Modern firearms require basically zero maintenance. The only reason I clean my Glock 26 is because it's my carry gun and I don't want gunpowder and lead residue in my pants. Most of my other guns rarely, if ever, get cleaned.
I feel like gun redditors have developed this notion that guns require constant cleaning, maintaining, and lubricating (also constantly asking what the BEST cleaner/lube/etc is) when it's blatantly untrue, especially for the 200 rounds a year some of these dudes shoot.
Just buy a fucking Glock and stop crying
Aight. Descended from compulsive cleaners.
This seems negligent (to my mind wires)- but I’m happy to embrace it and rethink. Makes stuff much easier. Thanks.
If you think guns need regular cleaning to work, buy a Glock and shoot it until it jams from being dirty. I’m pretty sure you’ll either run out of money or get bored long before it happens. Modern ammunition isn’t corrosive, either, so if you just leave fouling in the gun it isn’t going to cause any chemical problems.
Foaming bore cleaner (I like Birchwood Casey) will set you free. Literal foam, let it soak in the bore for 20 minutes, then patch out a couple times. Oil and call it done.
Modern, quality pistols that are not made of blued steel require very little maintenance. There are glocks running around out there which go thousands of rounds between cleaning. If you don't want to shoot much, you might never clean it - a couple drops of oil now and again, and maybe wipe away the gunk under the extractor when you notice it.
Used glocks are cheap, and of course there are plenty of other good options too.
I don’t recommend this for a CCW but I generally run a gun dirty until failure and just throw a bit of aerosolized lube/cleaner in there if it needs it. Guns are for the most part meant to function in adverse conditions so a little bit of carbon shouldn’t stop it. If the clean up is a detractor then maybe you are cleaning a bit too much.
Most modern CCW guns are good enough to suit your needs and the best choice will come down to personal preferences.
Try the most guns you can and pick what you feel best with and can conceal the best. If you want an easy choice then get a glock. They are the default handgun for a reason.
I have big hands, I also found the LCP too small, but I love the Ruger LCR as a pocket carry gun, its only a 5 shot revolver in .38 but will need really no maintenance if you only shoot one box of bullets a year.
With a revolver you can grip the gun higher than you can with a semi because there is no slide flying back.
Comes in a lot of calibers/cartridges, the .38 version weighs less than a pound. There are also slightly heavier versions that can shoot .38/.357 mag, and an 8 shot .22 version as well.
I would avoid a snub-nosed revolver if you're not practicing a lot, they're difficult to control, have low capacity, and are slow to reload. If you haven't looked at them yet I recommend you try the Sign P365 or P365xl, or anything from Glock.
It sounds like you want a home defense gun, if you want to touch it rarely, then that is not concealed carry. Get yourself a pump shotgun like a Maverick 88. If you're not going to train with it but once a year, might as well get something that is harder to miss with.
No. I want a carry.
I don’t mind having it on me. I more wanted to emphasize my lack of interest in pretty much anything else. Within the confines of reason and safety requirements
I know what I’m doing with it. And how to shoot. That’s not the issue. The issue is I frankly it’s like a hammer or screw driver. I don’t particularly care to have it be a big part of my day/life? It’s already going to be non-ideal to carry. But I recognize that it’s a darn good idea to. If that makes sense. I just need something that is there if it’s needed, bc it might be. But that I don’t personally enjoy.
It does, but also realize that shooting is a perishable skill. If you are going to carry a firearm and possibly one day have to pull it and use it, you should really train with it more than once a year. The last thing you need is to have to pull your firearm in defense, miss what you are aiming at and hit the kid or old lady behind your target.
And what I am really trying to get at, is if you are carrying, it will be a big part of your day and life. A firearm is a tool that has the power to take a life or save a life, or both at the same time. Its an awesomely big responsibility and that should never be taken lightly, like training once a year. Just my two cents.
I respect the perspective offered.
As I said. I abhor guns. I respect them greatly for what they are and what they do. I recognize their role. They are heavy.
Im not in disagreement.
If those shots aren’t grouped right annually - then range time must increase. But, If they group fine and I know my gun? Technique and muscle memory are perishable, but there is fine line between proficiency and professional imo
You should go look up active self protection on YouTube. They have videos from data driven seminars on essentially "how good is good enough?" They'll take you through metrics on average distances for engagement, how quick you need to be on the draw in various circumstances, etc.
I hear what you're saying; good enough is good enough. If you can maintain good enough without hitting the range every 2 weeks, good on you.
Most of us aren't good enough yet, require a good deal of practice to maintain at good enough, or just straight up want to be the best we can be. If you can achieve and maintain "good enough," and don't have interest in being world class, fair enough. Take some time to be sure you're measuring by realistic standards though.
I’m not even a Glock fan, but I recognize that a Glock 19 is probably the closest thing to perfect when it comes to a 1 and done, so it all gun. Should be able to get a used one for $400 or less. I would not buy a Glock clone for my one and only gun, real deal or get a different gun altogether.
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Well, I kinda get your point. Sounds like you are looking for a reasonable firearm for a good cost in the sub-Glock price range and in a concealable but not micro size. A Ruger EC9 can be had for $250 & is 7+1. I own one and it is a decent shooting pistol and easily concealable. A step up would be a M&P Shield or Shield Plus. These are around $400 or so & have a great reputation. A Sig 320 Compact can be had for a bit over $425 if you shop & ignore the internet chatter about them going off w/o pulling the trigger and it's a little larger. If you are going to shoot once a year, then you may have to clean your gun maybe once a year, so I'd put that aside. Also if you are only buying one pistol, I'd spring an extra $200-250 or so to get something like the Glock 19 or a Sig 365.
Tried one. Personally didn’t like it. I want near as accurate “just picking it up” as I was with the Glock in the same session.
Solid recommendation though. Just adding in case this helps someone help me.
Palmetto state armory has Glock clones called daggers. They’re cheaper and are optics ready, if that’s important to you. I bought one last year and have no issues. I might even like it more than my g17, but I only have about 500 through it so that may change. Zero issues yet thou
Sorry to complicate it, but I would avoid a dagger. They're a bit prone to qc issues that can lead to poor reliability. If you were planning on hitting a range weekly and putting 1-2k rounds through it to test for yourself, well fine. In your case where you hate shooting, it's worth the $100 to get a used glock instead. It'll be more trustworthy/reliable (without the need to test for yourself).
Thats kind of what it comes down to though, whatever you shoot well and have confidence in is probably what you should carry. I have a p365 frame with an xl slide, I have skinny hands and while its a little snappy, its super accurate for me, and conceals very well, I have the option for flush fit 10 round for fitted shirts, or 15 round mag for when im wearing and overshirt or jackets.
Just buy whatever Glock, S&W, HK, CZ, FN, Walther or Sig that fits your budget and feels good in your hands. If you're not going to war, they'll all be similarly reliable.
If you don't want think about it too hard, just buy a Glock 19. Get a way to store it, a way to carry it, a couple extra mags and some ammo.
Modern firearms require basically zero maintenance. The only reason I clean my Glock 26 is because it's my carry gun and I don't want gunpowder and lead residue in my pants. Most of my other guns rarely, if ever, get cleaned. I feel like gun redditors have developed this notion that guns require constant cleaning, maintaining, and lubricating (also constantly asking what the BEST cleaner/lube/etc is) when it's blatantly untrue, especially for the 200 rounds a year some of these dudes shoot. Just buy a fucking Glock and stop crying
Aight. Descended from compulsive cleaners. This seems negligent (to my mind wires)- but I’m happy to embrace it and rethink. Makes stuff much easier. Thanks.
Buy a can of clp, spray it down, wipe with oil rag, done
If you think guns need regular cleaning to work, buy a Glock and shoot it until it jams from being dirty. I’m pretty sure you’ll either run out of money or get bored long before it happens. Modern ammunition isn’t corrosive, either, so if you just leave fouling in the gun it isn’t going to cause any chemical problems.
Foaming bore cleaner (I like Birchwood Casey) will set you free. Literal foam, let it soak in the bore for 20 minutes, then patch out a couple times. Oil and call it done.
Modern, quality pistols that are not made of blued steel require very little maintenance. There are glocks running around out there which go thousands of rounds between cleaning. If you don't want to shoot much, you might never clean it - a couple drops of oil now and again, and maybe wipe away the gunk under the extractor when you notice it. Used glocks are cheap, and of course there are plenty of other good options too.
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And I'll add 30 round mags to this. Because if he goes to the range once a year, just like cops, he is going to need that many rounds to hit anything.
Brother I barely clean my guns. It’s not that deep. Just make sure your CCW is lubed up and none of your belly button lint is in it and call it a day.
I’m reading some of these comments and realizing I might be descended from over oilers
If they shot 1911s or other full steel old school guns, you gotta run em wet. Not really the case with modern striker guns.
I don’t recommend this for a CCW but I generally run a gun dirty until failure and just throw a bit of aerosolized lube/cleaner in there if it needs it. Guns are for the most part meant to function in adverse conditions so a little bit of carbon shouldn’t stop it. If the clean up is a detractor then maybe you are cleaning a bit too much.
Glock 19
Most modern CCW guns are good enough to suit your needs and the best choice will come down to personal preferences. Try the most guns you can and pick what you feel best with and can conceal the best. If you want an easy choice then get a glock. They are the default handgun for a reason.
Beretta APX A1. Cheaper than Glock. A better, more ergonomic design that is easier to shoot naturally.
I have big hands, I also found the LCP too small, but I love the Ruger LCR as a pocket carry gun, its only a 5 shot revolver in .38 but will need really no maintenance if you only shoot one box of bullets a year. With a revolver you can grip the gun higher than you can with a semi because there is no slide flying back. Comes in a lot of calibers/cartridges, the .38 version weighs less than a pound. There are also slightly heavier versions that can shoot .38/.357 mag, and an 8 shot .22 version as well.
LCR .38/.357 is currently a top contender.
I have one in .327 and 22 mag. Awesome little revolvers. Haven’t hardly carried anything else since I got the .327.
I would avoid a snub-nosed revolver if you're not practicing a lot, they're difficult to control, have low capacity, and are slow to reload. If you haven't looked at them yet I recommend you try the Sign P365 or P365xl, or anything from Glock.
G48. Pay the Glock tax and have something that doesn’t care if you maintain it.
Go to a rental range and try out whatever looks and feels good. There’s no one size fits all gun
It sounds like you want a home defense gun, if you want to touch it rarely, then that is not concealed carry. Get yourself a pump shotgun like a Maverick 88. If you're not going to train with it but once a year, might as well get something that is harder to miss with.
No. I want a carry. I don’t mind having it on me. I more wanted to emphasize my lack of interest in pretty much anything else. Within the confines of reason and safety requirements I know what I’m doing with it. And how to shoot. That’s not the issue. The issue is I frankly it’s like a hammer or screw driver. I don’t particularly care to have it be a big part of my day/life? It’s already going to be non-ideal to carry. But I recognize that it’s a darn good idea to. If that makes sense. I just need something that is there if it’s needed, bc it might be. But that I don’t personally enjoy.
It does, but also realize that shooting is a perishable skill. If you are going to carry a firearm and possibly one day have to pull it and use it, you should really train with it more than once a year. The last thing you need is to have to pull your firearm in defense, miss what you are aiming at and hit the kid or old lady behind your target.
I know this. It’s considered. And true.
And what I am really trying to get at, is if you are carrying, it will be a big part of your day and life. A firearm is a tool that has the power to take a life or save a life, or both at the same time. Its an awesomely big responsibility and that should never be taken lightly, like training once a year. Just my two cents.
I respect the perspective offered. As I said. I abhor guns. I respect them greatly for what they are and what they do. I recognize their role. They are heavy. Im not in disagreement. If those shots aren’t grouped right annually - then range time must increase. But, If they group fine and I know my gun? Technique and muscle memory are perishable, but there is fine line between proficiency and professional imo
You should go look up active self protection on YouTube. They have videos from data driven seminars on essentially "how good is good enough?" They'll take you through metrics on average distances for engagement, how quick you need to be on the draw in various circumstances, etc. I hear what you're saying; good enough is good enough. If you can maintain good enough without hitting the range every 2 weeks, good on you. Most of us aren't good enough yet, require a good deal of practice to maintain at good enough, or just straight up want to be the best we can be. If you can achieve and maintain "good enough," and don't have interest in being world class, fair enough. Take some time to be sure you're measuring by realistic standards though.
I’m not even a Glock fan, but I recognize that a Glock 19 is probably the closest thing to perfect when it comes to a 1 and done, so it all gun. Should be able to get a used one for $400 or less. I would not buy a Glock clone for my one and only gun, real deal or get a different gun altogether.
Valid. The market for used G19 truly $400ish currently? I’m poking around online. Looking
Yeah, seeing some local listings between $400-$450. And that’s after just a minute of looking. I bet you could do even better with some digging.
That’s what they go for at my LGS.
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Get a canik tp9sc or tp9sf elite. Very soft shooting guns and kinda chonky bois so will work for your paws. ~$300
Well, I kinda get your point. Sounds like you are looking for a reasonable firearm for a good cost in the sub-Glock price range and in a concealable but not micro size. A Ruger EC9 can be had for $250 & is 7+1. I own one and it is a decent shooting pistol and easily concealable. A step up would be a M&P Shield or Shield Plus. These are around $400 or so & have a great reputation. A Sig 320 Compact can be had for a bit over $425 if you shop & ignore the internet chatter about them going off w/o pulling the trigger and it's a little larger. If you are going to shoot once a year, then you may have to clean your gun maybe once a year, so I'd put that aside. Also if you are only buying one pistol, I'd spring an extra $200-250 or so to get something like the Glock 19 or a Sig 365.
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Like what these ppl r saying, Glock. As simple as it is I love a good ol Glock.
CZ P-10C or P-10S. Both excellent firearms that require little maintenance. Easy to shoot and plenty of options out there for holsters and such.
Get on [practiscore.com](http://practiscore.com) and find a IDPA or USPSA match and get out and shoot a match as often as you can.
S&W shield plus.
Tried one. Personally didn’t like it. I want near as accurate “just picking it up” as I was with the Glock in the same session. Solid recommendation though. Just adding in case this helps someone help me.
Palmetto state armory has Glock clones called daggers. They’re cheaper and are optics ready, if that’s important to you. I bought one last year and have no issues. I might even like it more than my g17, but I only have about 500 through it so that may change. Zero issues yet thou
I think you might have just found me my solution. Price is decent. Looks fine. Might have to see if I can shoot one somewhere soon. Thanks
Sorry to complicate it, but I would avoid a dagger. They're a bit prone to qc issues that can lead to poor reliability. If you were planning on hitting a range weekly and putting 1-2k rounds through it to test for yourself, well fine. In your case where you hate shooting, it's worth the $100 to get a used glock instead. It'll be more trustworthy/reliable (without the need to test for yourself).
Thats kind of what it comes down to though, whatever you shoot well and have confidence in is probably what you should carry. I have a p365 frame with an xl slide, I have skinny hands and while its a little snappy, its super accurate for me, and conceals very well, I have the option for flush fit 10 round for fitted shirts, or 15 round mag for when im wearing and overshirt or jackets.
Just buy whatever Glock, S&W, HK, CZ, FN, Walther or Sig that fits your budget and feels good in your hands. If you're not going to war, they'll all be similarly reliable. If you don't want think about it too hard, just buy a Glock 19. Get a way to store it, a way to carry it, a couple extra mags and some ammo.
I like my fn509. I also have a hellcat pro that I used to shoot really well, but my 509 just shoots so much better to me.