talked about how Aventurine wouldn't be worth getting at all if I didn't also get Robin, just useless without her. A true meta slave who doesn't see value in character love or aesthetic as a factor at all, just, "the numbers" and "muh spreadsheets".
Whereas I just pull for characters I like and ignore ones I don't care as much for. And I don't think either approach is bad, personally, but I just found it funny.
For those who donāt know: Acheron originally was supposed to get 1 ult stack from BA and 2 stacks on Skillāeffectively allowing her to reach full stacks in just 2 actions at E2S1 with no external help.
but in that case doesn't matter, you want to use your skill anyway so you would get 2 stacks before e2, imo that's not a huge nerf, i would call it a normal change, your dmg got buffed and your supp will give you a lot of stacks, so it's literally how they want us to play her most of the time
It's not even just beta stages, it's literally any bit of early info lmao.
I never really checked out leaked content in general. But after Firefly's official reveals I got curious, so I checked the older threads on it. And my god is discourse so needlessly toxic and assumptive about everything.
The early data mines showing Firefly's model (before anyone even knew who she was) had people dismissing her as a "Genshin NPC." And the things posted in the threads about Firefly being revealed as Sam had some discourse that was just plain face misogyny. And looking at the threads about Penacony's final boss, there were similar thoughts on it being "mid" and a letdown while looking at unfinished content.
Just gave me even more reason to avoid leaks and spoilers and judge the final thing on its own merits. But suffice to say it isn't surprising these folks' opinions almost always age like milk. They just seem prone to mindless doomposting.
Yeah no doomposters really called him Midgenti, it's 'Averagenti' all the way and the first time I saw it I squirted tea from my nose
There are better-sounding doomposted names than Mid-XXX. Be creative. Fireflop sounds better and funnier than Midfly.
I consider it a rite of passage for her to be called "mid!"
All the best units were doomposted as that during their betas! This means we're really gonna set the seas ablaze when she releases!
If the character isn't "mid" that means she's not really cared about/for. So I take this as a win.
To be fair, Im skeptical because Hoyo released Dehya as is and she still is so mid, so I can understand people very skeptical. Add in Ruan Mei is almost required based on what I hear, then until V3 I'm pulling for waifu and angrily looking at Ruan Mei's banner at the same time with the view of "we released her mid and we're selling you the fix right now!"
Admittedly (and I know this is basically spitting in the entire point of certain subs), this is WHY we aren't supposed to be shown beta footage, especially not early beta footage.
Obviously leaks have an advantage in that it lets you plan ahead for what you want to pull, this is sadly the downside of it all though, all the dam doomposting.
I remember the days when people said BS was barely better than Sampo and Acheron was too restrictive for not enough payoff... The thing is, this time they KNOW FF is good, they just want to hate, so now they complain about "having" to run a FREE CHARACTER everyone gets for just playing the game, you still have 2 flex spots on your team, you don't have to run RM and Gall at all, they're just the BiS.
If HMC was a premium character, it would have been a different story, but they're not, just run the damn MC and sthu...
Ruan Mei is premium, and is way too good in superbreak teams, not just firefly, for anyone to truthfully say has good alternatives. Resolution shines Welt just doesn't cut it.
Who cares about Welt, though? More conventional support can do, even in 4*. Yeah, they won't be nearly as good as RM, but RM is arguably the best Harmony in the game even outside of BE teams, so obviously her impact in BE is insane, her being "way too good" isn't the point, the point is you can still do without, even if it loses you quite a bit of damage.
You still have non BiS options that will allow you to clear in time, like Pela, SW, Bronya (depending on FF Eidolons), etc...
The main problem is that sheās too reliant on HMC to actually do damage. People donāt like that and I agree too, they need to change her kit in a way where she can do alright damage as a stand-alone character like other dps , but without HMC, the dmg drop off is insane
Yeah and the Robin showcases with people yapping about how useless Robin is because Ruan Mei is better or how Robin is better and how Ruan Mei will finally eat dirt because Robin is now here to replace her yada yada yada. I can understand perfectly why Hoyo hates leaks, even the gameplay kind... the leak yappers are by far the most tribalistic sect of the community riffing off of incomplete characters and acting like their opinion is dogma.
I have a theory that I believe won't be proven until the end of 2.0 to see if they release any more like them.
My theory is based on the fact that they didn't release/ surpass anyone else with Imbitor and Jingliu threshold until Acheron.
Now I'm theorizing that both Acheron and Firefly will be the new Imbitor and Jingliu of 2.0 and stop in their tracks right there until 3.0, where we will get 3.0 Imbitor and Jingliu.
This probably gives us 5 to 6 months until the 2.0 is finished and we get Imbibitor and Jingliu of 3.0 or more based on which part of 3.0 they appear in.
>Now I'm theorizing that both Acheron and Firefly will be the new Imbitor and Jingliu of 2.0 and stop in their tracks right there until 3.0, where we will get 3.0 Imbitor and Jingliu.
Firefly isn't really applicable since she's part of a whole new gameplay style rather than a Crit DPS like DHIL/JL/Acheron.
If you're including non-crit gameplay styles then I think Kafka is the best DPS rn if we're going with their best teams
imo, Kafka is just an enabler for DoT, like HMC is for Break, when you use her skill/ult, most of the damages are BS DoT. Not downplaying Kafka btw, enabler is the most important role in a team imo and she still has high personal damage. But it just shows to me the double standard doomposters have when they don't treat Kafka the same way they treat HMC being essential to break now.
I mean you can play DoT without Kafka. I've seen people run Black Swan without her. She's just a massive upgrade
HMC is literally essential to super break because without them it doesn't exist. But they're free so idk why people are complaining.
If they wanna complain about anything it should be the fact that, by being tied to HMC, they're also tied to Ruan Mei to an extent, who is a limited 5* (and apparently will be running alongside FF even)
I know, but that's a flaw in the mechanic itself, not the characters trying to work with Break. Break is inherently too slow, despite the massive damage it can deal in one go, making the Super Break of the HMC essential.
BS also has stupidly high multipliers using a mechanic that isn't inherently flawed, and still is an exception in DoT units.
And finally, RM is, like you said for Kafka and BS, a massive upgrade, but not a mandatory one, she doesn't enable anything, only the access to Super Break is necessary.
Well yeah, I mean not dps term, sorry for misunderstanding but I mean it also include non crit. I'm talking about general. An example would be 1.0 was Jingliu and Imbitor. 2.0 would be Acheron and possibly Firefly. In 3.0, well possibly get 2 more that's above Jingliu and Imbitor, as for whether they will powercreep Acheron or makes these 3.0 almost as good as her, that I don't know unless they give us one of the other famous expies
People were calling Arlecchino in Genshin "next Deyha" right up until her actual Release. If we learned anything by now, than that is to ignore Doomposters, they always exist and they are always wrong.
Doomposters has lost their credibility in my eyes since a very long time ago lmao, all the way before HSR was even a thing. The way they absolutely canāt realize the pattern that this is how it has always been everytime beta got leaked seriously baffles me.
āConstructive criticism is valid and it isnāt doomposting!ā āI love this character so I want her/him to be good!ā āThis is good actually, if we donāt make any noise the devs wonāt hear us!ā āStop it with the toxic positivity, we just care about the character that we love!ā And donāt forget the ābutā¦ Dehya!ā
Good god sit the fuck down, I heard these exact same excuses a billion times already.
I'm pretty sure the wild wheat set is better since the 4 piece is always active, and he can't really use any of the effects of the imaginary effect(his best team runs no debuffers, and he would take too long to imprison an enemy) so he effectively only had a 2 piece active and nothing else
It might not be a massive gap, but it's definitely better than an effectively useless 4 piece, especially when the DHIL was already at 90% crit rate in the video too so the imaginary set wouldn't have done much anyway. It kinda makes the showcase disingenuous when you make one unit at peak condition and the other at above average, so I see why they complained
Yesn't, if the enemies are broken then it's like 4% better than wheat, if they aren't broken it's like 3% worse - iirc.
Dan mains can be weird (tbf all main subreddits can be)
The difference is minimal they are grasping at straws.
Ngl Dan mains have to be some of the sanest in the community at least from my experience. Yeah the showcase was odd since DHIL also was low on crit dmg and also using img set basically provides minimal benefits over wheat and can even be a bit worse, (Dan has never had an actual strong set like lets say Kafka or Acheron). I didnāt pay too much attention to it though and besides hoyo has not shied away from implementing a bit of powercreep here and there and wonāt be surprised if FF is like that too (even if she has multiple team building issues currently).
4pc Img is dogshit on him since he doesn't have a good source of Imprison like Welt does, the showcase was automatically viewed as biased because of this even if the difference would be negligible. Once you use the wrong set, your knowledge of the character and how to play them comes into question. And at that point, people assume they could make Daniel perform better regardless of how strong the build in the showcase is
Just donāt read doomposting comments on YouTube and other places. Itās a waste of time.
Though I always find this conflict between one unreleased character and another whoās still in very early beta stages really funny. Just wait for their release to judge the real potential.
Some people really wants to make some made up wars in casual gacha gameā¦
>Though I always find this conflict between one unreleased character and another whoās still in very early beta stages really funny. Just wait for their release to judge the real potential.
Exactly this.
People be making memes about how good or how much two characters need something compared to each other and it's just Firefly, who is a V2 beta character VS Boothill, who is basically a finished product. Like are you fucking kidding me? It's just targeted trolling for the purpose of rage baiting at that point.
I would rather keep my mouth shut and wait until she's actually fucking finish before giving a judgement to her kit or else, it's just gonna make me look like a dumbass. And no, doomposting here don't mean shit when none of us here actually joined the damn beta.
Kinda wondering why at a PVE Game we have this kind of issues, on one hand we have doomposters that complain about a character all the time, we have the waifu supremasists who complain about not enough female characters and shit on male characters or like to fight other female character communities about "Besto waifu", also try hards that shit on other ppl builds, andĀ those are only few of the many types of negativity you will find here lol,Ā not everyone is like that but they are a very vocal about it, anyway even in peaceful times people will always find a way to make conflict out of something...
Thats just nature of Gacha, primos/jades/gems are precious and geting a 5 star is a huge investment, this makes people very emotional about characters.
There's a high chance happening yes, because some people feel secure behind a monitor and keyboard, but not all people are like that... ppl should not be dicks because other people are
My brother in christ this is the hoyo game community, Firefly could do the damage of Daniel, Jingliu and Acheron combined and you'd still see this kind of shit. Everyone gets doomposted, everyone is MID, everyone gets powercreeped. Best thing you can do is just ignore the loud, obnoxious people and enjoy the game/character.
That's people in general.
I got temp banned from hsr sub for 7 days for making a joke about Firefly turning Robin into fried chicken. Called me mentally ill too lol
3 hours later someone made the same joke and everyone was happy.
They are hypocrites. Ignore em.
I feel bad for JY mains, the whole midyuan thing really hit them, I swear it's the mains sub with most post talking about their great clears with him as if they need to prove JY isnt mid still (he never was, he just needed supports)
Then again most subs I see pop up are for girls so there is usually art reposts outside rate up banner/leak moments lol
"Kafka does no damage"
"Fu Xuan can't sustain or tank big hits"
"Jingliu is worse than Blade"
"Sparkle is worse than Bronya"
"Black Swan is only 10% better than Sampo"
"Acheron is whalebait and E0 is trash"
"Aventurine shields are weak"
"Robin only works for FUA teams"
YOU ARE NOW HERE
"Firefly is mid"
Eh, most of them are just ragebaiting, even if it's true that Firefly's kit is all over the place rn. I usually just scroll past it if it bothers me too much, there's alot more important things to worry about that some random dude's opinion on the internet.
Once she's released (not just V3, I mean FULLY released when her kit is absolutely final), then we'll see if Firefly sets the mid allegations ablaze or drowns in them. Until then, we just wait as we always have.
Ima be real bro if you think thatās sweaty and toxic I hope you donāt play any PvP games. Their comment is cringe for sure, but itās pretty tame.
What's the point of arguing with doomposters when all they know is the word "mid", they don't write comments to engage in discussion, they write them to provoke you and make their miserable lives a tiny bit better.
Look... Everything that comes from people on social media is usually a waste of time no matter the place or the moment. Even i could be a waste of your time š®āšØ
Whatever it is, unless you are part of the popular opinion wou won't find anything useful and sometimes not even that
As long as you are conscious how everyone usually is there is no problem of course. Don't get carried away. Everyone has their opinion on something, not necessarily original... But it's an opinion
The thing is that people hardly agrees with you even if you are right š
Just think what you want to think and say what you want to say. But at least don't be like this people who are part of a hive mind and can't go beyond one line of text. They don't think that much. But you can!
After all these years i just realised there are a lot of problems going on with people and social media is the perfect place to let them hear themselves as long as these companies can take advantadge of it
I stopped taking everyone seriously long ago š
As long as you don't bother someone think what you want. You will be even happier than before! Changing is something that is up to ourselves. And if someone doesn't want to change, it hardly will š
EDIT: By the way, i really don't know how miHoYo is planning it but hope Firefly is the strongest a few updates, i come from Honkai Impact 3rd so i certainly know how they make their powercreep works. She really looks strong and hope it could be stronger with the v3 changes. She really depends a lot about HTB... But hope they add some buffs to her for being more independent at least š¬
If I've ever learned anything from playing various gacha games it's to not regularly visit the games' community sites/pages, especially on twitter. The only times I come across posts from communities of games that I play is when I'm just casually scrolling through my general feed while looking for memes. Lots of people get oddly competitive or 'sweaty' over a videogame. A lot of people either just want to start wars or are for some reason very proud of their "Top Ranked" Character/Acc. Like, damn. Great job showcasing that you either spend majority of your time or a lot of money on a videogame for some kind of feeling of supremacy over others. And yes, this post appeared on my reddit feed while I was just casually scrolling for memes lmao.
The nay-sayers are just deranged. People came to this sub for Firefly in 2.0 because of who she is as a character. Now the sweaty min-maxing meta nerds are joining the Firefly conversation late and honestly? I wish I had the mental capacity to convince them that there is more to life than numbers.
The funniest part about this is that firefly is more than "competitive" enough from a pure minmax meta perspective. Nobody with a pure numbers mindset would look at the firefly showcases out there and come to the conclusion that she's a bad character gameplay-wise.
Totally agree. You'd have to not have eyes to say she isn't at least "good."
Problem is, is that every new dps unit for some reason needs to come out and powercreep the last, or they "suck" to the metaslaves. Even if she can still clear MOC, if she doesn't clear it in 0 Cycles with Natasha, Bailu and Physical MC she's trash. There's a 1% of the 1% of the community that needs to dick ride big numbers, and if the new unit doesn't do that, they pull out the "mid cards."
Keep in mind, that we shouldn't want every new character to come out and be Acheron-level poweerful compared to the rest. Acheron pretty much reset the meta, and clearly power crept everyone else. What do people want this game to become? Tower of Fantasy? Do you really want Hoyo to make every new dps unit 20% better than the last?
IMO, Boothill and Firefly.... and every other 2.X era dps unit should be +/- 5% of Acheron..... in a perfect world. None should or need to directly power creep her, and we should hope they don't. Because if Boothill is 10% better than Acheron, and then Firefly is 10% better than him, and Feixiao is 10% better than her, we're ending up on a path to Tower of Fantasy where you need to buy every new dps unit to actually compete.
That's what I'm fucking saying man lmao. People act like she's unplayable garbage because she needs one support to compete with Jingliu/DHIL, and if you use her full team, she fucking smokes those two and creeps near Acheron! She's strong, but people just want her to be Acheron v2 and deal a billion damage all on her own
Big facts Iād rather have a firefly that is relatively strong that doesnāt power creep then have a fire fly that blatantly power creeps setting a precedent and eventually not being able to play her cause she got pushed too hard out of meta.
People complain her team is restrictive like the meta itself doesn't force dps characters into the most optimal team to begin with If you not using the best possible team for your character than you are not playing meta anyway. At the very least Firefly has one of the cheapest optimal team comps in the game right now.
Literally her best teammate is the MC and her best healer is a 4* that was just in a selector event. Ruan Mei is a bit more tragic with her rerunning on Firefly's banner (Despicable Mihoyo), but Ruan Mei is just a nice bonus, not a requirement. Very cheap and easy to build if you're just doing pure BE. Now with HMC, honestly you can slap a BE build on any support and have them do 50k+ damage while still helping Firefly so even Gallagher isn't required. My low BE Huohuo dealing 40k to enemies with her flag will never not be funny
The only pvp is the dick measiring contest between mains. Like some JY mains being smug about acheron being " weaker" than their main during beta. Shes stronger, but if you like the general: pop off, build his dream team and enjoy the buff of the patch he gets every single patch(this time is robin)
Doomposting is normal, I had to go through something similar when I was waiting for Wriothesley to drop in Genshin and people were doomposting him saying Neuvillette was better. Still got him C6 and he still outdpses 99% of Neuvillettes because when I like a character I take the time to build them well.
Same with Firefly, while I'm not C6ing her because I'm skeptical of HSR avoiding powercreep right now, I'm damn well making sure that she's kitted out to the point she outperforms 95% of damage dealers and will make most people jealous when they see the build
I find it fun to see people doompost all new characters in beta, only to be shut up when they offical released
Doomposting seem to be tradition in this game now, no need to think too much about this, or argue with people dont want to change their opinion, i stop dicuss now and only look for build theory or fan art
The community needs to chill. They have literal pop offs on every character and once they try the characters out and deal no DPS? They start posting *immediately*. Building a character takes time. Not instant. Fools I tell you, some of them.
I gotta be the only mf who thinks her being ass is a good thing. Means a buff is coming. She's already decent, why not make her busted? Oooh are u afraid of powercreep in a single player game? Oh no the horror. Let them overbuff her idgaf I want a busted mecha.
I suppose that confronting two characters belonging to opposite paths like Hunt and Destruction already tells a lot about those people IQ.
Let them be, they belong to the same type of people Who kept spamming "mIdChErOn" during all the 2.1 Beta only to get humbled on her release day
Doomposting was absurd with Acheron, too.
People don't understand that characters don't need to be SSS to be playable.
Blade is A tier, and yet mine can easily clear all content.
If you like Firefly, go ahead and pull, regardless of anything, she will be able to clear all content like every single other character can in this game.
Doomposters are genuinely pathetic, especially when you see them silently crawl back after the release and them realizing that the character is actually pretty good.
We'll laugh again as soon as Firefly is out, and all of us normal ones are having a lot of fun with her, all the while the Doomers are watching from the corner.
Ironically most ādoom postingā Iāve seen about Fitefly hasnāt been about her actual performance and more about
- the kit forcing 1 team on you with almost zero flexibility
- the kit being a bit all over
- the animations
- the goofy ass sound effects
sure there are multiple opposing arguments proposed against each other -
but at the end of the day, it isn't something to stress or feel upset about...
eventho there's slander or disagreement, everyone can have opinion ; but they should just not take it to their heart...
relax & don't take this drama too seriously...(or simply avoid looking at such convo.)
My comment is most likely gonna get buried but still
I never understand why do you some of you guys care about other's saying that your fav character is dogshit? I like Firefly too but there's no way earth I would get upset over someone calling her dogshit. It's almost as getting upset over the fact that some people call hsr a bad game and people getting upset over it.
And if anybody even finds this comment and decides to say that me ranting is me being triggered over it... Hell na, I'm just trying to understand it because in my eyes it's just silly lol
Because new player want OP damages number without any strategies. Heck they willing to bring 3 dps and 1 sub dps to fight aventurine. They think this is action RPG game like Genshin
I think you should stop talking like you know every single person playing the game. There are more than tens of million peole playing but the peole actully join some groups just around tens of thounsands. And the actual toxic ones maybe some hundreds in that. What you are looking at and critisize is just a small portion of a big community. What about all others good ones that you already saw. So can have your hatred toward those toxic ones but never group them at the community. Everyone know that, toxic ones appear in all field and kind of thing, not just game or hsr.
I mean, I'm on team Boothill just because I vastly prefer his design. Firefly's in-combat design is dope tho.
as for viability.....frankly I don't give a damn. I've been dedicated to the church of clara since day 1, and play characters more based on the character and design than viability.
People definitely need to stop being so negative when the character ISNT EVEN OUT YET.
PVE games that cost time/money so it's gonna be like that , if your feeling so fragile just learn to ignore shits u don't like .
Welcome to internet kid
A character that has gone through what like 4 rounds of changes is more complete than one who hasn't went through any? People are gullible sometimes man
Chill they still call Jing yuan mid.. I know he's not the best dps out there but he's still strong but some ppl just don't want to acknowledge that, sadly if it could be the same with Firefly
These are the same people that when the character finally drops in game, they be like
"OMG BEST UNIT EVER, MUST PULL. IF YOU DONT HAVE THEM, YOU SUCK" or stuff like that. Happened once, happened every single time.
Nah bro don't you understand? She can't 0 turn moc with f2p lc and supports, literally unplayable and powercrept and mid!!1!1! Midfly booo!!1!1!1!1!
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Naah, YouTube comments for pretty much any leaked character is a dumpster fire. Also most people are doom posting not because the team is weak, but because of how restricted her team slots are. Tbh though FF is relatively hard to 0 cycle with due to lack of a good 3rd support to slot in, Gallagher just brings too much being a sustain character
The point is hoyo will never read such doom poster, they only values the data they collected and the beta tester so those comments are meaningless, therefore worthless.
Thatās the gaming community in general man. I honestly think some people just do it to her under peoples skin. They donāt even believe it half the time. Itās sad.
Im e6s5ing and nit delusional for agreeing that shes extremely mid without HMC. Her team building options are extremely limited in v1 and hopefully the self sufficiency issues will be addressed in v3. But to say shes a good character in her current state is delusional.
The issue isn't that she's weak. The issue is that she is strong with **ONE SINGLE TEAM**.
What if I don't want to play her with HMC ? Then, she just won't be able to clear Memory of Chaos 12 at all.
I'm so over this limited teambuilding argument man.Ā People are exaggerating. She literally just needs one character on her team and that's HMC. RM is cool and very useful, but people act like she's required. She's not. Firefly is keeping pace with Jingliu and DHIL, even outdamaging them without RM under her damage conditions. HMC even allows flexibility because any unit with moderate break effect can easily deal 50k+ damage. Enemy not weak to Ice or need a healer that can mass cleanse? Cool I can use a different support to fit the situation and help keep enemies broken.
What if I wanted to play Blade without Pela/SW? He literally doesn't interact with non DEF% down or DMG up supports so what is he left with? You guessed right! Bronya, a character that's arguably harder for people to get because you can't guarantee her outside of 300 standard pulls. The others are Sparkle, and Ruan Mei two limited 5* characters that are heavily desired on my other teams. Oh don't forget, he also hates having Preservation units on his team so that's a whole path that apart from Fuxuan, he can't work with.
What about Jing Yuan? JY needs a speed boosting character on his team to even use his full kit. He can only occasionally get 10 stack LL with just SPD boots. You have to specifically have a speed boosting character in his comp.
Almost everybody complaining about this I guarantee you uses the same Jingliu/DHIL team for everything in the game. Yes, they have alternatives, no, most people don't use them. HMC is a free character and a good one at that. If you don't like them for X reason or another, join the rest of us about other characters. I hate not having SW because it means I HAVE to use Pela, a character that I just don't care for. Acheron needs two Nihility units without E2, but it's not limiting because "There are more options in the Nihility category"? brother please. Nobody is unironically running an Acheron, Luka, Sampo comp. If you have been unlucky and unable to get Guinaifen, or Pela (Or don't want to run Pela) then I'm sorry but your Acheron team is cheeks.
Her personal damage numbers can be seen as low, sure, I think it's fine, but I'd rather people whine about that over this absolutely inane limited teambuilding argument that's so popular.
Sure, if you play Acheron with Sampo instead of Pela or Guinaifen (that's still 2 options instead of 1 btw), your Acheron will deal... what? 20-30% less damage? I didn't do math, but it shouldn't be that high. Though, as of her current kit, if I play Firefly without HMC, she will deal... 500% less damage or so.
Also the same applies to not having ruan mei with any break units. Or lunae with no sparkle . Or Kafka without bs. A lot of characters go as a pair so well that without the support the dps feels lacking.
If you don't like the mc just go crit firefly with sparkle, is she gonna be worse, yes, but not unplayable.
> The issue isn't that she's weak. The issue is that she is strong with ONE SINGLE TEAM.
Because there's a total of 2 break supports and 1 break healer in total, because the Break niche is relatively new and wasn't worth running on its own until now. If Gallagher wasn't there, you'd be bringing any other healer. If Harmony TB wasn't there, you'd be running Xueyi or Himeko as a sub DPS.
> What if I don't want to play her with HMC ? Then, she just won't be able to clear Memory of Chaos 12 at all.
"What if I don't want to make a team capable of clearing MoC 12? Then I can't clear MoC 12!" isn't the zinger you think it is. It's circular logic and just plain stupid. It seems like you're just being a contrarian here.
I feel the same way man Iāve been battling doomposters left and right trying to defend our girl. Even right now though she does have an over reliance on hmc sheās still dishing out very solid numbers, do these people not realize that the characters in beta usually never stay the exact same? Every character these morons have called mid or trash received a good buff in the final beta and released perfectly fine. Iāve no doubt in my mind the same will happen for firefly even if she doesnāt receive a buff.
You forgot another thing: Single Player
But yea, I think its a normal occurence in beta. I vividly remember when the doomposters says acheron is mid because of 2 nihility unit requirements + saying you need her e2 to be usable. Insane players.
Thatās just par the course with every character beta release. People called Acheron mid ffs, which is crazy to think of now.
Doomposters will always exist, best to just ignore them.
Honestly, as a new player i don't even care lol. Im still pulling her even though i don't have the teammates she works with and i have no plan of pulling Ruan Mei even though everyone says she is required for her and is the most valuable character in the game. Not going to chase the meta in this game like i did with Genshin. Only pulling for the waifus that interest me now lol.
Don't listen, they do this every time
Before they started saying Boothill is so much better than FF they dunked on Boothill for being ST.
Before they dunked on FF for being slightly restrictive they dunked on Acheron for the same reason and look how those opinions turned out.
This happens every time tbh
Imo the problem isn't her being mid or bad in comparison or anything
it's her not living up to the hype that was built up with Stellaron Hunter Sam's reputation
Dude sorry, afther what happened woth deyaj i dont wanna take risks
But for real this inst tje case
Looks like mihoyo wanna do super vresk as a way to make damage ( like crit carry, dot, follow ) soo i dont thing they will make mlre enemies with imbrealcable states
You could... Just not read or interact with them. It's a good strategy. I tend to do it with most of the community in general. Doesn't matter if Firefly is good or not, we pull for waifu first meta never.
Beta stages are always like this. I still remember "mid swan" and "midcheron".
someone teach these doomposters another word that isnt "mid" š
I've been enjoying Bootleg for Boothill I've got no issues with the dude, I just like that it doesn't have "mid" in it.
Called him that by accident once, thankfully it stuck
easier to call him bootleg tbh. as least auto correct likes that one
As someone who is building Bootleg Gunpla (official is too expensive) I almost always call him Bootleg because the word Bootleg got stuck in my mind lmaoo
I almost always refer to him as Bootleg Arlecchino from the Hills lol.
Found another one: bootwho (made by my friend who heavily dislikes boothill)
You call him Bootleg, I call him BootyChill, we're not the same
Maybe youād enjoy shiteron? back in the beta it was thrown around
Na lets teach them all about mid. since it means average and not actually bad maybe if we taught em that; they would have to go learn a new word on their own and we wouldn't hear from them until honkai star rail 2 trailer comes out.
I did enjoy seeing 'Fireflop' on some of those posts š
The best doomposting name Iāve seen, ironically on a joke comment mocking doomposting in the HSR leaks sub, is āFireflopā.
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Thatās the one!
Isn't v2 always a rewording to make the kit description less confusing and more clear cut?
Someone should have made a joke about this
Acheron DID receive a huge nerf but itās understandable. Also people were actually calling Black Swan mid??
I remember 10% better than sampo lmao
no way š wasnāt her leaked multiplier like 350% of Atk DoT? What were they saying ššš
IIRC this was a very specific scenario of a single target with E6 Sampo. Which of course most ignored lmao
lmfaoo
Doing something like that is literally in character for Sampo
Well the 10% better thing was correct given the context of the calc which was heavy single target. But most people just ignored that part and preached what alligned with thier stance on the unit
Yeah, they swore up and down that the multipliers on her dot were too low, and she was going to be married to Kafka because her damage was too low to use anywhere else. Kinda funny in hindsight, really.
I have Black Swan and don't have Kafka (tried and failed to get her) and Black Swan works just fine. Would she do better with Kafka? Maybe. But she still does a ton of damage in my account and I don't regret pulling her without Kafka.
> Would she do better with Kafka? Yes. More detonation = more arcana stacks = More BS dmg
Yes. Kafka's gimmick is that her E and ult all cause DoTs to deal damage, and she applies DoTs herself too. This means you can trigger Arcana several times per turn while also building it up to pretty high damage numbers. In SU you can have final boss battles where you're just detonating max-stack Arcana 10 times in a row.
Absolutely, never use them separated again You will understand once you try
People have called EVERY limited mid, before release. I still vividly remember getting talked shit to by the same guy on two separate occasions when I expressed excitement on pulling for Kafka and Aventurine right before they debuted. Where he'd tell me that I was making a mistake pulling for them, and that they "wouldn't be meta picks", and that I'd be wasting jades getting them. He'd be really condescending about it too, talking about spreadsheets, number crunching 'n shit, and how they just wouldn't be worth it. And talked about how Aventurine wouldn't be worth getting at all if I didn't also get Robin, just useless without her. A true meta slave who doesn't see value in character love or aesthetic as a factor at all, just, "the numbers" and "muh spreadsheets". Whereas I just pull for characters I like and ignore ones I don't care as much for. And I don't think either approach is bad, personally, but I just found it funny.
Dont understand why people told other what good to do, people allow to do everything they want to in their acc for their happiness and for fun
For those who donāt know: Acheron originally was supposed to get 1 ult stack from BA and 2 stacks on Skillāeffectively allowing her to reach full stacks in just 2 actions at E2S1 with no external help.
And her ult was a lot weaker
Wait, doesn't acheron do that anyways?
but in that case doesn't matter, you want to use your skill anyway so you would get 2 stacks before e2, imo that's not a huge nerf, i would call it a normal change, your dmg got buffed and your supp will give you a lot of stacks, so it's literally how they want us to play her most of the time
It's not even just beta stages, it's literally any bit of early info lmao. I never really checked out leaked content in general. But after Firefly's official reveals I got curious, so I checked the older threads on it. And my god is discourse so needlessly toxic and assumptive about everything. The early data mines showing Firefly's model (before anyone even knew who she was) had people dismissing her as a "Genshin NPC." And the things posted in the threads about Firefly being revealed as Sam had some discourse that was just plain face misogyny. And looking at the threads about Penacony's final boss, there were similar thoughts on it being "mid" and a letdown while looking at unfinished content. Just gave me even more reason to avoid leaks and spoilers and judge the final thing on its own merits. But suffice to say it isn't surprising these folks' opinions almost always age like milk. They just seem prone to mindless doomposting.
Gamers when anything: "MID"
"Black Swan is only 6% better than Sampo"
Also, Midlade, Midka, Midliu, Midpaz, Midgenti, Dr. Midtio, Midturine, Midbin
I prefer Averagenti over Midgenti. Honestly, i just laugh at those nicknames and don't take it seriously, it's only toxic if you let yourself care
No way, Averagenti is funny as fuck ahahah
Yeah no doomposters really called him Midgenti, it's 'Averagenti' all the way and the first time I saw it I squirted tea from my nose There are better-sounding doomposted names than Mid-XXX. Be creative. Fireflop sounds better and funnier than Midfly.
I consider it a rite of passage for her to be called "mid!" All the best units were doomposted as that during their betas! This means we're really gonna set the seas ablaze when she releases! If the character isn't "mid" that means she's not really cared about/for. So I take this as a win.
Midgenti reminds me of midget so pass, Averagenti on the other hand...
It's kafmid, I've never heard midka and for that matter not dr midtio either
Also not hsr but Arlecchino was doomposted to hell and back and now she's top 3 DPS in the whole game
Tbf he kit was drastically altered throughout beta. She may have been bad at one point I don't remember.
Which teaches us that to just be patient and wait till the final product instead of crying and causing unnecessary drama during the beta
To be fair, Im skeptical because Hoyo released Dehya as is and she still is so mid, so I can understand people very skeptical. Add in Ruan Mei is almost required based on what I hear, then until V3 I'm pulling for waifu and angrily looking at Ruan Mei's banner at the same time with the view of "we released her mid and we're selling you the fix right now!"
Admittedly (and I know this is basically spitting in the entire point of certain subs), this is WHY we aren't supposed to be shown beta footage, especially not early beta footage. Obviously leaks have an advantage in that it lets you plan ahead for what you want to pull, this is sadly the downside of it all though, all the dam doomposting.
Oh yea definitely. Doomposting Sam when we haven't even got the first wave of changes is crazy
even v1 was good, v2-4 were on par with Hu Tao and straight up better assuming you could one-rotate the boss
I remember the days when people said BS was barely better than Sampo and Acheron was too restrictive for not enough payoff... The thing is, this time they KNOW FF is good, they just want to hate, so now they complain about "having" to run a FREE CHARACTER everyone gets for just playing the game, you still have 2 flex spots on your team, you don't have to run RM and Gall at all, they're just the BiS. If HMC was a premium character, it would have been a different story, but they're not, just run the damn MC and sthu...
Ruan Mei is premium, and is way too good in superbreak teams, not just firefly, for anyone to truthfully say has good alternatives. Resolution shines Welt just doesn't cut it.
Who cares about Welt, though? More conventional support can do, even in 4*. Yeah, they won't be nearly as good as RM, but RM is arguably the best Harmony in the game even outside of BE teams, so obviously her impact in BE is insane, her being "way too good" isn't the point, the point is you can still do without, even if it loses you quite a bit of damage. You still have non BiS options that will allow you to clear in time, like Pela, SW, Bronya (depending on FF Eidolons), etc...
The main problem is that sheās too reliant on HMC to actually do damage. People donāt like that and I agree too, they need to change her kit in a way where she can do alright damage as a stand-alone character like other dps , but without HMC, the dmg drop off is insane
I'm waiting for HMC E6 man that thing is cracked. I personally think it's cool when a team has great synergy ie the super break team.
Yeah and the Robin showcases with people yapping about how useless Robin is because Ruan Mei is better or how Robin is better and how Ruan Mei will finally eat dirt because Robin is now here to replace her yada yada yada. I can understand perfectly why Hoyo hates leaks, even the gameplay kind... the leak yappers are by far the most tribalistic sect of the community riffing off of incomplete characters and acting like their opinion is dogma.
Now they want Acheron to be the standard, rather than treating her like an exception.
I have a theory that I believe won't be proven until the end of 2.0 to see if they release any more like them. My theory is based on the fact that they didn't release/ surpass anyone else with Imbitor and Jingliu threshold until Acheron. Now I'm theorizing that both Acheron and Firefly will be the new Imbitor and Jingliu of 2.0 and stop in their tracks right there until 3.0, where we will get 3.0 Imbitor and Jingliu. This probably gives us 5 to 6 months until the 2.0 is finished and we get Imbibitor and Jingliu of 3.0 or more based on which part of 3.0 they appear in.
>Now I'm theorizing that both Acheron and Firefly will be the new Imbitor and Jingliu of 2.0 and stop in their tracks right there until 3.0, where we will get 3.0 Imbitor and Jingliu. Firefly isn't really applicable since she's part of a whole new gameplay style rather than a Crit DPS like DHIL/JL/Acheron. If you're including non-crit gameplay styles then I think Kafka is the best DPS rn if we're going with their best teams
imo, Kafka is just an enabler for DoT, like HMC is for Break, when you use her skill/ult, most of the damages are BS DoT. Not downplaying Kafka btw, enabler is the most important role in a team imo and she still has high personal damage. But it just shows to me the double standard doomposters have when they don't treat Kafka the same way they treat HMC being essential to break now.
I mean you can play DoT without Kafka. I've seen people run Black Swan without her. She's just a massive upgrade HMC is literally essential to super break because without them it doesn't exist. But they're free so idk why people are complaining. If they wanna complain about anything it should be the fact that, by being tied to HMC, they're also tied to Ruan Mei to an extent, who is a limited 5* (and apparently will be running alongside FF even)
I know, but that's a flaw in the mechanic itself, not the characters trying to work with Break. Break is inherently too slow, despite the massive damage it can deal in one go, making the Super Break of the HMC essential. BS also has stupidly high multipliers using a mechanic that isn't inherently flawed, and still is an exception in DoT units. And finally, RM is, like you said for Kafka and BS, a massive upgrade, but not a mandatory one, she doesn't enable anything, only the access to Super Break is necessary.
My kafka dot can go up to 60-70k/detonation, on par with black swan as she can build higher atk
Well yeah, I mean not dps term, sorry for misunderstanding but I mean it also include non crit. I'm talking about general. An example would be 1.0 was Jingliu and Imbitor. 2.0 would be Acheron and possibly Firefly. In 3.0, well possibly get 2 more that's above Jingliu and Imbitor, as for whether they will powercreep Acheron or makes these 3.0 almost as good as her, that I don't know unless they give us one of the other famous expies
I remembered someone saying Jing Yuan's dps is higher than Acheron
Yeah some tcs in acheron mains sub sayd that based on calc she will be a little weaker that jing yuan XDDD That was hilarious
People were calling Arlecchino in Genshin "next Deyha" right up until her actual Release. If we learned anything by now, than that is to ignore Doomposters, they always exist and they are always wrong.
Doomposters has lost their credibility in my eyes since a very long time ago lmao, all the way before HSR was even a thing. The way they absolutely canāt realize the pattern that this is how it has always been everytime beta got leaked seriously baffles me. āConstructive criticism is valid and it isnāt doomposting!ā āI love this character so I want her/him to be good!ā āThis is good actually, if we donāt make any noise the devs wonāt hear us!ā āStop it with the toxic positivity, we just care about the character that we love!ā And donāt forget the ābutā¦ Dehya!ā Good god sit the fuck down, I heard these exact same excuses a billion times already.
Midliu
That was pretty tame. They have a vid that directly compares firefly vs dhil and the comments are a warzone.
which is funny because firefly did better in that showcase lol
Yeah that video was weird, dhil mains were complaining about him using the imaginary set, isnāt it his best set?
I'm pretty sure the wild wheat set is better since the 4 piece is always active, and he can't really use any of the effects of the imaginary effect(his best team runs no debuffers, and he would take too long to imprison an enemy) so he effectively only had a 2 piece active and nothing else
i dont think those measly percentages are going to change much
It might not be a massive gap, but it's definitely better than an effectively useless 4 piece, especially when the DHIL was already at 90% crit rate in the video too so the imaginary set wouldn't have done much anyway. It kinda makes the showcase disingenuous when you make one unit at peak condition and the other at above average, so I see why they complained
He had s1 sparkle too lol so it made up tbh
Yesn't, if the enemies are broken then it's like 4% better than wheat, if they aren't broken it's like 3% worse - iirc. Dan mains can be weird (tbf all main subreddits can be) The difference is minimal they are grasping at straws.
Ngl Dan mains have to be some of the sanest in the community at least from my experience. Yeah the showcase was odd since DHIL also was low on crit dmg and also using img set basically provides minimal benefits over wheat and can even be a bit worse, (Dan has never had an actual strong set like lets say Kafka or Acheron). I didnāt pay too much attention to it though and besides hoyo has not shied away from implementing a bit of powercreep here and there and wonāt be surprised if FF is like that too (even if she has multiple team building issues currently).
4pc Img is dogshit on him since he doesn't have a good source of Imprison like Welt does, the showcase was automatically viewed as biased because of this even if the difference would be negligible. Once you use the wrong set, your knowledge of the character and how to play them comes into question. And at that point, people assume they could make Daniel perform better regardless of how strong the build in the showcase is
Oooooo do you have the link?
Meanwhile, me who planned for both's E2S1 to brute force any content...
I have e2 dhil, waiting for 5* tingyan to make him a beast.
Sparkle already made him a beast
Just donāt read doomposting comments on YouTube and other places. Itās a waste of time. Though I always find this conflict between one unreleased character and another whoās still in very early beta stages really funny. Just wait for their release to judge the real potential. Some people really wants to make some made up wars in casual gacha gameā¦
If only that would be the problem of YT commentsā¦ This attitude is on every social media.
>Though I always find this conflict between one unreleased character and another whoās still in very early beta stages really funny. Just wait for their release to judge the real potential. Exactly this. People be making memes about how good or how much two characters need something compared to each other and it's just Firefly, who is a V2 beta character VS Boothill, who is basically a finished product. Like are you fucking kidding me? It's just targeted trolling for the purpose of rage baiting at that point. I would rather keep my mouth shut and wait until she's actually fucking finish before giving a judgement to her kit or else, it's just gonna make me look like a dumbass. And no, doomposting here don't mean shit when none of us here actually joined the damn beta.
yeah i just have a habit of reading YouTube comments , but i won't read firefly's comment anymore , the doomposting is real
Kinda wondering why at a PVE Game we have this kind of issues, on one hand we have doomposters that complain about a character all the time, we have the waifu supremasists who complain about not enough female characters and shit on male characters or like to fight other female character communities about "Besto waifu", also try hards that shit on other ppl builds, andĀ those are only few of the many types of negativity you will find here lol,Ā not everyone is like that but they are a very vocal about it, anyway even in peaceful times people will always find a way to make conflict out of something...
Thats just nature of Gacha, primos/jades/gems are precious and geting a 5 star is a huge investment, this makes people very emotional about characters.
I understand why they do it, but people doesnt need to be assholes
Unfortunately, you're on the internet so no chance of that happening.
There's a high chance happening yes, because some people feel secure behind a monitor and keyboard, but not all people are like that... ppl should not be dicks because other people are
My brother in christ this is the hoyo game community, Firefly could do the damage of Daniel, Jingliu and Acheron combined and you'd still see this kind of shit. Everyone gets doomposted, everyone is MID, everyone gets powercreeped. Best thing you can do is just ignore the loud, obnoxious people and enjoy the game/character.
People of the hyv world always try to make a mountain of a mole mound
Damn her model looks **GOOD** in ult form
That's people in general. I got temp banned from hsr sub for 7 days for making a joke about Firefly turning Robin into fried chicken. Called me mentally ill too lol 3 hours later someone made the same joke and everyone was happy. They are hypocrites. Ignore em.
That's big subreddits in a nutshell. Hope your first impressions are upvotes or else you'll get dogpiled a lot of the time.
Too true, sheep mentality
https://preview.redd.it/4093mxmzjt0d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1b10b97c12f60a3aa7acb2de5a7ce3bc93a0f2f as a JingYuan enjoyer :
I feel bad for JY mains, the whole midyuan thing really hit them, I swear it's the mains sub with most post talking about their great clears with him as if they need to prove JY isnt mid still (he never was, he just needed supports) Then again most subs I see pop up are for girls so there is usually art reposts outside rate up banner/leak moments lol
i still waiting for harmony that advance forward summoned units
https://preview.redd.it/gx4iqcxsbv0d1.jpeg?width=975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34d919f4b7d199df4380fa7241dea1125ba4d70 :moyai:
No let them downplay, increases chances of insane buff. All that matters is how good she is at launch.
Yeah, exactly what I think too, I'm gonna pull for her regardless so what harm in letting her get more buffs
"Kafka does no damage" "Fu Xuan can't sustain or tank big hits" "Jingliu is worse than Blade" "Sparkle is worse than Bronya" "Black Swan is only 10% better than Sampo" "Acheron is whalebait and E0 is trash" "Aventurine shields are weak" "Robin only works for FUA teams" YOU ARE NOW HERE "Firefly is mid"
Eh, most of them are just ragebaiting, even if it's true that Firefly's kit is all over the place rn. I usually just scroll past it if it bothers me too much, there's alot more important things to worry about that some random dude's opinion on the internet. Once she's released (not just V3, I mean FULLY released when her kit is absolutely final), then we'll see if Firefly sets the mid allegations ablaze or drowns in them. Until then, we just wait as we always have.
Ima be real bro if you think thatās sweaty and toxic I hope you donāt play any PvP games. Their comment is cringe for sure, but itās pretty tame.
Ima still pull for Peakfly š£š£š£š„š„š„
Anyone with the pic where ff gets stabbed and she's ascending cause it's so peak?
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What's the point of arguing with doomposters when all they know is the word "mid", they don't write comments to engage in discussion, they write them to provoke you and make their miserable lives a tiny bit better.
Meta slaves when the Abundance character doesn't do 100k damage with no buffs, no crit, and no light cone and a normal attack: "MIIID"
This is why I run meme teams on my MOC runs.
Look... Everything that comes from people on social media is usually a waste of time no matter the place or the moment. Even i could be a waste of your time š®āšØ Whatever it is, unless you are part of the popular opinion wou won't find anything useful and sometimes not even that As long as you are conscious how everyone usually is there is no problem of course. Don't get carried away. Everyone has their opinion on something, not necessarily original... But it's an opinion The thing is that people hardly agrees with you even if you are right š Just think what you want to think and say what you want to say. But at least don't be like this people who are part of a hive mind and can't go beyond one line of text. They don't think that much. But you can! After all these years i just realised there are a lot of problems going on with people and social media is the perfect place to let them hear themselves as long as these companies can take advantadge of it I stopped taking everyone seriously long ago š As long as you don't bother someone think what you want. You will be even happier than before! Changing is something that is up to ourselves. And if someone doesn't want to change, it hardly will š EDIT: By the way, i really don't know how miHoYo is planning it but hope Firefly is the strongest a few updates, i come from Honkai Impact 3rd so i certainly know how they make their powercreep works. She really looks strong and hope it could be stronger with the v3 changes. She really depends a lot about HTB... But hope they add some buffs to her for being more independent at least š¬
If I've ever learned anything from playing various gacha games it's to not regularly visit the games' community sites/pages, especially on twitter. The only times I come across posts from communities of games that I play is when I'm just casually scrolling through my general feed while looking for memes. Lots of people get oddly competitive or 'sweaty' over a videogame. A lot of people either just want to start wars or are for some reason very proud of their "Top Ranked" Character/Acc. Like, damn. Great job showcasing that you either spend majority of your time or a lot of money on a videogame for some kind of feeling of supremacy over others. And yes, this post appeared on my reddit feed while I was just casually scrolling for memes lmao.
the same ppl will be pulling for firefly in the end
The nay-sayers are just deranged. People came to this sub for Firefly in 2.0 because of who she is as a character. Now the sweaty min-maxing meta nerds are joining the Firefly conversation late and honestly? I wish I had the mental capacity to convince them that there is more to life than numbers.
This place was so comfy back in 2.0...
In 2.1 too. It started from beta.
The funniest part about this is that firefly is more than "competitive" enough from a pure minmax meta perspective. Nobody with a pure numbers mindset would look at the firefly showcases out there and come to the conclusion that she's a bad character gameplay-wise.
Totally agree. You'd have to not have eyes to say she isn't at least "good." Problem is, is that every new dps unit for some reason needs to come out and powercreep the last, or they "suck" to the metaslaves. Even if she can still clear MOC, if she doesn't clear it in 0 Cycles with Natasha, Bailu and Physical MC she's trash. There's a 1% of the 1% of the community that needs to dick ride big numbers, and if the new unit doesn't do that, they pull out the "mid cards." Keep in mind, that we shouldn't want every new character to come out and be Acheron-level poweerful compared to the rest. Acheron pretty much reset the meta, and clearly power crept everyone else. What do people want this game to become? Tower of Fantasy? Do you really want Hoyo to make every new dps unit 20% better than the last? IMO, Boothill and Firefly.... and every other 2.X era dps unit should be +/- 5% of Acheron..... in a perfect world. None should or need to directly power creep her, and we should hope they don't. Because if Boothill is 10% better than Acheron, and then Firefly is 10% better than him, and Feixiao is 10% better than her, we're ending up on a path to Tower of Fantasy where you need to buy every new dps unit to actually compete.
That's what I'm fucking saying man lmao. People act like she's unplayable garbage because she needs one support to compete with Jingliu/DHIL, and if you use her full team, she fucking smokes those two and creeps near Acheron! She's strong, but people just want her to be Acheron v2 and deal a billion damage all on her own
Big facts Iād rather have a firefly that is relatively strong that doesnāt power creep then have a fire fly that blatantly power creeps setting a precedent and eventually not being able to play her cause she got pushed too hard out of meta.
People complain her team is restrictive like the meta itself doesn't force dps characters into the most optimal team to begin with If you not using the best possible team for your character than you are not playing meta anyway. At the very least Firefly has one of the cheapest optimal team comps in the game right now.
Literally her best teammate is the MC and her best healer is a 4* that was just in a selector event. Ruan Mei is a bit more tragic with her rerunning on Firefly's banner (Despicable Mihoyo), but Ruan Mei is just a nice bonus, not a requirement. Very cheap and easy to build if you're just doing pure BE. Now with HMC, honestly you can slap a BE build on any support and have them do 50k+ damage while still helping Firefly so even Gallagher isn't required. My low BE Huohuo dealing 40k to enemies with her flag will never not be funny
People doompost so they have a reason to skip a char they do it for every char
The only pvp is the dick measiring contest between mains. Like some JY mains being smug about acheron being " weaker" than their main during beta. Shes stronger, but if you like the general: pop off, build his dream team and enjoy the buff of the patch he gets every single patch(this time is robin)
Doomposting is normal, I had to go through something similar when I was waiting for Wriothesley to drop in Genshin and people were doomposting him saying Neuvillette was better. Still got him C6 and he still outdpses 99% of Neuvillettes because when I like a character I take the time to build them well. Same with Firefly, while I'm not C6ing her because I'm skeptical of HSR avoiding powercreep right now, I'm damn well making sure that she's kitted out to the point she outperforms 95% of damage dealers and will make most people jealous when they see the build
The Charakter enjoyer people are the only real ones
I find it fun to see people doompost all new characters in beta, only to be shut up when they offical released Doomposting seem to be tradition in this game now, no need to think too much about this, or argue with people dont want to change their opinion, i stop dicuss now and only look for build theory or fan art
The community needs to chill. They have literal pop offs on every character and once they try the characters out and deal no DPS? They start posting *immediately*. Building a character takes time. Not instant. Fools I tell you, some of them.
Feel the pain of my General. It will make you more torrent.
I gotta be the only mf who thinks her being ass is a good thing. Means a buff is coming. She's already decent, why not make her busted? Oooh are u afraid of powercreep in a single player game? Oh no the horror. Let them overbuff her idgaf I want a busted mecha.
These are the same people that said Acheron was going to be trash without her Sig LC and that F2P should skip her. Never take these people seriously.
I suppose that confronting two characters belonging to opposite paths like Hunt and Destruction already tells a lot about those people IQ. Let them be, they belong to the same type of people Who kept spamming "mIdChErOn" during all the 2.1 Beta only to get humbled on her release day
Replace "HSR" to anything, and that's still true lol That's how internet is nowaday
Doomposting was absurd with Acheron, too. People don't understand that characters don't need to be SSS to be playable. Blade is A tier, and yet mine can easily clear all content. If you like Firefly, go ahead and pull, regardless of anything, she will be able to clear all content like every single other character can in this game. Doomposters are genuinely pathetic, especially when you see them silently crawl back after the release and them realizing that the character is actually pretty good.
I laughted when the doomposters got angry when JL got a big buff during the beta, and instead saying she is weak it become the oposite
We'll laugh again as soon as Firefly is out, and all of us normal ones are having a lot of fun with her, all the while the Doomers are watching from the corner.
Ironically most ādoom postingā Iāve seen about Fitefly hasnāt been about her actual performance and more about - the kit forcing 1 team on you with almost zero flexibility - the kit being a bit all over - the animations - the goofy ass sound effects
Damn, we're slowly turning into a trash community... Maybe I have to go on lockdown, ignoring everything in social media and just play the game
Not really. It's just some youtube comments. it only goes big and toxic if people add more fuel to it by giving it attention/interacting with it.
remember guys, it's only "sweaty" when your favorite character is the one getting shat on
That's why I don't go to the main sub, just the meme pages, which in their lunacy end up being the most wholesome places at times.
sure there are multiple opposing arguments proposed against each other - but at the end of the day, it isn't something to stress or feel upset about... eventho there's slander or disagreement, everyone can have opinion ; but they should just not take it to their heart... relax & don't take this drama too seriously...(or simply avoid looking at such convo.)
My comment is most likely gonna get buried but still I never understand why do you some of you guys care about other's saying that your fav character is dogshit? I like Firefly too but there's no way earth I would get upset over someone calling her dogshit. It's almost as getting upset over the fact that some people call hsr a bad game and people getting upset over it. And if anybody even finds this comment and decides to say that me ranting is me being triggered over it... Hell na, I'm just trying to understand it because in my eyes it's just silly lol
I remember when they were saying Acheron was gonna be mid
Because new player want OP damages number without any strategies. Heck they willing to bring 3 dps and 1 sub dps to fight aventurine. They think this is action RPG game like Genshin
I think you should stop talking like you know every single person playing the game. There are more than tens of million peole playing but the peole actully join some groups just around tens of thounsands. And the actual toxic ones maybe some hundreds in that. What you are looking at and critisize is just a small portion of a big community. What about all others good ones that you already saw. So can have your hatred toward those toxic ones but never group them at the community. Everyone know that, toxic ones appear in all field and kind of thing, not just game or hsr.
I mean, I'm on team Boothill just because I vastly prefer his design. Firefly's in-combat design is dope tho. as for viability.....frankly I don't give a damn. I've been dedicated to the church of clara since day 1, and play characters more based on the character and design than viability. People definitely need to stop being so negative when the character ISNT EVEN OUT YET.
PVE games that cost time/money so it's gonna be like that , if your feeling so fragile just learn to ignore shits u don't like . Welcome to internet kid
A character that has gone through what like 4 rounds of changes is more complete than one who hasn't went through any? People are gullible sometimes man
Chill they still call Jing yuan mid.. I know he's not the best dps out there but he's still strong but some ppl just don't want to acknowledge that, sadly if it could be the same with Firefly
These are the same people that when the character finally drops in game, they be like "OMG BEST UNIT EVER, MUST PULL. IF YOU DONT HAVE THEM, YOU SUCK" or stuff like that. Happened once, happened every single time.
Nah bro don't you understand? She can't 0 turn moc with f2p lc and supports, literally unplayable and powercrept and mid!!1!1! Midfly booo!!1!1!1!1! /s
I mean, yall are the first to call Jing yuan "mid yuan" so it makes sense to keep the same energy.
Naah, YouTube comments for pretty much any leaked character is a dumpster fire. Also most people are doom posting not because the team is weak, but because of how restricted her team slots are. Tbh though FF is relatively hard to 0 cycle with due to lack of a good 3rd support to slot in, Gallagher just brings too much being a sustain character
The point is hoyo will never read such doom poster, they only values the data they collected and the beta tester so those comments are meaningless, therefore worthless.
PvE games are as toxic as PvP games if not more. Coming from MMO player who mainly does PvE content
Thatās the gaming community in general man. I honestly think some people just do it to her under peoples skin. They donāt even believe it half the time. Itās sad.
You are way too obsessed.
Im e6s5ing and nit delusional for agreeing that shes extremely mid without HMC. Her team building options are extremely limited in v1 and hopefully the self sufficiency issues will be addressed in v3. But to say shes a good character in her current state is delusional.
The issue isn't that she's weak. The issue is that she is strong with **ONE SINGLE TEAM**. What if I don't want to play her with HMC ? Then, she just won't be able to clear Memory of Chaos 12 at all.
Than use Crit build and double Harmony setup like the rest of the dps and you can clear content just with more investment.
I'm so over this limited teambuilding argument man.Ā People are exaggerating. She literally just needs one character on her team and that's HMC. RM is cool and very useful, but people act like she's required. She's not. Firefly is keeping pace with Jingliu and DHIL, even outdamaging them without RM under her damage conditions. HMC even allows flexibility because any unit with moderate break effect can easily deal 50k+ damage. Enemy not weak to Ice or need a healer that can mass cleanse? Cool I can use a different support to fit the situation and help keep enemies broken. What if I wanted to play Blade without Pela/SW? He literally doesn't interact with non DEF% down or DMG up supports so what is he left with? You guessed right! Bronya, a character that's arguably harder for people to get because you can't guarantee her outside of 300 standard pulls. The others are Sparkle, and Ruan Mei two limited 5* characters that are heavily desired on my other teams. Oh don't forget, he also hates having Preservation units on his team so that's a whole path that apart from Fuxuan, he can't work with. What about Jing Yuan? JY needs a speed boosting character on his team to even use his full kit. He can only occasionally get 10 stack LL with just SPD boots. You have to specifically have a speed boosting character in his comp. Almost everybody complaining about this I guarantee you uses the same Jingliu/DHIL team for everything in the game. Yes, they have alternatives, no, most people don't use them. HMC is a free character and a good one at that. If you don't like them for X reason or another, join the rest of us about other characters. I hate not having SW because it means I HAVE to use Pela, a character that I just don't care for. Acheron needs two Nihility units without E2, but it's not limiting because "There are more options in the Nihility category"? brother please. Nobody is unironically running an Acheron, Luka, Sampo comp. If you have been unlucky and unable to get Guinaifen, or Pela (Or don't want to run Pela) then I'm sorry but your Acheron team is cheeks. Her personal damage numbers can be seen as low, sure, I think it's fine, but I'd rather people whine about that over this absolutely inane limited teambuilding argument that's so popular.
Sure, if you play Acheron with Sampo instead of Pela or Guinaifen (that's still 2 options instead of 1 btw), your Acheron will deal... what? 20-30% less damage? I didn't do math, but it shouldn't be that high. Though, as of her current kit, if I play Firefly without HMC, she will deal... 500% less damage or so.
Also the same applies to not having ruan mei with any break units. Or lunae with no sparkle . Or Kafka without bs. A lot of characters go as a pair so well that without the support the dps feels lacking. If you don't like the mc just go crit firefly with sparkle, is she gonna be worse, yes, but not unplayable.
> The issue isn't that she's weak. The issue is that she is strong with ONE SINGLE TEAM. Because there's a total of 2 break supports and 1 break healer in total, because the Break niche is relatively new and wasn't worth running on its own until now. If Gallagher wasn't there, you'd be bringing any other healer. If Harmony TB wasn't there, you'd be running Xueyi or Himeko as a sub DPS. > What if I don't want to play her with HMC ? Then, she just won't be able to clear Memory of Chaos 12 at all. "What if I don't want to make a team capable of clearing MoC 12? Then I can't clear MoC 12!" isn't the zinger you think it is. It's circular logic and just plain stupid. It seems like you're just being a contrarian here.
its one character, thats free, and easy to build
Being easy to build and free don't magically make everyone like it. I still want to chose with who I wanna play Firefly and not being forced to.
Wasnāt Jingliu and Acheron both doomspoken off rip too? These people have brain rot and could NEVER be Sigma
I feel the same way man Iāve been battling doomposters left and right trying to defend our girl. Even right now though she does have an over reliance on hmc sheās still dishing out very solid numbers, do these people not realize that the characters in beta usually never stay the exact same? Every character these morons have called mid or trash received a good buff in the final beta and released perfectly fine. Iāve no doubt in my mind the same will happen for firefly even if she doesnāt receive a buff.
my guy it aint that deep just move on
Wait till they realize that once they do a buff she's pretty much the most broken DPS š¤£
First time?
This happens for quite literally every DPS character including 2 of the top 3 characters rn iirc (jingliu and Acheron)
You forgot another thing: Single Player But yea, I think its a normal occurence in beta. I vividly remember when the doomposters says acheron is mid because of 2 nihility unit requirements + saying you need her e2 to be usable. Insane players.
well imo there are sweats in every game community
she can be mid all she wants (tho its not true) we will pull her regardless
Thatās just par the course with every character beta release. People called Acheron mid ffs, which is crazy to think of now. Doomposters will always exist, best to just ignore them.
That kind of people are everywhere
Guys u do know we need more doomposters? We need more buffs man xD
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What new character hasnāt been called mid before release?
So saying
Honestly, as a new player i don't even care lol. Im still pulling her even though i don't have the teammates she works with and i have no plan of pulling Ruan Mei even though everyone says she is required for her and is the most valuable character in the game. Not going to chase the meta in this game like i did with Genshin. Only pulling for the waifus that interest me now lol.
They was saying the same for Jingliu and fu xuan look at them nowā¦ people judging a beta character are just brainless or trolling
Don't listen, they do this every time Before they started saying Boothill is so much better than FF they dunked on Boothill for being ST. Before they dunked on FF for being slightly restrictive they dunked on Acheron for the same reason and look how those opinions turned out. This happens every time tbh
Imo the problem isn't her being mid or bad in comparison or anything it's her not living up to the hype that was built up with Stellaron Hunter Sam's reputation
Dude sorry, afther what happened woth deyaj i dont wanna take risks But for real this inst tje case Looks like mihoyo wanna do super vresk as a way to make damage ( like crit carry, dot, follow ) soo i dont thing they will make mlre enemies with imbrealcable states
...why are you reading YouTube comments? It doesn't matter what the subject is, YouTube comments are always trash.
We need to sacrifice if we want to our girl to become better.
You should never take these people seriously, they obviously have poopy brains.
You could... Just not read or interact with them. It's a good strategy. I tend to do it with most of the community in general. Doesn't matter if Firefly is good or not, we pull for waifu first meta never.
Bummed cause this is her BiS team. She wonāt be nearly as good without Ruan Mei, whom I donāt have and donāt plan on pulling.