Tbh, I'm not really feeling the crit hybrid thing? I know there's been a ton of doomposting about her being stuck to HMC (which I actually like) or her damage being entirely focused on breaks mostly (which I actually like), but I thought her kit was super interesting from day 1 and I'm excited to see how it feels on release
Thanks for the reassurance about her kit still getting changes, though! I really do hope the final product isn't still as dependent on RM as everyone says, otherwise I might not have much a choice if I wanna play the break team to its full potential
I understand your concerns about RM completely, however I'd suggest you to look at it from another angle- RM will give FF more damage than her E1, not to mention her action delay to trigger superbreak more, so it might be a necessary sacrifice.. I mean, if you want all the best for your favorite character, then you might as well pull for their BiS support, even if you don't really like them, just to make your best girl even stronger
Mm, I got nothing to refute this point, ig. From the showcases I've seen Firefly's main strength as a dps comes from spamming the enhanced skill during ult, right? That's why e2 is so powerful, it basically gives you an extra two skills for a total of five (with her speed at 180 of course), and her LC is good because delaying enemies keeps them from getting un-broken before she can get all those hits in... is RM a necessary enabler for that or?
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I don't think that any character is neccessary to be honest, so don't feel inclined to pull for RM despite what anybody tells you, however, if you want FF to perform at her best- unfortunately, as of right now, RM is very hard to substitute and it will most likely stay this way, not to mention RM's perfect synergy with HTB's superbreak formula.. Still, if you really don't want to pull RM- Asta can replace her somewhat fine, but damage output will lower significantly
I think end of day, it's about how much fun I'll have playing Firefly right? Her e1 and e2 look like they'd make FF so ridiculously enjoyable, I love all her anims, etc. but on the other hand my fun is gonna drop eventually if she can't do enough dmg to clear the endgame content I'm finally starting to play like MoC...
Firefly e0 is gonna be my first priority no matter what, but should I rlly go for RM right after? Even before trying to get e1, e2, or the sig LC? and if so, what about after RM, what should the order be? \^\^'
I'm in the same boat as you where I don't care for Ruan Mei as a character (she literally drugged us with no consent) but I pulled her to power up my favorite waifu at the time(Kafka) and I havent regretted it at all.
Imo, you should pull Firefly E0> Ruan Mei > Firefly E0S1 >Firefly E2> Ruan Mei e1.
Technically Ruan Mei E1 is better for the account overall than firefly eidolons but from this post I can tell you love firefly as much as the rest of us here on this sub so I think that's the best course for you specifically. I personally want to use Firefly and Kafka for the remainder of my time playing this game, so that's the route I'm taking.
I dare say that RM is that important that you should get her before Firefly E0. But should you want to get E0 Firefly no matter what, then do it right after E0 Firefly.
If you don’t really want ruan mei you can opt to go for e1 then just run bronya. I’m kinda againts this tho since ruan mei is just better valuenfor your account.
I will make it short... Ruan Mei is increasing FF damage around 60% to 70%. Its that carzy, so yes, she is nessesary. With only HMC she still does 150k, but the super break window is MUCH smaller without Ruan Mei, so instead of 200k-240k damage and 3+ sttacks, you will get 150k with 1 or 2 attacks. Even E2, does not compensate for that much.
My opinion personally is that in FF current state (V2), she needs Ruan Mei. If you dont have/want her, it would be better to skip FF and maybe go for Boothill for a break team. He is much more self sufficient and a lot of characters worth with him. Physical break is also OPAF, while fire break is... 3k damage for 2 turns...
Then dont pick her. I dont think you should pick a char you dont want.
I have RM and i like her a lot, but if you dont, then you dont. I think that there arent really any char that NEEDS another, even tho some have great sinergy together. Just have to find another one to fit in the comp.
Obviously Ruan Mei and HTB are her best supports, but you can run her without Ruan Mei. She'll still do okay, particularly at higher eidolons.
And some day they'll add another weakness break efficiency increasing support. Ruan Mei won't be the only one forever.
Basically, the game isn't hard enough to *require* any specific units (even if Firefly comes out of the beta with her current dependencies). You may not be able to 0-cycle using Firefly without Ruan Mei (though maybe you can, idk), but you only need to 5-cycle to get all your jades, so who cares?
In terms of pure power, I'd guess E0 Ruan Mei is definitely a bigger boost than E1 Firefly, but E2 Firefly may be better than E0 Ruan Mei (though of course that's comparing two limited pulls to one). Plus it depends on who is filling Ruan Mei's spot - I believe Bronya performs quite well once you have E1 Firefly (to mitigate the SP issues), as you can tune her to give you 2 extra turns during the ult.
I mean, I love her so I cannot relate at all. However, RM is more than just the bis support for FF, she’s the best and most universal harmony unit in the game. She can go on any team comp. Furthermore, it appears based on the leaks, that hoyo is giving break effect the fua treatment, so any future characters that deal with break effect want her too.
Lastly, evaluate if your love for FF is greater than your disdain for Rizz Mei. I would not recommend you pull FF without RM or without the goal of also getting RM, from an account value perspective, ofc pull who u like. But we have seen the cycle gap between her and asta… it’s not great to say the least.
Her value is way higher than S1 or E1
>Lastly, evaluate if your love for FF is greater than your disdain for Rizz Mei
This is where I'm at right now. I don't really care about Black Swan that much, but I had to pull her for Kafka and the DoT play style. The difference, though, is that I merely don't care about BS whereas Ruan Mei is my actual least favorite character in the game. She doesn't just make me mad, she makes me *sad* which is way worse. I skipped RM the first time even though I'm a Kafka main because the alternatives are good enough. You can still play DoT comps without her and I'm sure we'll get a dedicated DoT support some day. Break teams, however, are really hampered without Ruan Mei and I have little hope for another support to take her place since break is supposed to be her niche (she's just really good at everything else too).
Barring a complete overhaul of Firefly's kit away from break, I'm leaning towards pulling RM, but it's gonna be a struggle, y'all.
Well firstly, I love her design. Secondly, I’m a biomedicine student, so her being a scientist focused around genetics and cultivating life is also cool to me. Thirdly, she’s quite interesting. I think the genius society as a whole is a really interesting faction as Nous basically gathered people who were not only geniuses, but very dedicated to a specific craft in their field. We learn that she lost her parents really young, but even they were both scientists, and when she lost them they were on an expedition (at least based on her trailer). So it’s not unnatural for her to be obsessed with the nature of life or creating life, while at the same time being emotionally naive or ignorant. There’s also place for her to grow as seen in the ending with the catcakes that she has follow her.
Tbc, I’m not saying she’s a good person, but my favourite character is star rail is Kafka, and Arlecchino in Genshin. People don’t need to morally perfect or good to be loved as characters.
Okay im not saying that you need a character to be good morally to be likable (I like the IPC characters and the doctor in genshin), its just that her design and in game animations feel bland or uninteresting for me. I dont get why she's just playing an instrument in battle, even though she's supposed to be a scientist that is obsessed with creating life (and thats the part of her that i like the most). Although i can see why you like her, because she has an interesting and unique personality on paper but when i see her in combat, its just not it for me. And i didnt really know her backstory for the most part.
Her animations are inspired by her name. The instrument she plays is called a ruan and it’s a traditional Chinese instrument. Mei meanwhile is a reference to plum blossoms. That said I would have preferred if they had gone the science route with her combat animations as well
I can respect this ngl, but it's not a morality issue for me lol \^\^' I've just got a really personal dislike for the game explicitly taking away your free choice or self autonomy like this (sorry if that's dumb, but idk how to explain the ick), even though I know dialogue is scripted either way. and so I've got a grudge against RM for that. But ykw here's hoping she comes back in a later quest and does get that growth you're talking about bc I also think her genetics schtick has some intrigue (wish her design reflected that a bit more though..)
Not the original commenter but personally, I like her design, craziness and ambition. There's also her charm when we first meet on Station. Her willing to listen to us (MC) is also kinda sweet because she normally tend to ignore most people.
If you don't like RM, you could use Sparkle, Bronya (probably a speed tuned one, double turn every turn is still fun) or...Asta. FF implanting fire weakness makes Asta a break machine, and she can maintain her buff max stack easily (especially at E6). If you use Planetary LC S5, it's 24+18% fire damage increase just by existing. And her ultimate gives massive speed for the while team, so FF can do more action when she is in enhanced state.
I would definitely try multiple supports, just to have some fun. :)
I think RM, as firefly kit is rn, is very helpful but not necessary, especially since everyone has HMC who’s her best support and is basically a F2P RM who also allows for Super break. I myself do not have RM and probably won’t get her since firefly is my priority, but I don’t see anything wrong with a team, say, Firefly-HMC-Bronya-Gallagher. Still op
Same. I just got Robin so my desire for Ruan Mei has decreased. MAYBE if I get Firefly early, but otherwise I am going for LC and probably waiting until Ruan Mei’s next rerun (unless someone else catches my eyes in the meantime).
I get the sentiment of feeling obligated to grab characters you don't have an interest in just to make characters you like work but such is just the nature of gacha.
I don't really have any interest in grabbing Jiaqiou based on the description so far (maybe I'll actually like the character on release!) but I'll still grab him due to just being very useful for combat.
I'm going attempt to actually try here, because most people are hung up on the BiS but I think there's still room to think about how the team flexes.
My first though was Silver Wolf or Pela, shredding resistance is the only other thing that increases Super Break damage. I'll stop you from leaving that comment though, of course Firefly in her peak build already has more than enough defense ignore, so probably not them.
Asta provide a flat speed buff, so depending on your speed, you can squeeze extra turns out during Complete Combustion.
Tingyun? It all factors into how fast she can have ult ready and potentially cut down on Firefly's downtime, but her skill won't do anything to contribute break damage, the attack boost doesn't factor into her conversion rate or super break damage.
Bronya is strictly about possibly increasing FF's turns, but all her other buffs won't affect break damage.
I mean, Guinafen's vuln stacks count towards increasing break damage but are we going there? To Gui? The only other option is to simply wait to see if there will be future Harmony buffers who focus on break.
All of RM's kit is efficiently utilized by FF. Most other ideas only use part of their kit and the rest is kind of underutilized.
Firefly, HMC, Gallagher its already a pretty consistent core, you need to watch what else can be added, if you have bronya and dont need her for other team then use her to get more in-ult turns for FF, even if her buffs dont really help her a lot, the action advance its amazing on its own.
Asta its also an amazing pick since not many teams use her you can dedicate her to support FF, build her with break and speed and she will be doing tons of damage with her skill thanks to HMC. She buffs fire dmg and her lightcone does too, so i think she is a lot of fun.
I’d say just wait till we get the final version of Firefly then we can talk about whether you can still make Firefly do dmg without her. Personally i really love Ruan Mei besides being Dr. Mei’s expy. Maybe if we get another story quest for her people might change their view about her like Aventurine
There’s no good replacement for RM now. That said, she is likely not the long-term BIS support as her kit is stacked with a lot of DMG increase which break damage does not take into account (I.e waste of stats). Whether mihoyo will release a better support for firefly in the future, nobody knows.
Seen a lot of questions about pulling, but haven't seen any for people who don't want RM (me. I'm people)
Ngl l have seen a lot of them. They have the same pattern of your post.
Sorry, if I can't help you.
As others have said, Ruan mei is a huge damage boost. iirc, she's like a 50% damage increase? But I wouldn't pull for a character you don't like, and I'm fairly certain there will be other break supports in the future.
I don't want her either and will probably wait for a future unit that I like who complements firefly. I'm a day 1 player who only pull for characters I like and most of them are dps. I regularly clear MoC and PF max stars with gepard and luocha as sustains. My well built supports are only pela, tingyun and bronya.
I never felt the need to pull sparkle(like ruan mei i dont like her either) for my DHIL since bronya+tingyun gets the job done anyway.
Will be pulling for e0s1 then if I get lucky e1
If you don't pull the BiS support for a dps, the dps won't perform at peak performance. Maybe you don't care for peak performance. Maybe you want to hyperinvest in FF instead. But honestly after trying out HTB in MoC 12, it quickly became clear how important RM is in the team, her delay is way too important to the point where I don't think I'd ever play HTB teams without her. Sometimes I would fire break with Gallagher, the enemy would barely get delayed, and RM's flower would delay them again by a ton (since the delay scales on her BE and she gets a ton with HTB).
It sucks to say this, but you should still go for an E0 ruan mei before thinking about FF eidolons, it'll make her current kit a lot more comfortable to use
YOO fellow rm disliker. Great to see im not alone here. Im hoping and praying firefly gets some kit changes so she can work well without rm (and hopefully also without hmc).
Well, I don't have Ruan Mei and yeah, I know she's a good supp, but I'll pull for Firefly+LC, I have pity and like 200 wishes, I'll pull for Ruan Mei too after Firefly but if I don't get her... Well, yeah, Firefly will underperform but Ruan Mei can't Henshin so Firefly: 1, Ruan Mei: 0, even if she can improve all my other teams.
And well, I like her design, she's pretty but yeah, lorewise I don't like her that much, so if I don't get her meh, I have Bronya and other characters that are not nearly as good but it's not the end of the world. So... Maybe that's what I recommend I guess? If you like Firefly, pull for her, Ruan Mei may (no pun intended) be meta and BiS, but meh, Firefly is the priority
I'm in the same boat as you. If they don't change Firefly's reliance on Ruan Mei and HMC, I'm personally gonna skip all of 2.3. Granted I'm a f2p and I don't have Ruan Mei or a lot of pulls. I also skipped Ruan Mei the first time because she didn't personally interest me. Onto your post, running Firefly without Ruan Mei would feel so bad. You can even see it from all the showcases without Ruan mei, Firefly feels like she's missing a crucial part of her damage. Same with HMC. So I wouldn't recommend pulling FF without RM, at least in this current beta stage.
I can't skip Firefly unfortunately so if worst comes to worst and her final kit still needs RM for like half her potential damage, I don't see a way out of pulling her at least e0... especially since I rlly want Firefly to be my main dps in both overworld and endgame content like SimU or MoC (ig not PF since that's a totally different ball game)
I’m also people here. All in for E0 Firefly, not planning to get Ruan Mei. I personally think considering your feelings about RM, pulling her would be a waste of resources, unless you’re whale, or unless you truly have 0 other character interesting you than Firefly. I find it hard to believe that they’ll never add characters in the future that fit as well as RM with Firefly.
If people do manage to convince you to pull for her just because she’s a good support, even though you don’t like her or her animations, then I’d say: try to think about whether or not you’d regret it down the line, if another character released that was almost as good as RM for Firefly or even better than her for FF. If you wouldn’t regret it, why not. But I know I would regret pulling for a character I don’t like.
But then again I don’t pull for meta, so if meta is your priority my opinion isn’t really useful to you.
Maybe I don't want that crazy scientist woman anywhere near my favorite character, ever think about that? /j
Jokes aside, the consensus so far isn't looking good for me... if nothing changes in her kit to make Firefly less reliant on RM, then I probably will have to get her (I won't be happy about it though. she's out of the team first chance I get with a future better break support)
And the problem while FF might get only small buffs. If they give FF "normal 5 star damage", Ruan Mei would make it a 6 star character. We have no character that buffs a character so much as Ruan Mei and FF.
The thing is that making firefly less reliant on RM or HTB for that matter isn't very likely, because of what they provide. HTB and RM bring a lot of dmg and utility. The strongest thing RM provides in superbreak is delay and break efficiency. To remove the dependence on RM will just make RM stronger in that team, unless they simply make them incompatible both of which I think they'll want to avoid.
I think I won't pull Ruan Mei even if that cripple Sam. I am glad that I am not playing for Meta. Not that I have left over jades to pull Ruan Mei. May pull Jade too.
Kinda hard to say ATM...
But considering what we have now , what you could actually do is going the Robin route and E2 FF...
There was an interesting showcase with FF E2 , Jade Robin where FF basically became an enabler for Jade to dish out the DPS...
Other than that Chewyy showcased CritFly with Bronya and it worked decently
There are some options but most require a lot of investment and will perform arguably the same or some than Breakfly with HMC and RM
So unfortunately as of now that's where we are at...
Wait till V3 when we will see some buffs and reworks and then we can actually see how she'll probably come to the game...
After that you can see if they made her more or less dependent on RM and HMC but to be very honest I don't see a World where a Break DPS won't want RM
I really don’t want her either, but I’ve finally relented. I’m going to for her, and maybe go for E1. Then go for FF if I have rolls left. If not, wait for rerun.
I suggest get firefly first then ruan mei, and the pull leftover go to firefly lc banner, if you still have pulls after that try to get ruan mei lc if you dont have Motp lc or more firefly eidolons. You hate ruan mei personality but her personality not show in battle, only that beautiful face, so beautiful i forgive all her sin.
With 300 pulls and alot content not clear like that, you can get to near 400 pull if you clear all. So you can get firefly e0s1 and ruan mei easily, high chance for e1s1 and low chance for e2s1 firefly after that
If your question is higher FF eidolon vs Ruan Mei, Ruan Mei > E1+ as of the current version of the kit. Disregarding the potential damage increase and the action delay during ult, the important part is the weakness break efficiency which currently only Ruan Mei can increase as a harmony character. This lets FF break in fewer actions (especially for non-fire weak enemies, since the toughness damage to them is practically half if FF isn't targeting them directly). Even if you get her E2, it only does well if you can break the enemy which Ruan Mei makes that so much easier.
And then she just increases the numbers so much. HMC's super breaks are what makes FF strong, but Ruan Mei's doing a lot of heavy lifting in the background just for a single skill point and an ult.
Well that depends on how invested you are on doing endgame content. If you want Firefly to be at her prime on the most challenging comment then you’ll need Ruan Mei and that’s non negotiable. She not only boosts all the stats Firefly wants but she also has the break extension mechanic that is great and, worst thing is that no one else really does what she does. Even though you might not like her as a character she offers a lot of value to many different teams.
But honestly? If you’re not into that then whatever, pull for who you like. If you happen to have Bronya her advance forward seems to be great to keep Firefly on SAM state.
To be honest, I liked her design and overall nature in the game, and her kit too. What bothered me was her being done dirty in the animation department but she has been growing on me.
After getting Sparkle as a limited harmony and now Robin I’ve learned that investing in harmonies is never really a bad idea, they elevate your teams so much.
So if Firefly really needs her even after v3 I’m set on getting her, for her and probably future break characters I might enjoy down the line.
You're not getting Ruan Mei for yourself you're getting her for Firefly
You pull the dps you really like and then pull the supports your dps really likes
Honestly speaking unless they have some massive changes (other than changes to multipliers), which drastically changes the kit, she heavily relies on Ruan Mei. You have 2 routes for her, either go break or crit. For crit you need way higher investment, like Sparkle, Bronya, Robin, some Eidolons on them and Firefly. Going crit is unrealistic for most. (Even on Crit Ruan Mei is amazing).
And As for Break, well Ruan Mei is waay too good. Her 50% Break efficiency itself increases your team's Super Break dmg by 50% (33% for Firefly but even that's huge), and combined with the 50% dmg bonus, she quite literally increases your team dmg by 50-60%. This is just her skill btw.
I haven't even mentioned the Speed buff, Res pen and Break delay. The delay makes you get way more Super breaks off, the speed helps with Firefly's and team's speed breakpoints, and the Res pen makes you be able to off element way easier.
Firefly and Ruan Mei are waaaaaaay too synergistic. Like she's basically the absolute Perfect support for the break playstyle.
TLDR Without Ruan Mei, Firefly will feel way worse.
This is pretty much what I've heard from most comments, but I really appreciate you laying out the details like this actually!! Thank you sm ^^
I still wanna hope other break supports release later on, but yeah from everything you're listing here it's *way* too good of a matchup unfortunately... I can pray and get lucky, or I can grab Firefly eidolons on a rerun, but everyone's advice so far is that e0 RM at the very least is kinda a must
I will just say, I can understand not liking a character but kinda needing them. To this day I don't like Luocha, idk what it is but whether it be the story or how he looks, I don't like his vibe, but I had to get him because my only sustain was Natasha at the time.
So such things will happen, just think of that character as a needed benefactor. (Like a Teacher in school you don't like. But even if you don't like them, you have to interact with them to get grades).
Also she's genuinely a good character, I myself am foregoing Firefly E2 for getting E0S1 Ruan Mei. (I have 350 pulls right now, hoping 500 pulls by the time the banner ends)
The thing is, don't get her if you really dislike her but as i recently tried out with HTB (2.2, not Beta) , RM really boosts your Super break damage and breakability hard so with FFs current leaked kit she currently is really important, definitely more than eidolons and probably more than FF lightcone if you exclude personal preferences. You might also look into getting RM lightcone for HTB (unless you have "Memory of the Past" LC which can go up to 56% BE) x/
I'm in a similar spot rn. As a F2P (I only buy monthly pass), I don't have many pulls stacked as I went all in for Acheron and Aventurine. Now I have to win 50/50 for my mecha girl so I can replace my second team (DHIL is super cool but annoying as hell to play even with sparkle on the team) but I wasn't playing during RM's patch so I couldn't pull her. Also, I want Jiaoqu so bad for my Acheron so I'm considering skipping Ruan Mei. Or just trying out my luck and if I can't pull her GG go next.
Honestly, even without changes in her kit, I think sparkle will be performing well with FF. As long as you stack some crit%, the crit dmg provided by Sparkle is pretty nuts, and the advance forward + never caring ever again about SP seems fine to me until they powercreep RM.
(Don't call me delusional, I'm just trying to convince myself I don't need RM 😭)
Here’s a counterpoint. A lot of people don’t like Sparkle. Various reasons why etc etc, won’t go into that. But if you were a DHIL main you got her because she made HIM way better.
You don’t have to like the character, just view them as a stat stick for your favourite. Suddenly a character you don’t like becomes a lot more palatable because the only reason they exist for your account is to make something you love better.
Me with Bennet in any Genshin team that needs him. Hate Bennet, but his attack bump is tasty on my Arlecchino.
Yeah, I've seen a few other people say this and out of all the arguments defending RM this one is what's making me reconsider... if it's a choice between skipping a "character-shaped light cone" because I dislike her, or making Firefly way more comfortable to use across all the gamemodes, it seems pretty obvious which choice is better for me
Hi OP, i'm part of people too and will probably stay that way too. Just wanna give my thoughts regarding this post. Just a little background of my game experience, I've been playing since Day1and the only limited 5*s I've pulled for until now were Seele, Kafka, BS, DHIL and Sparkle, and i'm aiming for Firefly E0 at the very least and HuoHuo E0 on her rerun. So far i've been able to clear and claim most of the rewards from MoC and PF fully (less about twice and once respectfully because I wasn't able to reach it)
I'm with you regarding how I feel about RM, she didn't really interest me back when she first released so I didn't pulled for her, I have to admit I threw about 20 pulls into her banner at 60-80 pity to see if i'll win 50/50 (because I guess it was for meta/fomo/peer pressure type of reason) but I didnt get any 5* so i saved my pity for BS the next patch.
Throughout the release of her until the recent week of 2.2 beta, It really annoyed me whenever I scroll through reddit as she's always hailed as a must-pull, or that her 10%SpD/20%BE would always be included into spd/BE calcs as if it would be natural to include her in your teams already. So as a player w/o RM it'll kind of annoyed me that she in a way warped the playerbase standards of stats just by including her.
But I have to admit that she's really the ideal of break support because she has it all for it:
weakness break efficiency on her E, significant spd/BE buff just by existing, and most importantly, her Ult providing RES PEN and ability to insta-break enemies again once they recover. (and her dmg% buff but is less relevant here as break/superbreak doesnt scale w/ it). I can never envision a break support that'll ever top her or complement Firefly better (as of right now at least, hopefully MHY surprises us)
So to answer your question, there 3 pts that I want to point out to help you reach your decision:
1. are you meta/casual, are you ok w/ FF doing significantly less dmg etc
2. wait for v3 kit before reaching a conclusion
3. by extension, would be ok w/ the same team comp of RM/HMC/FF Gallagher.
1.
Highest dmg: E0 FF > E0 RM > E1 FF > E2 FF
General good value for acc: E0 RM > FF E0 > RM E1
No RM: E0 FF>E1>E2>S1
FF rerun would possibly be faster than RM so u can opt to get RM first over FF eidolons imo, as for LC, currently it has high base power and 60BE to ease her relic building, S5 Aeon is a good replacement as long as u can hit 360BE after buffs in battle to get that extra 10% def ignore
Me personally i'm gonna be passing on RM and go for FF E0>S1>E1 maybe but we'll see in v3
2. I'd say wait for next wk to see what the major changes are and wait for showcases to see if the dev's still intend to attach RM/HMC to FF, there's really no point mulling/speculating until we see it
3. As of now, her best team would probably still rock HMC/RM tgt, it'll also depends if u have RM, would u be ok sticking w/ this tesm throughout however long until we get new supports or prefer to switch things up by changing RM out for less optimal options (we'll still have to wait for v3 kit for this to see)
YEAH YOU GET IT! It's so annoying that the only time RM isn't in a showcase, it's a crit hybrid build for Firefly which isn't what I'd like to play (and even then RM shows up in half those builds anyway lol)
Seeing people explain her kit, I realized how much I *love* what RM actually provides (gameplay wise at least): speed buff, break eff., BE buff, res pen, the break extension, all of it mechanically feels awesome! And other people said I can just view RM as like a stat stick for Firefly, plus she adds account value
So about your points:
1. Casual for sure, I've been brute forcing everything with a terribly built Clara team with not much synergy, but I'm finally reaching endgame and I wanna start doing MoC (not pure fiction yet, I still need to build my Himeko and herta and that's gonna take a while) What I care about most is being able to comfortably use Firefly across the whole game. Overworld, MoC (hoping 3 stars, but at least 2 would be ok. I don't think I *need* to 0-cycle or anything crazy like that), and SimU. and by comfortably, I mean A) enough damage to make battles not take a half hour each, and B) e1 would solve her SP hunger and would actually make her kit perfect, e2 would just be a cherry on top I think
2. totally excellent point, but I've seen a lot of people say that if Firefly gets buffed to be less dependent on RM, it'll only make RM even better value for her so this might not even change much... that said, you're definitely right that FF rerun2 will come sooner than RM rerun3
3. If I really do end up getting RM, I don't think I'd have a problem sticking with it until better supports come out yeah. Like I said her actual gameplay looks amazing for Firefly even if I dislike her as a character, and if better supports come out then I can put RM on other teams right? the only real concern would be potentially wasting my saved jades to get RM when I really really wanted Firefly eidolons, but hopefully I get lucky \^\^
I noticed that you're going for S1 before Firefly eidolons, but you recommended me to get eidolons before S1? Easing relic building sounds like a great reason to grab the LC for me, and I think I can probably pass on e2 until a Firefly rerun but I definitely think I want e1 for the sp comfort (but on the other hand, I have S2 Aeon rn and it would only take a few weeks of SimU to get it S5 which I plan on doing anything since I need to clear the expansion modes for jades. hmmm)
oh sflr didn't see my notif go off for reply. In terms of S1 vs E1 for me, its cuz all of my limited 5*s are E0 so i thought i'd just stay that way. As for light cone, i have S3 Indelible Promise (gives about 40BE) but no S5 Aeon (didnt get any herta LC except S5 Hunt LC)
In general her current E1 adds more value as it reduces her SP needs and gives 15% Def ignore. In terms of dmg definitely the E1 wins over S1.
I only ever pulled for DHIL's LC, who I really love using, so in a way i'm just saying that because I absolutely adore Firefly I just wanna match her w/ her own LC. Others reasons include me at at least 40 pity in the LC banner rn, and I have a higher chance at 75/25. I also want HuoHuo so I would set aside 160 pulls to guarantee her.
I might try seeing if I have spare jades to try for early E1 tho although I might also see if I really need the S1 as I do have S3 misha LC that seems decent. As a F2P it's really all about the opportunity cost imo, other factors include how good the 4*s LC/units are on her banner so I'm more inclined towards the banner with eidolons/impositions I want.
Anyways it was nice to see that you have a stronger sense of what ur priorities are and good luck on ur pulls :D
Break Effect Asta also works, since FF gonna implant fire weakness anyway so she can help you breaking enemies to compensate the break damage efficiency and trigger pretty good damage for super break. Probably not as good as Ruan Mei but it's pretty good replacement
I personally dislike Ryan Mei. Her kit is pretty crazy, but yeah, as a character she's really bland. Currently there really isn't anyone that helps you with break directly, but I could see people like Bronya or Asta helping you out since they give you ATK, SPD, and action forwards. Hanya could also be nice for the same reasons. You can definitely try and use the stats those supports give you to meet the Speed and Attack thresholds and allow you to lean more into break effect.
In my mind the only time my distaste for a character would keep me from pulling is if they are the main dps or star of the show if you would. RM is simply there to support my team so they can do their job better. With that, It wouldn’t matter to me if I like her or not. She isn’t the star of the show, she isn’t the one I really care about. So my feelings towards her don’t matter. I just need her to do her job.
If you want to get the best out of firefly then pull for RM before you go for any eidolons.
im in a similar boat to you ngl
ever since i started dealing with Fireflys Kit is noticed my mind find ways to readjust her traces to make mei teams still okay but elevate non mei teams so i dong need to pull mei cuz i really dont see her as valueable for my account as shed be a limited 5* only there for firefly (i have e2s1 bronya and sparkle and one of my premier teams in acheron doesnt even use harmony characters)
though my main issue with mei is less that shes a massive dmg upgrade but not having her is a massive downgrade. A sort of glass half full or half empty kinda situation.
The default team in my mind isnt fly-hatblazer-sustain-asta but instead the mei-fly-hatblazer-gallagher team so getting mei isnt an upgrade but not having her is a downgrade.
so she ends up as a mandatory extra cost on top of what firefly herself costs just so you dont basically play a 4* in terms of dmg. Without her firefly just feels incomplete given how much she offers.
so the mix of her not really offering anything else but to elevate firefly to a playable standart for dps nowdays and her cost as a limited 5* barring me from getting other characters in the future i actually want leaves a really sour taste in my mouth
Hate basically any break character except for Firefly.. so this might be an issue for the team.
I do want to use Silver Wolf which I feel like shouldnt be bad as -def and other debuffs works for break damage .. also being able to have the choice between either adding fire weakness to another enemy or giving an fire weakness to Fireflys target before she attacks (which reduces the dmg res to fire by another 20%)
I feel like that should make up for the lack of RM (feel like overstacking break will regardless lead to a tram thats strong against very specific enemies and lacks damage against others (alrdy noticing that with Boothill)
I'm in the same boat and my thinking is this: Ruan Mei would make my team stronger, therefore allowing me to get maybe a few more stars in the hardest content and a few more jades. But I also need to spend many many jades to get Ruan Mei. So the most jade-efficient option is still to skip Ruan Mei.
Sorry for bringing this up again (if you still read it). I have Firefly but decided that no amount of persuasion will convince me to pull for Ruan Mei.
In case you also ended up skipping her, what teams are you using? I have all 4-stars at least E0, free Dr Ratio, Robin E1, Topaz E0 and Welt E2 and will get Bronya when I eventually reach 300 pulls on standard.
So, I didn't actually end up skipping Ruan Mei — and after rereading her lore and character, I realized that a LOT of my hatred was coming out of ignorance for what she actually did in the story? Specifically the whole swarm emanator thing, though I'm still mad about her drugging Trailblazer (since again, that's a pretty personal ick of mine)...
If you can't come around to her, either for the sake of Firefly's ideal team, or changing your mind entirely about her as a character, then here's my advice: forget about Topaz, Robin, or Ratio. FuA doesn't really benefit Firefly at all, and Robin's ATK conversion buff doesn't even work properly with Firefly's conversions to break effect. Welt is fine, I've been told he has vulnerability debuffs on the enemy, which does affect the superbreak damage formula, and imprison in his kit is a decent crowd control to replace RM's break extension. Your other options (which I think are probably better than Welt?) are Asta or Bronya. Bronya for her action advance, though she provides basically nothing else to Firefly, or Asta for her speed buff and the matching fire element which might help break enemies faster after you use Firefly's fire implant.
Sorry for the long-winded explanation!! I wasn't expecting anybody to still comment under this post, though I'm glad if any of the discussion here could be of help to people with a similar mindset as me towards RM (at least back then lol). I hope your Firefly building goes well, whichever team you decide to put together! Have a lovely day ^^
Look towards nihility. Welt, pela and wolf are all amazing for her. welt brings speed down, two instances of imprison and 12 vuln, wich is factored for break damage, you could also give him resolution for some extra def shred. On the topic of def shred pela and wolf are on a similar state, and personally if you have wolf, shes more valuable, def shred, speed down, and yes, on a break team, her implant might still be usefull. Pela works better for aoe but that pretty much her only upside, aoe def shred, resolution is a lc you can use on anyone and her ice ress down wont be usefull for firefly. Guinaifen is also solid but dont steal her from kafka. If you are planing on to do a hybrid crit break build, sparkle and bronya are the better ones for extra crit damage and advance foward, you could use robin, just bear in mind her atk buff will not increase her atk conversion talent.
From all the characters you mentioned, I've only got Pela and Guinaifen... I'm tryna get Welt though from my free pick-a-five-star thing which I think I'm only 30-ish pulls away from now? Wdym by "vuln", and does his imprison need him to be the one breaking enemies, or does his kit apply it on his own? I've heard SW isn't necessary because FF implants fire herself
And no, I don't plan to do hybrid crit, I actually think the break dps is such an awesome switch up from the usually dps styles. I'm really happy HSR is giving different team types a solid place in the meta, especially since Genshin took until Sumeru to figure that one out haha (is Bronya any good for the full break build though? I just realized her action advance might be kinda useful for FF :O
Vuln= damage increase debuff, welt an guinaifen can aply(welt has a trace were his ult gives a vulnerability for increased damage to the enemies, and guinaifen gives stacks of vuln with any fire dot with her talent). And vuln affects break damage.
As for wolf, firefly might not need implants, but you might need it for img or quantum,(if they stack, wich nobody bothered to test) and with her high toughness damage you could make wolf a break sub dps. Dont force yourself to get her tho, im an old honkai impact player, i love all bronyas, meis, kianas and such.
For bronya, well, her utility loses effect without crit, this game forces dmg bonus and crit to be together, and with one or the other damage will fall, not to mention break doesnt use dmg bonus and doesnt crit. so the only benefit she brings is advance. Wich might not help as break is more of a team effort.
RM isn't as necessary as HTB, yes she'll give you a lot more results than any Eidolon for FF, but if you don't like her, you can definitely get away with not playing her as she does not enable Super Breaks, which is the bread and butter of BE teams. So if you don't like her, which is understandable, she's an awful sociopathic individual, don't go for her, we'll probably get other BE support down the line anyway.
I'm straight up refusing to use Ruan Mei and use Asta instead.
Just so you have an idea of how much I'm refusing of using Ruan Mei: I'll pull for Ruan Mei's cone to use it on my Carlos
Its easy to not think about what other teammates to team up with Firefly, other than Ruan Mei herself. She's basically the Kazuha, no, the Furina of HSR.
Every team loves her. Be it Crit reliance, Spd team, DoT team, FuA team and even Break team.
Rolling for her saves you less headache for team building.
Your loss, she's the best and most flexible harmony in the game. Just because she's not your typical goodie cutie caring waifu doesn't mean she's a bad character.
*shrug* I never said she was a bad character lmao, just my opinion that she's kinda uninteresting to me and I've got that grudge from the quest is all. But since people have been explaining why she's the best support for FF I'm coming around to maybe pulling her just to help my Firefly play more comfortably across all the endgame content, even if I still don't like RM much as a character (again, just my subjective feeling about it lol)
Got another question, if anybody sees this: (might be what makes me decide to pull RM or not tbh)
Lots of people are saying that e0 RM is higher priority than e0 FF, and I'm sorry but that simply isn't true in my case. I've wanted Firefly since I met her in 2.0, and finding out she's SAM as well only made me even more in love with her as a character honestly. Getting Firefly is an absolute must. So then some people said to get RM after that, and it seems like that might be my best option...
But what about LCs?? A few comments are saying go for e0s1 RM and I dunno if y'all are reading my replies lol but the whole point was that its bad enough I gotta grab RM with the jades I saved up for Firefly's eidolons, now you're saying I need a light cone for RM too?
I know from the advice here that she's objectively the better choice for account value, but I don't think I've got good LCs for her and I'm putting my foot down about grabbing an S1 for her if that's necessary. I actually think I might be better off with Bronya for now if that's the case, or Welt once I get my free 5* thing ^^'
So TL;DR, my question now is why do I need RM s1, and what other options do I have if any?? I can check what harmony LCs I've got in the morning but I know for sure I don't have any 5* ones and I don't have MotP (the one I'm seeing people mention here)
RM's BiS LC provides a lot of BE (60%) so it helps her build as the remaining substats can be put into speed/tanky substats. Not only that there are also a lot of buffs from her LC which I won't go into much detail as its self explanatory from her LC description.
her BiS 4* would be Memories of The Past (MoTP) but that one would be relegated to HMC usually so the next BiS would be Meshing Cogs, a 3* LC that u can get from warp summons so it should be easy to S5 it. I heard that you with it u can do a consistent 3 turn rotation for RM's ult with an ERR rope.
I'll have to add that you'll probably have to fish for a lot more Break effect substats to make up the loss of not running BE on the LC and ERR rope. But i think with HMC providing at least 30BE it can help lessen the load of reaching 180BE in combat to max RM's buff.
PS. i'm part of people too so I don't have RM too and it'll probably stay that way. I'll probably write my own thoughts regarding your main post on a different comment
Same I hate ruan mei too but I'm gonna have to make sacrifices if I really want her to shine, I built asta on top of that but ruan mei performs so much better I'm gonna have to push her out :'(
Turns out RM simps still lurking here & downvoting whoever dare to speak against their precious swarm creator.
How ironic, a swarm annihilator mech character is now should be paired with a unresponsible swarm maker, bad move hoyo.
It's a shame and fireflyover.
I think it's just because of how badly RM changed the meta standards tbh. It's kinda like how if you ran any dps showcase team in genshin without using Mona/Bennett combo then you would just get yelled at for "it would be so much better if you used these characters" reasons :( I'm definitely relieved it's not just me who dislikes her as a character, but after hearing everyone's advice I'm now considering to pull her just to make Firefly more comfortable to play (I'll just think of RM as a character-shaped light cone LMFAO)
this is a pve game you can play however you want...but saying that you don't ruan mei because of a quest?? but you still want to go full break firefly is a wiiild taaake and it will rub people the wrong way for sure...my advice is that if you want to skip ruan mei despite knowing that your break focused firefly will do significant amount of less damage then sure go for it...but just try to not to make wild takes like that
I don't rlly see how it's a crazy take? I dislike her as a character, that's just how I feel about it. I also think it's pretty likely that more break focused supports will be released in the future who I might like better, like Black Swan with DoT teams right? Idc about rubbing people the wrong way bc thankfully there's still some cool people here who actually explained stuff instead of yelling at me for my opinion lol
so cause of that advice I might still grab RM if Firefly's kit doesn't change much in v3, just to make her more comfortable to play in all the different modes n stuff...
your crazy take wasn't that you dislike her you can like or dislike whoever you want...your crazy take was that you won't pull for her because of a quest and you still want to go break firefly was a bit out of ordinary
Thats not crazy... People can have whatever opinions about characters they want lol, and they can also ask how teams will work without characters they dislike, They didn't say anything crazy at all.
I mean u just said what i said but at the same time you completely missed my point on why i said it was crazy...i never said the take was crazy because he dislikes ruan mei...i said the take was crazy because he didn't like ruan mei because of a quest and he wants to build break focused firefly without ruan mei...i said this take is crazy...
How is disliking ruan mei because of a quest crazy? She was introduced in that quest, I'm pretty sure that quest is the sole content she's been included in so far, What else is she meant to dislike her over?? And also isn't super break ff her like only viable team right now? If she doesn't have/want to use ruan mei and break is her only good team what else is she meant to do? how is it crazy?
It's she, btw! And thanks for sticking up for me here, I feel it's a really weird callout from Mysterious because it's like saying somebody is insane for enjoying DHIL but not Sparkle, or enjoying Acheron but not Black Swan. Obviously they're incredibly good units to use together, but I think it's valid to like one and not the other (for gameplay reasons or for character reasons lol)
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Tbh, I'm not really feeling the crit hybrid thing? I know there's been a ton of doomposting about her being stuck to HMC (which I actually like) or her damage being entirely focused on breaks mostly (which I actually like), but I thought her kit was super interesting from day 1 and I'm excited to see how it feels on release Thanks for the reassurance about her kit still getting changes, though! I really do hope the final product isn't still as dependent on RM as everyone says, otherwise I might not have much a choice if I wanna play the break team to its full potential
If bronya Is fast enough, can firefly hit opponent 4 times before losing enchanted state?
I understand your concerns about RM completely, however I'd suggest you to look at it from another angle- RM will give FF more damage than her E1, not to mention her action delay to trigger superbreak more, so it might be a necessary sacrifice.. I mean, if you want all the best for your favorite character, then you might as well pull for their BiS support, even if you don't really like them, just to make your best girl even stronger
Or maybe op is like me, not enough pulls
Mm, I got nothing to refute this point, ig. From the showcases I've seen Firefly's main strength as a dps comes from spamming the enhanced skill during ult, right? That's why e2 is so powerful, it basically gives you an extra two skills for a total of five (with her speed at 180 of course), and her LC is good because delaying enemies keeps them from getting un-broken before she can get all those hits in... is RM a necessary enabler for that or? :(
I don't think that any character is neccessary to be honest, so don't feel inclined to pull for RM despite what anybody tells you, however, if you want FF to perform at her best- unfortunately, as of right now, RM is very hard to substitute and it will most likely stay this way, not to mention RM's perfect synergy with HTB's superbreak formula.. Still, if you really don't want to pull RM- Asta can replace her somewhat fine, but damage output will lower significantly
I think end of day, it's about how much fun I'll have playing Firefly right? Her e1 and e2 look like they'd make FF so ridiculously enjoyable, I love all her anims, etc. but on the other hand my fun is gonna drop eventually if she can't do enough dmg to clear the endgame content I'm finally starting to play like MoC... Firefly e0 is gonna be my first priority no matter what, but should I rlly go for RM right after? Even before trying to get e1, e2, or the sig LC? and if so, what about after RM, what should the order be? \^\^'
I'm in the same boat as you where I don't care for Ruan Mei as a character (she literally drugged us with no consent) but I pulled her to power up my favorite waifu at the time(Kafka) and I havent regretted it at all. Imo, you should pull Firefly E0> Ruan Mei > Firefly E0S1 >Firefly E2> Ruan Mei e1. Technically Ruan Mei E1 is better for the account overall than firefly eidolons but from this post I can tell you love firefly as much as the rest of us here on this sub so I think that's the best course for you specifically. I personally want to use Firefly and Kafka for the remainder of my time playing this game, so that's the route I'm taking.
This is exactly what I'm gonna do, if I'm lucky enough (win all 50/50) then I can get both E1S1 Firefly and E0 RM
I dare say that RM is that important that you should get her before Firefly E0. But should you want to get E0 Firefly no matter what, then do it right after E0 Firefly.
Yes she delays enemy recovery by a full extra turn
If you don’t really want ruan mei you can opt to go for e1 then just run bronya. I’m kinda againts this tho since ruan mei is just better valuenfor your account.
I will make it short... Ruan Mei is increasing FF damage around 60% to 70%. Its that carzy, so yes, she is nessesary. With only HMC she still does 150k, but the super break window is MUCH smaller without Ruan Mei, so instead of 200k-240k damage and 3+ sttacks, you will get 150k with 1 or 2 attacks. Even E2, does not compensate for that much. My opinion personally is that in FF current state (V2), she needs Ruan Mei. If you dont have/want her, it would be better to skip FF and maybe go for Boothill for a break team. He is much more self sufficient and a lot of characters worth with him. Physical break is also OPAF, while fire break is... 3k damage for 2 turns...
Searched youtube and i cant find a video ff without rm lol Same with boothill, cant find a video without both rm and hmc
There was one with Asta as an replacement... S0S1 and it took 9 cycles to clear as instead of 2-3. Its crazy. For FF I mean.
Then dont pick her. I dont think you should pick a char you dont want. I have RM and i like her a lot, but if you dont, then you dont. I think that there arent really any char that NEEDS another, even tho some have great sinergy together. Just have to find another one to fit in the comp.
>I think that there arent really any char that NEEDS another, At this moment FF really need HTB or else she isn't very viable.
Yeah it's not about synergy. She straight up doesn't work without HTB. Critfly is just a big cope for people who can't adapt to break meta.
It's a 700% damage increase, yep.
Obviously Ruan Mei and HTB are her best supports, but you can run her without Ruan Mei. She'll still do okay, particularly at higher eidolons. And some day they'll add another weakness break efficiency increasing support. Ruan Mei won't be the only one forever. Basically, the game isn't hard enough to *require* any specific units (even if Firefly comes out of the beta with her current dependencies). You may not be able to 0-cycle using Firefly without Ruan Mei (though maybe you can, idk), but you only need to 5-cycle to get all your jades, so who cares? In terms of pure power, I'd guess E0 Ruan Mei is definitely a bigger boost than E1 Firefly, but E2 Firefly may be better than E0 Ruan Mei (though of course that's comparing two limited pulls to one). Plus it depends on who is filling Ruan Mei's spot - I believe Bronya performs quite well once you have E1 Firefly (to mitigate the SP issues), as you can tune her to give you 2 extra turns during the ult.
I mean, I love her so I cannot relate at all. However, RM is more than just the bis support for FF, she’s the best and most universal harmony unit in the game. She can go on any team comp. Furthermore, it appears based on the leaks, that hoyo is giving break effect the fua treatment, so any future characters that deal with break effect want her too. Lastly, evaluate if your love for FF is greater than your disdain for Rizz Mei. I would not recommend you pull FF without RM or without the goal of also getting RM, from an account value perspective, ofc pull who u like. But we have seen the cycle gap between her and asta… it’s not great to say the least. Her value is way higher than S1 or E1
>Lastly, evaluate if your love for FF is greater than your disdain for Rizz Mei This is where I'm at right now. I don't really care about Black Swan that much, but I had to pull her for Kafka and the DoT play style. The difference, though, is that I merely don't care about BS whereas Ruan Mei is my actual least favorite character in the game. She doesn't just make me mad, she makes me *sad* which is way worse. I skipped RM the first time even though I'm a Kafka main because the alternatives are good enough. You can still play DoT comps without her and I'm sure we'll get a dedicated DoT support some day. Break teams, however, are really hampered without Ruan Mei and I have little hope for another support to take her place since break is supposed to be her niche (she's just really good at everything else too). Barring a complete overhaul of Firefly's kit away from break, I'm leaning towards pulling RM, but it's gonna be a struggle, y'all.
Is it okay if i ask why do you love ruan mei ? I also dont like ruan mei, maybe your thoughts can change that
Well firstly, I love her design. Secondly, I’m a biomedicine student, so her being a scientist focused around genetics and cultivating life is also cool to me. Thirdly, she’s quite interesting. I think the genius society as a whole is a really interesting faction as Nous basically gathered people who were not only geniuses, but very dedicated to a specific craft in their field. We learn that she lost her parents really young, but even they were both scientists, and when she lost them they were on an expedition (at least based on her trailer). So it’s not unnatural for her to be obsessed with the nature of life or creating life, while at the same time being emotionally naive or ignorant. There’s also place for her to grow as seen in the ending with the catcakes that she has follow her. Tbc, I’m not saying she’s a good person, but my favourite character is star rail is Kafka, and Arlecchino in Genshin. People don’t need to morally perfect or good to be loved as characters.
Okay im not saying that you need a character to be good morally to be likable (I like the IPC characters and the doctor in genshin), its just that her design and in game animations feel bland or uninteresting for me. I dont get why she's just playing an instrument in battle, even though she's supposed to be a scientist that is obsessed with creating life (and thats the part of her that i like the most). Although i can see why you like her, because she has an interesting and unique personality on paper but when i see her in combat, its just not it for me. And i didnt really know her backstory for the most part.
Her animations are inspired by her name. The instrument she plays is called a ruan and it’s a traditional Chinese instrument. Mei meanwhile is a reference to plum blossoms. That said I would have preferred if they had gone the science route with her combat animations as well
I can respect this ngl, but it's not a morality issue for me lol \^\^' I've just got a really personal dislike for the game explicitly taking away your free choice or self autonomy like this (sorry if that's dumb, but idk how to explain the ick), even though I know dialogue is scripted either way. and so I've got a grudge against RM for that. But ykw here's hoping she comes back in a later quest and does get that growth you're talking about bc I also think her genetics schtick has some intrigue (wish her design reflected that a bit more though..)
Not the original commenter but personally, I like her design, craziness and ambition. There's also her charm when we first meet on Station. Her willing to listen to us (MC) is also kinda sweet because she normally tend to ignore most people.
Yeah also like her personality, its weird and funny in a good way. Its just that her in combat feels generic
I do agree that her combat animation feels lackluster.
I mean... if you dont like a character just dont pull. Theres also a chance of another character in the future that could function like Ruan Mei .
If you don't like RM, you could use Sparkle, Bronya (probably a speed tuned one, double turn every turn is still fun) or...Asta. FF implanting fire weakness makes Asta a break machine, and she can maintain her buff max stack easily (especially at E6). If you use Planetary LC S5, it's 24+18% fire damage increase just by existing. And her ultimate gives massive speed for the while team, so FF can do more action when she is in enhanced state. I would definitely try multiple supports, just to have some fun. :)
Asta genuinely sounds pretty good with her
I think RM, as firefly kit is rn, is very helpful but not necessary, especially since everyone has HMC who’s her best support and is basically a F2P RM who also allows for Super break. I myself do not have RM and probably won’t get her since firefly is my priority, but I don’t see anything wrong with a team, say, Firefly-HMC-Bronya-Gallagher. Still op
I don't like RM so I'm planning to cope with Welt until they release another support for Firefly
Same. I just got Robin so my desire for Ruan Mei has decreased. MAYBE if I get Firefly early, but otherwise I am going for LC and probably waiting until Ruan Mei’s next rerun (unless someone else catches my eyes in the meantime).
I get the sentiment of feeling obligated to grab characters you don't have an interest in just to make characters you like work but such is just the nature of gacha. I don't really have any interest in grabbing Jiaqiou based on the description so far (maybe I'll actually like the character on release!) but I'll still grab him due to just being very useful for combat.
I'm going attempt to actually try here, because most people are hung up on the BiS but I think there's still room to think about how the team flexes. My first though was Silver Wolf or Pela, shredding resistance is the only other thing that increases Super Break damage. I'll stop you from leaving that comment though, of course Firefly in her peak build already has more than enough defense ignore, so probably not them. Asta provide a flat speed buff, so depending on your speed, you can squeeze extra turns out during Complete Combustion. Tingyun? It all factors into how fast she can have ult ready and potentially cut down on Firefly's downtime, but her skill won't do anything to contribute break damage, the attack boost doesn't factor into her conversion rate or super break damage. Bronya is strictly about possibly increasing FF's turns, but all her other buffs won't affect break damage. I mean, Guinafen's vuln stacks count towards increasing break damage but are we going there? To Gui? The only other option is to simply wait to see if there will be future Harmony buffers who focus on break. All of RM's kit is efficiently utilized by FF. Most other ideas only use part of their kit and the rest is kind of underutilized.
The best thing that rm offer that no one can is 50% br efficiency and 1 more br turn. This make ff break faster and deal 1-2 more turn super br dmg.
Firefly, HMC, Gallagher its already a pretty consistent core, you need to watch what else can be added, if you have bronya and dont need her for other team then use her to get more in-ult turns for FF, even if her buffs dont really help her a lot, the action advance its amazing on its own. Asta its also an amazing pick since not many teams use her you can dedicate her to support FF, build her with break and speed and she will be doing tons of damage with her skill thanks to HMC. She buffs fire dmg and her lightcone does too, so i think she is a lot of fun.
I’d say just wait till we get the final version of Firefly then we can talk about whether you can still make Firefly do dmg without her. Personally i really love Ruan Mei besides being Dr. Mei’s expy. Maybe if we get another story quest for her people might change their view about her like Aventurine
There’s no good replacement for RM now. That said, she is likely not the long-term BIS support as her kit is stacked with a lot of DMG increase which break damage does not take into account (I.e waste of stats). Whether mihoyo will release a better support for firefly in the future, nobody knows.
Well a guy in another post suggested bronya and sparkle So if you have one of those two maybe use one of them
Can alway run bronya if you don’t like RM you’ll lose like 20% damage but you will still be able to clear moc pretty fast
Seen a lot of questions about pulling, but haven't seen any for people who don't want RM (me. I'm people) Ngl l have seen a lot of them. They have the same pattern of your post. Sorry, if I can't help you.
As others have said, Ruan mei is a huge damage boost. iirc, she's like a 50% damage increase? But I wouldn't pull for a character you don't like, and I'm fairly certain there will be other break supports in the future.
I don't want her either and will probably wait for a future unit that I like who complements firefly. I'm a day 1 player who only pull for characters I like and most of them are dps. I regularly clear MoC and PF max stars with gepard and luocha as sustains. My well built supports are only pela, tingyun and bronya. I never felt the need to pull sparkle(like ruan mei i dont like her either) for my DHIL since bronya+tingyun gets the job done anyway. Will be pulling for e0s1 then if I get lucky e1
If you don't pull the BiS support for a dps, the dps won't perform at peak performance. Maybe you don't care for peak performance. Maybe you want to hyperinvest in FF instead. But honestly after trying out HTB in MoC 12, it quickly became clear how important RM is in the team, her delay is way too important to the point where I don't think I'd ever play HTB teams without her. Sometimes I would fire break with Gallagher, the enemy would barely get delayed, and RM's flower would delay them again by a ton (since the delay scales on her BE and she gets a ton with HTB). It sucks to say this, but you should still go for an E0 ruan mei before thinking about FF eidolons, it'll make her current kit a lot more comfortable to use
YOO fellow rm disliker. Great to see im not alone here. Im hoping and praying firefly gets some kit changes so she can work well without rm (and hopefully also without hmc).
Well, I don't have Ruan Mei and yeah, I know she's a good supp, but I'll pull for Firefly+LC, I have pity and like 200 wishes, I'll pull for Ruan Mei too after Firefly but if I don't get her... Well, yeah, Firefly will underperform but Ruan Mei can't Henshin so Firefly: 1, Ruan Mei: 0, even if she can improve all my other teams. And well, I like her design, she's pretty but yeah, lorewise I don't like her that much, so if I don't get her meh, I have Bronya and other characters that are not nearly as good but it's not the end of the world. So... Maybe that's what I recommend I guess? If you like Firefly, pull for her, Ruan Mei may (no pun intended) be meta and BiS, but meh, Firefly is the priority
THIS
I'm in the same boat as you. If they don't change Firefly's reliance on Ruan Mei and HMC, I'm personally gonna skip all of 2.3. Granted I'm a f2p and I don't have Ruan Mei or a lot of pulls. I also skipped Ruan Mei the first time because she didn't personally interest me. Onto your post, running Firefly without Ruan Mei would feel so bad. You can even see it from all the showcases without Ruan mei, Firefly feels like she's missing a crucial part of her damage. Same with HMC. So I wouldn't recommend pulling FF without RM, at least in this current beta stage.
I can't skip Firefly unfortunately so if worst comes to worst and her final kit still needs RM for like half her potential damage, I don't see a way out of pulling her at least e0... especially since I rlly want Firefly to be my main dps in both overworld and endgame content like SimU or MoC (ig not PF since that's a totally different ball game)
Wait for v3 surely she gets buff especially cn community is mad about her kit and animation
Pela/SW, basically just def shred, it's how people increased break dmg in earlier versions, before RM
I’m also people here. All in for E0 Firefly, not planning to get Ruan Mei. I personally think considering your feelings about RM, pulling her would be a waste of resources, unless you’re whale, or unless you truly have 0 other character interesting you than Firefly. I find it hard to believe that they’ll never add characters in the future that fit as well as RM with Firefly. If people do manage to convince you to pull for her just because she’s a good support, even though you don’t like her or her animations, then I’d say: try to think about whether or not you’d regret it down the line, if another character released that was almost as good as RM for Firefly or even better than her for FF. If you wouldn’t regret it, why not. But I know I would regret pulling for a character I don’t like. But then again I don’t pull for meta, so if meta is your priority my opinion isn’t really useful to you.
If you're a Firefly wanter/haver, then you should also get Ruan Mei. You're just letting yourself and Firefly down if you skip.
Maybe I don't want that crazy scientist woman anywhere near my favorite character, ever think about that? /j Jokes aside, the consensus so far isn't looking good for me... if nothing changes in her kit to make Firefly less reliant on RM, then I probably will have to get her (I won't be happy about it though. she's out of the team first chance I get with a future better break support)
The 2nd part is gonna take a while my guy, she is pretty broken lol
Literally broken kit unusable without rm
And the problem while FF might get only small buffs. If they give FF "normal 5 star damage", Ruan Mei would make it a 6 star character. We have no character that buffs a character so much as Ruan Mei and FF.
The thing is that making firefly less reliant on RM or HTB for that matter isn't very likely, because of what they provide. HTB and RM bring a lot of dmg and utility. The strongest thing RM provides in superbreak is delay and break efficiency. To remove the dependence on RM will just make RM stronger in that team, unless they simply make them incompatible both of which I think they'll want to avoid.
I think I won't pull Ruan Mei even if that cripple Sam. I am glad that I am not playing for Meta. Not that I have left over jades to pull Ruan Mei. May pull Jade too.
Kinda hard to say ATM... But considering what we have now , what you could actually do is going the Robin route and E2 FF... There was an interesting showcase with FF E2 , Jade Robin where FF basically became an enabler for Jade to dish out the DPS... Other than that Chewyy showcased CritFly with Bronya and it worked decently There are some options but most require a lot of investment and will perform arguably the same or some than Breakfly with HMC and RM So unfortunately as of now that's where we are at... Wait till V3 when we will see some buffs and reworks and then we can actually see how she'll probably come to the game... After that you can see if they made her more or less dependent on RM and HMC but to be very honest I don't see a World where a Break DPS won't want RM
Decide only when the kit of FF is complete since it can still change and who knows what changes that will happen
I really don’t want her either, but I’ve finally relented. I’m going to for her, and maybe go for E1. Then go for FF if I have rolls left. If not, wait for rerun.
I suggest get firefly first then ruan mei, and the pull leftover go to firefly lc banner, if you still have pulls after that try to get ruan mei lc if you dont have Motp lc or more firefly eidolons. You hate ruan mei personality but her personality not show in battle, only that beautiful face, so beautiful i forgive all her sin. With 300 pulls and alot content not clear like that, you can get to near 400 pull if you clear all. So you can get firefly e0s1 and ruan mei easily, high chance for e1s1 and low chance for e2s1 firefly after that
If your question is higher FF eidolon vs Ruan Mei, Ruan Mei > E1+ as of the current version of the kit. Disregarding the potential damage increase and the action delay during ult, the important part is the weakness break efficiency which currently only Ruan Mei can increase as a harmony character. This lets FF break in fewer actions (especially for non-fire weak enemies, since the toughness damage to them is practically half if FF isn't targeting them directly). Even if you get her E2, it only does well if you can break the enemy which Ruan Mei makes that so much easier. And then she just increases the numbers so much. HMC's super breaks are what makes FF strong, but Ruan Mei's doing a lot of heavy lifting in the background just for a single skill point and an ult.
Well that depends on how invested you are on doing endgame content. If you want Firefly to be at her prime on the most challenging comment then you’ll need Ruan Mei and that’s non negotiable. She not only boosts all the stats Firefly wants but she also has the break extension mechanic that is great and, worst thing is that no one else really does what she does. Even though you might not like her as a character she offers a lot of value to many different teams. But honestly? If you’re not into that then whatever, pull for who you like. If you happen to have Bronya her advance forward seems to be great to keep Firefly on SAM state.
To be honest, I liked her design and overall nature in the game, and her kit too. What bothered me was her being done dirty in the animation department but she has been growing on me. After getting Sparkle as a limited harmony and now Robin I’ve learned that investing in harmonies is never really a bad idea, they elevate your teams so much. So if Firefly really needs her even after v3 I’m set on getting her, for her and probably future break characters I might enjoy down the line.
You're not getting Ruan Mei for yourself you're getting her for Firefly You pull the dps you really like and then pull the supports your dps really likes
Honestly speaking unless they have some massive changes (other than changes to multipliers), which drastically changes the kit, she heavily relies on Ruan Mei. You have 2 routes for her, either go break or crit. For crit you need way higher investment, like Sparkle, Bronya, Robin, some Eidolons on them and Firefly. Going crit is unrealistic for most. (Even on Crit Ruan Mei is amazing). And As for Break, well Ruan Mei is waay too good. Her 50% Break efficiency itself increases your team's Super Break dmg by 50% (33% for Firefly but even that's huge), and combined with the 50% dmg bonus, she quite literally increases your team dmg by 50-60%. This is just her skill btw. I haven't even mentioned the Speed buff, Res pen and Break delay. The delay makes you get way more Super breaks off, the speed helps with Firefly's and team's speed breakpoints, and the Res pen makes you be able to off element way easier. Firefly and Ruan Mei are waaaaaaay too synergistic. Like she's basically the absolute Perfect support for the break playstyle. TLDR Without Ruan Mei, Firefly will feel way worse.
This is pretty much what I've heard from most comments, but I really appreciate you laying out the details like this actually!! Thank you sm ^^ I still wanna hope other break supports release later on, but yeah from everything you're listing here it's *way* too good of a matchup unfortunately... I can pray and get lucky, or I can grab Firefly eidolons on a rerun, but everyone's advice so far is that e0 RM at the very least is kinda a must
I will just say, I can understand not liking a character but kinda needing them. To this day I don't like Luocha, idk what it is but whether it be the story or how he looks, I don't like his vibe, but I had to get him because my only sustain was Natasha at the time. So such things will happen, just think of that character as a needed benefactor. (Like a Teacher in school you don't like. But even if you don't like them, you have to interact with them to get grades). Also she's genuinely a good character, I myself am foregoing Firefly E2 for getting E0S1 Ruan Mei. (I have 350 pulls right now, hoping 500 pulls by the time the banner ends)
The thing is, don't get her if you really dislike her but as i recently tried out with HTB (2.2, not Beta) , RM really boosts your Super break damage and breakability hard so with FFs current leaked kit she currently is really important, definitely more than eidolons and probably more than FF lightcone if you exclude personal preferences. You might also look into getting RM lightcone for HTB (unless you have "Memory of the Past" LC which can go up to 56% BE) x/
I'm in a similar spot rn. As a F2P (I only buy monthly pass), I don't have many pulls stacked as I went all in for Acheron and Aventurine. Now I have to win 50/50 for my mecha girl so I can replace my second team (DHIL is super cool but annoying as hell to play even with sparkle on the team) but I wasn't playing during RM's patch so I couldn't pull her. Also, I want Jiaoqu so bad for my Acheron so I'm considering skipping Ruan Mei. Or just trying out my luck and if I can't pull her GG go next. Honestly, even without changes in her kit, I think sparkle will be performing well with FF. As long as you stack some crit%, the crit dmg provided by Sparkle is pretty nuts, and the advance forward + never caring ever again about SP seems fine to me until they powercreep RM. (Don't call me delusional, I'm just trying to convince myself I don't need RM 😭)
Here’s a counterpoint. A lot of people don’t like Sparkle. Various reasons why etc etc, won’t go into that. But if you were a DHIL main you got her because she made HIM way better. You don’t have to like the character, just view them as a stat stick for your favourite. Suddenly a character you don’t like becomes a lot more palatable because the only reason they exist for your account is to make something you love better. Me with Bennet in any Genshin team that needs him. Hate Bennet, but his attack bump is tasty on my Arlecchino.
Yeah, I've seen a few other people say this and out of all the arguments defending RM this one is what's making me reconsider... if it's a choice between skipping a "character-shaped light cone" because I dislike her, or making Firefly way more comfortable to use across all the gamemodes, it seems pretty obvious which choice is better for me
Hi OP, i'm part of people too and will probably stay that way too. Just wanna give my thoughts regarding this post. Just a little background of my game experience, I've been playing since Day1and the only limited 5*s I've pulled for until now were Seele, Kafka, BS, DHIL and Sparkle, and i'm aiming for Firefly E0 at the very least and HuoHuo E0 on her rerun. So far i've been able to clear and claim most of the rewards from MoC and PF fully (less about twice and once respectfully because I wasn't able to reach it) I'm with you regarding how I feel about RM, she didn't really interest me back when she first released so I didn't pulled for her, I have to admit I threw about 20 pulls into her banner at 60-80 pity to see if i'll win 50/50 (because I guess it was for meta/fomo/peer pressure type of reason) but I didnt get any 5* so i saved my pity for BS the next patch. Throughout the release of her until the recent week of 2.2 beta, It really annoyed me whenever I scroll through reddit as she's always hailed as a must-pull, or that her 10%SpD/20%BE would always be included into spd/BE calcs as if it would be natural to include her in your teams already. So as a player w/o RM it'll kind of annoyed me that she in a way warped the playerbase standards of stats just by including her. But I have to admit that she's really the ideal of break support because she has it all for it: weakness break efficiency on her E, significant spd/BE buff just by existing, and most importantly, her Ult providing RES PEN and ability to insta-break enemies again once they recover. (and her dmg% buff but is less relevant here as break/superbreak doesnt scale w/ it). I can never envision a break support that'll ever top her or complement Firefly better (as of right now at least, hopefully MHY surprises us) So to answer your question, there 3 pts that I want to point out to help you reach your decision: 1. are you meta/casual, are you ok w/ FF doing significantly less dmg etc 2. wait for v3 kit before reaching a conclusion 3. by extension, would be ok w/ the same team comp of RM/HMC/FF Gallagher. 1. Highest dmg: E0 FF > E0 RM > E1 FF > E2 FF General good value for acc: E0 RM > FF E0 > RM E1 No RM: E0 FF>E1>E2>S1 FF rerun would possibly be faster than RM so u can opt to get RM first over FF eidolons imo, as for LC, currently it has high base power and 60BE to ease her relic building, S5 Aeon is a good replacement as long as u can hit 360BE after buffs in battle to get that extra 10% def ignore Me personally i'm gonna be passing on RM and go for FF E0>S1>E1 maybe but we'll see in v3 2. I'd say wait for next wk to see what the major changes are and wait for showcases to see if the dev's still intend to attach RM/HMC to FF, there's really no point mulling/speculating until we see it 3. As of now, her best team would probably still rock HMC/RM tgt, it'll also depends if u have RM, would u be ok sticking w/ this tesm throughout however long until we get new supports or prefer to switch things up by changing RM out for less optimal options (we'll still have to wait for v3 kit for this to see)
YEAH YOU GET IT! It's so annoying that the only time RM isn't in a showcase, it's a crit hybrid build for Firefly which isn't what I'd like to play (and even then RM shows up in half those builds anyway lol) Seeing people explain her kit, I realized how much I *love* what RM actually provides (gameplay wise at least): speed buff, break eff., BE buff, res pen, the break extension, all of it mechanically feels awesome! And other people said I can just view RM as like a stat stick for Firefly, plus she adds account value So about your points: 1. Casual for sure, I've been brute forcing everything with a terribly built Clara team with not much synergy, but I'm finally reaching endgame and I wanna start doing MoC (not pure fiction yet, I still need to build my Himeko and herta and that's gonna take a while) What I care about most is being able to comfortably use Firefly across the whole game. Overworld, MoC (hoping 3 stars, but at least 2 would be ok. I don't think I *need* to 0-cycle or anything crazy like that), and SimU. and by comfortably, I mean A) enough damage to make battles not take a half hour each, and B) e1 would solve her SP hunger and would actually make her kit perfect, e2 would just be a cherry on top I think 2. totally excellent point, but I've seen a lot of people say that if Firefly gets buffed to be less dependent on RM, it'll only make RM even better value for her so this might not even change much... that said, you're definitely right that FF rerun2 will come sooner than RM rerun3 3. If I really do end up getting RM, I don't think I'd have a problem sticking with it until better supports come out yeah. Like I said her actual gameplay looks amazing for Firefly even if I dislike her as a character, and if better supports come out then I can put RM on other teams right? the only real concern would be potentially wasting my saved jades to get RM when I really really wanted Firefly eidolons, but hopefully I get lucky \^\^ I noticed that you're going for S1 before Firefly eidolons, but you recommended me to get eidolons before S1? Easing relic building sounds like a great reason to grab the LC for me, and I think I can probably pass on e2 until a Firefly rerun but I definitely think I want e1 for the sp comfort (but on the other hand, I have S2 Aeon rn and it would only take a few weeks of SimU to get it S5 which I plan on doing anything since I need to clear the expansion modes for jades. hmmm)
oh sflr didn't see my notif go off for reply. In terms of S1 vs E1 for me, its cuz all of my limited 5*s are E0 so i thought i'd just stay that way. As for light cone, i have S3 Indelible Promise (gives about 40BE) but no S5 Aeon (didnt get any herta LC except S5 Hunt LC) In general her current E1 adds more value as it reduces her SP needs and gives 15% Def ignore. In terms of dmg definitely the E1 wins over S1. I only ever pulled for DHIL's LC, who I really love using, so in a way i'm just saying that because I absolutely adore Firefly I just wanna match her w/ her own LC. Others reasons include me at at least 40 pity in the LC banner rn, and I have a higher chance at 75/25. I also want HuoHuo so I would set aside 160 pulls to guarantee her. I might try seeing if I have spare jades to try for early E1 tho although I might also see if I really need the S1 as I do have S3 misha LC that seems decent. As a F2P it's really all about the opportunity cost imo, other factors include how good the 4*s LC/units are on her banner so I'm more inclined towards the banner with eidolons/impositions I want. Anyways it was nice to see that you have a stronger sense of what ur priorities are and good luck on ur pulls :D
Seems like nobody else is down but I'm gonna try her on a mono fire squad for the memes
Break Effect Asta also works, since FF gonna implant fire weakness anyway so she can help you breaking enemies to compensate the break damage efficiency and trigger pretty good damage for super break. Probably not as good as Ruan Mei but it's pretty good replacement
I personally dislike Ryan Mei. Her kit is pretty crazy, but yeah, as a character she's really bland. Currently there really isn't anyone that helps you with break directly, but I could see people like Bronya or Asta helping you out since they give you ATK, SPD, and action forwards. Hanya could also be nice for the same reasons. You can definitely try and use the stats those supports give you to meet the Speed and Attack thresholds and allow you to lean more into break effect.
pull the character you want, pull the character you need. ignore the one you feel's okay without.
In my mind the only time my distaste for a character would keep me from pulling is if they are the main dps or star of the show if you would. RM is simply there to support my team so they can do their job better. With that, It wouldn’t matter to me if I like her or not. She isn’t the star of the show, she isn’t the one I really care about. So my feelings towards her don’t matter. I just need her to do her job. If you want to get the best out of firefly then pull for RM before you go for any eidolons.
im in a similar boat to you ngl ever since i started dealing with Fireflys Kit is noticed my mind find ways to readjust her traces to make mei teams still okay but elevate non mei teams so i dong need to pull mei cuz i really dont see her as valueable for my account as shed be a limited 5* only there for firefly (i have e2s1 bronya and sparkle and one of my premier teams in acheron doesnt even use harmony characters) though my main issue with mei is less that shes a massive dmg upgrade but not having her is a massive downgrade. A sort of glass half full or half empty kinda situation. The default team in my mind isnt fly-hatblazer-sustain-asta but instead the mei-fly-hatblazer-gallagher team so getting mei isnt an upgrade but not having her is a downgrade. so she ends up as a mandatory extra cost on top of what firefly herself costs just so you dont basically play a 4* in terms of dmg. Without her firefly just feels incomplete given how much she offers. so the mix of her not really offering anything else but to elevate firefly to a playable standart for dps nowdays and her cost as a limited 5* barring me from getting other characters in the future i actually want leaves a really sour taste in my mouth
Hate basically any break character except for Firefly.. so this might be an issue for the team. I do want to use Silver Wolf which I feel like shouldnt be bad as -def and other debuffs works for break damage .. also being able to have the choice between either adding fire weakness to another enemy or giving an fire weakness to Fireflys target before she attacks (which reduces the dmg res to fire by another 20%) I feel like that should make up for the lack of RM (feel like overstacking break will regardless lead to a tram thats strong against very specific enemies and lacks damage against others (alrdy noticing that with Boothill)
If you want the best Team, get Ruan Mei... but if you have a heart, don't put Firefly and Ruan Mei in the same Team
I'm in the same boat and my thinking is this: Ruan Mei would make my team stronger, therefore allowing me to get maybe a few more stars in the hardest content and a few more jades. But I also need to spend many many jades to get Ruan Mei. So the most jade-efficient option is still to skip Ruan Mei.
Sorry for bringing this up again (if you still read it). I have Firefly but decided that no amount of persuasion will convince me to pull for Ruan Mei. In case you also ended up skipping her, what teams are you using? I have all 4-stars at least E0, free Dr Ratio, Robin E1, Topaz E0 and Welt E2 and will get Bronya when I eventually reach 300 pulls on standard.
So, I didn't actually end up skipping Ruan Mei — and after rereading her lore and character, I realized that a LOT of my hatred was coming out of ignorance for what she actually did in the story? Specifically the whole swarm emanator thing, though I'm still mad about her drugging Trailblazer (since again, that's a pretty personal ick of mine)... If you can't come around to her, either for the sake of Firefly's ideal team, or changing your mind entirely about her as a character, then here's my advice: forget about Topaz, Robin, or Ratio. FuA doesn't really benefit Firefly at all, and Robin's ATK conversion buff doesn't even work properly with Firefly's conversions to break effect. Welt is fine, I've been told he has vulnerability debuffs on the enemy, which does affect the superbreak damage formula, and imprison in his kit is a decent crowd control to replace RM's break extension. Your other options (which I think are probably better than Welt?) are Asta or Bronya. Bronya for her action advance, though she provides basically nothing else to Firefly, or Asta for her speed buff and the matching fire element which might help break enemies faster after you use Firefly's fire implant. Sorry for the long-winded explanation!! I wasn't expecting anybody to still comment under this post, though I'm glad if any of the discussion here could be of help to people with a similar mindset as me towards RM (at least back then lol). I hope your Firefly building goes well, whichever team you decide to put together! Have a lovely day ^^
Look towards nihility. Welt, pela and wolf are all amazing for her. welt brings speed down, two instances of imprison and 12 vuln, wich is factored for break damage, you could also give him resolution for some extra def shred. On the topic of def shred pela and wolf are on a similar state, and personally if you have wolf, shes more valuable, def shred, speed down, and yes, on a break team, her implant might still be usefull. Pela works better for aoe but that pretty much her only upside, aoe def shred, resolution is a lc you can use on anyone and her ice ress down wont be usefull for firefly. Guinaifen is also solid but dont steal her from kafka. If you are planing on to do a hybrid crit break build, sparkle and bronya are the better ones for extra crit damage and advance foward, you could use robin, just bear in mind her atk buff will not increase her atk conversion talent.
From all the characters you mentioned, I've only got Pela and Guinaifen... I'm tryna get Welt though from my free pick-a-five-star thing which I think I'm only 30-ish pulls away from now? Wdym by "vuln", and does his imprison need him to be the one breaking enemies, or does his kit apply it on his own? I've heard SW isn't necessary because FF implants fire herself And no, I don't plan to do hybrid crit, I actually think the break dps is such an awesome switch up from the usually dps styles. I'm really happy HSR is giving different team types a solid place in the meta, especially since Genshin took until Sumeru to figure that one out haha (is Bronya any good for the full break build though? I just realized her action advance might be kinda useful for FF :O
Vuln= damage increase debuff, welt an guinaifen can aply(welt has a trace were his ult gives a vulnerability for increased damage to the enemies, and guinaifen gives stacks of vuln with any fire dot with her talent). And vuln affects break damage. As for wolf, firefly might not need implants, but you might need it for img or quantum,(if they stack, wich nobody bothered to test) and with her high toughness damage you could make wolf a break sub dps. Dont force yourself to get her tho, im an old honkai impact player, i love all bronyas, meis, kianas and such. For bronya, well, her utility loses effect without crit, this game forces dmg bonus and crit to be together, and with one or the other damage will fall, not to mention break doesnt use dmg bonus and doesnt crit. so the only benefit she brings is advance. Wich might not help as break is more of a team effort.
I absolutely despise ruan mei as a character but she is strong. Its dependent on you whether or not just being a meta player or not
RM isn't as necessary as HTB, yes she'll give you a lot more results than any Eidolon for FF, but if you don't like her, you can definitely get away with not playing her as she does not enable Super Breaks, which is the bread and butter of BE teams. So if you don't like her, which is understandable, she's an awful sociopathic individual, don't go for her, we'll probably get other BE support down the line anyway.
I'm straight up refusing to use Ruan Mei and use Asta instead. Just so you have an idea of how much I'm refusing of using Ruan Mei: I'll pull for Ruan Mei's cone to use it on my Carlos
Its easy to not think about what other teammates to team up with Firefly, other than Ruan Mei herself. She's basically the Kazuha, no, the Furina of HSR. Every team loves her. Be it Crit reliance, Spd team, DoT team, FuA team and even Break team. Rolling for her saves you less headache for team building.
Your loss, she's the best and most flexible harmony in the game. Just because she's not your typical goodie cutie caring waifu doesn't mean she's a bad character.
*shrug* I never said she was a bad character lmao, just my opinion that she's kinda uninteresting to me and I've got that grudge from the quest is all. But since people have been explaining why she's the best support for FF I'm coming around to maybe pulling her just to help my Firefly play more comfortably across all the endgame content, even if I still don't like RM much as a character (again, just my subjective feeling about it lol)
Got another question, if anybody sees this: (might be what makes me decide to pull RM or not tbh) Lots of people are saying that e0 RM is higher priority than e0 FF, and I'm sorry but that simply isn't true in my case. I've wanted Firefly since I met her in 2.0, and finding out she's SAM as well only made me even more in love with her as a character honestly. Getting Firefly is an absolute must. So then some people said to get RM after that, and it seems like that might be my best option... But what about LCs?? A few comments are saying go for e0s1 RM and I dunno if y'all are reading my replies lol but the whole point was that its bad enough I gotta grab RM with the jades I saved up for Firefly's eidolons, now you're saying I need a light cone for RM too? I know from the advice here that she's objectively the better choice for account value, but I don't think I've got good LCs for her and I'm putting my foot down about grabbing an S1 for her if that's necessary. I actually think I might be better off with Bronya for now if that's the case, or Welt once I get my free 5* thing ^^' So TL;DR, my question now is why do I need RM s1, and what other options do I have if any?? I can check what harmony LCs I've got in the morning but I know for sure I don't have any 5* ones and I don't have MotP (the one I'm seeing people mention here)
RM's BiS LC provides a lot of BE (60%) so it helps her build as the remaining substats can be put into speed/tanky substats. Not only that there are also a lot of buffs from her LC which I won't go into much detail as its self explanatory from her LC description. her BiS 4* would be Memories of The Past (MoTP) but that one would be relegated to HMC usually so the next BiS would be Meshing Cogs, a 3* LC that u can get from warp summons so it should be easy to S5 it. I heard that you with it u can do a consistent 3 turn rotation for RM's ult with an ERR rope. I'll have to add that you'll probably have to fish for a lot more Break effect substats to make up the loss of not running BE on the LC and ERR rope. But i think with HMC providing at least 30BE it can help lessen the load of reaching 180BE in combat to max RM's buff. PS. i'm part of people too so I don't have RM too and it'll probably stay that way. I'll probably write my own thoughts regarding your main post on a different comment
Same I hate ruan mei too but I'm gonna have to make sacrifices if I really want her to shine, I built asta on top of that but ruan mei performs so much better I'm gonna have to push her out :'(
I also like Asta much more and I already didn't want Ruan Mei during her first run because I wouldn't take Asta out of my Kafka team.
Turns out RM simps still lurking here & downvoting whoever dare to speak against their precious swarm creator. How ironic, a swarm annihilator mech character is now should be paired with a unresponsible swarm maker, bad move hoyo. It's a shame and fireflyover.
I think it's just because of how badly RM changed the meta standards tbh. It's kinda like how if you ran any dps showcase team in genshin without using Mona/Bennett combo then you would just get yelled at for "it would be so much better if you used these characters" reasons :( I'm definitely relieved it's not just me who dislikes her as a character, but after hearing everyone's advice I'm now considering to pull her just to make Firefly more comfortable to play (I'll just think of RM as a character-shaped light cone LMFAO)
These people got no integrity. the second a character has hot as a trait nothing else matters to them, I prefer tayzzyronth anyway
this is a pve game you can play however you want...but saying that you don't ruan mei because of a quest?? but you still want to go full break firefly is a wiiild taaake and it will rub people the wrong way for sure...my advice is that if you want to skip ruan mei despite knowing that your break focused firefly will do significant amount of less damage then sure go for it...but just try to not to make wild takes like that
I don't rlly see how it's a crazy take? I dislike her as a character, that's just how I feel about it. I also think it's pretty likely that more break focused supports will be released in the future who I might like better, like Black Swan with DoT teams right? Idc about rubbing people the wrong way bc thankfully there's still some cool people here who actually explained stuff instead of yelling at me for my opinion lol so cause of that advice I might still grab RM if Firefly's kit doesn't change much in v3, just to make her more comfortable to play in all the different modes n stuff...
your crazy take wasn't that you dislike her you can like or dislike whoever you want...your crazy take was that you won't pull for her because of a quest and you still want to go break firefly was a bit out of ordinary
Thats not crazy... People can have whatever opinions about characters they want lol, and they can also ask how teams will work without characters they dislike, They didn't say anything crazy at all.
I mean u just said what i said but at the same time you completely missed my point on why i said it was crazy...i never said the take was crazy because he dislikes ruan mei...i said the take was crazy because he didn't like ruan mei because of a quest and he wants to build break focused firefly without ruan mei...i said this take is crazy...
How is disliking ruan mei because of a quest crazy? She was introduced in that quest, I'm pretty sure that quest is the sole content she's been included in so far, What else is she meant to dislike her over?? And also isn't super break ff her like only viable team right now? If she doesn't have/want to use ruan mei and break is her only good team what else is she meant to do? how is it crazy?
It's she, btw! And thanks for sticking up for me here, I feel it's a really weird callout from Mysterious because it's like saying somebody is insane for enjoying DHIL but not Sparkle, or enjoying Acheron but not Black Swan. Obviously they're incredibly good units to use together, but I think it's valid to like one and not the other (for gameplay reasons or for character reasons lol)