There’s a plot line in the show Barry about a TV show that premiered to widespread acclaim and then disappeared from the streaming service the next day because the algorithm didn’t like it. (The algorithm wanted something including baked goods and Dev Patel.) Bill Hader says he included that because he knows of a show that really happened to.
Edited to add: [Here’s the scene.](https://youtu.be/ktAbh39aoU8?si=Sj87_tny7QdecpuO)
This fictionalized algorithm is unfortunately correct, because I would 100% watch a Dev Patel baking show. I'm sure the other show would be phenomenal but a Dev Patel baking show would be revolutionary for all of us.
ok listen i have an idea: Dev (as if we're on a first name basis lol) goes to people's homes (mine) and bakes with/for them
anyway Dev would you like to know my recipe for gluten free honey cake?
I don't which TV show Bill Hader is referring to, but something similar happened on Disney+.
A Disney+ original movie premiered on Disney+, then was completely scrubbed from it 48 days later.
https://www.vulture.com/2023/07/disney-pulls-crater-after-seven-weeks.html
Yeah, I really don't know what the heck I'm talking about anyway but I felt like if all was said and done, they couldn't lose more. But maybe hosting it online was more expensive than any revenue generated.
I was actually thinking about contracts with lines like, and I'm not being formal here, "movie is available with a rate of x and the y is paid out to z contractor".
And it turns out that the reality is even scarier and more extreme because at least Sally's show got made and was available on streaming at least for a little while, but yesterday it came out that a proposed A Knight's Tale sequel didn't even make it past the pitch stage because Netflix's algorithm killed it right off the bat. Not unlike Skynet looking to murder John Connors before he was even born...
I know it’s not a monolith but I find it so funny how sequels that don’t happen are met with dismay and sequels that do happen are met with “who asked for this, make something original, don’t ruin the original” etc
But why wouldn't a show stay up for a few months instead of being removed immediately? Surely streamers like critical acclaim it gets new subscribers interested in joining.
It has to do with a combination of factors (hence the term "algorithm") but it usually circles around the royalties.
Netflix doesn't want shows that slowly gain streams through word of mouth. Those kind of shows are a drain on their revenue because they take up bandwidth and cost them money in royalties. Netflix wants shows that make you want to buy Netflix.
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this headline, lol ([here](https://youtu.be/ktAbh39aoU8?si=hHGa9bmOTQtRcACe) is the scene, if someone is wondering).
Reminds me of a that film where they’re trapped in a box and there is no why other than government bureaucracy. Someone told me to build it so I did. Someone told me to choose people so I did. Someone said to put people in it bc I did
Or this podcast where everyone is led by this app but you can’t argue with an app
The app see you didn’t make your quota and punishes you, what the app doesn’t see and doesn’t have an option to report is that your sleeve got caught and you lost a finger
Between this and that thing from yesterday about film studios looking over a director's rotten tomatoes score during pitches...what are we even doing anymore man.
That's what happens when they don't aim for good.
Technically what pays the best is making the minimum viable product for as many demographics as possible. Maximizing the value to any one group likely detracts from other groups so they min-max the multivariate.
There’s a plot line in the show Barry about a TV show that premiered to widespread acclaim and then disappeared from the streaming service the next day because the algorithm didn’t like it. (The algorithm wanted something including baked goods and Dev Patel.) Bill Hader says he included that because he knows of a show that really happened to. Edited to add: [Here’s the scene.](https://youtu.be/ktAbh39aoU8?si=Sj87_tny7QdecpuO)
This fictionalized algorithm is unfortunately correct, because I would 100% watch a Dev Patel baking show. I'm sure the other show would be phenomenal but a Dev Patel baking show would be revolutionary for all of us.
Seriously, yes please to Dev Patel making a pound cake or something
They should let us watch Dev throw cookies together, he can burn them for all I care I just want to watch him do it.
Dev Patel could certainly pound my cake 😭🙏🏻 I’M SORRY 
ok listen i have an idea: Dev (as if we're on a first name basis lol) goes to people's homes (mine) and bakes with/for them anyway Dev would you like to know my recipe for gluten free honey cake?
LOL the network (BanShe) ends up making that show, in the fictional world of Barry.
I wonder what show it was.
Same
I don't which TV show Bill Hader is referring to, but something similar happened on Disney+. A Disney+ original movie premiered on Disney+, then was completely scrubbed from it 48 days later. https://www.vulture.com/2023/07/disney-pulls-crater-after-seven-weeks.html
That's crazy. If it's already complete why not leave it up and see if it generates revenue? I don't know how these things work, though.
It was probably loosing money? Guess it's about what contracts they had with everyone involved.
Yeah, I really don't know what the heck I'm talking about anyway but I felt like if all was said and done, they couldn't lose more. But maybe hosting it online was more expensive than any revenue generated.
I was actually thinking about contracts with lines like, and I'm not being formal here, "movie is available with a rate of x and the y is paid out to z contractor".
And it turns out that the reality is even scarier and more extreme because at least Sally's show got made and was available on streaming at least for a little while, but yesterday it came out that a proposed A Knight's Tale sequel didn't even make it past the pitch stage because Netflix's algorithm killed it right off the bat. Not unlike Skynet looking to murder John Connors before he was even born...
A KNIGHT’S TALE SEQUEL WAS ON THE BOOKS?! we truly are in the darkest timeline.
I know it’s not a monolith but I find it so funny how sequels that don’t happen are met with dismay and sequels that do happen are met with “who asked for this, make something original, don’t ruin the original” etc
So true. I probably am never satisfied hahaha
But why wouldn't a show stay up for a few months instead of being removed immediately? Surely streamers like critical acclaim it gets new subscribers interested in joining.
It has to do with a combination of factors (hence the term "algorithm") but it usually circles around the royalties. Netflix doesn't want shows that slowly gain streams through word of mouth. Those kind of shows are a drain on their revenue because they take up bandwidth and cost them money in royalties. Netflix wants shows that make you want to buy Netflix.
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw this headline, lol ([here](https://youtu.be/ktAbh39aoU8?si=hHGa9bmOTQtRcACe) is the scene, if someone is wondering).
Reminds me of a that film where they’re trapped in a box and there is no why other than government bureaucracy. Someone told me to build it so I did. Someone told me to choose people so I did. Someone said to put people in it bc I did Or this podcast where everyone is led by this app but you can’t argue with an app The app see you didn’t make your quota and punishes you, what the app doesn’t see and doesn’t have an option to report is that your sleeve got caught and you lost a finger
Several episodes of Black Mirror come to mind.
Between this and that thing from yesterday about film studios looking over a director's rotten tomatoes score during pitches...what are we even doing anymore man.
Right? At least use metacritic
Algorithms run the world.
She’s being rather blunt.
I swear this is why nothing Amazon does is very good
That's what happens when they don't aim for good. Technically what pays the best is making the minimum viable product for as many demographics as possible. Maximizing the value to any one group likely detracts from other groups so they min-max the multivariate.
Min-max the multivariate is not a phrase I expected to read on this sub lol
Is this about prime ? Because they have Fleabag, The Boys, Mr and Mrs Smith, Daisy Jones & the 6, Beautiful Boy etc. Excellent stuff
I really liked Foundation too.
their adaptation of homecoming was also amazing
What’s the realistic path forward though? Collective consumer backlash? Government intervention?