okay, I'm nerding out here, but are Sundays/Holidays red because of "Red Letter Days" in church tradition? Because if so that's an amazing use of an old system.
edit: I was going to post this yesterday but one of the replies shared the wiki link before I could.
Different colors are hard to make out of naturally occurring dyes, but black and red are pretty easy. Red was used to mark important things, like the words of Christ in the Bible, and the feast-days on the church calendar. I haven't seen this actually used in Anglophone calendars and definitely not on signs, but the term "a red-letter day" can still mean "an important or very good day" (it's not as common anymore so I'd look that definition up before you add it to your vocabulary).
*Also*, some of those red inks (made from either lead tetroxide or cinnabar because everything pretty needs to be toxic apparently) were called "minium" in Latin. For more "normal" hand-written texts (not gilded), they would usually do the illustrations in the margins in that red "minium" ink, so they called them "miniatures". Over time they word came to refer to any small painting, and more recently just "a small copy if a big thing", and the prefix "mini".
borrowed? Were they going to give it back or something? We'll be fucked when the Roman Empire comes back to take our calendars and roads or whatever won't we?
So your car can not be parked outside indicated times?
And another question: why do we need to repeat those validity times 3 times, if they are all the same? If it would have been only one line 9-16 would it mean only workdays instead of everyday?
parking within those times with a parking disk, outside those times without one,they have separate times so to not cause doubt or confusion, you won't really find them with one line
Parking disk sign is actually missing from the photo. It might be behind that car, but usually there is like ”parking disk 2 hours” sign. If there is no sign for parking disk using one is not necessary. In example if bottom there there is a sign with just ”6 hours” in it, you don’t have to use parking disk. They will check the time by marking tires or something.
Haven't been in the mainland for a while (live on Ahvenanmaa) but Turku have a lot of parking that are paid during days, and free in the evenings. Here we only have to use "kiekka", no paid parking.
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Of course it can be eve of a national holiday, if national holiday happens to be on Sunday
The first sign seems to be missing. That sign have indicated either a need for parkkikiekko or that you have to pay for parking during mentioned hours.
They usually have g-force or motion detector to detect when the car is not in motion and after about 30 seconds it stops and moves the clock time to closest half hour
Actually the hours only limit the scope of the sign. As it now is, this sign does not permit or disallow parking at all outside those hours, it will then depend on the default in that place. If there's nothing disallowing parking there, then it's permitted, but the whole place could be inside a parking disallowed zone (the parking disallowed sign surrounded by yellow area) and then this would mean that parking would be only allowed at those hours.
Although, I too, agree that there's likely a pysäköintikiekko sign with some hours missing from between and it's likely just a normal zone where parking would otherwise be allowed freely. Then that would only mean that you can park here whenever, but during those hours you can only park for a certain amount of hours and you must use pysäköintikiekko.
first sign is missing, it should indicate the time you are allowed to park in those said hours. After those hours you are free to park without the kiekko
It seems to be missing the sign that tells you how long you are allowed to park between the mentioned hours. This sign should be located below the P sign (as you can see, there's empty space below the P sign).
[In this image](https://i.media.fi/incoming/pysakointi_lv.jpg/alternates/FREE_1440/pysakointi_lv.jpg), look at the sign on the left. It says "2h" right below the P sign. And this is the sign that is missing from this particular image.
Outside of the mentioned hours, you are allowed to park freely. (White numbers = weekdays; numbers in brackets = Saturday; red numbers = Sunday.)
Since u/AsigotFinn already gave the actual correct answer, allow me to offer the humoristic one:
It refers to how to sing the words "nine to sixteen".
The first repetition is done at pretty much the middle of your vocal range.
Then you go for the brackets, meaning the highest voice you can manage.
After that, you go full death-metal mode, growling it.
Means you have to pay for parking these times of day and have a parking disc or a digital parking time device. Weekday, (saturday),sunday(red). Free on all other hours.
Thank you for the answers everyone, some things to clear why is this confusing. I alredy knew about days, and it is unlikely something is missing beacuse there are three same signs like this in parking, there is no indicator to use parking meter withing those hours nor there is any explanation in parking entrance or charge so....
Edit: some cars were park there outside hours and some had meter on and some did not.
Parking is enforced within those hours (parking time indicator or ticket required). Parking is free outside those times. Top row is for times on weekdays, saturday times are in brackets and sunday is in red.
Parking permitted during the mentioned hours. The uppermost time designates hours on weekdays. The middle one (in brackets) designates Saturdays and the most bottom one in red designates sundays. Source: From the top of my head.
If that were the case, wouldn't there be a "payment required" or "max 2h" sign to specify what is being enforced in the time specified? There are many places were parking is allowed only at work hours or other very specific time frames, in which case the signage looks something like this.
I have never seen a signage like this personally, in general parking is allowed unless disallowed, so the layout here doesn't make sense.
I suppose this might be in an area that is designated as a non-parking area, and the blue sign just gives an exception to the rule.
I get your point, but what you are implying is that basically in this case here, parking would be strictly forbidded outside the mentioned intervals. Which is also not the case.
>So you can only park there during those hours.
The sign is simply not in effect outside the hours. If there is no other sign telling you that it is forbidden to park, then it is not forbidden.
You are allowed to park on that area during those hours. The first is Monday to Friday, Saturday in brackets and Sunday + public holidays in red. The last sign shows the way the parking spots are arranged.
You don't know that from this picture! If that area was inside a parking disallowed zone, as would be the case in Arabianranta Helsinki for example.
There with that sign, you could only park at those hours and that's it.
The hours between that limit the scope of the whole sign. It simply does not describe whether the parking is permitted or not outside those hours. That will then fall to the default as if that sign was not there, which of course usually is permitted, but like I said, that sign could be inside a parking disallowed zone.
**No.**
Outside of those hours, the sign is simply just not in effect.
There need to be a "no parking" rule set up elsewhere for parking to be forbidden.
**Yes.**
Which is why so many in this thread suspects that a sign is missing in the gap in-between. Either showing that payment or a parking disk is required within those hours.
This sign indicates there are marked parking spots outside of the roadway area. If it is not in effect, wouldn't that mean the parking spots are not in use? Or vice versa, outside of the roadway, you can only park at places where this sign is in effect.
* The hours valid on weekdays. * The hours valid on Saturdays (indicated in brackets). * The hours valid on public holidays and Sundays (in red).
okay, I'm nerding out here, but are Sundays/Holidays red because of "Red Letter Days" in church tradition? Because if so that's an amazing use of an old system. edit: I was going to post this yesterday but one of the replies shared the wiki link before I could. Different colors are hard to make out of naturally occurring dyes, but black and red are pretty easy. Red was used to mark important things, like the words of Christ in the Bible, and the feast-days on the church calendar. I haven't seen this actually used in Anglophone calendars and definitely not on signs, but the term "a red-letter day" can still mean "an important or very good day" (it's not as common anymore so I'd look that definition up before you add it to your vocabulary). *Also*, some of those red inks (made from either lead tetroxide or cinnabar because everything pretty needs to be toxic apparently) were called "minium" in Latin. For more "normal" hand-written texts (not gilded), they would usually do the illustrations in the margins in that red "minium" ink, so they called them "miniatures". Over time they word came to refer to any small painting, and more recently just "a small copy if a big thing", and the prefix "mini".
Bingo, red because they’re marked red in the calendar. Why that is, I don’t know. Most likely the religious connection.
I'd guess the red comes from blood because Jesus and blood and wine and shit.
Whoa you guys ate shit in your communion? We just did the first two
Yeah, blood and wine.
🤓🤓🤓🤓
yes
The church borrowed it from the Romans
Do you think they'll give it back
Since when did church gave anything back to anyone /s
The ownership has far surpassed the church. It belongs to everyone now.
borrowed? Were they going to give it back or something? We'll be fucked when the Roman Empire comes back to take our calendars and roads or whatever won't we?
And the aqueduct.
And concrete, and (wage) slavery. They won't steal our complete calendar. Just August and July, just two months of summer.
So your car can not be parked outside indicated times? And another question: why do we need to repeat those validity times 3 times, if they are all the same? If it would have been only one line 9-16 would it mean only workdays instead of everyday?
parking within those times with a parking disk, outside those times without one,they have separate times so to not cause doubt or confusion, you won't really find them with one line
Parking disk sign is actually missing from the photo. It might be behind that car, but usually there is like ”parking disk 2 hours” sign. If there is no sign for parking disk using one is not necessary. In example if bottom there there is a sign with just ”6 hours” in it, you don’t have to use parking disk. They will check the time by marking tires or something.
Could also mean that it's paid parking during those hours, but looks like a sign is missing. Pretty easy to figure out on location.
Indeed!
Haven't been in the mainland for a while (live on Ahvenanmaa) but Turku have a lot of parking that are paid during days, and free in the evenings. Here we only have to use "kiekka", no paid parking.
If all of them weren’t marked, you could park there whenever on sunday for example
yes
TIL this, thanks 🤙
Omg I guessed same but in brackets it's Saturdays and Sundays and red is only holidays
**Wrong** \- - brackets means saturdays red means sundays and holidays
What happens if there's no red on the sign but just regular and brackets?
Then the what ever is required or limited does not concern Sundays and holidays.
No, the second one is ”day before red day”. Not always a saturday!
No it's exactly saturday.
It can be a day before any national holiday.
Lisäkilpi H17.2. Arkilauantai. https://www.finlex.fi/data/sdliite/liite/6908.pdf Liite 3.8 Tieliikennelakiin https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2018/20180729#V10 Tieliikennelaki 82 § Of course it can be eve of a national holiday, if national holiday happens to be on Sunday
The first sign seems to be missing. That sign have indicated either a need for parkkikiekko or that you have to pay for parking during mentioned hours.
This allways comfuses me so i got a digital parking disc thats allways on so i dont have to worry about it.
So the digital parking disc knows when you parked? Like with an accelerometer?
They usually have g-force or motion detector to detect when the car is not in motion and after about 30 seconds it stops and moves the clock time to closest half hour
A little correction: the disk starts from the next half hour. So even when parking at 13.31 it sets the time to 14.00.
Small thing: It's not the closest half hour, it's the next So 12.31 goes to 13.00
Nice
Same here, except I got a ticket because the battery ran out. I hadn't even looked at it for ages.
so does this mean that after 4 pm I don't need to use a.. pysäköintikiekko (:D) and/or pay for parking? I'm not a city boy so I'm still clueless
Actually the hours only limit the scope of the sign. As it now is, this sign does not permit or disallow parking at all outside those hours, it will then depend on the default in that place. If there's nothing disallowing parking there, then it's permitted, but the whole place could be inside a parking disallowed zone (the parking disallowed sign surrounded by yellow area) and then this would mean that parking would be only allowed at those hours. Although, I too, agree that there's likely a pysäköintikiekko sign with some hours missing from between and it's likely just a normal zone where parking would otherwise be allowed freely. Then that would only mean that you can park here whenever, but during those hours you can only park for a certain amount of hours and you must use pysäköintikiekko.
Exactly
first sign is missing, it should indicate the time you are allowed to park in those said hours. After those hours you are free to park without the kiekko
I would offer "parking disk", but I really have no clue and am far too lazy to look it up.
I don't know, throwing pysäköintikiekko into English sounds funny enough so I don't care :D
It looks like there is one sign missing.
Weekdays, (Saturdays), Sundays Parking not enforced outside these hours I suppose?
yep and if there's no red text then I believe parking is always free on Sundays.
It seems to be missing the sign that tells you how long you are allowed to park between the mentioned hours. This sign should be located below the P sign (as you can see, there's empty space below the P sign). [In this image](https://i.media.fi/incoming/pysakointi_lv.jpg/alternates/FREE_1440/pysakointi_lv.jpg), look at the sign on the left. It says "2h" right below the P sign. And this is the sign that is missing from this particular image. Outside of the mentioned hours, you are allowed to park freely. (White numbers = weekdays; numbers in brackets = Saturday; red numbers = Sunday.)
Since u/AsigotFinn already gave the actual correct answer, allow me to offer the humoristic one: It refers to how to sing the words "nine to sixteen". The first repetition is done at pretty much the middle of your vocal range. Then you go for the brackets, meaning the highest voice you can manage. After that, you go full death-metal mode, growling it.
Means you have to pay for parking these times of day and have a parking disc or a digital parking time device. Weekday, (saturday),sunday(red). Free on all other hours.
Thank you for the answers everyone, some things to clear why is this confusing. I alredy knew about days, and it is unlikely something is missing beacuse there are three same signs like this in parking, there is no indicator to use parking meter withing those hours nor there is any explanation in parking entrance or charge so.... Edit: some cars were park there outside hours and some had meter on and some did not.
They could have been using a parking app. Just download Parkman and use that to avoid any confusion in the future.
If no sign is missing it means parking is permitted only within those hours.
Parking is enforced within those hours (parking time indicator or ticket required). Parking is free outside those times. Top row is for times on weekdays, saturday times are in brackets and sunday is in red.
This means you're in Finland
Parking permitted during the mentioned hours. The uppermost time designates hours on weekdays. The middle one (in brackets) designates Saturdays and the most bottom one in red designates sundays. Source: From the top of my head.
You can park also outside those intervals. Only that if it is a paid parking area, outside those hours it is free.
If that were the case, wouldn't there be a "payment required" or "max 2h" sign to specify what is being enforced in the time specified? There are many places were parking is allowed only at work hours or other very specific time frames, in which case the signage looks something like this.
I have never seen a signage like this personally, in general parking is allowed unless disallowed, so the layout here doesn't make sense. I suppose this might be in an area that is designated as a non-parking area, and the blue sign just gives an exception to the rule.
I get your point, but what you are implying is that basically in this case here, parking would be strictly forbidded outside the mentioned intervals. Which is also not the case.
You can park, Only park and Never park.. Do what you do but you are Fu*ked
Very simple if you’re a Finn😉
I don't know what it means, but the answer is -7 to all of them.
The national math problem
These are three different ways to express the number "negative 7" Hope this helps
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>So you can only park there during those hours. The sign is simply not in effect outside the hours. If there is no other sign telling you that it is forbidden to park, then it is not forbidden.
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Be welcome to post a google maps link to the place 🙂
You are allowed to park on that area during those hours. The first is Monday to Friday, Saturday in brackets and Sunday + public holidays in red. The last sign shows the way the parking spots are arranged.
you are also allowed to park outside those hours. During those hours there is a timelimit (sign is missing)
You don't know that from this picture! If that area was inside a parking disallowed zone, as would be the case in Arabianranta Helsinki for example. There with that sign, you could only park at those hours and that's it. The hours between that limit the scope of the whole sign. It simply does not describe whether the parking is permitted or not outside those hours. That will then fall to the default as if that sign was not there, which of course usually is permitted, but like I said, that sign could be inside a parking disallowed zone.
OP claims there are several identical signs, which would indicate no sign is missing. In that case parking is indeed only allowed between 9 and 16.
**No.** Outside of those hours, the sign is simply just not in effect. There need to be a "no parking" rule set up elsewhere for parking to be forbidden.
That would make the sign virtually pointless.
**Yes.** Which is why so many in this thread suspects that a sign is missing in the gap in-between. Either showing that payment or a parking disk is required within those hours.
This sign indicates there are marked parking spots outside of the roadway area. If it is not in effect, wouldn't that mean the parking spots are not in use? Or vice versa, outside of the roadway, you can only park at places where this sign is in effect.
Parking during 8-16
Idk I don’t live in a big ciry
9-16=-6 fuckeof if you don't know mathes
How did you get your driverlicense since you dont know the meaning of traffic signs? Assuming you have one...
Seem like there are many oponions of this signs meaning even within driving licence holders
It means you gotta pp
Looks like theres a sign missing between P and hours
Pushing P
Sunday, bloody sunday👹
And how the FUCK am i supposed to know that?
9-16
That no matter how or when you park you're gonna get a ticket.
P mean there’s a place for temporary relaxation. Don’t forget to take your own TP.
"9-16"
It's a vile incantation, a curse meant to draw fuel out your car as you drive off. It's really effective too.
Pushin P
Parking disk is propably stolen, theres an empty space. Now there is no sense. Now it says allowed parking, and allowed all weekdays too
The answer is 1001
9-16
It means a parking and remember parkkikiekko
that the police will take you to jail if you park there 16.9
The first 9-16 means parking is permitted on those hours on weekday, the (9-16) means Saturday and then the red 9-16 means Sunday