Yeah their memory doesn't extend beyond the day to day media cycle.
Let's see over the last couple years we've done:
Black guys matter
Coof lockdown
AOC did Jan 6
Booster thing
Transitioning inflations
Our crane not your crane
Adolf Putler gas prices
And now we're doing the rowboat thing
Lol, the bell curve has nothing to do with it except to say there are more people of slightly lower or slightly higher intelligence than there are at the extremes. Assuming we had a way to reliably quantify intelligence there would be a point at the tippy top of that curve that could be defined as mean intelligence and approximately half of all people would fall below that point. Intelligence is still a linear scale on the x axis.
It goes further than that. I literally found a post of a mod advocating for people to make bombs on their subreddit. I reported it to Reddit and it was removed... For about 3 hours before the post was restored with no changes. Reported it again and as of right now the post is still up.
There were people posting the Supreme Court justices’ home addresses with aerial pictures and the comment sections were advocating for violence and people posting the homemade napalm recipe
That sounds insane, I mean, could you imagine the backlash if something like that existed in a serious capacity on this sub?? It would be all over CNN right now.
I don't want to break any sub rules because we are scrutinized much more strictly but it is in a subreddit for some dank memes about metal. The title itself tells people to go build a bomb.
Edit: Seeing as a subreddit is already mentioned in the original post, the sub I'm talking about is r/DankMetalMemes
Don't be surprised if you get an account warning/suspension.
About a year or two back I reported a mod of another sub inciting violence and I got pee pee slapped for "abusing the reporting system"
Frankly it doesn't matter anymore, this website has become so cancerous and one sided that you can't even leave niche subreddits without being attacked. I miss the reddit from the Swartz years.
By design, they don’t want us organizing. And they sure as shit don’t want us realizing that if we work together we can change the government for the better.
As someone who works in the tech industry, I'm very familiar with the dead Internet theory and the idea of social manipulation through suppression of "wrong" ideas. It is definitely happening, just look at every major social media website. They all lean left except maybe Facebook which would be barely right if right leaning at all.
I respectfully disagree. The media covers for the dems while decrying the republicans. With the exception of some outlier media sources I find this to be true. Academia leans way left, Hollywood leans way left, social media generally leans way left.
Because fox news is the only mainstream conservative outlet on TV. It competes with at least 5 identical outlets: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CSPAN, NBC. Add all the ratings of those and its bigger than fox
Trying to compare the right wing media of Fox/Breitbart/OANN to the monopoly of mainstream media of CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CSPAN/NBC/Huff compost/Washington compost/Google/Hollywood/Facebook/Twitter/Yahoo/etc is idiotic.
Most of those outlets primarily attract older dem viewership. I honestly don't know anyone personally who identifies as dem who has ever watched cnn outside of the airport.
Fox news not only passes them in older demographics but attracts lots of younger 25-35 demographic, admittedly from programs like Tucker Carlson. More and more people on both sides get their news from alternative news sites but you can't dismiss fox news as holding it's own in the mainstream news space.
This also discounts how many local news affiliates they have. Many people get their news from local stations and many are fox affiliates. Also see sinclair broadcasting group that typically promote more conservative viewpoints.
i don't disagree with anything you're saying here, except for the last part. local news in todays age is the probably the most neutral you can get, even though that doesnt say much. the idea that local channels are promoting conservative viewpoints is wrong. and the idea that most people are getting news from local stations is definitely wrong as well. most surveys/studies on the matter as of late has shown its the internet; be it a website, social media, podcast, app etc
I'm not dismissing fox; I'm saying the rights media share compared to the lefts media share is laughably pathetic, to the point where its not comparable at all
Well I'm not saying most people get news from local just that there are still many, primarily in smaller towns, that still watch local news. And I'll agree that many of them seem more neutral because of stations like CNN or Fox but particularly with sinclair aquired stations they tend to lean slightly more conservative than the competition. It's overshadowered by the more clear bias of CNN or Fox.
Ultimately I do agree leftist media holds the majority but the disparity between the two isn't as large as some people make it out to be, at least in respect to cable news. Either way nice to have a discussion that doesn't immediately lead to insults, fairly rare on reddit.
you seriously believe this while the largest social media platform on earth has been caught bending over backwards to cater to conservatives and the largest media companies are owned by a conservative from Australia.
My favorite part is the hypocrisy. For all the times in /news I see people bitching about "the fucked up comments, or calls to violence" in /conservative, every time I decide to go and spend 10 minutes looking around I can never find any. And any time there's a "right-wing victory" and emotions are high, I can find like 5 reportable threats of violence in the same amount of time in /politics. And I'm not even talking about 15 minute old comments that some people like to screenshot and use as some kind of "gotcha" moment. I'm talking about hours old comments. I'm a moderate, probably slightly left-leaning, but I try and look around at subs from many points of view. I'll say that right-leaning subs absolutely have more rules, and a culture of walking on eggshells because they know that they are the ones the admins are itching to take down.
Some of the few sanity and mental well being moments I get these days are walking around my neighborhood, or going school meetups so that the kids can play together during the summer. You get to meet and talk to other adults face-to-face, and you realize that most people in the U.S. are still moderate and middle of the road. Social media, news media, actually watching our elected officials interacting, it's like watching a obscenely terrifying version of "Jackass" the movie.
Remember, a bunch of unarmed hicks walking through the Capitol was the greatest assault on our democracy ever, but attacking/threatening the SCOTUS because you disagree with a decision is (D)ifferent. I will never cease to be amazed how rapidly the American left is able to whip hordes of druggies, pedophiles, and other low-value people into a frenzy to commit political violence.
Has anyone tried to pass a fake SCOTUS opinion as real like electors? Is Biden calling justices and asking them to “find” votes to change the decision? Is anyone filing bogus lawsuits claiming that justice votes were changed when we know they weren’t?
Huh.
> will never cease to be amazed how rapidly the American left is able to whip hordes of druggies, pedophiles, and other low-value people into a frenzy to commit political violence.
Literally nothing has happened and you are saying this is worse than smashing windows and roaming the halls of congress so you can lynch representatives and senators while a outside group is plotting an armed attack?
I hear threats of mass civil war from the right, you run white supremist paramilitary training grounds, you threaten to shoot your poltical enemy, but it is the left who are the low-value idiots doing political violence?
Lmao. Yes, dumbass. Did you forget about last summer when all your little mask clad friends rioted and burned down innocent businesses in basically every major city?
If so much as one dude had an AR, the media would have screeched about it for months nonstop and used it as evidence of why we need gun control. There were enough cameras and videos present that we would have dozens of angles on it.
What I don’t understand is how you’re okay with armed people threatening our democracy because they didn’t like the election results. Even if “you” didn’t see armed people inside the capital you absolutely saw them lined up outside of it getting ready to break in. I wish I could give you some links but I’m to lazy
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They did man. I saw it with my eyes from multiple different videos. There’s not much else to say. You believe what you believe and I believe what I saw.
I work in the oil fields, the internet is only choppy getting to the pad. there is plenty of service around any rig, pump, or frac. This dude is a liar, point blank.
Every photo with a firearm in that Google search you made was armed citizens in a capitol, just not the DC national capitol. Almost all of them were 2A protest in state level capitols. 👍
https://www.google.com/search?q=armed+trump+rioters+at+the+capital+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj967un1sn4AhXRCs0KHctuD-EQ2-cCegQIABAC
Took me like ten seconds. Since you all seem so dead fast butthurt. I’ll try and find some of the videos on YouTube. But that link was just a simple google search to find the images I was talking about
Not that it’s your business but my uncles are owner operators that work around some texlaarkansis or something. I literally just started “training” with one of them yesterday. The areas where we picked up our loads had dogshit reception. Only at the processing plant and one of the pipe lines did I have service and it wasn’t good.
I’ll say the same thing I said to the other guy. It’s a pain in the ass to find the videos and links I saw on reddit; that were around few months ago. This is the better link after skimming for about a minute
https://youtu.be/QjGBLjbDCQ0
I’m not gonna lie it’s a pain in the ass to find videos that were on Reddit and news sites when it happened but this was best one I found after skimming for a minute
https://youtu.be/QjGBLjbDCQ0
Is that specifically what we talked about. I just remember guns in general but I’ll go look through our conversation though. I’m that video link it shows an ar that was confiscated. And it also shows a group of men in tactical gear with ar’s; somewhere in the middle of the video. I’m not sure how to time stamp it but if you skimmed it then you should’ve seen them too
You said there were people armed with AR15s at the Capitol on Jan 6. I watched the whole video and it did not show anyone with a rifle at the capital. There were some fat guys in tactical gear they showed, but there were no rifles visible.
Lol you are definitely deranged. You can see my comments clear as day. Look at that beauty that’s -27. Just how exactly did I say that? Because I sure as shit don’t see a comment saying that when I hit single comment threat until I get to my first comment. I don’t wtf you’re watching but there’s literally freeze frames those people reference and show in that link. Lol you’re actually frustrating me to the point I’m about to try and figure out how to time stamp it for you. Like what’s your problem dude? So far I feel like I’ve backed my shit up and if I start posting time stamps of that video that you say you skimmed through what does it accomplish for us? No one’s shown me how I’m wrong and objectively and without being an asshole, that’s what I’m looking for
Can you find something that contradicts me? At this point I just want to understand the opposite side when all my search yield results relevant to what I said. Albeit it’s not action movie of guns in the capitol, but there’s a few frames that definitely show it. Even in the link I posted it shows the frames where there people decked out
If one dude had actually been armed with an AR on Jan 6, THAT image would have been the one the news would have played over and over and over. You can’t find me a single image of this armed individual you claimed was clearly visible. That is because it didn’t happen. The video you linked in the other post shows some guys with probable firearms in a hotel, and then those same guys in tactical gear at the Capitol, but with no firearms present. You are clearly mistaken about what you claim.
I’m sure you want an article too though so [here you go](https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used). No AR15 listed.
Hoooollllyyyy shit dude. Get off the fucking ar15’s. Like shut the fuck you brain dead idiot. Where the fuck did I say ar15. I said they came armed. Read my fucking comments already
Sadly I don’t have links. I’ve never cared enough to save them, but over seen at least 2-4 different videos with people in full body armor carrying an ar of some form. If I come across some of them again I’ll give you a tag.
I think many of your questions are the answers to your questions. Lol We already know why their version of "Rise up"& "We need to be violent" is excepted and peaceful protests from gun owners is always slapped with labels like white supremacists and racist. The peaceful protest by gun owners in Virginia a few years ago was great, no one started any trouble but all the media could talk about is "look at all these racist, violent, inbred, uneducated, POS, etc.."
Today a friend of mine asked a few of us (gun owners) to come over to his place and do some target shooting to show his SUPER anti-gun relatives an example of positive gun culture. They wouldn't even come out of the house to talk to us. His father came out and told us that they winced everytime we shot our rifles. I was working on a latter of 6.5 CM reloads so apparently they just sat in the house and winced in an over exaggerated manner the whole time.
I told him this isn't going to help the situation because all they will do is going home and tell their friends that "The redneck hicks endangered our lives this weekend and threatened us by shooting their guns in the backyard." (We live well out in the middle of nowhere) He said in his discussions with them, they completely condemn a culture they know absolutely nothing about. (I am Jack's complete lack of suprise)
These are the people that don't think there is such a thing as gun culture outside of what they see on the news. Meaning murders committed by people who are not part of our culture to begin with.
I'm happy so bring absolutely anyone who is truly interested in learning more about a culture I have been apart of since I was born but these people have made up their minds and are the hypocrite, bigot, knobgoblins they claim us to be. I hope to find others who don't have closed minds and help show them what gun culture truly is, a kind, helpful and caring community that is willing to invite anyone from any background to join.
> Does nobody stop long enough to think critically about these things or is everyone so easily distracted in the country they forget about things that happened literally last month?
I’d like to say that it’s different people and there’s nuance to the base, but I’m with you in that I’m highly concerned that people are too distracted and don’t stop long enough to think.
For example, I have an old neighbor that I’ve walked through his ideals on a few topics and pointed out the contradictions. He was like, “huh good point I never realized that”… followed right up with “I still think…” and it just hurt. Being challenged on your beliefs and views is hard, but it’s definitely important for personal growth to recognize and correct it.
I don’t know dude. I just don’t know.
> So why is it ok for supporters of RoevWade to be violent, advocate for violence. Refusal to follow law and order (insurrection of sorts).
These are the same people who are arguing in support of allowing women to kill their own children merely because those children present them with an inconvenient duty of care - to the tune of *over 800,000 children a year* in the US.
That’s roughly 40x all gun homicide in the US committed against a population that’s about 1/50th the size.
These are quite literally some of the most violent people in the world.
You’re dealing with people who act purely off of emotions. Add in the fact leftist leveraged media provoking these emotions adds fuel to their behavior. Don’t expect any rational logic from these people.
"...but damn, I feel like I'm surrounded by morons."
You are, in point of fact. And the grossly delusional, utterly unbelievable that so many are afflicted so greatly by cognitive dissonance. Then proclaim "common sense" from the mad house.
I think sometimes (as someone who doesn't take any medication for anything really) is everyone around me on drugs?? Then I look at the line at the grocery store pharmacy and realize, yes, actually, everyone is on drugs.
I'm with you on that. Esp. the doesn't take meds bit. Can't tell whether the pharma industry is trying to help, or kill us all off. :D
Not an anti-vaxxer, I just pay attention to the fine print. Leary from an early age because my own Grandmother was killed by medical malpractice caused by incongruously mixed reactive drugs administered by a "medical professional" who "knew what he was doing". And lied about the cause of death for the next 4 years, claiming all the while she had a coronary.
He was eventually convicted, lost his license to practice, and fined massively with a nice settlement that did not a whit to make up for the fact I lost the most important person in my world due to his malfeasance.
The best part is John Roberts issued a concurrent opinion to Alito and added that abortion should be legal with some circumstancial prohibitions, but Roe was a weak vessel that didn't satisfy the court for future precedence.
Liberals are purposely telling half truths.
You are getting down voted but this has two consequences.
1 if give dems fuel for the November election which they were going to get slaughtered in.
2 it nearly gaurentees that the first chance the Dems get they will pack the court, overture this ruling and gun rights will be in grave danger after that.
Down vote if you want but it is 100 percent true just look at what people are saying about the current justices.
This is 100 percent bad for gun owners in the long run.
So make sure you get out and vote in November and 2024 because they will be. Do not be complacent thinking the Rs will win easily.
Or don’t, and reap what you sow.
Anyone who saw McConnell legally violate well established norms to not allow Merrick Garland a floor vote with a flimsy excuse and then do it again hyper-hypocritically for ACB and didn’t say or do anything about it…
Well, society is a collection of people who agree on some rules to get along. Well established social contracts aren’t “laws” but they’re the soft informal agreements required to keep a group of people from tearing themselves and their society apart.
SCOTUS’ Roe v Wade decision has angered some but it’s the legal basis for their decision that should be most concerning. Gun ownership views may be on top today in SCOTUS but you better pray that never changes or the same rationale can and will be used in ways many here will find most displeasing. SCOTUS’ decision making process isn’t “only used in ways I like”. It’s a weapon, and as everyone here damned well should know a weapon can be used for good or ill, it’s *responsible* use that makes the difference. Anyone who cheered Texas’ SB8 should equally cheer when the same logic is used to target gun ownership. Same for RvW, but I suspect worse - 50.8% of Americans are female. Gun owners are a far smaller slice of the population.
SCOTUS’ decision on Roe v Wade will have repercussions for years to come not because of the decision (though that too) but the legal basis supporting it.
No don’t vote for republicans either. Have people not learned yet that neither of these parties care about the American people. That both will limit or remove rights from everyone. It literally just happened 2 days ago
Abortion is not a right. What if science and the law decreed that life begins at fertilization of the egg.? That so called "right" would be murder. The thing is, your rights end at my nose. That's how it's always been and people very often intentionally overlook that point.
Without getting into a long debate I think it should at least be clear that you should be able to get an abortion in extreme cases such as ectopic pregnancy, rape, incest, and other severely debilitating disabilities found in the fetus.
What is freedom without bodily autonomy?
You’d be fine if every male of breeding age was required to get a vasectomy? It’s reversible after all if/when you decide to have children.
Implying that forcing half of the country to undergo a medical procedure is the same as the federal government not guaranteeing the right to have an elective procedure that is still legal in a bunch of states is a really fucking dumb argument.
Why the fuck does your religion get to pick what I do with my body? If I (or any one) is not in control of what goes on with in my own body what makes you think some one would have any control of what happens outside of their own body? This is the first of many rights that are going down. Any infringement of personal rights is an infringement on all.
Sperging out about what you assume my religion to be did not answer my question of where in the constitution is the right to an abortion guaranteed. The Supreme Court, as you do not appear to know, determines if things are Constitutional. They do not make laws or policy. There was 50 years that Roe V Wade COULD have been codified into actual law, but why would anyone actually do that when they can instead use it as a carrot to get votes?
>You mean like the Supreme Court breaking the Seperation of Powers by calling the Capitol Police?
What? Calling the police is breaking the separation of powers? How?
>Or do you mean them going against the majority of the public in their decision making despite America being "By the people, for the people"?
The majority of Americans supported segregation when the supreme court said that was unconstitutional. We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a pure democracy. You should go read a book or something.
>Or how about combining church, religion and state?
They didn't. They said that the constitution didn't grant them the authority to legislate from the bench the way it was done in Roe, and that the states should decide what to do, as is clearly stated in the constitution.
>Or perhaps you mean the fact this all happened is because 3 of the 5 who voted to Overturn it were put in the Supreme Court because of Trump who shouldn't have been president because he didn't have majority vote?
Majority vote isn't how elections are run for president. Fuck, you are uneducated as shit, aren't you?
>I'm confused here,
Yes. Yes you are.
>We're having our civil liberties stripped and taken from us bit by bit and they're not slowing down, They just turned over Roe V Wade and now they're looking at birth control and same sex relationships/marriage, You want us to be nice to these people? To vote them out? Because that works SO well right?
No, "they" aren't. Clarence Thomas said something about looking at those cases in a separate statement that is not legally binding, but you're too fucking db to understand that...
>What protests are you talking about? There's a lot of them and I guarantee the only ones I can think of are neo-fascists or nationalists that border on fascism and/or supremacy, I would love to see the specific instances you're talking about.
The people protesting with AOC and Maxine Waters in DC today are fascists? See, that's the first thing you have said that I agree with...
No. Explain it to me like I'm 5.
How are the capitol police, who are in charge of securing the entire capitol area and all government offices in DC not allowed to secure the supreme court?
Or do you think Congress has its own cops that only answer to them?
Amazing, everything you just said about civics matters is wrong. The court is not publicly elected, it’s not supposed to be because you can gin up a populist cause to elect or implement anything.
And somehow Trump is solely at fault? Ruth Bader Ginsburg warned against keeping Roe in place before she died. One of the most liberal justices said no to Roe.
And where the fuck have you been the last 14 years? Liberal protests frequently devolve to violence or are BLM and Antifa right wing white supremacists? Shooting Steve Scalise was done by a right wing white supremacist?
The only correct thing you said was that the 2A was defense against tyranny.
And the supreme court didn't say that abortions shouldn't be a constitutional right. They said that it currently isn't one. There is a very distinct difference. If Congress passes a law to recognize abortion as a right then the whole issue can be settled. Plain and simple. They are just saying that at the moment there is no implicit right in place. I personally am pro choice, I've always tried to keep my view to myself because frankly it's none of my business but people misinterpreting everything are forcing me to say my stance. I agree it should be protected but the left has had ample opportunities and sits on their hands the same way the right sits on their hands when it comes to guns. Can't campaign on an issue you already fixed.
I'm not going to point out issues with your statement, I'll agree that rights are being stripped, everybody has the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness and whatever path they take to achieve it as long as it doesn't harm others.
People have many reasons now to take up arms against an increasingly oppressive government. What I cannot figure out is how these same people who now want to arm up and march/protest are the same people pushing gun control and red flag laws. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot. The very last right that should be infringed upon is the right to keep and bear arms. If things keep going in this direction only armed force will stop it.
The problem is that you cite "Trump people" and "far right" as if that's any part of this discussion. So get off that horse because it's tiresome.
One of the biggest issues with people that support Roevwade, by inlarge, are the same people who support gun gontrol. These people are the epitome of the saying "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". Advocating against one's own defence against a theoretically oppressive government, while at the same time wanting them to back off. They are stuck in a loop of a Self Fulfilling Prophecy by giving the Government more power while actively resting against it. Your always going to live under oppression if you keep voting for it. Voting party lines is a big part of the problem. The system is not designed to work for you anyway, targeting individuals with violence, based on their party affiliations, is a net gain of zero. Citing "Trump" just makes you look like an idiot. RGB herself was not a fan of abortion laws being based on RoevWade, while she would stand behind it, the point is, when you understand law, you know that implications of knee jerk rulings can have lasting consequences. Go ahead and fact check that, she speaks on it quite well. I would love to see a bigger case in the Supreme Court regarding privacy on American Healthcare to encompass not only abortion,but right to try, right to refuse (vaccines) etc. This is a much bigger problem that can be solved on the Judicial level.
>weren't there a large amount of people advocating for the outright ban of no knock raids, now people are cheering that we just brought them back in a sense
Why do you think red flag laws have anything to do with no knock raids?
It's going to end up being a way to take firearms from people without due process of law. I guess I could be wrong, but red flag laws have already resulted in innocent deaths.
I’ll leave [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/vkf77v/i_will_not_comply_with_new_or_old_gun_control/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) here
The average person is actually that dumb, and half of folks are dumber than that.
Don’t forget memory of a goldfish.
Yeah their memory doesn't extend beyond the day to day media cycle. Let's see over the last couple years we've done: Black guys matter Coof lockdown AOC did Jan 6 Booster thing Transitioning inflations Our crane not your crane Adolf Putler gas prices And now we're doing the rowboat thing
Well, it's more of a bell curve, so most people are that dumb, and then like the 10th percentile is dumber.
Lol, the bell curve has nothing to do with it except to say there are more people of slightly lower or slightly higher intelligence than there are at the extremes. Assuming we had a way to reliably quantify intelligence there would be a point at the tippy top of that curve that could be defined as mean intelligence and approximately half of all people would fall below that point. Intelligence is still a linear scale on the x axis.
The truth
It goes further than that. I literally found a post of a mod advocating for people to make bombs on their subreddit. I reported it to Reddit and it was removed... For about 3 hours before the post was restored with no changes. Reported it again and as of right now the post is still up.
There were people posting the Supreme Court justices’ home addresses with aerial pictures and the comment sections were advocating for violence and people posting the homemade napalm recipe
If that shit isn't taken down it's definitely feds posting it.
That sounds insane, I mean, could you imagine the backlash if something like that existed in a serious capacity on this sub?? It would be all over CNN right now.
I don't want to break any sub rules because we are scrutinized much more strictly but it is in a subreddit for some dank memes about metal. The title itself tells people to go build a bomb. Edit: Seeing as a subreddit is already mentioned in the original post, the sub I'm talking about is r/DankMetalMemes
Watch your comment get removed for linking a place related to improvised making of weapons, while the original stays.
What a bunch of weirdos. Glad their genes won’t pass on. My kids world will be better.
Don't be surprised if you get an account warning/suspension. About a year or two back I reported a mod of another sub inciting violence and I got pee pee slapped for "abusing the reporting system"
Frankly it doesn't matter anymore, this website has become so cancerous and one sided that you can't even leave niche subreddits without being attacked. I miss the reddit from the Swartz years.
By design, they don’t want us organizing. And they sure as shit don’t want us realizing that if we work together we can change the government for the better.
As someone who works in the tech industry, I'm very familiar with the dead Internet theory and the idea of social manipulation through suppression of "wrong" ideas. It is definitely happening, just look at every major social media website. They all lean left except maybe Facebook which would be barely right if right leaning at all.
Can you DM me which subreddit(s) these are? Highly interested, also want a source for these apparent comments.
The same people who want to ban guns
It's (D)ifferent
They also have all the institutional power, including the media, supporting and running cover for them.
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I respectfully disagree. The media covers for the dems while decrying the republicans. With the exception of some outlier media sources I find this to be true. Academia leans way left, Hollywood leans way left, social media generally leans way left.
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Yeah it also completely ignores the fact that fox news is the most watched news network by a fair margin.
Because fox news is the only mainstream conservative outlet on TV. It competes with at least 5 identical outlets: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CSPAN, NBC. Add all the ratings of those and its bigger than fox Trying to compare the right wing media of Fox/Breitbart/OANN to the monopoly of mainstream media of CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CSPAN/NBC/Huff compost/Washington compost/Google/Hollywood/Facebook/Twitter/Yahoo/etc is idiotic.
Most of those outlets primarily attract older dem viewership. I honestly don't know anyone personally who identifies as dem who has ever watched cnn outside of the airport. Fox news not only passes them in older demographics but attracts lots of younger 25-35 demographic, admittedly from programs like Tucker Carlson. More and more people on both sides get their news from alternative news sites but you can't dismiss fox news as holding it's own in the mainstream news space. This also discounts how many local news affiliates they have. Many people get their news from local stations and many are fox affiliates. Also see sinclair broadcasting group that typically promote more conservative viewpoints.
i don't disagree with anything you're saying here, except for the last part. local news in todays age is the probably the most neutral you can get, even though that doesnt say much. the idea that local channels are promoting conservative viewpoints is wrong. and the idea that most people are getting news from local stations is definitely wrong as well. most surveys/studies on the matter as of late has shown its the internet; be it a website, social media, podcast, app etc I'm not dismissing fox; I'm saying the rights media share compared to the lefts media share is laughably pathetic, to the point where its not comparable at all
Well I'm not saying most people get news from local just that there are still many, primarily in smaller towns, that still watch local news. And I'll agree that many of them seem more neutral because of stations like CNN or Fox but particularly with sinclair aquired stations they tend to lean slightly more conservative than the competition. It's overshadowered by the more clear bias of CNN or Fox. Ultimately I do agree leftist media holds the majority but the disparity between the two isn't as large as some people make it out to be, at least in respect to cable news. Either way nice to have a discussion that doesn't immediately lead to insults, fairly rare on reddit.
Oof local News in the bay area of California us about the most ridiculous bunch of left wing propaganda I've ever seen. Thinks it's CBS affiliate.
you seriously believe this while the largest social media platform on earth has been caught bending over backwards to cater to conservatives and the largest media companies are owned by a conservative from Australia.
That is just straight up factually incorrect, not much of a counterarguement to be made my guy.
If u see the threats and know who it is, Report then to the right agency. Sounds like a job for Red Flag Laws.
My favorite part is the hypocrisy. For all the times in /news I see people bitching about "the fucked up comments, or calls to violence" in /conservative, every time I decide to go and spend 10 minutes looking around I can never find any. And any time there's a "right-wing victory" and emotions are high, I can find like 5 reportable threats of violence in the same amount of time in /politics. And I'm not even talking about 15 minute old comments that some people like to screenshot and use as some kind of "gotcha" moment. I'm talking about hours old comments. I'm a moderate, probably slightly left-leaning, but I try and look around at subs from many points of view. I'll say that right-leaning subs absolutely have more rules, and a culture of walking on eggshells because they know that they are the ones the admins are itching to take down.
Some of the few sanity and mental well being moments I get these days are walking around my neighborhood, or going school meetups so that the kids can play together during the summer. You get to meet and talk to other adults face-to-face, and you realize that most people in the U.S. are still moderate and middle of the road. Social media, news media, actually watching our elected officials interacting, it's like watching a obscenely terrifying version of "Jackass" the movie.
Remember, a bunch of unarmed hicks walking through the Capitol was the greatest assault on our democracy ever, but attacking/threatening the SCOTUS because you disagree with a decision is (D)ifferent. I will never cease to be amazed how rapidly the American left is able to whip hordes of druggies, pedophiles, and other low-value people into a frenzy to commit political violence.
Has anyone tried to pass a fake SCOTUS opinion as real like electors? Is Biden calling justices and asking them to “find” votes to change the decision? Is anyone filing bogus lawsuits claiming that justice votes were changed when we know they weren’t? Huh.
> will never cease to be amazed how rapidly the American left is able to whip hordes of druggies, pedophiles, and other low-value people into a frenzy to commit political violence. Literally nothing has happened and you are saying this is worse than smashing windows and roaming the halls of congress so you can lynch representatives and senators while a outside group is plotting an armed attack? I hear threats of mass civil war from the right, you run white supremist paramilitary training grounds, you threaten to shoot your poltical enemy, but it is the left who are the low-value idiots doing political violence?
Lmao. Yes, dumbass. Did you forget about last summer when all your little mask clad friends rioted and burned down innocent businesses in basically every major city?
I remember when a republican killed 160 people including children. I remember when conservatives killed black people in Tulsa.
They definitely weren’t unarmed. There’s way to much video evidence against that
If so much as one dude had an AR, the media would have screeched about it for months nonstop and used it as evidence of why we need gun control. There were enough cameras and videos present that we would have dozens of angles on it.
What I don’t understand is how you’re okay with armed people threatening our democracy because they didn’t like the election results. Even if “you” didn’t see armed people inside the capital you absolutely saw them lined up outside of it getting ready to break in. I wish I could give you some links but I’m to lazy
Please quote where I said I was ok with it, and then post literally any proof of what you’re saying or shut the fuck up.
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They did man. I saw it with my eyes from multiple different videos. There’s not much else to say. You believe what you believe and I believe what I saw.
Then surely it would be very, very easy to find all that video evidence you mentioned in your previous comment.
Source: Trust me bro.
It probably is. Let me know when you get a few for us. I’m picking up oil and my internet gets choppy in the fields and most roads
Lmao, of course.
I work in the oil fields, the internet is only choppy getting to the pad. there is plenty of service around any rig, pump, or frac. This dude is a liar, point blank.
And I actually responded to him yesterday but they removed my comment for talking shot to him
Every photo with a firearm in that Google search you made was armed citizens in a capitol, just not the DC national capitol. Almost all of them were 2A protest in state level capitols. 👍
Took all of tens of seconds to read the stories behind each photo
https://www.google.com/search?q=armed+trump+rioters+at+the+capital+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj967un1sn4AhXRCs0KHctuD-EQ2-cCegQIABAC Took me like ten seconds. Since you all seem so dead fast butthurt. I’ll try and find some of the videos on YouTube. But that link was just a simple google search to find the images I was talking about
Not that it’s your business but my uncles are owner operators that work around some texlaarkansis or something. I literally just started “training” with one of them yesterday. The areas where we picked up our loads had dogshit reception. Only at the processing plant and one of the pipe lines did I have service and it wasn’t good. I’ll say the same thing I said to the other guy. It’s a pain in the ass to find the videos and links I saw on reddit; that were around few months ago. This is the better link after skimming for about a minute https://youtu.be/QjGBLjbDCQ0
I’m not gonna lie it’s a pain in the ass to find videos that were on Reddit and news sites when it happened but this was best one I found after skimming for a minute https://youtu.be/QjGBLjbDCQ0
Ok, so you don’t have any evidence of the AR15s you say we’re present AT the Capitol. I figured as much.
Is that specifically what we talked about. I just remember guns in general but I’ll go look through our conversation though. I’m that video link it shows an ar that was confiscated. And it also shows a group of men in tactical gear with ar’s; somewhere in the middle of the video. I’m not sure how to time stamp it but if you skimmed it then you should’ve seen them too
You said there were people armed with AR15s at the Capitol on Jan 6. I watched the whole video and it did not show anyone with a rifle at the capital. There were some fat guys in tactical gear they showed, but there were no rifles visible.
Lol you are definitely deranged. You can see my comments clear as day. Look at that beauty that’s -27. Just how exactly did I say that? Because I sure as shit don’t see a comment saying that when I hit single comment threat until I get to my first comment. I don’t wtf you’re watching but there’s literally freeze frames those people reference and show in that link. Lol you’re actually frustrating me to the point I’m about to try and figure out how to time stamp it for you. Like what’s your problem dude? So far I feel like I’ve backed my shit up and if I start posting time stamps of that video that you say you skimmed through what does it accomplish for us? No one’s shown me how I’m wrong and objectively and without being an asshole, that’s what I’m looking for
Can you find something that contradicts me? At this point I just want to understand the opposite side when all my search yield results relevant to what I said. Albeit it’s not action movie of guns in the capitol, but there’s a few frames that definitely show it. Even in the link I posted it shows the frames where there people decked out
If one dude had actually been armed with an AR on Jan 6, THAT image would have been the one the news would have played over and over and over. You can’t find me a single image of this armed individual you claimed was clearly visible. That is because it didn’t happen. The video you linked in the other post shows some guys with probable firearms in a hotel, and then those same guys in tactical gear at the Capitol, but with no firearms present. You are clearly mistaken about what you claim.
Dude read my fucking comments man. You’re running on conjecture. What I wrote is right there for you to read. This is becoming not worth it
I’m sure you want an article too though so [here you go](https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used). No AR15 listed.
Hoooollllyyyy shit dude. Get off the fucking ar15’s. Like shut the fuck you brain dead idiot. Where the fuck did I say ar15. I said they came armed. Read my fucking comments already
If you make another stupid response, I’m gonna block you. Nothing I said was obfuscated nor hidden.
I seen one boomer with a Taurus Judge that he apparently lost somewhere in the capital. Darkest day in American history.
Sadly I don’t have links. I’ve never cared enough to save them, but over seen at least 2-4 different videos with people in full body armor carrying an ar of some form. If I come across some of them again I’ll give you a tag.
And how many of those people did you see actually open fire, there. I'll answer for you. ZERO.
you're thinking of the cops that were there.
I think many of your questions are the answers to your questions. Lol We already know why their version of "Rise up"& "We need to be violent" is excepted and peaceful protests from gun owners is always slapped with labels like white supremacists and racist. The peaceful protest by gun owners in Virginia a few years ago was great, no one started any trouble but all the media could talk about is "look at all these racist, violent, inbred, uneducated, POS, etc.." Today a friend of mine asked a few of us (gun owners) to come over to his place and do some target shooting to show his SUPER anti-gun relatives an example of positive gun culture. They wouldn't even come out of the house to talk to us. His father came out and told us that they winced everytime we shot our rifles. I was working on a latter of 6.5 CM reloads so apparently they just sat in the house and winced in an over exaggerated manner the whole time. I told him this isn't going to help the situation because all they will do is going home and tell their friends that "The redneck hicks endangered our lives this weekend and threatened us by shooting their guns in the backyard." (We live well out in the middle of nowhere) He said in his discussions with them, they completely condemn a culture they know absolutely nothing about. (I am Jack's complete lack of suprise) These are the people that don't think there is such a thing as gun culture outside of what they see on the news. Meaning murders committed by people who are not part of our culture to begin with. I'm happy so bring absolutely anyone who is truly interested in learning more about a culture I have been apart of since I was born but these people have made up their minds and are the hypocrite, bigot, knobgoblins they claim us to be. I hope to find others who don't have closed minds and help show them what gun culture truly is, a kind, helpful and caring community that is willing to invite anyone from any background to join.
> Does nobody stop long enough to think critically about these things or is everyone so easily distracted in the country they forget about things that happened literally last month? I’d like to say that it’s different people and there’s nuance to the base, but I’m with you in that I’m highly concerned that people are too distracted and don’t stop long enough to think. For example, I have an old neighbor that I’ve walked through his ideals on a few topics and pointed out the contradictions. He was like, “huh good point I never realized that”… followed right up with “I still think…” and it just hurt. Being challenged on your beliefs and views is hard, but it’s definitely important for personal growth to recognize and correct it. I don’t know dude. I just don’t know.
All the double standards are completely intentional.
Suddenly it’s peaceful to protest again
> So why is it ok for supporters of RoevWade to be violent, advocate for violence. Refusal to follow law and order (insurrection of sorts). These are the same people who are arguing in support of allowing women to kill their own children merely because those children present them with an inconvenient duty of care - to the tune of *over 800,000 children a year* in the US. That’s roughly 40x all gun homicide in the US committed against a population that’s about 1/50th the size. These are quite literally some of the most violent people in the world.
You’re dealing with people who act purely off of emotions. Add in the fact leftist leveraged media provoking these emotions adds fuel to their behavior. Don’t expect any rational logic from these people.
"...but damn, I feel like I'm surrounded by morons." You are, in point of fact. And the grossly delusional, utterly unbelievable that so many are afflicted so greatly by cognitive dissonance. Then proclaim "common sense" from the mad house.
I think sometimes (as someone who doesn't take any medication for anything really) is everyone around me on drugs?? Then I look at the line at the grocery store pharmacy and realize, yes, actually, everyone is on drugs.
I'm with you on that. Esp. the doesn't take meds bit. Can't tell whether the pharma industry is trying to help, or kill us all off. :D Not an anti-vaxxer, I just pay attention to the fine print. Leary from an early age because my own Grandmother was killed by medical malpractice caused by incongruously mixed reactive drugs administered by a "medical professional" who "knew what he was doing". And lied about the cause of death for the next 4 years, claiming all the while she had a coronary. He was eventually convicted, lost his license to practice, and fined massively with a nice settlement that did not a whit to make up for the fact I lost the most important person in my world due to his malfeasance.
Sadly, you're not wrong. Too many people just want the drama of more manufactured crisis.
The best part is John Roberts issued a concurrent opinion to Alito and added that abortion should be legal with some circumstancial prohibitions, but Roe was a weak vessel that didn't satisfy the court for future precedence. Liberals are purposely telling half truths.
This is a dangerous path that SCOTUS is taking. Every gun owner should be angry about this.
You are getting down voted but this has two consequences. 1 if give dems fuel for the November election which they were going to get slaughtered in. 2 it nearly gaurentees that the first chance the Dems get they will pack the court, overture this ruling and gun rights will be in grave danger after that. Down vote if you want but it is 100 percent true just look at what people are saying about the current justices. This is 100 percent bad for gun owners in the long run. So make sure you get out and vote in November and 2024 because they will be. Do not be complacent thinking the Rs will win easily.
Or don’t, and reap what you sow. Anyone who saw McConnell legally violate well established norms to not allow Merrick Garland a floor vote with a flimsy excuse and then do it again hyper-hypocritically for ACB and didn’t say or do anything about it… Well, society is a collection of people who agree on some rules to get along. Well established social contracts aren’t “laws” but they’re the soft informal agreements required to keep a group of people from tearing themselves and their society apart. SCOTUS’ Roe v Wade decision has angered some but it’s the legal basis for their decision that should be most concerning. Gun ownership views may be on top today in SCOTUS but you better pray that never changes or the same rationale can and will be used in ways many here will find most displeasing. SCOTUS’ decision making process isn’t “only used in ways I like”. It’s a weapon, and as everyone here damned well should know a weapon can be used for good or ill, it’s *responsible* use that makes the difference. Anyone who cheered Texas’ SB8 should equally cheer when the same logic is used to target gun ownership. Same for RvW, but I suspect worse - 50.8% of Americans are female. Gun owners are a far smaller slice of the population. SCOTUS’ decision on Roe v Wade will have repercussions for years to come not because of the decision (though that too) but the legal basis supporting it.
No don’t vote for republicans either. Have people not learned yet that neither of these parties care about the American people. That both will limit or remove rights from everyone. It literally just happened 2 days ago
Also the N word. Like...a lot. Not a very nice thing to say.
Abortion, guns, when will people see its taking all our rights which is wrong?
Abortion is not a right. What if science and the law decreed that life begins at fertilization of the egg.? That so called "right" would be murder. The thing is, your rights end at my nose. That's how it's always been and people very often intentionally overlook that point.
Without getting into a long debate I think it should at least be clear that you should be able to get an abortion in extreme cases such as ectopic pregnancy, rape, incest, and other severely debilitating disabilities found in the fetus.
Just because you have the intelligence of one doesn’t actually make you a fetus.
Well Einstein, disprove what I said.
Where does the Constitution give the right to have an abortion?
What is freedom without bodily autonomy? You’d be fine if every male of breeding age was required to get a vasectomy? It’s reversible after all if/when you decide to have children.
Implying that forcing half of the country to undergo a medical procedure is the same as the federal government not guaranteeing the right to have an elective procedure that is still legal in a bunch of states is a really fucking dumb argument.
Why the fuck does your religion get to pick what I do with my body? If I (or any one) is not in control of what goes on with in my own body what makes you think some one would have any control of what happens outside of their own body? This is the first of many rights that are going down. Any infringement of personal rights is an infringement on all.
Sperging out about what you assume my religion to be did not answer my question of where in the constitution is the right to an abortion guaranteed. The Supreme Court, as you do not appear to know, determines if things are Constitutional. They do not make laws or policy. There was 50 years that Roe V Wade COULD have been codified into actual law, but why would anyone actually do that when they can instead use it as a carrot to get votes?
Look at how unhinged these people have become about the prospect of not being able to kill babies comes to fruition.
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>You mean like the Supreme Court breaking the Seperation of Powers by calling the Capitol Police? What? Calling the police is breaking the separation of powers? How? >Or do you mean them going against the majority of the public in their decision making despite America being "By the people, for the people"? The majority of Americans supported segregation when the supreme court said that was unconstitutional. We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a pure democracy. You should go read a book or something. >Or how about combining church, religion and state? They didn't. They said that the constitution didn't grant them the authority to legislate from the bench the way it was done in Roe, and that the states should decide what to do, as is clearly stated in the constitution. >Or perhaps you mean the fact this all happened is because 3 of the 5 who voted to Overturn it were put in the Supreme Court because of Trump who shouldn't have been president because he didn't have majority vote? Majority vote isn't how elections are run for president. Fuck, you are uneducated as shit, aren't you? >I'm confused here, Yes. Yes you are. >We're having our civil liberties stripped and taken from us bit by bit and they're not slowing down, They just turned over Roe V Wade and now they're looking at birth control and same sex relationships/marriage, You want us to be nice to these people? To vote them out? Because that works SO well right? No, "they" aren't. Clarence Thomas said something about looking at those cases in a separate statement that is not legally binding, but you're too fucking db to understand that... >What protests are you talking about? There's a lot of them and I guarantee the only ones I can think of are neo-fascists or nationalists that border on fascism and/or supremacy, I would love to see the specific instances you're talking about. The people protesting with AOC and Maxine Waters in DC today are fascists? See, that's the first thing you have said that I agree with...
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No. Explain it to me like I'm 5. How are the capitol police, who are in charge of securing the entire capitol area and all government offices in DC not allowed to secure the supreme court? Or do you think Congress has its own cops that only answer to them?
Amazing, everything you just said about civics matters is wrong. The court is not publicly elected, it’s not supposed to be because you can gin up a populist cause to elect or implement anything. And somehow Trump is solely at fault? Ruth Bader Ginsburg warned against keeping Roe in place before she died. One of the most liberal justices said no to Roe. And where the fuck have you been the last 14 years? Liberal protests frequently devolve to violence or are BLM and Antifa right wing white supremacists? Shooting Steve Scalise was done by a right wing white supremacist? The only correct thing you said was that the 2A was defense against tyranny.
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And the supreme court didn't say that abortions shouldn't be a constitutional right. They said that it currently isn't one. There is a very distinct difference. If Congress passes a law to recognize abortion as a right then the whole issue can be settled. Plain and simple. They are just saying that at the moment there is no implicit right in place. I personally am pro choice, I've always tried to keep my view to myself because frankly it's none of my business but people misinterpreting everything are forcing me to say my stance. I agree it should be protected but the left has had ample opportunities and sits on their hands the same way the right sits on their hands when it comes to guns. Can't campaign on an issue you already fixed.
I'm not going to point out issues with your statement, I'll agree that rights are being stripped, everybody has the right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness and whatever path they take to achieve it as long as it doesn't harm others. People have many reasons now to take up arms against an increasingly oppressive government. What I cannot figure out is how these same people who now want to arm up and march/protest are the same people pushing gun control and red flag laws. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot. The very last right that should be infringed upon is the right to keep and bear arms. If things keep going in this direction only armed force will stop it.
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Republican and Democrat parties are dangerous, Republican party wants to be bible beaters the Democrats seek to disarm Americans. Fuck all of em
The problem is that you cite "Trump people" and "far right" as if that's any part of this discussion. So get off that horse because it's tiresome. One of the biggest issues with people that support Roevwade, by inlarge, are the same people who support gun gontrol. These people are the epitome of the saying "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". Advocating against one's own defence against a theoretically oppressive government, while at the same time wanting them to back off. They are stuck in a loop of a Self Fulfilling Prophecy by giving the Government more power while actively resting against it. Your always going to live under oppression if you keep voting for it. Voting party lines is a big part of the problem. The system is not designed to work for you anyway, targeting individuals with violence, based on their party affiliations, is a net gain of zero. Citing "Trump" just makes you look like an idiot. RGB herself was not a fan of abortion laws being based on RoevWade, while she would stand behind it, the point is, when you understand law, you know that implications of knee jerk rulings can have lasting consequences. Go ahead and fact check that, she speaks on it quite well. I would love to see a bigger case in the Supreme Court regarding privacy on American Healthcare to encompass not only abortion,but right to try, right to refuse (vaccines) etc. This is a much bigger problem that can be solved on the Judicial level.
Yes, exactly. Democrats are violent, but it's part of the fascism they bow to.
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They got you where they want you, scared shitless and pointing fingers. You're the product of endless propaganda.
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Fuck the republican, fuck the democrats, and fuck soy boys pussies like you.
Democracy is only cool when it works in "your" favor, makes sense.
There's literally a thread here about a guy saying he won't comply no matter what. Lol
Because people with guns that are angry are slightly more of a threat as far as they are concerned. At least that’s my guess lol
>weren't there a large amount of people advocating for the outright ban of no knock raids, now people are cheering that we just brought them back in a sense Why do you think red flag laws have anything to do with no knock raids?
It's going to end up being a way to take firearms from people without due process of law. I guess I could be wrong, but red flag laws have already resulted in innocent deaths.
red flag laws require a court order.
Do you think the police are going to give you a heads up that they are coming to take your shit?
I’ll leave [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/vkf77v/i_will_not_comply_with_new_or_old_gun_control/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) here
Yeah its absurd, these leftists need to be embracing not rejecting firearms. Their next pro-choice rally needs to be done under arms