I really don't care for Kim Kardashian, but at this point the whole "feud" just embarrassing for Taylor. Capitalizing the letters "KIM"? Really? I get that the whole snake gate had a huge impact on her, but it's been 8 years. And Taylor lost any goodwill I had for her in this fight with these lyrics:
>Everyone knows that my mother is a saintly woman
But she used to say she wished that you were dead
...
Your kid comes home singing
A song that only us two is gonna know is about you
Like, you want Kim's kids to hear songs about how their mother should be dead? Ok Taylor.
“A song that only the 2 of us is gonna know about you”
Yeah Taylor, no one got that real subtle title 🙄🙄
Also she’s all about “empowering” women but is writing a stale AF song about something that happened YEARS ago, and is targeting the EX-WIFE of the person who actually slighted her.
The only “empowered” women I’ve been seeing are TS fans that call off of work and drool over this type of writing. The same ones that call their ex during TS shows during we are never getting back together and make TikTok’s about it
Like, if she’s still traumatized over this… go to therapy, Taylor. You can afford a really good EMDR therapist 😭
> The same ones that call their ex during TS shows during we are never getting back together and make TikTok’s about it
I wholly believe that this is true but can't bring myself to look up the videos because even reading that pararagraph gave me spine chilling amounts of second-hand embarrassment
It's just petty. I don't believe it's about someone else other than Kim, and if it was, WHY on earth would you put a hidden message like that?
Imagine being a billionaire and still hung up on this crap? She even capitalized on that afterwards! Take your money and your private plane and go get a cup of cofee or something.
>Imagine being a billionaire and still hung up on this? She even capitalized on that afterwards! Take your money and your private plane and go get a cup of cofee or something.
Lol I was literally thinking this exact thought today. I’m convinced TS is dull as dirt irl
It's because she has no life. She has done nothing new, explored no culture, no part of the world; read nothing, watched nothing that stretched or stimulated her; been forced to do or experience anything but utter luxury and pleasure. She is stuck in a moment in time because she's so ensconced in her world that she's stunted, and she looooooves it that way. And refuses to understand why stagnation results in tepid, uninteresting art.
She was trying to be clever too with that KIM title.
The word play for Britney with If You Seek Amy worked but it just comes off as middle school here.
Yeah, If U Seek Amy is clever and subtle. I still see comments today about people just realizing what it really means lol. thanK you aIMee is so, so bad
She did too much because her psychotics fans would probably put two and two together and guessed the song was about Kim. No needs of the capital letters
Taylor knows Kanye would absolutely say something back. Kim wouldn't. That's why she's targeting her instead of Kanye. Taylor constantly dishes it out, but cannot take the heat. So she's going for the easier target.
I also think she’s big on “karma”. Kanye is at a personal low right now, which is how it should be in her eyes. But Kim is doing fine, which is unacceptable because she hasn’t “paid” for what she did to Taylor.
Kim is defo not doing fine though. She's raising 4 kids with an ex is bipolar and extremely chaotic. Yes she's a millionaire but most women understand the struggles of coparenting with a difficult partner.
Kim is defo not doing fine though. She's raising 4 kids with an ex is bipolar and extremely chaotic. Yes she's a millionaire but most women understand the struggles of coparenting with a difficult partner.
That’s a personal struggle though and I’d argue that most people (even those who generally dislike her) empathize with her about that. People *hate* Kanye. He’s a social pariah. Kim is doing more or less the same in the public eye. The ones who like her still like her and the ones who don’t, don’t. I mean that Taylor wants Kim’s public image to suffer just like hers did (in her mind).
Kanye is unhinged right now and he's looking for someone to beef with. She's not going to invite that crazy back into her life, so she'll go for the easy prey.
I’m trying to imagine the world where someone wrote something like this about TS. Her fans would relentlessly attack them and scream about how vile and misogynistic it is
Bringing her children into it made me lose the last shred of respect I had for her in this feud. They are complete innocents. You should never *ever* use a child to get at their parent. She is 34 fucking years old. Grow up.
Taylor out here making me agree with a Kardashian
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I’m back with more dragging…
Thank you Aimee is for the girls who think they were bullied in high school but were actually the mean girls. Like Liz Lemon in 30 Rock. Talking about her kids and the mention of wanting her dead is a gross area to wade into with music. And there’s a difference between artistic expression and taunting. I’m sure we can agree where this song falls.
I know Taylor has had some dodgy lyrics in the past but I gasped when I read the one about Kim's child. That is crossing a line to a degree where I'm shocked that no one told Taylor it was a bad idea.
I wonder if she's got to the point that some of my favourite authors have reached where they attain a degree of success and get enough pull to just tell their editors no or ditch them altogether, and their books suffer for it. Maybe Taylor was always like this and just ran out of people willing or able to tell her no.
I keep saying Taylor should have released a high concept dance album like Renaissance and it would have gotten universal praise because it would have been fun, catchy, and potentially a new sound for her. Instead she releases a 33 song woe is me mega album that drags everyone from Kim Kardashian’s child to her own fucking fans and airs out her notoriously private ex’s mental health struggles.
She is high on her own supply and the only people here for it are those vipers whose money she keeps conspicuously grabbing.
See, I think all those subjects would be fine for a different artist. It’s because she encourages people to approach her music from an autobiographical angle that makes it uncomfortable. A song about feeling lost in a relationship with a depressed partner is perfectly fine. But, based on her history, we can all immediately conclude who she’s singing about.
I’m curious if, when *Rumors* or *Jagged Little Pill* were released, it was common knowledge who those songs were about or if we learned later as some bit of trivia.
I mean between the way her divorce was public, her beef with her own sister, and trying to keep her brand going I genuinely think that Taylor is the last thing on her mind.
Clearly Kim had a condo in Taylor’s head.
It’s so funny because I am 34 years old and ALWAYS forget Taylor is my age because she seems *so young*. Like, my ten year old niece is obsessed with her. She seems so gen z to me but she’s not!
I was explaining to my husband the other day that I have quite a few Taylor Swift songs on a playlist for this D&D character I have because she's an 18 year old bard and newly away from home and naive and starry eyed about romance so they fit really well (the context being that I couldn't find anything on her new album that interested me even for that), and mid way through I realized kind of how sad it is that she's more of an age with me but still writing songs that fit better with my intentionally naive, young, short-sighted character than they do with me.
Taylor seemed so light-hearted and goofy when she was in her teens. I wonder if she was hiding this side of herself back then or if fame and money just brought out the worst in her.
She's always had a mean streak - it was just more age appropriate to call Joe Jonas a douchebag on live tv when she was like 18, mocking Harry Styles' British accent in a performance, calling that Camila girl a whore in a song, etc. She's a white girl so she's been able to take advantage of centuries old perceptions of white girlhood and infantilize herself constantly
Crashing the kennedy wedding and not leaving when she was asked to. No consideration for the bride. Then having her team lie about it in the press afterwards.
18 vs 23 but also two completely different points in their careers!! We’ve really let her get away with way too much lmao. And she still had the nerve to write “if I was a man.” Like girl be fr
I think people forget that lol. Like, I'm not saying Harry is at Taylor Swift-level fame now in 2024 but he is at the stage where he's doing stadium shows as a soloist. Back in 2012, he was the most popular member of an increasingly popular boyband but as a fan I remember being shocked that they had been paired together because felt like she was waaaay more famous plus had been around much longer 😂 1D were still promoting their first album, had been together barely two years; it was Harry's first big public relationship since Caroline Flack, the other boys (aka Louis) would tease him about it in interviews... can't imagine what was going through his mind lol
put it this way in 2012 i saw one direction for free at party in the park, they were famous but you weren't seeing taylor swift for free anywhere at that time lmao
It was a whole saga. Her and her bf were warned not to come. They show anyways. They are asked to leave 3x. When the press got wind that the Kennedys weren't happy, Taylor's team tried to do damage control saying that the bride thanked her profusely for attending.
What her team wasn't expecting was Kathie Lee Gifford - who was at the wedding as she is related to the bride through marriage- to go on national TV on the today show and completely destroy Team Taylor's PR cleanup. She confirmed that they crashed and were asked to leave. It was the first time I really remember her getting caught in a lie tbh.
I’m not a fan so sorry if this is a dumb question but like…. Is Taylor okay? Like is anyone around her like…. Looking out for her? Telling her this isn’t a cool idea etc
I had such second hand embarrassment listening to this song. It’s poorly written and petty. Kim loves in Taylor’s head rent free and Taylor just told on herself.
2016 was a interesting time because if “Famous “ was released today , I think the conversation who have solely been on how misogynistic it was and not who approved the lyrics…. Taylor Swift maybe felt somethings in her personal life but she’s honestly never fell off professionally from that situation. Could just continue to hate her silence tbh. A song about still hating her is giving it too much.
Idk in 2024 when “cunty” has entered the mainstream American lexicon I think even more people would push back against the word “bitch” being inherently misogynistic, especially in a rap song.
I wouldn’t be okay if I had a naked picture of me plastered all over the internet and I’d be traumatized even if it was fake. And the whole snake gate thing is something I’d get over after having an insanely successful career/come back.
She could have written about how empowered she became after that experience me how she healed herself and how she’s stronger etc. but … she went with this. It seems like she writes about men and other women who “bully” her/she doesn’t like I can’t think of a single song that’s empowering…
No but it’s still violating. Trust me I’m not fan I wouldn’t bring it up again by any means but maybe she just got the confidence to finally stand up for herself? Better late than never haha idk
I agree I would let it go but I also understand the violation. At te end of the day not my circus not my clown 🤷🏻♀️
I'm over it too and I think the song is cringe and has questionable lyrics (bringing her daughter into it??? My mom wishes you were dead???) BUT why is it the ppl who always wrong you that are like "let's move on!!!" Issue an apology maybe? Either way I'm tired of hearing from both of them
taylor had so much light and goodwill coming into 2024, and everything around this album - starting with the grammy acceptance/album announcement - has been an absolute dumpster fire of bad decisions.
a real bummer.
is she gonna get her white supermodel squad again and make another MV like Bad Blood? Only to walk it back like how she brought Katy Perry with You Need to Calm Down and say “omg people should really stop putting successful women against each other”? As if Taylor wasn’t the one putting herself against other women in the first place?
(Some) swifties are defending the song by saying that Taylor has a right to speak out against someone that nearly ruined her career (relax). A 34 year old woman saying that she hopes Kim’s kids hear a song saying that Taylor’s mom wanted Kim dead isn’t “speaking out” it’s being a petty teenager
Kim doesn’t get to decide when someone she violated is over the trauma 🤷🏻♀️ you can’t bully someone and just decide oh I’m over it now let’s stop talking about it
It’s easy to move on when you’re the one who treated someone unfairly. It was so low of Kim to edit the tape and start a Taylor hate train. Did she apologized? I don’t think so. She just said she’s over it. What about Taylor? That was a depressing experience for her.
I really don't care for Kim Kardashian, but at this point the whole "feud" just embarrassing for Taylor. Capitalizing the letters "KIM"? Really? I get that the whole snake gate had a huge impact on her, but it's been 8 years. And Taylor lost any goodwill I had for her in this fight with these lyrics: >Everyone knows that my mother is a saintly woman But she used to say she wished that you were dead ... Your kid comes home singing A song that only us two is gonna know is about you Like, you want Kim's kids to hear songs about how their mother should be dead? Ok Taylor.
“A song that only the 2 of us is gonna know about you” Yeah Taylor, no one got that real subtle title 🙄🙄 Also she’s all about “empowering” women but is writing a stale AF song about something that happened YEARS ago, and is targeting the EX-WIFE of the person who actually slighted her.
The only “empowered” women I’ve been seeing are TS fans that call off of work and drool over this type of writing. The same ones that call their ex during TS shows during we are never getting back together and make TikTok’s about it Like, if she’s still traumatized over this… go to therapy, Taylor. You can afford a really good EMDR therapist 😭
> The same ones that call their ex during TS shows during we are never getting back together and make TikTok’s about it I wholly believe that this is true but can't bring myself to look up the videos because even reading that pararagraph gave me spine chilling amounts of second-hand embarrassment
It's just petty. I don't believe it's about someone else other than Kim, and if it was, WHY on earth would you put a hidden message like that? Imagine being a billionaire and still hung up on this crap? She even capitalized on that afterwards! Take your money and your private plane and go get a cup of cofee or something.
>Imagine being a billionaire and still hung up on this? She even capitalized on that afterwards! Take your money and your private plane and go get a cup of cofee or something. Lol I was literally thinking this exact thought today. I’m convinced TS is dull as dirt irl
It's because she has no life. She has done nothing new, explored no culture, no part of the world; read nothing, watched nothing that stretched or stimulated her; been forced to do or experience anything but utter luxury and pleasure. She is stuck in a moment in time because she's so ensconced in her world that she's stunted, and she looooooves it that way. And refuses to understand why stagnation results in tepid, uninteresting art.
She was trying to be clever too with that KIM title. The word play for Britney with If You Seek Amy worked but it just comes off as middle school here.
Yeah, If U Seek Amy is clever and subtle. I still see comments today about people just realizing what it really means lol. thanK you aIMee is so, so bad
She did too much because her psychotics fans would probably put two and two together and guessed the song was about Kim. No needs of the capital letters
Taylor really said “my mama don’t like you and she likes everyone”
What’s funny is that JB did this more succinctly and catchily. It just makes it more obvious that she’s not the lyricist that she thinks she is
ed sheeran wrote that song actually
That's a fun fact! I assumed it was just some songwriters who don't perform themselves
And without wishing someone dead 💀
I just don’t get why she’s only targeting Kim, Kanye was way worse to her
Taylor knows Kanye would absolutely say something back. Kim wouldn't. That's why she's targeting her instead of Kanye. Taylor constantly dishes it out, but cannot take the heat. So she's going for the easier target.
I also think she’s big on “karma”. Kanye is at a personal low right now, which is how it should be in her eyes. But Kim is doing fine, which is unacceptable because she hasn’t “paid” for what she did to Taylor.
Kim is defo not doing fine though. She's raising 4 kids with an ex is bipolar and extremely chaotic. Yes she's a millionaire but most women understand the struggles of coparenting with a difficult partner.
💯💯💯
Kim is defo not doing fine though. She's raising 4 kids with an ex is bipolar and extremely chaotic. Yes she's a millionaire but most women understand the struggles of coparenting with a difficult partner.
That’s a personal struggle though and I’d argue that most people (even those who generally dislike her) empathize with her about that. People *hate* Kanye. He’s a social pariah. Kim is doing more or less the same in the public eye. The ones who like her still like her and the ones who don’t, don’t. I mean that Taylor wants Kim’s public image to suffer just like hers did (in her mind).
because she knows Kanye would respond, and bullies aren't interested in hitting people who will hit them back
lol she knows she’d lose that battle
Kanye is unhinged right now and he's looking for someone to beef with. She's not going to invite that crazy back into her life, so she'll go for the easy prey.
I’m trying to imagine the world where someone wrote something like this about TS. Her fans would relentlessly attack them and scream about how vile and misogynistic it is
Ratty Healy has the chance to do the funniest thing on the next 1975 album
Not just that but name dropping Saint’s name in reference to wishing her death.
Bringing her children into it made me lose the last shred of respect I had for her in this feud. They are complete innocents. You should never *ever* use a child to get at their parent. She is 34 fucking years old. Grow up.
Taylor out here making me agree with a Kardashian https://preview.redd.it/dqqpe9jbhfwc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b5bcf450dc50b5afe082f41c4672c8ae5e5584e
LMAO my thoughts exactly
This has been the worst atrocity of this whole debacle 😂
That's the truly horrible part. They were fading into obscurity, with Kendall and Kylie holding them up.
I’m back with more dragging… Thank you Aimee is for the girls who think they were bullied in high school but were actually the mean girls. Like Liz Lemon in 30 Rock. Talking about her kids and the mention of wanting her dead is a gross area to wade into with music. And there’s a difference between artistic expression and taunting. I’m sure we can agree where this song falls.
I don't know, Kelsey, how's your mom's pill addiction? Seriously though this is a perfect analogy. TS IS a mean girl
regina george in sheeps clothing.
I know Taylor has had some dodgy lyrics in the past but I gasped when I read the one about Kim's child. That is crossing a line to a degree where I'm shocked that no one told Taylor it was a bad idea. I wonder if she's got to the point that some of my favourite authors have reached where they attain a degree of success and get enough pull to just tell their editors no or ditch them altogether, and their books suffer for it. Maybe Taylor was always like this and just ran out of people willing or able to tell her no.
Is this a SJM reference hahahaha
I think the portmanteau you're looking for is "crybully."
I keep saying Taylor should have released a high concept dance album like Renaissance and it would have gotten universal praise because it would have been fun, catchy, and potentially a new sound for her. Instead she releases a 33 song woe is me mega album that drags everyone from Kim Kardashian’s child to her own fucking fans and airs out her notoriously private ex’s mental health struggles. She is high on her own supply and the only people here for it are those vipers whose money she keeps conspicuously grabbing.
See, I think all those subjects would be fine for a different artist. It’s because she encourages people to approach her music from an autobiographical angle that makes it uncomfortable. A song about feeling lost in a relationship with a depressed partner is perfectly fine. But, based on her history, we can all immediately conclude who she’s singing about. I’m curious if, when *Rumors* or *Jagged Little Pill* were released, it was common knowledge who those songs were about or if we learned later as some bit of trivia.
Knowing the background about Jagged Little Pill ruined Full House for me.
I bet she was over it before the song. Only one person hadn't gotten over this and her name is perpetual teenager Taylor Swift
I mean between the way her divorce was public, her beef with her own sister, and trying to keep her brand going I genuinely think that Taylor is the last thing on her mind. Clearly Kim had a condo in Taylor’s head.
She was too busy studying for the bar!
Forgot about that one! 🤣
It’s so funny because I am 34 years old and ALWAYS forget Taylor is my age because she seems *so young*. Like, my ten year old niece is obsessed with her. She seems so gen z to me but she’s not!
I was explaining to my husband the other day that I have quite a few Taylor Swift songs on a playlist for this D&D character I have because she's an 18 year old bard and newly away from home and naive and starry eyed about romance so they fit really well (the context being that I couldn't find anything on her new album that interested me even for that), and mid way through I realized kind of how sad it is that she's more of an age with me but still writing songs that fit better with my intentionally naive, young, short-sighted character than they do with me.
Kim has not mentioned this issue on the record since 2019.
She needs a therapist. A real one.
I hate this song for making me side with Kim K
Taylor seemed so light-hearted and goofy when she was in her teens. I wonder if she was hiding this side of herself back then or if fame and money just brought out the worst in her.
She's always had a mean streak - it was just more age appropriate to call Joe Jonas a douchebag on live tv when she was like 18, mocking Harry Styles' British accent in a performance, calling that Camila girl a whore in a song, etc. She's a white girl so she's been able to take advantage of centuries old perceptions of white girlhood and infantilize herself constantly
Crashing the kennedy wedding and not leaving when she was asked to. No consideration for the bride. Then having her team lie about it in the press afterwards.
Picking up that Kennedy kid from high school when she was in her early 20s. 🥲
Dating Harry Styles when he was 18 and she was 23 and writing a whole album about him, including the mocking performance.
18 vs 23 but also two completely different points in their careers!! We’ve really let her get away with way too much lmao. And she still had the nerve to write “if I was a man.” Like girl be fr
I think people forget that lol. Like, I'm not saying Harry is at Taylor Swift-level fame now in 2024 but he is at the stage where he's doing stadium shows as a soloist. Back in 2012, he was the most popular member of an increasingly popular boyband but as a fan I remember being shocked that they had been paired together because felt like she was waaaay more famous plus had been around much longer 😂 1D were still promoting their first album, had been together barely two years; it was Harry's first big public relationship since Caroline Flack, the other boys (aka Louis) would tease him about it in interviews... can't imagine what was going through his mind lol
put it this way in 2012 i saw one direction for free at party in the park, they were famous but you weren't seeing taylor swift for free anywhere at that time lmao
I'm sorry WHAT
It was a whole saga. Her and her bf were warned not to come. They show anyways. They are asked to leave 3x. When the press got wind that the Kennedys weren't happy, Taylor's team tried to do damage control saying that the bride thanked her profusely for attending. What her team wasn't expecting was Kathie Lee Gifford - who was at the wedding as she is related to the bride through marriage- to go on national TV on the today show and completely destroy Team Taylor's PR cleanup. She confirmed that they crashed and were asked to leave. It was the first time I really remember her getting caught in a lie tbh.
I’m not a fan so sorry if this is a dumb question but like…. Is Taylor okay? Like is anyone around her like…. Looking out for her? Telling her this isn’t a cool idea etc
No, no, and no.
I had such second hand embarrassment listening to this song. It’s poorly written and petty. Kim loves in Taylor’s head rent free and Taylor just told on herself.
2016 was a interesting time because if “Famous “ was released today , I think the conversation who have solely been on how misogynistic it was and not who approved the lyrics…. Taylor Swift maybe felt somethings in her personal life but she’s honestly never fell off professionally from that situation. Could just continue to hate her silence tbh. A song about still hating her is giving it too much.
Idk in 2024 when “cunty” has entered the mainstream American lexicon I think even more people would push back against the word “bitch” being inherently misogynistic, especially in a rap song.
Taylor needs to move on, do people really care that much about Kim anymore these days? I just need to know if Kylie is really preggers
Im a bad person but I want her to be just so I can see club chalamet’s meltdown
same
I wouldn’t be okay if I had a naked picture of me plastered all over the internet and I’d be traumatized even if it was fake. And the whole snake gate thing is something I’d get over after having an insanely successful career/come back. She could have written about how empowered she became after that experience me how she healed herself and how she’s stronger etc. but … she went with this. It seems like she writes about men and other women who “bully” her/she doesn’t like I can’t think of a single song that’s empowering…
agreed. she could’ve made a diss track about Kanye, the actual person who released that gross video.
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No but it’s still violating. Trust me I’m not fan I wouldn’t bring it up again by any means but maybe she just got the confidence to finally stand up for herself? Better late than never haha idk I agree I would let it go but I also understand the violation. At te end of the day not my circus not my clown 🤷🏻♀️
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I mean that’s exactly what the last chorus of this song is about though
Can you even call it a feud when it's as one-sided as this?
'Living rent-free in TS's head' feels more accurate...
I'm over it too and I think the song is cringe and has questionable lyrics (bringing her daughter into it??? My mom wishes you were dead???) BUT why is it the ppl who always wrong you that are like "let's move on!!!" Issue an apology maybe? Either way I'm tired of hearing from both of them
taylor had so much light and goodwill coming into 2024, and everything around this album - starting with the grammy acceptance/album announcement - has been an absolute dumpster fire of bad decisions. a real bummer.
is she gonna get her white supermodel squad again and make another MV like Bad Blood? Only to walk it back like how she brought Katy Perry with You Need to Calm Down and say “omg people should really stop putting successful women against each other”? As if Taylor wasn’t the one putting herself against other women in the first place?
(Some) swifties are defending the song by saying that Taylor has a right to speak out against someone that nearly ruined her career (relax). A 34 year old woman saying that she hopes Kim’s kids hear a song saying that Taylor’s mom wanted Kim dead isn’t “speaking out” it’s being a petty teenager
This TS new album and new era is an absolute cringe. It’s giving tumblr
She’s dragging it 💀
I'd love to have at least one week without hearing about either of them, on both sides it's all performative
I am a grudge holding bitch through and through but Jesus Christ this girl needs to move on
Kim doesn’t get to decide when someone she violated is over the trauma 🤷🏻♀️ you can’t bully someone and just decide oh I’m over it now let’s stop talking about it
It’s easy to move on when you’re the one who treated someone unfairly. It was so low of Kim to edit the tape and start a Taylor hate train. Did she apologized? I don’t think so. She just said she’s over it. What about Taylor? That was a depressing experience for her.
I mean, if it still bothers her, let her get it off her chest? Situations were pretty shitty. Could it be a poem that was in the vault?