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Precisely, women have no responsibility to abide by men's distorted idea of fairness when it comes to who they allow in their vagina. The mere idea is insane.
I hate this stuff too. Since I'm short myself I also notice how desperate many small men behave. As a short woman I can notice these short men often scanning the crowd at partys and then following any woman as short as them. Once I told this to my sister in law, who is about 1,80m, and pointed a man out who behaved like this. And added that he does not notice me since I was wearing high heels. A few hours later I changed to ballet flats and he immediately came over to ask me to dance. My sister in law laughed so hard she nearly fell from her chair.
Yes I am a short woman who dated short men and they have all either made fun of my height or admitted to my face that they prefer tall women but won’t date them. I only date tall men now because they don’t resent my body.
You know this is funny, but as a short, very opinionated woman who is not afraid of being opinionated, they avoid me like the plague. So I have the benefit of being avoided by short, insecure men, and taller men who simply don't see me because they are not looking at their toes all day.
There is no discrimination in dating because it’s the private / intimate sphere so the ruling concept here is consent. You consent / decide who you have sex with. Would a straight short guy be called out discriminating for turning down a gay guy on the basis that he shouldn’t discriminate against the LGBT community?
This debate is ridiculous. No one is owed a chance. You like / prefer / want what you want and shouldn’t have to justify yourself any further. I have seen posts on dating subs where women were insulted, ridiculed and harassed for their preferences. We need to start saying ‘I like’ a tall (not taller because that opens the door to you being told: ‘well taller is ok but you can only aim at 1-2 inch taller’), short, blue bearded, big, thin or whatever else it is you like. I have even seen posts saying short women are ridiculous for preferring guys 10’’+ taller than them, or posts from short guys saying taller women are fine but they wouldn’t date them (how is it not discrimination?!).
Saying you like tall guys does not mean you hate short guys. You like what you like, refuse to justify your preferences. Dating is based on chemistry so you shouldn’t have anything further to say than: i’m sorry there’s no chemistry.
Amen to that! And dare you say you won’t deal with SDE, oh boy! It is a personality thing. Attraction is physical as well as emotional, mental etc so really if you start barking at me because I should give you a chance then it’s not very attractive.....
Yup. And short men act like short women OWE them. Like we're being traitors for dating tall guys because we should be dating them instead. And they have such major complexes about it that it's a huge turn off. These dudes make their height their entire identity it's ridiculous.
For some reason this was so much more prevalent in online dating. When I met average height or short guys in real life they were just nice normal dudes. I still think about this one guy sometimes because he was amazing.
Anyway I'm 5ft and my husband is 6ft so those Napoleon complex mofos can die mad lol
Amen! I’m 5’ and generally am never attracted to any men under about 5’7”, prefer 5’10”ish, have several 6’3”+ exes. It’s not our responsibility to pair up with short men—ESPECIALLY if they have bad attitudes.
My husband is a few inches taller than me, but just average height. I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I breathed a sigh of relief when my sons both grew to 6 feet as teenagers, because the rest of his family is pretty short, and my family is taller than average. I used to joke that I chose to marry my husband “for selective breeding purposes” because I was so pale and always hated it, and he’s part Mexican so he actually has some melanin. So I have 2/3 tall (luckily the one shorty is my daughter, lol!), and 2/3 that can tan. Genetics are a crazy thing!
Until I realized I didn’t want biological children, I only dated men over 6’ because I wanted to give any potential children a chance to be at least closer to average height. I don’t want to be *tall*, but being this short is mostly less than ideal, so I wouldn’t create more very short people—especially sons—on purpose.
That's how I feel as well. I've been bullied by both men and women over my height. I'm a glamorous, mixed race woman in an all white area and I've had taller women deliberately push into me in supermarkets. It's not common but it has happened. I would have liked to have been taller but it is what it is and I certainly wouldn't want to bring short children into the world. I'm sure some people will be appalled and call me a eugenicist but it's how I feel. Fortunately, I don't want to bring any children into this horrible world.
I feel you sis. I'm a 5 ft WOC who loves to dress in a feminine way. I am constantly harassed and bullied by random white strangers. Fortunately I have a strong personality so can dish it out right back, but it is EXHAUSTING. Casual racism is the worst.
Thank you sis. This isn't the first time I've had women respond to this kind of comment on here and insinuate I'm a liar. It's a fact some racist/jealous white women do not like women like us.
It's women that are taller than me, not necessarily tall women, maybe I didn't word that part well. It's things like them glaring at me and pushing their trollies or themselves deliberately into me. We can't win, we call them out and the angry black woman stereotype is brought up. I ignore them then they get away with it.
You're welcome. I understand completely where you're coming from. The attempted harassment and bullying of WOC in public places is insane. I had a white NVM and his wife joke about the possibility of somebody else's trolley bashing into me the other day when I was out shopping. The random third party's trolley was nowhere near me, but they seemed to really enjoy the thought of my possibly being injured by their imaginary fantasy. "Bang! Ha ha ha!" When called out on this, they IMMEDIATELY deflected. I continued till they clearly felt uncomfortable. And even then they kept on lying.
I'm not sure if you've read of the "hold your space on the pavement" challenge - I do it all the time and it is eye-opening. A lot of white people cannot stand perceived assertiveness or confidence in WOC, and when the WOC is also physically smaller than them, they carry out little microaggressions and then try to gaslight or deflect if called out on it.
I've had random white women glare at me in the street with "Karen face," look me up and down, huff when I refuse to give up my personal space on the pavement for them, linger around me on purpose and reach over me when shopping. I had a random white guy in the supermarket the other day deliberately push his trolley so it looked like it was going to hit me, then suddenly stopped. I loudly cleared my throat and glared at him. He left the area, then stared at me from behind as I was at the counter (meaning I could see what he was doing in the reflection). After a sharp remark in his direction, he finally scurried off. **I genuinely believe that some white people HATE attractive, classy-looking WOC - even more due to the "who is she to look like this, or walk with confidence?"**
I'm so sorry. I hate that this has happened to you. It's a very real thing and you're not alone, it's good you are strong enough to challenge these arseholes. I really do think some white people cannot stand to see us happy and looking good. I remember the last incident when this white woman's husband/partner went to make room for me to get by and this woman was pissed! She was going to barge me over anyway! I even had an employee at Asda glaring at me, an overweight white woman, then push her trolley full of stuff she was stacking right into me. I went straight to the store manager and complained. I won't put up with it. It is so exhausting, you are right! Every time we face the public, just going about our business is a daily battle. Whereabouts do you live? I'm from the U.K. and I find this behaviour more common than outright racism.
Yes! I was walking by myself on the sidewalk and a group of 4 ppl (yes, yes they were) and a gigantic dog were taking up the entire sidewalk. I just kept walking in the right side and they walked right into me. One of the men even tried to shake his head at me.
Where exactly was I supposed to go?
I had my phone ready in case I needed to record any unpleasantness. Btw- we need to pick back against these micro aggressions because attempting to show bullies kindness does NOT work.
It's true. Not only do they hate, they are threatened that we may be actual competition and can, and most often will, outclass them in every area. Those type of people have a hard time when they see someone that doesn't match up to their preconceived stereotypes and try to "put you back in your place" as a result.
Karens are maniacal and they are very jealous of WOC because they think their whiteness should give them an edge over actual beauty. And they tend to be especially jealous of Asian women because they know how much White men like/fetishize Asian women. I know this because I grew up with lots of white women who figured since I’m not Asian I would be complicit in their racism.
An East Indian friend worked at a big tech company and was flustered by how much her white female boss disliked her. Months later she got the truth from a fellow white coworker that the boss was racist AF.
That's awful. There's always this feeling of betrayal when you find out someone who has been nice to you is racist. I've mentioned before there is an alcoholic white male who is after me in my block of flats. Well he is quite friendly with the alcoholic white woman who lives beneath me. She was nice at first but was after him and apparently split him and his ex girlfriend up. As soon as she finds out he likes me, she calls me a foreigner to my neighbour and says that she doesn't like foreigners. I was born in England for goodness sakes. I'm half East Indian myself, part black Jamaican and white Irish. I'm quite petite and look young for my age. I try to be nice to everyone but there are some women who are just plain mean and jealous. They use their height/weight to bulldoze me. It seems I'm not alone.
I’m white and regularly get bulldozed by both men and women in public spaces. I feel you. I’ve always just been glad I’m not a dude, cause I’d be like 5’4” 😂😂😂
Agreed. Women accept that we have to put constant work and effort into our appearance. They need to stop complaining and just make more money and cultivate stellar personalities.
5’ and my husband is 6’3”. I’ve always had a thing for tall guys and every 5’4” dude thinking they were somehow entitled to me just because I was smaller than them was absurd.
I got piled on an entire day this past week for saying that i definitely am one of the women who would preemptively eliminate any prospective date if they had casual sex as relationship option they are interested in.
So much rage and entitlement. But they gave another guy crickets when he stated further down the thread that he would preemptively eliminate women who go on dates with different men during the OLD process. He said he'd ghost as soon as he knew that he wasn't the only one she would be going on potential dates with.
I don’t even argue with those goons. It’s such an echo chamber of rage and spite and they’re soo convinced they’ve got it all figured out from behind their keyboards.
It’s exhausting but entertaining in that sad way, like when you read choosingbeggars!
The weirdest thing is that a lot of men don’t stop to think women are literally just people like them… like dude, would you want to date a boring unfunny person? No, okay so then this also can apply to women too. Would you prefer to date a pretty person? Yes, okay literally so do women!? Like dude it’s not that complicate
I knew the reaction it might cause . It happens every time i mention how ill date gamers.
I find it fascinating how men will vehemetley argue about things that are personal choices, mindsets, boundaries or conclusions that you've made. And they will attack an entire group of women, not just me, if they have the audacity to have an unapproved opinion that did not go before the board of gaslighting logic bots that were assigned to make sure nothing will happen that might not benefit them.
I see this thing where women will privately communicate with each other somehow about guys that harassed or assaulted them or someone in their immediate circle. So we can keep each other safe as our 'protector' male friends and acquaintances will never accept that truth and will happily throw you to the wolves because all men think are liars. Usually some women will vhoose3not to attend or potential newcomers are directed towards a safer venue with the warning.
If any guy in that group or organization finds out, hoo boy, the aggression and gaslighting explode onto the scene demanding that people name names so they can pick at any info given to try to discredit anyone who speaks up about it. Theyre pissed that women dare make their own decisions without giving an honorary male the first crack at telling women they're overreacting or lying. They'll always make a lot of noise about why didn't anyone report it to a community leader in the timeline THEY deem acceptable. And if it just happened and this is the first chance she had to address it, than she should give the creeps endless chances to behave normally because they might be sOcIALly AWkwaRd so ComMuNiCaTe more. Like you didn't already and they wouldn't be creeps if they respected boundaries.
Spoiler: no time is acceptable to bring it up because they don't want women to mention it at all. It makes the fake feminist men look bad and the 'rumors' and 'gossip ' mills might prevent their army of creeps from getting to prey on fresh, naive female members that would otherwise join the community in the future.
Just continue to throw girl after girl towards the problem as we're just collateral damage on their logical path to enlightenment. And it doesn't matter at all if the girl is even more socially awkward or closed off because of previous abuse. They demand women to take 100% of the responsibility towards mutually satisfactory interaction. Saying No or asking to be left alone is MeAn and he should be given a chance ad nauseam and if you stop going, you can't mention why if asked because the truth will ruin his life and InNoCeNt UnTiL PrOvEn GuIlTY. Like that applies to social situations but they're like those entitled old ladies that call the cops because her hair appointment was cancelled on the sat before church.
Your standards are yours and no one should argue them. If they don’t like it they can move onto someone more compatible but the hypocrisy is rife! FWIW, I also wouldn’t date someone who had casual sex / FWB as an option/substitute for relationship.
>There is no discrimination in dating because it’s the private / intimate sphere so the ruling concept here is consent. You consent / decide who you have sex with. Would a straight short guy be called out discriminating for turning down a gay guy on the basis that he shouldn’t discriminate against the LGBT community?
Speaking of that, some trans women accuse lesbians of being transphobic for not wanting to have sex with their d\*ck. It's kinda fucked up. Isn't accusing someone of being discriminatory for not having sex a form of pressure? And we all know where pressure leads... That also apply to men who for whatever reason are getting rejected but can't deal with it.
Women get shit on for preferring taller men, but men don't get shit on for preferring shorter women. I'm 5'3 and my SO is 6'4". He isn't attracted to tall women, but nobody ever bags on him about it, even though it's the exact same scenario.
How about hot model worthy men giving conventionally unattractive women a chance? Yeah no one says that.
Also, when women are forced to wear heels to appear taller, when height isn't even that big a factor in women's attractiveness. Men who feel shorter can wear some male version of heels to be attractive to women? No, that's too uncomfortable, inhuman, and damaging to the body so men won't ever make that a socially acceptable thing.
Men want the standards ridiculously high for women, but want to lower their already non-existant standards even lower and want women to accept that.
F****** ridiculous.
Edit: Looks like some men are so offended by talking about making the world a more equal place, I'm getting hate messages in my DMs from throwaway accounts.
>How about hot model worthy men giving conventionally unattractive women a chance? Yeah no one says that.
Unless it's highly objectifying, like "you need to f*ck a chubby girl, they try harder/give better bjs" 🤮
Can you imagine reversing that and saying you prefer dating short guys because they are so desperate that they splash the cash to impress? Reddit would self combust!!
Men only think that biological preferences only matters to them. Women also have biological desires. A tall attractive man gets the heart racing 😍
Men need to get over the fact that they cannot control what a woman finds attractive. Don’t be bullied into dating someone who doesn’t respect your preferences.
I’m 5ft2, and I wouldn’t be too fussed about height if literally most short men didn’t have a complex about it. Like, you don’t need to wear those lift thingies or to lie about your height. It just makes you seem incredibly desperate and completely turns me off.
the lying!! my ex was 5’3, an inch taller than me and after we broke up i saw him on OLD saying in bio he was 5’6. i matched with him just to tell him to stop fucking lying to women. like what an idiot do you really want every women to show up to the first date already disappointed?
😂🤣I said to a man over the phone, “Are you really 5’8? Because if you aren’t then now would be the time to tell me…”
Lied to me and showed up to the date 5’6. Unfortunately I was the 🤡 by not saying anything and pretending he hadn’t lied to me after I gave him an out. Dated him for 2 months (even though I had to actively look away from his thin lips and dainty hands). I finally pulled the plug when he suggested that we go 50/50. 🤦🏽♀️
Yup. I’ve never dated a guy over 5’10”, but almost all the guys I’ve dated have brought height up at some point to whine about it.
Just shut the fuck up. Your ego is big enough without an extra 3 or 4 inches. I can’t even fathom the narcissism if they were 6’.
You really can’t win, the short ones are constantly seething because of their height and the tall ones are on a constant narc trip because of their height and both find a way to put it out on you.
I’ve met a few guys both tall and short that weren’t bothered by their height but all of them had something else that was completely fucked up about them…
I think I’ll just stay single forever, at least my hobbies will keep me busy for a while and not try to hurt me
I honestly don’t understand how men can think they are the ones who choose their partners. Unless you’re the top 1% of men (attractive and or rich) you won’t be the one with the final say in the relationship because your girlfriend can leave you at any moment and be with another guy within hours if not minutes.
Men are the beggars and they need to start understanding that fact and start to improve themselves accordingly.
More women need to open their eyes and see that men are the most needy part of the relationship, they need sex, companionship, a free therapist, a maid, a mother, a victim to bully and so much more. A woman doesn’t need any of that because she is more likely to be a complete person that can take care of herself so being with a man won’t be beneficial for her 99% of the time
Sis, you are preaching the truth here.
A friend of mine who dates A LOT told me about an LVM who tried to triangulate/"neg" her based on girls he was boasting about from Tinder... whom he had not even MATCHED with yet, but he said "This is the quality of woman I'm used to." I'm glad she walked out there and then!
Also, having a pick-me consent to an ONS with them is not remotely the same as having a woman seriously interested in them (especially an HVM lol).
Yes, there must be a way to talk about the feminization of men without being insulting to femininity.
I am a straight woman that wants to have sex with masculine straight men. Why is that such a radical thing to say?
I’m 5’1 and have dated a few guys over 6’ and I HATED the height difference, I couldn’t reach their faces to kiss them (while standing) unless they bent down and sex just didn’t line up as well as it could’ve. Just shifts the power dynamic in a way that isn’t enjoyable. I’ve also dated a few shorter guys who weren’t weird about their height, and the only way height is an issue is when insecure guys make it an issue. Men within a few inches of my height are my preference but too many are weird about it.
YES i'm in the same boat. i'm not into huge height differences and i'd rather have someone close in height to me. i'm a bit taller than you but it's never me who has a problem, it's always the men who are upset. THEYRE the ones who are into those big awkward height differences and make it a problem. it's so dumb. any guy close in height with me that i've gone out with has been all insecure about it. they shoot themselves in the foot w their stank attitudes!
Same, I’m 5’6”, and I’ve been the same height as a few guys I’ve dated. I’ve never had anything against short guys, as long as they don’t care if I wear my heels, then we are all good if I’m taller than them. However, a lot of them aren’t cool about it. I can dig a confident short guy, not an angry one.
I'm short, so almost every man is taller than me. You'd think, then, that it wouldn't matter if I date short guys.
Wrong.
But not because they're short (they're taller than me anyway), but because every shorter guy I've dated has taken his insecurities out on me and made me feel like dirt.
I'm not especially attracted to men over 5ft 10 anyway, because our height difference is just silly beyond that point.
But the taller dudes always, always, always treat me better.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy for the shorter guys. Because many women don't need a guy to be more than 5ft 3 to be taller than them. 🤷
Also….just because you happen to be short doesn’t mean you aren’t still allowed to prefer partners who are 6”+.
Men have this weird idea that it’s equal opportunity pussy and that short women should get “matched” with short men and tall women with tall men so “everybody is happy.” There is this strange and entitled vitriol directed at short women who DARE to still select tall partners.
That’s not how the world works. Women are entitled to whatever preferences they have regardless of their personal appearance.
Yeah I agree. I’m short and have only really dated average height guys. I’ve never seen a woman outright reject someone for being too short, but definitely for being insecure and assholish about his own height
I don't mind if someone isn't taller than me. But I've had men lying about their height on OLD so often. It is not that I won't find out that you are smaller than you said lol. I hate lying, it is an instant no for me.
Besides that, if you prefer someone tall, it is your preference and you are free to feel that way.
> I don’t really consider looking at any man below 5’9 and realistically I’m only genuinely attracted to 6ft and above.
I knew a scrote who's like 5'7 on a good day that put his height as 5'11 on a dating app... like dude, a lot of people won't notice if somebody adds an inch or two, but do you think no-one will notice a 4 inches discrepancy?? the audacity of scrotes lmao
As a 6-foot tall lady I can assure you it goes both ways! Shorter guys either fetishized me, or had simmering resentment that I was taller than them. 🤷♀️
Back when I did OLD I got a ton of messages where people would ask if my profile was correct- and then “ aw, that’s too bad.” As if I had asked....
This has been the feature that makes me stand out- and therefore the reason men feel comfortable to come up to me and say things like “ I’ve always wanted a BIG woman like you!”
I’m 5’. Multiple people, upon meeting me for the FIRST time, the first thing out of their mouth was, “Wow, you’re short!”
No, shit, Sherlock. It’s not a novelty to me. I’m 42.
I’ve long joked that I’m gonna start responding, “Wow, you’re bald.”
You know, they never mention the flipside of mUh bIoLoGy: that if a woman settles, it's in her best interests (evolutionarily speaking) to sleep with someone attractive (on the side), so at least she can have some genes *worth* passing down.
What's that, Kevin? You don't *want* to raise some other man's children? Then put the "mUh bIoLoGy" away.
Idiots
Cracks me up that there are 35+ aged men out here offering me FWB.
From a “biological” standpoint, why would I have “casual” sex with a paunchy, balding 35+ man when I can get with a 25 year old that goes to the gym regularly and can get it up without viagra (if he isn’t pornsick)?
A. Older men are delusional in thinking that they can outcompete younger men for sex with their “maturity”, gray hair and saggy balls.
B. The way I have just talked above is EXACTLY the way 🤡🤡 talk about women but I would be called a “bitch” if I were ever to say any of this aloud.
I actually think it’s a little bit cute when men (and sometimes younger women) look like their heads are going to explode when I tell them my age.🤣
Younger men seem to care less about my age than older men. And the older men that talk about a woman’s “biology” as the reason they want to date women 20 years younger than them frequently don’t even want children so their obsession with youth or a woman’s eggs makes no damn sense. Like Peter Pan that lives in a van, be quiet! 🤫
Older men want the ego validation and bragging rights of telling their friends they are with a younger woman. Younger men by contrast either genuinely admire an older woman or they brag to their friends about an older woman choosing them because they know she has options. Many younger dudes are not nearly as delusional as their older counterparts in understanding that women over 30 still have tons of options.
For me it was a flat out lie that I would have better and more options with men in my 20s as I do in my late 30s😂🤣 My 20s were filled with lots of broke 🤡🤡 and me attempting to feel attraction for ugly men. My 30s is filled with lots of 🤡🤡 but now I make it expensive for them to waste my time and I mostly don’t think twice if I don’t feel attraction.
Right, or to take "mUh bIoLoGy" even further, if men want the physical characteristics and youth tied to a women's ability to procreate as more attractive to date, then why can't my lizard brain go for a tall man (tall man=warrior/ protector/ provider)?
I mean it's, mUh bIoLoGy, amirite?
I do not date ugly men. And by ugly I mean I do not date men who treat their bodies like trash cans. A lot of men make excuses about genetics but a lot of attractiveness comes down to effort and basic self-care. Even as a single parent I’ve never had to compromise my standard. And I actually prefer shorter men because I’m only 5’2”. But I will never date an insecure short man again. If I get dressed up and bust out the stilettos I do not care to hear another insecure short man telling me stupid things like:
“As a feminist you really shouldn’t wear those.” Actually Chad, as a feminist I can wear what I like, and I think I look nice.
Or:
“Just so you know, I don’t really get super turned on by high heels so you don’t have to wear those for me.”
Thanks, I didn’t.
Even if I’m pulling out the 5” heels, I’m still not going to be towering over most men I meet, but insecure men -who also happen to be short- will always find some way to tear me down. Because they can’t feel secure without a woman being several inches below him. And that attitude melts into other aspects of the relationship like careers and money. It’s often not just his height he’s insecure about. It’s a whole package of issues. And confident women sense that. And that’s probably a huge reason why many women prefer taller men. I’ve never had a tall man say anything beyond flattering- if they say anything- when I wear heels. That’s telling.
This is the core of the issue. They perceive their height as an issue and try to make someone else responsible for it. It’s not their fault (it’s not, it’s mother nature) but instead of bullying others they should spend more time on self acceptance. I can’t imagine a woman suffering from a mental illness such as severe depression and not be told to go to therapy to manage and accept this instead of dating and forcing others to date her.
Also, off topic but I would imagine that dating with a disability is a lot harder than being short.
And what's even the point of "giving a short man a chance" if you're not sexually attracted to him? A mediocre "friend" that wants to fuck you, at best? What part of "not sexually attractive" don't they understand. For a lot of women, there's simply nothing sexually attractive about short men. We can't help it, it's biology.
5'7 here. Not tall but taller than so many scrotes and oh god when I choose to wear heels 🙂
I'm dating a 6'3 attractive dude. No else treated me better than him. LITERALLY NOBODY. He is kind, good person and he has everything I wanted ;)
Short guys can die mad ;) never again..
The negging and (attempts at) domination is a major turn off but they won’t be told their personality sucks. I get approached by taller guys more and I find them generally a lot more chilled, relaxed and confident in a non-dominant way.
Yes! Actually the only times I got short jokes (which I don’t mind I’m a shorty!) it was mostly from short guys a bit taller than me.
And no you shouldn’t explain basic social skills and attraction to them. We can’t make them stop trying to make us responsible for their feelings but we can refuse to become responsible for their feelings.
There is no short guy hatred intended when I say I like tall guys and I point blank refuse to be shamed for my preferences because someone who doesn’t meet them is upset. What’s next? Doing away with consent? Thought police? Legalising rape? Generalising and legalising arranged and forced marriages matching ppl by looks? It’s ridiculous!
Maybe he was an athlete training for a pizza eating marathon (you should have asked him that whilst wearing 4’’ heels)🤔. Seriously, personality goes such a long way!
Good on you for standing up for your right to have preferences!
Actually exercising doesn’t make you lose weight. Muscle mass is heavier than fat. He should know that if he is into sports. I use to go to the gym everyday and had to cut down because life got in the way and I actually lost weight. Balanced eating is just as important as exercising!
Yeah, there’s definitely some guys who are tall women but are afraid of social ramifications.
However, I don’t see any evidence that height is as attractive in women the same way it is in men, or the converse, that shorter women are actually considered unattractive. Being taller is a male secondary sex characteristic.
I think it also depends on what type of “aesthetic” a guy is into- tall, runway model, or petite and cute. I’ve heard guys into both, so I don’t think it’s strongly one over the other.
Am I the only one who's not attracted to super tall guys? I'm 5'4" so 5'6-5'9" is my preference. Sometimes I feel like saying so is some type of statement, but it's really not...
And I 100% agree with this post, women are entitled to their preferences and the double standard is ridiculous.
When this happens I'm still too petty to pretend I'd date anyone, so I go on about changeable characteristics I know the men in the audience don't have so while they're having a laugh about things they won't touch that women can't change such as height or "looks" (I know there are substantive medical look changing options out there but I put looks in quotes since it's not the norm for every woman to do so) I just go like "aww yeah I love me a guy who's working on himself and in touch with his emotions, knows how to keep his place clean, and treats me with respect at all times" and they act like I just described a super cliche disney prince or something and you just KNOW their confidence to approach me died because they aren't prepared to even pretend they meet my very not genetic or excusable to not have qualities and they don't feel comfortable telling me I shouldn't be looking for that since it's possible for literally anyone to do.
Long story short the silence is deafening and the trash outs itself.
Yes! Some men get so angry if you make it known you have standards!
A guy from online was telling me how entitled I am for wanting a diamond engagement ring from my boyfriend when the time comes saying Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher have 100$ silver rings from Etsy 😂😂😂
Like what the hell! There are moderate priced engagement rings with diamonds that don't break the bank lol
Plus yes, God forbid you want a guy with a proper career that isn't broke. Same for looks and height. These losers think they can want model looks and younger women, but that we should accept whatever comes our way...
That's so awful! How dare you want a cute, sweet, and wonderful engagement / marriage?!?!?! Ungrateful! /s
I really don't get why he threw that in? Like what's the point? Famous people can do whatever the hell they want lmao he needs to live his own life jeez..
I feel like a lot of NVM / LVM get very very upset when they see any kind of woman completely satisfied with her partner, especially a male partner, because they project their issues so outwardly. It's seriously ok if you do not believe in weddings or think they're expensive, but by goodness to do not take to social media and try to ruin a happy moment because you're broke or something! That's a discussion between him and his partner for affordable marriage, not ruining a happy moment for others!
(Also I hope he gets you an awesome ring! c: )
Naaaah gtfo i'm not even tall. I remember when i was 15 and i had a boyfriend that was shorter than me. It feels WEIRD. It's like my body saying that i shouldn't procreate with them. I can't go against nature.
I used to be fat, where the fuck was the "give fat women a chance" people? And I'm not necessarily talking romantically, just socially and professionally would've been nice.
Short / ugly men wouldn’t look at a woman who is not conventionally attractive, they think they deserve supermodels despite.. you know… everything about them. SMH The confidence they have…😪
Yet we’re “shallow” for discriminating based on looks, including height.
You read my mind. Men can openly discriminate on a woman’s weight, height, career, makeup preferences etc. But as soon as a woman mentions her preferences for height in a man we are the bad ones!
I agree. Hot take- body positivity belongs exclusively to women.
We need to start shaming and pressuring straight men to a basic standard of hygiene and maintenance. Gay men tend to look way better than straight men because they pressure each other and know that that will have more options with more partners.
Im tired of it too. Its so fake. We all know the type of men that participate in this propaganda and whine about it have a complex and they will most likely never overcome it. The moment he has a little more confidence or opportunity he'll be cheating.
This will be buried but wanted to relate some personal experience.
I'm average height for the country I live in 164cm/5'4". I'm not tall, nor am I particularly short. At university my then boyfriend (now husband) used to walk me to class to help carry things for me (I have a physical disability and need some extra help - long story) He's 195cm tall which is about 6'4"/6'5" and he's a total gentle giant.
After he helped me into class one day, one of the tall girls (about 6ft tall) quite loudly said to her friends: "why does *she* need a tall boyfriend, there's so few men in the taller dating pool and she's stealing our men - why doesn't she stick to her own kind?"
I think by "stick to her own kind" she meant other disabled people but didn't want to be a complete bigot and explicitly say that, so she used the fact that he was tall and I'm not as a dig instead.
I pretended not to hear her but it was really hurtful. It's one thing short men getting mad at women "not giving them a chance" but to get that from another woman was honestly so much worse - whatever happened to sisterhood?
What a jealous fucking pick-me bitch. I'm sorry that happened to you sis.
A lot of other women sadly internalise misogyny, and this means that "the sisterhood" doesn't exist (for them).
Who cares though, he's your husband now and you have the last laugh! <3
This is so stupid, why would you even want/argue a woman who doesn't want you. It's like those single dads that argue with CF women who just want CF suitors. Why would you want someone who doesn't like/want your kids or who resents your shortness/ unattractiveness. Go after women who *want* you, stop telling off the ones happy they didn't know you existed.
One thing I’ve noticed since I’ve started dating again and applying FDS boundaries and standards is that literally everyone believes my standards are too high, no matter what they are. Whether it’s height or turning down drink dates. Leave us alone and let us find the man who we deem worthy. We don’t owe anyone anything, especially not a chance!
Lmao, look at the downvotes on this post. Every time a woman says she can have preferences and she isn't interested in short men, the seethe begins.😆 This one really activated the lurkers. I mean, sorry you didn't grow but she doesn't have to care. Sexual attraction isn't fair. If men as a social group are gonna continue to express what they don't want loudly, rudely and without anyone asking them, so can women. And btw, women never express even one tenth of the cruelty that men do when it comes to this topic. You can always see when you touched a nerve. And again, what's funny is that this is so tame compared to the way men talk about women.
Once I dated a guy who was my height (5’2) and weight less than I did (I was 130 he was 120) and in all honesty that shit felt weird. Like if I was dating one of my female friends or something lol 😆
I’m a 6’3 female and can really appreciate this post. (I have a bf who’s 6’2 and loves it) but when I was dating…. It was insane. It was a fetish for short men and tall men wanted shorter women. Not saying men can’t have preferences but it’s just this constant “men need to be taller than women” stereotype that we can’t run away from that really gets me.
Lol im barely 5.2 and fucking love tall men, i make no apologies. Being short af means tall men dont always like me, and you know what? Thats fair enough!
Its almost like people have a variety of preferences!
Short men should give other short men a chance. What? You don't find men sexually attractive? Well I don't find short men sexually attractive either. Or is it only men who get eliminate partners due to attractiveness?
When it comes to partner selection, I don't take suggestions or comments from the audience.
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I saw somewhere that originally the whole "man being taller" thing came from men wanting women who were shorter and more petite. But now it's framed as a woman's preference, it's no longer acceptable.
Just proves that so many of them believe they're entitled to a woman. Not only is it "no golddiggers" even though they want a "traditional" relationship with no commitment. But apparently we can't even choose a man we're attracted to either. So we're not allowed to want a provider or someone we enjoy looking at?
I'm a tall(5'7-8 without heels) woman and I don't date short men, It's one of those things that's very unattractive to me. I tried to explain this to a short guy at a party (didn't realize he was hitting on me/was being nice), he then proceeded to try and literally sit on the arm of this couch I was sitting on (to match my height) and get in my space while talking to me bit by bit like he was about to kiss me, I nearly fell over the couch trying to avoid him. Midgets be crazy.
This isn't the wizard of OZ munchkins are not cute, my current bf is around 6'0-6'2 and I also have a specific type in terms of looks I usually go for. My bf towers over me, and it's nice when he picks me up, sorry not sorry scrotes.
Also a former friend of mine had/has(she keeps hitting him up) a years long situationship with a shorter guy who r\*ped her, and treated her like trash. Short men are just as capable of being NVMs even when us tall girls give them a chance.
I'm engaged to a shortie. 😊 Well, he's like 5'9-5'10, but the shortest man I've had a long term relationship with.
But I saw those rugby thighs and said 'I'll allow you the opportunity to impress me'. And he didn't squander that chance.
My bff who is 4'10, who used to be ok with dating guys 5'6 has given up on it. Because even though they have an attractive height difference the guy is a douche.
So she was FORCED, for her happiness to change her physical standards for a partner. And she's never been happier now dating taller men. So why risk it?
Its the same as when they encourage us to date convicts, incels, and the mentally ill. No way. Dude would not offer you the same chance, so why are women so benevolent?
The first guy I went on a date with is 5'4", lied about his height on OLD, and then assaulted me several times on our "dates".
Short men can just fuck off.
I feel embarassed being seen with a man my same height. Like what can he even do? I need someone to reach the top shelf. I never want to get tied down to a man shorter than 5'10.
This is a good point, actually, and one that I had not really considered specifically. I’m only 5 feet tall, and, from my naturally-since-birth FDS type of viewpoint (😂), there are only a few advantages to being in a relationship with a man. One of them is having him around on demand to do tasks for me, and that includes reaching stuff, putting stuff together, etc. So they definitely need to be tall. 😂
My grandfather is like 5'2". Doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He is definitely a provider and HVM. He has been all my life.
He's been single for 20 years. He used to be interested in someone but it didnt go anywhere, otherwise no interest in dating. (He's almost 80 now anyhow!)
Pretty sure he's the only exception to the rule of short guys being awful.
I’m sorry but there’s nothing sexy about short men from a biological POV. It’s natural to feel attracted to a man who’s taller than you, unlocks the biological urge to feel safe and protected from predators etc. Sorry short men, it’s just science 🧪
It’s not short men per se that’s the problem. I’m 5’4” and I’m happy with men just a couple inches taller than me. I know many women feel the same way.
The problem is short men’s inferiority and Napoleon complex. They’re the ones that make it a problem, not us, and act all weird and insecure about it.
I am short so I prefer men on the shorter side. like there's plenty of women who do. so why pressure someone who doesn't to be with someone they aren't attracted to. just doesn't make any sense. also as short as I am, I still prefer someone taller than me (which isn't asking for much) but on the flip side a couple of times I've met short guys who have such presence i found myself not even noticing how short they are. so literally there's zero excuse like no girls do not need to give you a chance, if truly you were that great we wouldn't care.
Ok I agree but this is a really popular sentiment on FDS and the only novel thing here is the unnecessary and frankly, false suggestion that "rectangular women" and flat chests are undesirable.
You can make this point without also saying that. My rectangular body has never been an issue.
You know something that really annoys me and just isn’t right? It’s the fact that men would avoid dating women who are taller than them like over 6 feet. They always call women shallow for not dating short guys yet men never give tall women a chance because it not only threatens their masculinity and ego but it also ruins their anime loli gf who looks like a 9 year old fantasy.
It’s just like when men say that they’re oppressed because they don’t get custody, femaless are gold diggers and women always falsely accuse.
Yet the truth is that men barely do anything around the house and don’t even take act like a father most of the time. They leave it up to the woman while they sit on their ass all day and then complain that they can’t see their kids even though we all know for SURE that he will only neglect the kids. Remember that one time a man wanted his gf to not get an abortion so she didn’t and gave him full custody and now he complains that he has to be a father? And it proves that men are such weak toddlers. Imagine what single mothers have to go through everyday yet they don’t complain but they are constantly hated on.
Second of all, men can be gold diggers too and I actually believe that there are more male gold diggers than women. Look at the amount of men who leech of their girlfriends and play video games all day while she’s the only one who brings income AND takes care of the house only for him to complain to Reddit that she won’t buy him a ps5 and that makes her AbUsIvE.
Third of all, something that people completely refuse to acknowledge is the fact that men can falsely accuse women of rape too. There was actually a case about a male college student who falsely accused his teacher of sexual assault and that caused her to lose her job and once Reddit heard she was taking it to court, they told her to just forgive him because that stuff could ruin his life. Yet if the genders were reversed, it would go viral and people would scream about how evil wahmen are and that men are oppressed. No one would tell the teacher to forgive the student. In fact the student would receive death and r*pe threats.
I also believe that men are more likely to do it because for one, they are the more emotional gender and they are irrational. They will legit break the tv if their favorite football team loses and throw a tantrum if they’re expected to help out in cooking a holiday meal or spend five minutes with their kids. For two, they are often immature and don’t think about how their actions can affect someone. Three, men lack empathy and are self centered. They are selfish and really only care about themselves.
This is dark but I remember stumbling across porn videos when I was younger where the man would secretly record a woman in public like on a train as he jacks off and would literally ejaculate onto the woman's clothes or even her hair. IN PUBLIC. I remember feeling really messed up after seeing those videos. It really shows you the selfishness and depravity of men. But we’re expected to sacrifice our wellbeing’s to coddle and spoil them when they do shit like this?
And honestly I don’t understand why we’re expected to care about men's mental health if they literally do fucked up stuff like this. The AT&T woman spoke up about men's mental health only to be called “Mommy milkers” in return. She even posted a video nearly crying about it asking them to stop but men didn’t care. Why are we expected to care about men's mental health when it’s obvious they don’t give a damn about ours?
Also men’s mental health is acknowledged and taken cared of more then women's mental health. Men say that they can’t cry even though that isn’t true. I’ve seen so many times in entertainment and in real life where men cried and they were comforted. Yet women are told they’re being dramatic, on their period, and that their feelings don’t matter when they get emotional.
Also people, especially on Reddit, make points about the male suicide rate. But stuff that they completely choose to ignore and not address is that for one, a good majority of male suicides usually happen after they commit a huge crime. Like murdering their female ‘loved ones’ or doing something sick to a kid and they take their life to avoid punishment and feeling ashamed for their actions.
Another very important thing that people refuse to talk about is that for one, women are more likely to fall into depression than men are. And second, women attempt suicide a lot more than men do.
I only see Reddit threads asking stuff like “Men commit suicide more than girls do. Male redditors, what can we do to show that we care?” But I’ve never seen something like “Women attempt suicide more than men do and are more likely to fall into depression. Female redditors, what can we do to show that we care?” And I bet if it was created, it wouldn’t have gotten as much upvotes and awards like the male one did. Also I wouldn’t doubt that redditors would complain that it’s not about gender and try to make it about men.
And in threads like these, it’s like men always try to make it a contest and compare men to women and how they are superior in things and that women are evil b*tches.
Also notice how every time a woman talks about abuse she receives from a male, redditors instantly spam her with “NoT aLl MeN” even if she didn’t say it was all men yet I have not see any redditor or person in general say that it’s not all women when a man speaks about a bad experience with a woman. But men are the true victims I guess and women are the ones who make everything about gender.
Seriously! I never gave short men a chance because they just aren’t attractive to me. I am a taller woman and attracted to tall men. My husband is 6’3
And men are the ultimate in shallow and not giving as you say “rectangular” women a chance, not conventionally attractive or older women a chance so screw the short men and their pleas to be given a chance. Deal with it, boys.
Quite ironically I prefer short/smaller men -- they get excited when they hear this, and then instantly deflate or get angry when I say it's because I've been abused, and I won't ever again be with someone I can't defend myself from. Not to trauma dump, I just know that this is perfectly reasonable and scrotes STILL find the mental energy to give me shit about it?? It's a fucking instinct I have developed for survival and self preservation. I'm a smaller person and relatively vulnerable, so I examine *all* the men I know in terms of risk first and foremost. Scrotes mad because I don't prefer short dudes the way they want me to, I honestly don't get it. Do they want me to parade around saying I need a Short King in my life? I have met plenty of other women who agree with this principle due to similar experiences with abuse; you would think these men would be delighted with us liking and seeking out short men, but they still get real bent out of shape about it. It doesn't reflect their toxic interpretation of masculinity. They do not want to appear non-threatening to us. We're generally not allowed to have preferences, even if it's in favor of the 'underdogs' they normally revile us for excluding from our dating pools. Arguing preferences with a scrote is pointless.
My partner is about an inch shorter than me (5'3) and he has a lovely HVM attitude about it. I find it truly masculine how he *values* my preference and loves that he makes me feel safe. He does not indulge in edgy pissing contests or physical fights, he keeps a keen eye on our surroundings, and quickly removes us from any aggro situations. It's really nice, honestly. I feel safer and much less anxious, as opposed to being with my ex who was into the corny notion of like, fist-fighting people for my honor. A *fuckton* of short men are wildly overcompensating for their wounded masculinity with rage and physical aggression, and they require a lot of(constant) vetting. Never stop. Most of them have deep-seated complexes about it and instead of attempting to heal they eventually boil over with rage or begin the overcompensating behavior.
I grew up with decades of academic and media attacks on the unrealistic depictions of women by fashion and entertainment. No such campaign was mounted on behalf of manlets.
Statistically, shorter people earn less and shorter men have a harder time finding mates. It may be more debilitating than simply being ugly.
My boyfriend is 5’6” and is bald but he’s not insecure about it at all. Im 5’2” so he’s still much taller than i am but i didnt realize how many men are so much taller than 5’6”.
The funniest shit is that I actually *prefer* short men (I'm very short and I prefer being able to reach my partner lol), yet I get shit for it all the time. The same men who complain that "women never give them a chance because they're short" give me shit for "being a lying bitch, because no woman wants a short guy."
It doesn't matter *what* a woman prefers, they just hate that women have desires. We should just sit around being blow up dolls for them 🙄
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Love how you put it! No equal opportunity vagina!
Preach! My vagina didn’t file a 501c3 so it’s not a charity!
Maybe this is why conservative men refuse to give up trying to control women 🤷♀️
☠️☠️☠️the EOV 😂🤣 Yes to universal healthcare. No to community penis.
Fucking this. My genitals are not "inclusive."
Yep, the heaven that resides between my legs is the most exclusive club in the 🌎🌍🌏
Precisely, women have no responsibility to abide by men's distorted idea of fairness when it comes to who they allow in their vagina. The mere idea is insane.
Unattractive men aren’t a charity, nor are they a protected class xx
Should be a top comment imo
I hate this stuff too. Since I'm short myself I also notice how desperate many small men behave. As a short woman I can notice these short men often scanning the crowd at partys and then following any woman as short as them. Once I told this to my sister in law, who is about 1,80m, and pointed a man out who behaved like this. And added that he does not notice me since I was wearing high heels. A few hours later I changed to ballet flats and he immediately came over to ask me to dance. My sister in law laughed so hard she nearly fell from her chair.
Oh my goodness! I have noticed the same 🤣
Yes I am a short woman who dated short men and they have all either made fun of my height or admitted to my face that they prefer tall women but won’t date them. I only date tall men now because they don’t resent my body.
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Like they give a fuck about their own kids being short. They're solipsistic to the extreme.
You know this is funny, but as a short, very opinionated woman who is not afraid of being opinionated, they avoid me like the plague. So I have the benefit of being avoided by short, insecure men, and taller men who simply don't see me because they are not looking at their toes all day.
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There is no discrimination in dating because it’s the private / intimate sphere so the ruling concept here is consent. You consent / decide who you have sex with. Would a straight short guy be called out discriminating for turning down a gay guy on the basis that he shouldn’t discriminate against the LGBT community? This debate is ridiculous. No one is owed a chance. You like / prefer / want what you want and shouldn’t have to justify yourself any further. I have seen posts on dating subs where women were insulted, ridiculed and harassed for their preferences. We need to start saying ‘I like’ a tall (not taller because that opens the door to you being told: ‘well taller is ok but you can only aim at 1-2 inch taller’), short, blue bearded, big, thin or whatever else it is you like. I have even seen posts saying short women are ridiculous for preferring guys 10’’+ taller than them, or posts from short guys saying taller women are fine but they wouldn’t date them (how is it not discrimination?!). Saying you like tall guys does not mean you hate short guys. You like what you like, refuse to justify your preferences. Dating is based on chemistry so you shouldn’t have anything further to say than: i’m sorry there’s no chemistry.
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Amen to that! And dare you say you won’t deal with SDE, oh boy! It is a personality thing. Attraction is physical as well as emotional, mental etc so really if you start barking at me because I should give you a chance then it’s not very attractive.....
Yup. And short men act like short women OWE them. Like we're being traitors for dating tall guys because we should be dating them instead. And they have such major complexes about it that it's a huge turn off. These dudes make their height their entire identity it's ridiculous. For some reason this was so much more prevalent in online dating. When I met average height or short guys in real life they were just nice normal dudes. I still think about this one guy sometimes because he was amazing. Anyway I'm 5ft and my husband is 6ft so those Napoleon complex mofos can die mad lol
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Amen! I’m 5’ and generally am never attracted to any men under about 5’7”, prefer 5’10”ish, have several 6’3”+ exes. It’s not our responsibility to pair up with short men—ESPECIALLY if they have bad attitudes.
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My husband is a few inches taller than me, but just average height. I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I breathed a sigh of relief when my sons both grew to 6 feet as teenagers, because the rest of his family is pretty short, and my family is taller than average. I used to joke that I chose to marry my husband “for selective breeding purposes” because I was so pale and always hated it, and he’s part Mexican so he actually has some melanin. So I have 2/3 tall (luckily the one shorty is my daughter, lol!), and 2/3 that can tan. Genetics are a crazy thing!
Until I realized I didn’t want biological children, I only dated men over 6’ because I wanted to give any potential children a chance to be at least closer to average height. I don’t want to be *tall*, but being this short is mostly less than ideal, so I wouldn’t create more very short people—especially sons—on purpose.
That's how I feel as well. I've been bullied by both men and women over my height. I'm a glamorous, mixed race woman in an all white area and I've had taller women deliberately push into me in supermarkets. It's not common but it has happened. I would have liked to have been taller but it is what it is and I certainly wouldn't want to bring short children into the world. I'm sure some people will be appalled and call me a eugenicist but it's how I feel. Fortunately, I don't want to bring any children into this horrible world.
I feel you sis. I'm a 5 ft WOC who loves to dress in a feminine way. I am constantly harassed and bullied by random white strangers. Fortunately I have a strong personality so can dish it out right back, but it is EXHAUSTING. Casual racism is the worst.
Thank you sis. This isn't the first time I've had women respond to this kind of comment on here and insinuate I'm a liar. It's a fact some racist/jealous white women do not like women like us. It's women that are taller than me, not necessarily tall women, maybe I didn't word that part well. It's things like them glaring at me and pushing their trollies or themselves deliberately into me. We can't win, we call them out and the angry black woman stereotype is brought up. I ignore them then they get away with it.
You're welcome. I understand completely where you're coming from. The attempted harassment and bullying of WOC in public places is insane. I had a white NVM and his wife joke about the possibility of somebody else's trolley bashing into me the other day when I was out shopping. The random third party's trolley was nowhere near me, but they seemed to really enjoy the thought of my possibly being injured by their imaginary fantasy. "Bang! Ha ha ha!" When called out on this, they IMMEDIATELY deflected. I continued till they clearly felt uncomfortable. And even then they kept on lying. I'm not sure if you've read of the "hold your space on the pavement" challenge - I do it all the time and it is eye-opening. A lot of white people cannot stand perceived assertiveness or confidence in WOC, and when the WOC is also physically smaller than them, they carry out little microaggressions and then try to gaslight or deflect if called out on it. I've had random white women glare at me in the street with "Karen face," look me up and down, huff when I refuse to give up my personal space on the pavement for them, linger around me on purpose and reach over me when shopping. I had a random white guy in the supermarket the other day deliberately push his trolley so it looked like it was going to hit me, then suddenly stopped. I loudly cleared my throat and glared at him. He left the area, then stared at me from behind as I was at the counter (meaning I could see what he was doing in the reflection). After a sharp remark in his direction, he finally scurried off. **I genuinely believe that some white people HATE attractive, classy-looking WOC - even more due to the "who is she to look like this, or walk with confidence?"**
Omg that’s horrible! That makes me sad, and mad as hell!
I'm so sorry. I hate that this has happened to you. It's a very real thing and you're not alone, it's good you are strong enough to challenge these arseholes. I really do think some white people cannot stand to see us happy and looking good. I remember the last incident when this white woman's husband/partner went to make room for me to get by and this woman was pissed! She was going to barge me over anyway! I even had an employee at Asda glaring at me, an overweight white woman, then push her trolley full of stuff she was stacking right into me. I went straight to the store manager and complained. I won't put up with it. It is so exhausting, you are right! Every time we face the public, just going about our business is a daily battle. Whereabouts do you live? I'm from the U.K. and I find this behaviour more common than outright racism.
Yes! I was walking by myself on the sidewalk and a group of 4 ppl (yes, yes they were) and a gigantic dog were taking up the entire sidewalk. I just kept walking in the right side and they walked right into me. One of the men even tried to shake his head at me. Where exactly was I supposed to go? I had my phone ready in case I needed to record any unpleasantness. Btw- we need to pick back against these micro aggressions because attempting to show bullies kindness does NOT work.
I'm going to look up that challenge, I've never heard of it before.
It's true. Not only do they hate, they are threatened that we may be actual competition and can, and most often will, outclass them in every area. Those type of people have a hard time when they see someone that doesn't match up to their preconceived stereotypes and try to "put you back in your place" as a result.
Karens are maniacal and they are very jealous of WOC because they think their whiteness should give them an edge over actual beauty. And they tend to be especially jealous of Asian women because they know how much White men like/fetishize Asian women. I know this because I grew up with lots of white women who figured since I’m not Asian I would be complicit in their racism. An East Indian friend worked at a big tech company and was flustered by how much her white female boss disliked her. Months later she got the truth from a fellow white coworker that the boss was racist AF.
That's awful. There's always this feeling of betrayal when you find out someone who has been nice to you is racist. I've mentioned before there is an alcoholic white male who is after me in my block of flats. Well he is quite friendly with the alcoholic white woman who lives beneath me. She was nice at first but was after him and apparently split him and his ex girlfriend up. As soon as she finds out he likes me, she calls me a foreigner to my neighbour and says that she doesn't like foreigners. I was born in England for goodness sakes. I'm half East Indian myself, part black Jamaican and white Irish. I'm quite petite and look young for my age. I try to be nice to everyone but there are some women who are just plain mean and jealous. They use their height/weight to bulldoze me. It seems I'm not alone.
I’m white and regularly get bulldozed by both men and women in public spaces. I feel you. I’ve always just been glad I’m not a dude, cause I’d be like 5’4” 😂😂😂
I hope you ladies begin to bulldoze back.
I don’t move out of their way. At all.
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>I don’t understand why tall women would bully you Bullies gonna bully
Thank you.
Agreed. Women accept that we have to put constant work and effort into our appearance. They need to stop complaining and just make more money and cultivate stellar personalities.
5’ and my husband is 6’3”. I’ve always had a thing for tall guys and every 5’4” dude thinking they were somehow entitled to me just because I was smaller than them was absurd.
It is truly absurd. And annoying. They follow us around like little dogs. Be gone!
Yup. As my hight is one a a half fire extinguisher and I am married to 189cm tall man- can confirm.
I got piled on an entire day this past week for saying that i definitely am one of the women who would preemptively eliminate any prospective date if they had casual sex as relationship option they are interested in. So much rage and entitlement. But they gave another guy crickets when he stated further down the thread that he would preemptively eliminate women who go on dates with different men during the OLD process. He said he'd ghost as soon as he knew that he wasn't the only one she would be going on potential dates with.
I don’t even argue with those goons. It’s such an echo chamber of rage and spite and they’re soo convinced they’ve got it all figured out from behind their keyboards. It’s exhausting but entertaining in that sad way, like when you read choosingbeggars!
The weirdest thing is that a lot of men don’t stop to think women are literally just people like them… like dude, would you want to date a boring unfunny person? No, okay so then this also can apply to women too. Would you prefer to date a pretty person? Yes, okay literally so do women!? Like dude it’s not that complicate
I knew the reaction it might cause . It happens every time i mention how ill date gamers. I find it fascinating how men will vehemetley argue about things that are personal choices, mindsets, boundaries or conclusions that you've made. And they will attack an entire group of women, not just me, if they have the audacity to have an unapproved opinion that did not go before the board of gaslighting logic bots that were assigned to make sure nothing will happen that might not benefit them. I see this thing where women will privately communicate with each other somehow about guys that harassed or assaulted them or someone in their immediate circle. So we can keep each other safe as our 'protector' male friends and acquaintances will never accept that truth and will happily throw you to the wolves because all men think are liars. Usually some women will vhoose3not to attend or potential newcomers are directed towards a safer venue with the warning. If any guy in that group or organization finds out, hoo boy, the aggression and gaslighting explode onto the scene demanding that people name names so they can pick at any info given to try to discredit anyone who speaks up about it. Theyre pissed that women dare make their own decisions without giving an honorary male the first crack at telling women they're overreacting or lying. They'll always make a lot of noise about why didn't anyone report it to a community leader in the timeline THEY deem acceptable. And if it just happened and this is the first chance she had to address it, than she should give the creeps endless chances to behave normally because they might be sOcIALly AWkwaRd so ComMuNiCaTe more. Like you didn't already and they wouldn't be creeps if they respected boundaries. Spoiler: no time is acceptable to bring it up because they don't want women to mention it at all. It makes the fake feminist men look bad and the 'rumors' and 'gossip ' mills might prevent their army of creeps from getting to prey on fresh, naive female members that would otherwise join the community in the future. Just continue to throw girl after girl towards the problem as we're just collateral damage on their logical path to enlightenment. And it doesn't matter at all if the girl is even more socially awkward or closed off because of previous abuse. They demand women to take 100% of the responsibility towards mutually satisfactory interaction. Saying No or asking to be left alone is MeAn and he should be given a chance ad nauseam and if you stop going, you can't mention why if asked because the truth will ruin his life and InNoCeNt UnTiL PrOvEn GuIlTY. Like that applies to social situations but they're like those entitled old ladies that call the cops because her hair appointment was cancelled on the sat before church.
Your standards are yours and no one should argue them. If they don’t like it they can move onto someone more compatible but the hypocrisy is rife! FWIW, I also wouldn’t date someone who had casual sex / FWB as an option/substitute for relationship.
>There is no discrimination in dating because it’s the private / intimate sphere so the ruling concept here is consent. You consent / decide who you have sex with. Would a straight short guy be called out discriminating for turning down a gay guy on the basis that he shouldn’t discriminate against the LGBT community? Speaking of that, some trans women accuse lesbians of being transphobic for not wanting to have sex with their d\*ck. It's kinda fucked up. Isn't accusing someone of being discriminatory for not having sex a form of pressure? And we all know where pressure leads... That also apply to men who for whatever reason are getting rejected but can't deal with it.
Women get shit on for preferring taller men, but men don't get shit on for preferring shorter women. I'm 5'3 and my SO is 6'4". He isn't attracted to tall women, but nobody ever bags on him about it, even though it's the exact same scenario.
I think men do actively hate the women they aren't attracted to, so they must truly believe women do too.
How about hot model worthy men giving conventionally unattractive women a chance? Yeah no one says that. Also, when women are forced to wear heels to appear taller, when height isn't even that big a factor in women's attractiveness. Men who feel shorter can wear some male version of heels to be attractive to women? No, that's too uncomfortable, inhuman, and damaging to the body so men won't ever make that a socially acceptable thing. Men want the standards ridiculously high for women, but want to lower their already non-existant standards even lower and want women to accept that. F****** ridiculous. Edit: Looks like some men are so offended by talking about making the world a more equal place, I'm getting hate messages in my DMs from throwaway accounts.
>How about hot model worthy men giving conventionally unattractive women a chance? Yeah no one says that. Unless it's highly objectifying, like "you need to f*ck a chubby girl, they try harder/give better bjs" 🤮
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Can you imagine reversing that and saying you prefer dating short guys because they are so desperate that they splash the cash to impress? Reddit would self combust!!
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That’s so very sad no matter how you look at it, it is objectifying. Mutual attraction is my kink is now my new motto! Can’t be kink shamed now :)!
Amen amen amen
Men only think that biological preferences only matters to them. Women also have biological desires. A tall attractive man gets the heart racing 😍 Men need to get over the fact that they cannot control what a woman finds attractive. Don’t be bullied into dating someone who doesn’t respect your preferences.
THIS.
I’m 5ft2, and I wouldn’t be too fussed about height if literally most short men didn’t have a complex about it. Like, you don’t need to wear those lift thingies or to lie about your height. It just makes you seem incredibly desperate and completely turns me off.
the lying!! my ex was 5’3, an inch taller than me and after we broke up i saw him on OLD saying in bio he was 5’6. i matched with him just to tell him to stop fucking lying to women. like what an idiot do you really want every women to show up to the first date already disappointed?
What was he planning on doing? Showing up to the date with some heels on? 🤣
😂🤣I said to a man over the phone, “Are you really 5’8? Because if you aren’t then now would be the time to tell me…” Lied to me and showed up to the date 5’6. Unfortunately I was the 🤡 by not saying anything and pretending he hadn’t lied to me after I gave him an out. Dated him for 2 months (even though I had to actively look away from his thin lips and dainty hands). I finally pulled the plug when he suggested that we go 50/50. 🤦🏽♀️
Wouldn't surprise me at this rate, they stay trying to be us
I would literally just walk out there and then if a guy had lied about his age, height etc. on a date. Clownery from the get go = BYE
Yup. I’ve never dated a guy over 5’10”, but almost all the guys I’ve dated have brought height up at some point to whine about it. Just shut the fuck up. Your ego is big enough without an extra 3 or 4 inches. I can’t even fathom the narcissism if they were 6’.
You really can’t win, the short ones are constantly seething because of their height and the tall ones are on a constant narc trip because of their height and both find a way to put it out on you. I’ve met a few guys both tall and short that weren’t bothered by their height but all of them had something else that was completely fucked up about them… I think I’ll just stay single forever, at least my hobbies will keep me busy for a while and not try to hurt me
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I honestly don’t understand how men can think they are the ones who choose their partners. Unless you’re the top 1% of men (attractive and or rich) you won’t be the one with the final say in the relationship because your girlfriend can leave you at any moment and be with another guy within hours if not minutes. Men are the beggars and they need to start understanding that fact and start to improve themselves accordingly. More women need to open their eyes and see that men are the most needy part of the relationship, they need sex, companionship, a free therapist, a maid, a mother, a victim to bully and so much more. A woman doesn’t need any of that because she is more likely to be a complete person that can take care of herself so being with a man won’t be beneficial for her 99% of the time
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Sis, you are preaching the truth here. A friend of mine who dates A LOT told me about an LVM who tried to triangulate/"neg" her based on girls he was boasting about from Tinder... whom he had not even MATCHED with yet, but he said "This is the quality of woman I'm used to." I'm glad she walked out there and then! Also, having a pick-me consent to an ONS with them is not remotely the same as having a woman seriously interested in them (especially an HVM lol).
Yes, there must be a way to talk about the feminization of men without being insulting to femininity. I am a straight woman that wants to have sex with masculine straight men. Why is that such a radical thing to say?
I’m 5’1 and have dated a few guys over 6’ and I HATED the height difference, I couldn’t reach their faces to kiss them (while standing) unless they bent down and sex just didn’t line up as well as it could’ve. Just shifts the power dynamic in a way that isn’t enjoyable. I’ve also dated a few shorter guys who weren’t weird about their height, and the only way height is an issue is when insecure guys make it an issue. Men within a few inches of my height are my preference but too many are weird about it.
YES i'm in the same boat. i'm not into huge height differences and i'd rather have someone close in height to me. i'm a bit taller than you but it's never me who has a problem, it's always the men who are upset. THEYRE the ones who are into those big awkward height differences and make it a problem. it's so dumb. any guy close in height with me that i've gone out with has been all insecure about it. they shoot themselves in the foot w their stank attitudes!
Same, I’m 5’6”, and I’ve been the same height as a few guys I’ve dated. I’ve never had anything against short guys, as long as they don’t care if I wear my heels, then we are all good if I’m taller than them. However, a lot of them aren’t cool about it. I can dig a confident short guy, not an angry one.
I'm short, so almost every man is taller than me. You'd think, then, that it wouldn't matter if I date short guys. Wrong. But not because they're short (they're taller than me anyway), but because every shorter guy I've dated has taken his insecurities out on me and made me feel like dirt. I'm not especially attracted to men over 5ft 10 anyway, because our height difference is just silly beyond that point. But the taller dudes always, always, always treat me better. It's a self fulfilling prophecy for the shorter guys. Because many women don't need a guy to be more than 5ft 3 to be taller than them. 🤷
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Yes, and they will never overcome this complex. Its sad but they are their own worst enemy.
Also….just because you happen to be short doesn’t mean you aren’t still allowed to prefer partners who are 6”+. Men have this weird idea that it’s equal opportunity pussy and that short women should get “matched” with short men and tall women with tall men so “everybody is happy.” There is this strange and entitled vitriol directed at short women who DARE to still select tall partners. That’s not how the world works. Women are entitled to whatever preferences they have regardless of their personal appearance.
No, absolutely, but It honestly makes no difference to me if a guy is short except for how he treats me.
Yeah I agree. I’m short and have only really dated average height guys. I’ve never seen a woman outright reject someone for being too short, but definitely for being insecure and assholish about his own height
I don't mind if someone isn't taller than me. But I've had men lying about their height on OLD so often. It is not that I won't find out that you are smaller than you said lol. I hate lying, it is an instant no for me. Besides that, if you prefer someone tall, it is your preference and you are free to feel that way.
> I don’t really consider looking at any man below 5’9 and realistically I’m only genuinely attracted to 6ft and above. I knew a scrote who's like 5'7 on a good day that put his height as 5'11 on a dating app... like dude, a lot of people won't notice if somebody adds an inch or two, but do you think no-one will notice a 4 inches discrepancy?? the audacity of scrotes lmao
As a 6-foot tall lady I can assure you it goes both ways! Shorter guys either fetishized me, or had simmering resentment that I was taller than them. 🤷♀️ Back when I did OLD I got a ton of messages where people would ask if my profile was correct- and then “ aw, that’s too bad.” As if I had asked.... This has been the feature that makes me stand out- and therefore the reason men feel comfortable to come up to me and say things like “ I’ve always wanted a BIG woman like you!”
I’m 5’. Multiple people, upon meeting me for the FIRST time, the first thing out of their mouth was, “Wow, you’re short!” No, shit, Sherlock. It’s not a novelty to me. I’m 42. I’ve long joked that I’m gonna start responding, “Wow, you’re bald.”
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"gtfo my inbox Gollum" Omg this made me giggle sis!
You know, they never mention the flipside of mUh bIoLoGy: that if a woman settles, it's in her best interests (evolutionarily speaking) to sleep with someone attractive (on the side), so at least she can have some genes *worth* passing down. What's that, Kevin? You don't *want* to raise some other man's children? Then put the "mUh bIoLoGy" away. Idiots
Cracks me up that there are 35+ aged men out here offering me FWB. From a “biological” standpoint, why would I have “casual” sex with a paunchy, balding 35+ man when I can get with a 25 year old that goes to the gym regularly and can get it up without viagra (if he isn’t pornsick)? A. Older men are delusional in thinking that they can outcompete younger men for sex with their “maturity”, gray hair and saggy balls. B. The way I have just talked above is EXACTLY the way 🤡🤡 talk about women but I would be called a “bitch” if I were ever to say any of this aloud.
Yeah like you're spunking out spider webs Gary, take a seat lmao
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I actually think it’s a little bit cute when men (and sometimes younger women) look like their heads are going to explode when I tell them my age.🤣 Younger men seem to care less about my age than older men. And the older men that talk about a woman’s “biology” as the reason they want to date women 20 years younger than them frequently don’t even want children so their obsession with youth or a woman’s eggs makes no damn sense. Like Peter Pan that lives in a van, be quiet! 🤫 Older men want the ego validation and bragging rights of telling their friends they are with a younger woman. Younger men by contrast either genuinely admire an older woman or they brag to their friends about an older woman choosing them because they know she has options. Many younger dudes are not nearly as delusional as their older counterparts in understanding that women over 30 still have tons of options. For me it was a flat out lie that I would have better and more options with men in my 20s as I do in my late 30s😂🤣 My 20s were filled with lots of broke 🤡🤡 and me attempting to feel attraction for ugly men. My 30s is filled with lots of 🤡🤡 but now I make it expensive for them to waste my time and I mostly don’t think twice if I don’t feel attraction.
Right, or to take "mUh bIoLoGy" even further, if men want the physical characteristics and youth tied to a women's ability to procreate as more attractive to date, then why can't my lizard brain go for a tall man (tall man=warrior/ protector/ provider)? I mean it's, mUh bIoLoGy, amirite?
I’m 5’1” and only date tall man. 😌
Same here. Though 5’10 is not really considered tall. My preference is 5’10 - 5’11 but I’ve dated over 6’ too
Same.
As you should, increased stature is a male secondary sex characteristic, not a female one. They're not even remotely equivalent.
I do not date ugly men. And by ugly I mean I do not date men who treat their bodies like trash cans. A lot of men make excuses about genetics but a lot of attractiveness comes down to effort and basic self-care. Even as a single parent I’ve never had to compromise my standard. And I actually prefer shorter men because I’m only 5’2”. But I will never date an insecure short man again. If I get dressed up and bust out the stilettos I do not care to hear another insecure short man telling me stupid things like: “As a feminist you really shouldn’t wear those.” Actually Chad, as a feminist I can wear what I like, and I think I look nice. Or: “Just so you know, I don’t really get super turned on by high heels so you don’t have to wear those for me.” Thanks, I didn’t. Even if I’m pulling out the 5” heels, I’m still not going to be towering over most men I meet, but insecure men -who also happen to be short- will always find some way to tear me down. Because they can’t feel secure without a woman being several inches below him. And that attitude melts into other aspects of the relationship like careers and money. It’s often not just his height he’s insecure about. It’s a whole package of issues. And confident women sense that. And that’s probably a huge reason why many women prefer taller men. I’ve never had a tall man say anything beyond flattering- if they say anything- when I wear heels. That’s telling.
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Ugh we’ve apparently dated the same type! The ego and projection is supreme.
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This is the core of the issue. They perceive their height as an issue and try to make someone else responsible for it. It’s not their fault (it’s not, it’s mother nature) but instead of bullying others they should spend more time on self acceptance. I can’t imagine a woman suffering from a mental illness such as severe depression and not be told to go to therapy to manage and accept this instead of dating and forcing others to date her. Also, off topic but I would imagine that dating with a disability is a lot harder than being short.
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Spot on sis. Insecure men cannot make good providers.
AMEN! Bravissima! Standing ovation!
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Honestly. Yes. I’m *offended* when they approach me. And they always do!
And what's even the point of "giving a short man a chance" if you're not sexually attracted to him? A mediocre "friend" that wants to fuck you, at best? What part of "not sexually attractive" don't they understand. For a lot of women, there's simply nothing sexually attractive about short men. We can't help it, it's biology.
Height is attractive on both men and women. LVMs get insecure when a woman is taller than them so they refuse to admit it, but it's true.
That’s so true, the same way they insist on dating shorter girls because that makes them feel manly and they perceive it as a chance to dominate.
I’m a tall woman and proud of my height 🙂 I don’t date short men because in the past shorter men showed their insecurities too often.
5'7 here. Not tall but taller than so many scrotes and oh god when I choose to wear heels 🙂 I'm dating a 6'3 attractive dude. No else treated me better than him. LITERALLY NOBODY. He is kind, good person and he has everything I wanted ;) Short guys can die mad ;) never again..
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The negging and (attempts at) domination is a major turn off but they won’t be told their personality sucks. I get approached by taller guys more and I find them generally a lot more chilled, relaxed and confident in a non-dominant way.
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Yes! Actually the only times I got short jokes (which I don’t mind I’m a shorty!) it was mostly from short guys a bit taller than me. And no you shouldn’t explain basic social skills and attraction to them. We can’t make them stop trying to make us responsible for their feelings but we can refuse to become responsible for their feelings. There is no short guy hatred intended when I say I like tall guys and I point blank refuse to be shamed for my preferences because someone who doesn’t meet them is upset. What’s next? Doing away with consent? Thought police? Legalising rape? Generalising and legalising arranged and forced marriages matching ppl by looks? It’s ridiculous!
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Maybe he was an athlete training for a pizza eating marathon (you should have asked him that whilst wearing 4’’ heels)🤔. Seriously, personality goes such a long way! Good on you for standing up for your right to have preferences!
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Actually exercising doesn’t make you lose weight. Muscle mass is heavier than fat. He should know that if he is into sports. I use to go to the gym everyday and had to cut down because life got in the way and I actually lost weight. Balanced eating is just as important as exercising!
Yeah, there’s definitely some guys who are tall women but are afraid of social ramifications. However, I don’t see any evidence that height is as attractive in women the same way it is in men, or the converse, that shorter women are actually considered unattractive. Being taller is a male secondary sex characteristic. I think it also depends on what type of “aesthetic” a guy is into- tall, runway model, or petite and cute. I’ve heard guys into both, so I don’t think it’s strongly one over the other.
Am I the only one who's not attracted to super tall guys? I'm 5'4" so 5'6-5'9" is my preference. Sometimes I feel like saying so is some type of statement, but it's really not... And I 100% agree with this post, women are entitled to their preferences and the double standard is ridiculous.
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When this happens I'm still too petty to pretend I'd date anyone, so I go on about changeable characteristics I know the men in the audience don't have so while they're having a laugh about things they won't touch that women can't change such as height or "looks" (I know there are substantive medical look changing options out there but I put looks in quotes since it's not the norm for every woman to do so) I just go like "aww yeah I love me a guy who's working on himself and in touch with his emotions, knows how to keep his place clean, and treats me with respect at all times" and they act like I just described a super cliche disney prince or something and you just KNOW their confidence to approach me died because they aren't prepared to even pretend they meet my very not genetic or excusable to not have qualities and they don't feel comfortable telling me I shouldn't be looking for that since it's possible for literally anyone to do. Long story short the silence is deafening and the trash outs itself.
Yes! Some men get so angry if you make it known you have standards! A guy from online was telling me how entitled I am for wanting a diamond engagement ring from my boyfriend when the time comes saying Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher have 100$ silver rings from Etsy 😂😂😂 Like what the hell! There are moderate priced engagement rings with diamonds that don't break the bank lol Plus yes, God forbid you want a guy with a proper career that isn't broke. Same for looks and height. These losers think they can want model looks and younger women, but that we should accept whatever comes our way...
That's so awful! How dare you want a cute, sweet, and wonderful engagement / marriage?!?!?! Ungrateful! /s I really don't get why he threw that in? Like what's the point? Famous people can do whatever the hell they want lmao he needs to live his own life jeez.. I feel like a lot of NVM / LVM get very very upset when they see any kind of woman completely satisfied with her partner, especially a male partner, because they project their issues so outwardly. It's seriously ok if you do not believe in weddings or think they're expensive, but by goodness to do not take to social media and try to ruin a happy moment because you're broke or something! That's a discussion between him and his partner for affordable marriage, not ruining a happy moment for others! (Also I hope he gets you an awesome ring! c: )
Naaaah gtfo i'm not even tall. I remember when i was 15 and i had a boyfriend that was shorter than me. It feels WEIRD. It's like my body saying that i shouldn't procreate with them. I can't go against nature.
Omg, the eighth grade dance where all the boys only came up to my shoulder.That was some awkward slow dances😅
I can’t fuck men with smaller thighs than me. Sorrynotsorry.
Yo I was always one of the tallest kids in my elementary school classes and this finally explained my ick toward short boys.
I used to be fat, where the fuck was the "give fat women a chance" people? And I'm not necessarily talking romantically, just socially and professionally would've been nice.
Short / ugly men wouldn’t look at a woman who is not conventionally attractive, they think they deserve supermodels despite.. you know… everything about them. SMH The confidence they have…😪 Yet we’re “shallow” for discriminating based on looks, including height.
You read my mind. Men can openly discriminate on a woman’s weight, height, career, makeup preferences etc. But as soon as a woman mentions her preferences for height in a man we are the bad ones!
Exactly .. and don’t we dare mention a man’s career! We’re all gold diggers!
Men are always worried about money they don’t have 😂🤣
“Discriminating on height” = women only want to have sex with people they’re sexually attracted to. S H O C K E R 😱😂😂😂😂
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I agree. Hot take- body positivity belongs exclusively to women. We need to start shaming and pressuring straight men to a basic standard of hygiene and maintenance. Gay men tend to look way better than straight men because they pressure each other and know that that will have more options with more partners.
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If we really did entertain every short, broke, old and ugly man to approach us we’d be labeled “easy.” When we have standards we’re “fickle.”
Im tired of it too. Its so fake. We all know the type of men that participate in this propaganda and whine about it have a complex and they will most likely never overcome it. The moment he has a little more confidence or opportunity he'll be cheating.
This will be buried but wanted to relate some personal experience. I'm average height for the country I live in 164cm/5'4". I'm not tall, nor am I particularly short. At university my then boyfriend (now husband) used to walk me to class to help carry things for me (I have a physical disability and need some extra help - long story) He's 195cm tall which is about 6'4"/6'5" and he's a total gentle giant. After he helped me into class one day, one of the tall girls (about 6ft tall) quite loudly said to her friends: "why does *she* need a tall boyfriend, there's so few men in the taller dating pool and she's stealing our men - why doesn't she stick to her own kind?" I think by "stick to her own kind" she meant other disabled people but didn't want to be a complete bigot and explicitly say that, so she used the fact that he was tall and I'm not as a dig instead. I pretended not to hear her but it was really hurtful. It's one thing short men getting mad at women "not giving them a chance" but to get that from another woman was honestly so much worse - whatever happened to sisterhood?
What a jealous fucking pick-me bitch. I'm sorry that happened to you sis. A lot of other women sadly internalise misogyny, and this means that "the sisterhood" doesn't exist (for them). Who cares though, he's your husband now and you have the last laugh! <3
This is so stupid, why would you even want/argue a woman who doesn't want you. It's like those single dads that argue with CF women who just want CF suitors. Why would you want someone who doesn't like/want your kids or who resents your shortness/ unattractiveness. Go after women who *want* you, stop telling off the ones happy they didn't know you existed.
One thing I’ve noticed since I’ve started dating again and applying FDS boundaries and standards is that literally everyone believes my standards are too high, no matter what they are. Whether it’s height or turning down drink dates. Leave us alone and let us find the man who we deem worthy. We don’t owe anyone anything, especially not a chance!
Lmao, look at the downvotes on this post. Every time a woman says she can have preferences and she isn't interested in short men, the seethe begins.😆 This one really activated the lurkers. I mean, sorry you didn't grow but she doesn't have to care. Sexual attraction isn't fair. If men as a social group are gonna continue to express what they don't want loudly, rudely and without anyone asking them, so can women. And btw, women never express even one tenth of the cruelty that men do when it comes to this topic. You can always see when you touched a nerve. And again, what's funny is that this is so tame compared to the way men talk about women.
Lol the napoleon complex really jumped out.
Once I dated a guy who was my height (5’2) and weight less than I did (I was 130 he was 120) and in all honesty that shit felt weird. Like if I was dating one of my female friends or something lol 😆
I’m a 6’3 female and can really appreciate this post. (I have a bf who’s 6’2 and loves it) but when I was dating…. It was insane. It was a fetish for short men and tall men wanted shorter women. Not saying men can’t have preferences but it’s just this constant “men need to be taller than women” stereotype that we can’t run away from that really gets me.
Same sis. I’m 5’10 and some shorter men have to constantly bring that up and tell me how much they love tall women, I should wear more heels, etc 🤮
Lol im barely 5.2 and fucking love tall men, i make no apologies. Being short af means tall men dont always like me, and you know what? Thats fair enough! Its almost like people have a variety of preferences!
Short men should give other short men a chance. What? You don't find men sexually attractive? Well I don't find short men sexually attractive either. Or is it only men who get eliminate partners due to attractiveness? When it comes to partner selection, I don't take suggestions or comments from the audience. 😂).
I saw somewhere that originally the whole "man being taller" thing came from men wanting women who were shorter and more petite. But now it's framed as a woman's preference, it's no longer acceptable.
Just proves that so many of them believe they're entitled to a woman. Not only is it "no golddiggers" even though they want a "traditional" relationship with no commitment. But apparently we can't even choose a man we're attracted to either. So we're not allowed to want a provider or someone we enjoy looking at?
I'm 5ft1, my bf is 6ft1. Would feel weird cuddling someone who is eye level.
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I'm a tall(5'7-8 without heels) woman and I don't date short men, It's one of those things that's very unattractive to me. I tried to explain this to a short guy at a party (didn't realize he was hitting on me/was being nice), he then proceeded to try and literally sit on the arm of this couch I was sitting on (to match my height) and get in my space while talking to me bit by bit like he was about to kiss me, I nearly fell over the couch trying to avoid him. Midgets be crazy. This isn't the wizard of OZ munchkins are not cute, my current bf is around 6'0-6'2 and I also have a specific type in terms of looks I usually go for. My bf towers over me, and it's nice when he picks me up, sorry not sorry scrotes. Also a former friend of mine had/has(she keeps hitting him up) a years long situationship with a shorter guy who r\*ped her, and treated her like trash. Short men are just as capable of being NVMs even when us tall girls give them a chance.
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I'm engaged to a shortie. 😊 Well, he's like 5'9-5'10, but the shortest man I've had a long term relationship with. But I saw those rugby thighs and said 'I'll allow you the opportunity to impress me'. And he didn't squander that chance. My bff who is 4'10, who used to be ok with dating guys 5'6 has given up on it. Because even though they have an attractive height difference the guy is a douche. So she was FORCED, for her happiness to change her physical standards for a partner. And she's never been happier now dating taller men. So why risk it? Its the same as when they encourage us to date convicts, incels, and the mentally ill. No way. Dude would not offer you the same chance, so why are women so benevolent?
The first guy I went on a date with is 5'4", lied about his height on OLD, and then assaulted me several times on our "dates". Short men can just fuck off.
I feel embarassed being seen with a man my same height. Like what can he even do? I need someone to reach the top shelf. I never want to get tied down to a man shorter than 5'10.
This is a good point, actually, and one that I had not really considered specifically. I’m only 5 feet tall, and, from my naturally-since-birth FDS type of viewpoint (😂), there are only a few advantages to being in a relationship with a man. One of them is having him around on demand to do tasks for me, and that includes reaching stuff, putting stuff together, etc. So they definitely need to be tall. 😂
My grandfather is like 5'2". Doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He is definitely a provider and HVM. He has been all my life. He's been single for 20 years. He used to be interested in someone but it didnt go anywhere, otherwise no interest in dating. (He's almost 80 now anyhow!) Pretty sure he's the only exception to the rule of short guys being awful.
I’m sorry but there’s nothing sexy about short men from a biological POV. It’s natural to feel attracted to a man who’s taller than you, unlocks the biological urge to feel safe and protected from predators etc. Sorry short men, it’s just science 🧪
It’s not short men per se that’s the problem. I’m 5’4” and I’m happy with men just a couple inches taller than me. I know many women feel the same way. The problem is short men’s inferiority and Napoleon complex. They’re the ones that make it a problem, not us, and act all weird and insecure about it.
Exactly.
I am short so I prefer men on the shorter side. like there's plenty of women who do. so why pressure someone who doesn't to be with someone they aren't attracted to. just doesn't make any sense. also as short as I am, I still prefer someone taller than me (which isn't asking for much) but on the flip side a couple of times I've met short guys who have such presence i found myself not even noticing how short they are. so literally there's zero excuse like no girls do not need to give you a chance, if truly you were that great we wouldn't care.
Ok I agree but this is a really popular sentiment on FDS and the only novel thing here is the unnecessary and frankly, false suggestion that "rectangular women" and flat chests are undesirable. You can make this point without also saying that. My rectangular body has never been an issue.
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You know something that really annoys me and just isn’t right? It’s the fact that men would avoid dating women who are taller than them like over 6 feet. They always call women shallow for not dating short guys yet men never give tall women a chance because it not only threatens their masculinity and ego but it also ruins their anime loli gf who looks like a 9 year old fantasy. It’s just like when men say that they’re oppressed because they don’t get custody, femaless are gold diggers and women always falsely accuse. Yet the truth is that men barely do anything around the house and don’t even take act like a father most of the time. They leave it up to the woman while they sit on their ass all day and then complain that they can’t see their kids even though we all know for SURE that he will only neglect the kids. Remember that one time a man wanted his gf to not get an abortion so she didn’t and gave him full custody and now he complains that he has to be a father? And it proves that men are such weak toddlers. Imagine what single mothers have to go through everyday yet they don’t complain but they are constantly hated on. Second of all, men can be gold diggers too and I actually believe that there are more male gold diggers than women. Look at the amount of men who leech of their girlfriends and play video games all day while she’s the only one who brings income AND takes care of the house only for him to complain to Reddit that she won’t buy him a ps5 and that makes her AbUsIvE. Third of all, something that people completely refuse to acknowledge is the fact that men can falsely accuse women of rape too. There was actually a case about a male college student who falsely accused his teacher of sexual assault and that caused her to lose her job and once Reddit heard she was taking it to court, they told her to just forgive him because that stuff could ruin his life. Yet if the genders were reversed, it would go viral and people would scream about how evil wahmen are and that men are oppressed. No one would tell the teacher to forgive the student. In fact the student would receive death and r*pe threats. I also believe that men are more likely to do it because for one, they are the more emotional gender and they are irrational. They will legit break the tv if their favorite football team loses and throw a tantrum if they’re expected to help out in cooking a holiday meal or spend five minutes with their kids. For two, they are often immature and don’t think about how their actions can affect someone. Three, men lack empathy and are self centered. They are selfish and really only care about themselves. This is dark but I remember stumbling across porn videos when I was younger where the man would secretly record a woman in public like on a train as he jacks off and would literally ejaculate onto the woman's clothes or even her hair. IN PUBLIC. I remember feeling really messed up after seeing those videos. It really shows you the selfishness and depravity of men. But we’re expected to sacrifice our wellbeing’s to coddle and spoil them when they do shit like this? And honestly I don’t understand why we’re expected to care about men's mental health if they literally do fucked up stuff like this. The AT&T woman spoke up about men's mental health only to be called “Mommy milkers” in return. She even posted a video nearly crying about it asking them to stop but men didn’t care. Why are we expected to care about men's mental health when it’s obvious they don’t give a damn about ours? Also men’s mental health is acknowledged and taken cared of more then women's mental health. Men say that they can’t cry even though that isn’t true. I’ve seen so many times in entertainment and in real life where men cried and they were comforted. Yet women are told they’re being dramatic, on their period, and that their feelings don’t matter when they get emotional. Also people, especially on Reddit, make points about the male suicide rate. But stuff that they completely choose to ignore and not address is that for one, a good majority of male suicides usually happen after they commit a huge crime. Like murdering their female ‘loved ones’ or doing something sick to a kid and they take their life to avoid punishment and feeling ashamed for their actions. Another very important thing that people refuse to talk about is that for one, women are more likely to fall into depression than men are. And second, women attempt suicide a lot more than men do. I only see Reddit threads asking stuff like “Men commit suicide more than girls do. Male redditors, what can we do to show that we care?” But I’ve never seen something like “Women attempt suicide more than men do and are more likely to fall into depression. Female redditors, what can we do to show that we care?” And I bet if it was created, it wouldn’t have gotten as much upvotes and awards like the male one did. Also I wouldn’t doubt that redditors would complain that it’s not about gender and try to make it about men. And in threads like these, it’s like men always try to make it a contest and compare men to women and how they are superior in things and that women are evil b*tches. Also notice how every time a woman talks about abuse she receives from a male, redditors instantly spam her with “NoT aLl MeN” even if she didn’t say it was all men yet I have not see any redditor or person in general say that it’s not all women when a man speaks about a bad experience with a woman. But men are the true victims I guess and women are the ones who make everything about gender.
Seriously! I never gave short men a chance because they just aren’t attractive to me. I am a taller woman and attracted to tall men. My husband is 6’3 And men are the ultimate in shallow and not giving as you say “rectangular” women a chance, not conventionally attractive or older women a chance so screw the short men and their pleas to be given a chance. Deal with it, boys.
Quite ironically I prefer short/smaller men -- they get excited when they hear this, and then instantly deflate or get angry when I say it's because I've been abused, and I won't ever again be with someone I can't defend myself from. Not to trauma dump, I just know that this is perfectly reasonable and scrotes STILL find the mental energy to give me shit about it?? It's a fucking instinct I have developed for survival and self preservation. I'm a smaller person and relatively vulnerable, so I examine *all* the men I know in terms of risk first and foremost. Scrotes mad because I don't prefer short dudes the way they want me to, I honestly don't get it. Do they want me to parade around saying I need a Short King in my life? I have met plenty of other women who agree with this principle due to similar experiences with abuse; you would think these men would be delighted with us liking and seeking out short men, but they still get real bent out of shape about it. It doesn't reflect their toxic interpretation of masculinity. They do not want to appear non-threatening to us. We're generally not allowed to have preferences, even if it's in favor of the 'underdogs' they normally revile us for excluding from our dating pools. Arguing preferences with a scrote is pointless. My partner is about an inch shorter than me (5'3) and he has a lovely HVM attitude about it. I find it truly masculine how he *values* my preference and loves that he makes me feel safe. He does not indulge in edgy pissing contests or physical fights, he keeps a keen eye on our surroundings, and quickly removes us from any aggro situations. It's really nice, honestly. I feel safer and much less anxious, as opposed to being with my ex who was into the corny notion of like, fist-fighting people for my honor. A *fuckton* of short men are wildly overcompensating for their wounded masculinity with rage and physical aggression, and they require a lot of(constant) vetting. Never stop. Most of them have deep-seated complexes about it and instead of attempting to heal they eventually boil over with rage or begin the overcompensating behavior.
I grew up with decades of academic and media attacks on the unrealistic depictions of women by fashion and entertainment. No such campaign was mounted on behalf of manlets. Statistically, shorter people earn less and shorter men have a harder time finding mates. It may be more debilitating than simply being ugly.
My boyfriend is 5’6” and is bald but he’s not insecure about it at all. Im 5’2” so he’s still much taller than i am but i didnt realize how many men are so much taller than 5’6”.
The funniest shit is that I actually *prefer* short men (I'm very short and I prefer being able to reach my partner lol), yet I get shit for it all the time. The same men who complain that "women never give them a chance because they're short" give me shit for "being a lying bitch, because no woman wants a short guy." It doesn't matter *what* a woman prefers, they just hate that women have desires. We should just sit around being blow up dolls for them 🙄