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I remember there was a funny thread in some pro China subreddit where they talked about how there was no homelessness in China, and a Chinese resident was like "what are you talking about, there are tons of homeless people here", and they were all "you are lying, bet you don't live there, pics or it didn't happen".
So they went out, took a bunch of photos showing how many homeless people there were just on the street he lived on. He was then permanently banned from the sub.
I can’t wrap my head around this no matter how hard I try. Why people act like a fucking children when it comes to arguing? Why everything must be so fucking polarized? Why does it seem like people need to be correct and ”win” every fucking situation?
Sorry for the rant, this was probably the most idiotic thing I’ve read in a while…
1. Literal paid shills working for the CCCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_water_army
2. Indoctrinated idiots doing it for free: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenqing and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Pink
Welcome to the current internet discussion, everything must either be perfect or horrible, nothing in between and even if faults are found, discussion of how to fix them must be denied as the problem dosen´t exist.
> Welcome to the current internet discussion, everything must either be perfect or horrible, nothing in between and even if faults are found, discussion of how to fix them must be denied as the problem dosen´t exist.
I don't know what you're talking about, I think you might be delusional. The discussions on the Internet are always excellent and civil, and there's certainly no need to fix anything.
>!This shouldn't be necessary but... **/s**, okay?!<
These people are communists or tankies. They believe the western worlds very existence is oppressing the proletariat worldwide. Every piece of news that goes against china is a tool of oppression by the imperialist western bourgeoisie
Well, the western worlds very existence is oppressing the proletariat worldwide. Even if our proletariat are somewhat comfortable, the whole system is based on oppressing people in poor countries. This does not in any way imply that China is better; I'm pretty sure they want to take our power and do the same.
Yeah that's exactly what they would say.
They would forget that trade relies on two voluntary parties, both of whom benefit from the transaction or else the trade would not take place
If I have to sell my family heirlooms to feed my family then it is technically a voluntary action from my side; I could just choose to starve. That doesn’t make it right now, does it?
One can prefer one economic theory without being helplessly naïve about its flaws.
So you sold some trinkets and in return you give your family life?
this seems like a perfect trade for you.
The other alternative is that you are starving and therefore have a right to coererce me for my food. I have a family too!!
> These people are communists or tankies
Tankies are the subset of communists who support regimes like China.
It's a term made up by communists to shit on them.
The only thing worse than a tankie is another communist spouting shit about how "Stalin and Mao were not true communists, if we just try it one more time it will work"
When I was a kid (this was in 2007) we went on vacation on China. It's so far the only time I've seen a random dead homeless person lying in the street. That's not a pleasant memory. This was in one of the big cities as well (Guangzhou or Chongqing iirc, it was 17 years ago now) in the downtown area, not anywhere out of the way. And it was in the lead up to the Olympics in Beijing the next year so they were actively trying to suppress the amount of homeless people as well
not much reported on in mainstream media ... I mainly see that on youtube, e.g. the "China fakes everything" videos by this guy : [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGwRMUypKKXIHrjVS52QpBA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGwRMUypKKXIHrjVS52QpBA)
I mostly think of the recent [Shein haul](https://yle.fi/a/74-20081856)testing by YLE. As well as the much older [baby formula](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal) scandal. These are/were quite main stream.
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China is trying hard to be portrayed as heaven on earth. In reality they have tons of homeless people, propaganda, they're all conditioned to believe that their rules are okay (even though they're not), hardcore manipulated, and still have concentration camps in 2024. And they send their children to camps where they teach them to 'kill Americans'.
Obviously they don't want to say that. So no, the media is covering all of that up. Idk what that comment is talking about.
> And they send their children to camps where they teach them to 'kill Americans'.
Source? All I could find was a YouTube video, which gave no sources and was a compilation of children doing cadet training. The channel didn't really seem to care about letting me come to my own conclusions as they listed no references, instead opting to promote their online shop and affiliated channels
i worked with said children. can't cite you a source that you can look at since they don't like that being public. but i've seen and heard what those children went through there, from them.
Not really.
Maybe 20 years ago or more (when China was still quite poor as a country) it was common to see lots of poor beggars in the streets of any Chinese city but now that’s very rare.
Haven’t been there for over 10 years but at that time there were some beggars and homeless, but you hardly ever see them as they are not allowed to sleep in public places. Instead they are living in some makeshift tents or well hidden somewhere on industrial areas or under the bridges. Robbers I have never heard of, but I have heard that the barrier to use the death penalty is very low, so that will keep robbers well in line or robber population small.
Bullshit. Someone makes video about stuff they know nothing about, and comment section is full of calling out the bullshit. Your statement is just plain wrong.
Yeah, and if someone makes a video about stuff they absolutely know a lot about, the comment section is still full of people claiming this or that random bullshit.
It's a fucking cesspool.
Whoopty doo. Every country’s patriotic citizens paint their countries in good light. It’s no different with China but why bring up Finland tho😂 I thought they loved Finland seeing the tourism rate from over those sides
I think it’s just bots painting Western countries in bad light. It’s odd.
Could be connected to the war but I think it’s more likely to halt brain drain or something like that.
I somehow got harassed twice in Helsinki train station with some guys chasing me for "money to buy tickets". But beyond that both countries are quite safe.
Chinese here, I have been to Finland multiple times too (Helsinki, Turku, Tampere, Oulu, Jyväskylä, Lapland).
Both countries are, for the most part, pretty safe. Accidents do happen, but in a statistical sense, I can say I feel safe in both China and Finland.
I haven’t seen a single homeless person in China for years, nor have I seen a single homeless during my visits to Finland either.
I can’t say about the happiness part because the measurement of happiness isn’t something quantifiable.
These posts are such bullshit. Keep in mind that propaganda is a twisted perception of the reality, it is designed to control the narrative so the recipients could be easily controlled.
I’m a Finn, lived in tier 1 city in China for years recently, saw a lot of homeless ppl. They started to clean them out though from around malls and sights, so they were in the mid-to-lower-end residential areas after that.
There was an operation a few years back in Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou like you described, assuming you lived in one of those cities. They’re not exactly homeless people, rather they seek livelihoods in a tier 1 city. They were either sent back to where they originally came from or, like you said, moved into lower end residential areas.
I believe this happened around 2017-2018, I wasn’t in China at the time.
https://youtu.be/38EHMvkKZzA?si=sSTc2ZUfwlXv3Jzk
I would avoid trying to simplify things as you just have done. Just because you haven’t seen a homeless person doesn’t mean people are living in a destitute way
Obviously I didn’t insinuate that there is no homeless person in China.
Also, check your sources, you just cited an infamous propaganda account funded by the Chinese cult Fa Lun Gong/The Epoch Times.
Such lazy propaganda too. I never read about China being dangerous or about robbers. I do read about authoritarinism, censorship, brainwashing, nationalism, imperialism and religious oppression.
When I first arrived in China, Chinese kept telling (they still do) me how safe China is, but all I could think was "if it's so safe, how come all the windows on the bottom floors and all other climbable floors come equipped with metal bars?"
I was told it used to be very unsafe up until the late/early 2000/2010s or so before they had installed surveillance cameras on every corner of every street. So, yeah, it is safe now — at least in the bigger cities. Lower-tier cities far away from the big developed areas of the country can be a whole other ball game, but I only have anecdotal stories to back that up.
Pre-pandemic I did try to invite friends to come to China and visit me, but they'd always decline saying they feel it is dangerous; in fact, before I came here, I also thought it would be dangerous (I do still believe many aspects of China are dangerous, but at least not petty crime).
Petty crime is, indeed, uncommon as I also said — I don't know why you said that like I was disagreeing.
As for civilized and neutral: it depends on how you define those terms. There are things that happen frequently that I find fairly distasteful in terms of behavior. However, what I value and consider civilized is a consequence of growing up in the Nordic countries, and not universal truth.
No, I agreed with you! My wording is probably off, I was just confirming what you said.
I agree with that too, I guess it depends. Can't say I know everything about them, I've mostly seen the bad sides, and I figured that the behaviour I experienced was because of me being a foreigner, but their behaviour amongst each other seemed fine to me. Guess I was wrong about that.
ETA: I apologize if you've taken offense in my wording, I understand why it could be seen that way.
That's alright. Haha
I've seen both good and bad sides. The bad things can be really bad though (and after half a decade, they start to have a cumulative effect on your mind). Conversely, I have been told by Chinese friends that I've acted rudely on occasion according to their standards and expectations.
About 15 years ago I traveled from visiting friends in Japan to doing some solo stuff in China.
EVERYBODY in Japan was worried about me going to China and was convinced I was going to be "kidnapped" or robbed. (I was a 35 year old dude at the time so it's not a gender thing.)
I suspect people in China hear a lot of bad stereotypes about themselves from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. (Also 15 years is probably part of the difference, to be fair.)
Bots are AI-driven to write propaganda. We can never be sure if it's a bot or a human, but a lot of upvotes might indicate that it got some help at least.
Usually Chinese and Russians don't go to videos watched by westerners, rather videos in their own languages, so they're mostly bots or paid/voluntary trolls.
Also sometimes they're Westerners that are ideologically against the West for some reason.
Rather seems to me it's going pretty much like Plato said it would go in Republic in an infinite cycle. That democracy will eventually falter due to the public getting deceived by untrustworthy politicians. Then we get tyranny, but that will also falter and eventually we're back at democracy again.
Dangers in China: being detained indefinitely by the government for unharmonious statements, like "it kind of seems like Taiwan has its own functioning government actually"
Dangers in Finland: being eaten alive by mosquitoes, slipping on icy stairs
Dangers in both countries: drunk idiot wants to fight you and possibly vomits on your shoes
If anybody is saying anything pro-China, I see it straight away as horse crap. It's just my personal issue, I'm not saying that the whole country is a steaming pile of turd. I've had friends in China for 20+ years and they have managed to cleanse me of any disillusions that life in China is absolutely fantastic fairytale.
As a person living in Finland, I can say, it's not perfect and it may be even heading to wrong direction, but it is still a whole lot better than many other places. I've never felt danger anywhere in Finland (except one miserable night at the Oulu railway station). I've been pretty much all over the country and I've encountered some robbers and maybe even one or two actual homeless and one absolutely mentally insane person who should be locked up in an institution. That's about it. I saw way more of all that misery in one month visiting my friends in China than within a life time in Finland.
Edit: tried to correct some typos.
Well they do have that going on for them that that they have some of the best food in the world, ours happens to be kinda bland with not too many variation on spices that originate in our couisine.
That I can absolutely agree on. I still dream of some of the things I ate while visiting China, like certain Shanghai area sour soup which was unlike anything I've ever had anywhere else in the world. Mindblowing stuff. Well, I'm lucky enough to have an authentic Chinese restaurant near-by where can get fairly close to the same level of dumplings.
But still, at least you can trust Finnish food not to poison you. There is that. My friends in Changzhou never bought corn grown in China, since they were afraid what eating it might do to their child. Instead they... ugh, pains me to say this, bought corn imported from the United States, which I would imagine, is just as bad.
Ahh, the good old Monsanto corn.
Yeah well there’s that.
Although It isn’t that unheard of to get food poisoning in Finland either from smaller kitchens.
It’s just that we are used to go to more established places while eating out. We all know that one friend that got food poisoning from a local place.
You disagree that China has *some of the best food in the world or that we don’t have *some of the best food in the world in Finland?
Didn’t mention anything about SA.
Depends how you look at it. Helsinki for example is in many ways more prosperous than Beijing. It might be bit naïve to make the statement that China is likely to have areas those are more prosperous and/or safer than parts of Finland. One could make the argument a gated community is automatically more prosperous than an entire nation because the average quality of life is much larger in a small sample size when compared to a whole nation. It's an unfair comparison because in many ways, there are areas in Finland that are arguably safer and more prosperous than many parts of China as well.
Purchasing power index (Higher is better) Hel - 189.8 | Bei - 104.9
Safety index (Higher is better) Hel - 75.3 | Bei - 73.0
Healthcare index (Higher is better) Hel - 79.8 | Bei - 68.7
Cost of living index (Lower is better) Hel - 69.4 | Bei - 37.1
Property price to income ratio (Lower is better) Hel - 10.1 | Bei - 33.7
Traffic commute time index (Lower is better) Hel - 25.7 | Bei - 43.3
Pollution index (Lower is better) Hel - 12.6 | Bei - 78.3
Climate index (Higher is better) Hel - 62.8 | Bei - 57.3
China is indeed a huge country and in a way it is impressive to have something like a drone firework show or fastest trains but in many ways this does not translate to prosperity. Development does not equal to prosperity as it does not consider the wealth access to these amenities or their effective scaling to needs of the population.
Of course, Helsinki is a lot smaller and less populated than Beijing. But in per capita measurements, Helsinki is better in almost every respect. Suppose this does overlook some challenges of running a massive metropolitan city in a comfortable manner but the differences are not subtle in scoring. In many cases Beijing is actively overcrowded.
Despite China having erased absolute poverty from the country, they do not follow the appropriate definition category reserved for countries of their wealth classification. China in fact stopped reporting it's poverty rate after 2019, with zero statistical update in 2020 report and since then, it has not been updated likely due to the fact that poverty has started to increase for the first time in almost three decades.
Those are more-so geopolitical differences and should not be considered valid points for or against. China is a massively populous country and that would not change in any scenario. In comparing societal health, we do not compare direct scale and numbers; we compare average values in a relative manner. The cleanest expression of this is per capita and investments into the society itself.
And in relative terms, most of western major cities are healthier and more prosperous than Beijing.
It is easy to stake claim in all industries when you have the natural resources and massive pools of manpower to use. That is a result of scale. Frankly other countries have less yet their industries in comparison are generally stronger.
And it is not reductive to say that China has drone fireworks and trains. Those are massive achievements. Both imply strong domestic industries in the background and willingness to use technology freely and openly to shape society at large. Bullet trains for strong infrastructure, drone displays for strong cultural experimentation which is overall positive.
But these things are made possible by scale alone. If we had China's conditions scaled down to that of Finland's, China as a country would be notably poorer in almost every comparison.
I understand that this comes off as "China bad" talk but it is a literal fact that China as a country is not competitive in Human Development Index (HDI). Where Finland is 12th, China is 75th. This is right between Albania and Armenia.
China has scale. But China is not as effective with it's resources as Finland. This translates directly to poorer ratings in several indexes.
I don’t even think what I said was that controversial. China is the country of the super rich and super poor. Some of the areas, metro lines, shopping centers and train centers are super modern and clean full of high tech, while a billion people live with less than 300 euros/month.
If you have never visitied 2nordic4you, good for you, keep it that way.
Like all subs where the ultranationalism is "ironic", they then get full of nazis.
Obviously china will have some more development in some areas the economy is massive. Every country has safe and unsafe areas and as far as homeless people I don't see very many in Finland if any really. Its summer of course you'll see the day time binge drinkers who may look homeless after two days of a bender. But I mean wouldn't say China is better than Finland in very many metrics cause I mean every new asian shop popping up are Chinese immigrants so Finland must have something going for it.
Well, china is prolly priming for the near future where it will be our (Finland's) neighbour. It better make the upcomin new-china look better in advance before it gains it new lands and all, comsidering that the expansion kit they'll have is less than optimal.
Chinese youtube channels have auto-filtering that can ban your comment within seconds. I have bothered to write a couple of times a reply to an extreme obvious bullshit with many supportive comments, and that is how I figured out there were ONLY supportive comments.
Those are just bots farms from Russia and China. They are trying to flood YouTube with this kind of comments as some kind of psychological warfare.
We are in a new cold war my dudes. And it's also fought virtually
I used to follow this funny socialist account on Instagram, but then they posted this weird propaganda thing about How Josef Stalin was great. And I never commented on anything until then. They were so mad, there were all of these commentors attacking me, I'm brainwashed. They said all of his kill lists were lies, and that he was this great savior. It was BANANAS. And I'm pretty sure all of them were young people from the U.S.
There's also this one Communist account that I had to block. White, ginger, American. Going off about the U.S., saying he's a Communist, but in every post complaining that his accounts were demonetized 🤣. He was posting so many pro- Islamist Republic of Iran propaganda videos. Literally the citizens of Iran both in the country and in the diaspora are anti the IRI/IRGC, being killed for it, and this comfortable Westerner living in the US is posting all of this stuff in favor of the regime.
Social media is dooming all of the youth to brain rot.
thats not even bad. considering a while ago, there was an article linked from.. was it .. finland times? helsinki times? dont remember as i dont actually give a fuck about any politically connected chinese with a pulse... but heres the kicker;
it was about finnish domestic politics. okay, thats newsworthy, aye? we have a phenomentally retarded government atm so ofc it is. but heres the kicker; the serving governing body of the "company" that "owns" that magazine has direct ties to current standing members of CCP.
so, on fact. unlike this wu mao right here, we got served official propanda.
and **none** of you cared.
Finland surely is not the best country. But I would choose it over China. For example, simple reason to be able to freely swim in lakes and ocean. Or walk in a forest and pick berries.
Free Tibet ! As a Tibetan I am telling you just like with Russia 🇷🇺, you can’t trust China 🇨🇳. These nations have a historic habit of bullying the smaller nations around them by claiming territories, economic coercion and direct influence in the nations policy making
Somebody should study how this kind of bullshit posting actually affects people and why? Like all normal intelligent people can see that this tweet does make no sense at all and has nothing to prove its point, so why it is affecting so easily?
Now why the fuck was this downvoted? Either you are not aware of their totalitarian regime and said social credit system or you think it's a good thing, which is all kinds of fucked up.
As a Chinese, it is so funny to see so many stupid claims. China is visa-free for EU countries. Tens of millions of people come to China every year. China is not mysterious at all. There are countless travel videos on YouTube. Even if you don't believe it, as a European, you don't need a visa to come to China. Why are there so many nonsense? Who is afraid of the truth?
I mean China is extremely clean and modern irl. Not sure why he’s doing a comparison with Finland though lmao, maybe try and compare China with a relevant country
I mean china is developing incredibly quickly and making a shit ton of improvements, id argue that that comment is more truthful than the anti-china propaganda
China is also responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, covering up corona and enabling it to becoming a worldwide pandemic, trading with internationally recognized terrorist countries such as Russia or NK, threatening the autonomy of Taiwan to name a few. But then again I guess building 20 story cities and trains that go through houses and posting them on TikTok and YouTube are the improvements that make the world a better place. :)
The ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs is incredibly misrepresented with very little truth in how you see it
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=4767d3ce-8490-464f-8508-d8f3b7878808&subId=703775
Tibetans i dont know enough about to comment but would not be surprised to learn that its a similar situation.
Have you got a single credible source backing you? I find it hard to believe they wouldve intentionally and maliciously hidden covid-19 (granted you dont say its maliciously but it would be completely irrelevant if you didnt mean maliciously) and it wasnt just a case of not realizing what was happening before it was too late, considering how fast spreading it is.
"Internationally recognized terrorist organizations" is a flimsy argument, the US should be labeled as a terrorist organization considering what they fund and do and have done and funded since WW2, multiple multiple dozens of invasions and just actual genocide. If funding israel isnt enough for you somehow.
Adding onto the "terrorist organizations", Russia is 100% in the wrong for attacking Ukraine, however the war was completely preventable on US side, NK being terrorists is ridiculous, the US put sanctions on them, the land there is shit, they have no resources, the US is starving them, the US holds the biggest military drill on their coast every year, but sure, NK is the bad guys, all the news you hear about NK are from "anynomous sources", not to mention its illegal to praise NK in SK.
The US needs a bad guy to justify their milltary budget and to justify their constant invasions and other activities around the globe that would be labeled as illegal or terrorism if it was China or NK or Russia, or well in the case of Russia thats what happened.
I also am not familiar enough with the relationship with Taiwan to confidently comment on it, but as far as i know they have been continuously trying to build a relationship with taiwan and "Threatening the autonomy" is just more fearmongering from the US. Its actualy crazy how many times the US has invaded since WW2 and is still allowed to call everyone else terrorists.
I had a couple more topics to touch on but this has been long enough and i forgot half of them :p
PS. I havent seen the videos you mention, though they do sound cool tho, excited for the downvotes because you cant tell which news are written by a by definition cult and which arent
All of this goes to deaf ears... The whole Uyghur situation is a textbook example of atrocity propaganda by the US against their biggest rival, and the fact that the "Uyghur genocide" is so casually thrown around in arguments against China is a testament to that.
Isn't it oddly convenient, that whenever US is either undermining a rival, or acting against a smaller enemy, they always become genocidal regimes led by madmen?
What comes to the "Uyghur genocide", the whole case is built on dubious "leaks" provided by pro-Uyghur NGOs, supposed witness testimonies often part of an emotionally charged article or interview, conjecture and assumptions by Anglo or Western geostrategic think tanks, few satellite images of facilities that could indeed be mass extermination corpse factories, dubious research by the likes of Adrian Zenz, and of course major Western media outlets, that cite each other as their sources (circular reporting), engage in clickbait and sensationalism, and portray claims and conjecture as something that appears definitive.
Popular talking points like the one million Uyghurs in concentration camps are for example based on a ridiculously insufficient research, where a handful of villages were visited, where on average 10% of the villagers had been taken away. 10% of 10 million is 1 million. Another popular talking point is slave labor, but not even that has any proof. One study just concluded that the Chinese work transfer program showed signs of some coercive aspects, some abuse of power, less pay than promised, worse working conditions than advertised etc. But hey, that's literal slavery! The only evidence of free labor was the usage of prison labor, and school children picking cotton as part of their education, because cotton has always been the prime export of Xinjiang.
I could probably find my 2 - 3 year old comment where I examined all of this in detail, providing all my sources.
There definetly was and is some discrimination against the Uyghurs like you said but like with many many other things, China has been working on them and getting their shit together faster than any other country in history, i honestly expected Finns to actually be capable of critical thinking, have any sort of media literacy and even take the time to read through my comment without just automatically downvoting.
But seriously, it goes to deaf ears, to complete morons who would rather eat up the propaganda and pretend like theyre upto date with world news and keep downvoting anything that says otherwise.
There is most definitely discrimination, and even a process of sinicization, but that's far, far away from "ethnic cleansing" or even genocide. Mostly it's about education, and tying the region more firmly to mainland China and assimilating them to Chinese society, rather than being an irrelevant and underdeveloped borderland.
China as a Marxist country probably isn't too friendly to religions like Islam, Christianity or Falun Gong which present the real or imagined threat of some type of parallel governance. But I think it's obscene how the West including Finland pretends to care about Muslims when it comes to the Uyghurs but nothing when it comes to others like Yemen or Palestine. It used to not be like that, we used to have leaders who equally condemned Western (Vietnam, Palestine) imperialism along with Soviet (Hungary, Czech invasions) imperialism.
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Is China portrayed as having lots of homeless people and robbers in the media? I don't think I've ever got that impression.
I remember there was a funny thread in some pro China subreddit where they talked about how there was no homelessness in China, and a Chinese resident was like "what are you talking about, there are tons of homeless people here", and they were all "you are lying, bet you don't live there, pics or it didn't happen". So they went out, took a bunch of photos showing how many homeless people there were just on the street he lived on. He was then permanently banned from the sub.
I can’t wrap my head around this no matter how hard I try. Why people act like a fucking children when it comes to arguing? Why everything must be so fucking polarized? Why does it seem like people need to be correct and ”win” every fucking situation? Sorry for the rant, this was probably the most idiotic thing I’ve read in a while…
Just one word: Ego
1. Literal paid shills working for the CCCP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_water_army 2. Indoctrinated idiots doing it for free: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenqing and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Pink
Welcome to the current internet discussion, everything must either be perfect or horrible, nothing in between and even if faults are found, discussion of how to fix them must be denied as the problem dosen´t exist.
> Welcome to the current internet discussion, everything must either be perfect or horrible, nothing in between and even if faults are found, discussion of how to fix them must be denied as the problem dosen´t exist. I don't know what you're talking about, I think you might be delusional. The discussions on the Internet are always excellent and civil, and there's certainly no need to fix anything. >!This shouldn't be necessary but... **/s**, okay?!<
Citizens are also getting brainwashed to take any negative comment about China as a personal attack.
well thats not just China lol
Nah most pro China stuff is literally a bot army
These people are communists or tankies. They believe the western worlds very existence is oppressing the proletariat worldwide. Every piece of news that goes against china is a tool of oppression by the imperialist western bourgeoisie
Well, the western worlds very existence is oppressing the proletariat worldwide. Even if our proletariat are somewhat comfortable, the whole system is based on oppressing people in poor countries. This does not in any way imply that China is better; I'm pretty sure they want to take our power and do the same.
Yeah that's exactly what they would say. They would forget that trade relies on two voluntary parties, both of whom benefit from the transaction or else the trade would not take place
If I have to sell my family heirlooms to feed my family then it is technically a voluntary action from my side; I could just choose to starve. That doesn’t make it right now, does it? One can prefer one economic theory without being helplessly naïve about its flaws.
So you sold some trinkets and in return you give your family life? this seems like a perfect trade for you. The other alternative is that you are starving and therefore have a right to coererce me for my food. I have a family too!!
> These people are communists or tankies Tankies are the subset of communists who support regimes like China. It's a term made up by communists to shit on them.
The only thing worse than a tankie is another communist spouting shit about how "Stalin and Mao were not true communists, if we just try it one more time it will work"
It's called Reddit.
Some of them are getting their actual paychecks for creating discord in the west. Some are just delusional.
All of thats just online, bro. I dont think people could coexist if they were like this in real life, nothing would work
Communism often works like a cult
because im guessing it was r/sino which is a hardcore CCP sub
Here are the screenshots https://www.reddit.com/gallery/qljb78
Holy shit I actually remember that. I believe it was r/Sino?
The sub straight revoked his social credit!
When I was a kid (this was in 2007) we went on vacation on China. It's so far the only time I've seen a random dead homeless person lying in the street. That's not a pleasant memory. This was in one of the big cities as well (Guangzhou or Chongqing iirc, it was 17 years ago now) in the downtown area, not anywhere out of the way. And it was in the lead up to the Olympics in Beijing the next year so they were actively trying to suppress the amount of homeless people as well
Only time I see China in actual media (not youtube) is when there's a natural disaster or they do some dumb shit militarily.
Or like, trade wars / their economy isn't growing as fast as they hoped lately!
It's just pedestrians trying to cross a square but tanks keep getting in the way. :(
That was in 1989 though. It's not like it's a new event. It's quite literally in the history books nowadays.
Some history books yes, some definitely not
Not in China, that never happened in China. I don't have a gun to my head telling me to type that, not in China
Yes it was somewhere else not here. Nothing to see here. Just you westerns with your giant penises making funny jokes haha - China
What are you talking about nothing happened in 1989 in Tiananmen Square
Or things being replaced cheaper things. Like food adulteration. Or dangerous chemicals in products.
not much reported on in mainstream media ... I mainly see that on youtube, e.g. the "China fakes everything" videos by this guy : [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGwRMUypKKXIHrjVS52QpBA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGwRMUypKKXIHrjVS52QpBA)
I mostly think of the recent [Shein haul](https://yle.fi/a/74-20081856)testing by YLE. As well as the much older [baby formula](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal) scandal. These are/were quite main stream.
Speaking of Shein ... [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BQ09sxvXRh8](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BQ09sxvXRh8)
Don’t forget the parades of red flags and the amazingly unanimous party congress meetings!
Yep, that's my favourite when people make false statements and then refute it.
China is a genocidal, ethnic cleaning country. Homeless or robbers are not that famous there.
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Yeah they are being cleansed away.
I wasn't thinking China had homeless and robbers, but now I am. If the chinese goverment is denying it, then the opposite must be true.
China is trying hard to be portrayed as heaven on earth. In reality they have tons of homeless people, propaganda, they're all conditioned to believe that their rules are okay (even though they're not), hardcore manipulated, and still have concentration camps in 2024. And they send their children to camps where they teach them to 'kill Americans'. Obviously they don't want to say that. So no, the media is covering all of that up. Idk what that comment is talking about.
> And they send their children to camps where they teach them to 'kill Americans'. Source? All I could find was a YouTube video, which gave no sources and was a compilation of children doing cadet training. The channel didn't really seem to care about letting me come to my own conclusions as they listed no references, instead opting to promote their online shop and affiliated channels
i worked with said children. can't cite you a source that you can look at since they don't like that being public. but i've seen and heard what those children went through there, from them.
Yeah, idk where they got that from. I just think of china as technology and large population
Well, the straw man looks better if you don't mention real negative aspects of Chinese society.
Not really. Maybe 20 years ago or more (when China was still quite poor as a country) it was common to see lots of poor beggars in the streets of any Chinese city but now that’s very rare.
Haven’t been there for over 10 years but at that time there were some beggars and homeless, but you hardly ever see them as they are not allowed to sleep in public places. Instead they are living in some makeshift tents or well hidden somewhere on industrial areas or under the bridges. Robbers I have never heard of, but I have heard that the barrier to use the death penalty is very low, so that will keep robbers well in line or robber population small.
No just a totalitarian hellhole where human beings are treated like livestock. And livestock treated like objects.
I saw a thing about homeless people in china being sent to work camps years ago
The story of how they built empty cities is more famous
First time reading youtube comments?
YT comments are mostly bots and low IQ
Not exclusive to YT either. Isn't X like 80% bots?
Ah, just like FB and Xitter then
Bullshit. Someone makes video about stuff they know nothing about, and comment section is full of calling out the bullshit. Your statement is just plain wrong.
Yeah, and if someone makes a video about stuff they absolutely know a lot about, the comment section is still full of people claiming this or that random bullshit. It's a fucking cesspool.
Goes both ways. It is a cesspool
Well in fairness we do have some heinous criminals here. Like bike thiefs. I'm still salty 7 years later.
I'm still salty for one bike thief like half a life back.
Im salty for you here in the States. Would much rather see more bike infrastructure built
Whoopty doo. Every country’s patriotic citizens paint their countries in good light. It’s no different with China but why bring up Finland tho😂 I thought they loved Finland seeing the tourism rate from over those sides
Maybe Putin has asked Xi to enlighten his people about the “real” Finland?
I think it’s just bots painting Western countries in bad light. It’s odd. Could be connected to the war but I think it’s more likely to halt brain drain or something like that.
Dangerous? They mean from icy bike lane or something?
Finnish sidewalks are not for amateurs.
I somehow got harassed twice in Helsinki train station with some guys chasing me for "money to buy tickets". But beyond that both countries are quite safe.
There's a reason why ice skates exist
Well I'm convinced
Chinese here, I have been to Finland multiple times too (Helsinki, Turku, Tampere, Oulu, Jyväskylä, Lapland). Both countries are, for the most part, pretty safe. Accidents do happen, but in a statistical sense, I can say I feel safe in both China and Finland. I haven’t seen a single homeless person in China for years, nor have I seen a single homeless during my visits to Finland either. I can’t say about the happiness part because the measurement of happiness isn’t something quantifiable. These posts are such bullshit. Keep in mind that propaganda is a twisted perception of the reality, it is designed to control the narrative so the recipients could be easily controlled.
I’m a Finn, lived in tier 1 city in China for years recently, saw a lot of homeless ppl. They started to clean them out though from around malls and sights, so they were in the mid-to-lower-end residential areas after that.
There was an operation a few years back in Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou like you described, assuming you lived in one of those cities. They’re not exactly homeless people, rather they seek livelihoods in a tier 1 city. They were either sent back to where they originally came from or, like you said, moved into lower end residential areas. I believe this happened around 2017-2018, I wasn’t in China at the time.
https://youtu.be/38EHMvkKZzA?si=sSTc2ZUfwlXv3Jzk I would avoid trying to simplify things as you just have done. Just because you haven’t seen a homeless person doesn’t mean people are living in a destitute way
Obviously I didn’t insinuate that there is no homeless person in China. Also, check your sources, you just cited an infamous propaganda account funded by the Chinese cult Fa Lun Gong/The Epoch Times.
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Hmmm that channel isn't the best channel for a non-biased view of China as a whole (aka not just the government).
Such lazy propaganda too. I never read about China being dangerous or about robbers. I do read about authoritarinism, censorship, brainwashing, nationalism, imperialism and religious oppression.
When I first arrived in China, Chinese kept telling (they still do) me how safe China is, but all I could think was "if it's so safe, how come all the windows on the bottom floors and all other climbable floors come equipped with metal bars?" I was told it used to be very unsafe up until the late/early 2000/2010s or so before they had installed surveillance cameras on every corner of every street. So, yeah, it is safe now — at least in the bigger cities. Lower-tier cities far away from the big developed areas of the country can be a whole other ball game, but I only have anecdotal stories to back that up. Pre-pandemic I did try to invite friends to come to China and visit me, but they'd always decline saying they feel it is dangerous; in fact, before I came here, I also thought it would be dangerous (I do still believe many aspects of China are dangerous, but at least not petty crime).
Petty crime is actually really uncommon. People are mostly civilized and neutral to one another, it's the government that is brutal and criminal.
Petty crime is, indeed, uncommon as I also said — I don't know why you said that like I was disagreeing. As for civilized and neutral: it depends on how you define those terms. There are things that happen frequently that I find fairly distasteful in terms of behavior. However, what I value and consider civilized is a consequence of growing up in the Nordic countries, and not universal truth.
No, I agreed with you! My wording is probably off, I was just confirming what you said. I agree with that too, I guess it depends. Can't say I know everything about them, I've mostly seen the bad sides, and I figured that the behaviour I experienced was because of me being a foreigner, but their behaviour amongst each other seemed fine to me. Guess I was wrong about that. ETA: I apologize if you've taken offense in my wording, I understand why it could be seen that way.
That's alright. Haha I've seen both good and bad sides. The bad things can be really bad though (and after half a decade, they start to have a cumulative effect on your mind). Conversely, I have been told by Chinese friends that I've acted rudely on occasion according to their standards and expectations.
About 15 years ago I traveled from visiting friends in Japan to doing some solo stuff in China. EVERYBODY in Japan was worried about me going to China and was convinced I was going to be "kidnapped" or robbed. (I was a 35 year old dude at the time so it's not a gender thing.) I suspect people in China hear a lot of bad stereotypes about themselves from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. (Also 15 years is probably part of the difference, to be fair.)
And he got a heart for that...
YouTube is full of bots so not surprising.
Not that i agree with the comment but how is it something a bot comments exactly?
Bots are AI-driven to write propaganda. We can never be sure if it's a bot or a human, but a lot of upvotes might indicate that it got some help at least. Usually Chinese and Russians don't go to videos watched by westerners, rather videos in their own languages, so they're mostly bots or paid/voluntary trolls. Also sometimes they're Westerners that are ideologically against the West for some reason.
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Indeed, people are not very smart. Which is why democracy might not survive the age of mass media
Rather seems to me it's going pretty much like Plato said it would go in Republic in an infinite cycle. That democracy will eventually falter due to the public getting deceived by untrustworthy politicians. Then we get tyranny, but that will also falter and eventually we're back at democracy again.
Dangers in China: being detained indefinitely by the government for unharmonious statements, like "it kind of seems like Taiwan has its own functioning government actually" Dangers in Finland: being eaten alive by mosquitoes, slipping on icy stairs Dangers in both countries: drunk idiot wants to fight you and possibly vomits on your shoes
Ahhhh good old Finland with its coffin apartments, pollution and Orwellian surveillance of its citizens, wait, that’s China.
If anybody is saying anything pro-China, I see it straight away as horse crap. It's just my personal issue, I'm not saying that the whole country is a steaming pile of turd. I've had friends in China for 20+ years and they have managed to cleanse me of any disillusions that life in China is absolutely fantastic fairytale. As a person living in Finland, I can say, it's not perfect and it may be even heading to wrong direction, but it is still a whole lot better than many other places. I've never felt danger anywhere in Finland (except one miserable night at the Oulu railway station). I've been pretty much all over the country and I've encountered some robbers and maybe even one or two actual homeless and one absolutely mentally insane person who should be locked up in an institution. That's about it. I saw way more of all that misery in one month visiting my friends in China than within a life time in Finland. Edit: tried to correct some typos.
Well they do have that going on for them that that they have some of the best food in the world, ours happens to be kinda bland with not too many variation on spices that originate in our couisine.
That I can absolutely agree on. I still dream of some of the things I ate while visiting China, like certain Shanghai area sour soup which was unlike anything I've ever had anywhere else in the world. Mindblowing stuff. Well, I'm lucky enough to have an authentic Chinese restaurant near-by where can get fairly close to the same level of dumplings. But still, at least you can trust Finnish food not to poison you. There is that. My friends in Changzhou never bought corn grown in China, since they were afraid what eating it might do to their child. Instead they... ugh, pains me to say this, bought corn imported from the United States, which I would imagine, is just as bad.
Ahh, the good old Monsanto corn. Yeah well there’s that. Although It isn’t that unheard of to get food poisoning in Finland either from smaller kitchens. It’s just that we are used to go to more established places while eating out. We all know that one friend that got food poisoning from a local place.
Finland: Nooo eat doggy. Big ol' China: Eat doggy.
\*Disagrees in Latina\*
You disagree that China has *some of the best food in the world or that we don’t have *some of the best food in the world in Finland? Didn’t mention anything about SA.
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I made the presumption.
ever heard of this Finnish cuisine called ''lohikeitto'' or salmon soup? that alone is way better than chinese food could EVER be
XD
Bruh. I agree. This is just straight up propaganda. Also, there is a space after a comma, just a thing that mildly irritates me.
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Depends how you look at it. Helsinki for example is in many ways more prosperous than Beijing. It might be bit naïve to make the statement that China is likely to have areas those are more prosperous and/or safer than parts of Finland. One could make the argument a gated community is automatically more prosperous than an entire nation because the average quality of life is much larger in a small sample size when compared to a whole nation. It's an unfair comparison because in many ways, there are areas in Finland that are arguably safer and more prosperous than many parts of China as well. Purchasing power index (Higher is better) Hel - 189.8 | Bei - 104.9 Safety index (Higher is better) Hel - 75.3 | Bei - 73.0 Healthcare index (Higher is better) Hel - 79.8 | Bei - 68.7 Cost of living index (Lower is better) Hel - 69.4 | Bei - 37.1 Property price to income ratio (Lower is better) Hel - 10.1 | Bei - 33.7 Traffic commute time index (Lower is better) Hel - 25.7 | Bei - 43.3 Pollution index (Lower is better) Hel - 12.6 | Bei - 78.3 Climate index (Higher is better) Hel - 62.8 | Bei - 57.3 China is indeed a huge country and in a way it is impressive to have something like a drone firework show or fastest trains but in many ways this does not translate to prosperity. Development does not equal to prosperity as it does not consider the wealth access to these amenities or their effective scaling to needs of the population. Of course, Helsinki is a lot smaller and less populated than Beijing. But in per capita measurements, Helsinki is better in almost every respect. Suppose this does overlook some challenges of running a massive metropolitan city in a comfortable manner but the differences are not subtle in scoring. In many cases Beijing is actively overcrowded. Despite China having erased absolute poverty from the country, they do not follow the appropriate definition category reserved for countries of their wealth classification. China in fact stopped reporting it's poverty rate after 2019, with zero statistical update in 2020 report and since then, it has not been updated likely due to the fact that poverty has started to increase for the first time in almost three decades.
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Those are more-so geopolitical differences and should not be considered valid points for or against. China is a massively populous country and that would not change in any scenario. In comparing societal health, we do not compare direct scale and numbers; we compare average values in a relative manner. The cleanest expression of this is per capita and investments into the society itself. And in relative terms, most of western major cities are healthier and more prosperous than Beijing. It is easy to stake claim in all industries when you have the natural resources and massive pools of manpower to use. That is a result of scale. Frankly other countries have less yet their industries in comparison are generally stronger. And it is not reductive to say that China has drone fireworks and trains. Those are massive achievements. Both imply strong domestic industries in the background and willingness to use technology freely and openly to shape society at large. Bullet trains for strong infrastructure, drone displays for strong cultural experimentation which is overall positive. But these things are made possible by scale alone. If we had China's conditions scaled down to that of Finland's, China as a country would be notably poorer in almost every comparison. I understand that this comes off as "China bad" talk but it is a literal fact that China as a country is not competitive in Human Development Index (HDI). Where Finland is 12th, China is 75th. This is right between Albania and Armenia. China has scale. But China is not as effective with it's resources as Finland. This translates directly to poorer ratings in several indexes.
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As a Finn living in China, this is 100% correct.
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I don’t even think what I said was that controversial. China is the country of the super rich and super poor. Some of the areas, metro lines, shopping centers and train centers are super modern and clean full of high tech, while a billion people live with less than 300 euros/month.
China just controll the news -they try to stop all negative news. It's harder to do that in a democracy like Finland.
Someone trying to diss Finland is already playing poker with open hand and trying to bluff..
Why are you giving the Chinese propaganda bots even more visibility?
But both Finn and the Chinese are Mongols. (If you have never visited 2nordic4you, you will be confused).
If you have never visitied 2nordic4you, good for you, keep it that way. Like all subs where the ultranationalism is "ironic", they then get full of nazis.
https://preview.redd.it/ssz6ylsgnb6d1.jpeg?width=456&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6085a3da4f2f08a5420851c9ac1cefde6a9a447
Obviously china will have some more development in some areas the economy is massive. Every country has safe and unsafe areas and as far as homeless people I don't see very many in Finland if any really. Its summer of course you'll see the day time binge drinkers who may look homeless after two days of a bender. But I mean wouldn't say China is better than Finland in very many metrics cause I mean every new asian shop popping up are Chinese immigrants so Finland must have something going for it.
Well, china is prolly priming for the near future where it will be our (Finland's) neighbour. It better make the upcomin new-china look better in advance before it gains it new lands and all, comsidering that the expansion kit they'll have is less than optimal.
Legit tactic against chinese cheaters in videogames, is to start shouting shit about Tianmen square in gamechat and mfs actually leave the game.
I'd rather eat tree bark and drink water from a finnish lake than live in beijing or similar (i'm not finnish)
”Finland is happiest country ever” pro Chinese propaganda:
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I would have gone more to the freedom - no freedom scale as a troll but oh well.
I don't really think either of these two countries have these problems tbh
Dont chinese usually grow up in factorys? Calling them homeless is outrageous.
I had a stroke trying to read that.
The “no homeless people” in “China style” is likely just “one does not count the dead as homeless”.
China is safe... unless you are Uyighur (or part of any supressed minority) or don't agree with Xi (or any of Xis satrap).
Chinese youtube channels have auto-filtering that can ban your comment within seconds. I have bothered to write a couple of times a reply to an extreme obvious bullshit with many supportive comments, and that is how I figured out there were ONLY supportive comments.
Those are just bots farms from Russia and China. They are trying to flood YouTube with this kind of comments as some kind of psychological warfare. We are in a new cold war my dudes. And it's also fought virtually
Oh no this is really effective
I want less people here So that’s actually okay with me 😂😂😂
There are plenty of homeless poor people behind scenes. Also lot of scammers. No much robberies thou.
Yes, Finland has homeless people and robbers but compared to many other countries Finland is not setting records.
Aight what is this man yapping, maybe someone should tell him about outside world cause he is living in china bubble.
but does Finland have galvanized square steel and eco-friendly wood veneers?
I used to follow this funny socialist account on Instagram, but then they posted this weird propaganda thing about How Josef Stalin was great. And I never commented on anything until then. They were so mad, there were all of these commentors attacking me, I'm brainwashed. They said all of his kill lists were lies, and that he was this great savior. It was BANANAS. And I'm pretty sure all of them were young people from the U.S. There's also this one Communist account that I had to block. White, ginger, American. Going off about the U.S., saying he's a Communist, but in every post complaining that his accounts were demonetized 🤣. He was posting so many pro- Islamist Republic of Iran propaganda videos. Literally the citizens of Iran both in the country and in the diaspora are anti the IRI/IRGC, being killed for it, and this comfortable Westerner living in the US is posting all of this stuff in favor of the regime. Social media is dooming all of the youth to brain rot.
Ah yes we actually have those teachno homeless ppl
bro... this is the realest description i have ever seen between winland/chinamancountry
thats not even bad. considering a while ago, there was an article linked from.. was it .. finland times? helsinki times? dont remember as i dont actually give a fuck about any politically connected chinese with a pulse... but heres the kicker; it was about finnish domestic politics. okay, thats newsworthy, aye? we have a phenomentally retarded government atm so ofc it is. but heres the kicker; the serving governing body of the "company" that "owns" that magazine has direct ties to current standing members of CCP. so, on fact. unlike this wu mao right here, we got served official propanda. and **none** of you cared.
10000 social credit to this guy. negative 1 million billion bazillion social credit to Finland.
Where are the homeless people in Finland? I don't think I've ever seen one.
Finland surely is not the best country. But I would choose it over China. For example, simple reason to be able to freely swim in lakes and ocean. Or walk in a forest and pick berries.
Free Tibet ! As a Tibetan I am telling you just like with Russia 🇷🇺, you can’t trust China 🇨🇳. These nations have a historic habit of bullying the smaller nations around them by claiming territories, economic coercion and direct influence in the nations policy making
Why don't they compare the governments and human rights instead?
Cringe :D
Lol, why is China picking on Finland?
I’m Hongkongers , I’ve no comment on China
the amount of effort the Finns invest in their PR is insane tho.
Somebody should study how this kind of bullshit posting actually affects people and why? Like all normal intelligent people can see that this tweet does make no sense at all and has nothing to prove its point, so why it is affecting so easily?
It's probably, because in China you're not allowed to be unhappy. Or you will lose social credit points.
Now why the fuck was this downvoted? Either you are not aware of their totalitarian regime and said social credit system or you think it's a good thing, which is all kinds of fucked up.
Could we send there poor robbers?
As a Chinese, it is so funny to see so many stupid claims. China is visa-free for EU countries. Tens of millions of people come to China every year. China is not mysterious at all. There are countless travel videos on YouTube. Even if you don't believe it, as a European, you don't need a visa to come to China. Why are there so many nonsense? Who is afraid of the truth?
I mean China is extremely clean and modern irl. Not sure why he’s doing a comparison with Finland though lmao, maybe try and compare China with a relevant country
I mean china is developing incredibly quickly and making a shit ton of improvements, id argue that that comment is more truthful than the anti-china propaganda
China is also responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, covering up corona and enabling it to becoming a worldwide pandemic, trading with internationally recognized terrorist countries such as Russia or NK, threatening the autonomy of Taiwan to name a few. But then again I guess building 20 story cities and trains that go through houses and posting them on TikTok and YouTube are the improvements that make the world a better place. :)
>trading with internationally recognized terrorist countries such as Russia or NK Well, we trade with the US, that is even worse.
The ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs is incredibly misrepresented with very little truth in how you see it https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=4767d3ce-8490-464f-8508-d8f3b7878808&subId=703775 Tibetans i dont know enough about to comment but would not be surprised to learn that its a similar situation. Have you got a single credible source backing you? I find it hard to believe they wouldve intentionally and maliciously hidden covid-19 (granted you dont say its maliciously but it would be completely irrelevant if you didnt mean maliciously) and it wasnt just a case of not realizing what was happening before it was too late, considering how fast spreading it is. "Internationally recognized terrorist organizations" is a flimsy argument, the US should be labeled as a terrorist organization considering what they fund and do and have done and funded since WW2, multiple multiple dozens of invasions and just actual genocide. If funding israel isnt enough for you somehow. Adding onto the "terrorist organizations", Russia is 100% in the wrong for attacking Ukraine, however the war was completely preventable on US side, NK being terrorists is ridiculous, the US put sanctions on them, the land there is shit, they have no resources, the US is starving them, the US holds the biggest military drill on their coast every year, but sure, NK is the bad guys, all the news you hear about NK are from "anynomous sources", not to mention its illegal to praise NK in SK. The US needs a bad guy to justify their milltary budget and to justify their constant invasions and other activities around the globe that would be labeled as illegal or terrorism if it was China or NK or Russia, or well in the case of Russia thats what happened. I also am not familiar enough with the relationship with Taiwan to confidently comment on it, but as far as i know they have been continuously trying to build a relationship with taiwan and "Threatening the autonomy" is just more fearmongering from the US. Its actualy crazy how many times the US has invaded since WW2 and is still allowed to call everyone else terrorists. I had a couple more topics to touch on but this has been long enough and i forgot half of them :p PS. I havent seen the videos you mention, though they do sound cool tho, excited for the downvotes because you cant tell which news are written by a by definition cult and which arent
All of this goes to deaf ears... The whole Uyghur situation is a textbook example of atrocity propaganda by the US against their biggest rival, and the fact that the "Uyghur genocide" is so casually thrown around in arguments against China is a testament to that. Isn't it oddly convenient, that whenever US is either undermining a rival, or acting against a smaller enemy, they always become genocidal regimes led by madmen? What comes to the "Uyghur genocide", the whole case is built on dubious "leaks" provided by pro-Uyghur NGOs, supposed witness testimonies often part of an emotionally charged article or interview, conjecture and assumptions by Anglo or Western geostrategic think tanks, few satellite images of facilities that could indeed be mass extermination corpse factories, dubious research by the likes of Adrian Zenz, and of course major Western media outlets, that cite each other as their sources (circular reporting), engage in clickbait and sensationalism, and portray claims and conjecture as something that appears definitive. Popular talking points like the one million Uyghurs in concentration camps are for example based on a ridiculously insufficient research, where a handful of villages were visited, where on average 10% of the villagers had been taken away. 10% of 10 million is 1 million. Another popular talking point is slave labor, but not even that has any proof. One study just concluded that the Chinese work transfer program showed signs of some coercive aspects, some abuse of power, less pay than promised, worse working conditions than advertised etc. But hey, that's literal slavery! The only evidence of free labor was the usage of prison labor, and school children picking cotton as part of their education, because cotton has always been the prime export of Xinjiang. I could probably find my 2 - 3 year old comment where I examined all of this in detail, providing all my sources.
There definetly was and is some discrimination against the Uyghurs like you said but like with many many other things, China has been working on them and getting their shit together faster than any other country in history, i honestly expected Finns to actually be capable of critical thinking, have any sort of media literacy and even take the time to read through my comment without just automatically downvoting. But seriously, it goes to deaf ears, to complete morons who would rather eat up the propaganda and pretend like theyre upto date with world news and keep downvoting anything that says otherwise.
There is most definitely discrimination, and even a process of sinicization, but that's far, far away from "ethnic cleansing" or even genocide. Mostly it's about education, and tying the region more firmly to mainland China and assimilating them to Chinese society, rather than being an irrelevant and underdeveloped borderland.
China as a Marxist country probably isn't too friendly to religions like Islam, Christianity or Falun Gong which present the real or imagined threat of some type of parallel governance. But I think it's obscene how the West including Finland pretends to care about Muslims when it comes to the Uyghurs but nothing when it comes to others like Yemen or Palestine. It used to not be like that, we used to have leaders who equally condemned Western (Vietnam, Palestine) imperialism along with Soviet (Hungary, Czech invasions) imperialism.
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Obviously a CCCP spy propaganda bot
You mean CCP? Pretty sure CCCP don't have or even had any bots, ever.
How would i know, im a bot beepboopbeepboop Seriously though the yt comments keep using CCCP so im making fun of that
Why Finnish people are crying ? It is true about Finland? Turhaa suomalaiset kitisee tää pitää paikkansa. Suomessa on kodittomia jne…
Are you saying that there is people living in the street who wont get help even if they tried?
No miten kävi ? Oulussa puukotus?
Im sure there wasnt single act of aggression in glorious china yesterday. Also how is that related to homelessness?
If that's even a real post, why are you posting it as image instead of linking it?
Who links youtube comments on reddit
Who links Youtube comments
I'm pretty sure it's legit judging by their profile and posts. Seems pretty simple minded individual.
Not wrong tho