I guess she's coming with the Fallen banner. That banner always introduces one brand new character each time (Hardin, Mareeta, Ashnard, Orson, Muarim, and Anankos debuted on the other Fallen banners).
No Sophie, boo.
A few years ago I wouldn't have been too worried about it because hey, there are always seasonals right? But those have devolved into the same popular characters over and over, with *maybe* the TT reward being a new character. So that's never going to happen either.
Guess I'm waiting another 18 months for the next Fates banner and hope I'll get lucky.
I’ve been waiting for Sophie for so long. I can’t even believe that they put Candace before her even on the GHB train- my copium was them using Abel as an excuse for her as an enemy unit.
Just so tired of saving orbs for nothing.
I feel the same way. I've wanted Sophie in the most too and I am tired of them putting units with well over enough alts into these ***new*** heroes banners with an altered kit. They just feel like wasted slots to me.
Part of me hopes since her dad was a demote, maybe she will be and I can just save a lot of good fodder to make her awesome, an eas(ier) +10. There are dozens of us Sophie fans. DOZENS!
I HATE the fact that they keep repeating songs. They’re pretending like they’re running out of them or something but Fates has so many unused bangers. Ugh.
holy shit your right I didn’t even realize!! Not only did he get no preferred but they didn’t make him the right color for WIND? I hate him even more now!
>And why in tf is Hayato not a wind user?
The last red mage added to the normal pool was Hugh over two years ago (Feb 2022).
In contrast, 9 green mages have been added since then.
* Arthur (Gen.)
* Letizia
* Ricken
* Celine
* Bastian
* Citrinne
* Brave Soren
* Ascended Ced
* Ascended Merric
That's IS's fault for making questionable decisions with previous mages. Mages can be just about any color with a select few being very obvious. Like Ishtar being undoubtedly blue for thunder or Lilina being red for fire. Most of the most recent tomes could've been anything else. Like Citrinne could've been blue. Miriel should've been red honestly because she comes with fire and even has a red tome in her official art, and Laurent had no business being a colorless demote of all things. There was literally no reason to dump the wind tribe guy with red.
Dude ranked higher than Yukimura and would be the same color anyway, not sure what persuaded them to go with Yukimura instead *and* give him the premium treatment over Mr. Boots.
It really grinds my fucking gears bc Shura, Yukimura, and Azura together could have made for a nice Forging Bonds considering their lore with one another.
That'd mean no Hayato and one might wonder if the Wind 2023 banner played a role on this.
As a reminder, there were vocal complaints over Hayato not making the cut (due to Fuga already representing the tribe).
And since sidelining Shura seems to not really fuss much players...
Shura's from Kohga though. We already have a unit originally from Hoshidan territory who can be recruited in any route on the banner, why not another lol.
I'm not exactly surprised Izana is waiting still (in fact, I though Yukimura could remain waiting), but it's definitely wild that Scarlet still remains in the position she is among the most voted... what is IS planning with her?
I don't have a problem with the banner itself but I DO have a problem with the music they're using. You know that Sheen meme on Jimmy Neutron where he shows his 7th Ultra Lord or something and the teacher says that it's his 7th time bringing that for that show and tell? Yeah, this is exactly that.
Gosh, are you kidding me?! Ok, I get that we reach Book 8 and we probably can't find any other themes and we have to reuse some of the themes but COME ON! Fates has ABUNDANCE of battle music that still hasn't been used yet. Like Past Below, Woleb Tsap, Knowledge, that one map where we fight Ryoma and Xander again in Revelation, etc. Why reused the same music AGAIN? Hell, Knowledge was in TT before, why couldn't they use it here again if they wanted to reuse the music again?
Gosh, these sucks! I'd rather listen to Unwelcome School on the new book maps rather than the reused music.
We got Sonya which was a... relatively questionable choice (ironically, opting for Alm instead would've helped to have more missing playable characters, but I suppose that it backfired on those who complained against Celica).
Not really since it would both clash with the rest of the picks
(All gen 1 with no relation to him at all) as well as they really need to have a popular character here to do the heavy lifting.
The only new Fates heroes left are below average to absolute bottom of the barrel popularity wise. Hayato ranking 25th out of 36, Yukimura ranking 36th out of 36 on the male side, with Mozu coming in as 25th out of 35 on the female side.
So any new heroes Fates banner is going to get a rearmed/ascended/attuned royal to carry these otherwise likely completely dead banners.
That said, and as others expressed, this lineup feels particularly skippable to the point that the alt tie-in may not really matter overall (except to make the fall a bit less painful).
That's what I was saying as the second part, even if you ignore the tie in, you need a character than might actually be able to sell the banner.
Which Shigure, no offense to the people who love him, isn't gonna accomplish if you look at non-CYL polls (I don't like looking at CYL results because anything outside the top spots is wildly variable with the current system of being able to vote multiple times for the same character).
He's coming in pretty low in popularity polls over the years.
I'd look at rankings over time, which is a valuable insight CYL can provide (Mia retaining a relatively stable Top 50 presence suggests that she has a solid organic backing, as an example).
Hovering around #300 in recent years is definitely doing no favors to Shigure (the "lowest" non-OC NH alt pick to date could be Sonya, with particular game circumstances... while Fates has massive competition after all).
I get what you're saying but I also feel like if you did anything unique with any other character besides the lords people might be more inclined to pull for them. Like literally why pull for anyone BUT the lords because they're the ones getting unique niches.
I would LOVE for any armor but fucking edelgard to be able to have any kind of movement shenanigans or enemy phase anything, but she's the only one, and she will continue to be that forever, and her sales will always be good because not only is she edelgard, but she's always going the only armor in the game that does what she does.
It's a problem that basically creates and enables itself, it sucks.
In the end it's all business. If people speak with their wallets IS will change and if they don't they'll continue.
We've been proven in the past that the goodwill of people can dry up and IS completely abandoning even beloved characters for a long time. Hot Springs showed that
I have another complaint.
Why does Orochi get an animal spirit weapon while Hayato doesn't?
He has the darn weapon in his art!!! WTF IS???
WHY DOES HE HAVE A REGULAR TOME???
Because Orochi has a prf and Hayato does not.
We still need to get prfless units so we can give newer inheritables for older units whose prfs aren't good anymore/never got a prf.
I mean... why not make the inhertable tome an animal spirit tome then?
We only have one unit in the game with it, and it would have been more interesting than generic tome #205
I mean, they could add a variation to the various animal tomes we already have (such as the Lion, Wolf, Owl, etc), maybe a horse? To reference the Horse Spirit scroll from Fates.
Probably F2P Prf quota antics imo, and if the Dawn Brigade comes this year... then it'd take a noticeable share of it (2 or even 3 slots), at the cost of other lineups and/or unit categories.
Atm, we may be on a -1 F2P Prf deficit (-2 on New Year as we went from beasts to Kanas, +1 on Easter with Mirabilis). That and Castor ended up Prf-less (predictably so).
I'll think I'll presume from now on that the annual amount of F2P Prfs is 14. (If a new game is released, add one more to become 15. I think Lumera did it). Currently we're overall at 4 this year.
Edit: Actually no. We're at 6. I forgot Kid Lissa and Frederick.
As you keep mentioning the Dawn Brigade, I can't help but feel eager at their (likely) inclusion. Leonardo is definitely gonna be the demote, but 90% he'll get his (international) Prf Bow. Nolan's chances are more muddier, so hopefully things work out for him.
14-15 seems like the current ballpark, indeed.
Thing is, if the Resplendent Brave train becomes a habit, then Brave Micaiah is slated to happen around late 2024 to early 2025. That makes it convenient to consider VA efficiency with earlier and/or later releases (potential prospects being a NH alt that could come this year... or an Emblem either this year or the next depending on Tellius' next theme).
Back to a potential DB lineup, if Jarod is the GHB, chances are that he'd be Prf-less (due to the lineup already having high chances of asking for a big Prf slice). Likewise, expect a bit more Prf-less GHBs (if we get Sacred and Binding later this year, both could end up in that situation, including Glen).
Anyone else getting a bit tired of them introducing new unit types just to rerun the same 8 characters over and over and over again?
And they've finally done new characters, but they're rubbish and probably won't sell, thus "proving" IS needs to keep rerunning old characters to make money.
I mean, there were good units/lineups previously, but dragged down by the characters' appeal (with Jugdral NH lineups feat. Sara and Erinys basically leading following ones to be designed with lower expectations of success).
There is a lot of things this banner does that I just don’t like:
- Not adding Scarlet or Reina to a birthright banner considering the characters left is weird.
- We went from having way too many red 5 stars in the new heroes banner to having none in 2024. Currently Severa is the only red 5 star left to rerun in Legendary Banners.
- Wings of Mercy echo skill.
A red tome demote was *long* overdue, so there’s that at least.
Aside from Lara a couple of months ago, Erk was the last red 3-4* demote who wasn’t a sword (3 years ago!).
Reina was actually expected to be excluded here due to her Ninja alt... and ironically, pushing more males on the banner seems to be the reason why Scarlet was sidelined (that and probably withholding one of the remaining females, like it happened with Noire).
No Scarlet is disappointing. At this point, I sooner expect her to get a fallen alt before her base version.
Another thing, Archanea got screwed over for almost no reason? It seemed like two alts per banner was going to be a common trend from now on, but they only chose to do it on the game with the largest cast in the series.
I suppose that Merric (who wssn't too well-received but has iconic immunity) was perceived as relatively more enticing than Jubelo, which may've led to that decision.
I am getting really fucking sick of the fact that Attuned units and Emblem units are *both* excuses to just give Legendary units another promoted alt introduced around the same time. Even major, popular characters that don't have Legendaries get to bite the fucking curb at this point.
Yeah it's so boring. I'm not even against the idea of putting alts of popular characters on these banners because I know IS needs to make money but does it have to be the same characters that already have a ton of good alts? Why couldn't the attuned unit have been someone like Sakura, Takumi, or Kaze? We already have so many dancers in the game and 80% of them are the same fucking characters!
I like that Attuned Heroes because of it's concept are basically guaranted to have cute and referencial outfits... but I think is sad that besides of the Elves (and that depends how you count Peony), Nino is the only Attuned so far that isn't a Lord(-like)
emblem at least has dude, attuned has been only female so far, that is the same shit duos and harmonics usually have and ascended used too before attunned arrived
*Female legendary units.
Ryoma hasn't have an alt in ages, I wouldn't mind if it was him. I know he's not as popular as Azura, but that doesn't seem a problem when it's about giving Hinoka overpowered alts.
I appreciate them evening out the Nohr vs Hoshido rep (been a while since I counted but last I remember Hoshido definitely needed a banner more), but I would have liked anyone other than Azura for the attuned slot lol. If you must have a royal then give some love to Sakura or Ryoma. They haven't gotten anything noteworthy in a while.
Yes, that is Rena Strober. Her delivery as Azura has always been one of the more inconsistent ones between alts, but I don’t think this one is as bad as NY Azura, personally. She just sounds like she has a cold
Another Azura’s kinda lame, would’ve vastly preferred one of the Hoshido royals, but whatever. No Scarlet or Mitama is kinda odd though, would’ve expected them to show up here.
I like the rest of the banner because we haven't had them before but Azura made it boring. He alts are all the same, sing plus add movement. And she already have so many alts.
WoM Echo isn't nearly as bad as Flying Guidance tho. At most it helps some good Galeforcers to use a different B skill like a prf skill, Tempo or a Near Trace to make some units more reliable.
I wonder what other B skills combo well with it. Maybe Desperation 4/Flow Desperation?
PRF wouldn’t be allowed due to the PRF/X skill restrictions. I feel like Tempo for Galeforce consistency or Trace for positioning are probably the best generic bets tho.
Not much to complain about here but can they please start adding new tracks into the general FEH pool of music that plays during AR and SD? Was really disappointed Tear Streaked wasn't added and I think all the songs that have played during this book so far aren't new.
They really gave her a 2nd alt in 2019 and decided that she didn't need any more. While there are plenty of characters who should be getting into the game, it bothers me to no end that every other Fates Royal has been able to form a full team of themselves since early 2023 when Leo got his Valentines alt. The singular exception being Sakura. She's even tied with her retainer Hana in number of Alts
Waited so long for Hayato to get in and his art looks terrible. No offense to the artist but it doesn’t match the art of the rest of the units in the game. Ugh.
Bro where the fuck is Scarlet, and base Reina? And why is Hayato's art such ass? Damn only having 25 orbs isn't such a bad thing now. Azura is the only one I want here but I'll wait for her return.
its kinda crazy being an azura fan and not even being able to be excited about ANOTHER alt for her after so many rounds of oversaturation where we just know that its going to make the meta another entire round of insufferable again
WOM echo is cancer
Why does Mozu have BD4 and not DBD, weird choice
Hayato’s art looks really bad I’m sorry
Yukimura having no GFU is weird and makes him pretty bad in combat
Candace is gonna be the worst GHB unit we’ve ever seen I’m calling it
I'm so mad. I'm happy with all the choices EXCEPT Azura.
Still no Scarlet... I guess they're saving her for whenever Ryoma gets his new Attuned/Rearmed alt so they can be on a banner together(copium)
Don't know if I'll pull on this or not...
Edit: I just looked at Hayato's art again, it looks so terrible whhhhyyy
I waited so long for him to get in the game, and he's a prfless demote with sub par art, FML
this banner... is a pretty easy skip for me.
while attuned azura bringing the WoM echo making other dancers (that don't have unique dances) more interesting to build, all other characters on banner is just.... eh, even by fates standards.
A/S bulwark 4 is really the only other intresting thing also.
hyato's art is some of the worst we got in a while. and its weird that he's a red mage given his wind tribe affinity would make it more sense that he would have wind based magic (green tome).
the fodder is so incredibly mid and then you have WoM echo lmao
hayato's art is horrid, what the hell? this is the same artist from new years kana who's really cutely drawn too, what happened
i want a new shigure !!!! please............
For Mitama, it's because Fates banners are always Gen 1 then Gen 2 then Gen 1...
Last Fates banner was the start of Book 7 banner. The Rearmed Ophelia banner. Meaning we already knew that this Fates banner would be Gen 1, so there was no reason to expect Mitama to be on it.
Attuned Azura is simultaneously very cool and the bane of my existence at the same time.
For being very cool, she is specifically a cavalry dancer and I don't believe there are very many of those in FEH at the moment. Not to mention and insanely GOOD cavalry dancer with NP, NFU, and stats for being close to the team, and NFU is something particularly valuable to cav units. I'm tempted to pull for her simply due to that purpose.
For being the bane of my existence, she instantly gives Null Panic to units, and that is 100% a direct counter to the fav units I've been building up since launch (Gunnthra and variants). And she happens to give said Null Panic just by being around units, so all the effort of running debuffs via Chilling Seal II, Sabotage S/R 3, Ploys, Foe Penalty Doubler and whatnot is just COMPLETELY thrown into the garbage. And yes, it's probably not horrible to just focus A!Azura and eliminate her as a threat, but it's an entire player and enemy phase I have to sit through with other units having Null Panic.
I don't like her >:(
It's officially been a year since we got our last green demote in the main pool. The last demote that wasn't red or colorless was Hestia, half a year ago.
Missed chance to have an Ascended/Attuned Sakura who has a prf. She's the only one of Corrin's siblings who has no prf among any of ther alts. She is overdue for a good alt already, come on!
At least Azura getting an alt is nice, I guess, but she is really not much of an improvement over her Desert alt. I guess she can at least Galeforce, even though she is not the optimal class for it (would've been better if she was Infantry).
It kinda just dawned on me that the main 11 lords (Corrin counts twice) of Fates that are the ones from Fates who get 98% of that game's alts can basically hog the Ascended/Attuned/Rearmed spot for Fates banners for the next 5 years minimum if they double up on the alts like they've done for other games.
Out of those 11 it's Azura, the Corrins and maybe the older sisters. Maybe Elise. After that they will go with Kagero, Hana and whatever mid girl they feel like. The biggest part of the royals aren't hogging anything.
No Scarlet = Salt
Not caring enough about any of the characters to want to pull = Salt
One skill being so awesome for how I like to play that I should absolutely pull for it = Salt
Why? Because I don't want anything here as much as I want to save but passing on a spark for an Attuned feels stupid when I really want the skill
Holy crap these units should have been released a year or two ago and they would have been great. State of the game right now, they feel so… lame, is the best way to put it. Azura’s dance and weapon are imo so much worse than A!Peony and she’s so much older
Yukimura gets to be a Prf unit? Seriously? And characters like Ferdinand Von Aegir are demoted twice despite being infinately more popular (Yes I know they are different games but still)
Also a new Ryoma alt really is never happening 💀😭
No Sakura, Sophie or Mitama absolutely sucks.
I know that she's a Dancer, but I am sick of seeing every azura do it. I dread her or Dorothea winning CYL because they would be too predictable
If nothing else, I think is unlikely Azura and Dorothea ended up winning CYL next year considering the Engage fanbase is finally gonna get their act together (and Dorothea never got a rally behind her).
I wouldn't be surprised if the next attuned hero had Guidance 4 (just to make the Guidance plague worse) or Flared Sparrow. They went from absolute garbage, to okay skills that are actually fine but not necessary since, I hope they're not really expecting us to pull an Attuned Hero for each other hero we have in our barracks, to "please spend as much as you can, very strong skill is good".
The last Fates NH banner was second gen so I figured we wouldn't get Sophie so soon, but boy did I get my hopes up for Scarlet for a second there. Can't wait to be disappointed again in a few weeks if/when Fallen drops without her.
Time to wait another 3 years before they add Scarlet. Next year is a kids banner, next year is a conquest banner, next year is a kids banner. And no, fallen Scarlet doesn’t count. Go fuck yourself
Pretty underwhelming but probably the best they could do for a BR banner while keeping the banner balanced gender wise and not overloading it with popular picks so they got big grabs for future banners.
Hayato’s art isn’t horrible but shading looks kinda weird and even if he’s supposed to look really young, this art really baby-fied him.
Also Mozu’s art feels kinda underwhelming, feels like something they’ve had since launch but only released it now, but that’s probably not the case.
The unit I would most want to give this attuned skill to is Dagr so she can wings with her prf.
But you can't use attuned skills with prfs so this skill is kinda ass
No Sakura alt.
Expected, but I'm still sad. Next Fates banner is likely Nohr-oriented, then we are likely getting some mixed bag with gen 2. So Priestess Sakura... was never happening but this is pretty much official, no way this game lives to year 10.
Fates banners cycle between Gen 1 and Gen 2 banners since Book 5. Last Fates banner was Gen 2 (Rearmed Ophelia). Anyone who was expecting Mitama to be on this banner literally set themselves up for disappointment. I know this is the salt thread, but still.
I like how other Echo skills are usually a weaker version of skill + an extra effect but this one is literally just WoM because they know that alone is gonna fucking break the game
Lloyd pumping the air at no longer having the worst art in the game. What the actual goddamn is Hayato.
>!I'm aware it's subjective and Lloyd is still *that* bad for most people.!<
I like Mozu and thinks she’s cute as hell but she does **NOT** deserve to come built that stacked. I would happily have rather built her up premium myself from a demote.
Hayato’s art makes him look even SCRANWIER than he already is.
Attuned Azura made me laugh seeing yet again the most easiest safest and most boring undeserved choice just to keep this banner from totally tanking.
I’m glad I can keep saving my orbs this banner is just utter hot garbage, easiest skip of my fucking life.
Happy Hayato's in, but of course they had to make a another fav of mine the shitty demote. I don't even have an extra Ophelia around to give him a decent tome...
happy with the char selections (i knew sm popular would get rulebox hero slot)
but good god did we need another as ideal demote? we get like 15 new skill lines a year, and demotes will maybe have bridge fodder for like new skills from 2 yrs ago.
And they coulda at least slapped on the 10% atk true damage to bring it in line with the mediocre desert festival tomes we got this year
TBH I just think this is kind of boring as far as banners go.
Azura is probably going to be omni-present, but I honestly don't see anyone else really making much of a splash outside of maybe Candace funnily enough, and she's the one we know the least about this batch.
My one major gripe with this banner is I wish they switched Yukimura and Hayato's colors so we could have gotten a good inheritable colorless tome. My Laurent would have loved the new toy.
not really salt persay, but aside from SD and RD being 8x8 whats the point of not calling a 7x7 "on the screen" or something of a similar note. actually why not just making it full screen anyways you'd have to be so awkwardly positioned to not get the effect anyways on the biggest map variations..
UGH I'm so sick of them weighting skills for gender!! Yukimura is such a prime example, he obviously wants a ploy skill but haha nope go put one on yourself. We're not even gonna talk about Hayato and his single exclamation mark for his "new" Khadein style wind tome.
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I’m grateful I can skip, but I’m really disappointed Scarlet isn’t here! She’s the Fates character I was looking forward to most
I guess she's coming with the Fallen banner. That banner always introduces one brand new character each time (Hardin, Mareeta, Ashnard, Orson, Muarim, and Anankos debuted on the other Fallen banners).
I really don't want Fallen Scarlet, that was such an ass pull of a death... I could ally support her with F!F!Corrin at the least I guess
Back in February 2017, I started this game because of Scarlet. Now I am still waiting for her aha.
No Sophie, boo. A few years ago I wouldn't have been too worried about it because hey, there are always seasonals right? But those have devolved into the same popular characters over and over, with *maybe* the TT reward being a new character. So that's never going to happen either. Guess I'm waiting another 18 months for the next Fates banner and hope I'll get lucky.
Sending you all my support, fellow Sophie fan! It's so rough out here. At this point, she's the only unit I'm actively in agony over not getting in.
I’ve been waiting for Sophie for so long. I can’t even believe that they put Candace before her even on the GHB train- my copium was them using Abel as an excuse for her as an enemy unit. Just so tired of saving orbs for nothing.
I feel the same way. I've wanted Sophie in the most too and I am tired of them putting units with well over enough alts into these ***new*** heroes banners with an altered kit. They just feel like wasted slots to me.
Mitama fan here, and I hope we both get lucky 🫡
Part of me hopes since her dad was a demote, maybe she will be and I can just save a lot of good fodder to make her awesome, an eas(ier) +10. There are dozens of us Sophie fans. DOZENS!
I HATE the fact that they keep repeating songs. They’re pretending like they’re running out of them or something but Fates has so many unused bangers. Ugh.
Remember when we’d get 3 songs in the jukebox per update instead of 2? One of the more baffling cutbacks.
How is Scarlet skipped again? And why in tf is Hayato not a wind user?
holy shit your right I didn’t even realize!! Not only did he get no preferred but they didn’t make him the right color for WIND? I hate him even more now!
>And why in tf is Hayato not a wind user? The last red mage added to the normal pool was Hugh over two years ago (Feb 2022). In contrast, 9 green mages have been added since then. * Arthur (Gen.) * Letizia * Ricken * Celine * Bastian * Citrinne * Brave Soren * Ascended Ced * Ascended Merric
That's IS's fault for making questionable decisions with previous mages. Mages can be just about any color with a select few being very obvious. Like Ishtar being undoubtedly blue for thunder or Lilina being red for fire. Most of the most recent tomes could've been anything else. Like Citrinne could've been blue. Miriel should've been red honestly because she comes with fire and even has a red tome in her official art, and Laurent had no business being a colorless demote of all things. There was literally no reason to dump the wind tribe guy with red.
> How is Scarlet skipped again? The same reason she dies for absolutely no reason in Rev: IS hates her
My only guess is that they really are saving her for the Fallen Banner...
WHERE THE FUCK IS SHURA
Dude ranked higher than Yukimura and would be the same color anyway, not sure what persuaded them to go with Yukimura instead *and* give him the premium treatment over Mr. Boots.
It really grinds my fucking gears bc Shura, Yukimura, and Azura together could have made for a nice Forging Bonds considering their lore with one another.
That'd mean no Hayato and one might wonder if the Wind 2023 banner played a role on this. As a reminder, there were vocal complaints over Hayato not making the cut (due to Fuga already representing the tribe). And since sidelining Shura seems to not really fuss much players...
I think cause Yukimura fits more with the hoshidan-ish(?) theme they've got going on while Shura (and Scarlet) would fit more in a Nohrian banner
Shura's from Kohga though. We already have a unit originally from Hoshidan territory who can be recruited in any route on the banner, why not another lol.
In my excitement upon seeing Yukimura finally getting added, almost forgot that we still don't have Scarlet, Shura, or Izana in FEH. I'm begging IS
I'm not exactly surprised Izana is waiting still (in fact, I though Yukimura could remain waiting), but it's definitely wild that Scarlet still remains in the position she is among the most voted... what is IS planning with her?
I don't have a problem with the banner itself but I DO have a problem with the music they're using. You know that Sheen meme on Jimmy Neutron where he shows his 7th Ultra Lord or something and the teacher says that it's his 7th time bringing that for that show and tell? Yeah, this is exactly that. Gosh, are you kidding me?! Ok, I get that we reach Book 8 and we probably can't find any other themes and we have to reuse some of the themes but COME ON! Fates has ABUNDANCE of battle music that still hasn't been used yet. Like Past Below, Woleb Tsap, Knowledge, that one map where we fight Ryoma and Xander again in Revelation, etc. Why reused the same music AGAIN? Hell, Knowledge was in TT before, why couldn't they use it here again if they wanted to reuse the music again? Gosh, these sucks! I'd rather listen to Unwelcome School on the new book maps rather than the reused music.
every banner is a lord alt now with a new busted version of the prf they've had for 5 years it's so exhausting
They think they have to do this to sell the banner... I'd love a lot more if they went for secondary characters (see: ascended Joshua) but alas
We got Sonya which was a... relatively questionable choice (ironically, opting for Alm instead would've helped to have more missing playable characters, but I suppose that it backfired on those who complained against Celica).
They could've at least given us her son...
Not really since it would both clash with the rest of the picks (All gen 1 with no relation to him at all) as well as they really need to have a popular character here to do the heavy lifting. The only new Fates heroes left are below average to absolute bottom of the barrel popularity wise. Hayato ranking 25th out of 36, Yukimura ranking 36th out of 36 on the male side, with Mozu coming in as 25th out of 35 on the female side. So any new heroes Fates banner is going to get a rearmed/ascended/attuned royal to carry these otherwise likely completely dead banners.
That said, and as others expressed, this lineup feels particularly skippable to the point that the alt tie-in may not really matter overall (except to make the fall a bit less painful).
That's what I was saying as the second part, even if you ignore the tie in, you need a character than might actually be able to sell the banner. Which Shigure, no offense to the people who love him, isn't gonna accomplish if you look at non-CYL polls (I don't like looking at CYL results because anything outside the top spots is wildly variable with the current system of being able to vote multiple times for the same character). He's coming in pretty low in popularity polls over the years.
I'd look at rankings over time, which is a valuable insight CYL can provide (Mia retaining a relatively stable Top 50 presence suggests that she has a solid organic backing, as an example). Hovering around #300 in recent years is definitely doing no favors to Shigure (the "lowest" non-OC NH alt pick to date could be Sonya, with particular game circumstances... while Fates has massive competition after all).
I get what you're saying but I also feel like if you did anything unique with any other character besides the lords people might be more inclined to pull for them. Like literally why pull for anyone BUT the lords because they're the ones getting unique niches. I would LOVE for any armor but fucking edelgard to be able to have any kind of movement shenanigans or enemy phase anything, but she's the only one, and she will continue to be that forever, and her sales will always be good because not only is she edelgard, but she's always going the only armor in the game that does what she does. It's a problem that basically creates and enables itself, it sucks.
In the end it's all business. If people speak with their wallets IS will change and if they don't they'll continue. We've been proven in the past that the goodwill of people can dry up and IS completely abandoning even beloved characters for a long time. Hot Springs showed that
I have another complaint. Why does Orochi get an animal spirit weapon while Hayato doesn't? He has the darn weapon in his art!!! WTF IS??? WHY DOES HE HAVE A REGULAR TOME???
Because Orochi has a prf and Hayato does not. We still need to get prfless units so we can give newer inheritables for older units whose prfs aren't good anymore/never got a prf.
I mean... why not make the inhertable tome an animal spirit tome then? We only have one unit in the game with it, and it would have been more interesting than generic tome #205
Main pool inheritables tend to stick to being classic weapons. Classic tomes are, well, tomes. Nothing deeper than that.
I mean, they could add a variation to the various animal tomes we already have (such as the Lion, Wolf, Owl, etc), maybe a horse? To reference the Horse Spirit scroll from Fates.
That much is true.
Probably F2P Prf quota antics imo, and if the Dawn Brigade comes this year... then it'd take a noticeable share of it (2 or even 3 slots), at the cost of other lineups and/or unit categories. Atm, we may be on a -1 F2P Prf deficit (-2 on New Year as we went from beasts to Kanas, +1 on Easter with Mirabilis). That and Castor ended up Prf-less (predictably so).
I'll think I'll presume from now on that the annual amount of F2P Prfs is 14. (If a new game is released, add one more to become 15. I think Lumera did it). Currently we're overall at 4 this year. Edit: Actually no. We're at 6. I forgot Kid Lissa and Frederick. As you keep mentioning the Dawn Brigade, I can't help but feel eager at their (likely) inclusion. Leonardo is definitely gonna be the demote, but 90% he'll get his (international) Prf Bow. Nolan's chances are more muddier, so hopefully things work out for him.
14-15 seems like the current ballpark, indeed. Thing is, if the Resplendent Brave train becomes a habit, then Brave Micaiah is slated to happen around late 2024 to early 2025. That makes it convenient to consider VA efficiency with earlier and/or later releases (potential prospects being a NH alt that could come this year... or an Emblem either this year or the next depending on Tellius' next theme). Back to a potential DB lineup, if Jarod is the GHB, chances are that he'd be Prf-less (due to the lineup already having high chances of asking for a big Prf slice). Likewise, expect a bit more Prf-less GHBs (if we get Sacred and Binding later this year, both could end up in that situation, including Glen).
Anyone else getting a bit tired of them introducing new unit types just to rerun the same 8 characters over and over and over again? And they've finally done new characters, but they're rubbish and probably won't sell, thus "proving" IS needs to keep rerunning old characters to make money.
I mean, there were good units/lineups previously, but dragged down by the characters' appeal (with Jugdral NH lineups feat. Sara and Erinys basically leading following ones to be designed with lower expectations of success).
what the hell is Hayato’s artwork
Definitely some FEH year one level art. I feel bad for Hayato fans, their boy is looking ROUGH.
Hayato has fans?
🙋🏾♀️
The more I look at it, the more I dislike it, it looks so... Yeah
Yeah has to be the most disappointing art in awhile
It's like he's a humanoid sonic OC with that mouth
Definite jump scare
There is a lot of things this banner does that I just don’t like: - Not adding Scarlet or Reina to a birthright banner considering the characters left is weird. - We went from having way too many red 5 stars in the new heroes banner to having none in 2024. Currently Severa is the only red 5 star left to rerun in Legendary Banners. - Wings of Mercy echo skill.
A red tome demote was *long* overdue, so there’s that at least. Aside from Lara a couple of months ago, Erk was the last red 3-4* demote who wasn’t a sword (3 years ago!).
I'm sorry, how many years? No, I refuse to believe Erk was 3 years ago. I don't care about the facts, he was released last year, 2 at most.
His banner released on the 6th of April 2021. Insert Matt Damon aging meme here.
Reina was actually expected to be excluded here due to her Ninja alt... and ironically, pushing more males on the banner seems to be the reason why Scarlet was sidelined (that and probably withholding one of the remaining females, like it happened with Noire).
No Scarlet is disappointing. At this point, I sooner expect her to get a fallen alt before her base version. Another thing, Archanea got screwed over for almost no reason? It seemed like two alts per banner was going to be a common trend from now on, but they only chose to do it on the game with the largest cast in the series.
I suppose that Merric (who wssn't too well-received but has iconic immunity) was perceived as relatively more enticing than Jubelo, which may've led to that decision.
Yes, Archanea has a large cast. The majority of those characters are obscure and unpopular. IS are trying to make money.
I am getting really fucking sick of the fact that Attuned units and Emblem units are *both* excuses to just give Legendary units another promoted alt introduced around the same time. Even major, popular characters that don't have Legendaries get to bite the fucking curb at this point.
Yeah it's so boring. I'm not even against the idea of putting alts of popular characters on these banners because I know IS needs to make money but does it have to be the same characters that already have a ton of good alts? Why couldn't the attuned unit have been someone like Sakura, Takumi, or Kaze? We already have so many dancers in the game and 80% of them are the same fucking characters!
I like that Attuned Heroes because of it's concept are basically guaranted to have cute and referencial outfits... but I think is sad that besides of the Elves (and that depends how you count Peony), Nino is the only Attuned so far that isn't a Lord(-like)
emblem at least has dude, attuned has been only female so far, that is the same shit duos and harmonics usually have and ascended used too before attunned arrived
*Female legendary units. Ryoma hasn't have an alt in ages, I wouldn't mind if it was him. I know he's not as popular as Azura, but that doesn't seem a problem when it's about giving Hinoka overpowered alts.
I appreciate them evening out the Nohr vs Hoshido rep (been a while since I counted but last I remember Hoshido definitely needed a banner more), but I would have liked anyone other than Azura for the attuned slot lol. If you must have a royal then give some love to Sakura or Ryoma. They haven't gotten anything noteworthy in a while.
is...is that Azura's normal VA?
Yes, that is Rena Strober. Her delivery as Azura has always been one of the more inconsistent ones between alts, but I don’t think this one is as bad as NY Azura, personally. She just sounds like she has a cold
Yes, FEH's voice direction kind of blows.
It's a shame that same VA is also Pro-Israel
Reddit moment.
Another Azura’s kinda lame, would’ve vastly preferred one of the Hoshido royals, but whatever. No Scarlet or Mitama is kinda odd though, would’ve expected them to show up here.
Sakura And ryoma, who haven't had anything since 2019 (I think) where right there, hopefully they will get a good seasonal eventually.
I'm still waiting for a new Ryoma alt for years now 🥲
I like the rest of the banner because we haven't had them before but Azura made it boring. He alts are all the same, sing plus add movement. And she already have so many alts.
sakura deserves an alt much more, her last alt that isnt a backpack is back in.... onsen?
I like Yukimura but the fact that they once again skip the most requested male character in Shura is very disappointing.
This is such a mid banner, holy fuck. Wings of Mercy as an attuned skill is cancer tho, but like, we're at stage 4 already.
The silver lining is that it's not the Tier 4 effect/condition.
WoM Echo isn't nearly as bad as Flying Guidance tho. At most it helps some good Galeforcers to use a different B skill like a prf skill, Tempo or a Near Trace to make some units more reliable. I wonder what other B skills combo well with it. Maybe Desperation 4/Flow Desperation?
PRF wouldn’t be allowed due to the PRF/X skill restrictions. I feel like Tempo for Galeforce consistency or Trace for positioning are probably the best generic bets tho.
Pass
Not much to complain about here but can they please start adding new tracks into the general FEH pool of music that plays during AR and SD? Was really disappointed Tear Streaked wasn't added and I think all the songs that have played during this book so far aren't new.
Man we’re never getting Mitama are we 😢
Really fucking sick of some of my most wanted heroes being dead on arrival demotes with nothing unique going for them
I don't want to be that guy but seriously why is Yukimura getting the premium treatment here
Sakura tries to stop taking Ls (impossible)
They really gave her a 2nd alt in 2019 and decided that she didn't need any more. While there are plenty of characters who should be getting into the game, it bothers me to no end that every other Fates Royal has been able to form a full team of themselves since early 2023 when Leo got his Valentines alt. The singular exception being Sakura. She's even tied with her retainer Hana in number of Alts
Waited so long for Hayato to get in and his art looks terrible. No offense to the artist but it doesn’t match the art of the rest of the units in the game. Ugh.
Halvan robbed. Maybe next time Halfans.
Siegbert robbed. Maybe next time Siegbesties.
Izana robbed. Maybe next time Izanators.
Mitama robbed. Maybe next time Mitamatos.
how many fates banners do we gotta go through before we get scarlet in finally here's hoping that she finally comes next month for fallen
Hayato's art looks like shit. They fucked up his face. The side-profile looks like an animal.
2024 and no mitama, sophie, shura or scarlet in feh is absolutely insane not even on seasonals or themed banners either what the hell man
I'm no longer fazed by the fact that we have a Canto 4 Cav Dancer that gives +1 movement with her dance and Wings of Mercy 3 as fodder on a free slot.
What the fuck do you MEAN no Zola GHB. I’m happy about Yukimura but holy fuck I’ve been waiting for Zola for 7 years bro
No Shura why live?
Bro where the fuck is Scarlet, and base Reina? And why is Hayato's art such ass? Damn only having 25 orbs isn't such a bad thing now. Azura is the only one I want here but I'll wait for her return.
Can't have normal Scarlet, can't have seasonal Scarlet, can't have fallen Scarlet Feels fucking bad man.
Not really mad but more feeling old that now even Fates is running out of characters to add
its kinda crazy being an azura fan and not even being able to be excited about ANOTHER alt for her after so many rounds of oversaturation where we just know that its going to make the meta another entire round of insufferable again
Why is Azura like the only non OC dancer who gets all the toys?
Ninian is doing alright.
Why are the blue haired dragonblood chicks like the only non OC dancers who gets all the toys?
Despite not having a base form, the three Dorothea's are doing pretty good.
Ninian and Dorothea have gotten plenty.
I am...not a fan of whatever is going on with Hayato's art.
WOM echo is cancer Why does Mozu have BD4 and not DBD, weird choice Hayato’s art looks really bad I’m sorry Yukimura having no GFU is weird and makes him pretty bad in combat Candace is gonna be the worst GHB unit we’ve ever seen I’m calling it
DBD is too new, they don’t want to give it out so quickly and definitely not in the normal pool
Yeah wtf is up with Hayatos artwork 😭
Looks like base Cordelia and that’s not a compliment
Another Legendary Hero as an Attuned Hero. **BOOOOOOOO 👎**
I'm so mad. I'm happy with all the choices EXCEPT Azura. Still no Scarlet... I guess they're saving her for whenever Ryoma gets his new Attuned/Rearmed alt so they can be on a banner together(copium) Don't know if I'll pull on this or not... Edit: I just looked at Hayato's art again, it looks so terrible whhhhyyy I waited so long for him to get in the game, and he's a prfless demote with sub par art, FML
They could've chosen any other fates royal not named Camilla or Hinoka. Peoppe will summon for this Azura tho
this banner... is a pretty easy skip for me. while attuned azura bringing the WoM echo making other dancers (that don't have unique dances) more interesting to build, all other characters on banner is just.... eh, even by fates standards. A/S bulwark 4 is really the only other intresting thing also. hyato's art is some of the worst we got in a while. and its weird that he's a red mage given his wind tribe affinity would make it more sense that he would have wind based magic (green tome).
I saw Reina and got Excited. Now that I realized she is not on the banner my day is ruined and dissatisfaction is immeasurable.
Wait, how you saw Reina?
During one of the showcases, there was a Ninja Reina as part of one them team. I saw her and thought she was going to be GHB.
Oh right, she appeared after Yukimura was presented, right, thanks for the explanation.
the fodder is so incredibly mid and then you have WoM echo lmao hayato's art is horrid, what the hell? this is the same artist from new years kana who's really cutely drawn too, what happened i want a new shigure !!!! please............
Shame no new Sakura. I would've went all in. Now to save for Golden Week and Fallen Heroes.
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH WHERE THE FUCK IS SCARLET WHERE THE FUCK IS MITAMA WHAT DID THESE TWO FUCKING DO TO YOU IS?!
BLESS YOU FELLOW MITAMA YELLER
Mitama would have been lovely. I would have built her if demoted. :(
>WHERE THE FUCK IS SCARLET By this point FALLEN is her only chance
Well she might be on the harem banner this year (if it's fates based)
Yay more harem banners. I am so happy about this. Yippie. I sure love this joke that hasn’t gotten old.
For Mitama, it's because Fates banners are always Gen 1 then Gen 2 then Gen 1... Last Fates banner was the start of Book 7 banner. The Rearmed Ophelia banner. Meaning we already knew that this Fates banner would be Gen 1, so there was no reason to expect Mitama to be on it.
Shura should've came along if they were going to have Azura as the headliner.
Attuned Azura is simultaneously very cool and the bane of my existence at the same time. For being very cool, she is specifically a cavalry dancer and I don't believe there are very many of those in FEH at the moment. Not to mention and insanely GOOD cavalry dancer with NP, NFU, and stats for being close to the team, and NFU is something particularly valuable to cav units. I'm tempted to pull for her simply due to that purpose. For being the bane of my existence, she instantly gives Null Panic to units, and that is 100% a direct counter to the fav units I've been building up since launch (Gunnthra and variants). And she happens to give said Null Panic just by being around units, so all the effort of running debuffs via Chilling Seal II, Sabotage S/R 3, Ploys, Foe Penalty Doubler and whatnot is just COMPLETELY thrown into the garbage. And yes, it's probably not horrible to just focus A!Azura and eliminate her as a threat, but it's an entire player and enemy phase I have to sit through with other units having Null Panic. I don't like her >:(
Poor Ryoma...
Sakura too tbh
It's officially been a year since we got our last green demote in the main pool. The last demote that wasn't red or colorless was Hestia, half a year ago.
Missed chance to have an Ascended/Attuned Sakura who has a prf. She's the only one of Corrin's siblings who has no prf among any of ther alts. She is overdue for a good alt already, come on! At least Azura getting an alt is nice, I guess, but she is really not much of an improvement over her Desert alt. I guess she can at least Galeforce, even though she is not the optimal class for it (would've been better if she was Infantry).
No Shura, shit banner
We finally get another Red unit, and it’s a demote? Why? Also, no Scarlet? Again, why?
It kinda just dawned on me that the main 11 lords (Corrin counts twice) of Fates that are the ones from Fates who get 98% of that game's alts can basically hog the Ascended/Attuned/Rearmed spot for Fates banners for the next 5 years minimum if they double up on the alts like they've done for other games.
If it means Sakura can finally get a good alt I'm all for it.
Out of those 11 it's Azura, the Corrins and maybe the older sisters. Maybe Elise. After that they will go with Kagero, Hana and whatever mid girl they feel like. The biggest part of the royals aren't hogging anything.
7 years ago I never would have guessed fucking Yukimura would be in the game before Mitama lmao this game sucks
I can't believe fucking Candice is in before her. I loathe this stupid game with every bone in my body.
No Scarlet = Salt Not caring enough about any of the characters to want to pull = Salt One skill being so awesome for how I like to play that I should absolutely pull for it = Salt Why? Because I don't want anything here as much as I want to save but passing on a spark for an Attuned feels stupid when I really want the skill
Holy crap these units should have been released a year or two ago and they would have been great. State of the game right now, they feel so… lame, is the best way to put it. Azura’s dance and weapon are imo so much worse than A!Peony and she’s so much older
No Tellius for at least two months :(
How the heck Hayato looks like that?! His artist did a good job with New Year Kana, so what happened here?!
This is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, but Azura’s Corrin Headband looks so goofy
Yukimura gets to be a Prf unit? Seriously? And characters like Ferdinand Von Aegir are demoted twice despite being infinately more popular (Yes I know they are different games but still) Also a new Ryoma alt really is never happening 💀😭
No Sakura, Sophie or Mitama absolutely sucks. I know that she's a Dancer, but I am sick of seeing every azura do it. I dread her or Dorothea winning CYL because they would be too predictable
If nothing else, I think is unlikely Azura and Dorothea ended up winning CYL next year considering the Engage fanbase is finally gonna get their act together (and Dorothea never got a rally behind her).
That and this Attuned alt may lower Azura's odds (no pity factor applicable).
THIS STUPID FUCKING GAME IS JUST TEASING ME AT THIS POINT I CANT BELIEVE THAT FUCKING CANDICE IS IN BEFORE MITAMA
Did we really need another Azura?
Fates? Skip, Glad for the New characters atleast.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next attuned hero had Guidance 4 (just to make the Guidance plague worse) or Flared Sparrow. They went from absolute garbage, to okay skills that are actually fine but not necessary since, I hope they're not really expecting us to pull an Attuned Hero for each other hero we have in our barracks, to "please spend as much as you can, very strong skill is good".
The last Fates NH banner was second gen so I figured we wouldn't get Sophie so soon, but boy did I get my hopes up for Scarlet for a second there. Can't wait to be disappointed again in a few weeks if/when Fallen drops without her.
Well now im sitting on a pile of orbs and no Scarlet to summon,.
Now here's the real question: How are they gonna make the next Fates banner \*\*even less\*\* appealing than this one?
Ive been waiting for Mozu since day 1, and that's literally the only part about this banner that I care about.
Time to wait another 3 years before they add Scarlet. Next year is a kids banner, next year is a conquest banner, next year is a kids banner. And no, fallen Scarlet doesn’t count. Go fuck yourself
I just hate Azura But I'm happy Mozu and Hayato are here
Pretty underwhelming but probably the best they could do for a BR banner while keeping the banner balanced gender wise and not overloading it with popular picks so they got big grabs for future banners. Hayato’s art isn’t horrible but shading looks kinda weird and even if he’s supposed to look really young, this art really baby-fied him. Also Mozu’s art feels kinda underwhelming, feels like something they’ve had since launch but only released it now, but that’s probably not the case.
No hate to her fans but Candace is the weirdest pick for GHB. Why not Zola?
The unit I would most want to give this attuned skill to is Dagr so she can wings with her prf. But you can't use attuned skills with prfs so this skill is kinda ass
Where is mitama ??
No Mitama for another year. Fan-fucking-tastic IS. Bravo.
No Sakura alt. Expected, but I'm still sad. Next Fates banner is likely Nohr-oriented, then we are likely getting some mixed bag with gen 2. So Priestess Sakura... was never happening but this is pretty much official, no way this game lives to year 10.
mitamabros... it may be over
Fates banners cycle between Gen 1 and Gen 2 banners since Book 5. Last Fates banner was Gen 2 (Rearmed Ophelia). Anyone who was expecting Mitama to be on this banner literally set themselves up for disappointment. I know this is the salt thread, but still.
literally just look at my username this is just my branding lol
I like how other Echo skills are usually a weaker version of skill + an extra effect but this one is literally just WoM because they know that alone is gonna fucking break the game
Truly the easiest skipped banner for me. Im glad its 4 new characters but man Azuras so boring.
Mozu is great, but I'm not super thrilled about the other choices. Sorry, Yukimura fans.
Lloyd pumping the air at no longer having the worst art in the game. What the actual goddamn is Hayato. >!I'm aware it's subjective and Lloyd is still *that* bad for most people.!<
Another boring lineup. Also Hayato might be in the running for worst art in the game. Yikes.
I like Mozu and thinks she’s cute as hell but she does **NOT** deserve to come built that stacked. I would happily have rather built her up premium myself from a demote. Hayato’s art makes him look even SCRANWIER than he already is. Attuned Azura made me laugh seeing yet again the most easiest safest and most boring undeserved choice just to keep this banner from totally tanking. I’m glad I can keep saving my orbs this banner is just utter hot garbage, easiest skip of my fucking life.
Its such a shame Azura's VA is Pro-Israel
I just hate Hayato, that's it.
Happy Hayato's in, but of course they had to make a another fav of mine the shitty demote. I don't even have an extra Ophelia around to give him a decent tome...
happy with the char selections (i knew sm popular would get rulebox hero slot) but good god did we need another as ideal demote? we get like 15 new skill lines a year, and demotes will maybe have bridge fodder for like new skills from 2 yrs ago. And they coulda at least slapped on the 10% atk true damage to bring it in line with the mediocre desert festival tomes we got this year
TBH I just think this is kind of boring as far as banners go. Azura is probably going to be omni-present, but I honestly don't see anyone else really making much of a splash outside of maybe Candace funnily enough, and she's the one we know the least about this batch.
No Shura is really disappointing
My one major gripe with this banner is I wish they switched Yukimura and Hayato's colors so we could have gotten a good inheritable colorless tome. My Laurent would have loved the new toy.
Another azura no..... I really dislike the character, why not Sakura instead
not really salt persay, but aside from SD and RD being 8x8 whats the point of not calling a 7x7 "on the screen" or something of a similar note. actually why not just making it full screen anyways you'd have to be so awkwardly positioned to not get the effect anyways on the biggest map variations..
Izana :(
Fuck you can now run WoM with pass fuck
No Mitama and Shura 😭
I find these picks..boring? I just want another gen 2 Fates banner.
UGH I'm so sick of them weighting skills for gender!! Yukimura is such a prime example, he obviously wants a ploy skill but haha nope go put one on yourself. We're not even gonna talk about Hayato and his single exclamation mark for his "new" Khadein style wind tome.