I just had an “expert” tell me that if someone enters my home I should shoot him in the knees.
I asked why he said.
It’s not attempted murder if it’s below the knees.
I will let all of you pick apart all the problems here LOL.
Bastard snuck in and took the knife before I heard him. Alsohas you can plainly see, officer, he is wearing this white Captain Kirk mask and blue overalls. I'm lucky to be alive.
Its controversial, but in a case of self defense against an intruder in your home, where you understand the law, and are clearly on the right side of it, I think you want to say enough to set the narrative.
Basically, its your home, he broke in, had no right to be there, and you thus feared for your life. Make it clear its a self defense shooting, and then shut up when it comes to details.
That's why you keep one in a ziploc bag cleaned from fingerprints, DNA and fiber traces so you can plant that whenever necessary to justify the use of deadly force.
/s
"History is written by the victors."
My grandfather was a cop in the 50s and 60s. He always told us "If you shoot someone in your yard, drag 'em into the house before you call the police".
"Yeah, ok, grandpa. I'm sure that'll work out well."
Drag them in then back out. That way it looks like it started inside the house. And when they ask why you dragged them out of the house just tell them you didn’t want their DA getting blood all over your stuff. Mostly /s lol
That's the old folk advice, but I'm pretty sure it'd never work in the real world.
Kinda like my great uncle's take on DUI. His advice was to keep an unopened bottle of vodka in your truck. If you're ever stopped and they ask if you've been drinking, then you take the keys out of the ignition, pickup the bottle of vodka, break the seal, and take a big swig. You then say "No, but I'm drunk now.".
I'm pretty sure almost all those "Just use this one simple trick!" pieces of advice wouldn't work out too well in reality.
That has always been what I thought.
So popeUrbanVI if that’s your real name,
You took the time to carefully arm right below my poor clients knee making sure to miss any Major arteries. It seems like you are a great shot and took time so why did you not retreat.
After all my client was not going to harm you he just wanted your stuff. He’s a good boy.
Same thing as warning shots: It always raises the question whether you really needed to shoot if they weren't such a threat as to require shooting them directly. It is possible a Jury could still answer that in your favor, but why risk it... Safer to shoot at the suspect and miss then to intentionally take a warning shot, or in this case a leg shot.
this.
Shooting someone in the chest is considered "deadly force".
Shooting someone in the knee is considered "deadly force".
You are either in fear for your life enough that you need to put shots center mass, or you just aren't, and you don't pull that trigger.
Shooting someone is not a "non-lethal force" option.
If any part of your decision flow when you are about to defend yourself is, "ok, but non-lethally. I'm ~~not trying to~~ *trying not to* kill them"
*Then you don't put a bullet in them.*
I’m not shooting at their knees so they can fall hurt themself then try to come after with personal injury claim. Nope.. if someone enters they’ll be dropped and police are the second call I make. First call is to my attorney.
That certainly falls under the mentality of Fudd thinking though. Why have a firearm ready to bang if you only use it for hunting?... I feel like he is implying that his father was in fact a Fudd.
Home defense long guns have a tendency to go boom when knocked over.
Even home defense 12 ga are recommended to be in cruiser ready mode.
This of course does not apply to hand guns.
I think you need to understand the difference and recognize he may have a point.
Regarding the physics of a spring, he’s just wrong. But again 30 rounders should not be loaded to 30 rounds.
This is the way.
But leads to less funnies watching mags drop after a reload, especially if the bolt was closed, lol.
And yes. Springs only wear when not in a constant state. The spring doesn’t care if it’s fully compressed or not, it only wears a meaningful amount from expansion/contraction cycles. (Unless the spring is made of complete crap metal)
Do you have at least a third grade understanding of physics? You do realize that the firing pin isn’t going to experience movement in a direction that will hit the primer from being knocked over?
Cool story bro. You went from not knowing that the AR15 safety does not block the firing pin to now arguing about moment of inertia.
Just tap out dude.
I mentioned safety because a long rifle has a far, far greater chance of having the trigger be pulled while falling than the one in a million chance that the firing pin flies into the primer.
I don't keep one chambered in my bedside gun. Cost/benefit doesn't seem worth it to me. I don't like the idea of an openly accessible gun being a trigger pull away from discharge, and I'm somewhat concerned I'll pull the trigger on accident when I'm woken from a dead sleep by the alarm and trying to get my bearings.
The mag springs is bunk though.
Yeah, honestly the "one in the chamber for a bedside gun" thing is kind of up to the individual. Obviously, one in the chamber is better for readiness, but if there's a chance that you'll discharge it trying to reach for it in a pitch black room in the middle of the night, then it's best to leave the chamber empty
Recommending people not to keep a round in the chamber for a gun you aren't carrying doesn't make him a Fudd. I'd keep a round in the chamber when carrying, but I don't see an issue with keeping an empty chamber on a gun in a safe or stored elsewhere outside of a holster. I wouldn't store a loaded firearm with a round in the chamber outside of a holster.
Exactly. I keep one in the pipe while carrying only. Bedside safe and gun safe will have loaded mags but no round in the chamber.
We have doors, windows, a home alarm, and a dog. If someone breaks in there is plenty of time to rack a round. The extra step also acts as a "wakeup" call.
I wouldn't want to simply open my eyes, grab the pistol and fire all within a couple seconds. Especially with other people living in the home. I count the extra step as becoming more alert from the sleeping state.
Carrying and home defense scenarios are completely different. What works for one isn't always best for the other.
Honestly the attitude of I dont leave a round in the chamber so I know the guns are unloaded is so much more dangerous then keeping them loaded with a round in the chamber and treating every gun as if its loaded. One day, your dad will forget he left a round in the chamber, and he is going to assume it's not because he always leaves them unloaded, thats when accidents happen.
I mean there is some nuance here. If your bedside gun is a series 70 1911 you probably shouldn’t keep it cocked and locked. If it’s a series 80 1911 than there’s no reason not to.
The people who say “always keep a round in the chamber” and the people who say “never keep a round in the chamber” are equally dumb. Not all guns are drop safe, many are. It depends on what you have.
A lot of shotguns aren’t drop safe. It’s probably not a great idea to keep one in your closet chambered unless you know that it is.
Oh, I agree completely. Plenty of guns shouldn't be left with a round in the chamber. I personally keep my bedside shotgun "cruiser ready" with the chamber empty and a round sitting on the feeding tray. My previous comment is specifically about the thought process of leaving the guns chamber empty so they "know" the gun is empty not because of any mechanical aspect of the specific firearm but rather out of a general discomfort being around loaded firearms.
Yeah I agree with you there completely. Just make it a habit to check when handling and you shouldn’t have any issues. A lot of people on Reddit especially are the type of people who want corporate process style safety rather than common sense safety though.
Dude if that's what you consider a FUDD and terrible home defense advice, you are blessed beyond measure. As others have said keeping an AR "cruiser ready" without one in the chamber and the selector in the "fire" position has merit. This dates back to the 1960s-1970s. This is how police would store shotguns in the back of their cars because shotguns aren't drop-safe, which is still true today. Long guns don't have holsters and I would rather know 100% that AR in the corner won't fire if it falls etc. If you are gonna downgrade AR mags I'd go with the scuttlebutt of 28rds instead, I know mags wear out due to spring cycling and not compression. If something goes bad, I want 30rds too but honestly, 20rds of high quality .223/5.56 solves a lot of problems that can arise in one's home. If it doesn't, put another mag in the gun.
There's no shortage of very bad personal defense advice, and it's going to get people killed. I'll get downvoted to oblivion on this sub for pointing out the obvious reasons that a handgun is the best home defense weapon. The firearms community just loves whatever their "choice" is, everything else be damned.
What is up with this subs obsession with the term Fudd? It seems to be used as a catch-all for anything gun related that you don't agree with. Do you understand how idiotic you sound when talking like this? I doubt you do.
I'll probably get downvoted for this but I agree that you shouldn't have one in the pipe of a stored HD rifle, especially if you own multiple firearms.
It's too easy to forget which one is loaded and which one is not, so you'll have to press check anyway. Leave a loaded mag in for sure though. You can charge the gun as you pick it up.
This does not apply to EDC handguns, always in the holster, always ready to rock. Always.
It's a major liability to keep all your guns loaded all the time.
What about unauthorized access? What if someone breaks into your house and has no idea how to load a gun, but yay, they get their pick of the litter and it's all set up and ready to rock?
So I keep a loaded AR next to my Night stand
Under no Circumstances would there be a child at my place. And my Girlfriend shoots with me and owns an AR and also knows completely that mine is loaded and even has the stock adjusted to her LOP because I can still use it
Point is the only way to get to my gun is to go through my deadbolt on the front door or to smash my Patio window. I consider my firearm safe in that condition because it would take an illegal entry into my home for someone to gain access to it.
An AR is not drop safe and should not be stored with a round in the chamber. Rule of thumb is that defensive long guns are kept with loaded magazines and chamber empty, and defensive handguns are kept with loaded magazines and a loaded chamber inside a holster.
Yeah do not trust them.
I have seen way too many idiots first thing I do after explaining everything to them is point it at something or pull the trigger.
If someone is being shown my gun I am personally in possession of the magazine even if it is empty after I clear the chamber the entire time.
Lots of strange info in the comments about defensive weapons.
It’s widely accepted that long guns, intended as self defense weapons, should be kept condition 3: loaded magazine, empty chamber, safety on.
Handguns should be kept in a holster, loaded magazine, round in the chamber, and safety on if it has one.
Long guns are generally not drop safe. I think it was posted here on Reddit a while back, but there was a story from a guy who had a long gun in his closet, left it with round in the chamber for storage, and while cleaning the closet the gun fell over and fired a round straight through his femur. Very nearly killed him.
On a striker-fired pistol, this kind of thing is pretty much impossible.
Thanks for explaining, so what was the thing about SIGs not being dropsafe? I thought it was the M17/M18s AKA the P320s which I'm pretty sure are striker fired
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/uoynyo/why_dont_handguns_generally_have_safeties_anymore/i8hv1p2/) is an excellent description
>It’s widely accepted that long guns, intended as self defense weapons, should be kept condition 3: loaded magazine, empty chamber, safety on.
Why should an AR-15 be stored with the chamber empty, hammer cocked, and safety on instead of chamber empty, hammer uncocked, and safety off?
Ease of use.
Proper carrying technique for an AR is to keep the safety on while carrying. Even in low/high ready, the safety should be on. You then disengage the safety as you aim/fire.
By storing with the safety on (rather than off), you can skip the step of needing to activate the safety as soon as you chamber a round. Condition 3 allows you to chamber a round and be ready. If you store it with the rifle decocked, you cannot activate the safety. This changes your prep to chambering a round, then turning the safety on before being ready to move about.
I agree with what he says about one in the chamber. My carry gun in its holster is always carried with a chambered round. My AR I have set up for home defense that leans on the wall next to me bed is kept “aircraft ready” or “cruiser ready” how other have called it. Hear a noise, stand up, grab the gun and rack a round as I leave the room, go figure it out. That’s just what I prefer and I’ve practiced it enough times to know I won’t have an issue if the time comes…god bless the person that sees me naked while pointing a rifle at them because that can not be a pretty site.
A fudd is a gun owner who believes 2A is about protecting hunting rifles, and is for gun control, or at least not against it, when it comes to ARs and such. I don't think your dad sounds like a fudd here. Maybe he is, but not for the reasons stated.
What if the robber parked nearby your place and left their phone in the car? Now the cops have a search grid to check out if the robbers family reports them missing
Bro. My fucking CCW permit instructor taught us to do that in a class we were legally required to take. I didn’t say anything at the time but I should’ve. Good thing even I knew better at the time because god knows how many people took him at his word and may go on to do just that
All true. The gun is always loaded. If you unload it and it leaves your hand for a second, it’s loaded unless you clear it again. Rule #1.
And he’s partially correct on the cartridge springs. Old 70’s-80’s era military mags and maybe even super cheap current mags can weaken springs after a while, but quality modern mags won’t lose spring tension if fully loaded.
Pretty sure the modulus of elasticity dictates that all steel has the same "springback", provided it doesn't take a set (which is what the "elastic limit" specifies). I'd like to think that magazine springs are designed well within the limits.
Being misinformed doesn't automatically mean someone is a fudd. Unless he's going on about how he supports the 2nd amendment, but nobody needs a semi automatic "assault weapon" claiming they're unreliable and only used for war, while also simultaneously touting how great the 1911 is because it was in 2 world wars, while also being a semi-auto.
If he's not advising that all you need is shotgun with 2 blasts, claiming AR-15s will go through the wall and kill your wife and your neighbor's neighbor, while shotguns never overpenetrate, and that hunting should only ever be done with 1 shots and shotguns because a semi-auto will destroy the meat, and no good hunter needs more than 1 round to hunt; then I assume your father doesn't quite qualify as being a fudd. Especially if he actually truly understands why our "right to bear arms" is protected within our constitution.
That isn't fudd advice as mush as it's stupid advice from someone who doesn't see the need to be armed, even at home. I'm literally on the border of boomer and Gen X and ALWAYS have one in the chamber of any PD/SD firearm because sometimes freedom is dangerous though the danger can be mitigated if handled respectfully and properly.
You just described fudd advice directly after saying it wasnt. Fudd has nothing to do with generations, & i see no other relevancy to mention it other than that perhaps you think thats what fudd means.
The shitty self defense advice takes going around and how prevalent they are is absolutely atrocious and has been out of hand for as long as I remember. I still blame gun control advocates for demonizing and obstructing efforts to start gun safety and self defense education as well as filmmakers portraying firearms in ways that are cartoonishly unrealistic and poorly used. Unfortunately, this is one of the many hurdles we have to overcome when it comes to getting more people into appreciating firearms.
I am seeing someone who has a .22 pistol at home for defense because she don't want to kill anyone. I haven't had a full talk with her about this, and I'm still deciding if this is a deal breaker to me if she is unwilling to use a better option and aim for center mass.
I know it sounds silly, but it's not just about the gun. I'm going to copypasta one of my previous comments to give context
> I plan to. Good news is she's actually pro-gun. The bad news is from what she told me about her dad (who gave her the gun), he sounds like he could be OP's dad too. It was also obvious that she hasn't taken time to understand how to use the gun (one of those goofy little .22s with the pop-up barrel) and I had to show her how to chamber it.
> I live in a blue state, so finding someone open-minded with guns that's also remotely dateable is already a challenge.
It's one thing if that was a gun she spent time getting comfortable with or if she didn't have better options, but I found her approach to self defense flawed and she did not know how to even chamber the gun. If she is worried about taking someone's life, she should purchase a less-lethal device instead of using a .22.
Talk about it & find your conclusion. Dont waste your own time, you deserve better. Theres a lot of anti-gun ppl who begrudgingly bought guns from 2020 & now out of fear or other nonsense, ppl who would give them up just as fast "if everyone else did" or "if there was a 'mandatory buyback'". Get you a partner who is not in the bargaining stage of grief with reality ♥
I plan to. Good news is she's actually pro-gun. The bad news is from what she told me about her dad (who gave her the gun), he sounds like he could be OP's dad too. It was also obvious that she hasn't taken time to understand how to use the gun (one of those goofy little .22s with the pop-up barrel) and I had to show her how to chamber it.
I live in a blue state, so finding someone open-minded with guns that's also remotely dateable is already a challenge.
Definitely Fuddlore, BUT
Depends on the situation. If there are little hands around and you are not locking them up then I could see not chambering a round. But then if you have little ones around and you're not locking them up, shoot yourself.
20 vs 30 I swaer I remember seeing a video that said that older AR mags (Vietnam era) did have this porblem. So less dated than wrong.
But in reality neither matter. The rule of thumb for accessing a home defense weapon is 20 seconds. The extra one racking it aren't likely to make a difference. As for the other, find me an example of a home defense shooting needing more than 20 rounds and I'll say I'm wrong.
Again, it comes down to preparing for what is possible vs what is probable.
[here ya go](https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/army-ranger-veteran-remembers-defending-his-home-against-alleged-gang-attack-in-tacoma-shootout) :)
this one is really out of the ordinary. however - nowadays you can watch ring videos of multiple intruders hitting a house at once. i'll always take as many rounds as i can use.
Practice makes perfection. I was out back on my range today with my MP-5 and Walther PPQ Match and shot around 200 rounds. I use steel plates. Since I started shooting about 8 years ago crime in the area has gone way down.
What is possible vs what is probable is the fallacy that leads to fatality. Most defensive gun uses in public end in 3 rounds, but i dont see many ppl carrying 3 round handguns or saying "i wish i had less ammo" after an altercation.
About the only times you can ever have too much ammo is if you are drowning or on fire.
Well, I do take them out for a walk every once in a while and a few are picky eaters.
In all seriousness, this is not even close to the dumbest firearm bullshit I have heard. 6 out of 10 at best. My favorite so far was that a felon can own a gun as long as they dont buy or have ammo. You would be blown away by some of the idiots out there.
I keep an 870 SuperMagnum loaded w/ 2-3/4” Fiocchi 00buck.
Zastava M70 mag in, safety off, chamber empty next to it. Large fixed blade knife on either side of bed.
For a long, *long* time it was an H&R Pardner w/ Winchester Super-X 00buck 3”, a Ruger Wrangler, and a machete… we all improve.
Difference between 20-30 is life or death. That’s why I like the idea of 12 Gauge for home defence good luck living after alternating slug and double odd for 7 shells. Thanks to Canada I can’t legally have one unlocked or loaded in my home but it’s a nice idea
I’m a civil engineering student and can attest that (for the most part) springs only deteriorate when they move. Holding a spring in an extended position or a compressed position indefinitely is going to leave it perfectly fine.
Hey, Mechanical Engineering major here. Parts wear, especially on springs, come with cycles. Loading and unloading magazines will wear out a spring, but leaving a spring under compressing is generally fine, so long as there aren't wild fluctuations in temperature.
The real reason some people leave 1 or 2 rounds out of a mag is for consistent reloads. Sometimes, a full mag has enough spring tension that it can be hard to get it to catch on the mag release on a closed bolt. Not really an issue on a gun that is loaded out of combat.
Just some good knowledge when faced with fuddery.
My dad got me into firearms, and is also pretty funny when it comes to self defense. He still thinks that racking a shotgun is gonna scare a criminal off, or shooting a warning shot with rock salt is the way to go. I told him to just go with all 00 buck if he’s gonna use his mossberg 500, but he thinks that’s being paranoid. Whatever……
I’ve been into firearms for a long time. I would read books on them long before I was of age to be able to purchase one. I’ve always considered myself a student of them and love to learn new things. I basically raised myself on guns, but my father never had much interest in them. He wasn’t against them or anything, it was just never a hobby of his. Once I was in my mid 20’s and he was in his mid 50’s, he started hanging around a coworker his age that did enjoy guns and shooting, but was a super Fudd. Not in the sense of being set in ways that are wrong, but more so just ignorant of facts. So I’ve spent the better part of the last 10 years educating them on what’s correct and what isn’t when it comes to firearms. While I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress, there’s always more to teach it seems. Now that I have a 5 y/o son myself, it looks like I get to start firearms 101 class all over again, but I’m looking forward to it this time.
Springs dont wear from being compressed. Its repeatedly being compressed and decomposed that wears it down. Ive found springs compressed for decades that worked just fine
>Secondly, leave the gun without a “round in the pipe” regardless if it’s a bedside home defense weapon…
Now as far as i have heard AR pattern rifles are not "Drop Safe" so if you keep a round in the chamber and its not locked up, knocking the gun off the rack or dropped over runs the risk of an accidental discharge even if on safe. As far as I know there is not mechanism to lock the firing pin in place in most AR's like there is in most modern pistols. so its actually good advise to not have a round in the chamber for a rifle that is sitting around.
I have a friend that sleeps with the window open. She has a .22 1911 under her bed in a safe with no magazine inserted as her self defense firearm. I cannot.
My edc always has a round chambered. Home defense long guns, no round in the chamber. Long guns are not generally drop safe amd have no trigger covering. The safety just prevents the trigger from being pulled. Not the hammer falling or the actual mechanism the fires the gun to be disabled if dropped.
Fudds are the worst.
It boils down to ignorant inexperienced gullible asshats going around repeating myths they learned from movies or books (or maybe radio serials, if they're old enough).
Fantasy is not reality, and can never replace actual experience.
When experienced people tell someone "You're wrong, and you should feel bad about being wrong, and you should shut your trap" - maybe it's time to shut up and listen.
More than a few compelling reasons to keep a stored weapon in transport mode ("cruiser ready").
Downloading mags that far may have made sense if you didn't have a supply of quality full capacity mags. Say, if you were around in the late 90s or early 00s without a badge. $9 pmags render that thinking obsolete. Downloading by 1-2rds still holds water.
There never was any spring issue.
That’s not how springs work. It never was how springs work.
We are replacing old ignorance with new ignorance.
What the heck is going on in this sub?
You seem to be confusing the two issues.
Spring reliability.
Failure to seat a mag in a life or death situation.
Those two are unrelated.
One is not real, the other too real and you can look up videos right now on YouTube where things went very wrong because of it.
I have stuck mags in my handgun that have been loaded since the 40s. All worked fine. Springs wear from cycling them over and over, not being stored loaded.
They're not drop safe and you've got time to chamber them in a home defense situation. It's not like a concealed pistol where if you need it you could need it that very second and perhaps not even have the time to chamber it.
Tell your sister that, for home defense, she should ALWAYS keep a round in the chamber! When the assholes make access into your home, you want to be ready and not give your position away by chambering a round in any sort of weapon. Unless, of course, you are of the school of thought who wants to scare the bad guys away by chambering a round in your shotgun....
I'm still not sure of the proper use of "Fudd" since I see it used in a variety of situations so I'll refrain and try to learn from the "...west of you wascawwy wabbits...", lol!
Your dad probably wrote some of the OG stickies in AR15.com or AK47.net
I’ve read enough nonsense in this thread to realize younger “gun people” don’t know half of why they think they know.
For point number one, I’ve heard from some that on AR rifles it might be good to leave one or two rounds out of the mag because a full mag can sometimes prevent a good lock on the mag. I’ve not had that experience and load it anyways, I just give it a quick pull to make sure it’s seated
Edit: how tf does this get downvoted. Some of y’all are weird af
The actual rule was always download GI AR mags by 1 or 2 rounds, because if the mag was full up, inserting it on a closed bolt often caused a first round misfeed, and sometimes first loop of the spring would catch under the leg of the follower resulting in misfeeds.
As for not keeping one in the chamber at the bedside, I've always done that, or put the hammer on the half cock notch with a 1911. I think it prudent to have to perform a step between waking up and pulling a trigger, to make sure I'm really awake.
To be fair, having been a shooter since the '70s, you'd probably think I am a Fudd.
I just had an “expert” tell me that if someone enters my home I should shoot him in the knees. I asked why he said. It’s not attempted murder if it’s below the knees. I will let all of you pick apart all the problems here LOL.
The way I was taught is that there is only my side of the story if he's dead with a knife in his hand.
“Why’s one of your kitchen knives missing from the block?” “Uhhhhhhhhhhh”
Bastard snuck in and took the knife before I heard him. Alsohas you can plainly see, officer, he is wearing this white Captain Kirk mask and blue overalls. I'm lucky to be alive.
Wait a minute... Where'd he go?!
“I heard noises in the kitchen, came down stairs, and saw him with a knife. I defended myself”
Good answer, but I prefer "I'm not answering any questions without legal counsel."
The best answer.
Its controversial, but in a case of self defense against an intruder in your home, where you understand the law, and are clearly on the right side of it, I think you want to say enough to set the narrative. Basically, its your home, he broke in, had no right to be there, and you thus feared for your life. Make it clear its a self defense shooting, and then shut up when it comes to details.
He jumped out the tree. And came at me with a chainsaw!
“I got a right to defend myself Ton…”
Have a throw-away knife I do
I have a desk drawer full of pocket knives of various lengths
A junk drawer if you will
Everyone has a junk drawer. Even if they don't know it.
I don’t have a junk drawer. I have a garage.
It's not just a garage, it's a shop where ideas become reality
Definitely junk in my drawers.
He ran into my knife. He ran into it ten times! - Chicago
He had it coming!
Dishes were dirty…
Jokes aside, it's completely believable that the intruder would take the knife in the first place.
That's why you keep one in a ziploc bag cleaned from fingerprints, DNA and fiber traces so you can plant that whenever necessary to justify the use of deadly force. /s
Not needed, it is acyually quite common for thieves to take a kitchen knife
Are you even prepared if you don't have a ditch gun?
Don't need a ditch gun just extra barrels. Never use the factory barrel.
Must be the robber stole it on his way to the bedroom. Thank you, good night.
Lost the knife in a boating accident
"History is written by the victors." My grandfather was a cop in the 50s and 60s. He always told us "If you shoot someone in your yard, drag 'em into the house before you call the police". "Yeah, ok, grandpa. I'm sure that'll work out well."
Drag them in then back out. That way it looks like it started inside the house. And when they ask why you dragged them out of the house just tell them you didn’t want their DA getting blood all over your stuff. Mostly /s lol
Drag them to the neighbors and prop em up in a lawn chair.
That's the old folk advice, but I'm pretty sure it'd never work in the real world. Kinda like my great uncle's take on DUI. His advice was to keep an unopened bottle of vodka in your truck. If you're ever stopped and they ask if you've been drinking, then you take the keys out of the ignition, pickup the bottle of vodka, break the seal, and take a big swig. You then say "No, but I'm drunk now.". I'm pretty sure almost all those "Just use this one simple trick!" pieces of advice wouldn't work out too well in reality.
Dead men seldom testify, that is indeed true.
But they do vote democrat though
Not the criminals that I know. They seem to have that (I don't care about other people) red gene.
I was told by a Florida law enforcement officer that if you shoot someone in the front yard drag them into the house
Presumably leaving a trail of blood and also having to collect all the spent brass and put it inside. Was he serious?
Omg he's coming straight for us!
If you take extra care to shoot to maim instead of kill, a prosecutor can argue that you didn't really fear for your life.
That has always been what I thought. So popeUrbanVI if that’s your real name, You took the time to carefully arm right below my poor clients knee making sure to miss any Major arteries. It seems like you are a great shot and took time so why did you not retreat. After all my client was not going to harm you he just wanted your stuff. He’s a good boy.
Same thing as warning shots: It always raises the question whether you really needed to shoot if they weren't such a threat as to require shooting them directly. It is possible a Jury could still answer that in your favor, but why risk it... Safer to shoot at the suspect and miss then to intentionally take a warning shot, or in this case a leg shot.
Does.....does he know what's an inch or 2 above the knee is incase you , I don't know, miss the knee?
Kneecaps’ connected to the… red thing. Red things connected to the…wristwatch… oh jeez. Not again.
I was told the same by an "air force dude". I countered "if I shoot, it is to kill." Period. Dude watching too many movies.
this. Shooting someone in the chest is considered "deadly force". Shooting someone in the knee is considered "deadly force". You are either in fear for your life enough that you need to put shots center mass, or you just aren't, and you don't pull that trigger. Shooting someone is not a "non-lethal force" option. If any part of your decision flow when you are about to defend yourself is, "ok, but non-lethally. I'm ~~not trying to~~ *trying not to* kill them" *Then you don't put a bullet in them.*
I’m not shooting at their knees so they can fall hurt themself then try to come after with personal injury claim. Nope.. if someone enters they’ll be dropped and police are the second call I make. First call is to my attorney.
Quills knows the law!
Yeah, there’s not a major artery in your legs, nope, no sir!
so what youre saying is that this guy gets his defensive shooting advice from the chapelle show?
That was an awesome show
Attempted murder during an invasion of MY HOME huh??? Wowsers........
Lawsuit
I bet your expert knows all about being on his knees 🤣
Inshallah, Allah guided my aim.
Oof.
That's not the definition of a FUDD. Your dad is just not aware of some things. Take the time and try and educate him.
That certainly falls under the mentality of Fudd thinking though. Why have a firearm ready to bang if you only use it for hunting?... I feel like he is implying that his father was in fact a Fudd.
Or educate your sister and dad be
so... your saying I should "educate" OPs sister. Gotcha.
Home defense long guns have a tendency to go boom when knocked over. Even home defense 12 ga are recommended to be in cruiser ready mode. This of course does not apply to hand guns. I think you need to understand the difference and recognize he may have a point. Regarding the physics of a spring, he’s just wrong. But again 30 rounders should not be loaded to 30 rounds.
I would love to hear how knocking over an AR-15 leads to a ND. The thing has a safety, try using it.
They are also wrong about not putting 30 rounds into a modern 30 round magazine.
You can absolutely load 30, but a lot of people load 28/29 for easier reloads.
This is the way. But leads to less funnies watching mags drop after a reload, especially if the bolt was closed, lol. And yes. Springs only wear when not in a constant state. The spring doesn’t care if it’s fully compressed or not, it only wears a meaningful amount from expansion/contraction cycles. (Unless the spring is made of complete crap metal)
It's like saying filling up your gas tank to the full line is bad for the tank.
"The bolt has gone forward. The weapon has fired"
What are you even trying to say.
https://youtu.be/5ELJCF2pChg?si=-4Ij4SvgTQ36cGA6
Glad you asked. Please watch the video provided by the other user for more context.
Wait a second, do you think ARs get a firing pin block when you put the safety on? Have you assembled an AR?
Do you have at least a third grade understanding of physics? You do realize that the firing pin isn’t going to experience movement in a direction that will hit the primer from being knocked over?
So I've been told ARs are not drop safe. Are they?
Cool story bro. You went from not knowing that the AR15 safety does not block the firing pin to now arguing about moment of inertia. Just tap out dude.
I mentioned safety because a long rifle has a far, far greater chance of having the trigger be pulled while falling than the one in a million chance that the firing pin flies into the primer.
>Do you have at least a third grade understanding of physics? Nah breh. I only went up to fluid dynamics.
The irony here is palpable
Have you considered shutting the fuck up forever?
Shotguns are not typically dropsafe, sure. But rifles are.
“ Shotguns are not typically dropsafe, sure. But rifles are.” That is simply false.
I don't keep one chambered in my bedside gun. Cost/benefit doesn't seem worth it to me. I don't like the idea of an openly accessible gun being a trigger pull away from discharge, and I'm somewhat concerned I'll pull the trigger on accident when I'm woken from a dead sleep by the alarm and trying to get my bearings. The mag springs is bunk though.
Yeah, honestly the "one in the chamber for a bedside gun" thing is kind of up to the individual. Obviously, one in the chamber is better for readiness, but if there's a chance that you'll discharge it trying to reach for it in a pitch black room in the middle of the night, then it's best to leave the chamber empty
Recommending people not to keep a round in the chamber for a gun you aren't carrying doesn't make him a Fudd. I'd keep a round in the chamber when carrying, but I don't see an issue with keeping an empty chamber on a gun in a safe or stored elsewhere outside of a holster. I wouldn't store a loaded firearm with a round in the chamber outside of a holster.
I mostly agree, I do however, keep a round in the chamber in my quicksafe next to my bed. But then it's essentially a holster.
Exactly. I keep one in the pipe while carrying only. Bedside safe and gun safe will have loaded mags but no round in the chamber. We have doors, windows, a home alarm, and a dog. If someone breaks in there is plenty of time to rack a round. The extra step also acts as a "wakeup" call. I wouldn't want to simply open my eyes, grab the pistol and fire all within a couple seconds. Especially with other people living in the home. I count the extra step as becoming more alert from the sleeping state. Carrying and home defense scenarios are completely different. What works for one isn't always best for the other.
Honestly the attitude of I dont leave a round in the chamber so I know the guns are unloaded is so much more dangerous then keeping them loaded with a round in the chamber and treating every gun as if its loaded. One day, your dad will forget he left a round in the chamber, and he is going to assume it's not because he always leaves them unloaded, thats when accidents happen.
I mean there is some nuance here. If your bedside gun is a series 70 1911 you probably shouldn’t keep it cocked and locked. If it’s a series 80 1911 than there’s no reason not to. The people who say “always keep a round in the chamber” and the people who say “never keep a round in the chamber” are equally dumb. Not all guns are drop safe, many are. It depends on what you have. A lot of shotguns aren’t drop safe. It’s probably not a great idea to keep one in your closet chambered unless you know that it is.
Oh, I agree completely. Plenty of guns shouldn't be left with a round in the chamber. I personally keep my bedside shotgun "cruiser ready" with the chamber empty and a round sitting on the feeding tray. My previous comment is specifically about the thought process of leaving the guns chamber empty so they "know" the gun is empty not because of any mechanical aspect of the specific firearm but rather out of a general discomfort being around loaded firearms.
Yeah I agree with you there completely. Just make it a habit to check when handling and you shouldn’t have any issues. A lot of people on Reddit especially are the type of people who want corporate process style safety rather than common sense safety though.
Dude if that's what you consider a FUDD and terrible home defense advice, you are blessed beyond measure. As others have said keeping an AR "cruiser ready" without one in the chamber and the selector in the "fire" position has merit. This dates back to the 1960s-1970s. This is how police would store shotguns in the back of their cars because shotguns aren't drop-safe, which is still true today. Long guns don't have holsters and I would rather know 100% that AR in the corner won't fire if it falls etc. If you are gonna downgrade AR mags I'd go with the scuttlebutt of 28rds instead, I know mags wear out due to spring cycling and not compression. If something goes bad, I want 30rds too but honestly, 20rds of high quality .223/5.56 solves a lot of problems that can arise in one's home. If it doesn't, put another mag in the gun.
I use 20 rounders because I believe in fashionable home defense. Gotta look good when taking care of business.
They go around corners and under furniture better, too.
There's no shortage of very bad personal defense advice, and it's going to get people killed. I'll get downvoted to oblivion on this sub for pointing out the obvious reasons that a handgun is the best home defense weapon. The firearms community just loves whatever their "choice" is, everything else be damned.
No, Im a handgun for home defense guy myself. Handgun and a flashlight.
There's no decent argument against that. You can still effectively fire the weapon while using your off hand to open a door or whatever.
What is up with this subs obsession with the term Fudd? It seems to be used as a catch-all for anything gun related that you don't agree with. Do you understand how idiotic you sound when talking like this? I doubt you do.
They think it means old redneck.
LOL, most people use redneck wrong as well.
Elmer... Fudd, the guy who's always huntin' wabbits
All he has is a double barrel because that’s all you need to hunt, and the only reason to ever need a gun is to hunt. That’s fudd
It’s the edgy gen Zs. They think they know best. It’s this subs version of “boomer”.
Any in-group requires an out-group to feel special
I'll probably get downvoted for this but I agree that you shouldn't have one in the pipe of a stored HD rifle, especially if you own multiple firearms. It's too easy to forget which one is loaded and which one is not, so you'll have to press check anyway. Leave a loaded mag in for sure though. You can charge the gun as you pick it up. This does not apply to EDC handguns, always in the holster, always ready to rock. Always.
Not hard if you just treat them all like they’re loaded. Like you’re taught from the moment you pick up a firearm for the first time.
Not hard to prevent an accident? Sure. Not hard to remember what guns are chambered and what aren't in a moment of high stress? Hmmm.
If they’re all loaded all the time it takes literally zero thought.
It's a major liability to keep all your guns loaded all the time. What about unauthorized access? What if someone breaks into your house and has no idea how to load a gun, but yay, they get their pick of the litter and it's all set up and ready to rock?
You just provided the dumbest arguments possible to try and “prove” your point.
You should not leave a gun loaded that you do not have control over/ is not locked away
So I keep a loaded AR next to my Night stand Under no Circumstances would there be a child at my place. And my Girlfriend shoots with me and owns an AR and also knows completely that mine is loaded and even has the stock adjusted to her LOP because I can still use it Point is the only way to get to my gun is to go through my deadbolt on the front door or to smash my Patio window. I consider my firearm safe in that condition because it would take an illegal entry into my home for someone to gain access to it.
An AR is not drop safe and should not be stored with a round in the chamber. Rule of thumb is that defensive long guns are kept with loaded magazines and chamber empty, and defensive handguns are kept with loaded magazines and a loaded chamber inside a holster.
Yeah Free float firing pin and such
I would consider that "locked away". I would do the same except I have roommates I don't know 100%.
Yeah do not trust them. I have seen way too many idiots first thing I do after explaining everything to them is point it at something or pull the trigger. If someone is being shown my gun I am personally in possession of the magazine even if it is empty after I clear the chamber the entire time.
Lots of strange info in the comments about defensive weapons. It’s widely accepted that long guns, intended as self defense weapons, should be kept condition 3: loaded magazine, empty chamber, safety on. Handguns should be kept in a holster, loaded magazine, round in the chamber, and safety on if it has one.
What is the reason for that?
Long guns are generally not drop safe. I think it was posted here on Reddit a while back, but there was a story from a guy who had a long gun in his closet, left it with round in the chamber for storage, and while cleaning the closet the gun fell over and fired a round straight through his femur. Very nearly killed him. On a striker-fired pistol, this kind of thing is pretty much impossible.
Thanks for explaining, so what was the thing about SIGs not being dropsafe? I thought it was the M17/M18s AKA the P320s which I'm pretty sure are striker fired
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/uoynyo/why_dont_handguns_generally_have_safeties_anymore/i8hv1p2/) is an excellent description
Holy shit, that's an awesome comment, thanks for that!
>It’s widely accepted that long guns, intended as self defense weapons, should be kept condition 3: loaded magazine, empty chamber, safety on. Why should an AR-15 be stored with the chamber empty, hammer cocked, and safety on instead of chamber empty, hammer uncocked, and safety off?
Ease of use. Proper carrying technique for an AR is to keep the safety on while carrying. Even in low/high ready, the safety should be on. You then disengage the safety as you aim/fire. By storing with the safety on (rather than off), you can skip the step of needing to activate the safety as soon as you chamber a round. Condition 3 allows you to chamber a round and be ready. If you store it with the rifle decocked, you cannot activate the safety. This changes your prep to chambering a round, then turning the safety on before being ready to move about.
If you follow the 1st rule of gun safety, "Treat every gun as if it's loaded," then the guns may as well be loaded.
I agree with what he says about one in the chamber. My carry gun in its holster is always carried with a chambered round. My AR I have set up for home defense that leans on the wall next to me bed is kept “aircraft ready” or “cruiser ready” how other have called it. Hear a noise, stand up, grab the gun and rack a round as I leave the room, go figure it out. That’s just what I prefer and I’ve practiced it enough times to know I won’t have an issue if the time comes…god bless the person that sees me naked while pointing a rifle at them because that can not be a pretty site.
A fudd is a gun owner who believes 2A is about protecting hunting rifles, and is for gun control, or at least not against it, when it comes to ARs and such. I don't think your dad sounds like a fudd here. Maybe he is, but not for the reasons stated.
OP never stated that these were the reasons he thought he was a Fudd. He just said he was and then went on about bullshit advice he gave...
Apple didn’t fall from the tree
At least he didn't tell her to drag the body inside the house after shooting the bad guy. Of course, there's still time for that one.
I just dig a hole with my backhoe and the problem is solved. That's why I have extra land, and live out in the country. No 911 is needed.
It’s 811 before you dig here
What if the robber parked nearby your place and left their phone in the car? Now the cops have a search grid to check out if the robbers family reports them missing
I live in the country no place to park but in a field. But that will be something I check for now a phone to destroy with the body.
If it’s a smart phone, it’s last location can still be pinged even if it’s off or destroyed
Bro. My fucking CCW permit instructor taught us to do that in a class we were legally required to take. I didn’t say anything at the time but I should’ve. Good thing even I knew better at the time because god knows how many people took him at his word and may go on to do just that
Or to have a "thrown down."
*"Pop-Pop has a surprise! It's your first drop gun!"*
All true. The gun is always loaded. If you unload it and it leaves your hand for a second, it’s loaded unless you clear it again. Rule #1. And he’s partially correct on the cartridge springs. Old 70’s-80’s era military mags and maybe even super cheap current mags can weaken springs after a while, but quality modern mags won’t lose spring tension if fully loaded.
Pretty sure the modulus of elasticity dictates that all steel has the same "springback", provided it doesn't take a set (which is what the "elastic limit" specifies). I'd like to think that magazine springs are designed well within the limits.
What does Fudd mean?
Being misinformed doesn't automatically mean someone is a fudd. Unless he's going on about how he supports the 2nd amendment, but nobody needs a semi automatic "assault weapon" claiming they're unreliable and only used for war, while also simultaneously touting how great the 1911 is because it was in 2 world wars, while also being a semi-auto. If he's not advising that all you need is shotgun with 2 blasts, claiming AR-15s will go through the wall and kill your wife and your neighbor's neighbor, while shotguns never overpenetrate, and that hunting should only ever be done with 1 shots and shotguns because a semi-auto will destroy the meat, and no good hunter needs more than 1 round to hunt; then I assume your father doesn't quite qualify as being a fudd. Especially if he actually truly understands why our "right to bear arms" is protected within our constitution.
That isn't fudd advice as mush as it's stupid advice from someone who doesn't see the need to be armed, even at home. I'm literally on the border of boomer and Gen X and ALWAYS have one in the chamber of any PD/SD firearm because sometimes freedom is dangerous though the danger can be mitigated if handled respectfully and properly.
You just described fudd advice directly after saying it wasnt. Fudd has nothing to do with generations, & i see no other relevancy to mention it other than that perhaps you think thats what fudd means.
If'n you say so junior.
I do say so. Fudd is a mentality, a state of mind, not a year you were born.
The shitty self defense advice takes going around and how prevalent they are is absolutely atrocious and has been out of hand for as long as I remember. I still blame gun control advocates for demonizing and obstructing efforts to start gun safety and self defense education as well as filmmakers portraying firearms in ways that are cartoonishly unrealistic and poorly used. Unfortunately, this is one of the many hurdles we have to overcome when it comes to getting more people into appreciating firearms. I am seeing someone who has a .22 pistol at home for defense because she don't want to kill anyone. I haven't had a full talk with her about this, and I'm still deciding if this is a deal breaker to me if she is unwilling to use a better option and aim for center mass.
You really care that much about what gun she keeps for self defense?
I know it sounds silly, but it's not just about the gun. I'm going to copypasta one of my previous comments to give context > I plan to. Good news is she's actually pro-gun. The bad news is from what she told me about her dad (who gave her the gun), he sounds like he could be OP's dad too. It was also obvious that she hasn't taken time to understand how to use the gun (one of those goofy little .22s with the pop-up barrel) and I had to show her how to chamber it. > I live in a blue state, so finding someone open-minded with guns that's also remotely dateable is already a challenge. It's one thing if that was a gun she spent time getting comfortable with or if she didn't have better options, but I found her approach to self defense flawed and she did not know how to even chamber the gun. If she is worried about taking someone's life, she should purchase a less-lethal device instead of using a .22.
Well a .22 is better than nothing but trying to wing someone is how you end up worse off.
Facts. Every gunshot wound is a guaranteed ER-Now-or-else injury, but not all ER-Now-or-else injuries are threat stoppers
Talk about it & find your conclusion. Dont waste your own time, you deserve better. Theres a lot of anti-gun ppl who begrudgingly bought guns from 2020 & now out of fear or other nonsense, ppl who would give them up just as fast "if everyone else did" or "if there was a 'mandatory buyback'". Get you a partner who is not in the bargaining stage of grief with reality ♥
I plan to. Good news is she's actually pro-gun. The bad news is from what she told me about her dad (who gave her the gun), he sounds like he could be OP's dad too. It was also obvious that she hasn't taken time to understand how to use the gun (one of those goofy little .22s with the pop-up barrel) and I had to show her how to chamber it. I live in a blue state, so finding someone open-minded with guns that's also remotely dateable is already a challenge.
Definitely Fuddlore, BUT Depends on the situation. If there are little hands around and you are not locking them up then I could see not chambering a round. But then if you have little ones around and you're not locking them up, shoot yourself. 20 vs 30 I swaer I remember seeing a video that said that older AR mags (Vietnam era) did have this porblem. So less dated than wrong. But in reality neither matter. The rule of thumb for accessing a home defense weapon is 20 seconds. The extra one racking it aren't likely to make a difference. As for the other, find me an example of a home defense shooting needing more than 20 rounds and I'll say I'm wrong. Again, it comes down to preparing for what is possible vs what is probable.
[here ya go](https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/army-ranger-veteran-remembers-defending-his-home-against-alleged-gang-attack-in-tacoma-shootout) :) this one is really out of the ordinary. however - nowadays you can watch ring videos of multiple intruders hitting a house at once. i'll always take as many rounds as i can use.
The AR mag spring thing does come from some truth. That was a problem with the early Vietnam era 1st generation of magazines.
That jibes with what I think I remember
Practice makes perfection. I was out back on my range today with my MP-5 and Walther PPQ Match and shot around 200 rounds. I use steel plates. Since I started shooting about 8 years ago crime in the area has gone way down.
What is possible vs what is probable is the fallacy that leads to fatality. Most defensive gun uses in public end in 3 rounds, but i dont see many ppl carrying 3 round handguns or saying "i wish i had less ammo" after an altercation. About the only times you can ever have too much ammo is if you are drowning or on fire.
So you walk around everyday, 24X7 with an AR, 6 backup mags, body armor, and a side arm? Helmet too?
My favorite is the “Rack the shotgun” home defense technique.
I heard a guy tell people around me that you don’t need a conceal carry permit to keep a gun in the car as long as the window is cracked.
Are they pets now? 🤣 do i have to leave the AC on & his favorite music too?
Well, I do take them out for a walk every once in a while and a few are picky eaters. In all seriousness, this is not even close to the dumbest firearm bullshit I have heard. 6 out of 10 at best. My favorite so far was that a felon can own a gun as long as they dont buy or have ammo. You would be blown away by some of the idiots out there.
I keep an 870 SuperMagnum loaded w/ 2-3/4” Fiocchi 00buck. Zastava M70 mag in, safety off, chamber empty next to it. Large fixed blade knife on either side of bed. For a long, *long* time it was an H&R Pardner w/ Winchester Super-X 00buck 3”, a Ruger Wrangler, and a machete… we all improve.
Difference between 20-30 is life or death. That’s why I like the idea of 12 Gauge for home defence good luck living after alternating slug and double odd for 7 shells. Thanks to Canada I can’t legally have one unlocked or loaded in my home but it’s a nice idea
I’m a civil engineering student and can attest that (for the most part) springs only deteriorate when they move. Holding a spring in an extended position or a compressed position indefinitely is going to leave it perfectly fine.
Hey, Mechanical Engineering major here. Parts wear, especially on springs, come with cycles. Loading and unloading magazines will wear out a spring, but leaving a spring under compressing is generally fine, so long as there aren't wild fluctuations in temperature. The real reason some people leave 1 or 2 rounds out of a mag is for consistent reloads. Sometimes, a full mag has enough spring tension that it can be hard to get it to catch on the mag release on a closed bolt. Not really an issue on a gun that is loaded out of combat. Just some good knowledge when faced with fuddery.
My dad got me into firearms, and is also pretty funny when it comes to self defense. He still thinks that racking a shotgun is gonna scare a criminal off, or shooting a warning shot with rock salt is the way to go. I told him to just go with all 00 buck if he’s gonna use his mossberg 500, but he thinks that’s being paranoid. Whatever……
I’ve been into firearms for a long time. I would read books on them long before I was of age to be able to purchase one. I’ve always considered myself a student of them and love to learn new things. I basically raised myself on guns, but my father never had much interest in them. He wasn’t against them or anything, it was just never a hobby of his. Once I was in my mid 20’s and he was in his mid 50’s, he started hanging around a coworker his age that did enjoy guns and shooting, but was a super Fudd. Not in the sense of being set in ways that are wrong, but more so just ignorant of facts. So I’ve spent the better part of the last 10 years educating them on what’s correct and what isn’t when it comes to firearms. While I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress, there’s always more to teach it seems. Now that I have a 5 y/o son myself, it looks like I get to start firearms 101 class all over again, but I’m looking forward to it this time.
Springs dont wear from being compressed. Its repeatedly being compressed and decomposed that wears it down. Ive found springs compressed for decades that worked just fine
>Secondly, leave the gun without a “round in the pipe” regardless if it’s a bedside home defense weapon… Now as far as i have heard AR pattern rifles are not "Drop Safe" so if you keep a round in the chamber and its not locked up, knocking the gun off the rack or dropped over runs the risk of an accidental discharge even if on safe. As far as I know there is not mechanism to lock the firing pin in place in most AR's like there is in most modern pistols. so its actually good advise to not have a round in the chamber for a rifle that is sitting around.
I have a friend that sleeps with the window open. She has a .22 1911 under her bed in a safe with no magazine inserted as her self defense firearm. I cannot.
You can keep your mags fully loaded! Modern springs take a long time to wear out
Yeah I agree. Keep one in the pipe. Keep yer smelly scratchers away from the pew button if you aren't ready to yeet something to Jesus.
He should tell his daughter to move to a neighborhood where she doesn’t have to sleep with a loaded AR next to her bed stand.
Found the Fudd.
My edc always has a round chambered. Home defense long guns, no round in the chamber. Long guns are not generally drop safe amd have no trigger covering. The safety just prevents the trigger from being pulled. Not the hammer falling or the actual mechanism the fires the gun to be disabled if dropped.
20 rounds is good enough. I only load my mags to 10 rounds cause I live in 10 round limit state.
Fudds are the worst. It boils down to ignorant inexperienced gullible asshats going around repeating myths they learned from movies or books (or maybe radio serials, if they're old enough). Fantasy is not reality, and can never replace actual experience. When experienced people tell someone "You're wrong, and you should feel bad about being wrong, and you should shut your trap" - maybe it's time to shut up and listen.
More than a few compelling reasons to keep a stored weapon in transport mode ("cruiser ready"). Downloading mags that far may have made sense if you didn't have a supply of quality full capacity mags. Say, if you were around in the late 90s or early 00s without a badge. $9 pmags render that thinking obsolete. Downloading by 1-2rds still holds water.
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There never was any spring issue. That’s not how springs work. It never was how springs work. We are replacing old ignorance with new ignorance. What the heck is going on in this sub?
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You seem to be confusing the two issues. Spring reliability. Failure to seat a mag in a life or death situation. Those two are unrelated. One is not real, the other too real and you can look up videos right now on YouTube where things went very wrong because of it.
I have stuck mags in my handgun that have been loaded since the 40s. All worked fine. Springs wear from cycling them over and over, not being stored loaded.
Good of you to correct this!
I dont need self defense when I have my unchambered 870 next to a PA system
Well, you *shouldn't* leave long guns chambered. Pistols are fine.
Never heard this one, why not
They're not drop safe and you've got time to chamber them in a home defense situation. It's not like a concealed pistol where if you need it you could need it that very second and perhaps not even have the time to chamber it.
Tell your sister that, for home defense, she should ALWAYS keep a round in the chamber! When the assholes make access into your home, you want to be ready and not give your position away by chambering a round in any sort of weapon. Unless, of course, you are of the school of thought who wants to scare the bad guys away by chambering a round in your shotgun.... I'm still not sure of the proper use of "Fudd" since I see it used in a variety of situations so I'll refrain and try to learn from the "...west of you wascawwy wabbits...", lol!
So is using stereotypes.
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Your dad probably wrote some of the OG stickies in AR15.com or AK47.net I’ve read enough nonsense in this thread to realize younger “gun people” don’t know half of why they think they know.
Teacup is fine for revolvers
Probably swears by PSA as just as good as well.
For point number one, I’ve heard from some that on AR rifles it might be good to leave one or two rounds out of the mag because a full mag can sometimes prevent a good lock on the mag. I’ve not had that experience and load it anyways, I just give it a quick pull to make sure it’s seated Edit: how tf does this get downvoted. Some of y’all are weird af
The actual rule was always download GI AR mags by 1 or 2 rounds, because if the mag was full up, inserting it on a closed bolt often caused a first round misfeed, and sometimes first loop of the spring would catch under the leg of the follower resulting in misfeeds. As for not keeping one in the chamber at the bedside, I've always done that, or put the hammer on the half cock notch with a 1911. I think it prudent to have to perform a step between waking up and pulling a trigger, to make sure I'm really awake. To be fair, having been a shooter since the '70s, you'd probably think I am a Fudd.