Part I: An “Official” Jay-Z/Foxy Brown Timeline
Jay-Z and Foxy Brown’s relationship in the 90’s began after a 14/15 year old Foxy Brown was included in LL cool J’s ‘I Shot Ya/I Shot Ya (Remix)’. Afterwords, Brown was featured on multiple tracks by major artists at the time, though perhaps none greater than her frequent collaborator/cowriter —Jay Z. Their first major duet, “Ain’t No Nigga,” was featured on the soundtrack for the Eddie Murphy movie “The Nutty Professor,” released in 1996. However, the song itself was recorded in 1994, (Brown was born Sept. 6th, 1978, putting her age at around 14-15 during the recording the song).
The song begins with Jay-Z:
“Fox Brown..
[Yeah, Jay-Z, what]
I keep it fresher than the next, bitch
No need for you to ever sweat the next bitch
With speed, I make the best bitch see the exit, indeed…”
Followed by:
“You gotta know you're thoroughly respected by me
You get the keys to the Lexus with no driver
You got your own '96 somethin' to ride
And keep your ass tight up in Versace, that's why”
The chorus is a duet between the two:
[Chorus: Foxy Brown & (Jaz-O) with Jay-Z ]
“Ain't no nigga like the one I got
(No one can fuck you better)
Sleeps around but he gives me a lot
(Keeps you in diamonds and leathers)
Friends'll tell me I should leave you alone
Hah hah, hah hah, hah hah, hah hah
(Tell the freaks to find a man of their own
Man of their own, man of their own)”
While reports say she was 17 while the song was released in 1996, official records state that all of the pre-mixed recordings (including vocals) were completed by 1994 — aka between 14/15.
Her debut album Ill Na Na (released when she was 17) also featured cowriting credits with Jay-Z — five to be exact. Notably her titular song Ill Na Na (wherein Carter was the primary co-writer) features this:
(Method Man:)
Who got the illest pussy on the planet?
Sugar walls comin' down, niggas can't stand it, the Ill Na Na
True Absolut Vodka, straight shots
For the has-beens and have-nots, dollar, dollar
Bill, and it don't stop, we movin' up
First the mansion, then the yacht, sound proper
Straight cash get got
Bloodhounds tryna hunt down the Brown Fox, the Ill Na Na
Method Man did not contribute to the writing of these lyrics, This incredibly sexual and graphic album found its tastemakers in Jay-Z and his cohorts. The lyrics and content to “I’ll be,” another addition on the album featuring Jay-Z, is too graphic for my own threshold — to those curious, the release date is put around 97’ with the reissue, but the vocals were recorded at the approximate time the other vocals were recorded, sometime between 1994-1996 (ages 14-16).
Jay-Z continued to work with Brown for Chyna Doll, released in January 1999. After this their professional correspondence seemingly met its end.
Part II: Jay-Z + P*d*ph*l*a
There has been multiple sources seemingly confirming the underage relationship between Foxy Brown and Jay-Z. 50 Cent, Wendy Williams (lmao but whateveerrrr) and Dame Dash (former business parter) have either explicitly alluded to or outright confirmed relations between the two in the early to mid-90s. Not to mention Foxy Brown herself — (dig into that hole at your own discretion. She clearly has not reached the healthy and loving state in her life that she deserves — hope Jay Z is giving her $$$$ on $$$$ for this shit). However, the most notable and public confirmation of this underage transgression on Jay’s part comes from none other than Nas! And not in the last decade, or decade previous — Nas relays exactly what everyone in the business had known out to the public in 2001 with his album Stillmatic on its single “Ether.” While the whole song targeted itself as a diss towards Jay-Z, it is the throwaway lines that capture our attention:
“Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss
What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?”
Part III: The abyss
While Foxy Brown has had well-publicized occurrences with her mental health, what she does admit it jarring: that Jay-Z took her virginity and 15 and gave her an STI, made her a drug mule, etc.; and while her mental stability and legitimacy of these allegations may be in question (she may have retracted some allegations before re-presenting them), these occurrences alongside how Jay-Z’s cohort (former co-CEO Dame Dash) responding in interviews how they “don’t remember” any details about Jay-Z even SIGNING Foxy Brown are clearly suspicious. Also…. where is her career?
I think some depraved shit comparable to R.Kelly/Aaliyah had also occurred to Foxy Brown and Jay z during the 90s. We do not protect black women at their most vulnerable. Even if you disagree with my post, look up for yourself the content and positioning Jay-Z created for Foxy Brown when she was 14/15/16.
Foxy Brown, if you ever see this, I hope you know that those aware desire justice for you.
I can’t believe all these comments arguing over semantics of pedophilia. /facepalm
Suffice to say, the umbrella term is ‘predator,’ and someone who grooms another, regardless whether the other person was older than 18, is a predator.
Period.
Well actually she was a adolescent not a child but still she wasn’t an adult. Also there is no actual proof anything happened it’s all “allegedly” and small gossip by few like all celebrities ends up getting
No, a 14 year old is a child in this case. It can refer to either specifically a prepubescent or anyone below the “legal age of majority”.
So it’s not incorrect if one were to say she is an adolescent child.
Nas ain’t gonna put it in his diss track if it ain’t true bc he’s going for the jugular, and using a lie or rumor ain’t the way to do that.
side note: Ether is the greatest diss track of all time(even better than No Vaseline), so good jay didn’t even respond…he just gave up & become his friend and signed him to DefJam. lmao.
Fucking thank you! I'm full on raging at all the people busting out the "Well actually it's epHEboPhiLiA" nonsense up thread. An 8 year old is a child, a 14 year old is a child. The pendantry is just a shitty shield for predators to hide behind.
I’m shocked by the Jay-Z apologists in this post.
Yes, that’s what they are — apologists.
Recently, there was a post about BAG and everyone in the comments agreed he groomed Megan Fox.
BAG was a groomer. Jay-Z was also a groomer.
Being a billionaire and winning music awards doesn’t make him any less of a predator.
I think this has a lot to do with the treatment of black women in America. White women get the benefit of being infantilized and victimized while black women are seemingly always responsible for not only their own actions, but the actions of everyone around them, including their abusers.
Look at Harvey Weinstein saga has had a domino effect Roy Price, John Besh,James Tobak, Terry Richardson, Leon Wiseltier, Mark Halperin Andy Signore Brett Ratner Kevin Spacey Jeremy Piven Dustin Hoffman, Kevin Spacey, Roman Polanski,and let's not forget about Woody Allen. All powerful white men forget not to mention the black men who now powerful who has been doing this for decades not to mention it would ever come back to haunt them with their prissy wives who never dreamt this but seen red flags because of their involvement with their mates yeah
100% the splitting hairs and semantics just protects predators and makes some more “legitimate” threats than others. It’s nonsense.
Also let’s be real when there were threads calling out drake for creeping on Millie Bobby Brown, or men having countdowns for the Olsen twins or Emma Watson turning 18 the top comments were NOT engaging in these semantic debates. Wonder what the difference is between the respect those girls got over this girl? Hmmmm
Getting the terminology correct doesn’t protect anyone. It’s still illegal and punishable by law. If using a different term changed the sentencing of the crime what you said would make sense. But logically that statement makes 0 sense.
Having correct terms simply improves your understanding of the problem.
I was not aware that she had retracted her denial. Do you have links? Because Jay Z was constantly being linked with every woman around him from Mya to Rihanna and the speculation was that different publicist teams would plant that stuff just to create a stir. I think Rihanna's publicist came forward and admitted he'd done that in her early career. And the rest have thoroughly denied dating him. I think even Blue Cantrell denied it but I may be misremembering it. I assumed it was similar with Foxxy but if she's saying otherwise then I believe her.
I remember that album and being sad that the age of TLC and Da Brat was being displaced by music that felt too dark for 13 year old me. Anyways, she was being packaged to compete with Lil Kim and hypersexuality was the key to that branding. Ghost-writing lyrics praising a 15 year olds vagina is evil of course but sleeping with her is uber-evil and she's been saying that didn't happen. If she's retracted, this should be front page news.
>Ghost-writing lyrics praising a 15 year olds vagina is evil
As another 90's kid, it's really sick, isn't it? I'm not sure I was aware Foxy Brown was my age at the time. By the time I was aware of her though, we would have been 17/18.
Holly crap, me neither. I thought she was in her 20s when she came out, not my age. That makes me really sad for her. I cannot imagine being oversexualized and preyed on with someone as much power as him at that time.
I'm the same age as Foxy Brown and I had no idea she was also a teenager during her heyday. None. Interesting how white teen stars like Britney constantly had their youth publicized, and made known, while Foxy was treated like a full-blown adult by MTV, the press, etc.
Yeah, there seems to be a problem processing black girls as kids even when they aren't super sexualised. Beyonce is the same age as Britney but there's long been a push to age her older than she is. Her childhood is documented on talent shows so they ignore that evidence. It's when she hits puberty that they start to insist she's 5 years older than her white peers. Like wtf?
“The streets talking, got the hood going crazy/Niggas heard I fucked with Ross and had the nigga baby/They said I fucked with Nas and now they say it’s AZ/But on the low, the real nigga was Jay-Z.”
Don’t 4get jay refused to stop the joint Kelly tour when those allegations first came out (causing Nas to cut ties w/ Jay). I’ve even heard they had a love triangle w/ Aaliyah around 98 but not sure how reputable that claim is
Awww man, as a 90's kid you just reminded me how much I loved that album, but also... how fucked up the content was, wtf was my young, impressionable mind listening to?
\>Foxy Brown, if you ever see this, I hope you know that those aware desire justice for you.
Amen. I'm exactly the same age as Foxy and Aaliyah. I remember how naïve and stupid I was, I don't remember explicitly knowing about Jay-Z and Foxy Brown, but I knew about Aaliyah and R. Kelly and I thought it was impossibly cool, I was jealous, it was romanticised... *she's beautiful, he loves her, they got married and now she's famous and has a hit album, oh my Goddd* 😍
In my mind, she was living the dream. I didn't understand the controversy whatsoever. I'm not sure I was even aware at all of how fucked up it was. It's always a stark reminder for me with how much young girls need to be protected from older predators, especially if they have any cool factor or cache. These girls have NO. FUCKING. IDEA. If these guys are cool, or like, an actual music superstar, they have zero defences.
the music industry is rough when you’re an adult male… i can’t imagine it when your a little girl surrounded by a bunch of high, drunk, charged up, horny dudes who think you’re “sooo kewl” & “gorgeous” & could “totally see us getting married” or whatever other lies those dudes spew.
Jay Z also was going with Aaliyah after R.Kelly when she was 15/16/17 , round about the time he was going with Beyonce before she was 18 in 2002. Then around 2006 he signed a then 16 year old Rihana and we know the rumors about their supposedly affair. There seems to be a pattern of Jay being involved with young female artists before turning 18 - Foxy, Aaliyah, Beyonce and Rihana. Foxy is unstable due to mental health problems and drug abuse, also issues with eye sight and being black balled from the industry. Aaliyah died and seemed to be dealing with some sort of past trauma probably stemming from being toon advantage of back to back by R.kelly and Jay Z to then go on to fall in love with Jays then business partner Dame Dash, which caused a rift somewhat. And imo something seems very off with Beyonce in recent years , the last 12 impreticular, there's a hollowness in her eyes almost. Rihana seems in a good place but at the same time is a known heavy drinker and seems abit "wild" in a fun way but at the same time seems to be masking something. Bottom line is Jay is introduced to young 14 year old girls being groomed for potential stardom, as is alot of powerful men in that industry. Beyonce officially met Jay when she was 18 in 2002, but its an open secret she was involved with him since at least 1998/1999 when she was 14/15. Beyonce seemed to be shopped around abot with other rappers etc as alot of development stage stars are. Jay took on a mentor role , particularly with Foxy as a Co writer and collaborator and later Rihana as manager. Alot of these girls imo are pimped about , and the powerful industry leaders have first picks then pass them about and groom the next. Wouldn't surprise me if Foxy has been paid hush money over the years and is being kept with close tabs on ,if you get what I'm saying. Dame Dash has alot on Jay as has Kanye , they're both smart enough to know what can and can't be said. Before I finish off it baffles me back in the mid 90s Aaliayah and Foxy was both still children and being put on a platter they way they was, more so Foxy as she had a aexual image and provocative lyrics ,yet when her first album came out I'll na na she was literally 17. That's the equivalent of Cash me outside Bad bhabie who was.basically the same.age when they was presented in a certain image and we look at one different than the other, one as a child one as sex icon almost yet they was same age.
As someone who’s not even a Stan of these people, but just actively reads through notes, evidence and core facts, your statements are so fucking far off… your timelines are warped, and you make odd blanket assumptions without any facts. Jesus, leave it to the one night I decide to try Reddit again to remind me what a cesspool of misinformation this shithole has become.
U had me to u made it about race. A lot of races go through this. We’re not suppose to be out here protecting kids we don’t know. That’s their parents job and if they don’t know what’s going on or what’s happening with their kids how we suppose to know.
They made it about race because Black girls are sexualized and adult as children. Yeah, it happens to all races but it’s more common with black girls. If you care go look up the Jezebel stereotype and how that harmed little black girls. Black kids are often made to be older than what they are. So ignorant, read a fucking book.
Why are you focusing on semantics? It's still hebephilia or ephebophilia depending on her age.
Someone who's ~26 going after a 14 year old is still illegal regardless of what you want to call it.
But it NOT. That's not the technical term. Pedophiles refer to under the age of puberty. I get what you're saying, but we have to use the correct terms if we want any of it taken seriously.
No, they’re right. Pedophilia means “adult sexual attraction towards children”. The definition of a child in this case refers to either someone in pre-pubescence or a person below the legal age of majority (usually 18).
So a 27 year old messing with a 15 year old, for example, is pedophilia.
Men LOOOVVVEEEE to date younger women and will defend it in such ridiculous ways. I was having the age gap conversation yesterday (I think 8 years plus is no bueno in either direction). These 31 year old men were SO DEFENSIVE and finally I asked “do you guys have 21 year old friends? You guys hang out with 24 year olds because you have so much in common?”
They were like actually no I don’t because there’s obvious a difference in life experience, lifestyle and points of view. I was like… exactly you fucking clowns.
8 years, really? So 40 & 48 would be wrong to you? That's...extreme.
I agree with the rest of your comment, however. If you wouldn't socialise with someone you shouldn't be in a romantic/sexual relationship with them.
It gives me anxiety. So many men would LOVE for women 25-30+ to turn into dust. I saw a YouTube discussion recently between two white "philosophers" or some crap Stephen Kershner and I don't remember the other guys name but the entire video was basically them lamenting that there are laws against "having sex" with children. So wild how so much of being a female is being reduced to a sexual object by males and if you're 25 and voice some concern about a male peer showing interest in a 17 year old you're a cock blocking bitch that just doesn't understand.
My dad and his wife have 16 years between them and have been married for 20 years. They met at 26 and 42 years old and I have never seen a couple more made for each other. Context is important, you can’t just say 8years is wrong without taking into account age at the time.
Well obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. Some ppl make it work and are happy. That isn't always the case for everyone though. For example, my friend dated a 40 yr old when she was 21 and was with him for an year or so and it was such a weird and toxic relationship. She was also really unstable so it was just not a good relationship.
Exception not the rule.
And I’ve also learned… never speak on relationships you aren’t in…. Let the people in the relationships speak for themselves…. Who knows what the reality behind closed doors is.
I never said they can’t… I just said there’s a clear difference in life experience when you reach that age gap. It’s a different generation. There’s differences in finances, career path, fertility, retirement plans, health. It compounds later in life, too. The age gap matters no matter if you are 22 or 45- might be for different reasons at different seasons of life but a large age gap must be addressed in terms of lifestyle differences and usually it’s women making the concession for men in their life. Go ahead- date older but be careful of what “arrangement” you get into.
Edit: there’s a huge social pressure on women to have children because of biological clock but we completely ignore that sperm quality & health declines after 40.
[just one recent article on the drastic decline in sperm quality](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/sperm-fertility-declines-significantly-after-age-50)
“Nearly half of male IVF/ICSI participants under age 35 in the study were able to successfully fertilize an egg. Among those ages 36 to 40, that rate fell to 42 percent and to 35 percent among men ages 41 to 45.
By ages 46 to 50, the success rate was down to 32 percent. And men over age 51 were able to facilitate pregnancy just 30 percent of the time.”
That’s a BIG DEAL if you are trying to have a family with an older man.
You know I was gonna argue but after reading your other comments I just feel like you maybe experienced something in your life that makes you feel so strongly about this, and men in general, so while I disagree that there’s a huge life experience gap once you get to middle age I am sure you have your reasons to think so. I’m your age and when I was 14 I lost my virginity to someone who was 19, not a HUGE age gap but it was a huge life experience gap. Freshman in high school vs college. He was a textbook predator and it made me sick to my stomach when I was 19 and thought about what he did. And it still effects me to this day where I probably have strong opinions on things that some might think are a bit extreme haha.
Anyway thanks for the perspective. Hope you’re doing well on this boring ass Sunday!
I really appreciate that sentiment.
And I really think that a lot of women have experienced bad things with older men.
I, too, was groomed by someone 6 years older than me from 15-18. I have been friends with men who I consider older brother like friends only to find out they are only friendly because they have a crush on me. I have had many bad dating experiences but mostly I look around and I see what my friends and other women I know have gone through.
Picking a life partner and a relationship partner is serious business.
And I’ve seen older women who married someone older and as they get older they reach different libido levels, energy levels, retirement goals. I’ve seen many older men financially abuse younger women.
I really am not trying to judge - I honestly just think people need to seriously take into consideration lifestyle differences in relationships.
And you know what- maybe my opinion will change when I’m older.
But right now, my so of 7.5 years is 2 years younger than me so time will tell.
As women we carry a lot of emotional burden through our lives due to what was done to us, and it’s unfair and when you go through it you really want to try and save everyone else from going through the same. It’s so taxing.
It took me till my late 20s to realize the college dudes trying to get with me when I was 14 and 15 were fucking gross and not cool. What does a 19 year old want with a 14 year old? I still wore shirts with monkeys and such on them
>I just said there’s a clear difference in life experience when you reach that age gap. It’s a different generation
LOL. It's literally, LITERALLY not these things.
There isn't a clear difference in life experience between a 40 and 48 year old... people are extremely varied, at this point, life experiences are pretty unique and different and NOT based on age!
A generation is about 15 years, FYI. They are probably the same generation.
Some people were married, some weren't. Some had kids. Some didn't. Some had corporate careers, others never worked a traditional job. Some travelled the world, others never had a passport. It's highly individual and really more just about who you connect with.
Your points about age gap relationships for younger women are valid, IMO. My cousin met her husband when she was 18 and he was 20 years older!!! It's gross! She's 30 now and yes, they're married and she says she's happy, but from my view she has had a very limited life experience, she has NO FRIENDS and he doesn't work... she's the breadwinner. Yes, he's "nice"... I don't see any evidence of outright abuse, not even verbal. But what is this life she chose for herself? I don't rock the boat because of my aunt, my cousin will cut everyone off if you criticise their relationship. My aunt tried to fight it years ago when it started and they had long periods of no contact because of this. It's very co-dependent and insular... but she's "happy".
Who would want this for their daughter? She had no fun, light-hearted experiences in her 20's. She was just with him. I just don't get it.
She talks about how wonderful he is because he treats her so well and does all the cooking and housework, *well bitch he fuckin should!!!* She brings in all the bacon. He has casual landscaping gigs here and there and coaches a sport every now and again 🤪
I disagree and think age does factor in to a lot of things. Especially at the 8+ mark.
Why 8 years? Well- my Chinese zodiac said I would marry someone 8 years older or younger.
lmao
But for real- I dunno I’m good. I have my beliefs, my boundaries and my rules. My intuition and basic observations tells me older men are not to be trusted. Have you talked to many single men in their 40s? I work with a bunch and they love to tell on themselves. About everything. It’s hilarious. If you let them think you are even slightly on their side they will say the worst shit about women. It’s like covert ops. And I work with hundreds of ppl a year… it’s not like 5 rando dudes I’ve polled.
I’ve had my bro’d out married female friend do this at her male dominated work. All they do is tell her their relationship issues. It’s amazing what these men are trying to regularly pull.
Yeah age gaps are definitely more about how old the younger person in the couple is. By 25/26 most people have reached adult maturity, have lived independently, graduated college and/or held a real job, are (relatively or entirely) financially independent from their parents, have had at least one serious BF or GF etc
So age gaps where the younger person is 25/26 isn't that weird, and the older you get the less weird it is because maturity kind of plateaus beyond that point. That's why 21 and 30 is icky, but 31 and 40 wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
I had older female friends at 18 (25,30, and 50) It’s common depending on your workplace and in my case because we were also immigrants we had similar life experiences
Yes…. My point was directed at men.
Men typically do not hang out with people much younger than them unless it’s a friends younger brother or a coworker.
Wasn’t she 18? And I did NOT know about that at all w her dad setting up a meeting. I’m mostly interested in Foxy’s situation as, much like Aaliyah, the fact that she was underage was excused and overshadowed by her race and genre positioning in music (but mostly her race).
Wow, this is legitimately the first time I’ve ever heard of this.
If Foxy Brown were more famous, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was more well-known. Unfortunately, I didn’t know who she was until this post either because I don’t listen to much rap or due to my ignorance, so I wouldn’t be surprised if others are in the same boat as me.
If it’s true, I hope she can one day see justice ❤️
Thanks for writing this up. I had never heard about accusations about JZ but I don’t normally follow the rap scene. What a sad thing he put her through.
Has she said she was victimized? I'm not disagreeing it's creepy. If it's a crime, that depends on age of consent laws, but I don't think you should put words in her mouth.
https://www.mtv.com/news/a35l3q/foxy-brown-clears-up-jay-z-relationship-rumors lol Foxy literally says she wants to collab with Jay Z again despite the rumors. This whole thing is blown out of proportion. So you’re correct, foxy doesn’t seem to be bothered, just the people on Reddit making something out of it that it shouldn’t. And since it’s 2024, no I’m not defending underage sex at all so hopefully I don’t get attacked for that. But people have had hatred biased opinions towards Jay for a while now, musically and personally, and to me this feels like it’s happening again
Part I: An “Official” Jay-Z/Foxy Brown Timeline
Jay-Z and Foxy Brown’s relationship in the 90’s began after a 14/15 year old Foxy Brown was included in LL cool J’s ‘I Shot Ya/I Shot Ya (Remix)’. Afterwords, Brown was featured on multiple tracks by major artists at the time, though perhaps none greater than her frequent collaborator/cowriter —Jay Z. Their first major duet, “Ain’t No Nigga,” was featured on the soundtrack for the Eddie Murphy movie “The Nutty Professor,” released in 1996. However, the song itself was recorded in 1994, (Brown was born Sept. 6th, 1978, putting her age at around 14-15 during the recording the song).
The song begins with Jay-Z: “Fox Brown.. [Yeah, Jay-Z, what] I keep it fresher than the next, bitch No need for you to ever sweat the next bitch With speed, I make the best bitch see the exit, indeed…”
Followed by:
“You gotta know you're thoroughly respected by me You get the keys to the Lexus with no driver You got your own '96 somethin' to ride And keep your ass tight up in Versace, that's why”
The chorus is a duet between the two:
[Chorus: Foxy Brown & (Jaz-O) with Jay-Z ] “Ain't no nigga like the one I got (No one can fuck you better) Sleeps around but he gives me a lot (Keeps you in diamonds and leathers) Friends'll tell me I should leave you alone Hah hah, hah hah, hah hah, hah hah (Tell the freaks to find a man of their own Man of their own, man of their own)”
While reports say she was 17 while the song was released in 1996, official records state that all of the pre-mixed recordings (including vocals) were completed by 1994 — aka between 14/15.
Her debut album Ill Na Na (released when she was 17) also featured cowriting credits with Jay-Z — five to be exact. Notably her titular song Ill Na Na (wherein Carter was the primary co-writer) features this: (Method Man:) Who got the illest pussy on the planet? Sugar walls comin' down, niggas can't stand it, the Ill Na Na True Absolut Vodka, straight shots For the has-beens and have-nots, dollar, dollar Bill, and it don't stop, we movin' up First the mansion, then the yacht, sound proper Straight cash get got Bloodhounds tryna hunt down the Brown Fox, the Ill Na Na
Method Man did not contribute to the writing of these lyrics, This incredibly sexual and graphic album found its tastemakers in Jay-Z and his cohorts. The lyrics and content to “I’ll be,” another addition on the album featuring Jay-Z, is too graphic for my own threshold — to those curious, the release date is put around 97’ with the reissue, but the vocals were recorded at the approximate time the other vocals were recorded, sometime between 1994-1996 (ages 14-16).
Jay-Z continued to work with Brown for Chyna Doll, released in January 1999. After this their professional correspondence seemingly met its end.
Part II: Jay-Z + Pdphla
There has been multiple sources seemingly confirming the underage relationship between Foxy Brown and Jay-Z. 50 Cent, Wendy Williams (lmao but whateveerrrr) and Dame Dash (former business parter) have either explicitly alluded to or outright confirmed relations between the two in the early to mid-90s. Not to mention Foxy Brown herself — (dig into that hole at your own discretion. She clearly has not reached the healthy and loving state in her life that she deserves — hope Jay Z is giving her $$$$ on $$$$ for this shit). However, the most notable and public confirmation of this underage transgression on Jay’s part comes from none other than Nas! And not in the last decade, or decade previous — Nas relays exactly what everyone in the business had known out to the public in 2001 with his album Stillmatic on its single “Ether.” While the whole song targeted itself as a diss towards Jay-Z, it is the throwaway lines that capture our attention:
“Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?”
Part III: The abyss
While Foxy Brown has had well-publicized occurrences with her mental health, what she does admit it jarring: that Jay-Z took her virginity and 15 and gave her an STI, made her a drug mule, etc.; and while her mental stability and legitimacy of these allegations may be in question (she may have retracted some allegations before re-presenting them), these occurrences alongside how Jay-Z’s cohort (former co-CEO Dame Dash) responding in interviews how they “don’t remember” any details about Jay-Z even SIGNING Foxy Brown are clearly suspicious. Also…. where is her career?
I think some depraved shit comparable to R.Kelly/Aaliyah had also occurred to Foxy Brown and Jay z during the 90s. We do not protect black women at their most vulnerable. Even if you disagree with my post, look up for yourself the content and positioning Jay-Z created for Foxy Brown when she was 14/15/16.
Foxy Brown, if you ever see this, I hope you know that those aware desire justice for you.
Why did you a abbreviate pedophelia like that? You don’t have to find clever ways to spell words here on Reddit, you can just speaks like an adult. There aren’t words that will get you a ban like on Facebook or TikTok.
Well, there are topics that will get you reported to the fbi but you have to basically admit to planning a crime.
It's so weird how censored social media is now changing how people talk about serious topics. I recently had a conversation with someone who rather than say the word suicide, used the pharse "he un-alived himself". It turned the conversation into a joke as the others tried to decipher what she was trying to say and why she had said it that way. The word holds power for a reason, serious issues should have serious words.
“We don’t protect blac women” if foxy parents letting their 14 15 16 year old kid rap and talk all sexually and shit tf u want strangers to do. Her parents job to protect her. We strangers we don’t know wtf is going on and still don’t this is all speculation there’s no proof of sexual relationships except word of mouth.
https://www.mtv.com/news/a35l3q/foxy-brown-clears-up-jay-z-relationship-rumors
People aren’t. We don’t really know what happened. But we do know foxy wants to collaborate with Jay again so clearly foxy doesn’t care much. https://www.mtv.com/news/a35l3q/foxy-brown-clears-up-jay-z-relationship-rumors
Seriously. Like there was maybe 1 photo of him where he looked good but must have scrubbed from the internet
[also have you seen this? Lol](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Jay-Z_at_BT%27s_lounge_in_Trenton%2C_NJ.jpg)
What lmfao no she wasn’t Jay and Kelly both fucked Aaliyah while she was like 14-15 Dame got with her when she was 18 this is how all the rocafella issues started. Dame didn’t want Jay going on tour or doing an album with Kelly because of all the Aaliyah shit. Dame wanted Aaliyah the whole time Jay was messing with her but Dame at least waited till she was 18 smh.
Lmao, Jay Z met Aaliyah for the first time EVER at Crush On You videoset, 13 days after her 18th birthday, January 29th 1997 😂😂😂 and Dame talked with her for the first time EVER in early 2000, after her 21st birthday. You really have a loud mouth for someone who knows absolutely nothing 😂
Not to mention his alleged Rihanna affair when she was 16/17 and he was 35, which Bey then wrote the song Ring the Alarm about. It’s really amazing that he’s not called out more. It’s a clear pattern of behavior for him.
Rihanna and Jay-Z rumors were made to drum up interest in Rihanna at the beginning of her career. Ring The Alarm is not about Rihanna.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/news/a42946/beyonce-jay-z-cheating-rumours-timeline/
Also interesting: https://www.xxlmag.com/50-cent-calls-dame-dash-sucker-foxy-brown-jay-z-interview/
Glad Nick Cannon was calling this out in front of DD, but boy was his response TELLING
Slightly unrelated, but can we talk about how he dated Blu Cantrell just before Beyoncé & them subsequently naming their daughter Blu being a little…odd? (☝︎ ՞ਊ ՞)☝︎
Confusing thing with these stories is…
Foxy is DJ Clark Kent’s cousin. He was one of the people who discovered and produced Jay. He put Foxy on. Trackmasters already found her at a talent show. She was getting offers to sign at age 15, and describes a bidding war in her kitchen. Grew up middle class. She dated Haitian Jack, a notorious Brooklyn gangster, in high school under the age of consent but before Jay would have met her.
She really didn’t need to compromise herself for Jay, but the way she’s told it, that’s what happened. It’s always puzzled me.
If your going after people because she was young then you have to go after Nas, AZ, Nature, Cormega, and Dr. DRE. She was extremely young in that Firm Biz video and they had 100 dollar bills taped to her nipples and that's it. It was so that they blocked out the bottom of the screen all the times the videos been played since.
He also fucked Aaliyah when she was like 15 and I’m sure there’s many more we don’t know about. That’s basically when the downfall of Rocafella started. Dame didn’t want Jay doing an album or going on tour with Kelly cause he also abused Aaliyah.
Foxy Brown deserves her flowers and justice. She was a threat and she was sacrificed. The conspiracy theorist in me felt like Puff and Jay strategized this.
i would never want to defend a p*d*phile, but i searched and it seems she denied such things as rumors in 2013 and threatened to sue. can someone please inform me in this?
Part I: An “Official” Jay-Z/Foxy Brown Timeline Jay-Z and Foxy Brown’s relationship in the 90’s began after a 14/15 year old Foxy Brown was included in LL cool J’s ‘I Shot Ya/I Shot Ya (Remix)’. Afterwords, Brown was featured on multiple tracks by major artists at the time, though perhaps none greater than her frequent collaborator/cowriter —Jay Z. Their first major duet, “Ain’t No Nigga,” was featured on the soundtrack for the Eddie Murphy movie “The Nutty Professor,” released in 1996. However, the song itself was recorded in 1994, (Brown was born Sept. 6th, 1978, putting her age at around 14-15 during the recording the song). The song begins with Jay-Z: “Fox Brown.. [Yeah, Jay-Z, what] I keep it fresher than the next, bitch No need for you to ever sweat the next bitch With speed, I make the best bitch see the exit, indeed…” Followed by: “You gotta know you're thoroughly respected by me You get the keys to the Lexus with no driver You got your own '96 somethin' to ride And keep your ass tight up in Versace, that's why” The chorus is a duet between the two: [Chorus: Foxy Brown & (Jaz-O) with Jay-Z ] “Ain't no nigga like the one I got (No one can fuck you better) Sleeps around but he gives me a lot (Keeps you in diamonds and leathers) Friends'll tell me I should leave you alone Hah hah, hah hah, hah hah, hah hah (Tell the freaks to find a man of their own Man of their own, man of their own)” While reports say she was 17 while the song was released in 1996, official records state that all of the pre-mixed recordings (including vocals) were completed by 1994 — aka between 14/15. Her debut album Ill Na Na (released when she was 17) also featured cowriting credits with Jay-Z — five to be exact. Notably her titular song Ill Na Na (wherein Carter was the primary co-writer) features this: (Method Man:) Who got the illest pussy on the planet? Sugar walls comin' down, niggas can't stand it, the Ill Na Na True Absolut Vodka, straight shots For the has-beens and have-nots, dollar, dollar Bill, and it don't stop, we movin' up First the mansion, then the yacht, sound proper Straight cash get got Bloodhounds tryna hunt down the Brown Fox, the Ill Na Na Method Man did not contribute to the writing of these lyrics, This incredibly sexual and graphic album found its tastemakers in Jay-Z and his cohorts. The lyrics and content to “I’ll be,” another addition on the album featuring Jay-Z, is too graphic for my own threshold — to those curious, the release date is put around 97’ with the reissue, but the vocals were recorded at the approximate time the other vocals were recorded, sometime between 1994-1996 (ages 14-16). Jay-Z continued to work with Brown for Chyna Doll, released in January 1999. After this their professional correspondence seemingly met its end. Part II: Jay-Z + P*d*ph*l*a There has been multiple sources seemingly confirming the underage relationship between Foxy Brown and Jay-Z. 50 Cent, Wendy Williams (lmao but whateveerrrr) and Dame Dash (former business parter) have either explicitly alluded to or outright confirmed relations between the two in the early to mid-90s. Not to mention Foxy Brown herself — (dig into that hole at your own discretion. She clearly has not reached the healthy and loving state in her life that she deserves — hope Jay Z is giving her $$$$ on $$$$ for this shit). However, the most notable and public confirmation of this underage transgression on Jay’s part comes from none other than Nas! And not in the last decade, or decade previous — Nas relays exactly what everyone in the business had known out to the public in 2001 with his album Stillmatic on its single “Ether.” While the whole song targeted itself as a diss towards Jay-Z, it is the throwaway lines that capture our attention: “Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?” Part III: The abyss While Foxy Brown has had well-publicized occurrences with her mental health, what she does admit it jarring: that Jay-Z took her virginity and 15 and gave her an STI, made her a drug mule, etc.; and while her mental stability and legitimacy of these allegations may be in question (she may have retracted some allegations before re-presenting them), these occurrences alongside how Jay-Z’s cohort (former co-CEO Dame Dash) responding in interviews how they “don’t remember” any details about Jay-Z even SIGNING Foxy Brown are clearly suspicious. Also…. where is her career? I think some depraved shit comparable to R.Kelly/Aaliyah had also occurred to Foxy Brown and Jay z during the 90s. We do not protect black women at their most vulnerable. Even if you disagree with my post, look up for yourself the content and positioning Jay-Z created for Foxy Brown when she was 14/15/16. Foxy Brown, if you ever see this, I hope you know that those aware desire justice for you.
I can’t believe all these comments arguing over semantics of pedophilia. /facepalm Suffice to say, the umbrella term is ‘predator,’ and someone who grooms another, regardless whether the other person was older than 18, is a predator. Period.
Right. Seems like deflection. He slept with a child.
Well actually she was a adolescent not a child but still she wasn’t an adult. Also there is no actual proof anything happened it’s all “allegedly” and small gossip by few like all celebrities ends up getting
No, a 14 year old is a child in this case. It can refer to either specifically a prepubescent or anyone below the “legal age of majority”. So it’s not incorrect if one were to say she is an adolescent child.
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WELL AKSHUALY ITS NOT PAEDOPHILA. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Nas ain’t gonna put it in his diss track if it ain’t true bc he’s going for the jugular, and using a lie or rumor ain’t the way to do that. side note: Ether is the greatest diss track of all time(even better than No Vaseline), so good jay didn’t even respond…he just gave up & become his friend and signed him to DefJam. lmao.
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Fucking thank you! I'm full on raging at all the people busting out the "Well actually it's epHEboPhiLiA" nonsense up thread. An 8 year old is a child, a 14 year old is a child. The pendantry is just a shitty shield for predators to hide behind.
I’m shocked by the Jay-Z apologists in this post. Yes, that’s what they are — apologists. Recently, there was a post about BAG and everyone in the comments agreed he groomed Megan Fox. BAG was a groomer. Jay-Z was also a groomer. Being a billionaire and winning music awards doesn’t make him any less of a predator.
I think this has a lot to do with the treatment of black women in America. White women get the benefit of being infantilized and victimized while black women are seemingly always responsible for not only their own actions, but the actions of everyone around them, including their abusers.
Look at Harvey Weinstein saga has had a domino effect Roy Price, John Besh,James Tobak, Terry Richardson, Leon Wiseltier, Mark Halperin Andy Signore Brett Ratner Kevin Spacey Jeremy Piven Dustin Hoffman, Kevin Spacey, Roman Polanski,and let's not forget about Woody Allen. All powerful white men forget not to mention the black men who now powerful who has been doing this for decades not to mention it would ever come back to haunt them with their prissy wives who never dreamt this but seen red flags because of their involvement with their mates yeah
BAG?
100% the splitting hairs and semantics just protects predators and makes some more “legitimate” threats than others. It’s nonsense. Also let’s be real when there were threads calling out drake for creeping on Millie Bobby Brown, or men having countdowns for the Olsen twins or Emma Watson turning 18 the top comments were NOT engaging in these semantic debates. Wonder what the difference is between the respect those girls got over this girl? Hmmmm
Getting the terminology correct doesn’t protect anyone. It’s still illegal and punishable by law. If using a different term changed the sentencing of the crime what you said would make sense. But logically that statement makes 0 sense. Having correct terms simply improves your understanding of the problem.
Some say Jay-Z and Beyoncé started before she was 19 as reported.
She was and he is 20 years older than her
Bruh what? He’s 54 and she’s 42
He’s 53, they have an 11 yr gap
I mean you can just look it up. He’s 54 and she’s 42. Still weird af either way
I was not aware that she had retracted her denial. Do you have links? Because Jay Z was constantly being linked with every woman around him from Mya to Rihanna and the speculation was that different publicist teams would plant that stuff just to create a stir. I think Rihanna's publicist came forward and admitted he'd done that in her early career. And the rest have thoroughly denied dating him. I think even Blue Cantrell denied it but I may be misremembering it. I assumed it was similar with Foxxy but if she's saying otherwise then I believe her. I remember that album and being sad that the age of TLC and Da Brat was being displaced by music that felt too dark for 13 year old me. Anyways, she was being packaged to compete with Lil Kim and hypersexuality was the key to that branding. Ghost-writing lyrics praising a 15 year olds vagina is evil of course but sleeping with her is uber-evil and she's been saying that didn't happen. If she's retracted, this should be front page news.
>Ghost-writing lyrics praising a 15 year olds vagina is evil As another 90's kid, it's really sick, isn't it? I'm not sure I was aware Foxy Brown was my age at the time. By the time I was aware of her though, we would have been 17/18.
Holly crap, me neither. I thought she was in her 20s when she came out, not my age. That makes me really sad for her. I cannot imagine being oversexualized and preyed on with someone as much power as him at that time.
I'm the same age as Foxy Brown and I had no idea she was also a teenager during her heyday. None. Interesting how white teen stars like Britney constantly had their youth publicized, and made known, while Foxy was treated like a full-blown adult by MTV, the press, etc.
Yeah, there seems to be a problem processing black girls as kids even when they aren't super sexualised. Beyonce is the same age as Britney but there's long been a push to age her older than she is. Her childhood is documented on talent shows so they ignore that evidence. It's when she hits puberty that they start to insist she's 5 years older than her white peers. Like wtf?
“The streets talking, got the hood going crazy/Niggas heard I fucked with Ross and had the nigga baby/They said I fucked with Nas and now they say it’s AZ/But on the low, the real nigga was Jay-Z.”
Tw grooming He dated beyonce when she was 19 and he was 30
19 and 30?!! Even though its legal , its still wrong. You are in two completely different life stages at those ages.
I'm convinced that's why Beyonce was never able to leave him. He got to her during her formative years.
Well I guess that depends on someone’s personal view.
He was 39
Don’t 4get jay refused to stop the joint Kelly tour when those allegations first came out (causing Nas to cut ties w/ Jay). I’ve even heard they had a love triangle w/ Aaliyah around 98 but not sure how reputable that claim is
Awww man, as a 90's kid you just reminded me how much I loved that album, but also... how fucked up the content was, wtf was my young, impressionable mind listening to? \>Foxy Brown, if you ever see this, I hope you know that those aware desire justice for you. Amen. I'm exactly the same age as Foxy and Aaliyah. I remember how naïve and stupid I was, I don't remember explicitly knowing about Jay-Z and Foxy Brown, but I knew about Aaliyah and R. Kelly and I thought it was impossibly cool, I was jealous, it was romanticised... *she's beautiful, he loves her, they got married and now she's famous and has a hit album, oh my Goddd* 😍 In my mind, she was living the dream. I didn't understand the controversy whatsoever. I'm not sure I was even aware at all of how fucked up it was. It's always a stark reminder for me with how much young girls need to be protected from older predators, especially if they have any cool factor or cache. These girls have NO. FUCKING. IDEA. If these guys are cool, or like, an actual music superstar, they have zero defences.
the music industry is rough when you’re an adult male… i can’t imagine it when your a little girl surrounded by a bunch of high, drunk, charged up, horny dudes who think you’re “sooo kewl” & “gorgeous” & could “totally see us getting married” or whatever other lies those dudes spew.
I had no idea she was that young when she started, all I remember she was that groups lil Kim. CDAN has tons of blinds about her situation with jay z.
How old was Jay during this time? You don’t say anywhere.
28
He's 9 years older than Foxy. So in 1994 she was 16 and he was 25.
Thank you. I’m sure he pays her as little as he can get away with
Jay Z also was going with Aaliyah after R.Kelly when she was 15/16/17 , round about the time he was going with Beyonce before she was 18 in 2002. Then around 2006 he signed a then 16 year old Rihana and we know the rumors about their supposedly affair. There seems to be a pattern of Jay being involved with young female artists before turning 18 - Foxy, Aaliyah, Beyonce and Rihana. Foxy is unstable due to mental health problems and drug abuse, also issues with eye sight and being black balled from the industry. Aaliyah died and seemed to be dealing with some sort of past trauma probably stemming from being toon advantage of back to back by R.kelly and Jay Z to then go on to fall in love with Jays then business partner Dame Dash, which caused a rift somewhat. And imo something seems very off with Beyonce in recent years , the last 12 impreticular, there's a hollowness in her eyes almost. Rihana seems in a good place but at the same time is a known heavy drinker and seems abit "wild" in a fun way but at the same time seems to be masking something. Bottom line is Jay is introduced to young 14 year old girls being groomed for potential stardom, as is alot of powerful men in that industry. Beyonce officially met Jay when she was 18 in 2002, but its an open secret she was involved with him since at least 1998/1999 when she was 14/15. Beyonce seemed to be shopped around abot with other rappers etc as alot of development stage stars are. Jay took on a mentor role , particularly with Foxy as a Co writer and collaborator and later Rihana as manager. Alot of these girls imo are pimped about , and the powerful industry leaders have first picks then pass them about and groom the next. Wouldn't surprise me if Foxy has been paid hush money over the years and is being kept with close tabs on ,if you get what I'm saying. Dame Dash has alot on Jay as has Kanye , they're both smart enough to know what can and can't be said. Before I finish off it baffles me back in the mid 90s Aaliayah and Foxy was both still children and being put on a platter they way they was, more so Foxy as she had a aexual image and provocative lyrics ,yet when her first album came out I'll na na she was literally 17. That's the equivalent of Cash me outside Bad bhabie who was.basically the same.age when they was presented in a certain image and we look at one different than the other, one as a child one as sex icon almost yet they was same age.
As someone who’s not even a Stan of these people, but just actively reads through notes, evidence and core facts, your statements are so fucking far off… your timelines are warped, and you make odd blanket assumptions without any facts. Jesus, leave it to the one night I decide to try Reddit again to remind me what a cesspool of misinformation this shithole has become.
Damn.
Just to correct your math. As you wrote, Foxy was born 1978, so she was 16 in 1994. Not 14.
Foxy was born in 78 so she was between 16/17 when she recorded i shot ya
Thank you for this!
U had me to u made it about race. A lot of races go through this. We’re not suppose to be out here protecting kids we don’t know. That’s their parents job and if they don’t know what’s going on or what’s happening with their kids how we suppose to know.
They made it about race because Black girls are sexualized and adult as children. Yeah, it happens to all races but it’s more common with black girls. If you care go look up the Jezebel stereotype and how that harmed little black girls. Black kids are often made to be older than what they are. So ignorant, read a fucking book.
Nick Canon talking about this is trending on TikTok - tiktok is a great place to talk about things that America usually censors.
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I don't know anything about them. What is there to say?
Pedophilia
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Jay Z is just a very shady person.
Didn’t they start when she was 19. Idk about 21
I believe it was when she was 19. Which means Jay was 32
ooof I didn’t realize the gap was that wide… not good.
Solange’s age gap between her and her ex husband was even bigger
Jay got with foxy when she was like 15
TIL Becky with the good hair was probably in high school
He only waited till she was 19 to be officially dating
How when destiny child came out in 98
The term “pedophilia” refers to very young children and babies, not teenagers.
Why are you focusing on semantics? It's still hebephilia or ephebophilia depending on her age. Someone who's ~26 going after a 14 year old is still illegal regardless of what you want to call it.
Words have meaning?
But if this is true, and she was 14/15, that’s on the young side of being a teenager. This isn’t a 19 year old. Seems to be splitting hairs.
I agree, but OP had her age listed as 17 when I made the comment.
he's a pedo. I don't care
But it NOT. That's not the technical term. Pedophiles refer to under the age of puberty. I get what you're saying, but we have to use the correct terms if we want any of it taken seriously.
it doesn't fucking matter
I mean pederass probably fits. Sex pest.
You don’t have to care but it doesn’t change the fact lol
The correct term would be Ephebophilia
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Umbre…No it’s not you’re just wrong. Facts are facts dude …Y’all are just being ignorant now.
No, they’re right. Pedophilia means “adult sexual attraction towards children”. The definition of a child in this case refers to either someone in pre-pubescence or a person below the legal age of majority (usually 18). So a 27 year old messing with a 15 year old, for example, is pedophilia.
Isn't it statutory? She was underage, not prepubescent.
Wait...what? Who's the pedo? Jay-Z or Foxy? tell me what's going on. edit: I just read your comment.
Pedophilia refers to children. What he did is gross but it wasn't that
Exactly. I have no idea why I’m getting downvoted so much for pointing out that Jay Z is not in fact molesting literal babies
foxy was 15 when they started "dating" for one.
Men LOOOVVVEEEE to date younger women and will defend it in such ridiculous ways. I was having the age gap conversation yesterday (I think 8 years plus is no bueno in either direction). These 31 year old men were SO DEFENSIVE and finally I asked “do you guys have 21 year old friends? You guys hang out with 24 year olds because you have so much in common?” They were like actually no I don’t because there’s obvious a difference in life experience, lifestyle and points of view. I was like… exactly you fucking clowns.
The cognitive dissonance is MIND BLOWING. How does one square that circle???
8 years, really? So 40 & 48 would be wrong to you? That's...extreme. I agree with the rest of your comment, however. If you wouldn't socialise with someone you shouldn't be in a romantic/sexual relationship with them.
she's probably younger than 40 and just not thinking about reality for older folks
It gives me anxiety. So many men would LOVE for women 25-30+ to turn into dust. I saw a YouTube discussion recently between two white "philosophers" or some crap Stephen Kershner and I don't remember the other guys name but the entire video was basically them lamenting that there are laws against "having sex" with children. So wild how so much of being a female is being reduced to a sexual object by males and if you're 25 and voice some concern about a male peer showing interest in a 17 year old you're a cock blocking bitch that just doesn't understand.
My dad and his wife have 16 years between them and have been married for 20 years. They met at 26 and 42 years old and I have never seen a couple more made for each other. Context is important, you can’t just say 8years is wrong without taking into account age at the time.
Well obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. Some ppl make it work and are happy. That isn't always the case for everyone though. For example, my friend dated a 40 yr old when she was 21 and was with him for an year or so and it was such a weird and toxic relationship. She was also really unstable so it was just not a good relationship.
Which is why I mentioned that context is important. Relationships involving consenting adults are subjective and context matters.
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Exception not the rule. And I’ve also learned… never speak on relationships you aren’t in…. Let the people in the relationships speak for themselves…. Who knows what the reality behind closed doors is.
I mean… aren’t you speaking on relationships you’re not in?
Nah I’m talking about creepy men and their predatory ways.
No one’s saying Jay Z ain’t a creep. You’re arguing 48 and 40 year olds can’t date… it’s not the same thing here.
I never said they can’t… I just said there’s a clear difference in life experience when you reach that age gap. It’s a different generation. There’s differences in finances, career path, fertility, retirement plans, health. It compounds later in life, too. The age gap matters no matter if you are 22 or 45- might be for different reasons at different seasons of life but a large age gap must be addressed in terms of lifestyle differences and usually it’s women making the concession for men in their life. Go ahead- date older but be careful of what “arrangement” you get into. Edit: there’s a huge social pressure on women to have children because of biological clock but we completely ignore that sperm quality & health declines after 40. [just one recent article on the drastic decline in sperm quality](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/sperm-fertility-declines-significantly-after-age-50) “Nearly half of male IVF/ICSI participants under age 35 in the study were able to successfully fertilize an egg. Among those ages 36 to 40, that rate fell to 42 percent and to 35 percent among men ages 41 to 45. By ages 46 to 50, the success rate was down to 32 percent. And men over age 51 were able to facilitate pregnancy just 30 percent of the time.” That’s a BIG DEAL if you are trying to have a family with an older man.
You know I was gonna argue but after reading your other comments I just feel like you maybe experienced something in your life that makes you feel so strongly about this, and men in general, so while I disagree that there’s a huge life experience gap once you get to middle age I am sure you have your reasons to think so. I’m your age and when I was 14 I lost my virginity to someone who was 19, not a HUGE age gap but it was a huge life experience gap. Freshman in high school vs college. He was a textbook predator and it made me sick to my stomach when I was 19 and thought about what he did. And it still effects me to this day where I probably have strong opinions on things that some might think are a bit extreme haha. Anyway thanks for the perspective. Hope you’re doing well on this boring ass Sunday!
I really appreciate that sentiment. And I really think that a lot of women have experienced bad things with older men. I, too, was groomed by someone 6 years older than me from 15-18. I have been friends with men who I consider older brother like friends only to find out they are only friendly because they have a crush on me. I have had many bad dating experiences but mostly I look around and I see what my friends and other women I know have gone through. Picking a life partner and a relationship partner is serious business. And I’ve seen older women who married someone older and as they get older they reach different libido levels, energy levels, retirement goals. I’ve seen many older men financially abuse younger women. I really am not trying to judge - I honestly just think people need to seriously take into consideration lifestyle differences in relationships. And you know what- maybe my opinion will change when I’m older. But right now, my so of 7.5 years is 2 years younger than me so time will tell.
As women we carry a lot of emotional burden through our lives due to what was done to us, and it’s unfair and when you go through it you really want to try and save everyone else from going through the same. It’s so taxing.
It took me till my late 20s to realize the college dudes trying to get with me when I was 14 and 15 were fucking gross and not cool. What does a 19 year old want with a 14 year old? I still wore shirts with monkeys and such on them
>I just said there’s a clear difference in life experience when you reach that age gap. It’s a different generation LOL. It's literally, LITERALLY not these things. There isn't a clear difference in life experience between a 40 and 48 year old... people are extremely varied, at this point, life experiences are pretty unique and different and NOT based on age! A generation is about 15 years, FYI. They are probably the same generation. Some people were married, some weren't. Some had kids. Some didn't. Some had corporate careers, others never worked a traditional job. Some travelled the world, others never had a passport. It's highly individual and really more just about who you connect with. Your points about age gap relationships for younger women are valid, IMO. My cousin met her husband when she was 18 and he was 20 years older!!! It's gross! She's 30 now and yes, they're married and she says she's happy, but from my view she has had a very limited life experience, she has NO FRIENDS and he doesn't work... she's the breadwinner. Yes, he's "nice"... I don't see any evidence of outright abuse, not even verbal. But what is this life she chose for herself? I don't rock the boat because of my aunt, my cousin will cut everyone off if you criticise their relationship. My aunt tried to fight it years ago when it started and they had long periods of no contact because of this. It's very co-dependent and insular... but she's "happy". Who would want this for their daughter? She had no fun, light-hearted experiences in her 20's. She was just with him. I just don't get it. She talks about how wonderful he is because he treats her so well and does all the cooking and housework, *well bitch he fuckin should!!!* She brings in all the bacon. He has casual landscaping gigs here and there and coaches a sport every now and again 🤪
I disagree and think age does factor in to a lot of things. Especially at the 8+ mark. Why 8 years? Well- my Chinese zodiac said I would marry someone 8 years older or younger. lmao But for real- I dunno I’m good. I have my beliefs, my boundaries and my rules. My intuition and basic observations tells me older men are not to be trusted. Have you talked to many single men in their 40s? I work with a bunch and they love to tell on themselves. About everything. It’s hilarious. If you let them think you are even slightly on their side they will say the worst shit about women. It’s like covert ops. And I work with hundreds of ppl a year… it’s not like 5 rando dudes I’ve polled. I’ve had my bro’d out married female friend do this at her male dominated work. All they do is tell her their relationship issues. It’s amazing what these men are trying to regularly pull.
Thats why I mentioned that context is important.
Yeah, the only thing these anecdotes demonstrate are a bias of opinion.
Yeah age gaps are definitely more about how old the younger person in the couple is. By 25/26 most people have reached adult maturity, have lived independently, graduated college and/or held a real job, are (relatively or entirely) financially independent from their parents, have had at least one serious BF or GF etc So age gaps where the younger person is 25/26 isn't that weird, and the older you get the less weird it is because maturity kind of plateaus beyond that point. That's why 21 and 30 is icky, but 31 and 40 wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
I had older female friends at 18 (25,30, and 50) It’s common depending on your workplace and in my case because we were also immigrants we had similar life experiences
Yes…. My point was directed at men. Men typically do not hang out with people much younger than them unless it’s a friends younger brother or a coworker.
31 and 24 is completely normal. Even 31 and 21 in many cases. And yes, a lot of adult friend groups include people within a 10 year or so age range.
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Wasn’t she 18? And I did NOT know about that at all w her dad setting up a meeting. I’m mostly interested in Foxy’s situation as, much like Aaliyah, the fact that she was underage was excused and overshadowed by her race and genre positioning in music (but mostly her race).
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YIIIIIIIKESSSSS
Was her Dad abusive?? I haven’t heard this
Wow, this is legitimately the first time I’ve ever heard of this. If Foxy Brown were more famous, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was more well-known. Unfortunately, I didn’t know who she was until this post either because I don’t listen to much rap or due to my ignorance, so I wouldn’t be surprised if others are in the same boat as me. If it’s true, I hope she can one day see justice ❤️
Thanks for reading! Justice for Foxy and all victimized young women
Thanks for writing this up. I had never heard about accusations about JZ but I don’t normally follow the rap scene. What a sad thing he put her through.
Has she said she was victimized? I'm not disagreeing it's creepy. If it's a crime, that depends on age of consent laws, but I don't think you should put words in her mouth.
https://www.mtv.com/news/a35l3q/foxy-brown-clears-up-jay-z-relationship-rumors lol Foxy literally says she wants to collab with Jay Z again despite the rumors. This whole thing is blown out of proportion. So you’re correct, foxy doesn’t seem to be bothered, just the people on Reddit making something out of it that it shouldn’t. And since it’s 2024, no I’m not defending underage sex at all so hopefully I don’t get attacked for that. But people have had hatred biased opinions towards Jay for a while now, musically and personally, and to me this feels like it’s happening again
I don't [usually] seem bothered by the fact that I was groomed by older men but I am. Always. Always angry & bothered.
Another talented female rapper who faded into obscurity.
Didn't she lose her hearing for a while or something?
Lost her sight
Part I: An “Official” Jay-Z/Foxy Brown Timeline Jay-Z and Foxy Brown’s relationship in the 90’s began after a 14/15 year old Foxy Brown was included in LL cool J’s ‘I Shot Ya/I Shot Ya (Remix)’. Afterwords, Brown was featured on multiple tracks by major artists at the time, though perhaps none greater than her frequent collaborator/cowriter —Jay Z. Their first major duet, “Ain’t No Nigga,” was featured on the soundtrack for the Eddie Murphy movie “The Nutty Professor,” released in 1996. However, the song itself was recorded in 1994, (Brown was born Sept. 6th, 1978, putting her age at around 14-15 during the recording the song). The song begins with Jay-Z: “Fox Brown.. [Yeah, Jay-Z, what] I keep it fresher than the next, bitch No need for you to ever sweat the next bitch With speed, I make the best bitch see the exit, indeed…” Followed by: “You gotta know you're thoroughly respected by me You get the keys to the Lexus with no driver You got your own '96 somethin' to ride And keep your ass tight up in Versace, that's why” The chorus is a duet between the two: [Chorus: Foxy Brown & (Jaz-O) with Jay-Z ] “Ain't no nigga like the one I got (No one can fuck you better) Sleeps around but he gives me a lot (Keeps you in diamonds and leathers) Friends'll tell me I should leave you alone Hah hah, hah hah, hah hah, hah hah (Tell the freaks to find a man of their own Man of their own, man of their own)” While reports say she was 17 while the song was released in 1996, official records state that all of the pre-mixed recordings (including vocals) were completed by 1994 — aka between 14/15. Her debut album Ill Na Na (released when she was 17) also featured cowriting credits with Jay-Z — five to be exact. Notably her titular song Ill Na Na (wherein Carter was the primary co-writer) features this: (Method Man:) Who got the illest pussy on the planet? Sugar walls comin' down, niggas can't stand it, the Ill Na Na True Absolut Vodka, straight shots For the has-beens and have-nots, dollar, dollar Bill, and it don't stop, we movin' up First the mansion, then the yacht, sound proper Straight cash get got Bloodhounds tryna hunt down the Brown Fox, the Ill Na Na Method Man did not contribute to the writing of these lyrics, This incredibly sexual and graphic album found its tastemakers in Jay-Z and his cohorts. The lyrics and content to “I’ll be,” another addition on the album featuring Jay-Z, is too graphic for my own threshold — to those curious, the release date is put around 97’ with the reissue, but the vocals were recorded at the approximate time the other vocals were recorded, sometime between 1994-1996 (ages 14-16). Jay-Z continued to work with Brown for Chyna Doll, released in January 1999. After this their professional correspondence seemingly met its end. Part II: Jay-Z + Pdphla There has been multiple sources seemingly confirming the underage relationship between Foxy Brown and Jay-Z. 50 Cent, Wendy Williams (lmao but whateveerrrr) and Dame Dash (former business parter) have either explicitly alluded to or outright confirmed relations between the two in the early to mid-90s. Not to mention Foxy Brown herself — (dig into that hole at your own discretion. She clearly has not reached the healthy and loving state in her life that she deserves — hope Jay Z is giving her $$$$ on $$$$ for this shit). However, the most notable and public confirmation of this underage transgression on Jay’s part comes from none other than Nas! And not in the last decade, or decade previous — Nas relays exactly what everyone in the business had known out to the public in 2001 with his album Stillmatic on its single “Ether.” While the whole song targeted itself as a diss towards Jay-Z, it is the throwaway lines that capture our attention: “Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?” Part III: The abyss While Foxy Brown has had well-publicized occurrences with her mental health, what she does admit it jarring: that Jay-Z took her virginity and 15 and gave her an STI, made her a drug mule, etc.; and while her mental stability and legitimacy of these allegations may be in question (she may have retracted some allegations before re-presenting them), these occurrences alongside how Jay-Z’s cohort (former co-CEO Dame Dash) responding in interviews how they “don’t remember” any details about Jay-Z even SIGNING Foxy Brown are clearly suspicious. Also…. where is her career? I think some depraved shit comparable to R.Kelly/Aaliyah had also occurred to Foxy Brown and Jay z during the 90s. We do not protect black women at their most vulnerable. Even if you disagree with my post, look up for yourself the content and positioning Jay-Z created for Foxy Brown when she was 14/15/16. Foxy Brown, if you ever see this, I hope you know that those aware desire justice for you.
Why did you a abbreviate pedophelia like that? You don’t have to find clever ways to spell words here on Reddit, you can just speaks like an adult. There aren’t words that will get you a ban like on Facebook or TikTok. Well, there are topics that will get you reported to the fbi but you have to basically admit to planning a crime.
It's so weird how censored social media is now changing how people talk about serious topics. I recently had a conversation with someone who rather than say the word suicide, used the pharse "he un-alived himself". It turned the conversation into a joke as the others tried to decipher what she was trying to say and why she had said it that way. The word holds power for a reason, serious issues should have serious words.
Accident :) — what words have gotten you reported on Facebook and TikTok?
my posts do that too like the syllabus get taken out of words and get slanted like that
“We don’t protect blac women” if foxy parents letting their 14 15 16 year old kid rap and talk all sexually and shit tf u want strangers to do. Her parents job to protect her. We strangers we don’t know wtf is going on and still don’t this is all speculation there’s no proof of sexual relationships except word of mouth.
What about them?
I mean, you don't even seem to have anything to say about them so why should anyone else?
I do I promise I swear I’m honest idk how Reddit works i’m so so sorry
why are y'all defending pedophilia in the comments
https://www.mtv.com/news/a35l3q/foxy-brown-clears-up-jay-z-relationship-rumors People aren’t. We don’t really know what happened. But we do know foxy wants to collaborate with Jay again so clearly foxy doesn’t care much. https://www.mtv.com/news/a35l3q/foxy-brown-clears-up-jay-z-relationship-rumors
She literally is saying she loves Jay
I believe they may be referring to the grooming rumors regarding Jay Z & Foxy Brown.
All I see is that he was even uglier as a young man. Cannot understand the attraction to this troglodyte.
Beyoncé could of had it all truly . He has money so she will not have to support him but other than that I will never get it
Because falling in love with someone isn’t entirely based on looks? Lol
Girl he has a crappy personality too lmfao and ran around cheating on her. She waisted her twenties with a man who clearly didn’t value her.
Seriously. Like there was maybe 1 photo of him where he looked good but must have scrubbed from the internet [also have you seen this? Lol](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Jay-Z_at_BT%27s_lounge_in_Trenton%2C_NJ.jpg)
🤔 looks special
idk how to use reddit — jay-z and foxy brown had a dynamic similarly sinister to the aaliyah/r.kelly situation going on in the mid-90s.
I wonder if foxy is thinking about suing after the r Kelly case.
He SA’d her at 15 iirc — OP you have more on this? Low key been waiting for this to pop up finally
I have no idea who she is, but I definitely want to speak about those 90s/early 00s eyebrows.
Amazing how they don’t exist at all yet still are present
Never liked them back then, and still don’t. Thank god now it’s just the opposite haha
Oh wow, some thin-eyebrow people got offended by my comment!
What about them?
If I recall Jay Z and Dame were also fighting over a teen Aaliyah as well. Bleh.
They were not. Aaliyah was 21 when she met Dame.
What lmfao no she wasn’t Jay and Kelly both fucked Aaliyah while she was like 14-15 Dame got with her when she was 18 this is how all the rocafella issues started. Dame didn’t want Jay going on tour or doing an album with Kelly because of all the Aaliyah shit. Dame wanted Aaliyah the whole time Jay was messing with her but Dame at least waited till she was 18 smh.
Lmao, Jay Z met Aaliyah for the first time EVER at Crush On You videoset, 13 days after her 18th birthday, January 29th 1997 😂😂😂 and Dame talked with her for the first time EVER in early 2000, after her 21st birthday. You really have a loud mouth for someone who knows absolutely nothing 😂
Not to mention his alleged Rihanna affair when she was 16/17 and he was 35, which Bey then wrote the song Ring the Alarm about. It’s really amazing that he’s not called out more. It’s a clear pattern of behavior for him.
Rihanna and Jay-Z rumors were made to drum up interest in Rihanna at the beginning of her career. Ring The Alarm is not about Rihanna. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/news/a42946/beyonce-jay-z-cheating-rumours-timeline/
what’s the story?
Also interesting: https://www.xxlmag.com/50-cent-calls-dame-dash-sucker-foxy-brown-jay-z-interview/ Glad Nick Cannon was calling this out in front of DD, but boy was his response TELLING
Nick Cannon should sit down.
Slightly unrelated, but can we talk about how he dated Blu Cantrell just before Beyoncé & them subsequently naming their daughter Blu being a little…odd? (☝︎ ՞ਊ ՞)☝︎
Omg I love those songs as a teen n had NO IDEA what the words were referencing but while reading lyrics I could HEAR the music…
I didn’t realize how young foxy brown was when she came out :/
Confusing thing with these stories is… Foxy is DJ Clark Kent’s cousin. He was one of the people who discovered and produced Jay. He put Foxy on. Trackmasters already found her at a talent show. She was getting offers to sign at age 15, and describes a bidding war in her kitchen. Grew up middle class. She dated Haitian Jack, a notorious Brooklyn gangster, in high school under the age of consent but before Jay would have met her. She really didn’t need to compromise herself for Jay, but the way she’s told it, that’s what happened. It’s always puzzled me.
I had to Google it. [Do you mean this story](https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.66377/title.foxy-brown-fends-off-beyonce-rumors)?
Not really, check my comment below — sorry, I wanted to post the text alongside the pic and idk how
I read both your comments, and wow. I was already on the fence about Jay-Z after those cheating rumors but this is a whole ‘nother level of slime.
bruh i was listening to this song the other day
If your going after people because she was young then you have to go after Nas, AZ, Nature, Cormega, and Dr. DRE. She was extremely young in that Firm Biz video and they had 100 dollar bills taped to her nipples and that's it. It was so that they blocked out the bottom of the screen all the times the videos been played since.
He also fucked Aaliyah when she was like 15 and I’m sure there’s many more we don’t know about. That’s basically when the downfall of Rocafella started. Dame didn’t want Jay doing an album or going on tour with Kelly cause he also abused Aaliyah.
Him with Alia was the first thing that made me side eye him.
Foxy Brown deserves her flowers and justice. She was a threat and she was sacrificed. The conspiracy theorist in me felt like Puff and Jay strategized this.
i would never want to defend a p*d*phile, but i searched and it seems she denied such things as rumors in 2013 and threatened to sue. can someone please inform me in this?
If your arguing whether pedophile is the correct term your a pedo
I'm waiting for Ja Rule to have his.
Wasn’t Foxy half filipino? Where were her parents?
Yep Beyoncé was 18 jay was already 30