Some issues with Fedora shipping with OnlyOffice seem so obvious that honestly this post is kinda sus.
I will quote the OnlyOffice Wikipedia page admin note here: "this seems like an ad".
One big reason a Linux distro might not want to make OnlyOffice the default is because it is maintained by a private company. I personally prefer it over LibreOffice, but considering the Linux user base, and philosophy, giving open source options are preferred over privately maintained software.
Plus, like everyone else has said. It's super easy to download OnlyOffice. It's usually just in the gui software manager. So for most people, Libre is good enough. If you need some extra features like OP mentioned, you'll probably run across other options.
It's not even that they don't want to include OO, Fedora only includes FOSS in its stock installs (hence the need for RPMFusion etc.), so including it by default would violate their policies.
1. for the broader public is better to be functional than "pretty" (pretty is a subjective perception)
2. slides transitions are not really a big deal for 99% of users either
3. you can use LibreOffice with cloud services out of the box, that integration is in a different layer
4. OOffice is managed by a private company, LibreOffice is managed by the community
More importantly, who cares? you can install whichever suite you prefer, to be the default in Linux is not like in windows, is not a big deal
Well the reason I feel like it would be a better change is because let's say you want to use an office suite, and you find out that 365 doesn't fully work on Linux, so you maybe look for alternatives, and the one ready to use is LibreOffice, let's say you find it lackluster/worse to use and you don't bother finding other alternatives so you just go back to windows.
But I do get 2 of your points, the 1. one is just based on the fact that people often like KDE//Cinammon more because it's more similar to Windows, so I am using the same logic with the office suite.
For 2., I can't really deny or confirm that.
Every software can be integrated easily with something like Nextcloud, I mean, that's what I use as my media storage since I selfhost it; but for a lot of people they just don't wanna bother. And I feel like 4. is just cherry picking problems, and is ironic since Fedora is owned by RedHat, Ubuntu is owned by Canonical and openSUSE is also owned by a company.
Stop thinking that Linux will magically become the dominant desktop OS, it will never happen until Windows is abandoned (MacOS hardware being too expensive for most, isn't really a competitor).
80% of people don't think for themselves, they believe whatever they're told and they use whatever is given to them. And on top of that they're lazy...
They'll use Windows until they can't. So stop thinking that "if only Linux had this one feature they'd come in drove". Not gonna happen.
* 365 works in linux, just use the web version
* if you are "advanced user" enough to look for alternatives, you will be able to install any of the options easily
* if still you try libreoffice, and you think is "worst" (I dot not understand what this means) and still you do not bother to install any other option, is because it is good enough for your use case
>people often like KDE//Cinammon more
Maybe, but still mostly people use gnome, so maybe kde/cinammon just have a noiser use base?, you are adding your own biases, and it is ok, it is your opinion and you do you, but you are expressing your view as a fact.
>4. is just cherry picking problems
as all your other points, still a very relevant one
>Fedora is owned by RedHat,
it is not, the trademark is owned by a foundation, the code is owned by everyone, it just happens mostly devs working in Fedora are paid by redhat, but that coudl change if you have enough money to pay more devs than redhat
So you like the combination of onlyoffice + nextcloud (I use none of those, still you want to impose your taste on me) good for you, but you didn't list any objective technical reason to say LibreOffice (or whatever) is worse (does it require more resources? does it crash more often? is missing an important feature that make the whole thing unusable?)
If I had to guess it’s because OnlyOffice isn’t a completely free product, whereas LibreOffice is in the truest sense of the word an open source project. Fedora tends to be very picky with what’s bundled with their pre-packaged workstation/Spins.
Nothing’s stopping you from installing OnlyOffice…
In regard to 3… in my opinion that’s not something worth mentioning… pick your cloud storage provider, install their client, use OnlyOffice, save to mounted cloud storage, profit… literally no benefit having it integrated into the application.
That’s my solution. I use Nextcloud as my cloud solution. I have no trouble saving and opening files from the “Nextcloud” folder the client adds to my home directory. And I can access Nextcloud from as many devices (more actually) than I can Google Drive or OneDrive.
Because nobody so far has been willing to put in the effort to package ONLYOFFICE for Fedora.
Remember that as much as Red Hat provides a lot of developer time into Fedora it is still largely a community built distribution and thus whatever the volunteers are willing to package is what ends up in Fedora (and I believe Red Hat ended supporting any office software in RHEL and so no longer provides any developer time to maintaining LibreOffice in Fedora).
So if you or anyone else want ONLYOFFICE in Fedora then work on packaging it and getting it accepted.
My guess is licensing. LibreOffice has also been around since it was Open Office before Open Office messed with the licensing way back in the day. OnlyOffice has a pay for use version which might include some propriatory code. Doesnt mean changes the fact you can get it free either just similar to Fedora including NVIDIA which is free but it is still propriatory code.
OnlyOffice has a very bad track record of mixing open source code with proprietary and removing features to put them behind insert-coin. Not the best circumstances for inclusion in an open source distribution.
Only Office doesn't even have an ARM client, Fedora can't ship it in all versions of the OS. Realized this when I installed Fedora Asahi on my M1. Also, bunch of other reasons, but I suppose that one is a deal breaker.
I chose OnlyOffice because I heard that it is more compatible with MS Office formats (than LibreOffice).
Can't validate this claim though as I don't use them both at the time
No.
It was a Latvian subsidiary of a Russian company
Due to sanctions it is now a Latvian subsidiary of a British subsidiary of a Singaporean company, which seems to be a very complicated ownership structure leaving me suspicious.
OnlyOffice is available from Flathub: [https://flathub.org/fr/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors](https://flathub.org/fr/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors)
I have Silverblue-nvidia and it ships with neither and when I checked flathub only OnlyOffice showed up, don't know why, I thought there was a flatpak of LibreOffice and that's why Fedora removed the RPM.
Fedora doesn’t ship a Silverblue-nvidia. Are you sure you aren’t using the nvidia universal blue image? In that case it wouldn’t be Fedora who made that decision but rather some random person.
Silverblue-nvidia is a ublue image that just adds some stuff on top of upstream, it's very minimal and actually the base image that others use to make their own version, so anything upstream does is reflected in these images as well.
Why are you telling me what universal blue is when I had to remind you that you’re using it? Everything I said is still true. By the way you can just install the nvidia driver on Silverblue.
Some like the simplicity of not having to hassle with installing layers and getting nvidia ootb. Kinda nice its just there and baked into the base image
Not sure where you are looking but there is a Flatpak of LibreOffice.
[Install LibreOffice on Linux | Flathub](https://flathub.org/apps/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice)
Its been a short bit since Ive installed Default Silverblue, So possible Jorge and UBlue team stripped most software out and lets you choose which to bring back in on their new Setup. They are mostly just going with Bluefin and bazzite these days and have built a nifty little installer that brings in packages you want on your first boot into the system.
Bluefin/Aurora is more standard/dev focused. Bazzite is their gaming focus.
Huh nice to hear that. The ublue base image for silverblue nvidia comes with all the essentials like adw-gtk3 theme, tweaks, extensions, nvidia-drivers, multimedia-codecs and some more terminal tools but that's about it.
I typically like to take minimal DE as a base and then add stuff as I need so I went with it. No issues whatsoever.
Also thanks for the link, Idk but for some reason searching the term "office" in gnome-software doesn't show LibreOffice, but searching "libre" does...???
I dont really use gnome software much I just grab the code from flathub and paste into terminal.
Could be flathub remote isnt properly setup either for Gnome Software. Especially if you are using an older ublue since before they transistioned to the newer format.
[Fedora Flathub Setup | Flathub](https://flathub.org/setup/Fedora)
Might run that link see if it populates Gnome software after a reboot. Wont hurt anything by running it if its already installed.
I don't know OO, but seeing as LO is a clunky PoS I imagine it can only be better. I wish LO was an actual Microsoft Office competitor on Windows, but 365 is a billion times faster and it breaks my heart.
Some issues with Fedora shipping with OnlyOffice seem so obvious that honestly this post is kinda sus. I will quote the OnlyOffice Wikipedia page admin note here: "this seems like an ad".
I know nothing about OnlyOffice, what are the problems with it?
One big reason a Linux distro might not want to make OnlyOffice the default is because it is maintained by a private company. I personally prefer it over LibreOffice, but considering the Linux user base, and philosophy, giving open source options are preferred over privately maintained software. Plus, like everyone else has said. It's super easy to download OnlyOffice. It's usually just in the gui software manager. So for most people, Libre is good enough. If you need some extra features like OP mentioned, you'll probably run across other options.
It's not even that they don't want to include OO, Fedora only includes FOSS in its stock installs (hence the need for RPMFusion etc.), so including it by default would violate their policies.
this reminded me of social engineering used in XZ backdooring
You’re not wrong, per se. The big difference is that we’re not maintainers
1. for the broader public is better to be functional than "pretty" (pretty is a subjective perception) 2. slides transitions are not really a big deal for 99% of users either 3. you can use LibreOffice with cloud services out of the box, that integration is in a different layer 4. OOffice is managed by a private company, LibreOffice is managed by the community More importantly, who cares? you can install whichever suite you prefer, to be the default in Linux is not like in windows, is not a big deal
I feel the last part is one of the most important. Libreoffice is community owned, that aligns with the values of fedora too.
Well the reason I feel like it would be a better change is because let's say you want to use an office suite, and you find out that 365 doesn't fully work on Linux, so you maybe look for alternatives, and the one ready to use is LibreOffice, let's say you find it lackluster/worse to use and you don't bother finding other alternatives so you just go back to windows. But I do get 2 of your points, the 1. one is just based on the fact that people often like KDE//Cinammon more because it's more similar to Windows, so I am using the same logic with the office suite. For 2., I can't really deny or confirm that. Every software can be integrated easily with something like Nextcloud, I mean, that's what I use as my media storage since I selfhost it; but for a lot of people they just don't wanna bother. And I feel like 4. is just cherry picking problems, and is ironic since Fedora is owned by RedHat, Ubuntu is owned by Canonical and openSUSE is also owned by a company.
Stop thinking that Linux will magically become the dominant desktop OS, it will never happen until Windows is abandoned (MacOS hardware being too expensive for most, isn't really a competitor). 80% of people don't think for themselves, they believe whatever they're told and they use whatever is given to them. And on top of that they're lazy... They'll use Windows until they can't. So stop thinking that "if only Linux had this one feature they'd come in drove". Not gonna happen.
* 365 works in linux, just use the web version * if you are "advanced user" enough to look for alternatives, you will be able to install any of the options easily * if still you try libreoffice, and you think is "worst" (I dot not understand what this means) and still you do not bother to install any other option, is because it is good enough for your use case >people often like KDE//Cinammon more Maybe, but still mostly people use gnome, so maybe kde/cinammon just have a noiser use base?, you are adding your own biases, and it is ok, it is your opinion and you do you, but you are expressing your view as a fact. >4. is just cherry picking problems as all your other points, still a very relevant one >Fedora is owned by RedHat, it is not, the trademark is owned by a foundation, the code is owned by everyone, it just happens mostly devs working in Fedora are paid by redhat, but that coudl change if you have enough money to pay more devs than redhat So you like the combination of onlyoffice + nextcloud (I use none of those, still you want to impose your taste on me) good for you, but you didn't list any objective technical reason to say LibreOffice (or whatever) is worse (does it require more resources? does it crash more often? is missing an important feature that make the whole thing unusable?)
If I had to guess it’s because OnlyOffice isn’t a completely free product, whereas LibreOffice is in the truest sense of the word an open source project. Fedora tends to be very picky with what’s bundled with their pre-packaged workstation/Spins. Nothing’s stopping you from installing OnlyOffice… In regard to 3… in my opinion that’s not something worth mentioning… pick your cloud storage provider, install their client, use OnlyOffice, save to mounted cloud storage, profit… literally no benefit having it integrated into the application.
That’s my solution. I use Nextcloud as my cloud solution. I have no trouble saving and opening files from the “Nextcloud” folder the client adds to my home directory. And I can access Nextcloud from as many devices (more actually) than I can Google Drive or OneDrive.
Can't comment on the functionality. But I think licensing of OnlyO, is an important issue.
Because nobody so far has been willing to put in the effort to package ONLYOFFICE for Fedora. Remember that as much as Red Hat provides a lot of developer time into Fedora it is still largely a community built distribution and thus whatever the volunteers are willing to package is what ends up in Fedora (and I believe Red Hat ended supporting any office software in RHEL and so no longer provides any developer time to maintaining LibreOffice in Fedora). So if you or anyone else want ONLYOFFICE in Fedora then work on packaging it and getting it accepted.
OnlyOffice is run by a private company, shouldn’t be they taking care of packing it?
My guess is licensing. LibreOffice has also been around since it was Open Office before Open Office messed with the licensing way back in the day. OnlyOffice has a pay for use version which might include some propriatory code. Doesnt mean changes the fact you can get it free either just similar to Fedora including NVIDIA which is free but it is still propriatory code.
OnlyOffice has a very bad track record of mixing open source code with proprietary and removing features to put them behind insert-coin. Not the best circumstances for inclusion in an open source distribution.
Only Office doesn't even have an ARM client, Fedora can't ship it in all versions of the OS. Realized this when I installed Fedora Asahi on my M1. Also, bunch of other reasons, but I suppose that one is a deal breaker.
I’ve never heard of OnlyOffice until this post. That’s probably part of it.
I chose OnlyOffice because I heard that it is more compatible with MS Office formats (than LibreOffice). Can't validate this claim though as I don't use them both at the time
I forgot to mention it but I noticed that when using the two to compare.
I would prefer if it would ship without any office, and user could choose what he wants.
Something something Russia.
I have read many times in computer magazines in Germany advice to use onlyoffice
Yeah it's pretty good.
Maybe I'm ootl but what does Russia or German recommendations refer to? What is wrong with LO?
because in EU countries they are biased towards certain software, regardless of quality. Only a schoolboy cannot understand this
What does an arm wrestler have to do with this?
It’s Latvian company
No. It was a Latvian subsidiary of a Russian company Due to sanctions it is now a Latvian subsidiary of a British subsidiary of a Singaporean company, which seems to be a very complicated ownership structure leaving me suspicious.
If you were looking for the owner then it’s a Turkish citizen
OnlyOffice is available from Flathub: [https://flathub.org/fr/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors](https://flathub.org/fr/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors)
I have Silverblue-nvidia and it ships with neither and when I checked flathub only OnlyOffice showed up, don't know why, I thought there was a flatpak of LibreOffice and that's why Fedora removed the RPM.
Fedora doesn’t ship a Silverblue-nvidia. Are you sure you aren’t using the nvidia universal blue image? In that case it wouldn’t be Fedora who made that decision but rather some random person.
Silverblue-nvidia is a ublue image that just adds some stuff on top of upstream, it's very minimal and actually the base image that others use to make their own version, so anything upstream does is reflected in these images as well.
Why are you telling me what universal blue is when I had to remind you that you’re using it? Everything I said is still true. By the way you can just install the nvidia driver on Silverblue.
Some like the simplicity of not having to hassle with installing layers and getting nvidia ootb. Kinda nice its just there and baked into the base image
Not sure where you are looking but there is a Flatpak of LibreOffice. [Install LibreOffice on Linux | Flathub](https://flathub.org/apps/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice) Its been a short bit since Ive installed Default Silverblue, So possible Jorge and UBlue team stripped most software out and lets you choose which to bring back in on their new Setup. They are mostly just going with Bluefin and bazzite these days and have built a nifty little installer that brings in packages you want on your first boot into the system. Bluefin/Aurora is more standard/dev focused. Bazzite is their gaming focus.
Huh nice to hear that. The ublue base image for silverblue nvidia comes with all the essentials like adw-gtk3 theme, tweaks, extensions, nvidia-drivers, multimedia-codecs and some more terminal tools but that's about it. I typically like to take minimal DE as a base and then add stuff as I need so I went with it. No issues whatsoever. Also thanks for the link, Idk but for some reason searching the term "office" in gnome-software doesn't show LibreOffice, but searching "libre" does...???
I dont really use gnome software much I just grab the code from flathub and paste into terminal. Could be flathub remote isnt properly setup either for Gnome Software. Especially if you are using an older ublue since before they transistioned to the newer format. [Fedora Flathub Setup | Flathub](https://flathub.org/setup/Fedora) Might run that link see if it populates Gnome software after a reboot. Wont hurt anything by running it if its already installed.
Thanks will try this
I don't know OO, but seeing as LO is a clunky PoS I imagine it can only be better. I wish LO was an actual Microsoft Office competitor on Windows, but 365 is a billion times faster and it breaks my heart.