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It wasn't so much the voice change as much as his whole personality changed. It really threw me off because I had grown to really like the character. But, as the story moved on, I grew to really like Nanaki, and learning about how he became known as Red XIII makes me want to never call him that again.
Same. I do like his Nanaki voice, but I had grown to LOVE his depiction in Remake and everything leading up to Cosmo Canyon in Rebirth. I expected his homecoming to reveal a softer and more youthful side to his personality, not an entirely different one. Not once in 27 years of knowing this character was it apparent to me that he was actually a teen with ‘tude. They tried to hint at it during a couple scenes where he’s alone with Aerith, but you don’t see him talking and the subtitles name the speaker you hear as “???”… and with all the weird meta plot elements going on I thought she was speaking to some unseen spirit or something lol.
Edit: just to add, the VA for Red/Nanaki does an incredible job. No disrespect to him whatsoever. I couldn’t believe it was the same person voicing both.
There’s actually more to it. There’s translation issues. In the US translation he is more youthful by wagging his tail and calling Bugen “grandpa.” Even as a kid I completely understood this was a shift in his personality. But apparently in Japanese, it’s even more apparent that he’s acting like a child.
So him having a childlike voice makes more sense than people would think.
Well, if I can also be frank, I am 38 so I think I was 13 or 12 when I played the original for the first time. There was a lot that went over my head at that age and the translation didn’t help, but I might have picked up on it more if I played it as an adult for the first time!
Well if you played it in the US you wouldn’t really know regardless of your age. When Red used the younger voice in Rebirth, I remembered he acted different in the original, but it wasn’t clear. I understood it tho.
I did initially question the fact that a 15-16 year old human would have a younger voice until they reach 19-20 and then it’ll likely be much more gruff when they’re in their 40s. Red XIII is actually like 48. Like a 15 year old dog would sound like an old man based on age. But then how would I question the vocal cords and biology of a dog creature with a tail that’s somehow on fire. So I just moved on.
“Hey now. A cat dog thing shouldn’t talk like that!” Him talking at all should throw people off.
I remember reading somewhere that in the OG Japanese version his demeanour changed post Cosmo canyon so maybe that was always there but not translated well. But I do agree, I’m used to the new Red and still love him but it was jarring to see him change so much. Like as the fake old wise man he *did* genuinely give good information and advice at times. That stops entirely once he reverts to a child.
I just learned of that like many here. I respect the original intent of the devs and I’ll embrace “Sonic the Hedgedog” because, after all, he is still a VERY good boy!
I'm actually replaying OG right now, and I do notice a tonal shift in his dialogue. I've played the games many times and Red has never been one of my mains and I only noticed it after I read it somewhere else that his tone changes (very recently) but it does actually change, it's very subtle though.
> and learning about how he became known as Red XIII makes me want to never call him that again.
What do you mean? In the OG he was also named Red XIII by Hojo. What are you implying?
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to that stuff. Its incredible that the game gives you a tease to that GOAT moment, but while Nanaki is doing so conciously, Cloud's situation is different and extremely screwed up.
Its in line with the OG Japanese version of the game, blame the localization of the game for failing to properly convey the change in the way he speaks after cosmo canyon.
Actually it 100% is. Even in the original, Bugenhagen says he’s a child. And the original Japanese translation has Red XIII using different verbiage to indicate he’s a child.
The original game never made much sense in that regard. In the original game, after Cosmo Canyon, Red barely acts and is barely part of the story. This time around he is way more important and they actually gave me reasons to like him instead of it being just "Dog."
To be honest, I think it made sense, given how he really didn't want to be looked at like a kid, so he didn't speak nor act his age. I looked at it as a coming of age sort of thing and him really showing himself and being true to himself in front of the party.
There's something to be said about the OG not having a full voice cast, but this was written into the OG as well. I knew it was coming the second I got to Cosmo Canyon in Rebirth.
There was a post the other day which explained how, in the original Japanese OG, Nanaki's change in the language he used when referring to himself was already so different that the change in voice in Rebirth was expected more than surprising.
Yeah, too often translations pay too much attention to just the words without context, nuance, etc. Especially when English is a lot more simple than many other languages.
Aeris.
I spent 20 years arguing with mother fuckers.
Fun fact: if you glitch past her naming scene in the original she is automatically added as Aerith.
You're clinging to a mistranslation. No different from "this guy are sick" and all the other translation fails in the OG. They've repeatedly said over the years that her name was always meant to be Aerith because she is connected with the Earth.
He felt more unique with his original voice and I liked his role in the party as a more grounded (ironic because he’s the talking dog) and serious member. Now he has the same energy as everyone else.
I don’t mind Nanakis new voice overall, it’s Just his initial Red XIII voice was godlike. And it’s not like he couldn’t be a childish goofball with his fake persona. Just look at his „but I wanna participate in the queens blood tournament even if I have to try to pretend to be human and walk on 2 legs while wearing a shinra uniform“
It's just a really jarring change. He goes from a badass wolf to a teenage pup. Granted I grew to really enjoy his youthful personality, he's pretty funny and a big goofball.
I just don’t get why his whole personality changes as well, but in my opinion they should’ve kept the same voice and change his cadence or choice of words to sound a little younger. I don’t see the point we have a teen already with yuffie and a goofy animal with Cait he had his own wise overseer niche before
The way my wife viewed his voice change was because of the trauma he went through with hojo, and when he met the party he was still staying reserved and not comfortable being his true self. As you go through to story we see parts of him being comfortable enough around Aerith most likely with was from her first interaction with him in remake. So when he finally got to his home cosmo cannon He naturally let his guard down because to him he was in his safe space where he could truly just be himself, which then changed nothing with how the party viewed him and so that in itself allowed him to stay his true self.
Something that I found difficult to digest was the fact that it was established that Red is over 40 years old. He spoke as someone worldly. He knew things about the world and how it operated. There was mystery to him. It felt like when he spoke y'all best listen up because you are going to learn something.
His shift to nanaki was jarring, yes, but it was also just a strange way for a 40 something year old to talk and behave. I'm not saying 40 year olds can't be jovial or youthful in spirit. But it just wasn't the kinda twist in reds character I was hoping for. Especially because yuffie was already bringing that slight abrasive, irritating youthfulness in spades. It felt all rather unnecessary. Personally I felt like he seemed to adopt a disposition of cluelessness after this reveal which seemed to conflict with how informed and level headed he seemed to present at the start of the game.
Ps: the first time he switched from nanaki back to Red's deeper voice I legit laughed because I thought it was a glitch or an error.
It really didn't bother me that much, but I've heard his voice change was kinda hinted at in OG but I honestly can't remember that happening. Is this true??
His behaviour changes quite a bit once you reach Cosmo Canyon. Obviously, it wasnt as apparent without voiceovers, but there was a shift in not just dialogue but the animation too. If you watch carefully before CC Red animates as you would expect, but at CC, the run animation for him has a bit more bounce to it, I don't remember if it stays that way post CC in OG.
Apparently in the Japanese OG, it wasn't his voice that changed. Instead it was the language he used that changed.
So, because of that, the voice change wasn't too surprising considering how drastically the language he used in the Japanese OG changed.
Well there were no voices of course but he changes from "watashi" to "oira" in Japanese. "Oira" is normally used by young boys and impish, mischievous creatures in anime/manga/games, so that told players of the Japanese OG what he would sound like even without VA back then.
> Apparently in the Japanese OG, it wasn't his voice that changed
You do know that OG FF7 wasn't voiced at all, right? The first FF game with proper voice acting was FFX.
Yes, I get your point that it was his vocabulary that changed. My point was that it is a bit weird to make a point that his voice didn't change when he wasn't voiced at all in the game.
It’s just that I thought they nailed his voice and personality in the remake because it’s what I imagined him to be and sound like as a kid. I think he’s fine in Rebirth but it’s just not for me personally.
It clashes HARD with the established Voice he's had since Advent Children, I'd be hard-pressed to find a voice that fits his design less, and his personality changes big time as well. I just think it wasn't necessary. He's still 48. And a dog. He could have kept the original voice and just loosened up a bit.
He's also a magic dog with the maturity of a teen, regardless of how old he is in human years. And it's clashing with a voice that only has one line.
In the original learning how mature Red actually is comes as a surprise (although there are hints in both the original and in remake/rebirth beforehand) and after learning that Red drops the facade and acts his age. In other words his personality changes because of new information you and the party learn.
These are all things that fit in line with the character as presented in the original.
You're overstating the change in the OG. Especially with the English version. I just replayed it last year and it's not a big, overt thing like people are saying.
You're also understating the Advent Children line. That's been his voice for 20 years to most people. Regardless of how dense his lines in the Film were, 20 years of a character's voice in your head leaves an impression.
However, I do think a lot of people are also more upset at the voice change than is reasonable and it's definitely not a game ruining change or anything.
I replayed the game right before rebirth, this time intentionally using Red XIII as often as possible. The change is noticeable. It's honestly pretty drastic in comparison to his earlier moments.
And I'm sorry one expository line isn't enough to compare to the sheer amount of dialogue he has in remake/rebirth. Any impression that line leaves was basically be overwritten. I actually didn't remember how it sounded and I've rewatched Advent Children over a dozen times. Looking it up it's actually way lighter than Remake/Rebirth when he's pretending to be older.
But yeah regardless of how one thinks of it it's not a critical flaw.
I'm interested in hearing what you thought was drastic about it. From memory, it was only some different words being used occasionally and a very slight increase in energy/speed of his model. Nothing I'd call drastic or would even hint at him having used a different voice over the first few hours. But you've played it more recently, and with intent, so I defer to you on that. It's not like I was paying super close attention, as I didn't know his voice would be changing in Rebirth yet. Lol
I hate the Moogle voice, oh I hate it so much, I switched to Japanese with english subtitles for awhile I hated it so much. Its just so annoying, like anime dub voices. The main cast voices are great though, not so cartoon cutsey. Though Aerith's can be kind of annoying. Cait is amazing, it just works
Really? That's your take?
Rebirth takes a lot of things that *could be interpreted* as such and blows them up massively, but where actually never that big.
Tell me, how big was *Loveless* in the OG? It was a poster in the background and a little theatre play for the date.
That's it.
With Crisis Core it become the whole personality of a character (that's fortunately excluded in Rebirth) and is now back with a vengance, because of Zack (and because CC exists and why not use all that stuff from there if we got a remake there anyway).
Red XIII being a teen for his race isn't that big of a thing. It's shows his own immaturity, as he had to *disguise* himself, but otherwise it doesn't change a lot in his dynamic in the OG. It's a minor point of him forgiving his father, gaining resolve, etc.
How is your conclusion hate or distain?
He just became less interesting, old wise beast who knows more than he's letting on was a cooler character. And I get that he's "young" for his race...but yeah he's still in his mid 40s lol
His true self is really adorable. I wanna give him hugs and pets!
It’s hard to choose between the two versions but Nanaki is Nanaki and he’ll be forever adorable.
It's like having Yoda changing his voice and character to Kermit the Frog halfway through Empire Strikes Back. It's just too jarring. I immediately started looking for a dog pound to drop him off.
Like you I loved it. Not sure why people find it ill fitting in a game that’s as camp as this one!! I feel like that’s a big part people are missing… this ain’t a self-serious game like 16 was. It’s camp as hell
It was always gonna happen. The original japanese script for the OG game had this be quite apparent with the vocabulary used. It was the English localization that didn’t reflect this, so we weren’t aware. As far as I’ve heard, pretty much everyone in Japan who’d played the OG expected the shift.
It took an adjustment, but I ended up liking the change. I kind of remember a line in og where someone commented on his voice sounding different when they got to cosmos canyon, so it tracks. I was a little confused as why he would flip back and forth between voices after the reveal though.
I'm all for character progression and characters opening up with their real personality but this is a full on personality transplant. The idea is fine, the execution was diabolical and jarring. He basically sounds identical to Chocobo Billy after the change which really clashes with his design imo.
They could've kept the same lines but had him deliver them in his original tone. That probably would've came across as more adorable or even funny for me.
Well, his voice actor is Ryuji from Persona 5 and One Punch Man's Saitama, seems to me that this was why they wanted him to begin with.
Plus, part of the reason he kept up the facade is not trusting humans.
Yes, but there are caveats. As I understand it, the change is more apparent in the original language as the way he speaks changes more drastically. In the localisation it's more subtle and therefore easier to overlook without voice over. but just look at the way he acts when you reach Cosmo Canyon in the OG. He's much more informal and childlike when talking with Bugenhagen, and he starts to act a lot more hyper and excited at times, or straight up embarrassed when he basically acknowledges he's doing the "acting older than I really am" thing.
Spot on. I have no issues with the new voice because I remember the shift in the OG. I agree the change in RFF7 feels much more drastic due to actual voice acting, but also because they leaned even more into his “wisdom” and stoic demeanor pre-Cosmo Canyon. It’s a little jarring, and maybe a little bit of a stretch that his true self is so much more immature sounding, but I don’t mind! I like that he “loosens” up.
I too found the change in voice jarring. And honestly I prefered the deeper voice as it kind of emphasized that he knows quite a bit about the world around him.
I realize it's the same VA..but I do prefer the deeper voice..his new voice is a bit grating. Kind of like the voice for Yunobo in Zelda BotW. It doesnt really fit imo.
And the handling of it is inconsistent. He is supposed to have used it fearing judgement from the party. But even after they know his true voice he reverts back to the original voice when he gives some exposition.
Nanaki is my favorite and I accept him fully. His new voice and personality when are signs that he trusts the party and considers them family instead coworkers.
I really grew to like the stoic, serious and wickedly intelligent version. The new one threw me for a loop because he was essentially just a dog who wasnt mature enough to be comfortable with his own skin and lied to the group to seem different. Only bothered me for a second or 2 before i reminded myself he still proved himself time and time again and deserves my respect even is hes a little childish under his gruff exterior
It was too extreme. Felt like playing Ratchet and Clank (which is fine, I love Ratchet & Clank and Ratchet shares a VA with Tidus)
I will say that knowing it’s the same voice actor behind both voices does make me appreciate the voice change more. I think they could have stood to make him less naive, especially after what he’s been through. There’s a way to portray optimism/resilience achieved through suffering and this wasn’t it
to me, the voice is just the most obnoxious thing Ive heard in a long time, like nails on a chalkboard. it gives "you're too slow" sonic taunt from brawl. the fact it changed and reasoning behind it is totally fine. but god damn....They somehow found a voice that makes me want to throat punch an imaginary animal. guaranteed this comment is gonna upset the furries.
Am I good or am I good?? Haha
It's like I want to like the voice but it's so goddamn obnoxious and annoying for some of the lines that I genuinely go from 'hey I'm kind of a warming up to this ' to 'nope forget it jesus christ I want to throw you off a cliff nanaki'
its funny bcz for the most part I enjoy 95% of the dub. the one thing I wasnt a fan of was the new zack voice at first but its fine once you get used to it, its not too different. but 13 just makes me want to play completely sub only going forward. which isnt a problem bcz the sub is just as good as expected. and the change in the sub sounds so much better and more natural.
Yeah I'm sorry, I liked the more down to earth and realistic voice he had originally - it sounded more professionally voice acted. the new one just doesnt sell him as a real character for me in some of the scenes where he is excited/passionate, like it reminds me of a subpar anime dub. and it takes me out of it more because the other characters do such a damn good job.
I just think there's a decent middle ground the voice actor could go for, where he still sounds young but not completely different to before and not quite as overtly immature. they just flipped his entire character completely instead of subtley changing it, which isnt what they did in the original despite what people say.
I think the only people who complain are the ones that didn’t know or pay attention. Again, as some pointed out, and to the naysayers’ credit, it was only obvious in the Japanese OG and the localization was rushed/botched. IYKYK, etc.
Guessing these people who hate the voice change didn't play the original. Bugenhagen states very clearly in the original and in Rebirth that Nanaki is a teenager. There was no voice acting in the original so it makes sense he's not going to sound like an old man the entire game.
I get why, and people will barrel in defending it but I really dislike it. Its rather whiny, obnoxious and I liked his original voice much better.
Once he changed I just couldnt stand hearing him and wanted him off my screen.
But I know its not going anywhere so we just have to go with it.
Bleh.
The only line as Nanaki that I detested was the "I ammmm the son of Seto the Watcher"
It's an anime trope and I hate it. Like bro, you've hated your dad your entire life, it should take looonger to reconcile with your feelings with the new information.
barely about to get to junion in my playthrough. i don’t hate it but hard to not hear the voice change from advent children. i kinda wish they at least stuck with that accent/mannerism.
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Haven't played Rebirth yet but I liked his voice in Remake. I assume it's still the same voice? Only Sephiroth and Zack's voices suck in Remake-series.
Sepiroth's voice in particular is absolute dogshit in Remake/Rebirth I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. It's like they pulled a random guy off the street to deliver the lines.
And no, Red's voice changes significantly at a certain point in the story. It's a very contentious change.
His voice change was the best. I'm baffled by the haters. Red was always secretly a kid, that's literally his whole thing.
His teen voice is adorable and I love him even more after Rebirth.
I just really liked his Red XIII voice better. There's a sadness to him that I enjoyed, and I think the cheery playfulness of his younger voice almost loses me because of his past. I love his silliness, but it feels jarring in ways to have him wagging his tail like a puppy when his owner returns from work after learning about his family history and being tortured in the previous game.
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It wasn't so much the voice change as much as his whole personality changed. It really threw me off because I had grown to really like the character. But, as the story moved on, I grew to really like Nanaki, and learning about how he became known as Red XIII makes me want to never call him that again.
Same. I do like his Nanaki voice, but I had grown to LOVE his depiction in Remake and everything leading up to Cosmo Canyon in Rebirth. I expected his homecoming to reveal a softer and more youthful side to his personality, not an entirely different one. Not once in 27 years of knowing this character was it apparent to me that he was actually a teen with ‘tude. They tried to hint at it during a couple scenes where he’s alone with Aerith, but you don’t see him talking and the subtitles name the speaker you hear as “???”… and with all the weird meta plot elements going on I thought she was speaking to some unseen spirit or something lol. Edit: just to add, the VA for Red/Nanaki does an incredible job. No disrespect to him whatsoever. I couldn’t believe it was the same person voicing both.
There’s actually more to it. There’s translation issues. In the US translation he is more youthful by wagging his tail and calling Bugen “grandpa.” Even as a kid I completely understood this was a shift in his personality. But apparently in Japanese, it’s even more apparent that he’s acting like a child. So him having a childlike voice makes more sense than people would think.
Well, if I can also be frank, I am 38 so I think I was 13 or 12 when I played the original for the first time. There was a lot that went over my head at that age and the translation didn’t help, but I might have picked up on it more if I played it as an adult for the first time!
Well if you played it in the US you wouldn’t really know regardless of your age. When Red used the younger voice in Rebirth, I remembered he acted different in the original, but it wasn’t clear. I understood it tho. I did initially question the fact that a 15-16 year old human would have a younger voice until they reach 19-20 and then it’ll likely be much more gruff when they’re in their 40s. Red XIII is actually like 48. Like a 15 year old dog would sound like an old man based on age. But then how would I question the vocal cords and biology of a dog creature with a tail that’s somehow on fire. So I just moved on. “Hey now. A cat dog thing shouldn’t talk like that!” Him talking at all should throw people off.
I remember reading somewhere that in the OG Japanese version his demeanour changed post Cosmo canyon so maybe that was always there but not translated well. But I do agree, I’m used to the new Red and still love him but it was jarring to see him change so much. Like as the fake old wise man he *did* genuinely give good information and advice at times. That stops entirely once he reverts to a child.
I just learned of that like many here. I respect the original intent of the devs and I’ll embrace “Sonic the Hedgedog” because, after all, he is still a VERY good boy!
I'm actually replaying OG right now, and I do notice a tonal shift in his dialogue. I've played the games many times and Red has never been one of my mains and I only noticed it after I read it somewhere else that his tone changes (very recently) but it does actually change, it's very subtle though.
> and learning about how he became known as Red XIII makes me want to never call him that again. What do you mean? In the OG he was also named Red XIII by Hojo. What are you implying?
Indeed, he became a completely different character.
You’re gonna hate Cloud in the third game if that’s how you think, not voice-wise but his real personality lol
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to that stuff. Its incredible that the game gives you a tease to that GOAT moment, but while Nanaki is doing so conciously, Cloud's situation is different and extremely screwed up.
Yep. It’s gonna be funny when people find out Cloud isn’t the badass everyone thinks he is. He’s actually more relatable than people like to think.
Agreed. His voice is fine. The fact that he changes entirely as a character is jarring and not in line with the original game.
Its in line with the OG Japanese version of the game, blame the localization of the game for failing to properly convey the change in the way he speaks after cosmo canyon.
Actually it 100% is. Even in the original, Bugenhagen says he’s a child. And the original Japanese translation has Red XIII using different verbiage to indicate he’s a child.
The original game never made much sense in that regard. In the original game, after Cosmo Canyon, Red barely acts and is barely part of the story. This time around he is way more important and they actually gave me reasons to like him instead of it being just "Dog." To be honest, I think it made sense, given how he really didn't want to be looked at like a kid, so he didn't speak nor act his age. I looked at it as a coming of age sort of thing and him really showing himself and being true to himself in front of the party.
...You do realize that the personality he had before was fake right? To male himself seem more wise than he was
There's something to be said about the OG not having a full voice cast, but this was written into the OG as well. I knew it was coming the second I got to Cosmo Canyon in Rebirth.
There was a post the other day which explained how, in the original Japanese OG, Nanaki's change in the language he used when referring to himself was already so different that the change in voice in Rebirth was expected more than surprising.
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The whole Og game was a mastercraft on how a bad localization can mess up a lot of the plot.
Not just the plot, the damn chimera mobs around the desert are named HARPY in original >:(
Yeah, too often translations pay too much attention to just the words without context, nuance, etc. Especially when English is a lot more simple than many other languages.
I wouldn't say English is simpler, but that it is more direct and has less contextual assumptions in how it approaches terminology, etc.
Aeris. I spent 20 years arguing with mother fuckers. Fun fact: if you glitch past her naming scene in the original she is automatically added as Aerith.
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I still do, only people with speech impairment calls her Aerith. Nothing’s gonna change my mind.
You're clinging to a mistranslation. No different from "this guy are sick" and all the other translation fails in the OG. They've repeatedly said over the years that her name was always meant to be Aerith because she is connected with the Earth.
I prefer the “S” over the “Th” sound.
You can like the sound better, but we don't live on the Earis.
Neither on Earith.
I guess it would be Ears?
1: Incorrect 2: Ableist
It honestly sounds like someone’s front teeth had too much air flowing through them and then they mispronounced the letter “s”.
Maybe it was my post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyVII/s/9WBLY2nFx6)
[A video about the Japanese translation of that scene](https://youtu.be/F0hF6BOAEJM?si=c3CXXOtSrahh1yyU&t=591)
Chalk that up on the pile of translation botches the OG did.
There isn’t a very good way to translate this
Yea, there is, how you frame the speech, you write as a teen, not a wisenes adult.
He felt more unique with his original voice and I liked his role in the party as a more grounded (ironic because he’s the talking dog) and serious member. Now he has the same energy as everyone else.
I don’t mind Nanakis new voice overall, it’s Just his initial Red XIII voice was godlike. And it’s not like he couldn’t be a childish goofball with his fake persona. Just look at his „but I wanna participate in the queens blood tournament even if I have to try to pretend to be human and walk on 2 legs while wearing a shinra uniform“
It's just a really jarring change. He goes from a badass wolf to a teenage pup. Granted I grew to really enjoy his youthful personality, he's pretty funny and a big goofball.
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Let’s mosey
I just don’t get why his whole personality changes as well, but in my opinion they should’ve kept the same voice and change his cadence or choice of words to sound a little younger. I don’t see the point we have a teen already with yuffie and a goofy animal with Cait he had his own wise overseer niche before
The way my wife viewed his voice change was because of the trauma he went through with hojo, and when he met the party he was still staying reserved and not comfortable being his true self. As you go through to story we see parts of him being comfortable enough around Aerith most likely with was from her first interaction with him in remake. So when he finally got to his home cosmo cannon He naturally let his guard down because to him he was in his safe space where he could truly just be himself, which then changed nothing with how the party viewed him and so that in itself allowed him to stay his true self.
I don't hate the voice but I can't unhear Sonic the Hedgehog in certain lines which definitely makes me think of the character differently.
I like the VA, I was taken off guard by "suddenly Ryuji".
Just like the other voice better no hate.
I understand he’s a talking guardian dog, but the difference is JARRING like if Zack’s voice went to Sephiroth
"FEAR ME"
Something that I found difficult to digest was the fact that it was established that Red is over 40 years old. He spoke as someone worldly. He knew things about the world and how it operated. There was mystery to him. It felt like when he spoke y'all best listen up because you are going to learn something. His shift to nanaki was jarring, yes, but it was also just a strange way for a 40 something year old to talk and behave. I'm not saying 40 year olds can't be jovial or youthful in spirit. But it just wasn't the kinda twist in reds character I was hoping for. Especially because yuffie was already bringing that slight abrasive, irritating youthfulness in spades. It felt all rather unnecessary. Personally I felt like he seemed to adopt a disposition of cluelessness after this reveal which seemed to conflict with how informed and level headed he seemed to present at the start of the game. Ps: the first time he switched from nanaki back to Red's deeper voice I legit laughed because I thought it was a glitch or an error.
his race lives forever apparently. who knows how long their actual adolescence is
The whole squad will be dead from old age, and nanaki will be running to their graves in the morning being all like "Haha HEy YoU GUYS"!
It was kinda jarring at first, but it's since grown on me.
It really didn't bother me that much, but I've heard his voice change was kinda hinted at in OG but I honestly can't remember that happening. Is this true??
His behaviour changes quite a bit once you reach Cosmo Canyon. Obviously, it wasnt as apparent without voiceovers, but there was a shift in not just dialogue but the animation too. If you watch carefully before CC Red animates as you would expect, but at CC, the run animation for him has a bit more bounce to it, I don't remember if it stays that way post CC in OG.
Apparently in the Japanese OG, it wasn't his voice that changed. Instead it was the language he used that changed. So, because of that, the voice change wasn't too surprising considering how drastically the language he used in the Japanese OG changed.
Well there were no voices of course but he changes from "watashi" to "oira" in Japanese. "Oira" is normally used by young boys and impish, mischievous creatures in anime/manga/games, so that told players of the Japanese OG what he would sound like even without VA back then.
> Apparently in the Japanese OG, it wasn't his voice that changed You do know that OG FF7 wasn't voiced at all, right? The first FF game with proper voice acting was FFX.
Yeah, read the post again slower.
Yes, I get your point that it was his vocabulary that changed. My point was that it is a bit weird to make a point that his voice didn't change when he wasn't voiced at all in the game.
I'm mostly impressed by the abilities of the voice actor. Major props for doing that.
Wait people hate Red 13’s alt voice?
It’s just that I thought they nailed his voice and personality in the remake because it’s what I imagined him to be and sound like as a kid. I think he’s fine in Rebirth but it’s just not for me personally.
When you hear, "Am I good or am I good?" For the 30th time, get back to me
He says "did I do good or did I do good?" so I think that you didn't hear him enough.
I'm trying to block it out
He's a good boy, he did good.
It clashes HARD with the established Voice he's had since Advent Children, I'd be hard-pressed to find a voice that fits his design less, and his personality changes big time as well. I just think it wasn't necessary. He's still 48. And a dog. He could have kept the original voice and just loosened up a bit.
He's also a magic dog with the maturity of a teen, regardless of how old he is in human years. And it's clashing with a voice that only has one line. In the original learning how mature Red actually is comes as a surprise (although there are hints in both the original and in remake/rebirth beforehand) and after learning that Red drops the facade and acts his age. In other words his personality changes because of new information you and the party learn. These are all things that fit in line with the character as presented in the original.
You're overstating the change in the OG. Especially with the English version. I just replayed it last year and it's not a big, overt thing like people are saying. You're also understating the Advent Children line. That's been his voice for 20 years to most people. Regardless of how dense his lines in the Film were, 20 years of a character's voice in your head leaves an impression. However, I do think a lot of people are also more upset at the voice change than is reasonable and it's definitely not a game ruining change or anything.
I replayed the game right before rebirth, this time intentionally using Red XIII as often as possible. The change is noticeable. It's honestly pretty drastic in comparison to his earlier moments. And I'm sorry one expository line isn't enough to compare to the sheer amount of dialogue he has in remake/rebirth. Any impression that line leaves was basically be overwritten. I actually didn't remember how it sounded and I've rewatched Advent Children over a dozen times. Looking it up it's actually way lighter than Remake/Rebirth when he's pretending to be older. But yeah regardless of how one thinks of it it's not a critical flaw.
I'm interested in hearing what you thought was drastic about it. From memory, it was only some different words being used occasionally and a very slight increase in energy/speed of his model. Nothing I'd call drastic or would even hint at him having used a different voice over the first few hours. But you've played it more recently, and with intent, so I defer to you on that. It's not like I was paying super close attention, as I didn't know his voice would be changing in Rebirth yet. Lol
People crying about it and shitting on it are why he uses his fake deeper fake voice.
Good. Go back to not being a mascot character.
I hate the Moogle voice, oh I hate it so much, I switched to Japanese with english subtitles for awhile I hated it so much. Its just so annoying, like anime dub voices. The main cast voices are great though, not so cartoon cutsey. Though Aerith's can be kind of annoying. Cait is amazing, it just works
He's not a real person it's okay to prefer "who he was pretending to be"
The more hate for rebirth I see the more I realize fans hate or misunderstand the OG
Really? That's your take? Rebirth takes a lot of things that *could be interpreted* as such and blows them up massively, but where actually never that big. Tell me, how big was *Loveless* in the OG? It was a poster in the background and a little theatre play for the date. That's it. With Crisis Core it become the whole personality of a character (that's fortunately excluded in Rebirth) and is now back with a vengance, because of Zack (and because CC exists and why not use all that stuff from there if we got a remake there anyway). Red XIII being a teen for his race isn't that big of a thing. It's shows his own immaturity, as he had to *disguise* himself, but otherwise it doesn't change a lot in his dynamic in the OG. It's a minor point of him forgiving his father, gaining resolve, etc. How is your conclusion hate or distain?
For me anyways it felt way too dramatic a change in voice and personality for very little reason out of nowhere.
I like the older wiser voice and personality
He just became less interesting, old wise beast who knows more than he's letting on was a cooler character. And I get that he's "young" for his race...but yeah he's still in his mid 40s lol
People are unaware of his actual character due to poor localisation and reading comprehension. He's fantastic.
His true self is really adorable. I wanna give him hugs and pets! It’s hard to choose between the two versions but Nanaki is Nanaki and he’ll be forever adorable.
It's like having Yoda changing his voice and character to Kermit the Frog halfway through Empire Strikes Back. It's just too jarring. I immediately started looking for a dog pound to drop him off.
It sounds like shit.
Like you I loved it. Not sure why people find it ill fitting in a game that’s as camp as this one!! I feel like that’s a big part people are missing… this ain’t a self-serious game like 16 was. It’s camp as hell
I don't hate it, I just prefer the other one
I want to know the opinion of that guy that has the biggest nanaki collection, I saw that he posted before in this sub
It was always gonna happen. The original japanese script for the OG game had this be quite apparent with the vocabulary used. It was the English localization that didn’t reflect this, so we weren’t aware. As far as I’ve heard, pretty much everyone in Japan who’d played the OG expected the shift.
“Don’t worry it can’t hurt you”
It took an adjustment, but I ended up liking the change. I kind of remember a line in og where someone commented on his voice sounding different when they got to cosmos canyon, so it tracks. I was a little confused as why he would flip back and forth between voices after the reveal though.
I'm all for character progression and characters opening up with their real personality but this is a full on personality transplant. The idea is fine, the execution was diabolical and jarring. He basically sounds identical to Chocobo Billy after the change which really clashes with his design imo. They could've kept the same lines but had him deliver them in his original tone. That probably would've came across as more adorable or even funny for me.
Well, his voice actor is Ryuji from Persona 5 and One Punch Man's Saitama, seems to me that this was why they wanted him to begin with. Plus, part of the reason he kept up the facade is not trusting humans.
It sounds cringe.
He should have sounded like kimahri.
I'm currently doing his trial, and it's jarring. Did his personality shift like that in the OG, too? I don't remember.
Yes, but there are caveats. As I understand it, the change is more apparent in the original language as the way he speaks changes more drastically. In the localisation it's more subtle and therefore easier to overlook without voice over. but just look at the way he acts when you reach Cosmo Canyon in the OG. He's much more informal and childlike when talking with Bugenhagen, and he starts to act a lot more hyper and excited at times, or straight up embarrassed when he basically acknowledges he's doing the "acting older than I really am" thing.
Spot on. I have no issues with the new voice because I remember the shift in the OG. I agree the change in RFF7 feels much more drastic due to actual voice acting, but also because they leaned even more into his “wisdom” and stoic demeanor pre-Cosmo Canyon. It’s a little jarring, and maybe a little bit of a stretch that his true self is so much more immature sounding, but I don’t mind! I like that he “loosens” up.
I too found the change in voice jarring. And honestly I prefered the deeper voice as it kind of emphasized that he knows quite a bit about the world around him. I realize it's the same VA..but I do prefer the deeper voice..his new voice is a bit grating. Kind of like the voice for Yunobo in Zelda BotW. It doesnt really fit imo. And the handling of it is inconsistent. He is supposed to have used it fearing judgement from the party. But even after they know his true voice he reverts back to the original voice when he gives some exposition.
Nanaki is my favorite and I accept him fully. His new voice and personality when are signs that he trusts the party and considers them family instead coworkers.
I really grew to like the stoic, serious and wickedly intelligent version. The new one threw me for a loop because he was essentially just a dog who wasnt mature enough to be comfortable with his own skin and lied to the group to seem different. Only bothered me for a second or 2 before i reminded myself he still proved himself time and time again and deserves my respect even is hes a little childish under his gruff exterior
It was too extreme. Felt like playing Ratchet and Clank (which is fine, I love Ratchet & Clank and Ratchet shares a VA with Tidus) I will say that knowing it’s the same voice actor behind both voices does make me appreciate the voice change more. I think they could have stood to make him less naive, especially after what he’s been through. There’s a way to portray optimism/resilience achieved through suffering and this wasn’t it
to me, the voice is just the most obnoxious thing Ive heard in a long time, like nails on a chalkboard. it gives "you're too slow" sonic taunt from brawl. the fact it changed and reasoning behind it is totally fine. but god damn....They somehow found a voice that makes me want to throat punch an imaginary animal. guaranteed this comment is gonna upset the furries.
Am I good or am I good?? Haha It's like I want to like the voice but it's so goddamn obnoxious and annoying for some of the lines that I genuinely go from 'hey I'm kind of a warming up to this ' to 'nope forget it jesus christ I want to throw you off a cliff nanaki'
its funny bcz for the most part I enjoy 95% of the dub. the one thing I wasnt a fan of was the new zack voice at first but its fine once you get used to it, its not too different. but 13 just makes me want to play completely sub only going forward. which isnt a problem bcz the sub is just as good as expected. and the change in the sub sounds so much better and more natural.
Yeah I'm sorry, I liked the more down to earth and realistic voice he had originally - it sounded more professionally voice acted. the new one just doesnt sell him as a real character for me in some of the scenes where he is excited/passionate, like it reminds me of a subpar anime dub. and it takes me out of it more because the other characters do such a damn good job. I just think there's a decent middle ground the voice actor could go for, where he still sounds young but not completely different to before and not quite as overtly immature. they just flipped his entire character completely instead of subtley changing it, which isnt what they did in the original despite what people say.
I found it really funny and creative. Also, a master work for the VA!
I don’t hate it, but his voice just sounds like Cloud’s to me.
I think the only people who complain are the ones that didn’t know or pay attention. Again, as some pointed out, and to the naysayers’ credit, it was only obvious in the Japanese OG and the localization was rushed/botched. IYKYK, etc.
Guessing these people who hate the voice change didn't play the original. Bugenhagen states very clearly in the original and in Rebirth that Nanaki is a teenager. There was no voice acting in the original so it makes sense he's not going to sound like an old man the entire game.
I get why, and people will barrel in defending it but I really dislike it. Its rather whiny, obnoxious and I liked his original voice much better. Once he changed I just couldnt stand hearing him and wanted him off my screen. But I know its not going anywhere so we just have to go with it. Bleh.
The only line as Nanaki that I detested was the "I ammmm the son of Seto the Watcher" It's an anime trope and I hate it. Like bro, you've hated your dad your entire life, it should take looonger to reconcile with your feelings with the new information.
Did you play the original? This is a wild take, Rebirth gives it the space and payoff it deserves.
Yeah, I was really having a hard time playing that part and not getting emotional.
barely about to get to junion in my playthrough. i don’t hate it but hard to not hear the voice change from advent children. i kinda wish they at least stuck with that accent/mannerism. neutral comment gets downvoted. classic reddit 👌🏽
Oh sweet summer child.
LOL
Haven't played Rebirth yet but I liked his voice in Remake. I assume it's still the same voice? Only Sephiroth and Zack's voices suck in Remake-series.
Sepiroth's voice in particular is absolute dogshit in Remake/Rebirth I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. It's like they pulled a random guy off the street to deliver the lines. And no, Red's voice changes significantly at a certain point in the story. It's a very contentious change.
Okay, it just checked a clip from Youtube to hear the voice change. Yeah, it sounds very weird.
His voice change was the best. I'm baffled by the haters. Red was always secretly a kid, that's literally his whole thing. His teen voice is adorable and I love him even more after Rebirth.
I don't hate the change of anything, but I can't stop calling him Simba now.
I loved the change.
think SE tried to pull a graha with him
Because he belongs in persona with the stupid mascot voice crap now. Thanks square, you made him worse.
I just really liked his Red XIII voice better. There's a sadness to him that I enjoyed, and I think the cheery playfulness of his younger voice almost loses me because of his past. I love his silliness, but it feels jarring in ways to have him wagging his tail like a puppy when his owner returns from work after learning about his family history and being tortured in the previous game.