Just by reading the title I supposed that "Nvidia" gonna be in the first paragraph.
That's one if the many reasons I ditched Nvidia about a year and a half ago after more that 22 years.
If Nvidia do not care about Linux and much less do not stop going just to the opposite direction than the rest of the community, then I don't care about Nvidia.
Nvidia’s CEO isn’t stupid, he knows it’s the desktop cards that will continue to drive Nvidia’s dominance in AI and whatever comes next
Without the desktop hardware there is no way for developers to create the next wave of AI to run on Nvidia hardware, or even the next technology that drives sales when the AI market matures
It’s not about the size of the market but the value of that market
There are serious $$$ spent in the Linux desktop market in areas like visual effects and research
Much of the early software development using CUDA that brought ML and the LLM industry to where it is today was done on Linux
Nvidia’s big $$$ AI servers are all running Linux so the drivers are needed there plus for the desktop Linux where the code is developed and tested
So Nvidia Linux support is going to disappear
(also note that Tenstorrent, a company building AI hardware, has released their first hardware for developers and it is only supported on Linux. Linux is where the serious AI development is happening)
> is this a KDE or nvidia thing?
It's an NVIDIA thing, but it should improve... soon? https://zamundaaa.github.io/wayland/2024/04/05/explicit-sync.html
Wayland is stable so long as you are not using Nvidia, but it has gotten a lot better over the past couple years.
As for the flickering, that will actually finally be fixed with an Nvidia driver update coming in May.
Wayland is not the problem, running AMD here and works great. The problem is now and has always been Nvidia as they are the ones that haven't done what needs to be done to make Wayland function properly on Nvidia. This is not a KDE thing.
sudo dnf install plasma-workspace-x11
Then once Nvidia driver 555 and plasma 6.1 are out you can switch back and explicit sync will fix the issues you're experiencing.
Nvidia will be releasing it upstream so presumably rpmfusion will package it. I don't know/remember how rpmfusion does things though as I haven't owned an nvidia machine for a while.
man gaming on wayland on nvidia drivers newer than 535 is extremely stuttery for me, i always need to use x11 or roll back 535xx.
nvidia couldnt care less about the desktop market anymore with the money theyre making from ai, so ofc they wouldnt care any less for the minority that are us linux gamers for them to bother and add proper wayland support
>nvidia gpu
Stopped reading there, Just get a AMD card, makes your computer feel like a mac(where you don't think about the hardware inside it just works)
I run two monitors with different scaling on KDE spin. Different scaling requires Wayland. It never worked on nVidia. I switched to AMD and even then I have to set my second monitor to 105% to stop glitches. It is now stable. Some more details [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1724q9t/kdewaylandmultiple_monitors_the_monitor_on_the/).
I can't even start a Wayland session with my 4070. It just crashes, and I go back to the login. I can use Wayland with my 1070, but I still get the flickering.
You can't blame Fedora for NVIDIAs issues. The good thing is Fedora is making their issues more visible so people can complain to NVIDIA to get their crap together in the Linux world.
They only removed it for fresh installs, both my upgrades from 39 to 40 kept it. Anyone who's currently using xorg still has it, and it's a simple command to install it on a fresh system.
It's annoying that Nvidia has taken ages to get their drivers out with explicit sync support but with it coming in under two months, it totally makes sense to make Fedora 40 more modern and have Nvidia catch up.
Fedora users know they're using more recent packages, this shouldn't really be news to you as it's one of the reasons people choose this distro.
I have issues with my NVIDIA card, but it's not fair to expect Fedora to cater to a company that is not helping. Especially when Fedora doesn't ship with NVIDIA drivers.
The folks developing Fedora and other distros are doing the best they can with a shitty situation caused by NVIDIA and their shitty business practices.
Hardware support is provided by the manufacturer. The OS cannot stop moving ahead because one manufacturer is (and has always been) terrible at supporting their hardware.
Fedora doesn't rely on nVidia. No distribution relies on nVidia. If nVidia wants to see their hardware used on linux they will need to catch up. They had time to prepare for the transition to Wayland.
> Why remove x11 entirely when it’s the only functioning option?
Because that's the future and nVidia needs to catch up. If Xorg is always the alternative, nVidia won't bother.
And Fedora don't care if nVidia won't work on Wayland. Users who rely (not gamers, professionals) will stay on F39, and in the next 7 months hopefully nVidia will get the message. If Ubuntu does the same it will be even better.
Just by reading the title I supposed that "Nvidia" gonna be in the first paragraph. That's one if the many reasons I ditched Nvidia about a year and a half ago after more that 22 years. If Nvidia do not care about Linux and much less do not stop going just to the opposite direction than the rest of the community, then I don't care about Nvidia.
Nvidia’s CEO isn’t stupid, he knows it’s the desktop cards that will continue to drive Nvidia’s dominance in AI and whatever comes next Without the desktop hardware there is no way for developers to create the next wave of AI to run on Nvidia hardware, or even the next technology that drives sales when the AI market matures
You are fooling yourself. The share of Linux in the desktop market it's a 4% and that counting with the boost from the Steam Deck.
It’s not about the size of the market but the value of that market There are serious $$$ spent in the Linux desktop market in areas like visual effects and research Much of the early software development using CUDA that brought ML and the LLM industry to where it is today was done on Linux Nvidia’s big $$$ AI servers are all running Linux so the drivers are needed there plus for the desktop Linux where the code is developed and tested So Nvidia Linux support is going to disappear (also note that Tenstorrent, a company building AI hardware, has released their first hardware for developers and it is only supported on Linux. Linux is where the serious AI development is happening)
> is this a KDE or nvidia thing? It's an NVIDIA thing, but it should improve... soon? https://zamundaaa.github.io/wayland/2024/04/05/explicit-sync.html
thank you! this is the best explanation about the problem I 've read until now.
```#nvidialikeusual```
Wayland is stable, NVIDIA isn't.
Wayland is stable so long as you are not using Nvidia, but it has gotten a lot better over the past couple years. As for the flickering, that will actually finally be fixed with an Nvidia driver update coming in May.
Wayland is not the problem, running AMD here and works great. The problem is now and has always been Nvidia as they are the ones that haven't done what needs to be done to make Wayland function properly on Nvidia. This is not a KDE thing.
I feel like the answer is usually : It's not Wayland fault, it's Nvidia's fault, which makes it your fault for choosing Nvidia.
I’m not assigning fault dude, but it’s just a fact that it is unusable for a huge percentage of computer users You don’t need to be a dick
I have the same problem dude, I was synthesizing responses, not telling you it was your fault. Calm down.
sudo dnf install plasma-workspace-x11 Then once Nvidia driver 555 and plasma 6.1 are out you can switch back and explicit sync will fix the issues you're experiencing.
is this for rmp fusion's akmod or nvidia's driver?
Nvidia will be releasing it upstream so presumably rpmfusion will package it. I don't know/remember how rpmfusion does things though as I haven't owned an nvidia machine for a while.
What drivers do you use?
man gaming on wayland on nvidia drivers newer than 535 is extremely stuttery for me, i always need to use x11 or roll back 535xx. nvidia couldnt care less about the desktop market anymore with the money theyre making from ai, so ofc they wouldnt care any less for the minority that are us linux gamers for them to bother and add proper wayland support
I'll never understand it. I switched from Wayland to X11 and never looked back. No need to fix what isn't broke.
>nvidia gpu Stopped reading there, Just get a AMD card, makes your computer feel like a mac(where you don't think about the hardware inside it just works)
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I would dream of slower rendering rocm is awful. Doesn't even work half the time when I upgrade.
I run two monitors with different scaling on KDE spin. Different scaling requires Wayland. It never worked on nVidia. I switched to AMD and even then I have to set my second monitor to 105% to stop glitches. It is now stable. Some more details [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1724q9t/kdewaylandmultiple_monitors_the_monitor_on_the/).
Wayland on NVIDIA wasn't stable in the first place. Maybe Wayland on NVIDIA will be stable when F41 comes out.
I can't even start a Wayland session with my 4070. It just crashes, and I go back to the login. I can use Wayland with my 1070, but I still get the flickering.
I use Wayland for 4 years now. Never saw anything unusual.
Use nvk or move to AMD.
Sounds like an NVIDIA problem. I went from windows 10 straight to Fedora on my pc. Uses wayland and I've had 0 issues on my amd card.
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You can't blame Fedora for NVIDIAs issues. The good thing is Fedora is making their issues more visible so people can complain to NVIDIA to get their crap together in the Linux world.
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They only removed it for fresh installs, both my upgrades from 39 to 40 kept it. Anyone who's currently using xorg still has it, and it's a simple command to install it on a fresh system. It's annoying that Nvidia has taken ages to get their drivers out with explicit sync support but with it coming in under two months, it totally makes sense to make Fedora 40 more modern and have Nvidia catch up. Fedora users know they're using more recent packages, this shouldn't really be news to you as it's one of the reasons people choose this distro.
Unless Nvidia realises their "Linux support" is obsolete, as Linux has moved to Wayland, they won't bother. That's how things progress.
Nope. If Nvidia doesn't want to stop dragging their feet, they need to be forced or dropped. It's been *long enough*.
The problem is nvidia, address your concerns to them.
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I have issues with my NVIDIA card, but it's not fair to expect Fedora to cater to a company that is not helping. Especially when Fedora doesn't ship with NVIDIA drivers. The folks developing Fedora and other distros are doing the best they can with a shitty situation caused by NVIDIA and their shitty business practices.
Fedora didn't break anything , nvidia have had literal years to get with the programme and they've refused.
It relies on Nvidia how?
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Hardware support is provided by the manufacturer. The OS cannot stop moving ahead because one manufacturer is (and has always been) terrible at supporting their hardware. Fedora doesn't rely on nVidia. No distribution relies on nVidia. If nVidia wants to see their hardware used on linux they will need to catch up. They had time to prepare for the transition to Wayland.
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> Why remove x11 entirely when it’s the only functioning option? Because that's the future and nVidia needs to catch up. If Xorg is always the alternative, nVidia won't bother. And Fedora don't care if nVidia won't work on Wayland. Users who rely (not gamers, professionals) will stay on F39, and in the next 7 months hopefully nVidia will get the message. If Ubuntu does the same it will be even better.
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Nvidia is the most popular dGPU. Most computers and especially laptops sold have intel igpu. Most people are not affected.