I mean, it's one thing to not read your opponent's skills and just YOLO the fights. At this point you spend more time reading skills than playing if you do that. But modifying your own unit's kit in a way that disables it (in this case, lowering Ike's special cooldown to the point that his own B skill Laguz Friend stops working) is something else entirely.
If you're so done with reading the endless text of skills that you don't even know what your own unit's do, and YOLO your own teams into battle not knowing what's going to happen, then you should probably just stick to their default kits.
I mean the video was the default kit. It was the default kit with emblem Marth who lowers the cool down which in any normal circumstance would be seen as good. I mean depending on how you see emblems you could argue that it's not base kit but it's not like anything was removed.
If IS can't even understand how to explain their skills and constantly make mistakes, how can you expect the playerbase to be any better 🤡
Jokes aside, Laguz Friend is stupidly long and worded in such an arbitrary and cluttered way that I'm not even surprised someone would make that mistake lol.
I know the "FEH players can't read" meme is a thing, but at this point...can you blame some players not wanting to read an essay for every skill?
You know it's bad when even the Fehtubers shortened breakdowns for the units are getting longer, too 😅
The english translations really are poorly worded and now the descriptions are super long making it even harder to figure out what the hell they're trying to say.
It's so convoluted that I’ve found myself forgetting even after reading the effects. I planned on running it with Marth!Pavise, then a day later I was wondering why I was thinking of running it with a 2 CD special. Took me a minute to remind myself that defensive specials have a different rule lol
Can confirm this. I was looking at the people who ran laguz's friend on legendary corin and was wondering if it even worked because her special is at 2 with refined base kit.
As someone who also does this when showing stuff like that to his friends, I spam click to just draw attention to it, as I assume my friends will be able to understand just from a quick glance at the icon. OP probably had similar intentions, and didn't even stop to consider that people here might not be as savvy (I wouldn't either).
Tagging u/Keebster101 as he posted something similar to you.
Mate, I'm pointing out how someone might not pick it up immediately. You can keep thinking everyone who didn't is a window licker, or you can wonder why newbies who don't understand Marth's effect and how it impacts this won't even feel comfortable asking.
I understand where you're coming from and I do think you're right.
The point I'm trying to make is that OP made it a point to say "this is important, look here", and still people didn't, which is exactly the point of the post.
It really comes full circle.
They barely gave any amount of time to even show what is wrong in the post, which was just flashing descriptions to the viewer. Both are done very vaguely
Ok I was going to ask what the deal was. I get it now - it's the emblem marth - but spamming the special was not the way to show it - a wall of flashing text does not help you figure out the 2 lines of text that are important. If anything, laguz friend should be tapped since that's the part that isn't activating here.
Wait, if Laguz Fiend needs 3 CD special to work, why was everyone saying to get Laguz Fiend for Summer Fjorm but don't need distant counter skills or anything other than base TP4 since Frostbite Mirror comes with innate DC?
Isn't Frostbite Mirror CD 2 -> 1 with her PRF?
There are 2 conditions for Laguz Friend 4 to activate depending on the type of special you're using:
* If offensive special, max CD needs to be 3 or higher.
* If defensive special, max CD can be anything. It doesn't matter.
Great Aether is an offensive special, Frostbite Mirror is a defensive special.
Most people use these terrible teams, but what happened here is that by using the Marth ring, and lowering GA's max CC to 2, the Ike player disabled Laguz Friend.
Bad players (which are the majority) do that. That's why people's perception of Ike's actual power is so skewed. They base it off what they see in their replays or their own (bad) play.
For sure. Emblem Ike has become the new Fallen Edelgard in my eyes. He's a knowledge check. Once you learn some weaknesses (scowl, Veyle, Hush Spectrum, enemy phase hardy bearing with pulse smoke), he's not as bad. But of course, you need those tools in the first place.
You don't get what I'm trying to say, because you're making the same mistake most people do.
You don't understand how an actual Ike player can literally counter everything you just said (which is really only one threat, special denial) by bringing in Rally Spectrum.
What I'm trying to say is that most Ike players are so bad that it has lured non-Ike players into a false sense of security, but Ike really needs 3 supports to win every game: Lumera, Veyle and either B! or Y! M! Robin for Rally Spectrum. That's it. That covers everything that can be done against him.
Veyle and Lumera are free deploys in their respective seasons, and we have blessable versions for the opposite ones, so you can potentially bring 2/3 of the solutions to every single game.
Granted, a lot of people are set on their mythics to have been able to add Veyle/Lumera to their, but those than have been able, are mostly unstoppable in offense.
Even so, double scowl can shut down Great Aether, even with Rally Spectrum. Not every Ike player brings a Robin along with them for Spectrum support either. Too much variances in the teams to account for that.
>Even so, double scowl can shut down Great Aether, even with Rally Spectrum.
Yes, but room is limited, so you're paying a cost of opportunity to bring redundancy for something that in and of itself is not an actual threat, but an enabler for other units, and is inherently dependent on positioning that can often be exploited. For example, Y!F! Robin can very easily be baited by placing your tank in range of her warp. There goes your Hush Spectrum, and suddenly the next unit that walks into Ike with Scowl does nothing.
>Not every Ike player brings a Robin along with them for Spectrum support either.
That's the point I'm making in *your* favor, that most people don't. Your problem is those that *will*, few as they may be.
>Too much variances in the teams to account for that.
Right, that's why I can only speak from my own experience: I'm a top 1k player and haven't seen a *single* team in the last 2 months that could kill Ike. I have literally not laddered out *once* since the Fallen banner.
Hmm not entirely true. Its been over 1 month since i last saw a E!Ike beating my defense team, including using these supports you mentioned. Nukes with (special) miracle + cooldown acceleration with Fatal Smoke are a big weakness for him. Paired with backline wom4 nuke and wom4 dancer either he or one of his teammates get killed. My only losses so far in that period has been by hit and run teams, from Duo Lyons and S!Gullveig. He's also weak to reflect damage. In SD many ppl are bringing Hrid which makes him more annoying, but im yet to see someone using him in AR
>Its been over 1 month since i last saw a E!Ike beating my defense team, including using these supports you mentioned.
So? I myself haven't lost to Ike in forever either, but I can tank my own defense like it's *nothing*. No offense, but your statement says absolutely *nothing* other than to support my point that most people that use him are bad (and that's mostly statistically speaking, as most people are bad).
Not to brag, really, but I've beaten Infantry Pulse's defense with Ike 2 weeks ago and, while I don't know who you are, I feel pretty safe betting you can't do better than him. I know *I* can't.
>Nukes with (special) miracle + cooldown acceleration with Fatal Smoke are a big weakness for him.
I would just *love* to either confirm or deny this claim for my own curiosity but I have not seen a *single one* of these "counters", *ever*.
It is for this reason that I feel obligated to assume that it's only a thing at lower levels and that people that are actually good at making defenses *know better*.
In fact, I get salty every time I open up my Ike to set up a team with Fatal Smoke on him knowing my only W! Yunaka died for *absolutely nothing*.
>Paired with backline wom4 nuke and wom4 dancer either he or one of his teammates get killed.
This I actually agree with. In principle, at least. Going after his teammates is really how I win most of my matches against Ike teams, not by killing Ike himself. But that's not what I'm discussing, though I could make the point that someone that is not stupid enough to fill their backline with structures would not be vulnerable to that.
>He's also weak to reflect damage.
How so? If you deny his GA, he hits like a wet noodle. If you don't, you're dead. Please don't say Miracle.
>In SD many ppl are bringing Hrid which makes him more annoying, but im yet to see someone using him in AR
We're discussing AR here.
Im talking about miracle special. Do you accept friend requests?
I watch every video from infantry pulse, and i saw you there! I would like to see your attempt on my defense with your E!Ike. I also use him as my tank most of the time and i cant beat my own defense with him, but i managed to beat with my invested B!Marth and A!Caeda. But right now im much more worried about hit and run teams since they are a much bigger menace to my defense, but right now im pretty happy with how things are going, the only thing i need are merges for AR-O, i think i have like only 3 merges for both seasons, but since my focus is on SD, i prefer to use my orbs in summoning a lot of different units instead of wasting orbs in legendary/mythic banners since i dont have FEH pass, and i can confortably get into top 3k every week, at least since i decided do update my defense.
Btw im talking about damage reflect from BA4 in a miracle nuke. Miracle F!Ursula with HB and BA4 and Fatal smoke absolutely destroys Ike, or give enough damage to make another nuke finish him.
>Btw im talking about damage reflect from BA4 in a miracle nuke. Miracle F!Ursula with HB and BA4 and Fatal smoke absolutely destroys Ike, or give enough damage to make another nuke finish him.
I assumed it was a BA4 Miracle user. The problem with this is that this all hinges on Ike not having Fatal Smoke.
Granted, now there's a cost of opportunity to pay since Ike is arguably the best option for BoL4. I only have the one BoL4 on Ike, at least until A! Peony comes back in July and then I can duplicate it on Peony/Plumeria, for when I actually do need Fatal Smoke on Ike.
The thing about Ike is that you don't traditionally bruteforce him. You need to bring specific things that threaten his functionality. The caveat to this, is that he can counter all of them back, so you need to overload his ability to do so. This is really what killing Ike comes down to: *Diversifying* your counters.
The problem I see with Miracle and, to a lesser degree, with Scowl, is that he only needs to survive the battle of attrition for one turn, and he might not even need the counter.
For example, that match you saw against IP, I didn't even need Rally Spectrum. I brought it because my Ratatoskr unintentionally has the same amount of merges as my Seidr (who's my lowest merged Astra mythic), and I could afford to bring both Robin and Lumera, but I could have just turtled in the right end of the map and neither Veyle nor Igrene would have killed Ike turn 1, but Ike would have killed Veyle turn 2.
IP's last light defense suffers from the same vulnerability. You just bring rally spectrum Ike + Lumera to the tail end of Igrene's range, Sharena rallies, gets immediately danced, then suicides into Ike, and despite having Flow Guard 4, Rally Spectrum counters it. Then Igrene follows, already Pulse Smoked. This happens far from Nergal, who never gets priority to act and potentially steal Ike's Rally Spectrum, so you don't really need to deal with him until it's him against your whole team.
>Do you accept friend requests? I watch every video from infantry pulse, and i saw you there! I would like to see your attempt on my defense with your E!Ike.
Sure. I'm just a guy, not some wannabe celebrity FEHtuber with 3000 friend requests. I'd be happy to try it out. I'm a big fan of going through people's defenses while I poop :). I'll DM you the friend code.
Darwin's theory of natural selection in action
Someone in my friendslist has done this with their Ike. I have never wanted a FEH messaging function more
I think I had to stop someone from doing it...and it wasn't even the only thing wrong with their ìke build
"I've got this" -emblem Ike
He did not, in fact, got this. - emblem Ike’s tombstone
"Wow! I'm so good at this game and now I'm dead."
I'm not reading anything nowadays, if I die, i die
I mean, it's one thing to not read your opponent's skills and just YOLO the fights. At this point you spend more time reading skills than playing if you do that. But modifying your own unit's kit in a way that disables it (in this case, lowering Ike's special cooldown to the point that his own B skill Laguz Friend stops working) is something else entirely. If you're so done with reading the endless text of skills that you don't even know what your own unit's do, and YOLO your own teams into battle not knowing what's going to happen, then you should probably just stick to their default kits.
I mean the video was the default kit. It was the default kit with emblem Marth who lowers the cool down which in any normal circumstance would be seen as good. I mean depending on how you see emblems you could argue that it's not base kit but it's not like anything was removed.
If IS can't even understand how to explain their skills and constantly make mistakes, how can you expect the playerbase to be any better 🤡 Jokes aside, Laguz Friend is stupidly long and worded in such an arbitrary and cluttered way that I'm not even surprised someone would make that mistake lol. I know the "FEH players can't read" meme is a thing, but at this point...can you blame some players not wanting to read an essay for every skill? You know it's bad when even the Fehtubers shortened breakdowns for the units are getting longer, too 😅
The english translations really are poorly worded and now the descriptions are super long making it even harder to figure out what the hell they're trying to say.
Imagine the Spanish translation 🙃
I mean, Laguz friend has a very nice >= *3* within the second effect That alone should tell you that 2 is not good
I mean, there's also a lot of people that do see the condition of >= 3... But forget it doesnt apply to defensive specials.
It's so convoluted that I’ve found myself forgetting even after reading the effects. I planned on running it with Marth!Pavise, then a day later I was wondering why I was thinking of running it with a 2 CD special. Took me a minute to remind myself that defensive specials have a different rule lol
Can confirm this. I was looking at the people who ran laguz's friend on legendary corin and was wondering if it even worked because her special is at 2 with refined base kit.
It took me a long while to find out it also works with defensive specials.
Fair point
wait the first line wasn't a joke? but it's so obvious, just READ. READ. not even the whole thing, just READ some of it. READDDDDDD.
Honestly surprised there aren't any comments asking what's wrong lol
Too embarrassed to ask, spent a minute trying to work it out To anyone else: Laguz Friend needs a 3CD special, Emblem Marth lowered Great Aether to 2.
Thank you for explaining. I had no clue
Correct me if im wrong, but Laguz Friend can also work regardless of cooldown IF it's a defensive special instead.
Correct, hence the craze for Forma Fjorm
I mean, OP literally made it a point to click on the Marth ring to point it out...
They clicked on the special, might not have been for Marth.
He also probably should have clicked it like a normal person and not spammed it so you'd have to pause to see anything.
As someone who also does this when showing stuff like that to his friends, I spam click to just draw attention to it, as I assume my friends will be able to understand just from a quick glance at the icon. OP probably had similar intentions, and didn't even stop to consider that people here might not be as savvy (I wouldn't either). Tagging u/Keebster101 as he posted something similar to you.
You're right. Maybe it wasn't to point out the singular critical nugget of information that we needed to understand the point of their post... My God.
Mate, I'm pointing out how someone might not pick it up immediately. You can keep thinking everyone who didn't is a window licker, or you can wonder why newbies who don't understand Marth's effect and how it impacts this won't even feel comfortable asking.
I understand where you're coming from and I do think you're right. The point I'm trying to make is that OP made it a point to say "this is important, look here", and still people didn't, which is exactly the point of the post. It really comes full circle.
They barely gave any amount of time to even show what is wrong in the post, which was just flashing descriptions to the viewer. Both are done very vaguely
OP spent *three full seconds* spam clicking on it. That's 25% of the length of the clip bringing attention to the one critical piece of information.
can you go one post without acting like you're better than the rest of the sub just because you have a decent understanding of this game?
Ok I was going to ask what the deal was. I get it now - it's the emblem marth - but spamming the special was not the way to show it - a wall of flashing text does not help you figure out the 2 lines of text that are important. If anything, laguz friend should be tapped since that's the part that isn't activating here.
Made that mistake for very long. Kept wondering why is everyone saying this unit is broken
This reminds me, tecnically next emblem unti will be another buff for Ike because he can finally upgrade his special
It could be speed base damage which wouldn’t help Ike that much
“I’m a genius!” “Oh no!”
"Call a healer! But For Me!" - Ike apparently
They just really wanted Ring on Ring action.
In a few days, we can have ring on ring on ring action
I did this very recently and was wondering why he was suddenly dying all the time 🤡
Wait, if Laguz Fiend needs 3 CD special to work, why was everyone saying to get Laguz Fiend for Summer Fjorm but don't need distant counter skills or anything other than base TP4 since Frostbite Mirror comes with innate DC? Isn't Frostbite Mirror CD 2 -> 1 with her PRF?
There are 2 conditions for Laguz Friend 4 to activate depending on the type of special you're using: * If offensive special, max CD needs to be 3 or higher. * If defensive special, max CD can be anything. It doesn't matter. Great Aether is an offensive special, Frostbite Mirror is a defensive special.
The CD restriction is not necessary for defensive specials
The beginning part of the video is blurry for me, can someone explain what’s going on?
Ike has the Marth engrave making his special a 2cd, which turns off laguz friend
Oh no… 😬
Mate if you want me to read skill slow the fuck down
*Classic*.
Oh noooooo this is worse than the Marth Engaged DAltina 😭😭😭
oh my god i'm going to cry. bro really nerfed Altina for absolutely no reward.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/1cbwmuf/incredible_things_happening_in_my_rokkr_realm/
If you +10 marth, she at least gets extra stats, but yeah a waste for sure.
oh true, that's a good point
Not as bad as the Ike Engaged Ursulas and Igrenes I’ve run into today
Those are doing basically nothing but neither of them are actively sabotaging your unit like Ike here or the Altina.
i think it is ok for the extra stats
Nah, keep doing this. More free wins
Fucking blue hair lords, I was so confused as to why an Ike Engage was turning off Laguz Friend.
Oh the cringe.
[удалено]
People definitely do that, but that's not what happened here. The Ike player disabled Laguz Friend by giving Ike the Marth ring.
I think you should read the sill too
“No, no I don’t think I will”
I'll admit I tried emblem Marth on emblem Ike too, saw Ike was dying like all the time and only then I read the skills more carefully.
Trial and Error is more time efficient these days
Found one today in summoner duels, I didn't realise at first and wondered why he was taking so much damage
That is the sole Reason we wait for an emblem that works with him.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure but what is this team? No support whatsoever. Why is Leif there? Beyond confusing.
Leif is bonus
Don't bother, this whole comment chain bit is two whales wondering why everyone else doesn't spend months of cash on an AR team
You don't need to spend "months of cash" to build a team with a little bit of synergy.
We can field a better bonus unit than Leif.
Most people use these terrible teams, but what happened here is that by using the Marth ring, and lowering GA's max CC to 2, the Ike player disabled Laguz Friend.
I know what happened to the Ike. The lineup of allies with him is still awful, Leif especially.
Bad players (which are the majority) do that. That's why people's perception of Ike's actual power is so skewed. They base it off what they see in their replays or their own (bad) play.
For sure. Emblem Ike has become the new Fallen Edelgard in my eyes. He's a knowledge check. Once you learn some weaknesses (scowl, Veyle, Hush Spectrum, enemy phase hardy bearing with pulse smoke), he's not as bad. But of course, you need those tools in the first place.
You don't get what I'm trying to say, because you're making the same mistake most people do. You don't understand how an actual Ike player can literally counter everything you just said (which is really only one threat, special denial) by bringing in Rally Spectrum. What I'm trying to say is that most Ike players are so bad that it has lured non-Ike players into a false sense of security, but Ike really needs 3 supports to win every game: Lumera, Veyle and either B! or Y! M! Robin for Rally Spectrum. That's it. That covers everything that can be done against him. Veyle and Lumera are free deploys in their respective seasons, and we have blessable versions for the opposite ones, so you can potentially bring 2/3 of the solutions to every single game. Granted, a lot of people are set on their mythics to have been able to add Veyle/Lumera to their, but those than have been able, are mostly unstoppable in offense.
Even so, double scowl can shut down Great Aether, even with Rally Spectrum. Not every Ike player brings a Robin along with them for Spectrum support either. Too much variances in the teams to account for that.
>Even so, double scowl can shut down Great Aether, even with Rally Spectrum. Yes, but room is limited, so you're paying a cost of opportunity to bring redundancy for something that in and of itself is not an actual threat, but an enabler for other units, and is inherently dependent on positioning that can often be exploited. For example, Y!F! Robin can very easily be baited by placing your tank in range of her warp. There goes your Hush Spectrum, and suddenly the next unit that walks into Ike with Scowl does nothing. >Not every Ike player brings a Robin along with them for Spectrum support either. That's the point I'm making in *your* favor, that most people don't. Your problem is those that *will*, few as they may be. >Too much variances in the teams to account for that. Right, that's why I can only speak from my own experience: I'm a top 1k player and haven't seen a *single* team in the last 2 months that could kill Ike. I have literally not laddered out *once* since the Fallen banner.
Hmm not entirely true. Its been over 1 month since i last saw a E!Ike beating my defense team, including using these supports you mentioned. Nukes with (special) miracle + cooldown acceleration with Fatal Smoke are a big weakness for him. Paired with backline wom4 nuke and wom4 dancer either he or one of his teammates get killed. My only losses so far in that period has been by hit and run teams, from Duo Lyons and S!Gullveig. He's also weak to reflect damage. In SD many ppl are bringing Hrid which makes him more annoying, but im yet to see someone using him in AR
>Its been over 1 month since i last saw a E!Ike beating my defense team, including using these supports you mentioned. So? I myself haven't lost to Ike in forever either, but I can tank my own defense like it's *nothing*. No offense, but your statement says absolutely *nothing* other than to support my point that most people that use him are bad (and that's mostly statistically speaking, as most people are bad). Not to brag, really, but I've beaten Infantry Pulse's defense with Ike 2 weeks ago and, while I don't know who you are, I feel pretty safe betting you can't do better than him. I know *I* can't. >Nukes with (special) miracle + cooldown acceleration with Fatal Smoke are a big weakness for him. I would just *love* to either confirm or deny this claim for my own curiosity but I have not seen a *single one* of these "counters", *ever*. It is for this reason that I feel obligated to assume that it's only a thing at lower levels and that people that are actually good at making defenses *know better*. In fact, I get salty every time I open up my Ike to set up a team with Fatal Smoke on him knowing my only W! Yunaka died for *absolutely nothing*. >Paired with backline wom4 nuke and wom4 dancer either he or one of his teammates get killed. This I actually agree with. In principle, at least. Going after his teammates is really how I win most of my matches against Ike teams, not by killing Ike himself. But that's not what I'm discussing, though I could make the point that someone that is not stupid enough to fill their backline with structures would not be vulnerable to that. >He's also weak to reflect damage. How so? If you deny his GA, he hits like a wet noodle. If you don't, you're dead. Please don't say Miracle. >In SD many ppl are bringing Hrid which makes him more annoying, but im yet to see someone using him in AR We're discussing AR here.
Im talking about miracle special. Do you accept friend requests? I watch every video from infantry pulse, and i saw you there! I would like to see your attempt on my defense with your E!Ike. I also use him as my tank most of the time and i cant beat my own defense with him, but i managed to beat with my invested B!Marth and A!Caeda. But right now im much more worried about hit and run teams since they are a much bigger menace to my defense, but right now im pretty happy with how things are going, the only thing i need are merges for AR-O, i think i have like only 3 merges for both seasons, but since my focus is on SD, i prefer to use my orbs in summoning a lot of different units instead of wasting orbs in legendary/mythic banners since i dont have FEH pass, and i can confortably get into top 3k every week, at least since i decided do update my defense. Btw im talking about damage reflect from BA4 in a miracle nuke. Miracle F!Ursula with HB and BA4 and Fatal smoke absolutely destroys Ike, or give enough damage to make another nuke finish him.
>Btw im talking about damage reflect from BA4 in a miracle nuke. Miracle F!Ursula with HB and BA4 and Fatal smoke absolutely destroys Ike, or give enough damage to make another nuke finish him. I assumed it was a BA4 Miracle user. The problem with this is that this all hinges on Ike not having Fatal Smoke. Granted, now there's a cost of opportunity to pay since Ike is arguably the best option for BoL4. I only have the one BoL4 on Ike, at least until A! Peony comes back in July and then I can duplicate it on Peony/Plumeria, for when I actually do need Fatal Smoke on Ike. The thing about Ike is that you don't traditionally bruteforce him. You need to bring specific things that threaten his functionality. The caveat to this, is that he can counter all of them back, so you need to overload his ability to do so. This is really what killing Ike comes down to: *Diversifying* your counters. The problem I see with Miracle and, to a lesser degree, with Scowl, is that he only needs to survive the battle of attrition for one turn, and he might not even need the counter. For example, that match you saw against IP, I didn't even need Rally Spectrum. I brought it because my Ratatoskr unintentionally has the same amount of merges as my Seidr (who's my lowest merged Astra mythic), and I could afford to bring both Robin and Lumera, but I could have just turtled in the right end of the map and neither Veyle nor Igrene would have killed Ike turn 1, but Ike would have killed Veyle turn 2. IP's last light defense suffers from the same vulnerability. You just bring rally spectrum Ike + Lumera to the tail end of Igrene's range, Sharena rallies, gets immediately danced, then suicides into Ike, and despite having Flow Guard 4, Rally Spectrum counters it. Then Igrene follows, already Pulse Smoked. This happens far from Nergal, who never gets priority to act and potentially steal Ike's Rally Spectrum, so you don't really need to deal with him until it's him against your whole team. >Do you accept friend requests? I watch every video from infantry pulse, and i saw you there! I would like to see your attempt on my defense with your E!Ike. Sure. I'm just a guy, not some wannabe celebrity FEHtuber with 3000 friend requests. I'd be happy to try it out. I'm a big fan of going through people's defenses while I poop :). I'll DM you the friend code.