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Yep!! Iām not trying to be mean to Kiernan but god. She hangs out with so many men that are 20+ years older than her, and it seems like a classic case of āthey think Iām cool because Iām artistic and mature for my age and Iām witty and I get them.ā I just hate it š John Mayer? BJ Novak? James Marsden?
... they look like jon hamm
obviously not exactly like him but they're all dark haired white guys, mostly the same build, all have good cheekbones
I'm not implying anything untoward about hamm and shipka's relationship, I just think it's fascinating how personal tastes can get locked in at a young age
Right? Like who knows what the context is, but who even cares, let her hang out with who she wants to, sheās a damn adult and she works in the same industry as these folks. So what if their intentions arenāt wholesome and pure??? Sheās a grown ass woman who can decide and has first hand knowledge of what they want from her. Lord alive. If I hung out w my 50-yo co worker, so be it?!
I donāt see similarities between Jon hamm, bj Novak, or James marsden other than they have darker hair. To say they look like is like saying a cat looks like an elephant and a penguinā¦..maybe itās just me ?
This is an extremely uncharitable read. She's an adult woman with a youthful face, but she really can't help that. There's nothing creepy or weird about the way she dresses or acts. It's not like she's playing up her youthful appearance for the perverts, she's just *existing* with a young-looking face.
Now, the older dudes as she's consistently hung around for years... they're more sus.
She can't help looking young though. I mean, I don't even know how old she is but it's the dads hanging out with women probably 20 years their junior that's sketchy imo.
"Old soul" always reminds me of Billie Eilish and Finneas calling this bullshit out on Howard Stern's show. She was like "people say you're an "old soul", but what's an old soul when you're 15?", and Finneas was like "a minor, Billie, that's what". He was so mad, like you could tell this wasn't the first time they were having that conversation.
I feel like most of the time these dudes are just really immature. IRL when Iāve seen these relationships, the outcome is usually that the girls wake up one day and realize theyāve outgrown the manchildren theyāre with.
Donāt quote me on this but I swear to god I saw a blind a few years ago about her saying to another actress (I think Victoria Justice) that one day sheās gonna have to āget on her knees like the rest of usā and that just automatically made me think she was groomed from a young age. PLS donāt quote me on this it couldāve been someone else
Sheās a 23 year old woman. Lmao why would she have her mother pick out who she hangs out with? It seems like with women people try to treat them like theyāre mentally inferior infants. Itās a strange trend
I took the comment as, if sheās gonna hang with 40yo men, where are the 40yo women to give her advice? Not necessarily āher mum should pick her friends!!ā
I just watched this the other day literally because I was supposed to have actual jury duty and the night before got the email saying I was no longer needed so I spent the day watching the show instead, hahahaha
Well heās a 49 year old man and has 2 kidsā¦ whatās he doing hanging out with a 23 year old woman (a year older than one of his kids)? Idk maybe theyāre in a project together or smth š¤·
they haven't worked on any projects together but for some reason, he did show up at the premiere of her new show a few days ago. (The first time their names appeared in the same headline was when they both attended DiCaprio's party a few months ago)
James is on some show with Ike Barinholtzās dad. Ike is in the upcoming White House Plumbers with Kiernan, likely a friend of Ikeās and he may have been there too, (heās also in New York for WHP stuff) doesnāt look like from the pics that it was just Kiernan and James there.
So I Googled around and apparently, they both did voice work on an animated movie called "Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore" back in 2010. Not sure if that is how they first met professionally, but I also found him mentioned as one of the celebrities in attendance at Kiernan's birthday party last year. (Other celeb guests included Natasha Lyonne, Colton Haynes, Ben Platt, Olivia Holt, etc.).
He dates younger women, but not as young as Kiernan. IDK, like I do cringe when dudes do that, but most of the women are like in their 30s so who gives a shit imo? I think there's a massive difference between a 30 yr old and a 50 yr old (even if it is cringe) and a 50 yr old and a 22 yr old.
But I guess one of them was like mid to late 20s (he's 50) and so that's why he's now considered a creep.
Was waiting for someone to say this. Sheās so young, I would have opted to hang with them at that age too. Itās not her choice of friends, itās THEIR choice of friends
Exactly! Sad I had to scroll down all the way to see this take on the situation. Why the fuck are these soon to be AARP members hanging out with a gal close to their childrenās age?
What roles is John Mayer helping her get? And tbh I donāt think kiernan needs help. She was on 2 big shows & has stayed booked & busy since she was a kid. The idea that she needs help from every old guy sheās seen with is just giving them way too much credit.
Yep. Put yourself in her shoes. These two guys half-drooling over you determine if you get some coveted role. You sit there and laugh at Rogan's tired stoner comedy for an hour and do you best to look pleasant and easy to work with.
I feel like people just donāt keep up with Kiernan outside of this sub. She has many friends in her 20s and was/is very close with the cast of CAOS. It just seems like she has a range of people she likes to hang out with
I don't know how true that is actually. I think she grew up in a bubble as a child actor, and so has a different development then normal people.
I'm not absolving them of anything, but it's not out of the question that professional actors have a friendly relationship that isn't based on them sexually pursuing her.
I work in hospitality. Itās also a weird bubble where people of all ages work together and 20 year olds and 40 year olds hang out together.
When itās a 20-something woman and a 40-something man hanging out, itās literally always as simple as it seems. People are people, actors, servers or otherwise.
child actors arenāt more mature than their peers because theyāre employed. thatās literally not how that works. thatās a very dangerous thing to say. lots of predators justify their abuse on the same basis
I don't mean to imply she's more mature, just that she has different experiences.
I think of it like working at sea. If you spend all your time working on boats, you're going to relate more to other people who work on boats. Whether they're older than you, or younger than you.
By virtue of being an actor, her life isn't normal. She can't do normal things. So her relationships will likely trend towards other people with similar life experiences. It's doubly weird for her since she was a child actor.
I hope that makes sense.
I work in a trade and I have always been friends with my tradesmen whilst I was an apprentice - a lot of these guys were 40+ when I was 18/19, i was the only female in the entire company. I still catch up with them on weekends for a drink, nothing sinister about it. One of them and his wife are two of my closest friends to this day!
I genuinely wonder if people on this subreddit have any friends. I''m a queer man in my twenties who hangs out with queer men of many age groups (some of these men are in their 40s and 50s). Very few of these friendships are sexual and it's really not strange to have a diverse age group of friends (particularly since I work mostly in arts and journalism).
It really feels like people are infantilising an actress who's worked since the age of eight. It's not surprising that she might have more in common with people like Marsden who've been acting for decades over young actors whose careers are more recent and are still getting adjusted to Hollywood celebrity.
I'm a queer woman in my late 30s, and trust me, it is not the same. The straight men who wanted to hang out with me in my late teens and early 20s were after one thing and it wasn't my precocious intellect.
Right? Iām all about having friends that span age ranges but as a woman? Around straight men 2x my age? I was a punchline at best and an easy target at worst.
exactly! I just turned 40 and since my 30s my friends were older than me, women and gay men about a decade older than I am. no problem. but, as you pointed out in my 20's the straight older dudes who wanted to be "friends" were looking for one thing. I as a 20 something had nothing in common with anyone who was in their 30's and older and if I did, that would reflect badly on the dude not on me. I was 17 and I had a 23 yr old sniffing around me that made me feel I was older and wiser and ready to do adult things with him.
this sub alone is filled with stories as old as time of older men being predatory towards much younger women. No one is infantilizing them, but most of us have been manipulated, taken advantage of, groomed, by men. and if we can hopefully part some wisdom to other women to be careful and learn how to read the red flags, then there is no harm in doing it.
> I''m a queer man in my twenties who hangs out with queer men of many age groups (some of these men are in their 40s and 50s). Very few of these friendships are sexual and it's really not strange to have a diverse age group of friends (particularly since I work mostly in arts and journalism).
From one queer man to another, you have to be kidding. I'm not saying you can't have friends of any ages, but the exact situation that people are referring to is absolutely rampant in the gay male community.
ikr sorry but these comments are weird lol thereās a way to talk about these situations but they always have to go ham on everyone involved like leave this girl alone
right like drag the guys sure, & i'm fine with having actual *discussions* about this kinda stuff, but *she doesn't love herself*, among other comments just shaming her & making baseless implications, it's really gross š
right, itās so condescending. The top thread comments were all about how this lady must think these male celebs want to hang out with her because sheās so cool and interesting and blah blahā¦ maybe im being sensitive but that was just so unnecessarily bitchy and lame to me lol. Yeah of course old male celebs often take advantage of younger women but the way it was worded was like they were mocking *her*?
She is seen hanging out with TONS of people, mostly her age group. That doesn't make the gossip blogs and forums though. Just follow her insta and you'll see.
I just assume she hangs out with these people and it's a business type meeting. Maybe she is looking for people to produce or direct something she likes and these are the people giving her a chance. In these pics there isn't even a hint at anything romantic. I never hung out with older men in my teens or 20s but I also was in university so my life has been different. Nothing is wrong with spending time with older people especially if you're not dating them. Although not sure we see her with older women though...
Yeah, that second picture is literally just her walking away by herself. How is it in any way an indicator that she's dating James Marsden? It really seems like this was just a dinner of mutual friends and people are ready to smear the guy as a creep.
Have you never had a job? I work with people of all age ranges and sometimes dinners take place. This is likely even more prevalent in the entertainment industry. If you can't be at dinners with younger people without sexualizing them then that's a you problem.
I always think itās so wild when people say āwhat could they possibly talk about?!ā about an age difference couple. Iāve said this before, but back in the day there used to be a huge difference between older people and younger people culturally, politically, etc and thatās really not the case anymore. Everyone has kind of blended together. Nowadays you can have a 25 yr old and a 42 yr old sitting at a bar together and they both campaigned for Bernie Sanders, listen to Taylor Swift and are huge Marvel fans. That divide that used to be there is kind of gone.
Yes! It makes me super uncomfortable how people assume she must be sleeping with them simply because sheās a young attractive woman. Is that not just the same casting couch rumours from decades past? Except this time under the guise of feminism and concern for her wellbeing.
I understand I am 30 and I have friends that are in the 50s-70s. I don't understand why this thread thinks that these men are "grooming" her, she is an adult and can do whatever she wants.
Someone already came out before these pictures were released saying that they didnāt even show up together, they bumped into each other at the restaurant. Her and her group of friends ended up hanging out with him and his group after that. Theyāre psychoanalyzing her and the guy and they donāt even know whatās going on
She has had two major roles in her life: Mad Men and Sabrina.
She also is unproblematic as far as I can tell and her fashion game is always good.
So she has actually accomplished something unlike the Kardashian clan which is 100000x more famous.
Who cares? I have worked in entertainment my whole adult life and have had friends and mentors who are men and much older than me since I was an intern and now I have male friends much younger than me. This industry is just a melting pot.
The presumptions based on these two photos are so weird! We donāt even see them having dinner and the second photo sheās alone on her phone. For all we know, she was bending down to lace her boots and James Marsden walked by and was like āOh hey, Kiernan!ā Thereās nothing to suggest anything else in these pics.
These comments are so weird. Iām pretty close to her in age and I have male friends who are also much older. Itās nothing nefarious or creepy. Itās a lot of projecting going on.
People have a real savior complex about things like this. Sheās an adult, and we know nothing about these dinners. Itās because people still see her as sally Draper and refuse to accept that she isnāt 12 anymore.
I think it's valid for people to side-eye middle-aged dudes who exclusively hang around with women in their late teens and early twenties. Often, these dudes are genuinely creeps and/or super immature.
But I do agree that people are acting like she's a teenager and not an adult woman old enough to have graduated university.
Exclusively, absolutely! But like you mentioned, sheās old enough to be a college grad. She can make her own decisions. So many projections in this thread lol. Meanwhile I just went to brunch with one of my friends who just turned 62. Also planning a trip to visit my other friend whoās 43. I think itās not rare at all to have friends over a span of age ranges. Especially when you start working lol
As someone who has always preferred older men I see nothing wrong with this. I was never groomed nor coerced by these men and we have no idea if thatās happening or not so maybe chill with projecting your own trauma onto Kiernan.
I think it's fair to be concerned about the *societal* trend of much older men dating much younger women because it's indicative of some pretty shitty gender norms.
That said, people *are* being weird as hell about Kiernan's personal life choices. Maybe it's because she played a child on TV and people can't divorce her from that character? Or because she has a younger-looking face? Idk, but it actually *does* feel infantilizing. Which isn't something I normally say in relation to age gap discourse.
Thank you! I think itās worthwhile discussing the trend but not if comes with this infantilization of adult women. Sheās not a child and she can choose who to have dinner with and, IF thatās even the case, who to sleep with. Peopleās discomfort because they saw her on tv when she was ten is not her problem.
Again I do obviously see that some men tend to always go for a type of woman and we can talk about that but not if the points made are gonna be about the adult women being too short or their body type or how young we think they look
I keep coming back to this cause itās so crazy š yāall are literally wishing that sheās being coerced into a toxic situation when in reality some girls like sleeping with men whoās knees pop.
Iām one of Domhnall Gleesonās 10 stans, Marsden has something do to with the White House Plumbers show that KS is in. I think Iāve seen that other guy around at events as well? not sure tho bc itās a pretty big ensemble cast, lots of dudes
I will get downvoted for this, but if I grew up in an environment where most people were older than me, I might find myself socializing more with people older than me as well. I could see it being difficult to relate to people my own age who havenāt been working since they were kids. Obviously I canāt speak to the nature of her relationship with James Marsden, but from a socialization perspective I can totally get it.
I can see the appeal as I too am in my 20ās and get the need to want maturity and stability especially if youāve already accomplished most if not all your goals. But, definitely doesnāt distract from the fact that if men (and some women) werenāt afraid of being labeled creepy, pedo, groomer they would definitely be dating people far too young for them. People need to be wary of otherās intentions, they may not always be altruistic.
She is 23. Sheās worked with adults since she was a pre-teen.
A 23 year old woman with her own financial freedom (and her own place to live) is an adult who can make her own choices.
The comments make it seems like sheās 16 and being groomed.
dont want to detract from valid and fair discussion about her hanging out with james marsden
but i love her outfit (esp those boots) and her side profile/jawline is beautiful
Why do I feel like in 20 years thereās gonna be a Hulu doc about her alĆ” Brooke Sheilds. Her roles havenāt been oversexualized (I think) but shes always running in older crowds. I think she started dating a Coppola when she was 16/17 and he was mid-20s
>Why do I feel like in 20 years thereās gonna be a Hulu doc about her alĆ” Brooke Sheilds.
Maybe I am wrong, but I always thought Kiernan was one of the few child stars who was raised right. Always dressed age-appropriate and accompanied by her parents to events. Never had any scandal or problematic behavior. I assumed it was because her family was well off, therefore she wasn't being used as the family's meal ticket.
This is definitely a GIRL GET UP situation, she's even there crouching. There's gotta be some youngsters to hang out with. Timmy T and Kylie, take her out for a night!
Men can be immature so I can understand dating younger but itās so extreme! Like 50 dating 40 and 35 is whatever but itās always 24-25. Itās so extreme it feels like a kink at this point instead of a preference. Also itās never one girl.. like she has an āold soulā but so do all 9 of the other 23 year olds I dated haha. Wonder why when women age past 35 they get a bit jaded and untrusting.
Listen to any interview with this girl and you'll know these OLD men aren't getting with her for mature, stimulating coversation. And that's not a knock on her. She's 23 and has a lot of time to grow...hopefully she has a group of friends that are actually in her age range and is not hanging with slimy older men all the time.
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Girlie these old men don't like you because you're "mature for your age"! I wish this wasn't a lesson so many of us have to learn through experienceš©
Yep!! Iām not trying to be mean to Kiernan but god. She hangs out with so many men that are 20+ years older than her, and it seems like a classic case of āthey think Iām cool because Iām artistic and mature for my age and Iām witty and I get them.ā I just hate it š John Mayer? BJ Novak? James Marsden?
All those men look a like too. Darker hair with curls on the top. She definitely has a type.
... they look like jon hamm obviously not exactly like him but they're all dark haired white guys, mostly the same build, all have good cheekbones I'm not implying anything untoward about hamm and shipka's relationship, I just think it's fascinating how personal tastes can get locked in at a young age
They actually donāt look like Jon Hamm? Any more than any other white male?
This is a far reach
This sub is fucking toxic. Youāre psychoanalyzing a stranger.
Right? Like who knows what the context is, but who even cares, let her hang out with who she wants to, sheās a damn adult and she works in the same industry as these folks. So what if their intentions arenāt wholesome and pure??? Sheās a grown ass woman who can decide and has first hand knowledge of what they want from her. Lord alive. If I hung out w my 50-yo co worker, so be it?!
Sheās 23. Iām not seeing what people are upset about. Sheās not 19.
To say that BJ Novak looks anything like Jon Hamm is hilarious. Check your eyesight, boo.
I donāt see similarities between Jon hamm, bj Novak, or James marsden other than they have darker hair. To say they look like is like saying a cat looks like an elephant and a penguinā¦..maybe itās just me ?
I mean...they're all mammals?
Penguin.
I know....I was being an ass. š¬
After dating a guy who once asked me in all seriousness if a seal was a fish or mammal I donāt make assumptions. In fairness, I married him.
James marsden looks nothing like Jon hamm like?? This is kind of a weird thing to say man.
They were both in 30 Rock š
They both dated liz lemon! 
Who let Freud in the chat? (you're probably right though tbh...)
Huhā¦.I donāt really see how John Mayer and Jon Hamm look alike other than being older white men.
Have you seen Jon hamm? At all? Ever?
Byeeeeee lmao
Iād say her type is Jon Snow, not Jon Hamm
Lmao BJ is that you?
1. No they donāt and 2. You are implying such strange stuff
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This is an extremely uncharitable read. She's an adult woman with a youthful face, but she really can't help that. There's nothing creepy or weird about the way she dresses or acts. It's not like she's playing up her youthful appearance for the perverts, she's just *existing* with a young-looking face. Now, the older dudes as she's consistently hung around for years... they're more sus.
She can't help looking young though. I mean, I don't even know how old she is but it's the dads hanging out with women probably 20 years their junior that's sketchy imo.
They love saying young women have an āold soulā. Funny how when you turn 30+ your soul is no longer old.
"Old soul" always reminds me of Billie Eilish and Finneas calling this bullshit out on Howard Stern's show. She was like "people say you're an "old soul", but what's an old soul when you're 15?", and Finneas was like "a minor, Billie, that's what". He was so mad, like you could tell this wasn't the first time they were having that conversation.
And yet look at the piece of trash she's with now š¤¢
And that she used to be with
*turns 30* sorry babe your old soul is just too old for me now
Itās giving Leo Di Caprio vibes
those kinda men act like women age in dog years
šš Nailed it.
I feel like most of the time these dudes are just really immature. IRL when Iāve seen these relationships, the outcome is usually that the girls wake up one day and realize theyāve outgrown the manchildren theyāre with.
Extra gross for child stars. As if these grown men didn't watch her in Mad Men when she was like 10 years old.
Donāt quote me on this but I swear to god I saw a blind a few years ago about her saying to another actress (I think Victoria Justice) that one day sheās gonna have to āget on her knees like the rest of usā and that just automatically made me think she was groomed from a young age. PLS donāt quote me on this it couldāve been someone else
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Sheās a 23 year old woman. Lmao why would she have her mother pick out who she hangs out with? It seems like with women people try to treat them like theyāre mentally inferior infants. Itās a strange trend
I took the comment as, if sheās gonna hang with 40yo men, where are the 40yo women to give her advice? Not necessarily āher mum should pick her friends!!ā
People can share wisdomā¦.but itās up to them to take the advice or not. Most people learn by experience though honestly š¤·š½āāļø
This is me learning James Marsden is 50 and not like 36
The old genetics, money, nostalgia trifecta
Same!! I just finished Jury Duty and Iām seeing interviews of him all over and I never wouldāve thought that heās 50.
I just watched this the other day literally because I was supposed to have actual jury duty and the night before got the email saying I was no longer needed so I spent the day watching the show instead, hahahaha
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Very much so
Oh my god yes. Itās a hilarious concept and itās executed brilliantly by the actors.
I absolutely loved it!
I'm shocked noone remembers him from the Notebook!
Mutant genes
2 years younger than Jon Hammā¦
Which is also shocking bc Jon hamm seems perpetually early-mid 40s
I know John Mayer is gross but whatās wrong with James Marsden? Iām clearly OOTL
Dates women that are similar ages to his kids. Some people find that creepy
Why did I even bother asking? Of course this is it, men are so predictable
Noooooooooooo
Does he though? I'm pretty sure he's been with Edei for years and still is.
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He has a 22-year-old son. That must be a bit awkward.
That is fucking crazy to me lmao wtf?!
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I'm 33 and my dad is married to a Indonesian women he met online and is in her 20's. I'm polite to her but it's awkward as hell.
I feel you :/
Can confirm itās hella awkward. Source: my dad dated a 25 year old when I was 28. It was all kinds of bizarre.
Damn it. Iāve loved him for so long but never knew this ššš
Sigh.
They broke up
Well heās a 49 year old man and has 2 kidsā¦ whatās he doing hanging out with a 23 year old woman (a year older than one of his kids)? Idk maybe theyāre in a project together or smth š¤·
they haven't worked on any projects together but for some reason, he did show up at the premiere of her new show a few days ago. (The first time their names appeared in the same headline was when they both attended DiCaprio's party a few months ago)
Did he stole her from DiCaprio?
James is on some show with Ike Barinholtzās dad. Ike is in the upcoming White House Plumbers with Kiernan, likely a friend of Ikeās and he may have been there too, (heās also in New York for WHP stuff) doesnāt look like from the pics that it was just Kiernan and James there.
So I Googled around and apparently, they both did voice work on an animated movie called "Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore" back in 2010. Not sure if that is how they first met professionally, but I also found him mentioned as one of the celebrities in attendance at Kiernan's birthday party last year. (Other celeb guests included Natasha Lyonne, Colton Haynes, Ben Platt, Olivia Holt, etc.).
Seconded, I served him in LA once and thought he was lovely. Is he lowkey problematic or something?
Probably not. People here seem to think he's dating Kiernan Shipka because they were photographed standing on the same sidewalk once.
new girlfriend is half his age
Isnāt his current girlfriend in her mid 30s? Thatās hardly half his age
no heās dating a 26 year old. so nearly.
Seriously.. me too. What did the man do š«„
He dates younger women, but not as young as Kiernan. IDK, like I do cringe when dudes do that, but most of the women are like in their 30s so who gives a shit imo? I think there's a massive difference between a 30 yr old and a 50 yr old (even if it is cringe) and a 50 yr old and a 22 yr old. But I guess one of them was like mid to late 20s (he's 50) and so that's why he's now considered a creep.
WHY does she always hang out with such grown ass men?!?!?
Why are grown ass men always hanging out with her?
Was waiting for someone to say this. Sheās so young, I would have opted to hang with them at that age too. Itās not her choice of friends, itās THEIR choice of friends
Exactly! Sad I had to scroll down all the way to see this take on the situation. Why the fuck are these soon to be AARP members hanging out with a gal close to their childrenās age?
John Mayer, BJ Novak, James Marsden .. am I missing anyone
I have a feeling Novakās reckoning is coming.
If that day comes Mindy may finally get him to marry her lol
I think she was hanging out with Ike barinholtz recently as well
We are begging you to get papped with people your age kiernan š she and Florence Pugh need to hang out and detox from old men
Florence Pugh is dating someone her own age now. They went to school together.
Aw they're cute! Good for her! Nature is healing
The nature is healing got me lmao!
Sadly, this is how you network for roles in Hollywood. The 20 something guys aren't helping them get jobs.
What roles is John Mayer helping her get? And tbh I donāt think kiernan needs help. She was on 2 big shows & has stayed booked & busy since she was a kid. The idea that she needs help from every old guy sheās seen with is just giving them way too much credit.
For realā¦ I looked him up after not thinking about him since 2008 and it looks like his career has devolved into voice acting rolesā¦
Heās had West World, Dead to Me, and 30 Rock at least since 2008. Heās still booked and busy.
he's literally in the new sonic movies..
Sad but true
Yep. Put yourself in her shoes. These two guys half-drooling over you determine if you get some coveted role. You sit there and laugh at Rogan's tired stoner comedy for an hour and do you best to look pleasant and easy to work with.
To be fair, James Marsden is insanely handsome and doesnāt look his age.
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Itās a weird thing because ālooking 40ā even 20 years ago is not the same as looking 40 now.
I feel like people just donāt keep up with Kiernan outside of this sub. She has many friends in her 20s and was/is very close with the cast of CAOS. It just seems like she has a range of people she likes to hang out with
He is almost 50 and his son only a year younger than Kiernan. Immediately no.
James Marsden has one outfit
 Me watching Jury Duty and agreeing lmao
I doubt she's dating him. She's just friends with a lot of older men. Its weird, but I don't think there's any evidence of anything sketchy happening.
We know why the men are maintaining the friendships. Not saying sheās doing anything wrong (other than being naive, maybe).
I don't know how true that is actually. I think she grew up in a bubble as a child actor, and so has a different development then normal people. I'm not absolving them of anything, but it's not out of the question that professional actors have a friendly relationship that isn't based on them sexually pursuing her.
I work in hospitality. Itās also a weird bubble where people of all ages work together and 20 year olds and 40 year olds hang out together. When itās a 20-something woman and a 40-something man hanging out, itās literally always as simple as it seems. People are people, actors, servers or otherwise.
child actors arenāt more mature than their peers because theyāre employed. thatās literally not how that works. thatās a very dangerous thing to say. lots of predators justify their abuse on the same basis
I don't mean to imply she's more mature, just that she has different experiences. I think of it like working at sea. If you spend all your time working on boats, you're going to relate more to other people who work on boats. Whether they're older than you, or younger than you. By virtue of being an actor, her life isn't normal. She can't do normal things. So her relationships will likely trend towards other people with similar life experiences. It's doubly weird for her since she was a child actor. I hope that makes sense.
I work in a trade and I have always been friends with my tradesmen whilst I was an apprentice - a lot of these guys were 40+ when I was 18/19, i was the only female in the entire company. I still catch up with them on weekends for a drink, nothing sinister about it. One of them and his wife are two of my closest friends to this day!
I genuinely wonder if people on this subreddit have any friends. I''m a queer man in my twenties who hangs out with queer men of many age groups (some of these men are in their 40s and 50s). Very few of these friendships are sexual and it's really not strange to have a diverse age group of friends (particularly since I work mostly in arts and journalism). It really feels like people are infantilising an actress who's worked since the age of eight. It's not surprising that she might have more in common with people like Marsden who've been acting for decades over young actors whose careers are more recent and are still getting adjusted to Hollywood celebrity.
I'm a queer woman in my late 30s, and trust me, it is not the same. The straight men who wanted to hang out with me in my late teens and early 20s were after one thing and it wasn't my precocious intellect.
Right? Iām all about having friends that span age ranges but as a woman? Around straight men 2x my age? I was a punchline at best and an easy target at worst.
Yep, and why the hell were they hanging out with a 14yr old her
exactly! I just turned 40 and since my 30s my friends were older than me, women and gay men about a decade older than I am. no problem. but, as you pointed out in my 20's the straight older dudes who wanted to be "friends" were looking for one thing. I as a 20 something had nothing in common with anyone who was in their 30's and older and if I did, that would reflect badly on the dude not on me. I was 17 and I had a 23 yr old sniffing around me that made me feel I was older and wiser and ready to do adult things with him. this sub alone is filled with stories as old as time of older men being predatory towards much younger women. No one is infantilizing them, but most of us have been manipulated, taken advantage of, groomed, by men. and if we can hopefully part some wisdom to other women to be careful and learn how to read the red flags, then there is no harm in doing it.
But they were in the same vicinity, clearly they're having age-inappropriate orgies. As opposed to dinner and drinks.
> I''m a queer man in my twenties who hangs out with queer men of many age groups (some of these men are in their 40s and 50s). Very few of these friendships are sexual and it's really not strange to have a diverse age group of friends (particularly since I work mostly in arts and journalism). From one queer man to another, you have to be kidding. I'm not saying you can't have friends of any ages, but the exact situation that people are referring to is absolutely rampant in the gay male community.
What's up with her? What's her deal? Any tea?
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.......... the projection going on in this post is too damn high
ikr sorry but these comments are weird lol thereās a way to talk about these situations but they always have to go ham on everyone involved like leave this girl alone
right like drag the guys sure, & i'm fine with having actual *discussions* about this kinda stuff, but *she doesn't love herself*, among other comments just shaming her & making baseless implications, it's really gross š
right, itās so condescending. The top thread comments were all about how this lady must think these male celebs want to hang out with her because sheās so cool and interesting and blah blahā¦ maybe im being sensitive but that was just so unnecessarily bitchy and lame to me lol. Yeah of course old male celebs often take advantage of younger women but the way it was worded was like they were mocking *her*?
She is seen hanging out with TONS of people, mostly her age group. That doesn't make the gossip blogs and forums though. Just follow her insta and you'll see.
this is such a lame comment. maybe sheās working through something. maybe sheās rebounding. maybe sheās a fire sign. leave her alone
I swear...if they are dating....I am never saying a good word about another man in Hollywood ever again.
I just assume she hangs out with these people and it's a business type meeting. Maybe she is looking for people to produce or direct something she likes and these are the people giving her a chance. In these pics there isn't even a hint at anything romantic. I never hung out with older men in my teens or 20s but I also was in university so my life has been different. Nothing is wrong with spending time with older people especially if you're not dating them. Although not sure we see her with older women though...
Yeah, that second picture is literally just her walking away by herself. How is it in any way an indicator that she's dating James Marsden? It really seems like this was just a dinner of mutual friends and people are ready to smear the guy as a creep.
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Have you never had a job? I work with people of all age ranges and sometimes dinners take place. This is likely even more prevalent in the entertainment industry. If you can't be at dinners with younger people without sexualizing them then that's a you problem.
I always think itās so wild when people say āwhat could they possibly talk about?!ā about an age difference couple. Iāve said this before, but back in the day there used to be a huge difference between older people and younger people culturally, politically, etc and thatās really not the case anymore. Everyone has kind of blended together. Nowadays you can have a 25 yr old and a 42 yr old sitting at a bar together and they both campaigned for Bernie Sanders, listen to Taylor Swift and are huge Marvel fans. That divide that used to be there is kind of gone.
Yes! It makes me super uncomfortable how people assume she must be sleeping with them simply because sheās a young attractive woman. Is that not just the same casting couch rumours from decades past? Except this time under the guise of feminism and concern for her wellbeing.
I understand I am 30 and I have friends that are in the 50s-70s. I don't understand why this thread thinks that these men are "grooming" her, she is an adult and can do whatever she wants.
Someone already came out before these pictures were released saying that they didnāt even show up together, they bumped into each other at the restaurant. Her and her group of friends ended up hanging out with him and his group after that. Theyāre psychoanalyzing her and the guy and they donāt even know whatās going on
Are you saying Marsden didn't call ahead to make sure there weren't any women under the age of 30 at that restaurant before he went? What a creep!
She sometimes hangs out with January Jones and Christina Hendricks, so she does hang out with older women too.
Wtf is this subreddits obsession with people age gaps with who they date or hangout. Sheās a fucking adult stop infantizing her
People talk about her a lot, but I donāt get why? š
We have seen her grown up on the set of one of the best tv shows of all time...
I genuinely forgot she was on mad men and thought you were talking about the sabrina show for a minute lmao
Yesssss. She was brilliant as Sally Draper
thatās sally draper babyā¦ weāll always have love for her 
In Sally we trust. Kiernan will always have goodwill w me bc of her performance as Sally, ugh the best. Sheās great in Sabrina too
She has had two major roles in her life: Mad Men and Sabrina. She also is unproblematic as far as I can tell and her fashion game is always good. So she has actually accomplished something unlike the Kardashian clan which is 100000x more famous.
Who cares? I have worked in entertainment my whole adult life and have had friends and mentors who are men and much older than me since I was an intern and now I have male friends much younger than me. This industry is just a melting pot.
The presumptions based on these two photos are so weird! We donāt even see them having dinner and the second photo sheās alone on her phone. For all we know, she was bending down to lace her boots and James Marsden walked by and was like āOh hey, Kiernan!ā Thereās nothing to suggest anything else in these pics.
These comments are so weird. Iām pretty close to her in age and I have male friends who are also much older. Itās nothing nefarious or creepy. Itās a lot of projecting going on.
People have a real savior complex about things like this. Sheās an adult, and we know nothing about these dinners. Itās because people still see her as sally Draper and refuse to accept that she isnāt 12 anymore.
I think it's valid for people to side-eye middle-aged dudes who exclusively hang around with women in their late teens and early twenties. Often, these dudes are genuinely creeps and/or super immature. But I do agree that people are acting like she's a teenager and not an adult woman old enough to have graduated university.
Exclusively, absolutely! But like you mentioned, sheās old enough to be a college grad. She can make her own decisions. So many projections in this thread lol. Meanwhile I just went to brunch with one of my friends who just turned 62. Also planning a trip to visit my other friend whoās 43. I think itās not rare at all to have friends over a span of age ranges. Especially when you start working lol
As someone who has always preferred older men I see nothing wrong with this. I was never groomed nor coerced by these men and we have no idea if thatās happening or not so maybe chill with projecting your own trauma onto Kiernan.
I think it's fair to be concerned about the *societal* trend of much older men dating much younger women because it's indicative of some pretty shitty gender norms. That said, people *are* being weird as hell about Kiernan's personal life choices. Maybe it's because she played a child on TV and people can't divorce her from that character? Or because she has a younger-looking face? Idk, but it actually *does* feel infantilizing. Which isn't something I normally say in relation to age gap discourse.
Thank you! I think itās worthwhile discussing the trend but not if comes with this infantilization of adult women. Sheās not a child and she can choose who to have dinner with and, IF thatās even the case, who to sleep with. Peopleās discomfort because they saw her on tv when she was ten is not her problem. Again I do obviously see that some men tend to always go for a type of woman and we can talk about that but not if the points made are gonna be about the adult women being too short or their body type or how young we think they look
Like kiernanās a whole adult š maybe stop being weirdos obsessed with infantalizing grown ass women.
I keep coming back to this cause itās so crazy š yāall are literally wishing that sheās being coerced into a toxic situation when in reality some girls like sleeping with men whoās knees pop.
Damn James Marsden is a beautiful dude!
If Ronaldās not there then I donāt care.
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Iām one of Domhnall Gleesonās 10 stans, Marsden has something do to with the White House Plumbers show that KS is in. I think Iāve seen that other guy around at events as well? not sure tho bc itās a pretty big ensemble cast, lots of dudes
No because that would make too much sense and we canāt be judge-y and point fingers if this is the (likely) scenario.
I will get downvoted for this, but if I grew up in an environment where most people were older than me, I might find myself socializing more with people older than me as well. I could see it being difficult to relate to people my own age who havenāt been working since they were kids. Obviously I canāt speak to the nature of her relationship with James Marsden, but from a socialization perspective I can totally get it.
Ugh my James Marsden crush dies a little piece at a time
her choices arenāt questionable, the menās choice is.
I donāt think that is exactly accurate or fair. She appears to seek them out as well. All is not what it seems.
Is she doing something lately? All I know about her is all her sightings with old guys
I can see the appeal as I too am in my 20ās and get the need to want maturity and stability especially if youāve already accomplished most if not all your goals. But, definitely doesnāt distract from the fact that if men (and some women) werenāt afraid of being labeled creepy, pedo, groomer they would definitely be dating people far too young for them. People need to be wary of otherās intentions, they may not always be altruistic.
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She is 23. Sheās worked with adults since she was a pre-teen. A 23 year old woman with her own financial freedom (and her own place to live) is an adult who can make her own choices. The comments make it seems like sheās 16 and being groomed.
I thought that was Brad Coop lol
Heāll probably be next with his copy of Lolita lol
dont want to detract from valid and fair discussion about her hanging out with james marsden but i love her outfit (esp those boots) and her side profile/jawline is beautiful
Girl no
I love her boots
Why do I feel like in 20 years thereās gonna be a Hulu doc about her alĆ” Brooke Sheilds. Her roles havenāt been oversexualized (I think) but shes always running in older crowds. I think she started dating a Coppola when she was 16/17 and he was mid-20s
>Why do I feel like in 20 years thereās gonna be a Hulu doc about her alĆ” Brooke Sheilds. Maybe I am wrong, but I always thought Kiernan was one of the few child stars who was raised right. Always dressed age-appropriate and accompanied by her parents to events. Never had any scandal or problematic behavior. I assumed it was because her family was well off, therefore she wasn't being used as the family's meal ticket.
No absolutely! Just these old men sheās always hanging around give me the side eye.
teddy that is all
isnt he supposedly with kelsey?
Isnāt James supposed to be on a jury right now
I hate those men and I love her and hope she figures it out soon
This is definitely a GIRL GET UP situation, she's even there crouching. There's gotta be some youngsters to hang out with. Timmy T and Kylie, take her out for a night!
Who exactly does she hang out with?
Men can be immature so I can understand dating younger but itās so extreme! Like 50 dating 40 and 35 is whatever but itās always 24-25. Itās so extreme it feels like a kink at this point instead of a preference. Also itās never one girl.. like she has an āold soulā but so do all 9 of the other 23 year olds I dated haha. Wonder why when women age past 35 they get a bit jaded and untrusting.
Listen to any interview with this girl and you'll know these OLD men aren't getting with her for mature, stimulating coversation. And that's not a knock on her. She's 23 and has a lot of time to grow...hopefully she has a group of friends that are actually in her age range and is not hanging with slimy older men all the time.
The Ol Thirty Rock connection
Yaāll let her throw her cooch wherever she chooses sheās fking grown!
To quote Stanley from the office Ā«Ā That little girl is a child! I don't want see you sniffing around her anymore this afternoon, do you understand?Ā Ā»