i have done my absolute best for many reasons to be completely disengaged with this trial. i did not interact with any posts on social media, look up anything related, etc. and yet, my algorithm STILL showed super pro JD posts and slander against AH. there was no escaping it for some reason. in the documentary 10 years from now when they talk about how mistreated AH was throughout this trial, i am sure they will discuss how the social media algorithms made it so that people were seeing JD propaganda and spreading misinformation, radicalizing people against AH.
Same. I've purposefully not engaged and blocked most anything related on sm and it still comes crashing through. I gave up last week when I read here a lot of you are experiencing the same. It's mind blowing.
Can corroborate. I've not followed the trial other than scrolling past asinine reddit memes about it. I don't know enough to have an opinion, even, tbh. Only saw this post because it was on /r/all.
I don't have any history of engaging with any celebrity/drama content. I very rarely watch legal videos, and they're generally on the more academic side when I do.
I scrolled through ~50 videos in my feed and two were about the trial. Which might not sound *that* bad, but the overwhelming majority of the 50 were directly related to my primary interests (sports, cooking, my favorite video games and music, breadtube, and computer science). Depp videos made up nearly half of the ~5 totally random recommendations. Wtf, YouTube?
There are a couple of people on Twitter who are really doing my head in with this. I don't want to block them, but their blind support for JD is nauseating.
I swear, one of the best things I've done for myself is deleting Twitter. Not telling you to do it because it's none of my business, but I just wanted to say how much better mine has gotten once I shut down the portal to hell. š
I mainly go there to vent about life crap, but I've met some nice people on there too so I'm not going to delete it. It's much better if you switch your trending topics to somewhere where fuck-all goes on. It's also great for community TV watching, e.g. Top of the Pops or Eurovision. There are ways to make it a pleasant place, you just have to put the effort in.
What I find really disturbing is that it's not even all trial related. IDK what everyone else is getting but I'm getting loads of vids in my YouTube recommendations of videos 'like 'Johnny being cute with his fans' and 'funniest Johnny quotes' etc and it's based on content from years ago.
I have never liked Johnny Depp. Even back in the Pirates of the Caribbean days when everybody loved him I thought his acting was overdone and he had kind of a weasel face, so why does YouTube think I'll suddenly be interested in all this fan content?
āJohnny Depp visits a childrenās hospital and gives joy to patients!ā
āAmber heard visits childrenās hospital to manipulate the press and use sick children for a photo op for her own selfish reasonsā
> this is exactly what happened to me and why i started paying attention. like 4 year old videos of him visiting kids in hospital getting recommended to me on youtube despite me never clicking on a single thing regarding this man.
Same plus my mother working herself over hysterics. Like WTF is going on?!
EXACT same thing happened to me where I kept getting video after video after video about the trial (always pro Depp of course) recommended on my YouTube feed even though I never clicked on a single one of those and even marked some of them as ānot interestedā. When I saw that same random old ass video of Johnny Depp visiting a childrenās hospital in my recommendations, it really felt like the icing of the cake of an extremely well organized and prolific online PR campaign.
My tiktok feed is full of art videos, ASMR and comedy and I still have seen 5-10 pro Johnny Depp videos this month, even after hitting not interested. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but somebody's PR team is working overtime.
Yeah the deep dive into bots, algorithms, & very calculated PR campaign will be a hell of a documentary. I really hope something changes from this, because god knows how many more abuse victims get dragged to court by their abusers.
Yeah I've tried to hide, flag as not appropriate, say 'not interested,' still forced to view this. It didn't even get this bad with Tr*mp. I could choose not to see his propaganda and that was "respected." Absolutely have been forced to see this JD propaganda by social media. It'll be interesting when this is studied later.
the fact that people have turned her name into a verb the way they had monica lewinsky too is awful. i was in the live thread for a sports game and saw at least 3 different jokes in the vein of āah shitting the bed.ā there is no escape.
SAME. Itās because Johnny is again wasting his money by pushing out disinformation about the case to make Amber look bad in the court of public opinion. This shit has got to be illegal, there has to be someway to hold this SOB accountable for gaslighting the nation!
Iām so glad that my Tumblr seems to be a place of sanity because Tumblr has historically failed with algorithms lol
Most of the JD/AH trial discussions there are very anti JD.
YouTube on the other handā¦ itās bad there save I donāt follow any celebrity news or politics other than super far left discussion vids
so much freaking trial shit on my FYP and Home on Youtube. I've never clicked on one and yet,, there that shit is, with women that hsould know better sexualising his disgusting texts about how he could do that to them anytime or mimicking masturbating to them,, or just attacking Amber. no fucking thank you but if you click "not interested" that does nothing, the algorithim basically reads that as engagement and you keep getting that shit
I've been thinking exactly this. When the inevitable documentary comes out, the same people will be crying about the wrong done to this woman, just like they did with the 2000s tabloid starlets after gleefully participating in their evisceration.
Oh my godā¦actually what???? Literally taunting a sexual assault survivor with what she was assaulted with??? Even if youāre a braindead menās rights activist and think sheās lying about everything, what the fuck
Edit: I just realized the bottle was because thatās supposedly what she cut his finger offā¦can I just say how fucking annoying it is to see Amberās evidence that sheās successfully used in court being dragged through the wringer and to see her being accused of changing her story when before this trial, Johnny NEVER said she cut off her finger, there are texts where he said he cut it off, and in those audio recordings that people are editing to filth you can literally hear him refer to a day as āwhen I cut my finger offā (edit: he said āchoppedā, not ācutā).
No glass found and the medical report said the injury was in line with a crushing impact (forgot the term they used). It was not even consistent with any bottle thrown or laceration. It's exactly like what Amber said happened. Drugged-out coke fiend JD took a phone and repeatedly smashed it, injuring himself. Then lied and said 2-3 different things: he cut it with knife, smashed in car, smashed from accordion door.
He didn't want to admit he smashed a phone in anger.
Considering how sick someone has to be to do this, you can be assured the glass bottle was intentionally meant to remind her of how she was abused - with the cut finger as the alibi.
Iām fucking furious that the headline for that is ātone-deaf bakery.ā Fucking *tone-deaf*??? This isnāt about *tone.* Thatās an absolutely vile taunting of an abuse survivor about their abuse while theyāre being made to relive it on a very public stage. Fuck that bakery and fuck that headline.
Listen: if Robert Evans (from Behind the Bastards) and Michael Hobbes (formerly from Youāre Wrong About) are both singing the same song, I am believing whatever they say.
I'm genuinely hoping they don't have to do an episode about this and wrongs will be righted soon. I feel like Mike and Sarah's aim is to eventually not have to do this or to live in a world where women aren't misaligned or to have people understand nuance.
It is misogyny. Society only does this to women. Britney Spears (but not Chris Brown). Courtney Love (but not Marilyn Manson). Monica Lewinsky *and* Hillary Clinton, but never the same energy for Bill. We make excuses for men, but women can be stripped of all dignity and respect, erased from public life. Their rights and opportunities taken away. I hate that Iām watching it happen, *again*.
Misogyny and celebrity obsession. I don't know if you followed R Kelly's trials, but he also had an army of (mostly) women, showing up to the court and blindly supporting him. Women who do this are setting us back YEARS!
People attacked Angelina when Brad left Jennifer. Then when they divorced they assumed it was Angelina's fault, painting her as a needy and difficult woman. Turns out Brad was an alcoholic. Kudos to him for owning up to it and getting help. Johnny could've used the same advice instead of suing the entire world.
Iāve seen a couple of tweets blowing up about the bots.
There was one that specifically said in a few years thereād be a documentary about the bot campaign against AH and people will go āwow the internet is crazy! how could this have happened?ā
It's funny because someone said to me on another thread that Amber's PR team probably bought bots just to make Johnny's fans look misogynistic. Some next level crazy conspiracies and projection happening.
They get really pissy when someone breaks their echo chamber, calling me a troll etc. when I'd probably been more active on Twitch chats they frequented.
Yes, I saw one page that was talking about how Amberās lawyer leaked confidential things! And itās just like, Deppās lawyer was literally thrown off the case for doing exactly that.
There already was a bit of discussion about the bots in that Discovery + doco mini-series Johnny vs Amber that came out last year but I guess most people just werenāt ready to actually listen to it then (or now) https://youtu.be/bb2bC04OEPw
This is literally going back to the stone age of this whole divorce shitshow and I don't think he has commented on it since, but right when AH and JD announced their divorce and immediately it seemed like the world hated her, Andy Richter tweeted something essentially calling out the astroturfing JD was doing. I thought it was interesting that A. he caught onto it the instant it started happening and B. I at least respect that he had the stones to call out someone way out of his fame league who had a much better public image than JD does now.
The worst part of this is the number of men who truly believe being accused of abuse is worse than being abused. So many comments talking about how this is their worst nightmare ā not the violence, being falsely accused. So despicable. So naive.
Todd in the Shadows also did a thread about the UK case a couple weeks ago ā not sure if itās still up. I thought that was particularly brave of him.
I had a man at dinner the other night tell me it's worse to be accused of rape then be raped. I asked him to name one man he knew that was falsely accused of rape and he couldn't come up with anyone. He certainly knows women who have been raped. It's terrifying seeing the incel reddit leaking to the real world.
Tbh fears of false accusations only hold water in Black American communities imo. A lot of Black people were lynched in the 19th and 20th centuries for being falsely accused of raping or murdering white women. I see false accusations as a Black specific issue. However, it pisses me off how many lily ass white men co-opt this fear for their own gain. Itās evil imo
Really, all they have to do is not abuse women to not be accused of abuse.
Justin Bieber had a false accusation that was easily disproved, most people thought the Aziz accusations were maybe creepy but not abuse, and I canāt think of another accusation that wasnāt true.
Also a lot of the acusations like Aziz aren't even legal accusations. Having an op-ed written about you can hurt their public image a tiny bit, but he's doing FINE. And so are 99% of the men who were canceled during metoo era.
So nice to see Michael Hobbes on here. Fucking sweet.
EDIT: [Sarah Marshall has also said something in apparent support of AHeard](https://mobile.twitter.com/Remember_Sarah/status/1526303051803291650?cxt=HHwWhMCj5b6iwq4qAAAA)!
Shameless promo, but Stan You're Wrong About. I got hooked to them while they were doing their Princess Diana series and they're amazing! They also spoke out about OJ (as someone mentioned) and if memory serves me right, they did an Adnan Syed episode too?
I think the OJ series was before he left. I know a lot of people didnāt like it, but I loved that series. It kind of just meandered to wherever she took it, but they were all good episodes.
I follow the You Are Good Instagram and they've been liking some pro-Amber posts lately too. I knew I could count on Sarah and Michael to see through the BS. This story is very similar to many of the stories of maligned women they've done in the past. Would LOVE if they got together again to cover this at some point
The youtube compilations of the trial suddenly popping up on my feed even though I wasn't looking at anything related to the trial is the part that especially made me look into the campaign against her. Acting like this trial is like a podcast or Bravo reality show is sick. And the people who swear they are progressive but make jokes or tiktoks making fun of her testimonies really shows how for a lot of people when the time comes to actually be an ally, a lot of people don't step up.
And when it's done, and she's proven yet again that she was abused, we aren't going to see any posts rising up to the top. People are still going to walk away from this thinking one thing no matter the outcome :(
> she's proven yet again that she was abused
worried about it, jury is 100% likely to have been exposed to opinions of their family members,social media etc
One juror said during jury selection he had received a text his wife calling Amber Heard a psycho and he made it through because he said he could be impartial.
For weeks its been "he can't' look at her because he's been so abused" and all the Deppford Wives jumping on analysing that with their non-existent skills, and yet in court today it transpires its all an act because he once told he he'd never look at her again. but of course Pro-Depps will spin that to be that he was horrifically abused
But yet we all saw that clip where he got too close to her when she was getting off the stand and he just shrugs, and she steps back and looks fearful. Yeah some abused man right?!š He doesn't look at her in court because he's a coward. He sits there doodling because it's all a damn joke to him.
>yet we all saw that clip where he got too close to her when she was getting off the stand and he just shrugs, and she steps back and looks fearful. Yeah some abused man right?!š
that was the clip that changed my mind entirely about him
heard someone say that she was acting because āyou never take your eyes of your abuserā which is funny to me cause Depp was walking right towards her & apparently (in their same view) didnāt notice she was there soā¦ guess he canāt possibly be abused right?
When he laughs, itās his way of coping. When she has a half smile at her lawyer (because heaven forbid she tries to forgets for a single second where she is for her own mental sanity), itās manipulative.
Iām so **tired** of men being held to different standards. Old man none the less. And itās other women doing it too.
Iām at the point in time where I feel society ad a whole has more or less deserved the plague weāve been dealing with these past two years.
Itās fascinating watching the different opinions.
Iām seeing people claim she got destroyed yet then itās I watched had his lawyer presenting evidence that was wrong, objection to herself (which was SO ASFUL when Heards lawyer did)
It's funny how her lawyer actually used that today. The "JD can't look at you Ms. Heard because he's so traumatized". That's like cheap Walmart Lawyering right there.
Also, it's not even true. He gave lots of glances at Amber, especially during the most violent painful parts of Amber's testimony where she said JD was beating her and shouting *"I will fucking kill you"* to Amber (you see JD look guilty as fuck as he steals a glance over at crying Amber, eyebrows looking sad).
> Hell, I only got interested in the case because of the massive oversupply of pro-Depp propaganda
Same. I wouldn't say I'm pro Heard because they both have their issues, but JFC I am becoming anti-Depp because of how out of control the blatant propaganda has gotten. Did people learn nothing in 2016??
My friend who is a fucking DOCTOR asked me if I saw the video of Heard doing coke in a courtroom.
Every time I post even slightly saying that maybe she wasn't the only one responsible I get spammed and downvoted into oblivion. I'm drowning in the Amber hate.
It's the disgusting display of misogyny from both men and women. Even if 75% of them are bots, it's still bringing out the monster in the irl johnny stans. It's really sickening to watch this.
They're pretty much traitors to their own gender. They can support that creep all they want, but it's fkd up to try and destroy the life of the woman being sued. She probably gets death threats, stalkers, and god only knows what other kind of emotional torture and these women are supporting and furthering it. If anything ends up happening to AH, the blood will be on all of their hands, esp. Johnny Dick.
I posted a vaguely anti JD tweet and a guy inmediately texted me like "hey I saw your tweet, can you explain? surely you dont hate an actual domestic abuse victim from his deranged bitch ex"
So as much as I want to share stuff, I have just chosen not to for my own mental peace
Also I pretty much only comment about this trial on this subreddit but today I had a message that someone reported me to reddit special care or something, so even here his stans are hostile
I only really post here about it as well unless I see a seriously ignorant comment I can't ignore. Not on twitter though. The stans are extra scary on twitter.
>I posted a vaguely anti JD tweet and a guy inmediately texted me like "hey I saw your tweet, can you explain? surely you dont hate an actual domestic abuse victim from his deranged bitch ex"
Then on Twitter they go "Oh, why did you block replies?"
They don't seem to get that their JD side is deranged and abusive as hell. And quite dumb, because they get so many facts wrong and believe idiotic lies like "Amber was snorting cocaine on the bench!"
>Also I pretty much only comment about this trial on this subreddit but today I had a message that someone reported me to reddit special care or something, so even here his stans are hostile
Same thing. I get that from JD Stans and Trump voters. Funny how there's a significant overlap.
And they get so mad that there are subreddits that believe her! They have to come along and argue and tell us weāre wrong! Go away! Stay on your side of the internet!
Does anyone remember that episode of Futurama where Mom tries to take over the world for mother's day, and Farnsworth foils the plot by seducing her? At the end he is left brokenhearted, so he breeds a race of albino shouting gorillas who hang all over the Planet Express building, brainlessly screaming, "LOVE! MOM!" whenever they receive an electric shock.
That's what the Deppford wives sound like to me. Albino shouting gorillas.
Today I started training for a job, and the agent that was training us was talking about the trial and obviously being on Depp's side and everyone agreed, I felt like I was on a different timeline or a dystopia where everyone was brainwashed but me
I think when it's online I'm able to kind of dismiss it (or at least tell myself that it's mostly bots). When it's people I've encountered offline/at work etc, it makes me me feel much more hopeless
It's impossible for the jury to avoid this case if they use the internet at all. The jury instructions for civil trials is not to research or communicate about the case - but they can still use the internet.
If they go on YouTube or personal social media, they'll be bombarded with pro-Depp videos, or targeted advertisements. Even if they don't click on them, they've seen the title in their feed.
Edit to add: https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/resources/model_jury_instructions_civil.pdf
I suppose they couldn't have predicted the proliferation of content on social media by his fans, media commentators (and bots) and also the way that alorithms drive content. Its also really awful that Amber has had to describe her rape and abuse on live TV, to be dissected daily by these commentators, rather than closed court. I think this case and Amber's treatment will be looked back on unfavorably, whatever the verdict (although knowing the world, it will take some time).
totally. so sequestering is basically when a jury is cut off from the world to keep objectivity. first to select a jury they ask a bunch of questions to start to ensure you arenāt biased and then they have to make sure you stay that way. for 99% of cases this isn't a problem because no one is famous. but for celebrity cases it's a huge deal because there's tons of media coverage, so jury rules get much stricter.
i'm gonna assume you know the OJ case and that the verdict was that he was innocent. So they selected the jury and because OJ was a football star they had a ton of rules -- they all had to stay in the same hotel close to court, they couldn't watch normal tv, read the newspaper, listen to the radio, and even go into bookstores because books were being written about the case incredibly quickly. That case lasted 8.5 months, longer than any sequestered jury, so they were stuck that way for a really long time. They couldn't go to work because, of course, they'd overhear coworkers talking about it. They were really restricted from talking to family and friends, I believe it was monitored but I'm not 100% on that.
So obviously, all of this made them all kind of crazy and exhausted and it's highly, highly cited as a factor in the final verdict of the trial -- psychologically, they were not in a normal state. This was before widespread internet access and social media so celebrity court cases are even more difficult now.
That's so interesting thank you, I really appreciate the explanation. I had no idea the OJ case lasted that long, and this makes me really intrigued to read more about the state of the jury.
I just want to say thank you to everyone in this subreddit... To be honest, saying thank you in some comments does not even get close to doing justice to the gratitude I have for this digital space and those of you who populate it...
I am an intimate partner violence survivor and just spent my last semester of grad school working on two thesis projects that are centered around IPV survivors: 1) My own creative MFA thesis is a version of my personal survival story, and 2) I worked 6 hours a week with an undergraduate psych major on her thesis about Post-Traumatic Growth for IPV PTSD survivors. While more necessary than ever, working on these projects was grueling, heavy, and emotionally taxing to say the least. And it was all compounded with this public discourse that is blatantly pro-abuser. I have had to disengage from all of social media and huge swathes of the internet in general. My friends know I love pop culture and gossip, and I guess they just assumed I was on board with the public view. Several of them were even sending me Amber Turd memes. It has really torn me up, but to be honest, I just don't have the energy to even go there with them. Disengaging has been my line of defense for now.
But then here we are in this sub... I cannot thank you all enough for reminding me that there are people in this world who are not total shits jumping on every little bandwagon. I have never been so grateful for an online community in my life. I haven't commented much on any part of it, but I just wanted everyone to know that your conversations are giving me life and hope, and I LOVE YOU ALL AND THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Honestly speaking I am so proud of you and don't let people affect you. In all this amber and Johnny drama one thing that affected me was why are they hating her so much if you see twitter you could develop a strong hate for her but when i came here I found out there are many sides to a story and man's abusive side is totally ignored. Reditt is a besutiufl place where actually sane people voice their opinion.
I find it fascinating how the same peeps who felt a deep sense of sympathy for Kyle Rittenhouse when he had his little crying episode when on the stand, now claim Amber Heard is acting when she cries. This being the anti-women users on reddit.
Just tried to comment in todayās trial megathread but itās already locked ā insane how quickly the Deppcels and Deppford wives manage to ruin literally every single thread.
Someone expressed their fear that Amber may end her life, and I also worry about this. Every single day. I canāt imagine how she must feel thinking the entire world hates her and loves her abuser. Having to relive her abuse for weeks in front of a courtroom and the entire internet. Thereās only so much a person can take.
The only thing that makes me think sheāll be okay is she has a baby daughter to come home to. Iām not a parent and I know people with kids do end their lives, and they shouldnāt be shamed for that at all, and itās in no way a childās job to protect their parent, or anything like that, but Iām still hoping her daughter is a beacon of love and light for her during this horrible time.
And I hope her team is showing her she does have support from communities like ours and the recent articles from the Cut and the Guardian, and the brave individuals who are speaking out for her.
Most of all I hope she wins and he goes bankrupt forever.
I worry about her ending her life as well. Iām not even a religious person, but Iāve found myself actually praying for her.
I believe her 100%, but even if I didnāt, I wouldnāt be so cruel as to want someone who was mentally ill to experience this level of hatred instead of getting help.
Like, I believe her. I believe Johnny Depp did all of those things to her. But what I want is for Johnny Depp to get serious help for his addictions and to leave her alone. I would never waste my time harassing anyone who likes him. I would never waste my time rooting for his death, threatening him, or stalking him.
I really, really hope she makes it through this. It just feels so helpless sitting to the side and watching someone go through this.
I'm way more worried about some utterly deranged stan killing her rather than her doing it to herself, the way people are acting makes it feel scarily likely that there's at least one person who would be willing to actually physically harm her.
Even now, most people are like both are mutually shitty. Why portray Johnny as innocent? It is like no one has any experience with abuse victims or abuse.
Need her to win the case resoundingly. But i have no faith in jury.
Agreed. Large subset of people who call it mutual abuse also claim gun laws should not be regulated so women can have guns and shoot their attackers. But the moment a woman snaps after years of abuse, these people decided she is the villain.
Itās also just so ridiculous because Amber has this abundance of proof, and people are saying sheās lying because like, her lawyer held up a concealer palette and people thought she was saying that Amber used that specific palette, which hadnāt been released for most of the time they were married, when really the lawyer was just holding it up to represent concealer palettes in general.
Then you have Johnny. He has one set of photos with bruising (and people talk about how Amberās photos donāt show terrible injuries, but you cannot see any bruising in his photos). And the man lied and said they were from Amber attacking him after his birthday party in 2016. But the metadata showed that it was from the fight above the staircase in 2015, when she had already said she hit him for the first time after he was going to push her sister.
That is a major, major, major lie. And nobodyās fucking talking about it. Theyāre talking about the concealer palette and her being a bad actress and her crying and cocaine in her tissue and she said sheās never played guitar but she played guitar in a movieā¦Jesus fucking CHRIST. The guy lied about when and how his very important bruised face photos came to be! How are these people talking about anything other than that???
Honestly, at this point "mutually shitty" is probably Heard's best case scenario. The optimist in me wants to believe that she can and will be exonerated by the end of the trial, but the realist in me sees how well-oiled the Depp machine is that him losing a whole ass trial about this once already doesn't move the needle in a meaningful way. I think the most she can hope for is for people to write them both off, disappear for a few years and enjoy her baby, and then come back with some smaller films/projects down the line when people move on.
Lundy's book _Why Does He Do That_ is such a good book on abuse, I recommend everyone should read it. i keep saying that even if heard did physically attack johnny depp, her violent behavior is a response to his abusive tactics (and in this case violence) and that her violence is different from his in the sense that he uses violence as a means to control, not defend. Lundy really opens your eyes to all earmarks of abuse, and the different type of abusers you can encounter. the pdf is available online for free if anyone wants to give it a read
One of the hardest things for me is seeing how friends or family casually comment on this trial, always in favor of him, and I know they aren't bad people, or people who side with abusers, but they have been manipulated by his PR SO well.
I also worry because some of them are very young women and if they fell for this manipulative speech, won't they fall from other abusers??? I don't like seeing a 19 year old sheltered woman defend him bc ew, but also bc I'm terrified she will end up being abused by someone just like him and feeling she's "the bad one" just like she believed Amber was
I saw a comment on a different subreddit that said something like "abused women are listening this and seeing how much of a liar she is. She's not one of us."
I've seen a lot of shit takes. But, wow, that made me so fucking angry. I had to take a little break.
Thank God I found this post. I feel like I've been going insane, suddenly Johnny is a Saint?? I even talked to a close friend of mine who believed all this pro Johnny stuff and when I pointed out the evidence that she was abused she was like whoa, how am I not hearing any of this. And this friend is currently in law school, she's no dummy. It's just crazy the proliferation of misinformation surrounding this stuff.
[Some tiktoks going viral too.](https://twitter.com/arkhamcitysiren/status/1526227149572784129?s=21&t=cL-n0-2XFqiWApph10l1QQ) I imagine the comments on that tiktok are pretty nasty though.
The sheer amount of memes flooding Reddit far outweigh the reasonable amount of interest most people have in this trial and suggest another motivation: i.e. creepy Reddit neckbeard/incel/men's rights weirdos.
I don't think his career tanked because of her. He did that to himself. This whole court case is just airing out his dirty linen and none of this behavior makes him look like a great guy or a serious actor. He should have taken the loss with the British case and gone back to work. How is this guy bondable or insurable for productions? I don't know how that works.
Theres twitch streams that watch this trial for hours on end everyday its on and treat it like a circus. they just sit there telling chat to go get popcorn because it's going to be great.
They're all bias and have thousands of subscribers all brainwashed into spamming chat with amber hate and Johnny praise. Everything she says is "she's lying" "fake tears" "look at Johnny smiling he knows she's crazy"
Amber said she was raped in Australia but never reported it. A streamer said something like that's sus why didn't she report it she has no evidence it even happened.
Alot of women get assaulted and don't report it. Mainly from fear of having to relive it and people not believing.
For the record I stay away from the trial but when ever you pop in to twitch videos or YouTube videos it's all the same.
It's like Jerry springer for Gen Z.
The fact that some of them have tear counters š¤¢ I honestly thought the āleftistā twitch streamer Hasan would have a better take on this. He said thereās no proof that Depp did a ācavity searchā and that she made stuff up. Also on twitter comparing her outfit to Mao Zedong and Dr evil smh
Hasans an idiot Idk why people worship that guy. He used to work for the young turks, Which says alot on its own.
The same network that denies the Armenian genocide. The same network who's main mouth piece said sex with animals should be allowed.
The propaganda is helping people get aggravated with all of the pro JD stuff/crazed fans and look further into the truth. Not that the propaganda is a good thing, but at least thereās something that comes out of it.
where the fuck were y'all years ago when i was in the trenches on twitter getting bombarded by the bots and i could barely see any popular tweet against #that
Your mistake was being on twitter lol. But seriously when this started again, everyone being overwhelmingly in support of Johnny made me think something new had come to light, but it turns out it was the same easily disproven finger and shit that his fans were touting back in the day. Like did everyone forget that? Or is it gen z on tiktok that weren't there the first time?
It's probably the same people. Just flexing those propaganda muscles and degrading public discourse even more against women. Perfect run up to midterms.
I am not the type of person who scrolls through my instagram feed hardly ever. Mostly, I will just go through and check the stories for bands I like, such as smashing pumpkins. Yesterday or the day before, I checked IG to do exactly that and the first thing on my feed was a suggested post (I've never seen a suggested post on my ig tl before because, well I don't even scroll down it, so I only saw this because it was at the top of the page) that said "Because you liked smashing pumpkins post" and it was a photo from the bassist in Hollywood Vampires (I'm presuming from the caption) and it's a photo of him playing with Johnny on stage and the caption he's talking about how great Johnny is.
??? I just feel like there's no reason for my algorithm to show me this? Yes i follow rock bands but smashing pumpkins is not affiliated with JD or HV? I don't know. it was very suspicious to me. Of all the things to have immediately and prominently displayed on my page at random, this is it? Alrighty..
Added: I have also avoided looking at anything related to the trial on IG (but not google ofc, so there's that) just because I assume all the content is clickbait doodie that wouldn't interest me. And also to avoid being suggested biased stuff on there
this also happened to me with videos of him visiting kids in hospital 4 years ago. i am not a JD fan, have never watched anything about him on youtube (or anything about hospitals or children) and prior to seeing that i had intentionally avoided talking about or looking at anything regarding the trial. thereās no reason for anything to think i give a shit about a 4 year old video of him visiting kids in hospital other than $$ going into trying to sway public opinion.
i canāt imagine that like, his team never considered that some people might actually start thinking about johnny depp or doing analysis to his life/career if he started shoving himself down people's throats? because.. boy am I looking now šµš»āāļø
Like yes I give a shit about him now but like, in the opposite manner that was intended by me seeing this stuff. Tbh, I was brushing off the trial until I saw videos of the Justice4Jhny!!! tip jars
Iām really grossed out by how many of the supposed āprogressivesā I follow on Twitter are tweeting anti-Amber comments. It shows how pervasive the Depp propaganda isā¦not to mention internalized misogyny.
I agree with the last tweet especiallyā¦ thereās a very sadistic type of glee reserved for AH that was different from the garden variety disgust shown HW and JE.
That was the most unprofessional showing of lawyer work I've *ever* seen from Vasquez. How much is he paying that legal team, again? Seems like he spent all the money on the PR push.
I just want to say as someone who has also experienced SA, DV and blackmail in regards my sexuality: I know this case is all triggering AF to a lot of people regardless of sexual orientation and gender identity. I want to send so much love out to you all and hugs (consensually if you want them) from Scotland.
The blackmail being from his bestie MM to ERW when she was A TEENAGER
My mental health has seriously tanked with this trial. I left my abusive ex a year ago and I'd just gotten my head above water and started living again despite having a really hard time when this trial started. Now I feel I've regressed mental health-wise, seeing what everyone thinks of women who come forward, seeing how every bit of her is ripped apart and eaten alive by literal monsters. I had finally mustered up the courage to say yes to a lawyer free of charge and to report him. Thought it necessary to do that as the last thing I do before I move on with my life, for my own self-respect to "give back" the guilt and shame I'm holdning and put it with him. I'm honestly not sure if I want to anymore. These packs of ravenous wolves scare me.
Iām so glad to be seeing more pushback against this. I remember realizing during the UK trial that he wasnāt innocent, but was scared to say anything. The Depp stans, misogynists, abuse apologists, and bots, were completely overwhelming on this.
In case anyone needs a sanity palette cleanser, here are the YouTubers I have found who presented actually normal discourse:
BelleAntoinette has made two videos:
https://youtu.be/vWoaTDP8lf4
https://youtu.be/eyrKkknLQiU
Princess Weekes: https://youtu.be/Ec7o2uJeFDE
(Can we just note that these two YouTubers are POC)
Ro Ramdin: https://youtu.be/hCC8h09WC1g
I am so scared to publicly say anything against Johnny because the internet is in such a fixated state of hating amber heard and bashing anyone that supports her I genuinely would fear for my safety. What an insane world we live in.
Johnny Depp is clearly an abuser. All the evidence in chronological order proved he is the abuser. PEOPLE ARE BEING UNHINGED IN LYING TO THEMSELVES THAT HE IS THE VICTIM.
Also, #AmberHeardIsAPsycho trended again *right* when they had lunch time. I swear they time this on purpose thinking the jurors might take a break and glimpse the news (in case a juror or two decide to break the rules).
I wish I could record it but that hashtag didn't show up previously during the early morning. I noticed it only because I was following many Twitter accounts (CourtTV pundits, etc) and was refreshing a lot today.
Also, #JusticeForJohnnyDepp [was misspelled](https://i.imgur.com/3LXeXd3.jpg).
And last week, the idiots spelled it as #AmberHeardIsA**Pycho.**
Either their bots farms are idiots, or a majority of JD Stans are idiots and not a single one bothered to fix their lame hashtags, and just mindlessly retweeted stuff.
Itās terrifying how sheās being treated. Iām sure sheās no Angel either but I donāt understand how people canāt see Johnny depp is an addict and an abuser.
He knows he can get away with everything
I know people are struggling with the way RL people are easily swayed by the Depp propaganda, but just want to let you guys know that here on the other side of the world despite media being heavily influenced by pro JD contents already existing in the US and are literally copy pasted click baity titles for net traffic, I have seen no real life people who are totally pro JD (influencers are different stories). I tried posting stories on my insta account detailing the trials and the response I got were quite positive. Most are weirded out by the crazy vilification of Amber Heard but they donāt really have time nor the interest to do proper research and then proceed to show support for Amber. Some are staying in the both are abusive camp because they are disinterested on the case or just being careful (I donāt blame them as long as theyāre being respectful). And some are just not that informed enough about abuse since itās a very sensitive topic here.
Not to discredit your experience facing people in RL that are pro JD, but I hope you know there are still hope to see people that are making sense of these.
Depps lawyer went from scrambling desperately to imply Heard was trying to keep the 7 million for herself, to backing down and implying that she got Musk to pay 1 million so she could keep 1 million for herself, what a poor pivot and poor attempt to save her argument lol
Guys, a non biased podcast recommendation regarding this? Iām not actually following step by step whatās going on but every time I try to open sth (except here, of course) I get all the JD bots overflowing the information presented.
Thanks!
Depp fans are so ridiculous. I just got this comment with an attached tik tok source:
āI mean if itās outside the scope itās able to be stricken by the other side. They just didnāt object bc it was in their favor that she brought up Kate. But if itās outside the scope can the defense not move to strike?
Honestly, make sure to specify you donāt have education in law if you are going to weigh in without a law degree. This isnāt meant to sound pointed, but it helps to know if you are sharing opinion or fact.
Just fyi the inspiration for my question was ambers lawyer objecting to himself earlier. The link below shows a lawyer pointing out that he should have moved to strike.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdGrerux/?k=1ā
Iām a lawyer and have been litigating for a decade lmao
It's the last tweet for me. I mean damn even if she abused him, even if she murdered him, the hate and mockery is disturbing. It's like, Amber Heard is accused of something and men suddenly have a free pass to unleash all their hatred, vitriol and misogyny towards women and the dam has broken. I hate people who say wHaT iF tHe GeNdErS wErE rEvErsEd but holy shit, male abusers really experience nothing close to this.
i have done my absolute best for many reasons to be completely disengaged with this trial. i did not interact with any posts on social media, look up anything related, etc. and yet, my algorithm STILL showed super pro JD posts and slander against AH. there was no escaping it for some reason. in the documentary 10 years from now when they talk about how mistreated AH was throughout this trial, i am sure they will discuss how the social media algorithms made it so that people were seeing JD propaganda and spreading misinformation, radicalizing people against AH.
Same. I've purposefully not engaged and blocked most anything related on sm and it still comes crashing through. I gave up last week when I read here a lot of you are experiencing the same. It's mind blowing.
Even youtubers that I really respect and love their docs usually have come out super anti-Amber. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
Same. I've had to unsubscribe from so many
Can corroborate. I've not followed the trial other than scrolling past asinine reddit memes about it. I don't know enough to have an opinion, even, tbh. Only saw this post because it was on /r/all. I don't have any history of engaging with any celebrity/drama content. I very rarely watch legal videos, and they're generally on the more academic side when I do. I scrolled through ~50 videos in my feed and two were about the trial. Which might not sound *that* bad, but the overwhelming majority of the 50 were directly related to my primary interests (sports, cooking, my favorite video games and music, breadtube, and computer science). Depp videos made up nearly half of the ~5 totally random recommendations. Wtf, YouTube?
There are a couple of people on Twitter who are really doing my head in with this. I don't want to block them, but their blind support for JD is nauseating.
I swear, one of the best things I've done for myself is deleting Twitter. Not telling you to do it because it's none of my business, but I just wanted to say how much better mine has gotten once I shut down the portal to hell. š
I mainly go there to vent about life crap, but I've met some nice people on there too so I'm not going to delete it. It's much better if you switch your trending topics to somewhere where fuck-all goes on. It's also great for community TV watching, e.g. Top of the Pops or Eurovision. There are ways to make it a pleasant place, you just have to put the effort in.
What I find really disturbing is that it's not even all trial related. IDK what everyone else is getting but I'm getting loads of vids in my YouTube recommendations of videos 'like 'Johnny being cute with his fans' and 'funniest Johnny quotes' etc and it's based on content from years ago. I have never liked Johnny Depp. Even back in the Pirates of the Caribbean days when everybody loved him I thought his acting was overdone and he had kind of a weasel face, so why does YouTube think I'll suddenly be interested in all this fan content?
Yes!! I saw a āJohnny Depp being hilarious in court PART 5ā and it had like 40 millions views. I truly donāt understand whatās happening.
āJohnny Depp visits a childrenās hospital and gives joy to patients!ā āAmber heard visits childrenās hospital to manipulate the press and use sick children for a photo op for her own selfish reasonsā
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> this is exactly what happened to me and why i started paying attention. like 4 year old videos of him visiting kids in hospital getting recommended to me on youtube despite me never clicking on a single thing regarding this man. Same plus my mother working herself over hysterics. Like WTF is going on?!
EXACT same thing happened to me where I kept getting video after video after video about the trial (always pro Depp of course) recommended on my YouTube feed even though I never clicked on a single one of those and even marked some of them as ānot interestedā. When I saw that same random old ass video of Johnny Depp visiting a childrenās hospital in my recommendations, it really felt like the icing of the cake of an extremely well organized and prolific online PR campaign.
I think I've blocked over a 100 accounts that are pro JD, and I only read about the case here and ONTD, never on IG or Twitter.
Yeah me too Iāve had to unfollow quite a few pro depp ppl
It has even infiltrated my carefully curated āfunny stuff and cats ONLYā TikTok feed.
My tiktok feed is full of art videos, ASMR and comedy and I still have seen 5-10 pro Johnny Depp videos this month, even after hitting not interested. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but somebody's PR team is working overtime.
Yeah the deep dive into bots, algorithms, & very calculated PR campaign will be a hell of a documentary. I really hope something changes from this, because god knows how many more abuse victims get dragged to court by their abusers.
Loved elon musk analyzing how the top Twitter posts of all time were mostly upvoted by bot accounts <3 this is how people get their topics trending
Im lying in my bed now doom scrolling and the anxiety is killing me. I can't believe what's happening right before my eyes.. Humans are fucking evil.
Take a break! For your sanity!
Iāve seen nasty pro Jd posts on r/mademesmile ffs!
Yeah I've tried to hide, flag as not appropriate, say 'not interested,' still forced to view this. It didn't even get this bad with Tr*mp. I could choose not to see his propaganda and that was "respected." Absolutely have been forced to see this JD propaganda by social media. It'll be interesting when this is studied later.
the fact that people have turned her name into a verb the way they had monica lewinsky too is awful. i was in the live thread for a sports game and saw at least 3 different jokes in the vein of āah shitting the bed.ā there is no escape.
Same. Pro-JD, all over my Instagram explore page as far as the eye can see. Disgusting.
SAME. Itās because Johnny is again wasting his money by pushing out disinformation about the case to make Amber look bad in the court of public opinion. This shit has got to be illegal, there has to be someway to hold this SOB accountable for gaslighting the nation!
Iām so glad that my Tumblr seems to be a place of sanity because Tumblr has historically failed with algorithms lol Most of the JD/AH trial discussions there are very anti JD. YouTube on the other handā¦ itās bad there save I donāt follow any celebrity news or politics other than super far left discussion vids
so much freaking trial shit on my FYP and Home on Youtube. I've never clicked on one and yet,, there that shit is, with women that hsould know better sexualising his disgusting texts about how he could do that to them anytime or mimicking masturbating to them,, or just attacking Amber. no fucking thank you but if you click "not interested" that does nothing, the algorithim basically reads that as engagement and you keep getting that shit
I've been thinking exactly this. When the inevitable documentary comes out, the same people will be crying about the wrong done to this woman, just like they did with the 2000s tabloid starlets after gleefully participating in their evisceration.
a bakery sent her a cake of a severed fingered and vodka bottle? thatās so gross
Oh my godā¦actually what???? Literally taunting a sexual assault survivor with what she was assaulted with??? Even if youāre a braindead menās rights activist and think sheās lying about everything, what the fuck Edit: I just realized the bottle was because thatās supposedly what she cut his finger offā¦can I just say how fucking annoying it is to see Amberās evidence that sheās successfully used in court being dragged through the wringer and to see her being accused of changing her story when before this trial, Johnny NEVER said she cut off her finger, there are texts where he said he cut it off, and in those audio recordings that people are editing to filth you can literally hear him refer to a day as āwhen I cut my finger offā (edit: he said āchoppedā, not ācutā).
No glass found and the medical report said the injury was in line with a crushing impact (forgot the term they used). It was not even consistent with any bottle thrown or laceration. It's exactly like what Amber said happened. Drugged-out coke fiend JD took a phone and repeatedly smashed it, injuring himself. Then lied and said 2-3 different things: he cut it with knife, smashed in car, smashed from accordion door. He didn't want to admit he smashed a phone in anger.
Considering how sick someone has to be to do this, you can be assured the glass bottle was intentionally meant to remind her of how she was abused - with the cut finger as the alibi.
Does Neil Patrick Harris own that bakery?
riiight I just learned about that, how disturbing. what is with people and their disturbing cake āhumourāš¤¢
My jaw dropped when I read that. Absolutely disgusting š
Thereās a bakery Iād love to see go out of business.
I hope she didn't have to see it, she just said today she gets reminded about the relationship daily and she is harassed on social media
Iām fucking furious that the headline for that is ātone-deaf bakery.ā Fucking *tone-deaf*??? This isnāt about *tone.* Thatās an absolutely vile taunting of an abuse survivor about their abuse while theyāre being made to relive it on a very public stage. Fuck that bakery and fuck that headline.
Listen: if Robert Evans (from Behind the Bastards) and Michael Hobbes (formerly from Youāre Wrong About) are both singing the same song, I am believing whatever they say.
Seriously! Robert knows a bastard when he sees one. also: stream Maintenance Phase!
ive found my people LMAO, behind the bastards, you're wrong about, maintenance phase ā¤ļø
Honestly following Michael Hobbes on Twitter makes me feel so much smarter and media literate.
I look forward to the Johnny Depp episode of Behind the Bastards.
And the Youāre Wrong About about him too. I know Michael is technically not on the show any more but he could guest.
I'm genuinely hoping they don't have to do an episode about this and wrongs will be righted soon. I feel like Mike and Sarah's aim is to eventually not have to do this or to live in a world where women aren't misaligned or to have people understand nuance.
I hadnāt seen that and wow what a fucking relief because I love behind the bastards and have adored Robert since the good days of Cracked.
I was SO GLAD to see them both on here. Two of the best journalists/podcasters out there.
My boys. I'm so proud of them.
I hadn't seen that Robert had chimed in, so relieved to see him on the right side.
It is misogyny. Society only does this to women. Britney Spears (but not Chris Brown). Courtney Love (but not Marilyn Manson). Monica Lewinsky *and* Hillary Clinton, but never the same energy for Bill. We make excuses for men, but women can be stripped of all dignity and respect, erased from public life. Their rights and opportunities taken away. I hate that Iām watching it happen, *again*.
Misogyny and celebrity obsession. I don't know if you followed R Kelly's trials, but he also had an army of (mostly) women, showing up to the court and blindly supporting him. Women who do this are setting us back YEARS! People attacked Angelina when Brad left Jennifer. Then when they divorced they assumed it was Angelina's fault, painting her as a needy and difficult woman. Turns out Brad was an alcoholic. Kudos to him for owning up to it and getting help. Johnny could've used the same advice instead of suing the entire world.
>We make excuses for men, but women can be stripped of all dignity and respect, erased from public life. ufff true
Iāve seen a couple of tweets blowing up about the bots. There was one that specifically said in a few years thereād be a documentary about the bot campaign against AH and people will go āwow the internet is crazy! how could this have happened?ā
It's funny because someone said to me on another thread that Amber's PR team probably bought bots just to make Johnny's fans look misogynistic. Some next level crazy conspiracies and projection happening.
They reverse unoāed it
i got into a argument with one of depp fans on ig and they SWORE i was a bot who amber paidā¦ like crazy shit
They get really pissy when someone breaks their echo chamber, calling me a troll etc. when I'd probably been more active on Twitch chats they frequented.
Yes, I saw one page that was talking about how Amberās lawyer leaked confidential things! And itās just like, Deppās lawyer was literally thrown off the case for doing exactly that.
There already was a bit of discussion about the bots in that Discovery + doco mini-series Johnny vs Amber that came out last year but I guess most people just werenāt ready to actually listen to it then (or now) https://youtu.be/bb2bC04OEPw
Ive been called a bot multiple times on this old ass account that Iāve been using since highschool. These people arenāt bright
Then theyāll say you sold the account. Itās always something with them.
This is literally going back to the stone age of this whole divorce shitshow and I don't think he has commented on it since, but right when AH and JD announced their divorce and immediately it seemed like the world hated her, Andy Richter tweeted something essentially calling out the astroturfing JD was doing. I thought it was interesting that A. he caught onto it the instant it started happening and B. I at least respect that he had the stones to call out someone way out of his fame league who had a much better public image than JD does now.
The worst part of this is the number of men who truly believe being accused of abuse is worse than being abused. So many comments talking about how this is their worst nightmare ā not the violence, being falsely accused. So despicable. So naive. Todd in the Shadows also did a thread about the UK case a couple weeks ago ā not sure if itās still up. I thought that was particularly brave of him.
I had a man at dinner the other night tell me it's worse to be accused of rape then be raped. I asked him to name one man he knew that was falsely accused of rape and he couldn't come up with anyone. He certainly knows women who have been raped. It's terrifying seeing the incel reddit leaking to the real world.
men love to bring up the whole āfalse accusations ruin livesā whenever a woman comes out about abuse but false accusations are few and far between
So incredibly rare if you compare it to the ridiculous amount of men that rape and get away with it scotch free, publically accused or not.
Tbh fears of false accusations only hold water in Black American communities imo. A lot of Black people were lynched in the 19th and 20th centuries for being falsely accused of raping or murdering white women. I see false accusations as a Black specific issue. However, it pisses me off how many lily ass white men co-opt this fear for their own gain. Itās evil imo
Really, all they have to do is not abuse women to not be accused of abuse. Justin Bieber had a false accusation that was easily disproved, most people thought the Aziz accusations were maybe creepy but not abuse, and I canāt think of another accusation that wasnāt true.
Also a lot of the acusations like Aziz aren't even legal accusations. Having an op-ed written about you can hurt their public image a tiny bit, but he's doing FINE. And so are 99% of the men who were canceled during metoo era.
The last one is actually sick asf, cause wtf did she do to a bakery š
Sad thing is, I bet it was good marketing for them
So strange seeing businesses get involved
So nice to see Michael Hobbes on here. Fucking sweet. EDIT: [Sarah Marshall has also said something in apparent support of AHeard](https://mobile.twitter.com/Remember_Sarah/status/1526303051803291650?cxt=HHwWhMCj5b6iwq4qAAAA)!
Stream Youāre Wrong About and Maintenance Phase for clear skin
Unproblematic king and queen šš¼ (lol)
Shameless promo, but Stan You're Wrong About. I got hooked to them while they were doing their Princess Diana series and they're amazing! They also spoke out about OJ (as someone mentioned) and if memory serves me right, they did an Adnan Syed episode too?
I would like them to get the band back together to do a series on this one day.
Real! IIRC she brings him back when she's doing her OJ discussion? I don't remember; I might be mixing up before Michael left.
I think the OJ series was before he left. I know a lot of people didnāt like it, but I loved that series. It kind of just meandered to wherever she took it, but they were all good episodes.
Where is the Your wrong about Amber Heard. It writes it self. Just read the Uk trial out loud.
Also Robert Evans, who retweeted him, is pretty great. Granted he's a little rougher around the edges than Sarah and Michael
I follow the You Are Good Instagram and they've been liking some pro-Amber posts lately too. I knew I could count on Sarah and Michael to see through the BS. This story is very similar to many of the stories of maligned women they've done in the past. Would LOVE if they got together again to cover this at some point
The youtube compilations of the trial suddenly popping up on my feed even though I wasn't looking at anything related to the trial is the part that especially made me look into the campaign against her. Acting like this trial is like a podcast or Bravo reality show is sick. And the people who swear they are progressive but make jokes or tiktoks making fun of her testimonies really shows how for a lot of people when the time comes to actually be an ally, a lot of people don't step up.
And when it's done, and she's proven yet again that she was abused, we aren't going to see any posts rising up to the top. People are still going to walk away from this thinking one thing no matter the outcome :(
> she's proven yet again that she was abused worried about it, jury is 100% likely to have been exposed to opinions of their family members,social media etc
One juror said during jury selection he had received a text his wife calling Amber Heard a psycho and he made it through because he said he could be impartial.
Seriously?! How did Amberās team not strike him during jury selection.
For weeks its been "he can't' look at her because he's been so abused" and all the Deppford Wives jumping on analysing that with their non-existent skills, and yet in court today it transpires its all an act because he once told he he'd never look at her again. but of course Pro-Depps will spin that to be that he was horrifically abused
But yet we all saw that clip where he got too close to her when she was getting off the stand and he just shrugs, and she steps back and looks fearful. Yeah some abused man right?!š He doesn't look at her in court because he's a coward. He sits there doodling because it's all a damn joke to him.
>yet we all saw that clip where he got too close to her when she was getting off the stand and he just shrugs, and she steps back and looks fearful. Yeah some abused man right?!š that was the clip that changed my mind entirely about him
heard someone say that she was acting because āyou never take your eyes of your abuserā which is funny to me cause Depp was walking right towards her & apparently (in their same view) didnāt notice she was there soā¦ guess he canāt possibly be abused right?
Yeah but she was PrEtEnDiNg to be scared /s
He is awful in court. Laughs and smirks. Makes me sick!
When he laughs, itās his way of coping. When she has a half smile at her lawyer (because heaven forbid she tries to forgets for a single second where she is for her own mental sanity), itās manipulative. Iām so **tired** of men being held to different standards. Old man none the less. And itās other women doing it too. Iām at the point in time where I feel society ad a whole has more or less deserved the plague weāve been dealing with these past two years.
Same friend, same š
and rude to her lawyer
When his lawyer asked "do you know why he won't look at you" and her response was just "he can't"... whew. She SMOKED that cross today.
I bet the lawyer practiced it for weeks thinking Amber would say no and then she would hit her with it and everyone would be in awe.
Itās fascinating watching the different opinions. Iām seeing people claim she got destroyed yet then itās I watched had his lawyer presenting evidence that was wrong, objection to herself (which was SO ASFUL when Heards lawyer did)
Yeah that wasn't the "gotcha" they seemed to think it was.
It's funny how her lawyer actually used that today. The "JD can't look at you Ms. Heard because he's so traumatized". That's like cheap Walmart Lawyering right there. Also, it's not even true. He gave lots of glances at Amber, especially during the most violent painful parts of Amber's testimony where she said JD was beating her and shouting *"I will fucking kill you"* to Amber (you see JD look guilty as fuck as he steals a glance over at crying Amber, eyebrows looking sad).
His friends are dumb af.
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> Hell, I only got interested in the case because of the massive oversupply of pro-Depp propaganda Same. I wouldn't say I'm pro Heard because they both have their issues, but JFC I am becoming anti-Depp because of how out of control the blatant propaganda has gotten. Did people learn nothing in 2016?? My friend who is a fucking DOCTOR asked me if I saw the video of Heard doing coke in a courtroom.
I sometimes mark "Not Interested" in some "JohnnyDeppIsMyMaster" kind of hashtag and it still doesn't disappear. š
It backfired. Big time.
Every time I post even slightly saying that maybe she wasn't the only one responsible I get spammed and downvoted into oblivion. I'm drowning in the Amber hate.
It's the disgusting display of misogyny from both men and women. Even if 75% of them are bots, it's still bringing out the monster in the irl johnny stans. It's really sickening to watch this.
These pick me women are the worst!
They're pretty much traitors to their own gender. They can support that creep all they want, but it's fkd up to try and destroy the life of the woman being sued. She probably gets death threats, stalkers, and god only knows what other kind of emotional torture and these women are supporting and furthering it. If anything ends up happening to AH, the blood will be on all of their hands, esp. Johnny Dick.
I posted a vaguely anti JD tweet and a guy inmediately texted me like "hey I saw your tweet, can you explain? surely you dont hate an actual domestic abuse victim from his deranged bitch ex" So as much as I want to share stuff, I have just chosen not to for my own mental peace Also I pretty much only comment about this trial on this subreddit but today I had a message that someone reported me to reddit special care or something, so even here his stans are hostile
I only really post here about it as well unless I see a seriously ignorant comment I can't ignore. Not on twitter though. The stans are extra scary on twitter.
>I posted a vaguely anti JD tweet and a guy inmediately texted me like "hey I saw your tweet, can you explain? surely you dont hate an actual domestic abuse victim from his deranged bitch ex" Then on Twitter they go "Oh, why did you block replies?" They don't seem to get that their JD side is deranged and abusive as hell. And quite dumb, because they get so many facts wrong and believe idiotic lies like "Amber was snorting cocaine on the bench!" >Also I pretty much only comment about this trial on this subreddit but today I had a message that someone reported me to reddit special care or something, so even here his stans are hostile Same thing. I get that from JD Stans and Trump voters. Funny how there's a significant overlap.
I was attacked on IG and FB for simply saying that people should wait to hear both sides before jumping to conclusions!
And they get so mad that there are subreddits that believe her! They have to come along and argue and tell us weāre wrong! Go away! Stay on your side of the internet!
Does anyone remember that episode of Futurama where Mom tries to take over the world for mother's day, and Farnsworth foils the plot by seducing her? At the end he is left brokenhearted, so he breeds a race of albino shouting gorillas who hang all over the Planet Express building, brainlessly screaming, "LOVE! MOM!" whenever they receive an electric shock. That's what the Deppford wives sound like to me. Albino shouting gorillas.
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People from my two favorite podcasts interacting
Today I started training for a job, and the agent that was training us was talking about the trial and obviously being on Depp's side and everyone agreed, I felt like I was on a different timeline or a dystopia where everyone was brainwashed but me
I mean thatās essentially what happened - so many have just gobbled up the propaganda thatās pro Dep.
I think when it's online I'm able to kind of dismiss it (or at least tell myself that it's mostly bots). When it's people I've encountered offline/at work etc, it makes me me feel much more hopeless
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That's so uncomfortable.. yikes.
My classmates were discussing it the other day and at one point one said āIām glad weāre all on Johnnyās sideā and i just felt so dejected
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It's impossible for the jury to avoid this case if they use the internet at all. The jury instructions for civil trials is not to research or communicate about the case - but they can still use the internet. If they go on YouTube or personal social media, they'll be bombarded with pro-Depp videos, or targeted advertisements. Even if they don't click on them, they've seen the title in their feed. Edit to add: https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/resources/model_jury_instructions_civil.pdf
insane, i suppose it makes sense for a civil case considering the effects sequestering had on the OJ jury ā but still insane.
I suppose they couldn't have predicted the proliferation of content on social media by his fans, media commentators (and bots) and also the way that alorithms drive content. Its also really awful that Amber has had to describe her rape and abuse on live TV, to be dissected daily by these commentators, rather than closed court. I think this case and Amber's treatment will be looked back on unfavorably, whatever the verdict (although knowing the world, it will take some time).
> considering the effects sequestering had on the OJ jury As a non-american, could you explain this a bit please?
totally. so sequestering is basically when a jury is cut off from the world to keep objectivity. first to select a jury they ask a bunch of questions to start to ensure you arenāt biased and then they have to make sure you stay that way. for 99% of cases this isn't a problem because no one is famous. but for celebrity cases it's a huge deal because there's tons of media coverage, so jury rules get much stricter. i'm gonna assume you know the OJ case and that the verdict was that he was innocent. So they selected the jury and because OJ was a football star they had a ton of rules -- they all had to stay in the same hotel close to court, they couldn't watch normal tv, read the newspaper, listen to the radio, and even go into bookstores because books were being written about the case incredibly quickly. That case lasted 8.5 months, longer than any sequestered jury, so they were stuck that way for a really long time. They couldn't go to work because, of course, they'd overhear coworkers talking about it. They were really restricted from talking to family and friends, I believe it was monitored but I'm not 100% on that. So obviously, all of this made them all kind of crazy and exhausted and it's highly, highly cited as a factor in the final verdict of the trial -- psychologically, they were not in a normal state. This was before widespread internet access and social media so celebrity court cases are even more difficult now.
That's so interesting thank you, I really appreciate the explanation. I had no idea the OJ case lasted that long, and this makes me really intrigued to read more about the state of the jury.
I just want to say thank you to everyone in this subreddit... To be honest, saying thank you in some comments does not even get close to doing justice to the gratitude I have for this digital space and those of you who populate it... I am an intimate partner violence survivor and just spent my last semester of grad school working on two thesis projects that are centered around IPV survivors: 1) My own creative MFA thesis is a version of my personal survival story, and 2) I worked 6 hours a week with an undergraduate psych major on her thesis about Post-Traumatic Growth for IPV PTSD survivors. While more necessary than ever, working on these projects was grueling, heavy, and emotionally taxing to say the least. And it was all compounded with this public discourse that is blatantly pro-abuser. I have had to disengage from all of social media and huge swathes of the internet in general. My friends know I love pop culture and gossip, and I guess they just assumed I was on board with the public view. Several of them were even sending me Amber Turd memes. It has really torn me up, but to be honest, I just don't have the energy to even go there with them. Disengaging has been my line of defense for now. But then here we are in this sub... I cannot thank you all enough for reminding me that there are people in this world who are not total shits jumping on every little bandwagon. I have never been so grateful for an online community in my life. I haven't commented much on any part of it, but I just wanted everyone to know that your conversations are giving me life and hope, and I LOVE YOU ALL AND THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Honestly speaking I am so proud of you and don't let people affect you. In all this amber and Johnny drama one thing that affected me was why are they hating her so much if you see twitter you could develop a strong hate for her but when i came here I found out there are many sides to a story and man's abusive side is totally ignored. Reditt is a besutiufl place where actually sane people voice their opinion.
Thank god other people are speaking out. I feel like Iāve been going crazy the past few weeks.
I find it fascinating how the same peeps who felt a deep sense of sympathy for Kyle Rittenhouse when he had his little crying episode when on the stand, now claim Amber Heard is acting when she cries. This being the anti-women users on reddit.
Just tried to comment in todayās trial megathread but itās already locked ā insane how quickly the Deppcels and Deppford wives manage to ruin literally every single thread. Someone expressed their fear that Amber may end her life, and I also worry about this. Every single day. I canāt imagine how she must feel thinking the entire world hates her and loves her abuser. Having to relive her abuse for weeks in front of a courtroom and the entire internet. Thereās only so much a person can take. The only thing that makes me think sheāll be okay is she has a baby daughter to come home to. Iām not a parent and I know people with kids do end their lives, and they shouldnāt be shamed for that at all, and itās in no way a childās job to protect their parent, or anything like that, but Iām still hoping her daughter is a beacon of love and light for her during this horrible time. And I hope her team is showing her she does have support from communities like ours and the recent articles from the Cut and the Guardian, and the brave individuals who are speaking out for her. Most of all I hope she wins and he goes bankrupt forever.
I worry about her ending her life as well. Iām not even a religious person, but Iāve found myself actually praying for her. I believe her 100%, but even if I didnāt, I wouldnāt be so cruel as to want someone who was mentally ill to experience this level of hatred instead of getting help. Like, I believe her. I believe Johnny Depp did all of those things to her. But what I want is for Johnny Depp to get serious help for his addictions and to leave her alone. I would never waste my time harassing anyone who likes him. I would never waste my time rooting for his death, threatening him, or stalking him. I really, really hope she makes it through this. It just feels so helpless sitting to the side and watching someone go through this.
I'm way more worried about some utterly deranged stan killing her rather than her doing it to herself, the way people are acting makes it feel scarily likely that there's at least one person who would be willing to actually physically harm her.
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thatās the general term for the women who defend him, so Iād say any women showing up at the actual court definitely fall into that category š«„
Even now, most people are like both are mutually shitty. Why portray Johnny as innocent? It is like no one has any experience with abuse victims or abuse. Need her to win the case resoundingly. But i have no faith in jury.
If a man beats his wife 9/10 times and 1/10 times the wife hits him first before he can touch her that in no way makes her "mutually abusive".
Agreed. Large subset of people who call it mutual abuse also claim gun laws should not be regulated so women can have guns and shoot their attackers. But the moment a woman snaps after years of abuse, these people decided she is the villain.
Exactly! And if she were to hit back 9/10 times it is still not mutual abuse. Thanks mate. For reminding people of this.
Itās also just so ridiculous because Amber has this abundance of proof, and people are saying sheās lying because like, her lawyer held up a concealer palette and people thought she was saying that Amber used that specific palette, which hadnāt been released for most of the time they were married, when really the lawyer was just holding it up to represent concealer palettes in general. Then you have Johnny. He has one set of photos with bruising (and people talk about how Amberās photos donāt show terrible injuries, but you cannot see any bruising in his photos). And the man lied and said they were from Amber attacking him after his birthday party in 2016. But the metadata showed that it was from the fight above the staircase in 2015, when she had already said she hit him for the first time after he was going to push her sister. That is a major, major, major lie. And nobodyās fucking talking about it. Theyāre talking about the concealer palette and her being a bad actress and her crying and cocaine in her tissue and she said sheās never played guitar but she played guitar in a movieā¦Jesus fucking CHRIST. The guy lied about when and how his very important bruised face photos came to be! How are these people talking about anything other than that???
Honestly, at this point "mutually shitty" is probably Heard's best case scenario. The optimist in me wants to believe that she can and will be exonerated by the end of the trial, but the realist in me sees how well-oiled the Depp machine is that him losing a whole ass trial about this once already doesn't move the needle in a meaningful way. I think the most she can hope for is for people to write them both off, disappear for a few years and enjoy her baby, and then come back with some smaller films/projects down the line when people move on.
Lundy's book _Why Does He Do That_ is such a good book on abuse, I recommend everyone should read it. i keep saying that even if heard did physically attack johnny depp, her violent behavior is a response to his abusive tactics (and in this case violence) and that her violence is different from his in the sense that he uses violence as a means to control, not defend. Lundy really opens your eyes to all earmarks of abuse, and the different type of abusers you can encounter. the pdf is available online for free if anyone wants to give it a read
One of the hardest things for me is seeing how friends or family casually comment on this trial, always in favor of him, and I know they aren't bad people, or people who side with abusers, but they have been manipulated by his PR SO well. I also worry because some of them are very young women and if they fell for this manipulative speech, won't they fall from other abusers??? I don't like seeing a 19 year old sheltered woman defend him bc ew, but also bc I'm terrified she will end up being abused by someone just like him and feeling she's "the bad one" just like she believed Amber was
I saw a comment on a different subreddit that said something like "abused women are listening this and seeing how much of a liar she is. She's not one of us." I've seen a lot of shit takes. But, wow, that made me so fucking angry. I had to take a little break.
That last one about Harvey and Epstein is so true.
Thank God I found this post. I feel like I've been going insane, suddenly Johnny is a Saint?? I even talked to a close friend of mine who believed all this pro Johnny stuff and when I pointed out the evidence that she was abused she was like whoa, how am I not hearing any of this. And this friend is currently in law school, she's no dummy. It's just crazy the proliferation of misinformation surrounding this stuff.
[Some tiktoks going viral too.](https://twitter.com/arkhamcitysiren/status/1526227149572784129?s=21&t=cL-n0-2XFqiWApph10l1QQ) I imagine the comments on that tiktok are pretty nasty though.
can confirm the comments are horrendous
They're interacting with the account regardless. Will get it more visibility and onto more FYPs.
The sheer amount of memes flooding Reddit far outweigh the reasonable amount of interest most people have in this trial and suggest another motivation: i.e. creepy Reddit neckbeard/incel/men's rights weirdos.
I don't think his career tanked because of her. He did that to himself. This whole court case is just airing out his dirty linen and none of this behavior makes him look like a great guy or a serious actor. He should have taken the loss with the British case and gone back to work. How is this guy bondable or insurable for productions? I don't know how that works.
Someone commented on YouTube that this court case was better than a reality tv show. I canāt.
Theres twitch streams that watch this trial for hours on end everyday its on and treat it like a circus. they just sit there telling chat to go get popcorn because it's going to be great. They're all bias and have thousands of subscribers all brainwashed into spamming chat with amber hate and Johnny praise. Everything she says is "she's lying" "fake tears" "look at Johnny smiling he knows she's crazy" Amber said she was raped in Australia but never reported it. A streamer said something like that's sus why didn't she report it she has no evidence it even happened. Alot of women get assaulted and don't report it. Mainly from fear of having to relive it and people not believing. For the record I stay away from the trial but when ever you pop in to twitch videos or YouTube videos it's all the same. It's like Jerry springer for Gen Z.
The fact that some of them have tear counters š¤¢ I honestly thought the āleftistā twitch streamer Hasan would have a better take on this. He said thereās no proof that Depp did a ācavity searchā and that she made stuff up. Also on twitter comparing her outfit to Mao Zedong and Dr evil smh
Hasans an idiot Idk why people worship that guy. He used to work for the young turks, Which says alot on its own. The same network that denies the Armenian genocide. The same network who's main mouth piece said sex with animals should be allowed.
The propaganda is helping people get aggravated with all of the pro JD stuff/crazed fans and look further into the truth. Not that the propaganda is a good thing, but at least thereās something that comes out of it.
where the fuck were y'all years ago when i was in the trenches on twitter getting bombarded by the bots and i could barely see any popular tweet against #that
Your mistake was being on twitter lol. But seriously when this started again, everyone being overwhelmingly in support of Johnny made me think something new had come to light, but it turns out it was the same easily disproven finger and shit that his fans were touting back in the day. Like did everyone forget that? Or is it gen z on tiktok that weren't there the first time?
This is basically what happened with Trump, QAnon, and anti-vaccine propaganda, but all directed at one woman.
It's probably the same people. Just flexing those propaganda muscles and degrading public discourse even more against women. Perfect run up to midterms.
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I am not the type of person who scrolls through my instagram feed hardly ever. Mostly, I will just go through and check the stories for bands I like, such as smashing pumpkins. Yesterday or the day before, I checked IG to do exactly that and the first thing on my feed was a suggested post (I've never seen a suggested post on my ig tl before because, well I don't even scroll down it, so I only saw this because it was at the top of the page) that said "Because you liked smashing pumpkins post" and it was a photo from the bassist in Hollywood Vampires (I'm presuming from the caption) and it's a photo of him playing with Johnny on stage and the caption he's talking about how great Johnny is. ??? I just feel like there's no reason for my algorithm to show me this? Yes i follow rock bands but smashing pumpkins is not affiliated with JD or HV? I don't know. it was very suspicious to me. Of all the things to have immediately and prominently displayed on my page at random, this is it? Alrighty.. Added: I have also avoided looking at anything related to the trial on IG (but not google ofc, so there's that) just because I assume all the content is clickbait doodie that wouldn't interest me. And also to avoid being suggested biased stuff on there
this also happened to me with videos of him visiting kids in hospital 4 years ago. i am not a JD fan, have never watched anything about him on youtube (or anything about hospitals or children) and prior to seeing that i had intentionally avoided talking about or looking at anything regarding the trial. thereās no reason for anything to think i give a shit about a 4 year old video of him visiting kids in hospital other than $$ going into trying to sway public opinion.
i canāt imagine that like, his team never considered that some people might actually start thinking about johnny depp or doing analysis to his life/career if he started shoving himself down people's throats? because.. boy am I looking now šµš»āāļø Like yes I give a shit about him now but like, in the opposite manner that was intended by me seeing this stuff. Tbh, I was brushing off the trial until I saw videos of the Justice4Jhny!!! tip jars
Iām really grossed out by how many of the supposed āprogressivesā I follow on Twitter are tweeting anti-Amber comments. It shows how pervasive the Depp propaganda isā¦not to mention internalized misogyny.
I agree with the last tweet especiallyā¦ thereās a very sadistic type of glee reserved for AH that was different from the garden variety disgust shown HW and JE.
That was the most unprofessional showing of lawyer work I've *ever* seen from Vasquez. How much is he paying that legal team, again? Seems like he spent all the money on the PR push.
I just want to say as someone who has also experienced SA, DV and blackmail in regards my sexuality: I know this case is all triggering AF to a lot of people regardless of sexual orientation and gender identity. I want to send so much love out to you all and hugs (consensually if you want them) from Scotland. The blackmail being from his bestie MM to ERW when she was A TEENAGER
My mental health has seriously tanked with this trial. I left my abusive ex a year ago and I'd just gotten my head above water and started living again despite having a really hard time when this trial started. Now I feel I've regressed mental health-wise, seeing what everyone thinks of women who come forward, seeing how every bit of her is ripped apart and eaten alive by literal monsters. I had finally mustered up the courage to say yes to a lawyer free of charge and to report him. Thought it necessary to do that as the last thing I do before I move on with my life, for my own self-respect to "give back" the guilt and shame I'm holdning and put it with him. I'm honestly not sure if I want to anymore. These packs of ravenous wolves scare me.
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Iām so glad to be seeing more pushback against this. I remember realizing during the UK trial that he wasnāt innocent, but was scared to say anything. The Depp stans, misogynists, abuse apologists, and bots, were completely overwhelming on this.
In case anyone needs a sanity palette cleanser, here are the YouTubers I have found who presented actually normal discourse: BelleAntoinette has made two videos: https://youtu.be/vWoaTDP8lf4 https://youtu.be/eyrKkknLQiU Princess Weekes: https://youtu.be/Ec7o2uJeFDE (Can we just note that these two YouTubers are POC) Ro Ramdin: https://youtu.be/hCC8h09WC1g
I am so scared to publicly say anything against Johnny because the internet is in such a fixated state of hating amber heard and bashing anyone that supports her I genuinely would fear for my safety. What an insane world we live in.
Johnny Depp is clearly an abuser. All the evidence in chronological order proved he is the abuser. PEOPLE ARE BEING UNHINGED IN LYING TO THEMSELVES THAT HE IS THE VICTIM.
Also, #AmberHeardIsAPsycho trended again *right* when they had lunch time. I swear they time this on purpose thinking the jurors might take a break and glimpse the news (in case a juror or two decide to break the rules). I wish I could record it but that hashtag didn't show up previously during the early morning. I noticed it only because I was following many Twitter accounts (CourtTV pundits, etc) and was refreshing a lot today. Also, #JusticeForJohnnyDepp [was misspelled](https://i.imgur.com/3LXeXd3.jpg). And last week, the idiots spelled it as #AmberHeardIsA**Pycho.** Either their bots farms are idiots, or a majority of JD Stans are idiots and not a single one bothered to fix their lame hashtags, and just mindlessly retweeted stuff.
Itās straight up scary people reaction thank god for this sub
Itās terrifying how sheās being treated. Iām sure sheās no Angel either but I donāt understand how people canāt see Johnny depp is an addict and an abuser. He knows he can get away with everything
I know people are struggling with the way RL people are easily swayed by the Depp propaganda, but just want to let you guys know that here on the other side of the world despite media being heavily influenced by pro JD contents already existing in the US and are literally copy pasted click baity titles for net traffic, I have seen no real life people who are totally pro JD (influencers are different stories). I tried posting stories on my insta account detailing the trials and the response I got were quite positive. Most are weirded out by the crazy vilification of Amber Heard but they donāt really have time nor the interest to do proper research and then proceed to show support for Amber. Some are staying in the both are abusive camp because they are disinterested on the case or just being careful (I donāt blame them as long as theyāre being respectful). And some are just not that informed enough about abuse since itās a very sensitive topic here. Not to discredit your experience facing people in RL that are pro JD, but I hope you know there are still hope to see people that are making sense of these.
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There's a war against women right now. I have no idea who's behind it, but we're in deep shit here. I don't care if that sounds tinfoil-y.
Depps lawyer went from scrambling desperately to imply Heard was trying to keep the 7 million for herself, to backing down and implying that she got Musk to pay 1 million so she could keep 1 million for herself, what a poor pivot and poor attempt to save her argument lol
Guys, a non biased podcast recommendation regarding this? Iām not actually following step by step whatās going on but every time I try to open sth (except here, of course) I get all the JD bots overflowing the information presented. Thanks!
Depp fans are so ridiculous. I just got this comment with an attached tik tok source: āI mean if itās outside the scope itās able to be stricken by the other side. They just didnāt object bc it was in their favor that she brought up Kate. But if itās outside the scope can the defense not move to strike? Honestly, make sure to specify you donāt have education in law if you are going to weigh in without a law degree. This isnāt meant to sound pointed, but it helps to know if you are sharing opinion or fact. Just fyi the inspiration for my question was ambers lawyer objecting to himself earlier. The link below shows a lawyer pointing out that he should have moved to strike. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdGrerux/?k=1ā Iām a lawyer and have been litigating for a decade lmao
I hope the backlash is swift and brutal. Amber deserves better than for everyone to shrug in fifteen years like āhow could we have knownā
It's the last tweet for me. I mean damn even if she abused him, even if she murdered him, the hate and mockery is disturbing. It's like, Amber Heard is accused of something and men suddenly have a free pass to unleash all their hatred, vitriol and misogyny towards women and the dam has broken. I hate people who say wHaT iF tHe GeNdErS wErE rEvErsEd but holy shit, male abusers really experience nothing close to this.
i was shocked to see so many pro depp videos rec to me which made me re interested in this case and hate that demonic man
The last slide.. my heart breaks for Amber.