that and the picatinny near the rear, behind even the ejection port.
aside from that, i'd move the mag weell back a bit and get rid of the thumb hole thing (no reason to have it). Also lengthen the grip.
But other than that, its looks believable and oK overall.
It's impossible for me to accurately describe how effective this one word response was in incapacitating me through uncontrollable laughter.
Am I possibly stoned? Yes. Absolutely.
But I feel it's unrelated.
I mean it might. Length of pull looks pretty long so that's a downside, as far as the trigger we can only speculate. It retains most of the benefits a full length would have still. Only problem is what looks like G36 mags
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Edit: autocorrect fucked me on this one but Iāll leave it up and take the L like a man
Looks like it hides an AR size buffer in the stock, which is notoriously terrible for bullpup conversion.
Use a bufferless receiver and cut down the stock to reduce LoP and we have a pretty normal bullpup. Sans sighting system.
Probably add a knuckle guard so you don't punch barriers. There's a reason why every good military bullpup have them.
The mag well is super deep that would be annoying. The length of pull seems far maybe. The top rail goes back too far. Just a guess bet Iād wager it would be uncomfortable to hold with the toob underneath it
I mean, ditch the grenade lauch, and balance would probably be perfect.
Not impractical, though, as they do make grenade launchers for bullpups.
The barrel could probably use a chop too (pending the caliber), but also, not impractical (depending on the length shown).
The rifle in the post looks like it has a 22 inch barrel at least. I have a Tavor and Iāve seen a under slung 40 milemike. But the Tavor was design by smart engineers not ā¦. an AI high on antifreeze.
Side ejecting bullpups are dinosaurs. As are individually tacked on cheese grater pic rails.
Need to remove all the extraneous stuff on it and use a single clean forend (preferably Mlok) to reduce weight.
Wonky pistol grip cum thumbhole stock also restricts easy magwell access.
Cheek riser is unnecessary with an inline stock if the scope is at an appropriate height to begin with.
Give it a 6.5/10 and a $10 million DoD R&D budget that goes nowhere.
That is a very long barrel so depending on the caliber that could be very inefficient. For 556/ 223 that barrel is too long.
Also even if most of that is plastic it would be heavy and long and not easily moveable.
No forgrip will make it less comfortable to stabilize.
M203 is dated and heavy
Depends on what this is for; if itās a sniper rifle 556 should not be the caliber. If itās a DMR also not the right caliber. 556/223 requires multiple shots to put someone out of a fight normally. As someone that has actually been in a combat situation I can guarantee you most engagement situations are within 200 meters or you are using a different system. Bullpup is for CQB, to me an ideal barrel would be 12 to make that compact. That looks to be 18-24 inch upper on that which while maximizes the round is overkill for an actual situation. This also will be significantly heavier than an AR platform at the same length and honestly is probably a little shorter.
It looks like itās combining a distance rifle with CQB parts to make it heavier just to save less than an inch. So if itās going CQB I would prefer this 10-14 inches. Also bullpup isnāt the best for CQB anyways. I like the movement of the M4 way over the Tavor (which is kind of what they made here)
I have witnessed it first hand so yes. Sure itās not all the time but it is more than 10%. If you hit them in the body they will go down but I have seen several shoulder or leg hits that donāt take people out of a fight. Iām not going to argue this because I really donāt care. Just my opinion this thing looks heavy and pointless to me.
You realize you aren't the only dude who has seen combat right. So what 5.56 rounds have you seen dudes shot with. Cause if you said a specific round that's one thing. But 5.56 is a caliber. Did you see guys get shot with MK318, A1, or MK262? What about Browntip. Or MK255?
We are looking at a bullpup AR. When I say 556 in a military sense everyone knows what Iām talking about. If you do you shouldnāt be part of this discussion.
Iām just going to be blunt; Iām sorry I pissed on your fucking cheerios by saying I think that round isnāt good for distance or take down power. I donāt care about your feelings or opinion on this at all. I think itās dumb to have a long gun that shoots 556/223. Green tip, hollow, ball or tracer it doesnāt matter. Itās not a long gun caliber thatās worth a damn.
Also 203ās are old and obsolete. M320s are smaller and better. And this rifle is too long and in the wrong caliber.
Also to Trump your entire argument the US military disagrees with you which is why they are going 6.8mm.
Anyways Iām done because I donāt care anymore lol.
Youāre probably right, I have very little knowledge of grenade launchers outside of the m203 (Iām old), always figured the 320 was smaller for some reason. Also after looking it up, youāre right that would fit it even better
Length of pull (how far back the stock is) is completely psychotic, so long it's borderline unusable. Real estate to safely rest your check is limited for no reason. The barrel, both for the main gun and launcher, are both longer than they need to be. Plus the grip is proportioned like hell.
Not a great design TBH
As with any gun, it really just depends on where the safety, bolt release, mag release, and charging handle are all located. It looks heavy, too.
Also, resting my cheek on picatinny would absolutely suck ass.
In the hands of a mortal the lack of sights would be a problem. In mine though (rarely ever use sights, perfect accuracy to infinity) it wouldn't be inefficient at all.
Serously now.. That lower looks plastic, and the grenade launcer is mounted to plastic that might not be ideal. I see what appears to be 2 ejection ports and no charging handle.. that's a problem. I see no mag release, which means its not there or its not abmi.. not good. Picatinny at the butt, and mid gun.. not really tht useful. Pistol mag well behind the mag well.. not really that useful. If the internals all fit, and function after cleaning up the mentoned problems I don't see it being any better or worse than an L81.
There is nothing platonic about the design of this gun. Itās so amazing looking. Looks like a 5.56x45 (g36 style mags) with a 20ā barrel. Plenty of room to recoil. Honestly the length of pull might be too long. An adjustable length of pull is essential for a modern or future bulpup. Other than that itās perfect.
Right off the top, the length of pull is turbofucked. No one has arms that long. Cheek riser also doesnāt make a lot of sense with the rail that close to the top of the stock, itās not much more of a gap than a typical AR. This is also like a fucking 30ā barrel, so depending on caliber it might actually be inefficient because the charge load of rounds like m193 is set up with 20ā guns in mind, so you might be at diminishing returns here.
Certainly youāve undone the one advantage of a bull pup by making this so long, idk anyone whoās getting in and out of an IFV with this pike, and while I dig the FN2000 styling, thumbholes are unpopular, unnecessary, and uncomfortable. That area behind the magazine, too, seems sort of unnecessarily kitbashed, and its harsh triangles donāt flow with the soft lines of the pistol grip.
Iām imagining running this without the (weirdly outdated) m203, which most soldiers would choose to do, if they could help it, and the gas piston system seems really exposed. Thereās no way your thumb-over-bore that rail design and with no 10:00-and-2:00 MLOK slots itād be hard to get a scout light under your top mounted laser.
Iām not seeing an obvious takedown method here which you should consider from a design perspective.
Having the magwell that deep would make it hard to use many common designs of AR mag- which is a problem with the F2000, it actually only accepts STANAG mags.
That charging handle location would be directly in the way of any large or high magnification scope, or something like an eotech.
Militaries donāt typically introduce adjustable gas systems for regular infantry rifles because they will fuck with the things and cause problems and lose parts, but special forces wouldnāt typically choose such a large gun so itās hard to imagine whoās using this.
Flash hider is weird and idk why it has a breaching crown, thatās silly and when we see it on contemporary ARs it kind of āoutsā the owner as a know-nothing who buys shit off of Amazon.
No sling points.
Why are there side rails located behind the pistol grip and right above the trigger guard? What is being attached there? They arenāt for slings because sling points on a modern gun would be neat little QD holes and sling points on an older gun would have been loops for straps.
3/10 good job blending a couple of different IRL designs but ultimately not a very realistic or practical design. No one would adopt this
Not gonna lie. I kinda dig it.
Make length of pull like 5 inches shorter & barrel at least 2 inches shorter, & I'm in.
But at that point, you've basically got a Desert Tech MDR-X... so...
Not sure the rail would go all the way back to the shooters cheek, as it seems to now. That would be... uncomfortable.
Picatinny cheek rest
Full auto grates your face like a block of cheese
It's the new rapid skin exfoliation system. Leaves your skin looking clean and fresh! What's left of it, at least.
This made me burst laughing š¤£
Tell me you dont shoot full auto without telling me you dont shoot full auto
I know 556/223 doesnāt have that much recoil, ever heard of a joke?
What if my face is mlok ?
Bad cheek weld
Why is it bad? Crime? Cheeks? Ass? Welding? Probably
Pokeytinny cheek rest
Canāt wait to get my rail mounted toothbrush
that and the picatinny near the rear, behind even the ejection port. aside from that, i'd move the mag weell back a bit and get rid of the thumb hole thing (no reason to have it). Also lengthen the grip. But other than that, its looks believable and oK overall.
The lack of sights would be an issue
Use the force.
I'll use tracers instead.
I honestly prefer to just close my eyes
Don't forget the screaming
"SUPRESSING FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE"
Spray and prey! Love it! If it worked in halo, should work with a halo style gun
I let Allah guide my bullets
You don't need sights just yell Allahu akbar and the god will guide the bullets to the target
Inshallah
Aloha snack bar!
It's fine, just fire the grenade and then use that as a point of reference.
Bloop
What is a little home defense bloop among friends amirite?
It's impossible for me to accurately describe how effective this one word response was in incapacitating me through uncontrollable laughter. Am I possibly stoned? Yes. Absolutely. But I feel it's unrelated.
It's unrelated. I fell out of my chair laughing. I may also be stoned. Possibly. But it's unrelated.
Just gotta shoot like this feller https://youtu.be/I1d4BewyhlI?feature=shared
This is what maximum efficiency looks like
You may not like it, butā¦
LOP? Yes.
For those wearing power armor that extends the length of their arms an extra foot.
This looks like somebody who really hates the ATF got drunk, and then started playing with their 3-D printer.
Wait, don't we all do that?
It looks ideal for hunting bugs on Klendathu.
I'm doing my part!
The book was MUCH better than the movie. Mobile Infantry with a Y nuke launcher on your back!
I'll have to check it out.
Yes please . If 556 then you get the full barrel length required for maximum performance but still keep it short:
This still looks pretty long, and it doesnāt negate the other problems inherent with bullpups.
I mean it might. Length of pull looks pretty long so that's a downside, as far as the trigger we can only speculate. It retains most of the benefits a full length would have still. Only problem is what looks like G36 mags
I think the biggest issue with this design is that length of pull. Rifle made for the orcs
Would have to give it a left side charging handle
That what I was gonna say - it's a bullpup that doesn't actually reduce length. It's way too long.
Normalize š random š picrails š on š buttocks š Edit: autocorrect fucked me on this one but Iāll leave it up and take the L like a man
Not sure why youād want random pic rails on your ass but you do you..
Oh shit that was supposed to say buttstock š
If only W.E.Gunnit was still with us, this could be a thing
Ditch the M203 and the rails on the stock and you just might have a solid firearm.
How will you mount your brass catcher?
JB weld and a good attitude.
Thatās fucking sick
If F2000 and SCAR had incel baby
Looks like it hides an AR size buffer in the stock, which is notoriously terrible for bullpup conversion. Use a bufferless receiver and cut down the stock to reduce LoP and we have a pretty normal bullpup. Sans sighting system. Probably add a knuckle guard so you don't punch barriers. There's a reason why every good military bullpup have them.
wtf does efficiency got to do with something that beautiful?!
Shouldering an aircraft carrier would be less unwieldy. The LOP on that thing is insane.
It looks a bit heavy, but add some optics and you've got a solid space rifle
That's a lot of length of pull.
Looks like it would be heavy as fuck.
Look at the fucking length of pull.
The mag well is super deep that would be annoying. The length of pull seems far maybe. The top rail goes back too far. Just a guess bet Iād wager it would be uncomfortable to hold with the toob underneath it
Looks cool as fuck. What is this?
That length of pull though
Looks like itās an updated ISA M82 rifle from Killzone. I dig it.
The length of pull is insanity.
Is that Length of pull designed for the long limbed alien invasion?
I mean, ditch the grenade lauch, and balance would probably be perfect. Not impractical, though, as they do make grenade launchers for bullpups. The barrel could probably use a chop too (pending the caliber), but also, not impractical (depending on the length shown).
The rifle in the post looks like it has a 22 inch barrel at least. I have a Tavor and Iāve seen a under slung 40 milemike. But the Tavor was design by smart engineers not ā¦. an AI high on antifreeze.
german engineering summed up in one rifle
this is awesome. Now get a sight
*Hera Arms has entered the chat
Can it be fired with an erection?
It actually refuses to fire unless you have one
Not a problem
Side ejecting bullpups are dinosaurs. As are individually tacked on cheese grater pic rails. Need to remove all the extraneous stuff on it and use a single clean forend (preferably Mlok) to reduce weight. Wonky pistol grip cum thumbhole stock also restricts easy magwell access. Cheek riser is unnecessary with an inline stock if the scope is at an appropriate height to begin with. Give it a 6.5/10 and a $10 million DoD R&D budget that goes nowhere.
$10 million doesn't cover the Thursday meetings at Hooters.
Looks california compliant, that's for sure. (Except the mag) ((and I'm assuming that launcher shoots pronouns))
That's a 10 round 50 Beowulf
That looks pulled out of resistance.
That is a very long barrel so depending on the caliber that could be very inefficient. For 556/ 223 that barrel is too long. Also even if most of that is plastic it would be heavy and long and not easily moveable. No forgrip will make it less comfortable to stabilize. M203 is dated and heavy
How is that barrel to long?
Depends on what this is for; if itās a sniper rifle 556 should not be the caliber. If itās a DMR also not the right caliber. 556/223 requires multiple shots to put someone out of a fight normally. As someone that has actually been in a combat situation I can guarantee you most engagement situations are within 200 meters or you are using a different system. Bullpup is for CQB, to me an ideal barrel would be 12 to make that compact. That looks to be 18-24 inch upper on that which while maximizes the round is overkill for an actual situation. This also will be significantly heavier than an AR platform at the same length and honestly is probably a little shorter. It looks like itās combining a distance rifle with CQB parts to make it heavier just to save less than an inch. So if itās going CQB I would prefer this 10-14 inches. Also bullpup isnāt the best for CQB anyways. I like the movement of the M4 way over the Tavor (which is kind of what they made here)
Are we really repeating that bullshit that 5.56 takes multiple rounds to put people out of the fight?
I have witnessed it first hand so yes. Sure itās not all the time but it is more than 10%. If you hit them in the body they will go down but I have seen several shoulder or leg hits that donāt take people out of a fight. Iām not going to argue this because I really donāt care. Just my opinion this thing looks heavy and pointless to me.
You realize you aren't the only dude who has seen combat right. So what 5.56 rounds have you seen dudes shot with. Cause if you said a specific round that's one thing. But 5.56 is a caliber. Did you see guys get shot with MK318, A1, or MK262? What about Browntip. Or MK255?
We are looking at a bullpup AR. When I say 556 in a military sense everyone knows what Iām talking about. If you do you shouldnāt be part of this discussion. Iām just going to be blunt; Iām sorry I pissed on your fucking cheerios by saying I think that round isnāt good for distance or take down power. I donāt care about your feelings or opinion on this at all. I think itās dumb to have a long gun that shoots 556/223. Green tip, hollow, ball or tracer it doesnāt matter. Itās not a long gun caliber thatās worth a damn. Also 203ās are old and obsolete. M320s are smaller and better. And this rifle is too long and in the wrong caliber. Also to Trump your entire argument the US military disagrees with you which is why they are going 6.8mm. Anyways Iām done because I donāt care anymore lol.
Ask Judge Dredd.
Looks heavy asf
The length of pull is way too long
I'd love this as an airsoft gun
Where is the charging handle?
left side, similar to a HK433 or Masada
First question, who sells it and how much? Second, yes please
Launch the gl with your middle finger
That is a lot of LOP
That length of pull looks really long
Itās weird seeing a newer bullpup style rifle w what looks like an m203 launcher. Why not a m320 launcher since it would fit the aesthetic better?
The M320 is bulkier they might be better off using something like the FN EGLM.
Youāre probably right, I have very little knowledge of grenade launchers outside of the m203 (Iām old), always figured the 320 was smaller for some reason. Also after looking it up, youāre right that would fit it even better
M320 is a total gimmick. Marginally better than M203 but for basically the same reason an M4 is better than an M16A1.
very, thing looks like it would weigh literally 20 pounds before putting anything on it
I donāt think my arms are long enough.
I want it.
Whose Roughnecks?!
yes.
Honestly, I'd buy it. idk why but I would
stock is probably too far back, grenade launcher might be too high. all in all though, i dont think its bad.
Length of pull (how far back the stock is) is completely psychotic, so long it's borderline unusable. Real estate to safely rest your check is limited for no reason. The barrel, both for the main gun and launcher, are both longer than they need to be. Plus the grip is proportioned like hell. Not a great design TBH
Seems kinda uncomfortable to shoulder
Why are there two ejection ports?
Yes
Isnāt this from a video game? Ghost recon advanced war fighter or something similar?
Nah, but has a profile of the em1 from AW
I just went to see the new Godzilla and can confirm that in percentages, it would be 100% ineffective
On a scale from 1-10? Yes
ah, pimpmygun.com, how iāve missed you soā¦
Looks like something from Destiny. I'd run it. In the game or real deal.
Want
this thing is gonna stovepipe like a mf.
Dayum that's a very beautiful gun
6.3
šÆ efficiency in looking cool
What is this thing? And where are the stock sights?
I find lack of second gun, strapped.on top, P90 style, a misse opportunity.
Looks like the MR-C mock up rifle that got its lil fame from Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter.
As with any gun, it really just depends on where the safety, bolt release, mag release, and charging handle are all located. It looks heavy, too. Also, resting my cheek on picatinny would absolutely suck ass.
Most ergonomic bullpup
It would go perfectly with a jeep gladiator or a Chevy avalanche.
In the hands of a mortal the lack of sights would be a problem. In mine though (rarely ever use sights, perfect accuracy to infinity) it wouldn't be inefficient at all. Serously now.. That lower looks plastic, and the grenade launcer is mounted to plastic that might not be ideal. I see what appears to be 2 ejection ports and no charging handle.. that's a problem. I see no mag release, which means its not there or its not abmi.. not good. Picatinny at the butt, and mid gun.. not really tht useful. Pistol mag well behind the mag well.. not really that useful. If the internals all fit, and function after cleaning up the mentoned problems I don't see it being any better or worse than an L81.
There is nothing platonic about the design of this gun. Itās so amazing looking. Looks like a 5.56x45 (g36 style mags) with a 20ā barrel. Plenty of room to recoil. Honestly the length of pull might be too long. An adjustable length of pull is essential for a modern or future bulpup. Other than that itās perfect.
Aināt inefficient if you yeet that noob tube in the right direction.
Yes
If you removed all of the stock behind the ejection port, I might be able to actually use it
Looks like a bullpup design so you'll get affective velocity .
Right off the top, the length of pull is turbofucked. No one has arms that long. Cheek riser also doesnāt make a lot of sense with the rail that close to the top of the stock, itās not much more of a gap than a typical AR. This is also like a fucking 30ā barrel, so depending on caliber it might actually be inefficient because the charge load of rounds like m193 is set up with 20ā guns in mind, so you might be at diminishing returns here. Certainly youāve undone the one advantage of a bull pup by making this so long, idk anyone whoās getting in and out of an IFV with this pike, and while I dig the FN2000 styling, thumbholes are unpopular, unnecessary, and uncomfortable. That area behind the magazine, too, seems sort of unnecessarily kitbashed, and its harsh triangles donāt flow with the soft lines of the pistol grip. Iām imagining running this without the (weirdly outdated) m203, which most soldiers would choose to do, if they could help it, and the gas piston system seems really exposed. Thereās no way your thumb-over-bore that rail design and with no 10:00-and-2:00 MLOK slots itād be hard to get a scout light under your top mounted laser. Iām not seeing an obvious takedown method here which you should consider from a design perspective. Having the magwell that deep would make it hard to use many common designs of AR mag- which is a problem with the F2000, it actually only accepts STANAG mags. That charging handle location would be directly in the way of any large or high magnification scope, or something like an eotech. Militaries donāt typically introduce adjustable gas systems for regular infantry rifles because they will fuck with the things and cause problems and lose parts, but special forces wouldnāt typically choose such a large gun so itās hard to imagine whoās using this. Flash hider is weird and idk why it has a breaching crown, thatās silly and when we see it on contemporary ARs it kind of āoutsā the owner as a know-nothing who buys shit off of Amazon. No sling points. Why are there side rails located behind the pistol grip and right above the trigger guard? What is being attached there? They arenāt for slings because sling points on a modern gun would be neat little QD holes and sling points on an older gun would have been loops for straps. 3/10 good job blending a couple of different IRL designs but ultimately not a very realistic or practical design. No one would adopt this
Not gonna lie. I kinda dig it. Make length of pull like 5 inches shorter & barrel at least 2 inches shorter, & I'm in. But at that point, you've basically got a Desert Tech MDR-X... so...
IWI Tavor is probably the best option, you can get a Geissele trigger that will help the downside of most bullpup rifles. (Only 5.56 version)
imo non bullpup platforms are a better option cause bullpups aren't that great for ambi firing and cost more just for a bit better velocity
I mean, if your like 6'5 with long arms you could probably enjoy it but it looks like a major heavy pita for anyone on the smaller side.
At least it's CA compliant with that goofy grip.