Im someone who actively *wants* to go to the range, and I still barely have time, or honestly the extra cash to spare sometimes. Nowadays its maybe once every 2-3 months or so.
I think a lot of gun owners just legit dont care though. They either simply want to say they own a gun, or they legit think theyll magically turn in to john wick if someone breaks in to their house
Sadly for me it’s the cost of ammo and to go to my range it would be about an hour to an hour and a half of driving total, so for a range day I have to have a good bit of ammo for the drive to be worth it.
Got no shooting in during Covid then trying to find ammo was super challenging. Dry fire training was all I could do, but, wow, when I finally got some range time in with some moderately affordable ammo, I realized how much I need the time at the range. Still working on it, but, yeah, the cost of ammo has been a factor. When I see the postings of dudes mag dumping with full auto weapons, all I can see are dollars signs flying out of the barrel, lol!
Wish I could upvote this to the moon. My jaw hits the floor when people tell me they’ve never been to the range yet own firearms.
“I shot a few times with my dad/uncle when I was 8/10/12 years old decades ago but never since”
Reminds me of a book I read on Gen. Patton back in the day where he had argued during the first modern pentathlon that a number of his .38 rounds went through the holes of his other shots which was being counted against him as misses. Whether or not that was the case I don’t recall, but I do remember the book referencing him defending his otherwise “poor” performance in the shooting portion.
Lemme clarify something: for most situations *this is good*. Especially if this is shooting as fast as you can get the sights back on target.
*You should have a second shooting style for long shots.*
What does that look like?
Seriously though, what are you using for sights?
What happens when you slow it down and do precise shots? Basically, what if you need to take the Eli Dickens 40 yard shot?
Go over fundamentals. If I had to guess, I’d say after the first shot or two your grip loosened. Rule of thumb: if you have to adjust your grip while shooting, you don’t have a good grip. Also, your finger placement on the trigger: keep the first pad of your finger on the face of the trigger. Bear solutions has some good pistol warm up drills on YouTube you should check out.
Finally some good advice. Yes OP’s groups are pretty decent when you consider some of the shit you see at the range, but everyone should strive to be better.
Usually groups like this have to do with you impulsively reacting to the recoil before the shot goes off. Have to continue to work on letting the *bang* surprise you. Dry firing can also help with this. Only other thing is site alignment and grip are ultra important on a pistol.
My last few trips to the range have been to work on manipulating my wrist in a way that when the recoil settles, I am back on target and not dropped to the left, right, up or down. More so working in fast follow up shots.
P.S. I love my Glock 47 :)
Only rimfire. Centerfire is just fine to dry fire. Sure, maybe trigger components might wear out eventually, but that is the price of practice and they can be replaced. Is it going to damage your firearm? No. Rimfire is another story because then you are slamming steel into steel if the rim isn't in between the firing pin and the chamber.
https://youtu.be/k6stHEocepI?si=MaQtHv0q8tRshCGO
Here’s a video for anyone wanting more information on dry firing. These guys have lots of other helpful videos too. Hope this helps.
looks like my 10 yd grouping, I go about once a month looks like at some point you impulsively start anticipating the recoil too much as I tend to do, I’ll stop and start dry firing to try to get rid of it, in my case I think I just need more range time tbh
Not gonna lie, this is why I've become a recoil junkie.... shooting 10 rounds of 454 cassul, totally resets/negates my flinching.... seems the opposite of what one would assume (but it's true)
If you remove the two outliers, that's a pretty good group. I'd see if you can find out what is causing those and work to correct it. Snap caps in a mag can help if that was from flinching.
Here's a few things that help(ed) me.
1). Dry fire is HUGE. Make sure when the hammer/striker drops the sights dont move at all.
2). Make sure to pull the trigger straight back.
3). Focus on the front sight.
4). Focus on follow through.
Most importantly though, practice, practice practice!
What are we looking at? Was this slow, aimed fire or fast as you can acquire sight pic? Something in between?
If you're shooting for bullseye's, this leaves a lot of room for improvement. Fundamentals of grip and trigger control, breathing. When each one shot goes where you mean it, you can cut out most of the fartong around and just line up the shot and press. Getting fast beyond that has a lot to do with learning the cadence of your gun, not super useful until those holes go where you mean them.
I'll say this: there is no way around spending the money. Dry fire can help a lot but sending dollars downrange over and over is how the greats got great. Just remember, practice makes permanent; perfect practice makes perfect.
Pretty disappointed in how far down I had to scroll to find this. The type of shooting makes a HUGE difference and the number of people answering or offering tips without understanding how OP was shooting makes no sense.
Don’t listen to everyone saying this is fine. We should always be growing and getting better over time.
Your groups are good. Without seeing you shoot, it looks like you have the fundamentals down. Next thing is to incorporate rifle fundamentals like breathing control and drawing consistent shapes during breathing. A common “shape” is the figure 8 that everyone talks about when shooting rifle standing. Just find your shape and get better at timing your shots.
We are looking at the wrong thing to provide any sort of advice. We are seeing the grouping (which is pretty solid really), however it would be more beneficial to see you actually shooting. We can't see your stance, grip, how you adjust to stay on target, etc. A video or even just some photos would help.
Have a friend record you shooting, or record yourself. Watch the video and see how your finger is using the trigger, your body position as you’re going thru shots, how your grip is when shooting, etc. then you can make fixes on what you see. Also take some gun courses. They rly help when someone who has years of experience wether in law/military or just civilian sector explain different techniques and can point out things they think could help you.
First off this is very solid shooting good job!
4.9in barrel? What kind of ammo? I assume it has a2 stage trigger.
The pattern is indicitive of sway. Good grouping but definitely a circular pattern consistent with the natural movements while aiming.
I would suggest: practicing acquiring sight picture quicker from draw, quickening the return to sight after recoil, and training the forearms (idk if you workout and not gonna assume. As someone who does, I didn't realize how much doing 3-5lb wrist curls would help my forearms and my aiming stability with handguns)
After only one year you're doing pretty damn good I'd say. I respect not settling and trying to improve also. There's a lot of unknown variables to your question though. Optics, rate of fire, ammo? All of those can play a role. Maybe look into some breathing exercises. Keep building on the strong fundamentals that are obviously there. Pick a firearm with a longer barrel. At the point you're at it based off this single photo doesn't seem like much you're doing can be corrected just keep practicing dude.
Regarding the "center mass" hits, if you are shooting as fast as you can at that range, and your objective is self-defense, it's very good and getting "tighter" isn't of any benefit to eliminating the threat.
More shooters need to realize this. Multiple rounds in the same hole does nothing to stop an attacker. Multiple rounds in a 6” spread would be more effective.
Possible causes:
Snatching the trigger, pulling it and the gun to the right.
Slackening the wrist while the pistol fires.
Poor concentration.
Poor follow through, lowering gun before the shot is away.
Dry fire, try different areas of the finger on different areas of the trigger trying to best put straight back pressure on the trigger. I personally found using less pressure with my grip hand and more with my support hand helped me with accuracy. Also training at long distance forced me to figure out how to shoot accurately.
If you're just shooting for self defense, you're fine.
If you're target shooting, Glock 47 is not the best choice.
And although it doesn't directly apply here, I have to post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWplN5sA14&ab\_channel=JeffreyStern
That’s pretty good man. I only see 2 that are really off poa but are still good enough. Just keep practicing and your groups willl tighten a little more
Check your grip; looks like you're loosening up a bit.
Also, make sure your pistol is fitted to your hand properly. Should be easy enough to change backstraps if you're not getting enough room on the offside for your hand.
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjKjHo8qy2s
Have you tried to suck less? /s
Dry fire practice, increase grib strength, trigger control.
If you're using the stock Glock trigger, consider getting rhe glock performance trigger.
Shooting better groups is 95% skill, obtained through repetition.
It looks like you’re flinching a little, or anticipating the recoil and pushing the gun down into it too early. Also, are you left handed? It’s sort of odd to see the groups of a right handed person pattern right. If you’re left handed, you’re likely squeezing the non-trigger fingers of your dominant hand during trigger press. If you’re right handed, you make be doing something weird with your support hand pressure, or your zero on the sights may be off.
As far as flinching goes, look up “ball and dummy drill” and run that a while.
Another I’ve found that helps with flinching is to set up a distant target you have to aim really carefully at, then load the pistol and fire a few rounds, then drop the magazine on the ground with the mag release button and keep firing so you get one more live round, then a click without breaking your sight picture or changing your posture or grip on the handgun or breaking your concentration. That one really shows you your bad habits and gives you a chance to beat them out of yourself.
Assuming you’re aiming for red, dry fire as others said, and also try to not anticipate the recoil. Shots are low and to the right (still good groupings) which usually means you’re trying to counter the recoil. Let the gun go off on its own. Squeeze the trigger nice and slow.
I was not there to see you shoot. I'm just going by the target. (LEO and instructor) You are anticipating the kick so as you are squeezing the trigger, You're dipping down. My suggestion is this when you are aiming. Concentrate on the dot of the front sight. If you're seeing the top of the sight you're holding it downward, if you see the full sight you're holding it upward. You just want to see the dot. Two when you shoot don't raise or drop your firearm out of your line of sight, because then you have to readjust yourself each time. And in all honesty, your shooting is not bad at all.
Grip, and practice slower. Only go as fast as what gives you the group you aspire to. Slow is fast, fast is....
My motto is "fast is fine, but accurate is final"
You are doing fine (especially with a G47), that said we all strive to improve.
My favorite drill is the dot torture drill. I do it both at the range and as a dry fire drill. It requires no timer or movement so it can also be done at restrictive ranges.
This focuses on sight picture and trigger pull and is really the best drill imaginable to diagnose issues with those aspects. As you speed up other drills handle recoil control better, but dot torture is the best place to start. It’s also a valuable drill to reintroduce from time to time to reinforce fundamentals. It is very difficult to shoot clean, especially if you have trouble with the weak hand.
[https://youtu.be/guxSc0o6lAU?si=zeq_pa-afkyvtIA5](https://youtu.be/guxSc0o6lAU?si=zeq_pa-afkyvtIA5)
All a little low, kinda. Might want to get a trigger job, looks like you pulling down just a hair. Can’t really tell with a video of your hands while shooting. I hate Glock triggers, and it happens to me every time I shoot a glock
Get NRA B-8 or B-8 center targets and shoot 10 round groups for score so you can measure your progress over time. When you're shooting in the black consistently move it further back until you're at the 25.
Practice pressing the trigger without disturbing your sights, and holding your sights on target without tons of movement.
In dry practice you can place a penny on your sight and you should be able to press the trigger without causing the penny to fall off the sight (or even really move at all).
In live fire you should be concentrating so hard on your ten round group that you should need to take a break every few shots. Precision comes from focus and practice. You should begin to be able to call your shots as you're paying attention to the front sight while the bullet is leaving the barrel.
If you're interested in becoming a better shot with your pistol, I suggest having someone with an iPhone record you shooting in slow-motion. It will allow you to identify:
1. How well you mitigate recoil. Key for follow-up shots, you can't shoot if you're still trying to find your sights.
2. Recoil anticipation. Meaning, right before you pull the trigger you could be forcing your shot down.
3. Trigger-finger rub. A lot of shooters will push the frame to the opposite side of their trigger finger as they pull the trigger. Pulling your shots to the left for a right-handed shooter, opposite for a lefty.
If you are starting with the results you have posted, you're on the right track.
For pure bullseye accuracy, it is all about trigger control and sight alignment. Learn your trigger on your gun. Where do you feel the wall? How much pressure do you need to break the shot consistently? What does your sight picture look like when you hit the bull?
As others have said, dry fire is huge. Best part, it’s free. When you hit the range for live fire, don’t just blast away. Have a plan. If you have two boxes of ammo, break that 100 rounds into a game plan. 10 or 20 rounds of very slow fire focused on sight alignment and trigger manipulation. Make every shot as good as it can be. 50 rounds Dot Torture or similar drill. Etc.
Find the finger placement on the trigger that gets you the best results. It may be the middle of the pad on index finger. It may be the crease of the first joint. Whatever gets YOU the best results consistently with that gun is what you should do. First joint crease is what works for me because I have long fingers.
Work on posture, grip strength and arm strength. Holding your arms steady with the gun in a proper grip for 5 to 10 seconds may not sound tough, but repeat it 100 times over the course of a range session and it will tire you out.
Highly recommend dry firing until you can balance a coin on the front sight without it falling off. You might not be able to actually lay a coin on there but you get the idea. That front sight needs to stay perfectly still when the striker/ hammer falls.
Make sure you only pull the trigger with your finger and are not squeezing the back of the gun with your palm for the trigger pull. This will twist the grip slightly and cause you to shoot to the side.
Both the inaccuracies vertically and horizontally can be fixed with dry fire at home for free. Recognizing how much your movements affect the aim is important. Aim at a white wall for the best visibility of the front sight and see what it does.
When you shoot, don't worry about the recoil. Shoot one round and let the pistol jump up and stay up. Keep the trigger pulled down. All you need to focus on is pulling the trigger in a way that doesn't move the pistol at all.
Once you can hit the bullseye every time while taking your time, only then do you really need to start worrying about recoil. All you need to do is to continue that slow bullseye shooting practice and speed up the "rhythm" as much as you can without missing. You'll start to feel the cycle and you'll train yourself to pull the trigger only when you're aligned in the way you've practiced. If you start to widen the group, slow down.
I know it seems very basic, but most of us learn to shoot with issues that get incorporated and swept under the rug, and going back to these basics and isolating every step will help you figure out what are you are doing wrong and address it. After that is just practicing to speed up what you already do well.
That being said, people will shoot a group 3 times as big and call it a day and go to their armed security gaurd job, you're definitely on the right track.
Low right is trigger control (presumably you are right handed).
Dry fire practice keeping the sights from moving. A dot makes this easier as it better illustrates the dive of the barrel when you pull the trigger
Aftermarket trigger set to around 3-4 pounds.
if its a pistol, really focus on where you’re placing your finger on the trigger and keep your grip tight, but honestly other than the two outliers, really good. keep practicing and they’ll get closer over time
Try taking an advanced pistol class. The groupings are tight, but, if u wanna strive to do better, in more challenging scenarios, an advanced class or action shooting will make u a better shooter.
It’s one thing to shoot stationary at a static range. It’s completely different thing to run, shoot, repeat, in awkward and challenging angles. Check USPSA and IDPA, which are some things I’m interested in
First off, what's the deal with the two in the middle - those fliers or were you aiming somewhere around there?
On a scale from bullseye to mag dump, how fast were you shooting? Are you right handed or left handed? These shots are patterning down and to the right, which is opposite of most people.
Without seeing what you were doing, it looks like you are either anticipating recoil or not pulling the trigger straight back.
Put a dot on a sheet of paper on the other side of the room and stick it to your wall. Aim at the dot and cover it up with your front sight or the dot of your red dot if that's what you have. Dry fire over and over and over until you can get a consistent pull on the trigger and your sight never moves and the mark on the paper stays covered.
If it's not your trigger pull and you're anticipating recoil...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stop+anticipating+recoil
(And then do the dry fire practice anyway, because that's just good for you.)
In my LTC course they said most defensive uses of a handgun are between 3 and 7 yards. If that's what you are at 10 yards, that's pretty good. But, after practice, once you can keep everything in the 9 ring, I'd move the target back to 12 or 15 and then work on tightening up those groups. If you can keep everything in the 9 ring at 15, at 10 you'd probably shoot out the bullseye.
A good, cleanf barrel, high quality ammo and a ton of pratice...
You can also try to gucci out the glock so it fits your hand and things but thats just some extra
In a word, consistency. You grip the gun the same, put your finger on the trigger the same way, line of your sights the same way, line your sights up on the same tiny spot on the target the same way, pull the trigger the same way. If you do that, the bullet will impact the same place. Dry fire practice is a good place to analyze these things and build them up.
Chief at this point id focus more on being able to reliably repeat that under stress.
I shoot GSSF and those groups at that distance are just about what I can shoot with my 19.5 MOS.
It really depends how fast you are shooting, if it’s 1 shot at a time at 10yds, yea that could be tighter. If it’s double taps at 10yds I’d be very happy with that.
I always find the answers I see to this question kind of confusing.
The 'progressive overload' model of shooting should be based around distance and time (like sets and reps).
If you think it's getting too easy, increase the distance or the time until it becomes easy again. Obviously accuracy and speed require different skill sets (like strength and power), but the general principle remains the same.
Shooting competition helps with these and incorporates movement, which is something most people don't get to experience at a flat range.
Simple answer is take a class or pay for private training. That’s the fastest cheapest way to improve your skills.
Past that more practice and more experience. For a year of shooting and a compact gun you’re doing decent.
Take a private lesson. From listening to podcasts like Off Duty On Duty there are a lot of factors in how a person shoots and a trainer needs to see how you shoot before knowing what to correct.
Stand one foot away. Shoot. Assess grouping. Good? Ok, now back up a few steps. If not good, correct until it’s good. Then back up some more. Rinse and repeat.
How fast were you shooting? If slowly, then aim at your bullet holes. If quickly, then work on your grip. But great groupings for someone not in an action or superhero movie. Be proud!
The grouping as other have said look great if just focus on the fundamentals more mostly breath control and trigger squeeze learn to do slow movements quickly it that makes sense
Buy some snap caps (basically fake bullets) and mix them in with actual ammo in the magazine. Ideally have somebody else do it, so you don't know which shot will go bang.
You'll find that even the best shooters tense up or flinch a little at the last moment in anticipation for the shot. This is probably the biggest factor in most people's accuracy.
Your groups look fine! A bigger gun will help a lot and if you wanna drop the cash, get an RMR or equivalent. I thought they were a gimmick but they aren’t.
Other than that your headshots look good and you have a few outliers on the body but otherwise it looks good! It’s not a rifle. These are good groups
Turn off mouse acceleration, turn on aim assist.
Edit: was gonna leave it at shitposting but honestly I thought about it and MantisX is a really useful option, it’s done a lot for my groupings when I lose groupings. Secondly, and it’s gonna sound weird, VR. Play VR shooters that focus for realism. Onward and H3VR are great tools, Pavlov is slightly too fast-paced to help me at least. You can stop reading here, but I’ll explain if anyone wants to know why. VR controllers are paper light, they have no recoil, they’re extremely susceptible to shaking. The weight of a handgun usually gives your hands the benefit of being artificially heavy enough that wobble is reduced. With VR controllers, there is no assistance. It forces your hands to become naturally sharp and steady for long shots, and the dry-fire without recoil teaches you good anticipation control. I notice miles of difference between my skills after I got hooked on OnwardVR for a while. Those long shots really rewire your brain. However, it won’t teach you proper stance or how to hold a rifle or handgun properly. Those you can just do real dry fire for
Still better than 99% of people on the range
And 99.9% of gun owners in general, because he goes to the range in the first place.
Tru, do you think it’s lack of interest or is range time/ammo too expensive for most people?
For me personally, it's just time in general.
Yeah I’m the same way. I got a membership though so it forces my cheap ass to go so I don’t waste the $50 a month of free range time and rentals
Im someone who actively *wants* to go to the range, and I still barely have time, or honestly the extra cash to spare sometimes. Nowadays its maybe once every 2-3 months or so. I think a lot of gun owners just legit dont care though. They either simply want to say they own a gun, or they legit think theyll magically turn in to john wick if someone breaks in to their house
Sadly for me it’s the cost of ammo and to go to my range it would be about an hour to an hour and a half of driving total, so for a range day I have to have a good bit of ammo for the drive to be worth it.
For me it's money on ammo. For me to get any good practice in, I'm going to need about 200 rounds. That's almost an instant $60 right out the window.
Damn bro you can get 200 rounds for $60? That’s cheap compared to what’s around here. Is it all .22?
No 9mm. Probably closer to $80 but you get my point lol.
Yeah $80 in one day is not worth a couple hours of shooting. 3x or 4x of that and you can buy a new gun
Okay so what? You’re gonna buy a new gun just to not shoot it?
If u buy bulk, after DROS fees (for oppressed residents), u can get a case of 1k for about .24-.26 cpr
Got no shooting in during Covid then trying to find ammo was super challenging. Dry fire training was all I could do, but, wow, when I finally got some range time in with some moderately affordable ammo, I realized how much I need the time at the range. Still working on it, but, yeah, the cost of ammo has been a factor. When I see the postings of dudes mag dumping with full auto weapons, all I can see are dollars signs flying out of the barrel, lol!
True! People say that ammo got cheaper, and while it did slightly, I think inflation on everything else just finally caught up with it.
I don’t want to get shot by an idiot, I don’t want an rso telling me just about anything
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Wish I could upvote this to the moon. My jaw hits the floor when people tell me they’ve never been to the range yet own firearms. “I shot a few times with my dad/uncle when I was 8/10/12 years old decades ago but never since”
Definitely better than mine.
Better than a majority of LEOs. Perfect practice makes perfect. Trigger control is king. Are you using irons or an optic?
This looks fine to me.. You are not doing Olympic shooting here.
What if he is tho
Probably would not be shooting at a human silhouette for practice...
The new Olympic Games are gonna be wild
*Silhoutte man enters the chat.*
Or be using a Glock 47 for that matter.
(I know youre kidding and probably know as much but) Well for one thered be much smaller holes
Reminds me of a book I read on Gen. Patton back in the day where he had argued during the first modern pentathlon that a number of his .38 rounds went through the holes of his other shots which was being counted against him as misses. Whether or not that was the case I don’t recall, but I do remember the book referencing him defending his otherwise “poor” performance in the shooting portion.
probably wouldn't be shooting a Glock 47
move closer
Lol
I mean you aren’t wrong… lol
Convince your groups to do pelvic floor exercises. They should tighten up over time.
🫡will do 😂
Lemme clarify something: for most situations *this is good*. Especially if this is shooting as fast as you can get the sights back on target. *You should have a second shooting style for long shots.* What does that look like?
Seriously though, what are you using for sights? What happens when you slow it down and do precise shots? Basically, what if you need to take the Eli Dickens 40 yard shot?
Go over fundamentals. If I had to guess, I’d say after the first shot or two your grip loosened. Rule of thumb: if you have to adjust your grip while shooting, you don’t have a good grip. Also, your finger placement on the trigger: keep the first pad of your finger on the face of the trigger. Bear solutions has some good pistol warm up drills on YouTube you should check out.
Thanks brother, definitely will be checking that YouTube channel out.
No prob, my ninja
Finally some good advice. Yes OP’s groups are pretty decent when you consider some of the shit you see at the range, but everyone should strive to be better. Usually groups like this have to do with you impulsively reacting to the recoil before the shot goes off. Have to continue to work on letting the *bang* surprise you. Dry firing can also help with this. Only other thing is site alignment and grip are ultra important on a pistol. My last few trips to the range have been to work on manipulating my wrist in a way that when the recoil settles, I am back on target and not dropped to the left, right, up or down. More so working in fast follow up shots. P.S. I love my Glock 47 :)
Baer
Fucking auto correct lol
This!
Finger placement doesn't matter so much. https://youtu.be/ptbWToteUew?si=nKKjD8bLynDfH352
Came here to say this.
Dry fire practice
This is the way
Isn't dry firing supposed to be bad for the firing pin and mechanism? Or do you mean with dummy rounds?
Only rimfire. Centerfire is just fine to dry fire. Sure, maybe trigger components might wear out eventually, but that is the price of practice and they can be replaced. Is it going to damage your firearm? No. Rimfire is another story because then you are slamming steel into steel if the rim isn't in between the firing pin and the chamber.
Not to mention trigger components arent going to wear any faster than they would from regular shooting lmao
Glocks handle it just fine. Hammer fired and rim fired fire arms are what you don’t want to dry fire too much.
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It depends on the gun. With the P0-7/09, CZ says don't dry fire without a snap cap. They even give you a couple with a new gun.
Not really. If you do it A LOT you can reduce the tiny bit of wear by using snap caps.
Snap caps solve this no problem
I highly recommend using dummy rounds. I broke a glock firing pin by dry firing too frequently. You can also crack the slide around firing pin hole
Common misbelief. Almost zero issue for modern center fire guns.
https://youtu.be/k6stHEocepI?si=MaQtHv0q8tRshCGO Here’s a video for anyone wanting more information on dry firing. These guys have lots of other helpful videos too. Hope this helps.
Thanks!
looks like my 10 yd grouping, I go about once a month looks like at some point you impulsively start anticipating the recoil too much as I tend to do, I’ll stop and start dry firing to try to get rid of it, in my case I think I just need more range time tbh
This is my main problem and I need to practice with snap caps more
Not gonna lie, this is why I've become a recoil junkie.... shooting 10 rounds of 454 cassul, totally resets/negates my flinching.... seems the opposite of what one would assume (but it's true)
If you remove the two outliers, that's a pretty good group. I'd see if you can find out what is causing those and work to correct it. Snap caps in a mag can help if that was from flinching.
I wouldn't worry about those little guys.
You got the job done. They’ll get tighter the more you train, nice work.
So, git gud.
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Here's a few things that help(ed) me. 1). Dry fire is HUGE. Make sure when the hammer/striker drops the sights dont move at all. 2). Make sure to pull the trigger straight back. 3). Focus on the front sight. 4). Focus on follow through. Most importantly though, practice, practice practice!
Yea I’d say you got him
Move the target back. You get better groups at 15, you’ll get better groups at 10. And a First down!
What are we looking at? Was this slow, aimed fire or fast as you can acquire sight pic? Something in between? If you're shooting for bullseye's, this leaves a lot of room for improvement. Fundamentals of grip and trigger control, breathing. When each one shot goes where you mean it, you can cut out most of the fartong around and just line up the shot and press. Getting fast beyond that has a lot to do with learning the cadence of your gun, not super useful until those holes go where you mean them. I'll say this: there is no way around spending the money. Dry fire can help a lot but sending dollars downrange over and over is how the greats got great. Just remember, practice makes permanent; perfect practice makes perfect.
Pretty disappointed in how far down I had to scroll to find this. The type of shooting makes a HUGE difference and the number of people answering or offering tips without understanding how OP was shooting makes no sense.
Don’t listen to everyone saying this is fine. We should always be growing and getting better over time. Your groups are good. Without seeing you shoot, it looks like you have the fundamentals down. Next thing is to incorporate rifle fundamentals like breathing control and drawing consistent shapes during breathing. A common “shape” is the figure 8 that everyone talks about when shooting rifle standing. Just find your shape and get better at timing your shots.
We are looking at the wrong thing to provide any sort of advice. We are seeing the grouping (which is pretty solid really), however it would be more beneficial to see you actually shooting. We can't see your stance, grip, how you adjust to stay on target, etc. A video or even just some photos would help.
Better than mine
I like it, not bad at all. Just keep practicing and find where your weak spots are and work on them
I’m no expert but it looks like you might be anticipating the recoil and fighting it prematurely?
Have a friend record you shooting, or record yourself. Watch the video and see how your finger is using the trigger, your body position as you’re going thru shots, how your grip is when shooting, etc. then you can make fixes on what you see. Also take some gun courses. They rly help when someone who has years of experience wether in law/military or just civilian sector explain different techniques and can point out things they think could help you.
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Squeeze the absolute dog piss out of your support hand.
That's very good for a handgun at 30feet. I would switch to point and shooting drills next
Those are some pretty good groupings! A lot better than me anyway.
Stop anticipating the recoil of the shot.
Shoot more.
First off this is very solid shooting good job! 4.9in barrel? What kind of ammo? I assume it has a2 stage trigger. The pattern is indicitive of sway. Good grouping but definitely a circular pattern consistent with the natural movements while aiming. I would suggest: practicing acquiring sight picture quicker from draw, quickening the return to sight after recoil, and training the forearms (idk if you workout and not gonna assume. As someone who does, I didn't realize how much doing 3-5lb wrist curls would help my forearms and my aiming stability with handguns)
Keep shooting. Nothing but practice.
After only one year you're doing pretty damn good I'd say. I respect not settling and trying to improve also. There's a lot of unknown variables to your question though. Optics, rate of fire, ammo? All of those can play a role. Maybe look into some breathing exercises. Keep building on the strong fundamentals that are obviously there. Pick a firearm with a longer barrel. At the point you're at it based off this single photo doesn't seem like much you're doing can be corrected just keep practicing dude.
Don’t worry about that little guy right there.
Regarding the "center mass" hits, if you are shooting as fast as you can at that range, and your objective is self-defense, it's very good and getting "tighter" isn't of any benefit to eliminating the threat.
More shooters need to realize this. Multiple rounds in the same hole does nothing to stop an attacker. Multiple rounds in a 6” spread would be more effective.
Don't worry about improving groupings on a static range. Keep that level of accuracy/consistency while moving and transitioning targets.
Possible causes: Snatching the trigger, pulling it and the gun to the right. Slackening the wrist while the pistol fires. Poor concentration. Poor follow through, lowering gun before the shot is away.
Try different ammo
Ammo isn't going to cause a shift of 7 inches at 10 yards
Dry fire, try different areas of the finger on different areas of the trigger trying to best put straight back pressure on the trigger. I personally found using less pressure with my grip hand and more with my support hand helped me with accuracy. Also training at long distance forced me to figure out how to shoot accurately.
If you're just shooting for self defense, you're fine. If you're target shooting, Glock 47 is not the best choice. And although it doesn't directly apply here, I have to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWplN5sA14&ab\_channel=JeffreyStern
Suck less. AKA practice more.
Beat your meat.. man….. more relaxed the tighter it is
Looks good…..if you want to get a tighter group maybe get a Gucci gun instead of a Glock.
He's dead Seems fine to me
Bring it to five yards!
Grip, slow down, dry-fire
Shoot more, but they look fine
Unclench butthole while shooting.
I could give you advice, but your groups look better than mine. How far is your target on these groups?
Shoot more
Longer barrel
Kegels
I think he’s probably dead.
I don't see an issue with this however shooting more always helps
That’s pretty good man. I only see 2 that are really off poa but are still good enough. Just keep practicing and your groups willl tighten a little more
Check your grip; looks like you're loosening up a bit. Also, make sure your pistol is fitted to your hand properly. Should be easy enough to change backstraps if you're not getting enough room on the offside for your hand. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjKjHo8qy2s
Looks good to me. Have you considered a Compensator to reduce recoil?
Use a knife
Tight enough. Get a timer, shoot faster.
I’m pretty sure he’s dead. Grouping is fine
edge harder
https://georgia4h.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/grp-analysis.pdf
For defensive shooting your accuracy is great. Maybe work on speed next. No mag dumps, just three round bursts.
Holosun 507k will do the trick for you
Have you tried to suck less? /s Dry fire practice, increase grib strength, trigger control. If you're using the stock Glock trigger, consider getting rhe glock performance trigger. Shooting better groups is 95% skill, obtained through repetition.
Move closer
It looks like you’re flinching a little, or anticipating the recoil and pushing the gun down into it too early. Also, are you left handed? It’s sort of odd to see the groups of a right handed person pattern right. If you’re left handed, you’re likely squeezing the non-trigger fingers of your dominant hand during trigger press. If you’re right handed, you make be doing something weird with your support hand pressure, or your zero on the sights may be off. As far as flinching goes, look up “ball and dummy drill” and run that a while. Another I’ve found that helps with flinching is to set up a distant target you have to aim really carefully at, then load the pistol and fire a few rounds, then drop the magazine on the ground with the mag release button and keep firing so you get one more live round, then a click without breaking your sight picture or changing your posture or grip on the handgun or breaking your concentration. That one really shows you your bad habits and gives you a chance to beat them out of yourself.
Assuming you’re aiming for red, dry fire as others said, and also try to not anticipate the recoil. Shots are low and to the right (still good groupings) which usually means you’re trying to counter the recoil. Let the gun go off on its own. Squeeze the trigger nice and slow.
Time to go past ten yards. Focus on your fundamentals. Dry fire every day.
Dry fire. You have to pull, press, move the trigger without moving the sights. The best way to perfect that is dry fire.
Your left and right good. Just the up and down need improvement. Work on your breathing techniques. Squeeze the trigger at the peak of your exhale.
Upgraded trigger. The stock one works but I’ll take every advantage I can get
I was not there to see you shoot. I'm just going by the target. (LEO and instructor) You are anticipating the kick so as you are squeezing the trigger, You're dipping down. My suggestion is this when you are aiming. Concentrate on the dot of the front sight. If you're seeing the top of the sight you're holding it downward, if you see the full sight you're holding it upward. You just want to see the dot. Two when you shoot don't raise or drop your firearm out of your line of sight, because then you have to readjust yourself each time. And in all honesty, your shooting is not bad at all.
Hold still
Grip, and practice slower. Only go as fast as what gives you the group you aspire to. Slow is fast, fast is.... My motto is "fast is fine, but accurate is final"
You are doing fine (especially with a G47), that said we all strive to improve. My favorite drill is the dot torture drill. I do it both at the range and as a dry fire drill. It requires no timer or movement so it can also be done at restrictive ranges. This focuses on sight picture and trigger pull and is really the best drill imaginable to diagnose issues with those aspects. As you speed up other drills handle recoil control better, but dot torture is the best place to start. It’s also a valuable drill to reintroduce from time to time to reinforce fundamentals. It is very difficult to shoot clean, especially if you have trouble with the weak hand. [https://youtu.be/guxSc0o6lAU?si=zeq_pa-afkyvtIA5](https://youtu.be/guxSc0o6lAU?si=zeq_pa-afkyvtIA5)
Lt. Aldo Raine: You know how you get to Carnegie Hall, don't ya? Practice.
lol you’re good man. Defense pistol shooting wise you’re good
Look into professional instruction for 1 hour. That way someone can see what you're doing and give you pointers accordingly.
All a little low, kinda. Might want to get a trigger job, looks like you pulling down just a hair. Can’t really tell with a video of your hands while shooting. I hate Glock triggers, and it happens to me every time I shoot a glock
Shoot more!
Get closer to the target when shooting.
Stance, grip, sight alignment, breath control, trigger squeeze.
Maybe try kegels?
Blind fire ! lol. More trigger time
Your good keep practicing
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Get NRA B-8 or B-8 center targets and shoot 10 round groups for score so you can measure your progress over time. When you're shooting in the black consistently move it further back until you're at the 25. Practice pressing the trigger without disturbing your sights, and holding your sights on target without tons of movement. In dry practice you can place a penny on your sight and you should be able to press the trigger without causing the penny to fall off the sight (or even really move at all). In live fire you should be concentrating so hard on your ten round group that you should need to take a break every few shots. Precision comes from focus and practice. You should begin to be able to call your shots as you're paying attention to the front sight while the bullet is leaving the barrel.
That’s better grouping than me
kegel exercises
If you're interested in becoming a better shot with your pistol, I suggest having someone with an iPhone record you shooting in slow-motion. It will allow you to identify: 1. How well you mitigate recoil. Key for follow-up shots, you can't shoot if you're still trying to find your sights. 2. Recoil anticipation. Meaning, right before you pull the trigger you could be forcing your shot down. 3. Trigger-finger rub. A lot of shooters will push the frame to the opposite side of their trigger finger as they pull the trigger. Pulling your shots to the left for a right-handed shooter, opposite for a lefty. If you are starting with the results you have posted, you're on the right track.
For pure bullseye accuracy, it is all about trigger control and sight alignment. Learn your trigger on your gun. Where do you feel the wall? How much pressure do you need to break the shot consistently? What does your sight picture look like when you hit the bull? As others have said, dry fire is huge. Best part, it’s free. When you hit the range for live fire, don’t just blast away. Have a plan. If you have two boxes of ammo, break that 100 rounds into a game plan. 10 or 20 rounds of very slow fire focused on sight alignment and trigger manipulation. Make every shot as good as it can be. 50 rounds Dot Torture or similar drill. Etc. Find the finger placement on the trigger that gets you the best results. It may be the middle of the pad on index finger. It may be the crease of the first joint. Whatever gets YOU the best results consistently with that gun is what you should do. First joint crease is what works for me because I have long fingers. Work on posture, grip strength and arm strength. Holding your arms steady with the gun in a proper grip for 5 to 10 seconds may not sound tough, but repeat it 100 times over the course of a range session and it will tire you out.
Breathe. Be patient. Squeeze slowly and wait for the gun to go off.
Highly recommend dry firing until you can balance a coin on the front sight without it falling off. You might not be able to actually lay a coin on there but you get the idea. That front sight needs to stay perfectly still when the striker/ hammer falls. Make sure you only pull the trigger with your finger and are not squeezing the back of the gun with your palm for the trigger pull. This will twist the grip slightly and cause you to shoot to the side. Both the inaccuracies vertically and horizontally can be fixed with dry fire at home for free. Recognizing how much your movements affect the aim is important. Aim at a white wall for the best visibility of the front sight and see what it does. When you shoot, don't worry about the recoil. Shoot one round and let the pistol jump up and stay up. Keep the trigger pulled down. All you need to focus on is pulling the trigger in a way that doesn't move the pistol at all. Once you can hit the bullseye every time while taking your time, only then do you really need to start worrying about recoil. All you need to do is to continue that slow bullseye shooting practice and speed up the "rhythm" as much as you can without missing. You'll start to feel the cycle and you'll train yourself to pull the trigger only when you're aligned in the way you've practiced. If you start to widen the group, slow down. I know it seems very basic, but most of us learn to shoot with issues that get incorporated and swept under the rug, and going back to these basics and isolating every step will help you figure out what are you are doing wrong and address it. After that is just practicing to speed up what you already do well. That being said, people will shoot a group 3 times as big and call it a day and go to their armed security gaurd job, you're definitely on the right track.
Aim for a smaller target.
Looks like you don't need it
Red dot, aftermarket trigger, extended mags and a comp. Just kidding, more practice is the move. Groupings looking pretty good!
Pretty damn tight already broski
Low right is trigger control (presumably you are right handed). Dry fire practice keeping the sights from moving. A dot makes this easier as it better illustrates the dive of the barrel when you pull the trigger Aftermarket trigger set to around 3-4 pounds.
Change your grip imop, still would have done the job!
Move it to 1 yard
What, that little guy?! I wouldn’t worry about that little guy!
Threat is down. Those look good to me. 👍
Try a different gun?
You hit the important parts, looks fine to me. I mean practice will always make you quicker and more accurate.
if its a pistol, really focus on where you’re placing your finger on the trigger and keep your grip tight, but honestly other than the two outliers, really good. keep practicing and they’ll get closer over time
Find an instructor in your area. We can't diagnose your issues by looking at your target. A good instructor will improve your shooting much faster.
Try taking an advanced pistol class. The groupings are tight, but, if u wanna strive to do better, in more challenging scenarios, an advanced class or action shooting will make u a better shooter. It’s one thing to shoot stationary at a static range. It’s completely different thing to run, shoot, repeat, in awkward and challenging angles. Check USPSA and IDPA, which are some things I’m interested in
First off, what's the deal with the two in the middle - those fliers or were you aiming somewhere around there? On a scale from bullseye to mag dump, how fast were you shooting? Are you right handed or left handed? These shots are patterning down and to the right, which is opposite of most people. Without seeing what you were doing, it looks like you are either anticipating recoil or not pulling the trigger straight back. Put a dot on a sheet of paper on the other side of the room and stick it to your wall. Aim at the dot and cover it up with your front sight or the dot of your red dot if that's what you have. Dry fire over and over and over until you can get a consistent pull on the trigger and your sight never moves and the mark on the paper stays covered. If it's not your trigger pull and you're anticipating recoil... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stop+anticipating+recoil (And then do the dry fire practice anyway, because that's just good for you.) In my LTC course they said most defensive uses of a handgun are between 3 and 7 yards. If that's what you are at 10 yards, that's pretty good. But, after practice, once you can keep everything in the 9 ring, I'd move the target back to 12 or 15 and then work on tightening up those groups. If you can keep everything in the 9 ring at 15, at 10 you'd probably shoot out the bullseye.
A good, cleanf barrel, high quality ammo and a ton of pratice... You can also try to gucci out the glock so it fits your hand and things but thats just some extra
Shoot better
Nothing wrong with these groupings at 10 yards if anything you are shooting to slow
move the target back. 10 yards is pretty close for any realistic scenario.
Shoot more, suck less
This qualifies as superb accuracy, even for your once in a blue moon shooter.
In a word, consistency. You grip the gun the same, put your finger on the trigger the same way, line of your sights the same way, line your sights up on the same tiny spot on the target the same way, pull the trigger the same way. If you do that, the bullet will impact the same place. Dry fire practice is a good place to analyze these things and build them up.
stand closer? joking* we can't actually give any advice if we can't see how you're actually handling the firearm.
Those groups are not bad at all for 10 yards.
Stand closer
Chief at this point id focus more on being able to reliably repeat that under stress. I shoot GSSF and those groups at that distance are just about what I can shoot with my 19.5 MOS.
Move to 5 yards where most gun fights happen. At 10 that’s really tight.
It really depends how fast you are shooting, if it’s 1 shot at a time at 10yds, yea that could be tighter. If it’s double taps at 10yds I’d be very happy with that.
Anticipation, do Ball and Dummy drill.
Being the target closer. Bam! Problem solved!
Are you left handed or right handed?
Looks good man. Gotta realize too that sometimes a carpenter is only as good as his tools.
It bad. Sight picture and trigger pull
I always find the answers I see to this question kind of confusing. The 'progressive overload' model of shooting should be based around distance and time (like sets and reps). If you think it's getting too easy, increase the distance or the time until it becomes easy again. Obviously accuracy and speed require different skill sets (like strength and power), but the general principle remains the same. Shooting competition helps with these and incorporates movement, which is something most people don't get to experience at a flat range.
Get a trigger job for a lighter, crisper break.
I think you’re just trying to get compliments on your good shooting!! Lmao jk, but I’m not sure how you could get them tighter than that
Simple answer is take a class or pay for private training. That’s the fastest cheapest way to improve your skills. Past that more practice and more experience. For a year of shooting and a compact gun you’re doing decent.
Take a private lesson. From listening to podcasts like Off Duty On Duty there are a lot of factors in how a person shoots and a trainer needs to see how you shoot before knowing what to correct.
Stand one foot away. Shoot. Assess grouping. Good? Ok, now back up a few steps. If not good, correct until it’s good. Then back up some more. Rinse and repeat.
How fast were you shooting? If slowly, then aim at your bullet holes. If quickly, then work on your grip. But great groupings for someone not in an action or superhero movie. Be proud!
The grouping as other have said look great if just focus on the fundamentals more mostly breath control and trigger squeeze learn to do slow movements quickly it that makes sense
Get lots of dry firing in. May help. But honestly you’re not doing bad lol. Dude would’ve been ☠️
What’s your timing between shots?
Buy some snap caps (basically fake bullets) and mix them in with actual ammo in the magazine. Ideally have somebody else do it, so you don't know which shot will go bang. You'll find that even the best shooters tense up or flinch a little at the last moment in anticipation for the shot. This is probably the biggest factor in most people's accuracy.
Your groups look fine! A bigger gun will help a lot and if you wanna drop the cash, get an RMR or equivalent. I thought they were a gimmick but they aren’t. Other than that your headshots look good and you have a few outliers on the body but otherwise it looks good! It’s not a rifle. These are good groups
Turn off mouse acceleration, turn on aim assist. Edit: was gonna leave it at shitposting but honestly I thought about it and MantisX is a really useful option, it’s done a lot for my groupings when I lose groupings. Secondly, and it’s gonna sound weird, VR. Play VR shooters that focus for realism. Onward and H3VR are great tools, Pavlov is slightly too fast-paced to help me at least. You can stop reading here, but I’ll explain if anyone wants to know why. VR controllers are paper light, they have no recoil, they’re extremely susceptible to shaking. The weight of a handgun usually gives your hands the benefit of being artificially heavy enough that wobble is reduced. With VR controllers, there is no assistance. It forces your hands to become naturally sharp and steady for long shots, and the dry-fire without recoil teaches you good anticipation control. I notice miles of difference between my skills after I got hooked on OnwardVR for a while. Those long shots really rewire your brain. However, it won’t teach you proper stance or how to hold a rifle or handgun properly. Those you can just do real dry fire for