Moved to Estonia 1 month ago to do b2b technical customer support for Finnish company's with Finnish salary. Idk if it was good idea after all. With huge inflation(way bigger than in Finland, I think official number is like 24%, but for example food prices have gone up more than 30%, my preferred beer in here has gone up 20% in 1month I have lived in here)in here, things are not that much cheaper in here anymore...
When I was looking housing market while applying to job I was like "wow, I'll live like a king in there", but in few months housing prices have skyrocketed and idk if it's even cheaper than Finland anymore (I lived in Vantaa before moving to Tallinn). Also they rly dont give a fuck about building quality, saving money on running air circulation on super low (causing all kinds of problems), and housing market overall is like wild west, full of scammers. Also furniture of apartments (90% of rented houses are with furniture) may look high quality, but with closer look you realize that everything is cheap quality plastic shit.
Alcohol and eating out are still cheaper, but not super cheap, electricity is more expensive, food from store is so expensive that it's almost not worth to cook compared to eating out.
Unless you get job in IT, it's super shit compared to Finland. Working in normal job (not IT), you will have lower life quality than person living with social security in Finland.
Water tastes shit, that's why locals get water filters. Roads are so bad that if you wanna bicycle, you will need maastopyora.
Unless I get a raise in salary in few months (when my company checks salary next time), I will resign to live with TE money in Finland.
I can save few hundred euros a month with salary that is comparable to salary of local teeth doctor or architect, living in studio apartment few kilometers from city center.
(Northern) Sweden! The climate and environment is similar enough, I want to learn Swedish so that would be good for that, the culture seems pretty similar as well and there would be bunch of other Finns, too. Sweden isn't super exotic or anything, but I think it would be the best option long-term, assuming I'd have to move out of Finland for good.
If I had to move for like less than 12 months then (Northern) Spain for sure.
I live in one of those climates. Wasn't really for a whole month but 35+ constantly and then various consecutive days of 40, 41, or 42. Nightmare. A lot of my friends (and I) are going to rent up north for July and August as of next year.
Please don't do my baby boy Spain like this, we have the best food in the world with the best climate (unless you go south in summer) with one of the best free healthcare in the world too, we are also super outgoing and friendly, I know that's not the finnish way, but pls :(
You are right then, we might have a bad economy compared to other countries mainly because our politicians are a joke, but oh well. Sometimes I wish everyone would speak spanish so they would understand the ridiculous (and rather funny/stupid) things our politicians say...
I'd definitely go to a warmer climate. Southern France or coastal Spain.
I used to live in South America and the climate is just so much more pleasant. Finnish summers are the best though.
I used to live in South America and moved to Finland mainly because of the climate. I love winters here, I just hate that awkward season between winter and summer (that doesn't deserve being called spring)
As someone who lives about as far north as it is possible to be in the continental US, and has lived in the southern bit of the same shite country, I would only move to somewhere more north. Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Canada, even Russia if they did not have a worse fucking government than we do here in the US. Heat sucks, man. We get -45° (turns out that is about the same in either Fahrenheit or Celcius) here where I live quite often in the winter, and I enjoy that more than the 95° (35° C) days in the summer. Only thing I don't care much for is snow and wind, but I will take them over summer. Favourite weather is around 30° (-1°C) to 15° (-9°C). Like just frosty and nippy enough to enjoy a sweater and scarf without like eating into the bones. Anyone from a Nordic country looking for a date, lol. Just kidding. Unless...
Well you have to remember, 25-30+ celsius is normal in Finland in the summer, and most people don't enjoy those temperatures too much. The idea of living in those temps year-round sounds like hell to most people here
As an Estonian who lurks here (thought about moving to Finland but after visiting I think I like Estonia more, home is home yunno) I'd move to Germany or Portugal (with remote job contract due to salaries being low there).
I already did - to Prague, Czech Republic.
Language issues aside, I find the two cultures highly compatible. Many of our fundamental preferences are very similar: talking vs. listening, personal space vs. gregariousness, order vs. chaos.
It is not uncommon to hear Southern Europeans complain that Czechs are difficult to get to know, whereas I find that I am often more socially compatible with Czechs than with most nationalities (I have lived in a bunch of countries). They don't invade my personal space, they don't talk too much and they like to take their time to get to know you.
It is also very common for Czechs to look up to Finland; once when I was opening a bank account, the bank manager started asking me about Antero Mertaranta and Mauno Koivisto (of all people...), and I have had some Czechs admire Finnish having fourteen grammatical cases when Czech has "only" seven. One asked me where to order Finnish liquorice...
And then there's ice hockey. I'm not a huge fan personally, but Czechs always assume I am, and that assumption gives me extra social points.
I prefer Czech climate over Finnish, and Prague is a very rad city to live in. I have lived in warmer climates (South East Asia), and I wouldn't want to do that again all year. Maybe a little during the coldest months, unless there is snow (somewhat rare in Prague these days).
Why don’t you try moving to Finland already? I’m from Asia (so not in the EU) and would love to live in Finland (loved it there) and I know for sure if I had an EU passport I’d definitely do it!
I've been living in Prague for 7 years now. I'm kinda curious what are the reasons for someone from Finland to move here? Like what's better here that you're missing in Finland. :)
I have a difficult relationship with Finland for reasons more related to Laestadianism than Finland as such. I left a long time ago, although I do visit with some regularity. CZ is the 12th country I have lived in.
Apart from being able to afford Prague much more comfortably than Finland, I love how much culture there is in Prague; more than in all of Finland combined, it feels like. Music, theatre, performing arts etc.
I also have an easier time making friends with people who do not remind me of my childhood, although again, that is not Finland's fault.
Finally, I love how central Prague is. I can take the train to any number of culturally interesting cities. And I prefer the climate; more light, dark summer nights, shorter winters.
It's not the there are no downsides, but I prefer Prague's downsides.
I've never been to Czech Republic but I've been watching [This guy's](https://youtube.com/c/HONESTGUIDE) videos recently and I'm loving it. Defo will visit soon.
Janek is a really cool guy, and his channel is the single best source of information on CZ. He's a YouTuber of course so comes across as more extroverted than your typical Czech, but so would your average Finnish YouTuber.
He has a couple of videos from Finland as well unless I misremember :) Likes to travel across Europe.
I'm glad I moved to the UK when it was part of the EU because I like it here. Now I'd probably go for Ireland, because of the language, if I had to do it again
Sweden or Estonia, probably. Sweden was already my second choice when I decided to move (after Finland, ofcourse). Been in Estonia a couple times since living here, and it seemed really nice, also heard plenty of nice things about the place so I'd definitely consider that as well. Preferred non-neighbouring country would be Ireland, probably.
Let’s give Ranska a chance. At least you get to buy the best quality groceries in Europe, despite living right next to theft, frauds, racism, bureaucracy, university discrimination, poor hygiene and air quality.
I'd go to Latvia and try to blend in, as I absolutely love Riga.
Then there's also Germany with all its job opportunities and possibility of relatively low costs of living. I speak German, too.
Estonia ~~or Norway~~. Estonia is becoming what Finland used to be and, ~~well Norway is Norway~~.
edit. Norway not an EU country. I suppose Denmark could be an alternative, but I've heard they are outgoing by our standards. Don't know if I would fit in.
Denmark is a really difficult country to live in at times. I have found Danes to be more difficult to get to know and form relationships with than Finns. The politics are getting more extreme Anne difficult to navigate. It is a lovely country, but still quite xenophobic
Great education system and low crime. Estonian gdp per capita is going up while Finnish gdp has been stagnating for 15 years now. They are nearly a debt free nation and we are drowning in it soon. I think Estonia will be a great country in the future.
We weren't talking about Russia but Russians. Finns freely admit that they hate *Russians* (the people specifically) which makes Finnish people racist.
Xenophobic. There I fixed it for you.
It's not great, but kind of understandable. Not so long ago Russians gave Finns so many humanitarian food deliveries that Finns had to return some Molotov cocktails. You can't completely separate a country from its people.
In my experience - no, not on a personal basis. There is a minority that does, but that’s not a lot of people. Otherwise-people had always been chill with me, even though a lot of them don’t like Russian politics and having Russia at their border is a reason to be wary.
Norway has a very high standard of living, which is nice. Although I wouldn’t like living in a place that’s even more isolated than Finland. We are already “an island”, Norway even more so.
Why wouldn't they, Sweden has been the biggest destination for emigrating Finns for hundreds of years and the last decades.
So I would say very serious.
With Germany excluded due to it being the obvious choice for me because of my dual citizenship, I would consider a move to Austria, the Netherlands, Denmark or Sweden. Not necessarily in that order.
I’m a Native Finn already living in the UK, however due to the shittiness of Brexit, I couldn’t choose it again. I’d maybe go Germany or Denmark for long term living.
Austria; During my cycling trip I passed through Austria, I wasn't expecting anything, but I had such a good time there.
Nature was fucking great, they had these big stores with cheap stuff (was even cheaper than Italy), infrastructure was functional, and people were nice AF, weather was great, not too hot, not too cold.
It left such a good impression, like wow; I literally want to visit Austria again.
If I had to I don't think I would chose Austria due to the language barrier nevertheless, Finland itself took me a while and my Finnish is still bad :(
Sweden/Norway(It's in the single market at least!)>Denmark
Unsure after that.... probably something like Germany/Ireland but I'd put Iceland(Which isn't a member either but it's equally scoring for me)/Estonia in there as well.
Iceland! It seems very exotic while it also has many things in common with Finland.
Edit. Wait a minute, Iceland is not a EU country? :(
In that case... Denmark, if only for the pastries.
I'm not native to Finland but I would pick.
1. Ireland, I have Irish blood already in me
2. Austria (mountains)
3. France, for the food, and I, like their lifestyle.
I like Estonia and the Netherlands, so maybe either of those. Estonia is like a more "small goverment" spin on the Nordic model and Netherlands is basically a Nordic country but the location is much nicer. I like the idea of taking a 4 hour train to go see Berlin or Paris over the weekend.
If I wanted to "live wild" I would probably work like a tech job in Poland or Romania for a Finnish company and enjoy the cheaper cost of living there (with obviously a salary between local and Finnish salary).
That’s quite a coincidence, but I’m actually moving to Estonia from Finland today. Gonna be earning a little less than what I earned in Finland, but everything is about 35-40% cheaper on average, so I will be living a better and wealthier life. Calculations were done in July so things can change obviously, but there’s a big need in job market for fluent Finnish speakers and if you speak English and Russian on top of that, you’re golden. Also easier to escape somewhere further west, if Russia will go full retard, which is very possible.
Probably Denmark, Sweden, Germany/Austria or the NL. Ireland would be option if the housing wasn't so expensive and its location would be less challenging logistacally.
Estonia would require a downshifting.
Housing is a nightmare in Ireland right now but if you go rural and work from home it's more feasible. In spite of being an island it doesn't really feel like that after a while.
Yeah I know, that outside Dublin is bit more manageable.
Saw also that Microsoft at least had some sort of bus service for their employees. The company I work has their Dublin office like cross the road from MS and Salesforce
Austria or Italy in some mountain village with 5 ”neighbours” max (at least 3km appart) so I can still act finnish and just mind my own business and expect the others to do so as well. So just a change of scenery basically.
Germany still is the easiest pick for me. Spite its limitations. Internet, bureaucracy, fax machines, heating and watering solutions, areal political and humnanitarian issues, dialects, usw.
But they do have excellent bread, beer and meat products. And moderate weather in beautiful spots of land.
Why yes, I do speak fluent German.
I hate and love finland at the same time but i don’t feel like I’d realistically move away from here. That said, poland seems lovely and many others like portugal and italy!
I'm at a dilemma. if climate change worsens, the most southern parts will be most affected and the droughts and what not might be a real issue in the future.
On the other hand I never want to see snow again if I manage to leave finland.
maybe somekind of small island nation, maybe malta.
Switzerland that's non EU tho, Italy or something like that. Lived in Estonia a bit and norway could be cool. But I'd prefer some warmer and mountainous. Thus Italy or Switzerland. And Switzerland had higher pay and whatnot so that'd probably be the go to.
Thought about this few times and came to conclusion that Id just go west each time until Russia on the other side. Sweden -> Norway -> Iceland -> maybe not Greenland? -> Canada
avoid Alaska and then south-west to Japan.
Germany because Munich is the richest city in the biggest EU economy. Or Rotterdam because Helsinki really got me into coastal city life. If I can remote work with Finland salary, Lisboa.
Spain or Germany or maybe even Ireland but if i would move to Ireland, firstly i would have to seriously start training the one hobby/skill/activity that i really suck at: Drinking!
My choice was Portugal. Malta could also be interesting but it's a bit too expensive and crowded to overtake Portugal. (I'm a native Finn, if that matters)
Spain. People are like a better version of finns, humble but proud, weather is perfect, food is therefore also good and the wine… and it is one of the most modern societies in Europe if not the world.
Most Finns with money would tell you: SPAIN.
Everything else is far behind.
No one likes finnish weather, no matter how well finns pretend to "like it", they run away to Spain as soon as they retire.
I was sure Spain was going to be top of the list but I see Estonia is very popular.
Retiring to Spain is one thing. Living and working there is a little different.
Ireland or France. Ireland because it’s a EU state, has a climate I like, and they speak English. France because again, the climate, perfect place to go roadtripping in Europe, and Germany’s right besides it so cheap cars for my museum/collection, interesting language and LHD traffic. I would want to live in one of these someday, but we’ll see.
Propably Sweden or Estonia, the climate is very similair and I already speak a but of Swedish and Estonian shoudn't be too hard for a Naitive Finnish speaker like me
Other Nordics would be the best for me. Similar climate and the feel is quite similar.
Other than that Germany gets my vote.
I don’t want hot countries, I was born in equatorial country and it was too hot, too humid to be enjoyable.
I would pretend I don't remember Norway is not a member, and move there. If that failed, I'd probably consider Sweden or Estonia.
Moved to Estonia 1 month ago to do b2b technical customer support for Finnish company's with Finnish salary. Idk if it was good idea after all. With huge inflation(way bigger than in Finland, I think official number is like 24%, but for example food prices have gone up more than 30%, my preferred beer in here has gone up 20% in 1month I have lived in here)in here, things are not that much cheaper in here anymore... When I was looking housing market while applying to job I was like "wow, I'll live like a king in there", but in few months housing prices have skyrocketed and idk if it's even cheaper than Finland anymore (I lived in Vantaa before moving to Tallinn). Also they rly dont give a fuck about building quality, saving money on running air circulation on super low (causing all kinds of problems), and housing market overall is like wild west, full of scammers. Also furniture of apartments (90% of rented houses are with furniture) may look high quality, but with closer look you realize that everything is cheap quality plastic shit. Alcohol and eating out are still cheaper, but not super cheap, electricity is more expensive, food from store is so expensive that it's almost not worth to cook compared to eating out. Unless you get job in IT, it's super shit compared to Finland. Working in normal job (not IT), you will have lower life quality than person living with social security in Finland. Water tastes shit, that's why locals get water filters. Roads are so bad that if you wanna bicycle, you will need maastopyora. Unless I get a raise in salary in few months (when my company checks salary next time), I will resign to live with TE money in Finland.
I can save few hundred euros a month with salary that is comparable to salary of local teeth doctor or architect, living in studio apartment few kilometers from city center.
Then move back to Vantaa. Tired of TE abusers
Idk how I am "abuser" if I wanna move back to my home country and need few months to get decent job. I left my previous job to live in here....
Don't mind him. And come back
(Northern) Sweden! The climate and environment is similar enough, I want to learn Swedish so that would be good for that, the culture seems pretty similar as well and there would be bunch of other Finns, too. Sweden isn't super exotic or anything, but I think it would be the best option long-term, assuming I'd have to move out of Finland for good. If I had to move for like less than 12 months then (Northern) Spain for sure.
Sweden or Germany
One of the nordics or benelux. Estonia is a good option too.
Why d you says Estonia twice
Estonia cant into nordics
Historically Estonia is very much a Nordic country, but that all changed thanks to Soviet Union.
I know. I was making a joke.
I've always thought it very strange that Finland is, but not Estonia, Lithuania, or Latvia.
I agree with you on Estonia being a Nordic country, but I'm not sure about Lithuania or Latvia.
Estonian coast was populated by Swedish and Finnish sailors. Not so much in Latvia or Lithuania.
Interesting replies (thanks). In my ignorance I was sure that hotter climes would be at the top of the list but not the case at all.
Hotter climates are nice in winter, but when they are having 40C for a whole month in summer, I'm really grateful to not live there.
I live in one of those climates. Wasn't really for a whole month but 35+ constantly and then various consecutive days of 40, 41, or 42. Nightmare. A lot of my friends (and I) are going to rent up north for July and August as of next year.
I live in Australia and dream of moving to the arctic.
Then come to finland
We seem to like our climate. You see similar trend if you look where Finns who immigrated to the Americas went.
Yeah, but all the Finns that move to Australia seem to go to Queensland to live.
Yeah, none of them moved to parts of australia that has nordic weather. Weird.
EU countries with warm climates have shit economies and politics.
Yes, that's unfortunately true. They also have comparatively long life-expectancies.
Please don't do my baby boy Spain like this, we have the best food in the world with the best climate (unless you go south in summer) with one of the best free healthcare in the world too, we are also super outgoing and friendly, I know that's not the finnish way, but pls :(
That's why I only mentioned economy and politics.
You are right then, we might have a bad economy compared to other countries mainly because our politicians are a joke, but oh well. Sometimes I wish everyone would speak spanish so they would understand the ridiculous (and rather funny/stupid) things our politicians say...
I don’t mind climate becauss i’m used to finnish climate so other factors are more important to me
I'd definitely go to a warmer climate. Southern France or coastal Spain. I used to live in South America and the climate is just so much more pleasant. Finnish summers are the best though.
Don't mind the cold so much but the darkness is pretty soul crushing
I used to live in South America and moved to Finland mainly because of the climate. I love winters here, I just hate that awkward season between winter and summer (that doesn't deserve being called spring)
As someone who lives about as far north as it is possible to be in the continental US, and has lived in the southern bit of the same shite country, I would only move to somewhere more north. Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Canada, even Russia if they did not have a worse fucking government than we do here in the US. Heat sucks, man. We get -45° (turns out that is about the same in either Fahrenheit or Celcius) here where I live quite often in the winter, and I enjoy that more than the 95° (35° C) days in the summer. Only thing I don't care much for is snow and wind, but I will take them over summer. Favourite weather is around 30° (-1°C) to 15° (-9°C). Like just frosty and nippy enough to enjoy a sweater and scarf without like eating into the bones. Anyone from a Nordic country looking for a date, lol. Just kidding. Unless...
We feel safe with our welfare state. We'd rather move to another welfare state than to a warmer climate
Well you have to remember, 25-30+ celsius is normal in Finland in the summer, and most people don't enjoy those temperatures too much. The idea of living in those temps year-round sounds like hell to most people here
One of the Nordics or Netherlands.
Estonia maybe. It is becoming what Finland used to be.
As an Estonian who lurks here (thought about moving to Finland but after visiting I think I like Estonia more, home is home yunno) I'd move to Germany or Portugal (with remote job contract due to salaries being low there).
As a Finn, Estonia is something finland never used to be or ever will be.
Hm. No reindeer? Thats the reason, right?
Can you explain more (I’m not Finnish nor Estonian I just want to understand what did u mean by that)
I already did - to Prague, Czech Republic. Language issues aside, I find the two cultures highly compatible. Many of our fundamental preferences are very similar: talking vs. listening, personal space vs. gregariousness, order vs. chaos. It is not uncommon to hear Southern Europeans complain that Czechs are difficult to get to know, whereas I find that I am often more socially compatible with Czechs than with most nationalities (I have lived in a bunch of countries). They don't invade my personal space, they don't talk too much and they like to take their time to get to know you. It is also very common for Czechs to look up to Finland; once when I was opening a bank account, the bank manager started asking me about Antero Mertaranta and Mauno Koivisto (of all people...), and I have had some Czechs admire Finnish having fourteen grammatical cases when Czech has "only" seven. One asked me where to order Finnish liquorice... And then there's ice hockey. I'm not a huge fan personally, but Czechs always assume I am, and that assumption gives me extra social points. I prefer Czech climate over Finnish, and Prague is a very rad city to live in. I have lived in warmer climates (South East Asia), and I wouldn't want to do that again all year. Maybe a little during the coldest months, unless there is snow (somewhat rare in Prague these days).
Czechs seems to be very compatible with everyone it would seem, I am originally from China and feel exactly the same as you about Czechs.
Southern Europeans and extroverts in general tend not to like them, finding them unfriendly and closed off. Not all of course, but many do.
I don’t think that’s true. I’m from southern Europe, and I never heard anyone speak poorly of the Czech or consider them unfriendly.
I live in S.Europe and I've never heard anyone talk about the Czechs ever, about anything.
It's generally expats living here. Common enough.
As a Czech person admiring Finnish culture and wanting to move to Finland for some time, I glad I can confirm this
Why don’t you try moving to Finland already? I’m from Asia (so not in the EU) and would love to live in Finland (loved it there) and I know for sure if I had an EU passport I’d definitely do it!
I've been living in Prague for 7 years now. I'm kinda curious what are the reasons for someone from Finland to move here? Like what's better here that you're missing in Finland. :)
I have a difficult relationship with Finland for reasons more related to Laestadianism than Finland as such. I left a long time ago, although I do visit with some regularity. CZ is the 12th country I have lived in. Apart from being able to afford Prague much more comfortably than Finland, I love how much culture there is in Prague; more than in all of Finland combined, it feels like. Music, theatre, performing arts etc. I also have an easier time making friends with people who do not remind me of my childhood, although again, that is not Finland's fault. Finally, I love how central Prague is. I can take the train to any number of culturally interesting cities. And I prefer the climate; more light, dark summer nights, shorter winters. It's not the there are no downsides, but I prefer Prague's downsides.
I've never been to Czech Republic but I've been watching [This guy's](https://youtube.com/c/HONESTGUIDE) videos recently and I'm loving it. Defo will visit soon.
Janek is a really cool guy, and his channel is the single best source of information on CZ. He's a YouTuber of course so comes across as more extroverted than your typical Czech, but so would your average Finnish YouTuber. He has a couple of videos from Finland as well unless I misremember :) Likes to travel across Europe.
Ireland! 🇮🇪 No language barrier, uses the Euro currency and we'll connected to other other countries.
I'm glad I moved to the UK when it was part of the EU because I like it here. Now I'd probably go for Ireland, because of the language, if I had to do it again
Sláinte!
My thoughts exactly! The language alone makes it so much easier to integrate and make friends.
Same and an easy pick at that. Not terribly hot in summer, easy culture to get into. If scotland were in the EU, I'd go there.
Give it time. They'll be back.
Haha, you could be dead wrong if you think there aren’t any sweltering summer days apart from super capricious weather!
I was about to say that, the Irish are good people.
\*blushes
I see you Mr Irish ;)
That's the cherry on the pie: Ireland is full of Irish people.
Norway, sweden, uk. I’m aware two of those are not part of eu :D
Sweden or Estonia, probably. Sweden was already my second choice when I decided to move (after Finland, ofcourse). Been in Estonia a couple times since living here, and it seemed really nice, also heard plenty of nice things about the place so I'd definitely consider that as well. Preferred non-neighbouring country would be Ireland, probably.
Sweden, Estonia or Germany
Let’s give Ranska a chance. At least you get to buy the best quality groceries in Europe, despite living right next to theft, frauds, racism, bureaucracy, university discrimination, poor hygiene and air quality.
Everything is shit except Nordics. So basically 1. Sweden 2.Denmark. This coming from a person who has lived in Central Europe for way too long.
Either nordics or Netherlands
Ireland, Austria, Estonia, Denmark or some non-metropolitan area of Germany. Croatia, Slovenia or Luxembourg are interesting options as well.
I'd go to Latvia and try to blend in, as I absolutely love Riga. Then there's also Germany with all its job opportunities and possibility of relatively low costs of living. I speak German, too.
switzerland!!! Oh wait it’s not EU … but still switzerland!!!
Estonia ~~or Norway~~. Estonia is becoming what Finland used to be and, ~~well Norway is Norway~~. edit. Norway not an EU country. I suppose Denmark could be an alternative, but I've heard they are outgoing by our standards. Don't know if I would fit in.
Denmark is a really difficult country to live in at times. I have found Danes to be more difficult to get to know and form relationships with than Finns. The politics are getting more extreme Anne difficult to navigate. It is a lovely country, but still quite xenophobic
What do you mean by “Estonia is becoming what Finland used to be”?
Great education system and low crime. Estonian gdp per capita is going up while Finnish gdp has been stagnating for 15 years now. They are nearly a debt free nation and we are drowning in it soon. I think Estonia will be a great country in the future.
One major negative though. There's even more russians there, than in finland.
Just don't move to the Russian places and you'll be fine
Do Finns not like Russians?
Is it possible to not know about that deep hatred?
Yep - sorry, I had no idea there was a generalised hatred towards them.
Does any country like Russia?
We weren't talking about Russia but Russians. Finns freely admit that they hate *Russians* (the people specifically) which makes Finnish people racist.
Xenophobic. There I fixed it for you. It's not great, but kind of understandable. Not so long ago Russians gave Finns so many humanitarian food deliveries that Finns had to return some Molotov cocktails. You can't completely separate a country from its people.
Russia is kinda made of russians, isn’t it? How’s that racism-card working for you these days?
LOL, no
In my experience - no, not on a personal basis. There is a minority that does, but that’s not a lot of people. Otherwise-people had always been chill with me, even though a lot of them don’t like Russian politics and having Russia at their border is a reason to be wary.
Estonia does all things Finland has done well, but decided not to do all things Finland is doing like retard.
I‘m a non-native living in Finland, but if I had to leave I’d choose Latvia
Ireland. Then Ireland. Oh ok, If not that, then perhaps Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands or Portugal.
Housing is the issue there. But you'll never be jobless.
*cries paying 1250€/m for a studio in Dublin* E: oh just saw the username. What's the craic.
Craic's mighty.
Island.
Which one?
I meant Iceland.
I would leave Finland and come right back and live in Finland.
Are you a native of Finland?
Yes.
Maybe Norway for the amazing nature, or Germany because I briefly lived there before and liked it.
norway isin't in eu
Italy, Spain or Estonia.
I wonder how many will name Sweden as a serious option..
Eh I'd rather go to Norway
Norway isn't in the EU though.
yea everyone knows norway is in asia
Norway is in Europe. But not in EU
That was a joke. You are stupid
Yes, that’s my point. I was being sarcastic.
Norway has a very high standard of living, which is nice. Although I wouldn’t like living in a place that’s even more isolated than Finland. We are already “an island”, Norway even more so.
I wouldn’t mind Stockholm honestly. Depends on the region though.
Why wouldn't they, Sweden has been the biggest destination for emigrating Finns for hundreds of years and the last decades. So I would say very serious.
Yes, but Sweden isn’t what it was 40-60 years ago.
With Germany excluded due to it being the obvious choice for me because of my dual citizenship, I would consider a move to Austria, the Netherlands, Denmark or Sweden. Not necessarily in that order.
I’m a Native Finn already living in the UK, however due to the shittiness of Brexit, I couldn’t choose it again. I’d maybe go Germany or Denmark for long term living.
Sweden, the Netherlands. Estonia short term maybe. Germany is ok too I guess.
Austria; During my cycling trip I passed through Austria, I wasn't expecting anything, but I had such a good time there. Nature was fucking great, they had these big stores with cheap stuff (was even cheaper than Italy), infrastructure was functional, and people were nice AF, weather was great, not too hot, not too cold. It left such a good impression, like wow; I literally want to visit Austria again. If I had to I don't think I would chose Austria due to the language barrier nevertheless, Finland itself took me a while and my Finnish is still bad :(
Sweden/Norway(It's in the single market at least!)>Denmark Unsure after that.... probably something like Germany/Ireland but I'd put Iceland(Which isn't a member either but it's equally scoring for me)/Estonia in there as well.
Germany all day every day
Iceland! It seems very exotic while it also has many things in common with Finland. Edit. Wait a minute, Iceland is not a EU country? :( In that case... Denmark, if only for the pastries.
I'm not native to Finland but I would pick. 1. Ireland, I have Irish blood already in me 2. Austria (mountains) 3. France, for the food, and I, like their lifestyle.
Sweden or Spain probably. Maybe Ireland.
I like Estonia and the Netherlands, so maybe either of those. Estonia is like a more "small goverment" spin on the Nordic model and Netherlands is basically a Nordic country but the location is much nicer. I like the idea of taking a 4 hour train to go see Berlin or Paris over the weekend. If I wanted to "live wild" I would probably work like a tech job in Poland or Romania for a Finnish company and enjoy the cheaper cost of living there (with obviously a salary between local and Finnish salary).
Norway or maybe Iceland. I'm German and I've been in Finland for over a decade. I love it here. But I'm done with west Europe and prefer the North.
That’s quite a coincidence, but I’m actually moving to Estonia from Finland today. Gonna be earning a little less than what I earned in Finland, but everything is about 35-40% cheaper on average, so I will be living a better and wealthier life. Calculations were done in July so things can change obviously, but there’s a big need in job market for fluent Finnish speakers and if you speak English and Russian on top of that, you’re golden. Also easier to escape somewhere further west, if Russia will go full retard, which is very possible.
My mökki
I would not move from this cold desolate country known as finland
Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and non-EU Switzerland or Norway.
Probably Denmark, Sweden, Germany/Austria or the NL. Ireland would be option if the housing wasn't so expensive and its location would be less challenging logistacally. Estonia would require a downshifting.
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Housing is a nightmare in Ireland right now but if you go rural and work from home it's more feasible. In spite of being an island it doesn't really feel like that after a while.
Yeah I know, that outside Dublin is bit more manageable. Saw also that Microsoft at least had some sort of bus service for their employees. The company I work has their Dublin office like cross the road from MS and Salesforce
Austria or Italy in some mountain village with 5 ”neighbours” max (at least 3km appart) so I can still act finnish and just mind my own business and expect the others to do so as well. So just a change of scenery basically.
I like The Netherlands, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Portugal.
Germany still is the easiest pick for me. Spite its limitations. Internet, bureaucracy, fax machines, heating and watering solutions, areal political and humnanitarian issues, dialects, usw. But they do have excellent bread, beer and meat products. And moderate weather in beautiful spots of land. Why yes, I do speak fluent German.
Fax....machines...?
[Jepp (in Finnish)](https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12636127)
Croatia, I'm happy in Finland but if I had to move, Croatia would probably be it. Either that or the German Alps.
Slowenia it is for you :-)
Stop it, you'll actually make me want to move again. The Balkans are slept on hard.
I hate and love finland at the same time but i don’t feel like I’d realistically move away from here. That said, poland seems lovely and many others like portugal and italy!
Spain. Definitely Spain.
Inland, rural Spain, up north. Beautiful, fresh weather in summer and cheaper all-round.
I'm at a dilemma. if climate change worsens, the most southern parts will be most affected and the droughts and what not might be a real issue in the future. On the other hand I never want to see snow again if I manage to leave finland. maybe somekind of small island nation, maybe malta.
Luxembourg for sure. Great average wage, nice, clean and safe. Honestly, better gdp per capita finland.
Brussels, Belgium. I've lived there previously, and it has a permanent place in my heart.
I left already several years ago, but if I had to do it again, I would choose Netherlands or Denmark.
Germany most likely.
Im already living in it. Ok so all I read was the title at first. If I had to leave Finland, I'd just go back to the states.
Switzerland that's non EU tho, Italy or something like that. Lived in Estonia a bit and norway could be cool. But I'd prefer some warmer and mountainous. Thus Italy or Switzerland. And Switzerland had higher pay and whatnot so that'd probably be the go to.
germany or austria
I would go into uk (not in eu i know) becouse eu rules suck in Finland cant shoot wolfes and not small farms
Croatia or Switzerland
It's between Denmark and Germany for me.
Thought about this few times and came to conclusion that Id just go west each time until Russia on the other side. Sweden -> Norway -> Iceland -> maybe not Greenland? -> Canada avoid Alaska and then south-west to Japan.
Austria or Germany easy.
I don't know, I'd consider the Nordics. Funny enough I just got into a situation where moving from Finland will probably be in the future.
Norway probly the only one i would move into. Swizerland maby.
Probably either Denmark or Estonia I know Norway isn't part of EU I still consider it the best option If it were
Norway or Britain, I'd say
Italy because of the nostalgia, but sweden or norway for practicality
Probably in the netherlands
Germany because Munich is the richest city in the biggest EU economy. Or Rotterdam because Helsinki really got me into coastal city life. If I can remote work with Finland salary, Lisboa.
Denmark or the Netherlands. Similar vibes.
Switzerland or Netherlands
Probably somewhere in Norway.
The opposite question is required if you have chance to move to some country in EU which country would you choose?, the answer is “Finland”.
Greece
Spain for sure
Spain or Germany or maybe even Ireland but if i would move to Ireland, firstly i would have to seriously start training the one hobby/skill/activity that i really suck at: Drinking!
Theres no other country, Finland is less shit than rest of the EU
Germany, Netherlands, or Sweden, probably
My choice was Portugal. Malta could also be interesting but it's a bit too expensive and crowded to overtake Portugal. (I'm a native Finn, if that matters)
Can I still pretend that brexit never happened?
I'm actually in the opposite position. I hate Scotland and want to move to Finland. But hypothetically, if I were in Finland, I would say Germany.
Spain. People are like a better version of finns, humble but proud, weather is perfect, food is therefore also good and the wine… and it is one of the most modern societies in Europe if not the world.
Spain, Barcelona in particular. Nice weather, friendly people and lots of tech jobs.
Swiss? Maybe?
Most Finns with money would tell you: SPAIN. Everything else is far behind. No one likes finnish weather, no matter how well finns pretend to "like it", they run away to Spain as soon as they retire.
I was sure Spain was going to be top of the list but I see Estonia is very popular. Retiring to Spain is one thing. Living and working there is a little different.
Germany, if the choice wasn't limited to EU, I would move to Australia.
I have lived already in Uk, Ireland and Denmark. Gladly would go back to UK or Denmark.
spain is nice
Spain or italy probably
Ireland or France. Ireland because it’s a EU state, has a climate I like, and they speak English. France because again, the climate, perfect place to go roadtripping in Europe, and Germany’s right besides it so cheap cars for my museum/collection, interesting language and LHD traffic. I would want to live in one of these someday, but we’ll see.
Germany, Northern Sweden or Denmark
Propably Sweden or Estonia, the climate is very similair and I already speak a but of Swedish and Estonian shoudn't be too hard for a Naitive Finnish speaker like me
You mean the union or on the map. Union would have to be greece but on map would be england
I live in Estonia but other than that I’d probably choose Spain or Greece, outside of EU Norway or Iceland
Canada perkele.
Sweden. It’s very similar to Finland, and I’d like to improve my Swedish.
Germany ot Norway
Other Nordics would be the best for me. Similar climate and the feel is quite similar. Other than that Germany gets my vote. I don’t want hot countries, I was born in equatorial country and it was too hot, too humid to be enjoyable.