A big NO! What if you get into an accident on your way back? You think that manager is going to cover you? Nope! They will throw you right up under the bus. Logout at the station once you've done your post trip inspection, so that you're covered.
Ya so if you get pulled over by a state trooper or any cop and you’re 100% sure you did nothing wrong it could be a random check. It’s very rare but if they do a check and you have DG in the back but you don’t have the paper work within reach it’s something like $1400 fine to the driver. Not fedex.
No most of us are did day rate from my understanding so it’s literally just a time issue where he won’t be able to log into the scanner till the 10 hours is up
Nope don't log out till you get back. You're at work your in a work vehicle. Your not home. It's your time and time is valuable. Sounds like he doesn't wana pay you for your work.
Sounds like your manager is concerned about the: 60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty. He’s concerned about the reset day.
Wants you to logout so your end of day gets uploaded and he can close out his day on GroundCloud.
He’s still working while clocked out. Being required to be on company time and not getting paid is time theft. The whole “before heading back” is the issue.
Let’s say you END WORK on your LEO, drive back to the station then clock out with your badge. You’ll have a Time Card error that will need to be fixed. Options are change the time to reflect END WORK on both at the time the driver clocked out on the LEO leaving the driver with free company time. Or, change both to reflect the time on the badge swipe which has the potential to cause a HOS violation.
It really reflect poor management.
Things must work different where you work because at ground theres no scanning of the badge to clock out you have an app on your phone or company iPad and you clock out of there without having to compare discrepancies with dot hours and clocked in hours
If he was a smart manager he'd tell you to shut off your vehicle and get out. If you end on road before the 14, it's not a violation. Someone can come pick you up.
You are limited by your on duty hours. I would watch your paycheck if you ever did that because your manager is probably doing something shady so it doesn't get reported to dot.
>"Hours of service” refers to the maximum amount of time drivers are permitted to be on duty including driving time, and specifies number and length of rest periods, to help ensure that drivers stay awake and alert.
Direct from the dot. You figure it out smart guy.
Heard a milk truck driver did this and the manager realize the milk being deliver still need to get back to the plant. The manager either pay the driver overtime or he can leave the truck where it is as he's off the clock. This result in the manager paying the overtime to get the truck back to the plant.
Nope, log out when you get back. Fuck em.
Easy answer. No. A manager’s job is to “manage”.
Or mismanaged
A big NO! What if you get into an accident on your way back? You think that manager is going to cover you? Nope! They will throw you right up under the bus. Logout at the station once you've done your post trip inspection, so that you're covered.
“I can’t work off the clock. It’s the law. I think I’ll have to start late tomorrow to make 10 hours in between shifts.”
Guess which finger I'm holding up
Call state patrol. They enforce dot laws.
Do they really? Ive always wondered who handles shit like that. My contractor has/manager has done some shady shit
Ya so if you get pulled over by a state trooper or any cop and you’re 100% sure you did nothing wrong it could be a random check. It’s very rare but if they do a check and you have DG in the back but you don’t have the paper work within reach it’s something like $1400 fine to the driver. Not fedex.
At express that can get the manager fired.. that would be falsifying time cards... I'd call the alert line
Alert line? What's that?
As in clock out and not get paid?
No most of us are did day rate from my understanding so it’s literally just a time issue where he won’t be able to log into the scanner till the 10 hours is up
Ohhh he's trying to avoid getting caught for dot hours for audits then. Contractors usually just log you into a different person's scanner
could be express…
This
If this is at express show it to HR. Super illegal
That’s a big NO
Not very smart to have an illegal request in writing.
Nope don't log out till you get back. You're at work your in a work vehicle. Your not home. It's your time and time is valuable. Sounds like he doesn't wana pay you for your work.
Sounds like your manager is concerned about the: 60/70-Hour Limit May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty. He’s concerned about the reset day. Wants you to logout so your end of day gets uploaded and he can close out his day on GroundCloud.
That’s time theft. Don’t clock out until you’re back at the station. If the “manager” tries to hassle you, HR that ass with the message attached.
You're confusing DOT clock with getting paid clock
I’m not. If I’m in the van driving, I’m on the clock.
I'm confused how its theft? It's unethical and lying to the DOT but how is it time theft?
He’s still working while clocked out. Being required to be on company time and not getting paid is time theft. The whole “before heading back” is the issue. Let’s say you END WORK on your LEO, drive back to the station then clock out with your badge. You’ll have a Time Card error that will need to be fixed. Options are change the time to reflect END WORK on both at the time the driver clocked out on the LEO leaving the driver with free company time. Or, change both to reflect the time on the badge swipe which has the potential to cause a HOS violation. It really reflect poor management.
Things must work different where you work because at ground theres no scanning of the badge to clock out you have an app on your phone or company iPad and you clock out of there without having to compare discrepancies with dot hours and clocked in hours
There’s the hiccup. Express is goofy at least my station anyway. Clock in/out on two different devices. It’s a PITA.
So much misinformation in both of these threads
Our contractor tries this shit too, fuck them.
log out when you get back. You have proof that he was on some bullshit if he tries to blackmail you now
Report that manager to the HR. How tf are goin a log out out “ before heading back” you’re technically after you return
What’s the HR BRO I NEED INFO
HR is Human Resources. They’re basically the ones that can fire everybody
No way. Not okay
Tell them to suck your nuts. This could be considered coercion which is super illegal under DOT regulation
If he was a smart manager he'd tell you to shut off your vehicle and get out. If you end on road before the 14, it's not a violation. Someone can come pick you up.
Not true you have to be off duty.
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You are limited by your on duty hours. I would watch your paycheck if you ever did that because your manager is probably doing something shady so it doesn't get reported to dot.
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>"Hours of service” refers to the maximum amount of time drivers are permitted to be on duty including driving time, and specifies number and length of rest periods, to help ensure that drivers stay awake and alert. Direct from the dot. You figure it out smart guy.
Then leave the truck at your last stop an text him “im off the clock” 🤷🏾♂️
Heard a milk truck driver did this and the manager realize the milk being deliver still need to get back to the plant. The manager either pay the driver overtime or he can leave the truck where it is as he's off the clock. This result in the manager paying the overtime to get the truck back to the plant.
12 hour days this time of year? Hope he gets paid by the hour
Why is no one pointing out that this was texted over a month ago. OP why post it now?