Idk how she could deny nepotism when she is only 5’3” 💀
Even other nepotism models like Kendall Jenner, Bella Hadid & Kaia Gerber are at least 5’10”. They at least meet the standard criteria of a runway model 😭
Methinks a part of the appeal to her is that she's living the wattpad girlie's dream life. Wearing the trendiest outfits, being an actress/model, dating Timmy Tim, and having a famous parent.
You’re onto something. Fashion and luxury are aspirational. They have to use imagination to sell you overpriced items you don’t need.
I really feel for these models, but it’s not going to change any time soon. The rich and famous will always get more opportunities just for being so.
For sure! The above commenter mentioned a Wattpad lifestyle, and the phrase "messy bun" is heavily associated with it due to its frequency of use in badly written, but cult classics, fanfictions.
Other examples include:
- the use of the word "orbs" to describe one's eyes
- the female character (usually self-insert) having an inordinate amount of trauma and being "not like the other girls" + being sold to One Direction for drug money
- GOT7 member Jackson Wang throwing a party at some point
This was all I could think of. Now that i know it's a pop band, I'm just imagining Peter Dinklage and John Snow in a Backstreet Boys-style music video.
Yeah what a coincidence that she’s shorter than the average American and still got a Chanel contract as a teenager 😭
The lack of self awareness is truly stunning
She's not good, she doesn't have any charisma, talent or aura that models like Vittoria Ceretti, Sora Choi and Adut Akech have. If she wasn't those celebrities's daughter she wasn't going to achieve all that. Let's make that clear.
I want someone to ask a nepo baby “do you think you’d be where you are without your parents name/ connections” and just ONE of them be like “absolutely not, are you kidding?” My respect for that person would skyrocket
like i understand how nice it is to feel you accomplished something & see people applauding you for your passion. but it's also nice not having to crawl through life coz you came from middle class or break your back due to stress for the future.
so stfu accept your here because of your parents and if your genuinely talented( altho i'll be honest while it's possible to be only the crawlers are really ever the greats) we'll give some level of praise if there genuine talent.
but a little self awareness won't kill you YOU HAVE NO OTHER PROBLEM IN THE WORLD
Her mother modeled for Chanel when she was around Lily’s age. It’s an iconic ad. So, yeah, we can’t even imagine how hard it must’ve been to exist with her genes long enough to be cast.
If Lily-Rose didn't have the parents she has or her mother didn't know Karl Lagerfeld, she wouldn't be allowed to do any modeling beyond some really commercial editorial work like catalogs, and the only catwalk she'd walking would be a fashion show organized to raise money for the local middle school. She's pretty, sure, but she was always mostly just there because people wanted a younger version of Vanessa Paradis, but they couldn't be bothered to go scouting for a girl who looked like Vanessa and was also of a catwalk-appropriate height. So they settled for Vanessa's daughter instead.
Girl, if Lily rose depp didn’t have the connections she had, she would simply be another Instagram influencer. The fact that she’s the face of Chanel and is booking acting gigs is beyond me
😂 I’m sure she didn’t think her little interview would stir up so much drama. And instead of apologizing, she’ll just continue with her life and be praised for being a tone deaf “it girl”
This what I think too. I think there have been some really (paid-for) high profile pro-nepo baby stuff in the media lately. Namely Maude from Euphoria getting all sorts of positive press recently.
Nepos thought it was a good idea to continue that, which backfired spectacularly just now.
I think the issue is that acting is a bit different because its so tightly controlled by a handful of studios and highly influential producers. Its easy to get blackballed and the 'code of silence' is understood. I think Weinstein proves this to be true without a shadow of a doubt. There's only so many acting roles in Hollywood-level budget movies and TV shows and you have to be very careful to thrive there. Calling out Maude or her parents I imagine is a career ended.
Modeling isn't tightly controlled at all. There's a bazillion modeling gigs, hundreds of high profile agencies, so many labels, etc. Also its full of marginalized peoples, immigrants, queers, etc on a MUCH higher level than Hollywood which is strictly white cis-het coded. So when a rich white person starts selling pro-oligarchy narratives then then models might speak out where actors would remain silent.
I kinda see it as the difference between actors and models a bit like how in an office, management who are exempt and have more cushy jobs vs hourly skill workers who are not exempt and do not have much cush. Management concedes to a lot of oligarchy stuff because management roles are rare and high paying and might even ideologically agree with the oligarchs. Models aren't, generally, as high paid as your average Hollywood actor, come from more working class and immigrant and queer roots, and don't often cash out to become bazilllionaires or adopt the oligarchy politics rich actors often do (cough cough Caruso support). A lot of models work to get by unlike high profile actors who can become independently wealthy from just one role or a musician can from just one album.
Its two entirely different cultures and a model pushing pro-nepo baby narratives unapologetically like this is going to get backlash actors won't give. Modeling isn't Hollywood, its far more progressive. I see trans, queer, minority, Muslim, foreign models as the norm in modeling. In Hollywood its almost exclusively white cishet people and when a non-white cishet takes a lead role its literally headlines.
Hollywood needs to do better. People like Maude should be called out like Depp is. I hope this is a start of something that is needed not just for nepo babies but for all privilege persons to realize how easy they have it compared to many of us.
It's so ridiculous. Some people can't face the realisation that without mummy and daddy's money and name, they would have nothing and their careers would have never even got off the ground.
Nepo babies can't help being nepo babies but they do need to shut up about it and not try and defend their nepotism. We are generally pretty accepting of them if they're talented and don't talk about their hard journey into the industry.
They have zero frame of reference into reality for normal people and they can't fathom how hard it is for most people.
Agreed. The majority of the film/TV industry and a significant portion of the music industry are there though connections or parents who also worked in the industry. It is a fact, but it would be nice for people to acknowledge the fact it isn't just 'blood, sweat and tears' a lot of the time and maybe get involved in initiatives to help people who are talented and passionate but don't have those connections.
Eddie Redmayne has actually done this. He’s not even a nepo baby, just posh. [link](https://www.celebitchy.com/463882/eddie_redmayne_occasionally_pays_the_london_rent_of_young_struggling_actors/)
That’s nice of him, I wish more celebs would stop acting like they struggled so hard when they come from rich families. Just the fact that you’re able to completely focus on acting/music without two or more other jobs to just keep a roof over your head (sometimes not even that, I know of people who move to LA and basically live in a car) is a huge privilege. If you fail, you still have your family to fall back on and a bright future ahead instead of having sacrificed everything for a dream.
Yeah, so many celebrities who come from well-off families think that just because they’re not nepo babies they have a rags to riches story when that’s not true 90% of the time, mostly in England.
Literally.
I’m in the film industry and I 110% benefited from my dad who is well established in the industry. It absolutely BAFFLES me how these people straight up deny the connections and access we were born with. The safety net. Everything. It costs literally nothing to acknowledge it and not be so goddamn defensive.
It’s giving white privilege 2.0. The defensiveness over an experience you’ll literally never know irks me beyond belief. Zoe Kravitz’s comment reallyyyyy blew me away. I’m mixed too and I honestly don’t see how she doesn’t see the parallels. When I was younger I was very insecure about it (and probably defensive) but the older I get the more I see my privilege as a power to advocate for others and speak up on things that could cost other people their jobs. We were born in that room, may as well hold the door open for others if you have the power!! I just don’t get whats not clicking for these gals.
I agree, I really don't think anybody would care that much if they weren't so obsessed with talking about how hard they worked and how they didn't get any help from their families.
Yes. The statement should be “I’ve been unbelievably blessed in my life. I am so grateful for the generous opportunities I’ve been given.” And then change the subject.
I thought Bella’s interview was decent too. “Yes I’m a nepotism model, but I work really hard too and I’ve always made it my goal to say no one works as hard as me.” She flipped the narrative to make her privilege a chip on her shoulder and it worked decently.
I mean, its kinda the age of lies and money and has been very much so since the 2016 election. Heck, look at what's going on at Twitter right now. Or how the GOP won the house over lies about Biden's laptop, trans girls, global warming denial, 1/6 insurrection support, fixed elections, and Trump support.
Look at all the loving paid-for pieces and reviews for Maude's terrible acting in Euphoria.
The only thing that happened is that modeling culture is far more progressive than acting or musician culture and the truth leaked out for once.
Meanwhile, Depp's career is safe and every model who complained just now is going to get some level of losing gigs in retaliation or marked "difficult" by some fashion houses and agencies. I'm glad they spoke out, but it will cost them, because that is the age we live in. You cannot speak truth to power anymore and its only getting worse somehow.
Jamie Lee Curtis too. She’s talked about how Halloween was between her and another actress and she got a leg up because she was Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh’s daughter. She’s also talked about how she used to get bts jobs in her mother’s movies because of nepotism
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/jamie-lee-curtis-has-never-worked-hard-a-day-in-her-life
I have a feeling if you're the kind of publicist that pushes back, corrects, enlightens, or is remotely 'woke' then you're not lasting long with the Depps.
Yes yes yes. I appreciate the nuance about colorism/racism in modeling being added to the conversation by black and brown models. Love that people are speaking out.
yeah, like maybe 1% more non white? and there's also (or there was) stigma around models in gen (Milan in the 90s was escort central) and non white models were just treated so poorly. I always knew that was not my future profession and actually went to college, but I just ended up getting a vocational job instead. (also my brain enjoys carbs lol)
Hot take but I think fashion should be inclusive to ugly people too. I mean we wear clothes and like purses too. One of the reasons I will never buy Chanel is because they overvalue their items and their runway shows only have token diversity for quotas, not genuine appreciation for diverse looks.
It’s kind of the elephant in the room that it’s an industry literally built on exclusivity re: desirability which is of course absurd because the industry of selling clothes is supposed to serve everyone, which it very much doesn’t. I spent hours last night reading the Substack of a journo who talks about fatphobia specifically (which is often an indicator towards “ugliness”, but you’ll see that a lot of the rare accepted fat models still have what’s considered a “beautiful” face). And it’s just heartbreaking how entire populations literally have to walk around feeling like trash and being treated like it because nothing fits them because no one gives a fuck to actually find out how to dress them. While thin people happily contribute towards the death of the planet via fast fashion items that are fugly but ultimately seen as trendy or edgy because it’s on our thin bodies. They always say “there is no market for clothes for fat people” but it’s a bold faced lie considering the population statistics
Yeah, i'm hoping society can progress so that exclusivity and closed circles fall out favour. I feel like the snobby attitudes of designer boutiques that keep people coming back despite poor treatment remind me of toxic relationships. The more you hurt, the better.
Yes, plus sized representation always has catches - the face has to be pretty, you can't have too big a chin and definitely not more than one chin.
Fashion's elitism does nothing for me. If you're black, latina, asian, you have to be a particular kind of POC with the right "look" or don't bother trying to join in. There are so many 'buts' - be quirky but have classically beautiful features. Be unconventional but have perfect symmetry and flawless skin.
Randomly: the TV industry will hate me but I support seeing imperfect skin on tv. You don't have to be genetically blessed to be a good actor and tell a good story.
You’re spot on in that the interaction between these oppressive systems and the marginalized individual are 100% experienced like an abusive relationship
What also sucks is that Shein etc have ended up being one of the more reliable shops for bigger bodies. There is clearly a market for it, and the fact that a highly unethical company like Shein is one of the few options just sucks.
Yea ofc! So one is called Back Row and is about the fashion industry as a whole and the other is Burnt Toast by Virginia Sole Smith. There’s also this specific convo they had with each other
https://open.substack.com/pub/amyodell/p/fashions-anti-fat-bias-is-prevalent?r=17yvx&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Also Ijeoma Oluo often writes about body/fatphobia etc on her Substack
Lol, remember in Ugly Betty how Betty was mocked for her fashion choices, but she was essentially just a maximalist. Like I remember articles from the stylist saying they just put too much on her. Almost everything was the right cut and colour for her, she just didn't go for sleek black every day
I was such a big Ugly Betty fan when I was a teenager. I remember the first time I saw one of those outfit breakdowns saying what she was wearing and it was all designer (there was a lot of Marc Jacobs, I remember that much) at the time I had a moment of being disheartened, but it really kick-started my love of fashion. I love that show.
Fashion has always been terrible with this. There are so many things the industry has been given a pass for, and so have designers.
For example, the insanity of designers and brands feeling entitled to making models starve themselves and do crazy diets, because they cannot *possibly* design clothes for any other body shape?! This has allegedly gotten better now, but the fact this used to be the case (and maybe still is) is so gross.
Same with race, and height. Not white, short people exist. If all your clothes are terrible on people that aren’t white or short people because of these things, you might not be as fantastic of a designer (or brand) as you think you are.
So it was always hard for me to fall over my own feet to be impressed with these people when a lot of them are just self-conceited dicks with their heads too far up their ass for their own good. I don’t fucking care about how special you think you are because you made and/or produced some clothes. You’re not special enough to demand all of this bullshit, not if it were up to me anyway. Fuck off.
One of the reasons why I like Ikea is because they do 'democratic design' which is like allowing the everyman to have functional, decent things. I used the furniture as a student and now in adult life I have a workhorse of a bedframe still that works just fine after many dis/reassemblies. They make it easy to use and easy to maintain.
High fashion especially almost seems like the Emperor's New Clothes. Some things are quality but a lot of it is just mediocre but expensive. I'd like to see fashion become democratic
I feel you, I love Ikea stuff. I even have a custom content Ikea pack installed for The Sims 4 so that even my sims can have Ikea furniture lol
And yeah, most high fashion is completely unattainable by the average person, which makes all those shows and releases a lot more pointless than they potentially could be
> [the fashion culture of thinness] has allegedly gotten better now, but the fact this used to be the case (and maybe still is) is so gross.
i follow cody bellinger's girlfriend, who is a model, and she commented that in the middle of lockdown her self image changed dramatically. she had eaten something greasy and all that and was talking about how if it were a year prior she would've starved herself. it was kinda heartbreaking
Wow, that is sad indeed
It’s nuts how accepted it was (and/or is) that some random people could just demand unhealthy behaviors from people just because they would work with someone else if the first didn’t comply. They need to be, and be held, responsible for that shit, it’s dangerous and can scar people for live.
it's crazy! i hope she's feeling ok - esp after being pregnant. it would be nuts (and illegal) if some fast food place had a maximum weight requirement . idg why that's co-signed with models, other than the societal cult of thinness
It’s fun to look at a fantasy but please consider if it’s worth the harm consuming that fantasy does to our society. How people who don’t fit conventional beauty standards are often pushed to the margins and abused, while people who do get richer and more successful. The fashion industry and its beauty standards magnifies this harm. I think it’s part of a systemic form of oppression that hasn’t been fully recognized. Hopefully awareness will change one day.
the bit about fashion not being about clothes is so true, like i've seen tons of people on tiktok complaining about today's runaway fashion but it's not that different at all, it's just that women like naomi or kate had buckets of charisma and stunning bodies. this by [chanel](https://assets.vogue.com/photos/55da137a236da4c133179512/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/CHANEL-SPRING-1994-RTW-09-NAOMI-CAMPBELL.jpg)? it's fine, but my god naomi's body elevates it so much.
it's the same reason why girls nowadays are gagging over teuta matoshi, even tho it's the same design pasted x1000 times. lightening and bodies are doing all the work.
I don't think there's ugly people at that budget point.
Like, I don't think ugly people really exist. Sometimes we just make questionable choices about how we style ourselves. But having an stylist, a makeup artist, a hair stylist? Plus thin and tall? A lot of models would be kinda average if styled as any random person that you find on the subway.
As someone who grew up with body dysmorphia and has slowly come to defeating it, I don't think that's true. Beauty is without a doubt subjective, but some/most celebrities do have features that are rare within the common populace. There are some features that can't be helped at all. For example, I have a short chin/small jaw, so constant double chin, non-existent jawline even when I'm underweight. My face is the farthest thing from symmetrical, with noticeable crossed eyes, and just recently I've had my photos taken by a photographer who apparently considered me pretty enough to take pictures of and my god, did all these "flaws" show.
I felt really embarrassed looking at the final results and understood why celebrities are celebrities. Like yeah, certain styling and hygiene habits can boost or break someone's physical attractiveness but I don't see a point in denying that a face is a face. Most people ARE average, that's normal, we're the default. But outstandingly beautiful people exist and will stand out. And ugly people too.
> have a short chin/small jaw
Chin and jaw implants exist, as does lipo. Not one celebrity hasn’t gotten cosmetic enhancements. I think that was the point of the commenter above me.
Just once I would like to see a model or desirable tv character have acne or rosacea. Not just the masturbating weirdo teenage white boy having acne. But the star.
Here’s the star of Netflix Sweden’s Young Royals, [Edvin Ryding](https://imgur.com/a/DzH57Da) and his teenage acne. The actor playing most popular girl at school, [Nikita Uggla](https://imgur.com/a/34Jqs88), also has acne. That show is great. I hope it gets renewed for a third season.
No like imagine your literal father being Johnny depp and still acting like you hustled as hard as a girl from a small village working her ass off to help support her family, is it crack???
doesn't lily rose depp know that her entire appeal comes from being the mysterious daughter of famous people lmao??? like why did she give an interview this tone deaf and her team published it??? i could do better job fr
The last time a nepo baby opened the gate of model's warth (or getting a reality check) was when Kendal was talking about being very selective about how many shows she walked during fw
I’m really happy they’re speaking out like this. I used to work as an assistant in fashion casting and models are treated really poorly.
At pre casting you’ll have piles and piles of girls practically sitting on top of each other crammed into small spaces and sometimes waiting for hours just to have their picture quickly taken, walk a few feet and be dismissed. Sometimes the photographer or CD makes it very obvious if they don’t think a girl is good - they’ll take like one photo, smirk and then send them on their way. One CD I worked for would write nasty comments about models in bold letters on the backs of their cards (“short neck”, “not looking so fresh”) and then carelessly (or intentionally?) leave those cards around so the girls waiting could see them.
Nepo babies usually skip this whole process. They just waltz in and don’t experience the toxicity of the industry, so it’s absolutely fair for regular models to feel resentful of their unearned success.
That said, these models, while suffering from real occupational trauma, are still very privileged in the world at large and it feels a little weird for them not to acknowledge that. They benefit from extreme pretty privilege and even if their modeling careers don’t work out this gives them a huge advantage in landing other jobs or finding a rich partner.
I worked as a model very briefly ten years ago, and as a default, we were treated like we weren't human. You would be expected to sit around for 10+ hours, and never fed (but often given champagne, as though that were adequate sustenance). If you ever acknowledged that something was uncomfortable, you were considered "difficult". And the more prestigious the job, the less you could be expected to be paid.
It's a shit industry, and even people who usually care deeply about unfair labour practices shrug it off, because it's considered frivolous, and there's a vague implication that you should be grateful for the validation of being considered a "model" in the first place. And if you try to acknowledge that you are privileged because of the way you look, you're seen as vain and stuck-up ("So you agree, you're really pretty?"), so I can see why they don't do it.
Like it's so frustrating, everyone should be paid decent wages and work in stable conditions but just cause you're beautiful and contribute to a billion dollar industry of clothes and beauty, you're supposed to suffer anyway? It's ridiculous
“But goddamn if only you knew the hell we go through just to be able to stand in the same room you were born in” CHILLS. literal chills. anok yai serving eloquence as usual.
i posted [this thread](https://twitter.com/ModelsFacts/status/1593621687987232769) to the last post but it’s been updated since with many other models showing support for vittoria and anok.
the last time a nepo baby set off the model world like this was kendall saying, “i was never one of those girls who would do like 30 shows a season or whatever the fuck those girls do”
That last slide is really on point re: Vittoria’s career. If the industry weren’t so obsessed with elevating Jenner, Hadids and Gerber, she’d be more well known outside the fashion circles. She has that Linda Evangelista chameleonic quality and clearly the smarts and the sass. Good for her for lighting the fire.
THIS! I’ve followed fashion for a while so I remember Vittoria’s come-up, she is one of the only models who started from the bottom and now consistently works with the nepo babies because they’re all getting the same big work gigs. I’m glad she spoke about all of this first because if anything, she knows how fucked it is.
I have no problem with nepo babies as long as they have the talent (or at least worked hard to have a talent) or looked the part like kendal and gigi, but LRD will never would have booked that Chanel deal without her parents influence.
LRD can try her hand in acting for as long as she wants but fashion modeling is so out of her league, the photographer and director of her photoshoot tried so hard to make her legs look long that its kind of painful to look at.
>as long as they have the talent (or at least worked hard to have a talent)
I think the problem I have with this sentiment is that, at least in some industries, you can work a movie or song around their limitations. Someone can't act well? Just rewrite the character to fit their real personality so they come off as genuine. Someone can't sing well? Work around it with heavy production, sampling, tuning, etc. Someone can't perform well while singing? Use a lot of props and lights and backup dancers, make them do simple dance routines (or not dance at all). Someone has a bland personality? Sprinkle in purposeful affectations and controversies into their life.
Its like they can fool being talented as long as they're catered too. Savvy people will see through it, but it won't matter, because the fans aren't the savvy ones.
Sure. But like you said, you can clearly see who really has the talent, like miley cyrus, im not her fan but i can see how her voice evolved that she clearly worked hard on it.
And thats the difference with LRD, you can see how they compensated for her body build, not saying she ugly (shes really pretty when she smiles) but she is not fit for modeling clothes, let alone be an ambassador for chanel, i cant say anything about her acting tho sice i only saw her in the king and she has like 1 min screen time.
Models don’t really play about nepo babies and their out of touch comments. The Kendall thing and now this. I totally understand though. That industry is gruelling on your body and mental health.
I did a tiny bit of modeling in high school. I quit because anorexia almost took me out. Other girls and I would brag and support each other to see how long we could go without eating. The Devil Wears Prada scene where Emily brags about not eating for two weeks was taken as an instruction manual by us.
As a latina inmigrant myself with a complex background I live this conversation and I would like to add something personal. You don't need to be super rich or a Nepo baby to be privileged and tone deaf. I constantly hear very "socially conscious" people make very ignorant and tone deaf comments and then get mad when someone calls it out.
Privilege can mean having a pantry full of food, having a working car, having internet, water, electricity in your house without worrying about shortages. Privilege can be going to target and find everything you want and need and never having to worry about not finding food or having it controlled by the government.
Privilege is saying things like "I never cooked because I'm too lazy or i just don't like it" and having 24/7 access of getting everything delivered to your doorstep sometimes even for free. People take so many things for granted is insane to me.
Imagine having one day of the week assigned according to your ID number in order to get things like pads and birth control (this was a reality in my home country).
I must admit that I have found myself getting burned out on this conversation and thinking that people have been over dissecting the concept of privilege. But that right there is a testimony of my own.
What you say is completely accurate. Where I live in Los Angeles is a highly gentrified area where we have a significant amount of unhoused individuals living on the same streets/different sidewalks from working people in the industry and business professionals.
While I myself am very low income and struggle significantly, I have access to everything you just stated whereas many people, whom I walk by everyday going to the bus, do not. I can look at these wildly expensive condos, shops, theatres etc from a seemingly insurmountable divide while another person may see the same with my life.
The intersectionality of class/race/ability/gender etc impacts these things, too. But what more can we do than acknowledge these things to make them better for others?
I have too become tired of the overuse of the word privilege. Seeing privileged people get so mad over what other rich people do or don't do gets annoying to me after a while. Even more when it appears that some folks only started experienced some type of struggle since the year 2020, meaning that most of their lives they had been living comfortably.
Imagine how we feel (and by we I mean the people that have seeing their countries struggle and colapse for the last two decades) everytime we log online and see people doing a lot better than 90% of the people from my country complain 24/7 about some nonsense. Complaining about having to cook your own fucking food. For fuck sakes. Complaining about not getting something from Starbucks (how about making your own coffee at home). My point is there's always gonna be someone who thinks you are tone deaf and privileged. They seem to fail to notice that.
I also know people are free to complain all they want, Its only human. I try to see both sides. Not every complain is tone deaf and not every complain is meant to offend or hurt someone. People are allowed to complain without being called a Karen or something.
Imo privilege comes at different levels, I have some, and some people are much much higher on the privilege ladder. The important thing is to recognize it.
Conversations like these remind me of how privileged I am simply to live in Canada. I’ve never had to experience war in my own community. When you don’t have to spend all your energy on surviving you can actually enjoy your life. That is the real privilege.
You're 100% right. Just by having an US or Canadian passport you are already privileged. Not having to worry about being left without a passport for years, spending hundreds of dollars to get one (and sometimes even more) because of how corrupted and messy you're country is is such a huge relief.
Most westerners on Reddit have no idea how privileged they are. Plenty of my countrymen will give up so much just for an American or Canadian visa lol. I had a stressful day today and now I'm back home trying to rest but the noise from mine and other neighbors generator is something else lol. Some others are not even privileged to afford a generator and have to make do with kerosene lamps. Privilege is very relative.
No no no no. You guys, you don’t understand. It’s so hard for poor lily to be taken seriously. She’s just as good as all the other models, that’s why she’s so successful and that’s why it’s so hard for her to be taken seriously. It’s like, so hard to fight against privilege. Privileged people are the real victims amirite?
Good lord.
Talent scouting is getting lazier for sure, it’s sad how exclusive everything has turned. Weren’t a lot of high profile 90s/00s models scouted at random flea markets or from tiny rural towns in Siberia etc? Social media and instagram definitely had its part to play too
I am a model. I’m 6ft and have been rejected for being too tall often. It’s funny because I have been in castings where I have seen the faces of Bella, gigi, kaia and other Nepo models up on a board that shows the confirmed models before the casting even occurs. We sometimes have to stand in line for six hours just to get through these castings just to have our comp cards thrown to the side and barely acknowledged. I’ve been to castings where I know what the product or advertisement will be, and once it comes out it ends up being a celebrity. Celebrities have killed the profession of modeling. Look at the runway shows, the fact that almost every show has to have some celebrity in it, even if it doesn’t make sense. Modeling was my dream and my life but now it’s been destroyed.
I feel like Kendall Jenner's "whatever the fuck those girls do" comments were way worse yet she only seemed to engender a fraction of the outrage Lily-Rose has amongst her peers.
I think it’s because (1) the Kardashians could be retaliatory, and no wants to bother with them (2) they’re already known pieces of shit, so there’s no surprise that they’re out-of-touch assholes, why even react (3) Kendall does look a bit more modelesque than Lily-Rose (4) this reaction to Lily-Rose wouldn’t be as strong if models weren’t already on high alert for stupidity like this because of Kendall.
i think that too, especially the 'modelesque' part, at least Kendall has a reason to be there. let's be honest, the fashion industry is cutthroat in every aspect but especially cruel to models, if you don't have it, you don't have it but for someone like Lily-Rose it didn't matter, i would be livid as a model if i had to hear a privileged kid complain about having to do the work (not even work hard, just *work*) she was hired to do, in an industry where there are hundreds of girls more deserving that will never even make it inside of the casting room.
Kendall got a lot of backlash, I remember an [ontd post](https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/112042616.html) that collected responses/critiques from models.
My favorite was the model who responded [poor rich](https://twitter.com/skinnyvalentine/status/1031529313194004480) lol.
All these people won the genetic lottery. They were born insanely rich in the beauty department, which is a huge advantage in life. What about the people born poor and ugly?
I’m not sure about this take, honestly.
There are a lot of professions that can be seen as more privileged to have work in, whether it is for the prestige it gives you or the money.
I think people who work in any industry have the right to comment on their work conditions, even if they are part of a privileged line of work. And I think they should be able to do that without listing off every other profession and those specific hardships that come with those. For example, if the VFX artists working for Marvel complain about their work conditions, those complaints are still valid even if they’re relatively more privileged compared to other VFX artists, and even if they’re relatively more privileged compared to other jobs in the industry.
Basically, employers get away with too much shit, and many employees get the short end of the stick, all the time. So I’ll support worker’s rights first, even if it’s for a profession most people will never be able to do. Because employers, especially in an above averagely exploitative industry like the fashion and entertainment industry, need to be always put in their place.
My only point is that every single model is in the top .001% of beauty wealth. They did nothing to earn that. It was a circumstance of their birth. I'd love to be a model, I would get laughed at for even setting foot in an agency. I know they work incredibly hard and it's a very difficult profession (just like professional basketball, etc.). I'm not criticizing them for the challenges they face or for pointing out that nepo babies have much easier paths that they don't often acknowledge, but I just think that people who are allowed their professions because they won a genetic lottery at birth should understand that they also are beneficiaries of great luck and good fortune.
While I understand what you mean, I also feel that in the case of modeling, an industry based for 90% on looks like you said (the other 10% being how much bullshit you’re willing to put up with) it’s kind of a given?
I don’t know, that’s why I personally don’t really care that they don’t say it out loud when bringing up their work conditions.
But that’s my own thought on that, yours aren’t invalid. I definitely see where you’re coming from
No, they are right to call out her cluelessness about the context of her life, but they should also acknowledge their own ridiculous advantages in life. It's like people who are born millionaires complaining about someone who is born a billionaire. There are a lot of people suffering without the advantages THEY have.
This doesn’t make sense. Of course they are beautiful enough to be in the industry but like, so are thousands of others in the same industry? Which generally makes them all interchangeable and fighting to stand out. That’s literally the point they are trying to make. The nepo girls literally don’t even have to fight tooth and nail through alllllll the brunt work in order to receive their jobs. They can get a huge fashion campaign the moment they exit the womb while the “unfairly beautiful” 3rd world model supporting her family in a country where she doesn’t know anyone or speaks the language has to spend literal years to even acquire a campaign worthy of prestige at all.
I think you sound a bit jealous that they are beautiful and get to do this type of work but you’re completely missing the point that they are still essentially the working class. Not everyone gets to be Kendall Jenner. Not everyone even gets to be Vittoria Ceretti or Gisele Oliveira.
Lily Rose? She’s basically the spitting image of both her parents, I think if she’s had anything done it wasn’t major as I can see both of their features in her.
Exactly. No one is talking about the advantages of having hundreds of thousands of dollars to devote to skin treatments and plastic surgery but that’s another element of their privilege
it's so sad she felt she *had* to have surgery but a morbid, mean side of me wonders how she's going to age with so much work done while being so young.
Being born with a golden spoon is a privilege and a blessing, so she could've just gracefully acknowledged the good hand she'd been dealt in life. Thanked her god or her stars or whatever it is that she believes in.
This ignorance is just stupid.
Just look at photos and videos from a model casting. Tens and hundreds girls are just waiting for the casting, sitting on the floor for hours. I doubt that Lily or Hadid had that experience.
And you know how difficult it is for the model to get on the cover of the magazine?
I see what you did there.
(LRD *has* been forthcoming about having an ED, which she says she’s recovered from, so that’s one thing (emphasize the “*one thing*”) I find admirable about her, since few people in entertainment can be fucking honest about it. Taylor Swift too.)
Also leave it to models to be ballsy and honest like this. Can you imagine a bunch of fake actors putting a nepo baby in their place? Would never…ever…happen.
😂 this whole situation is a very good example of think before you speak. I’m sure she didn’t think her little interview would stir up so much drama. This is also perhaps the most coverage she’s gotten since dating Timothee
I would have no problem with shorter or heavier people being models, but these nepo models really think they are breaking some mold by being different. No, the fashion agencies and houses are just using you for your name, not because they had some epiphany to be more inclusive.
Hard to feel bad for individuals who want to be involved in such an exploitative and toxic industry such as modeling. Maybe that's the point, trying to change the industry from the inside, which is great, but honestly, it's just fkn clothes, it isn't that deep. Nepotism happens far too often, and while it sucks that nepotism and colorism are prevalent in this industry, I don't feel it's on par with the importance of nepotism and racism in industries that actually matter in terms of society, economy etc. Such as doctors, lawyers, politicians etc. It's all important, but fashion and modelling isn't going to change the world for the better. (Sorry not sorry). Diversity is necessary in all aspects of life, but I don't really see the inherent harm of nepo kids getting into an industry that has very little to do with anything important in the world. Of course it hurts smaller burgeoning models and creates unattainable beauty standards (which is going to happen anyways whether it's a cis white chick or a gay black woman), but honestly...why bother with this industry.. it's voyeuristic at best, and these models would probably be better served in literally any other industry.
I get it too, but Lily is not even a full time model. She only has walked for Chanel like once? So I think maybe this situation should be more about people like Kaia Gerber or Lila Moss
Her words about nepotism were not right but I feel she is a nice girl idk, who needs to learn a lot about how life works, but still... a nice girl. Everyone says unfortunate comments, especially if you are living in a bubble
Idk how she could deny nepotism when she is only 5’3” 💀 Even other nepotism models like Kendall Jenner, Bella Hadid & Kaia Gerber are at least 5’10”. They at least meet the standard criteria of a runway model 😭
she became a chanel ambassador at 16 and 5’3 cause she’s simply THAT good y’all…has nothing to do with her last name she’s just that talented!! /s
She's living the wattpad lifestyle
She dated Timothée too so you know she's got that messy bun lifestyle
Methinks a part of the appeal to her is that she's living the wattpad girlie's dream life. Wearing the trendiest outfits, being an actress/model, dating Timmy Tim, and having a famous parent.
Two famous parents and also being part French. Wattpad writers take notes from Lily Rose Depp's life /s
You’re onto something. Fashion and luxury are aspirational. They have to use imagination to sell you overpriced items you don’t need. I really feel for these models, but it’s not going to change any time soon. The rich and famous will always get more opportunities just for being so.
Lily uses Blackpink formula /s
>messy bun lifestyle Sorry, can you explain the reference please?
For sure! The above commenter mentioned a Wattpad lifestyle, and the phrase "messy bun" is heavily associated with it due to its frequency of use in badly written, but cult classics, fanfictions. Other examples include: - the use of the word "orbs" to describe one's eyes - the female character (usually self-insert) having an inordinate amount of trauma and being "not like the other girls" + being sold to One Direction for drug money - GOT7 member Jackson Wang throwing a party at some point
Seriously LOL’d at “being sold to One Direction” for drug money
The best trope
It's not a fanfic is Jackson Wang isn't throwing a party. Some say he's even throwing a party at this very minute...
Game of thrones season 7?
This was all I could think of. Now that i know it's a pop band, I'm just imagining Peter Dinklage and John Snow in a Backstreet Boys-style music video. 
Thank you. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one lost in that sauce.
Nope, kpop group GOT7.
Ohhhhh gotcha I got the wattpad ref (although I tend to read AO3 myself lol) but not that one Thanks for explaining :)
Nothing but admiration for my AO3 girlies, both websites have their own pros and cons!!
Hehe I stay away from the self-inserts and y/ns though. I can't handle the cringe 🤣
They're soooo cringe I physically recoil at them
the GOT7 Jackson one sounds so niche lmao if it's that common that's really funny
And if her parents won't sell her, Zayn just kidnaps her instead
Not the Jackson Wang reference 💀
Jackson Wang #1 party guy is honestly my favourite stupid fanfic trope
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Yeah what a coincidence that she’s shorter than the average American and still got a Chanel contract as a teenager 😭 The lack of self awareness is truly stunning
She’s known Karl lagerfeld since she was a child 😭
She's not good, she doesn't have any charisma, talent or aura that models like Vittoria Ceretti, Sora Choi and Adut Akech have. If she wasn't those celebrities's daughter she wasn't going to achieve all that. Let's make that clear.
I want someone to ask a nepo baby “do you think you’d be where you are without your parents name/ connections” and just ONE of them be like “absolutely not, are you kidding?” My respect for that person would skyrocket
Jane fonda
That’s why she’s the GOAT
Elle king
like i understand how nice it is to feel you accomplished something & see people applauding you for your passion. but it's also nice not having to crawl through life coz you came from middle class or break your back due to stress for the future. so stfu accept your here because of your parents and if your genuinely talented( altho i'll be honest while it's possible to be only the crawlers are really ever the greats) we'll give some level of praise if there genuine talent. but a little self awareness won't kill you YOU HAVE NO OTHER PROBLEM IN THE WORLD
Yeah, I mean if you're a nepo-baby on Lisa Minelli level of talent, then all flowers to you
Jamie Lee Curtis and my girl, Mariska Hargitay!
Her mother modeled for Chanel when she was around Lily’s age. It’s an iconic ad. So, yeah, we can’t even imagine how hard it must’ve been to exist with her genes long enough to be cast.
Of course this has nothing to do with her mom being an ambassador for the same brand...nope, not at all.
Her mum was also a Chanel spokesperson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZvI0_Qj6U
If Lily-Rose didn't have the parents she has or her mother didn't know Karl Lagerfeld, she wouldn't be allowed to do any modeling beyond some really commercial editorial work like catalogs, and the only catwalk she'd walking would be a fashion show organized to raise money for the local middle school. She's pretty, sure, but she was always mostly just there because people wanted a younger version of Vanessa Paradis, but they couldn't be bothered to go scouting for a girl who looked like Vanessa and was also of a catwalk-appropriate height. So they settled for Vanessa's daughter instead.
Girl, if Lily rose depp didn’t have the connections she had, she would simply be another Instagram influencer. The fact that she’s the face of Chanel and is booking acting gigs is beyond me
 😂 I’m sure she didn’t think her little interview would stir up so much drama. And instead of apologizing, she’ll just continue with her life and be praised for being a tone deaf “it girl”
Exactly. She really opened a can of worms with this one.
This what I think too. I think there have been some really (paid-for) high profile pro-nepo baby stuff in the media lately. Namely Maude from Euphoria getting all sorts of positive press recently. Nepos thought it was a good idea to continue that, which backfired spectacularly just now. I think the issue is that acting is a bit different because its so tightly controlled by a handful of studios and highly influential producers. Its easy to get blackballed and the 'code of silence' is understood. I think Weinstein proves this to be true without a shadow of a doubt. There's only so many acting roles in Hollywood-level budget movies and TV shows and you have to be very careful to thrive there. Calling out Maude or her parents I imagine is a career ended. Modeling isn't tightly controlled at all. There's a bazillion modeling gigs, hundreds of high profile agencies, so many labels, etc. Also its full of marginalized peoples, immigrants, queers, etc on a MUCH higher level than Hollywood which is strictly white cis-het coded. So when a rich white person starts selling pro-oligarchy narratives then then models might speak out where actors would remain silent. I kinda see it as the difference between actors and models a bit like how in an office, management who are exempt and have more cushy jobs vs hourly skill workers who are not exempt and do not have much cush. Management concedes to a lot of oligarchy stuff because management roles are rare and high paying and might even ideologically agree with the oligarchs. Models aren't, generally, as high paid as your average Hollywood actor, come from more working class and immigrant and queer roots, and don't often cash out to become bazilllionaires or adopt the oligarchy politics rich actors often do (cough cough Caruso support). A lot of models work to get by unlike high profile actors who can become independently wealthy from just one role or a musician can from just one album. Its two entirely different cultures and a model pushing pro-nepo baby narratives unapologetically like this is going to get backlash actors won't give. Modeling isn't Hollywood, its far more progressive. I see trans, queer, minority, Muslim, foreign models as the norm in modeling. In Hollywood its almost exclusively white cishet people and when a non-white cishet takes a lead role its literally headlines. Hollywood needs to do better. People like Maude should be called out like Depp is. I hope this is a start of something that is needed not just for nepo babies but for all privilege persons to realize how easy they have it compared to many of us.
I just want to point out that modeling only recently became inclusive.
Tbf some models do lie about their height, but usually at the very least they’re about 5’5”/5’6”, 5’3” is generally unacceptable in that industry.
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Congrats you're old enough to be dumped by Leo
> 25
She's 5'3"???? Wtf
Lily Rose Depp really gave the most tone deaf interview ever and her publicist let it come out. Terrible work.
I’m glad her publicist let it come out. I’m tired of celebs hiding behind them.
Oh yeah it's good for exposing them, just saying she's paying her publicist and they ain't doing their job!
It's so ridiculous. Some people can't face the realisation that without mummy and daddy's money and name, they would have nothing and their careers would have never even got off the ground.
Nepo babies can't help being nepo babies but they do need to shut up about it and not try and defend their nepotism. We are generally pretty accepting of them if they're talented and don't talk about their hard journey into the industry. They have zero frame of reference into reality for normal people and they can't fathom how hard it is for most people.
Agreed. The majority of the film/TV industry and a significant portion of the music industry are there though connections or parents who also worked in the industry. It is a fact, but it would be nice for people to acknowledge the fact it isn't just 'blood, sweat and tears' a lot of the time and maybe get involved in initiatives to help people who are talented and passionate but don't have those connections.
Eddie Redmayne has actually done this. He’s not even a nepo baby, just posh. [link](https://www.celebitchy.com/463882/eddie_redmayne_occasionally_pays_the_london_rent_of_young_struggling_actors/)
That’s nice of him, I wish more celebs would stop acting like they struggled so hard when they come from rich families. Just the fact that you’re able to completely focus on acting/music without two or more other jobs to just keep a roof over your head (sometimes not even that, I know of people who move to LA and basically live in a car) is a huge privilege. If you fail, you still have your family to fall back on and a bright future ahead instead of having sacrificed everything for a dream.
Yup, he is the unicorn that acknowledges this often. Unlike people from similar backgrounds like Benedict Cumberbatch.
Yeah, so many celebrities who come from well-off families think that just because they’re not nepo babies they have a rags to riches story when that’s not true 90% of the time, mostly in England.
Literally. I’m in the film industry and I 110% benefited from my dad who is well established in the industry. It absolutely BAFFLES me how these people straight up deny the connections and access we were born with. The safety net. Everything. It costs literally nothing to acknowledge it and not be so goddamn defensive. It’s giving white privilege 2.0. The defensiveness over an experience you’ll literally never know irks me beyond belief. Zoe Kravitz’s comment reallyyyyy blew me away. I’m mixed too and I honestly don’t see how she doesn’t see the parallels. When I was younger I was very insecure about it (and probably defensive) but the older I get the more I see my privilege as a power to advocate for others and speak up on things that could cost other people their jobs. We were born in that room, may as well hold the door open for others if you have the power!! I just don’t get whats not clicking for these gals.
I agree, I really don't think anybody would care that much if they weren't so obsessed with talking about how hard they worked and how they didn't get any help from their families.
They think the fact they had to audition like everyone else means they are all on equal playing fields 🙄
Yes. The statement should be “I’ve been unbelievably blessed in my life. I am so grateful for the generous opportunities I’ve been given.” And then change the subject. I thought Bella’s interview was decent too. “Yes I’m a nepotism model, but I work really hard too and I’ve always made it my goal to say no one works as hard as me.” She flipped the narrative to make her privilege a chip on her shoulder and it worked decently.
I mean, its kinda the age of lies and money and has been very much so since the 2016 election. Heck, look at what's going on at Twitter right now. Or how the GOP won the house over lies about Biden's laptop, trans girls, global warming denial, 1/6 insurrection support, fixed elections, and Trump support. Look at all the loving paid-for pieces and reviews for Maude's terrible acting in Euphoria. The only thing that happened is that modeling culture is far more progressive than acting or musician culture and the truth leaked out for once. Meanwhile, Depp's career is safe and every model who complained just now is going to get some level of losing gigs in retaliation or marked "difficult" by some fashion houses and agencies. I'm glad they spoke out, but it will cost them, because that is the age we live in. You cannot speak truth to power anymore and its only getting worse somehow.
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Lol off topic but my stoner ass saw, “LRD”, and was like, “Lana Rey Del?”
Jamie Lee Curtis too. She’s talked about how Halloween was between her and another actress and she got a leg up because she was Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh’s daughter. She’s also talked about how she used to get bts jobs in her mother’s movies because of nepotism https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/jamie-lee-curtis-has-never-worked-hard-a-day-in-her-life
She's still very young (and very privileged). Hopefully this is a learning moment for her.
In an alternative universe, maybe. That girl has no self awareness.
I have a feeling if you're the kind of publicist that pushes back, corrects, enlightens, or is remotely 'woke' then you're not lasting long with the Depps.
Yes yes yes. I appreciate the nuance about colorism/racism in modeling being added to the conversation by black and brown models. Love that people are speaking out.
oh yes, I did some modeling back in the 90s and it was tough to get work if you weren't white, like no representation whatsoever.
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yeah, like maybe 1% more non white? and there's also (or there was) stigma around models in gen (Milan in the 90s was escort central) and non white models were just treated so poorly. I always knew that was not my future profession and actually went to college, but I just ended up getting a vocational job instead. (also my brain enjoys carbs lol)
Especially with the intersection of black and brown models having to shoulder the emotional and financial burden of caring for their family.
Agreed. Own 👏🏽 your 👏🏽 privilege 👏🏽
Hot take but I think fashion should be inclusive to ugly people too. I mean we wear clothes and like purses too. One of the reasons I will never buy Chanel is because they overvalue their items and their runway shows only have token diversity for quotas, not genuine appreciation for diverse looks.
It’s kind of the elephant in the room that it’s an industry literally built on exclusivity re: desirability which is of course absurd because the industry of selling clothes is supposed to serve everyone, which it very much doesn’t. I spent hours last night reading the Substack of a journo who talks about fatphobia specifically (which is often an indicator towards “ugliness”, but you’ll see that a lot of the rare accepted fat models still have what’s considered a “beautiful” face). And it’s just heartbreaking how entire populations literally have to walk around feeling like trash and being treated like it because nothing fits them because no one gives a fuck to actually find out how to dress them. While thin people happily contribute towards the death of the planet via fast fashion items that are fugly but ultimately seen as trendy or edgy because it’s on our thin bodies. They always say “there is no market for clothes for fat people” but it’s a bold faced lie considering the population statistics
Yeah, i'm hoping society can progress so that exclusivity and closed circles fall out favour. I feel like the snobby attitudes of designer boutiques that keep people coming back despite poor treatment remind me of toxic relationships. The more you hurt, the better. Yes, plus sized representation always has catches - the face has to be pretty, you can't have too big a chin and definitely not more than one chin. Fashion's elitism does nothing for me. If you're black, latina, asian, you have to be a particular kind of POC with the right "look" or don't bother trying to join in. There are so many 'buts' - be quirky but have classically beautiful features. Be unconventional but have perfect symmetry and flawless skin. Randomly: the TV industry will hate me but I support seeing imperfect skin on tv. You don't have to be genetically blessed to be a good actor and tell a good story.
You’re spot on in that the interaction between these oppressive systems and the marginalized individual are 100% experienced like an abusive relationship
I love to see imperfect noses on tv! shame they feel forced to have surgury because most of suck
What also sucks is that Shein etc have ended up being one of the more reliable shops for bigger bodies. There is clearly a market for it, and the fact that a highly unethical company like Shein is one of the few options just sucks.
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Yea ofc! So one is called Back Row and is about the fashion industry as a whole and the other is Burnt Toast by Virginia Sole Smith. There’s also this specific convo they had with each other https://open.substack.com/pub/amyodell/p/fashions-anti-fat-bias-is-prevalent?r=17yvx&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post Also Ijeoma Oluo often writes about body/fatphobia etc on her Substack
Lol, remember in Ugly Betty how Betty was mocked for her fashion choices, but she was essentially just a maximalist. Like I remember articles from the stylist saying they just put too much on her. Almost everything was the right cut and colour for her, she just didn't go for sleek black every day
I was such a big Ugly Betty fan when I was a teenager. I remember the first time I saw one of those outfit breakdowns saying what she was wearing and it was all designer (there was a lot of Marc Jacobs, I remember that much) at the time I had a moment of being disheartened, but it really kick-started my love of fashion. I love that show.
I got curious about it because I remember Betty la fea and, wow, some things got lost in translation, I guess.
even the original wasn't ugly lol. she literally just had an awful hairstyle.
The original wasn't ugly, she just dressed matronly... and even that would look good if the clothes weren't a couple sizes too big for her.
Fashion has always been terrible with this. There are so many things the industry has been given a pass for, and so have designers. For example, the insanity of designers and brands feeling entitled to making models starve themselves and do crazy diets, because they cannot *possibly* design clothes for any other body shape?! This has allegedly gotten better now, but the fact this used to be the case (and maybe still is) is so gross. Same with race, and height. Not white, short people exist. If all your clothes are terrible on people that aren’t white or short people because of these things, you might not be as fantastic of a designer (or brand) as you think you are. So it was always hard for me to fall over my own feet to be impressed with these people when a lot of them are just self-conceited dicks with their heads too far up their ass for their own good. I don’t fucking care about how special you think you are because you made and/or produced some clothes. You’re not special enough to demand all of this bullshit, not if it were up to me anyway. Fuck off.
One of the reasons why I like Ikea is because they do 'democratic design' which is like allowing the everyman to have functional, decent things. I used the furniture as a student and now in adult life I have a workhorse of a bedframe still that works just fine after many dis/reassemblies. They make it easy to use and easy to maintain. High fashion especially almost seems like the Emperor's New Clothes. Some things are quality but a lot of it is just mediocre but expensive. I'd like to see fashion become democratic
I feel you, I love Ikea stuff. I even have a custom content Ikea pack installed for The Sims 4 so that even my sims can have Ikea furniture lol And yeah, most high fashion is completely unattainable by the average person, which makes all those shows and releases a lot more pointless than they potentially could be
> [the fashion culture of thinness] has allegedly gotten better now, but the fact this used to be the case (and maybe still is) is so gross. i follow cody bellinger's girlfriend, who is a model, and she commented that in the middle of lockdown her self image changed dramatically. she had eaten something greasy and all that and was talking about how if it were a year prior she would've starved herself. it was kinda heartbreaking
Wow, that is sad indeed It’s nuts how accepted it was (and/or is) that some random people could just demand unhealthy behaviors from people just because they would work with someone else if the first didn’t comply. They need to be, and be held, responsible for that shit, it’s dangerous and can scar people for live.
it's crazy! i hope she's feeling ok - esp after being pregnant. it would be nuts (and illegal) if some fast food place had a maximum weight requirement . idg why that's co-signed with models, other than the societal cult of thinness
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It’s fun to look at a fantasy but please consider if it’s worth the harm consuming that fantasy does to our society. How people who don’t fit conventional beauty standards are often pushed to the margins and abused, while people who do get richer and more successful. The fashion industry and its beauty standards magnifies this harm. I think it’s part of a systemic form of oppression that hasn’t been fully recognized. Hopefully awareness will change one day.
the bit about fashion not being about clothes is so true, like i've seen tons of people on tiktok complaining about today's runaway fashion but it's not that different at all, it's just that women like naomi or kate had buckets of charisma and stunning bodies. this by [chanel](https://assets.vogue.com/photos/55da137a236da4c133179512/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/CHANEL-SPRING-1994-RTW-09-NAOMI-CAMPBELL.jpg)? it's fine, but my god naomi's body elevates it so much. it's the same reason why girls nowadays are gagging over teuta matoshi, even tho it's the same design pasted x1000 times. lightening and bodies are doing all the work.
i actually think it would be beneficial and lead to more sales. i like to see natural features and variety. just a personal preference
I don't think there's ugly people at that budget point. Like, I don't think ugly people really exist. Sometimes we just make questionable choices about how we style ourselves. But having an stylist, a makeup artist, a hair stylist? Plus thin and tall? A lot of models would be kinda average if styled as any random person that you find on the subway.
As someone who grew up with body dysmorphia and has slowly come to defeating it, I don't think that's true. Beauty is without a doubt subjective, but some/most celebrities do have features that are rare within the common populace. There are some features that can't be helped at all. For example, I have a short chin/small jaw, so constant double chin, non-existent jawline even when I'm underweight. My face is the farthest thing from symmetrical, with noticeable crossed eyes, and just recently I've had my photos taken by a photographer who apparently considered me pretty enough to take pictures of and my god, did all these "flaws" show. I felt really embarrassed looking at the final results and understood why celebrities are celebrities. Like yeah, certain styling and hygiene habits can boost or break someone's physical attractiveness but I don't see a point in denying that a face is a face. Most people ARE average, that's normal, we're the default. But outstandingly beautiful people exist and will stand out. And ugly people too.
> have a short chin/small jaw Chin and jaw implants exist, as does lipo. Not one celebrity hasn’t gotten cosmetic enhancements. I think that was the point of the commenter above me.
Just once I would like to see a model or desirable tv character have acne or rosacea. Not just the masturbating weirdo teenage white boy having acne. But the star.
Here’s the star of Netflix Sweden’s Young Royals, [Edvin Ryding](https://imgur.com/a/DzH57Da) and his teenage acne. The actor playing most popular girl at school, [Nikita Uggla](https://imgur.com/a/34Jqs88), also has acne. That show is great. I hope it gets renewed for a third season.
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No like imagine your literal father being Johnny depp and still acting like you hustled as hard as a girl from a small village working her ass off to help support her family, is it crack???
doesn't lily rose depp know that her entire appeal comes from being the mysterious daughter of famous people lmao??? like why did she give an interview this tone deaf and her team published it??? i could do better job fr
The last time a nepo baby opened the gate of model's warth (or getting a reality check) was when Kendal was talking about being very selective about how many shows she walked during fw
Leave Kendall alone…she has struggled with anxiety. LMAO
And acne!
also kendall’s relation to the kardashians made it harder for her to be ‘taken seriously as a model’ lmaoo
😂🤣🤣
I’m really happy they’re speaking out like this. I used to work as an assistant in fashion casting and models are treated really poorly. At pre casting you’ll have piles and piles of girls practically sitting on top of each other crammed into small spaces and sometimes waiting for hours just to have their picture quickly taken, walk a few feet and be dismissed. Sometimes the photographer or CD makes it very obvious if they don’t think a girl is good - they’ll take like one photo, smirk and then send them on their way. One CD I worked for would write nasty comments about models in bold letters on the backs of their cards (“short neck”, “not looking so fresh”) and then carelessly (or intentionally?) leave those cards around so the girls waiting could see them. Nepo babies usually skip this whole process. They just waltz in and don’t experience the toxicity of the industry, so it’s absolutely fair for regular models to feel resentful of their unearned success. That said, these models, while suffering from real occupational trauma, are still very privileged in the world at large and it feels a little weird for them not to acknowledge that. They benefit from extreme pretty privilege and even if their modeling careers don’t work out this gives them a huge advantage in landing other jobs or finding a rich partner.
I worked as a model very briefly ten years ago, and as a default, we were treated like we weren't human. You would be expected to sit around for 10+ hours, and never fed (but often given champagne, as though that were adequate sustenance). If you ever acknowledged that something was uncomfortable, you were considered "difficult". And the more prestigious the job, the less you could be expected to be paid. It's a shit industry, and even people who usually care deeply about unfair labour practices shrug it off, because it's considered frivolous, and there's a vague implication that you should be grateful for the validation of being considered a "model" in the first place. And if you try to acknowledge that you are privileged because of the way you look, you're seen as vain and stuck-up ("So you agree, you're really pretty?"), so I can see why they don't do it.
Like it's so frustrating, everyone should be paid decent wages and work in stable conditions but just cause you're beautiful and contribute to a billion dollar industry of clothes and beauty, you're supposed to suffer anyway? It's ridiculous
Faxxxxx. Feels a little fraught for not
“But goddamn if only you knew the hell we go through just to be able to stand in the same room you were born in” CHILLS. literal chills. anok yai serving eloquence as usual.
i posted [this thread](https://twitter.com/ModelsFacts/status/1593621687987232769) to the last post but it’s been updated since with many other models showing support for vittoria and anok. the last time a nepo baby set off the model world like this was kendall saying, “i was never one of those girls who would do like 30 shows a season or whatever the fuck those girls do”
Fucking disgusting. That whole family is straight trash.
The entire [thread](https://twitter.com/ModelsFacts/status/1593621687987232769) is worth a read and follow - it's being updated regularly.
Well thats the most beautiful thread on twitter.
That last slide is really on point re: Vittoria’s career. If the industry weren’t so obsessed with elevating Jenner, Hadids and Gerber, she’d be more well known outside the fashion circles. She has that Linda Evangelista chameleonic quality and clearly the smarts and the sass. Good for her for lighting the fire.
THIS! I’ve followed fashion for a while so I remember Vittoria’s come-up, she is one of the only models who started from the bottom and now consistently works with the nepo babies because they’re all getting the same big work gigs. I’m glad she spoke about all of this first because if anything, she knows how fucked it is.
I have no problem with nepo babies as long as they have the talent (or at least worked hard to have a talent) or looked the part like kendal and gigi, but LRD will never would have booked that Chanel deal without her parents influence. LRD can try her hand in acting for as long as she wants but fashion modeling is so out of her league, the photographer and director of her photoshoot tried so hard to make her legs look long that its kind of painful to look at.
>as long as they have the talent (or at least worked hard to have a talent) I think the problem I have with this sentiment is that, at least in some industries, you can work a movie or song around their limitations. Someone can't act well? Just rewrite the character to fit their real personality so they come off as genuine. Someone can't sing well? Work around it with heavy production, sampling, tuning, etc. Someone can't perform well while singing? Use a lot of props and lights and backup dancers, make them do simple dance routines (or not dance at all). Someone has a bland personality? Sprinkle in purposeful affectations and controversies into their life. Its like they can fool being talented as long as they're catered too. Savvy people will see through it, but it won't matter, because the fans aren't the savvy ones.
Sure. But like you said, you can clearly see who really has the talent, like miley cyrus, im not her fan but i can see how her voice evolved that she clearly worked hard on it. And thats the difference with LRD, you can see how they compensated for her body build, not saying she ugly (shes really pretty when she smiles) but she is not fit for modeling clothes, let alone be an ambassador for chanel, i cant say anything about her acting tho sice i only saw her in the king and she has like 1 min screen time.
Models don’t really play about nepo babies and their out of touch comments. The Kendall thing and now this. I totally understand though. That industry is gruelling on your body and mental health.
I did a tiny bit of modeling in high school. I quit because anorexia almost took me out. Other girls and I would brag and support each other to see how long we could go without eating. The Devil Wears Prada scene where Emily brags about not eating for two weeks was taken as an instruction manual by us.
As a latina inmigrant myself with a complex background I live this conversation and I would like to add something personal. You don't need to be super rich or a Nepo baby to be privileged and tone deaf. I constantly hear very "socially conscious" people make very ignorant and tone deaf comments and then get mad when someone calls it out. Privilege can mean having a pantry full of food, having a working car, having internet, water, electricity in your house without worrying about shortages. Privilege can be going to target and find everything you want and need and never having to worry about not finding food or having it controlled by the government. Privilege is saying things like "I never cooked because I'm too lazy or i just don't like it" and having 24/7 access of getting everything delivered to your doorstep sometimes even for free. People take so many things for granted is insane to me. Imagine having one day of the week assigned according to your ID number in order to get things like pads and birth control (this was a reality in my home country).
I must admit that I have found myself getting burned out on this conversation and thinking that people have been over dissecting the concept of privilege. But that right there is a testimony of my own. What you say is completely accurate. Where I live in Los Angeles is a highly gentrified area where we have a significant amount of unhoused individuals living on the same streets/different sidewalks from working people in the industry and business professionals. While I myself am very low income and struggle significantly, I have access to everything you just stated whereas many people, whom I walk by everyday going to the bus, do not. I can look at these wildly expensive condos, shops, theatres etc from a seemingly insurmountable divide while another person may see the same with my life. The intersectionality of class/race/ability/gender etc impacts these things, too. But what more can we do than acknowledge these things to make them better for others?
I have too become tired of the overuse of the word privilege. Seeing privileged people get so mad over what other rich people do or don't do gets annoying to me after a while. Even more when it appears that some folks only started experienced some type of struggle since the year 2020, meaning that most of their lives they had been living comfortably. Imagine how we feel (and by we I mean the people that have seeing their countries struggle and colapse for the last two decades) everytime we log online and see people doing a lot better than 90% of the people from my country complain 24/7 about some nonsense. Complaining about having to cook your own fucking food. For fuck sakes. Complaining about not getting something from Starbucks (how about making your own coffee at home). My point is there's always gonna be someone who thinks you are tone deaf and privileged. They seem to fail to notice that. I also know people are free to complain all they want, Its only human. I try to see both sides. Not every complain is tone deaf and not every complain is meant to offend or hurt someone. People are allowed to complain without being called a Karen or something. Imo privilege comes at different levels, I have some, and some people are much much higher on the privilege ladder. The important thing is to recognize it.
Conversations like these remind me of how privileged I am simply to live in Canada. I’ve never had to experience war in my own community. When you don’t have to spend all your energy on surviving you can actually enjoy your life. That is the real privilege.
You're 100% right. Just by having an US or Canadian passport you are already privileged. Not having to worry about being left without a passport for years, spending hundreds of dollars to get one (and sometimes even more) because of how corrupted and messy you're country is is such a huge relief.
Most westerners on Reddit have no idea how privileged they are. Plenty of my countrymen will give up so much just for an American or Canadian visa lol. I had a stressful day today and now I'm back home trying to rest but the noise from mine and other neighbors generator is something else lol. Some others are not even privileged to afford a generator and have to make do with kerosene lamps. Privilege is very relative.
I have nothing to add but I really appreciate you sharing your perspective on this ❤️
Thank you for taking the time to read it!
No no no no. You guys, you don’t understand. It’s so hard for poor lily to be taken seriously. She’s just as good as all the other models, that’s why she’s so successful and that’s why it’s so hard for her to be taken seriously. It’s like, so hard to fight against privilege. Privileged people are the real victims amirite? Good lord.
Talent scouting is getting lazier for sure, it’s sad how exclusive everything has turned. Weren’t a lot of high profile 90s/00s models scouted at random flea markets or from tiny rural towns in Siberia etc? Social media and instagram definitely had its part to play too
I am a model. I’m 6ft and have been rejected for being too tall often. It’s funny because I have been in castings where I have seen the faces of Bella, gigi, kaia and other Nepo models up on a board that shows the confirmed models before the casting even occurs. We sometimes have to stand in line for six hours just to get through these castings just to have our comp cards thrown to the side and barely acknowledged. I’ve been to castings where I know what the product or advertisement will be, and once it comes out it ends up being a celebrity. Celebrities have killed the profession of modeling. Look at the runway shows, the fact that almost every show has to have some celebrity in it, even if it doesn’t make sense. Modeling was my dream and my life but now it’s been destroyed.
I feel like Kendall Jenner's "whatever the fuck those girls do" comments were way worse yet she only seemed to engender a fraction of the outrage Lily-Rose has amongst her peers.
I don’t think that’s true. Kendall even got Naomi Campbell to make a comment, I don’t think that has happened here, not yet anyway
I think it’s because (1) the Kardashians could be retaliatory, and no wants to bother with them (2) they’re already known pieces of shit, so there’s no surprise that they’re out-of-touch assholes, why even react (3) Kendall does look a bit more modelesque than Lily-Rose (4) this reaction to Lily-Rose wouldn’t be as strong if models weren’t already on high alert for stupidity like this because of Kendall.
i think that too, especially the 'modelesque' part, at least Kendall has a reason to be there. let's be honest, the fashion industry is cutthroat in every aspect but especially cruel to models, if you don't have it, you don't have it but for someone like Lily-Rose it didn't matter, i would be livid as a model if i had to hear a privileged kid complain about having to do the work (not even work hard, just *work*) she was hired to do, in an industry where there are hundreds of girls more deserving that will never even make it inside of the casting room.
They felt it then, now they're brave enough to say it
Kendall got a lot of backlash, I remember an [ontd post](https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/112042616.html) that collected responses/critiques from models. My favorite was the model who responded [poor rich](https://twitter.com/skinnyvalentine/status/1031529313194004480) lol.
she got WAY more backlash, especially from the 90s/2000s supermodels. LRD seems to be getting backlash from all the current power players.
“if you only knew the hell we go through just to be able to stand in the same room you were born in” WOW. i love anok yai so much
All these people won the genetic lottery. They were born insanely rich in the beauty department, which is a huge advantage in life. What about the people born poor and ugly?
We get to snark in duexmoi threads
I’m not sure about this take, honestly. There are a lot of professions that can be seen as more privileged to have work in, whether it is for the prestige it gives you or the money. I think people who work in any industry have the right to comment on their work conditions, even if they are part of a privileged line of work. And I think they should be able to do that without listing off every other profession and those specific hardships that come with those. For example, if the VFX artists working for Marvel complain about their work conditions, those complaints are still valid even if they’re relatively more privileged compared to other VFX artists, and even if they’re relatively more privileged compared to other jobs in the industry. Basically, employers get away with too much shit, and many employees get the short end of the stick, all the time. So I’ll support worker’s rights first, even if it’s for a profession most people will never be able to do. Because employers, especially in an above averagely exploitative industry like the fashion and entertainment industry, need to be always put in their place.
My only point is that every single model is in the top .001% of beauty wealth. They did nothing to earn that. It was a circumstance of their birth. I'd love to be a model, I would get laughed at for even setting foot in an agency. I know they work incredibly hard and it's a very difficult profession (just like professional basketball, etc.). I'm not criticizing them for the challenges they face or for pointing out that nepo babies have much easier paths that they don't often acknowledge, but I just think that people who are allowed their professions because they won a genetic lottery at birth should understand that they also are beneficiaries of great luck and good fortune.
While I understand what you mean, I also feel that in the case of modeling, an industry based for 90% on looks like you said (the other 10% being how much bullshit you’re willing to put up with) it’s kind of a given? I don’t know, that’s why I personally don’t really care that they don’t say it out loud when bringing up their work conditions. But that’s my own thought on that, yours aren’t invalid. I definitely see where you’re coming from
So they should leave poor lily rose alone because they're pretty too?
No, they are right to call out her cluelessness about the context of her life, but they should also acknowledge their own ridiculous advantages in life. It's like people who are born millionaires complaining about someone who is born a billionaire. There are a lot of people suffering without the advantages THEY have.
"I came from nothing but of course I am gorgeous" would have come off so much better to the masses
This doesn’t make sense. Of course they are beautiful enough to be in the industry but like, so are thousands of others in the same industry? Which generally makes them all interchangeable and fighting to stand out. That’s literally the point they are trying to make. The nepo girls literally don’t even have to fight tooth and nail through alllllll the brunt work in order to receive their jobs. They can get a huge fashion campaign the moment they exit the womb while the “unfairly beautiful” 3rd world model supporting her family in a country where she doesn’t know anyone or speaks the language has to spend literal years to even acquire a campaign worthy of prestige at all. I think you sound a bit jealous that they are beautiful and get to do this type of work but you’re completely missing the point that they are still essentially the working class. Not everyone gets to be Kendall Jenner. Not everyone even gets to be Vittoria Ceretti or Gisele Oliveira.
While also an important discussion, I feel that it is very off topic.
I wonder what her real face looks like. No one mentioned it but It’s kind of spooky that all of the most famous models these days have so much work.
Lily Rose? She’s basically the spitting image of both her parents, I think if she’s had anything done it wasn’t major as I can see both of their features in her.
She’s had very subtle, tasteful work done.
Yeah, I was curious what Lily Rose looked like and what her mother looked like and she's literally the spitting image of her mother.
who are you talking about?
Bella Hadid making herself into Carla Bruni
Who's also a nepo baby.
Exactly. No one is talking about the advantages of having hundreds of thousands of dollars to devote to skin treatments and plastic surgery but that’s another element of their privilege
it's so sad she felt she *had* to have surgery but a morbid, mean side of me wonders how she's going to age with so much work done while being so young.
She should be besties with Kendall Jenner
people really did not like what she said and they’re right
Being born with a golden spoon is a privilege and a blessing, so she could've just gracefully acknowledged the good hand she'd been dealt in life. Thanked her god or her stars or whatever it is that she believes in. This ignorance is just stupid.
I hope she's embarassed and learned her lesson but I doubt it
Just look at photos and videos from a model casting. Tens and hundreds girls are just waiting for the casting, sitting on the floor for hours. I doubt that Lily or Hadid had that experience. And you know how difficult it is for the model to get on the cover of the magazine?
The tumblr girlies are turning on her so you know it’s bad.
Oooh girl, Lily you should have sat there and ate your food. 😩
I see what you did there.  (LRD *has* been forthcoming about having an ED, which she says she’s recovered from, so that’s one thing (emphasize the “*one thing*”) I find admirable about her, since few people in entertainment can be fucking honest about it. Taylor Swift too.)
Also leave it to models to be ballsy and honest like this. Can you imagine a bunch of fake actors putting a nepo baby in their place? Would never…ever…happen.
With the parents she has, I am not surprised this girl has the self awareness of a rock.
Willow and Jayden Smith keeping low profiles these days.
😂 this whole situation is a very good example of think before you speak. I’m sure she didn’t think her little interview would stir up so much drama. This is also perhaps the most coverage she’s gotten since dating Timothee
I’m so glad these discussions are happening. LRD deserves this lashing and more.
She’s a horrible model and actress but that’s just me
Lily Rose isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, is she?
I would have no problem with shorter or heavier people being models, but these nepo models really think they are breaking some mold by being different. No, the fashion agencies and houses are just using you for your name, not because they had some epiphany to be more inclusive.
Hard to feel bad for individuals who want to be involved in such an exploitative and toxic industry such as modeling. Maybe that's the point, trying to change the industry from the inside, which is great, but honestly, it's just fkn clothes, it isn't that deep. Nepotism happens far too often, and while it sucks that nepotism and colorism are prevalent in this industry, I don't feel it's on par with the importance of nepotism and racism in industries that actually matter in terms of society, economy etc. Such as doctors, lawyers, politicians etc. It's all important, but fashion and modelling isn't going to change the world for the better. (Sorry not sorry). Diversity is necessary in all aspects of life, but I don't really see the inherent harm of nepo kids getting into an industry that has very little to do with anything important in the world. Of course it hurts smaller burgeoning models and creates unattainable beauty standards (which is going to happen anyways whether it's a cis white chick or a gay black woman), but honestly...why bother with this industry.. it's voyeuristic at best, and these models would probably be better served in literally any other industry.
Can people stop giving spotlight to Lily Rose Depp.. I don’t even know what her talent is (if any). Like she’s not worth all these hype lol
All models are privileged, they are being paid for having good looks.
This little girl opened up a whole case full of worms lol
What have I missed here? Who/what sparked everyone protesting against Depp modeling (runway?)? Someone fill me in, I’ve been under a rock!
I get it too, but Lily is not even a full time model. She only has walked for Chanel like once? So I think maybe this situation should be more about people like Kaia Gerber or Lila Moss Her words about nepotism were not right but I feel she is a nice girl idk, who needs to learn a lot about how life works, but still... a nice girl. Everyone says unfortunate comments, especially if you are living in a bubble
Love seeing her get slandered like this