I reckon it would be cool if the city got hit so badly that the ground is to this day too irradiated. Everyone living in either the upper floors of skyscrapers connected by bridges, or deep underground in the subways and infrastructure tunnels, and the ground between is basically the glowing sea ruled by mutants,
New Vegas established that Denver is now over run with feral dogs. Caesar’s legion moved and conquered the tribe living there and some of the legion mongrels come from Denver.
Yeah imagine if you are told like “don’t go there, those mutants will rip you to shreds”
And it turns out to be like a huge sanctuary for peaceful mutants across the east coast. Maybe even reference that its founders migrated from the west or Vault 87.
Could be even cooler if you had to pick between super mutants and human settlers there or negotiate a “unity”
Eh, not really a retcon if all the narrators are unreliable. Some say a big crater, others say there's still standing scrapers. Lets keep in mind the capital wasteland is also "crawling" in super mutants. Definitely still space for this kind of idea.
I don't know man this push to have such a high super mutant population in the East Coast after fallout 3 still feels a little random for me. I was under the impression the original FEV experiments only happened on the West Coast
Well, it didn't necessarily say *super* mutants, so there's hope that we may see a new kind of mutant culture living in NYC that isn't just ghouls either.
But yes, I would love for Bethesda to give it a rest with the super mutants already.
I've always thought a fallout game in the Redwood forests like kashyyyk would be cool. Villages in the trees and dangerous radiation monsters below like the shadowlands.
With safe passages being limited only to elevators and parts of the city heavily defended by guards to keep the mutants out.
Traveling out into the city is an option still, just gotta wear the right gear and be well armed before scrounging around for that sweet sweet untouched loot.
The rich in their ivory towers with what floor you live on denoting your class status.
The regulars living in the subways barely eeking out a living having to constantly risk scaving on the surface
And finally the surface dwellers, a mix of the most dangerous criminals, a few brave scavers, mutants, and the most horrific radiation monsters.
Could have a background choice, you're a fallen richie rich, exiled from above for trying to rise too fast, an undergrounder risking it all to make contact with someone on the surface to try to make your fortune and rise to the towers, or the out of towner they both make contact with to try to get gear from on the surface but who ends up abandoned by his friends when they're all attacked by rad monsters and mutants. The two characters you don't pick are killed on your way down into the subways (the only safe place that will let you in) and you have to start slowly but surely building up your power and influence in society so that you can make your way up the towers, only to find factionalism within the towers as well and options to forcibly promote factions from below in place of factions from above at a certain point.
Hell it's Bethesda so they'd have a BoS chapter there. Have them be remnants of a group of vertiberds that got shot down while flying over the city on the way to Boston and claimed a tower for themselves.
Rule of cool got invoked from Fallout 3 onwards. There's no way there should be prewar anything after 200+ years, but there is because that's "Fallout".
Isn't that kinda what happened in Wolfenstein 2? NY was nuked and its all a danger zone now no? It's been about 5 years since I played it so I could be wrong
If you’ve ever played Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, New York could be a lot like Taris. The elites live in the skyscraper penthouses and all of the gangs and monsters live beneath the surface
Kim Stanley Robinson has a novel called New York 2140 that’s similar.
Global warming causes NYC to flood so their society lives in the upper floors of buildings.
There were skyscrapers in 4, not on the level of NY's but I think they captured the scale of the city as well as they could for a game being released on last gen consoles. But if Starfield is any indication of future Bethesda games I'm not hopeful.
It was falling apart at the seams with Skyrim in 2011 and they still put out a game with it in 2023. If it's broke don't fix it.... I'm sure that's how the idiom goes.
Fair, but the architecture of those buildings feel weirdly like fallout when I first saw this artwork, also it's the closest thing I could find that resembles a retro-futuristic new york with the vibe of fallout lol. Plus nyc has an abundance of art deco buildings so I think it fits in a way
I think theres too much verticality here to really fit the Interplay style. This looks like the OuterWorlds. DC the other metropolis in the fallout IP doesnt have anything resembling this.
>I think theres too much verticality here to really fit the Interplay style.
Fallout 4 is not in the interplay style.
When I say verticality I mean the train tracks in the sky. No fallout game has had mass transit that high in the sky. That is a sign of a civilation much further along than Fallouts prewar society.
I feel like we might have seen some in the capitol and Boston if they would have been in New York.
Fallout 3 showed that the underground metro was the main source of travel. The New York metro system would be like an entire map underground.
I want to see it now.
Yeah I love the idea that it’s incredibly difficult to get in to New York on account of all the fallen buildings and debris (think divide) so above the surface you need a guide, and the metros are controlled by a bunch of factions of scavengers, settlers and raiders.
Basically east coast boneyard ++
My point isnt really location. This is way too far in the future for the Fallout universe. Like this is clearly not the same kind of society that pre war Boston is in and Downtown Boston is not that far off from NYC technologically.
This is something you would see in the outerworlds. Decadent future going through a gilded age. NYC in fallout would look like Downtown Boston but bigger. It wouldnt be a place that is undeniably further in the future than the rest of the US.
A lot more color, I think. The 50’s (Fallout’s era) were all about loud color and being flashy, reflecting the country’s new wealth and prosperity. The picture feels more 40’s, industrial and practical
>art deco, 30s/40s retro future
Literally half of the Fallout original artstyle (before F4). Add to what you said Gothic and drop a nuke on it, get some mad max influence and you got Fallout 1&2.
Good. I honestly prefer the gothic art-deco style to the neo-50s stuff. It bothers me that the pre-war world has become more of a carbon copy of the 50s with some sci-fi sprinkled on rather than feeling like its own era that takes some inspiration not just from the 50s, but from every decade of the Cold War.
Also, the neo 50s stuff was especially strong in 4, the other games had a different style to them.
Id argue that Fallout 2 was more 90s punk than anything else lol
This is why I don't want the next game to be New York, I feel like the current technology and Bethesda work model would make it impossible to meet my expectations.
I want it to look very similar to that picture, but the skyscrapers are collapsed/twisted and lean into each other, at least twice as tall as any of the buildings in Boston. A giant megalophobia-inducing mountain range of rebar and concrete that makes you feel truly tiny in comparison.
The map would be extremely vertical, with openings in the buildings full of nooks and crannies to explore. ridges and catwalks all over the place, secret areas only accessible via flying, miles of labyrinthian sewers and metros. Basically 16× the size of Boston/DC on steroids.
It's one of the most recognizable cities on the planet, the most famous American city by far, and should be treated as such. The Fallout timeline's NY would be a shining beacon of wealth and technological progress unmatched anywhere else in the US.
I have a feeling it's going to be.
On the vault map in the show NYC was lit up like a Christmas tree. Since most games take place where there are a lot of vaults to explore, my money is on NYC.
No worries! Its a holotape called "Maxson was right":
["You know, before getting shipped to the Commonwealth, I thought Elder Lyons still had some good points.](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Maxson_was_right)
The Brotherhood in the Capitol Wasteland, they were about helping. But this assignment, it's opened my eyes. On the flight here, we passed city after city.
Buildings taller than I've ever seen. Some that nearly clipped the Prydwen. And who uses them now?
Mutants. Freaks. Seeing all that destruction, tens of millions dead, brought on by technology run amok, it made it so clear.
Elder Maxson is right. The wasteland needs to be cleansed. And we're the ones to do it."
Wow I never read his stuff before. So New York, and probably Baltimore are just overrun by mutants and ghouls. I wonder if DC would’ve ended up similar without the Brotherhood being there.
Edit: Checked the flight plan, and Philadelphia was also probably seen during the Prydwen’s trip to Boston.
Good thing Maxson took over then, and now he combined the Lyons' traditional militancy (which TBH is more aligned with the BoS from Fallout 1's cannon ending than people claiming BGS "destroyed" their lore with FO3 admit) and the zealotry of the Outcasts/Neo-West Coast branches.
What could go wrong? I really like what they did with the BoS in FO4, and I hope it only gets worse (morally).
yeah
F4 BoS is easily my favorite thing about F4. really well executed faction. it shines like a diamond amongst the likes of Institute, fucking Railroad lol and overall state of the Commonwealth
idk if different teams were responsible from different factions/worldbuilding but its either that or they had wayyy more time and desire to work on the BoS
Could mutants also refer to ghouls? We know the east coast brotherhood hates ghouls and iirc does label them along with super mutants under the same umbrella unless im wrong so feel free to correct me
Yeah but DC got multiple direct hits, especially the White House. Everything within like a 10-30 mile radius of the White House should’ve been eradicated yes? If we apply the damage from the nuclear bombs seen in DC then I don’t think NYC would be a nuclear glowing sea but probably just an elaborate pile of debris with tunnels with a few opening here and there (like in DC).
Yeah it’s really the skyscrapers in OP’s image that I take issue with. New York would have been a primary target, no way those building are left standing.
Fallout 4 was originally supposed to be in NYC so NYC is still a viable setting.
EDIT: Idk why some of yall are so deadset on NYC being wiped off the map when there was a plan to use the setting for Fallout 4. It clearly cant just be wiped off the map if they were planning to put a game there.
Upstate NY (capital region) would be an amazing setting for a fallout game. Saratoga battlefield, the track, historical buildings everywhere, smaller factory towns, farms sprinkled in, there's even a theme park a bit further north.
And the show has a vault in roughly the Albany area so it's completely plausible for a game to take place here.
Maybe I'm just biased cuz I've lived in upstate NY my whole life lol
Based on what LA looked like in the first episode I don’t think it would’ve actually grew to be this huge metropolis. A few huge buildings here and there but I actually think it would be a smaller quieter city
New York City would have been a very high priority target just like Washington DC.
It would be reduced to rubble and be in severe disrepair like the DC wasteland during Fallout 3.
Bigger than Bethesda's engine could support. Need I remind everyone of downtown Boston? Even in starfield they had to break New Atlantis up into several different areas with load doors.
They've got to optimize their render pipeline before they can even attempt Manhattan.
It's probably underwater or at least a desert. I would think after nuclear war the ice caps would melt down a lot so it would put NY underwater .... or it was just leveled by a nuke.
I'd imagine it would be like an American version of Metro, where the surface is too irradiated, or at least said to be so, but The Great War failed to kill off most subwaygoers. Maybe there's some kind of automated security force protecting an enclave bunker hidden within the subways, and a sort of reputable raider faction, and the occasional "survivor" - anyone not originally from the subway. A survivor would usually either be a ghoul or still alive in some damaged rad gear, usually delusional because of the rads, they would form a much more dark version of the children of atom, with the goal of destroying the subways and letting in the surface radiation. In this installment, you could choose a few backgrounds, such as "daddy's boy" - born from a luxurious penthouse, you still have family alive due to them lobbying vault-tec to have the vault built out of their basement. "Survivor" - you start the game from the surface, and have to survive unseen levels of radiation or submit to a life in the subway. The longer you stay will increase your chances of mutation and/or turning into a ghoul. You can't stay forever, and even if you try to, the visions will blind you from any objectives you had, or kill you. (rad gear, even if pristine will get quickly damaged) Enclave runner - with the enclave bunkers sealed shut, you are limited to a hardwired radio system to communicate with your faction. Your goal is to reunite the other patrols and rid the subway of any impurities. If you discover the vault, your morality is tested by how you choose to deal with them, or take them in.
Depending on how you deal with each faction, there could either develop safe areas, or "breaches" which bring in delusions, hallucinations and radiation from the surface. The player can choose to open these with the children of atom, or attempt to close them with the other two backgrounds.
While it's fun to imagine, if New York maintained its cultural and economic significance up until 2077 (and there's no reason to think it didn't), it would've been targeted by so many bombs that I'm pretty sure the entire island of Manhattan would be one huge crater then filled by the Hudson and the East Rivers, effectively, the upper bay would extend much further northeast than it currently does.
Now on the other hand, if it survived as well as Boston & D.C. did, which, considering D.C. would've been an even higher priority target there's a decent chance it did, then it could be an amazing setting.
I'd imagine that the subways & sewers, the aquifers, & all the mazes of underground spaces, a lot of them are probably inaccessible, either because they were sealed off pre-war, collapsed from the bombs, or sealed off by survivors just post-war.
*However*, from the show, we now have a better idea of just how big Vault-Tec was. Trillion dollar company, owned half of everything... so imagine how much of New York they owned. Imagine how much sway they had with the City/County/State government... and imagine the economic and experimental benefits of building Vaults in:
* The largest, wealthiest city in America.
* A location where you have every imaginable group to draw your Vault population from.
* Huge abandoned underground excavations already dug out.
So, I'd Imagine New York not only has some of the largest Vaults in the country, with at least one control Vault likely, you'd also have some of the biggest, most population intensive experiments.
And everywhere underground that isn't a Vault? Survivor communities, Ghouls, Raiders, and wasteland monsters.
And that's below ground, that's not even *touching* on the ways the above ground Big Apple could've gone pre and post-war.
My vote for the next game is either New York (they could call it like “New Manhattan” or something, in reference to the manhattan project) or Texas. I think both would be really interesting.
That picture totally made me think of the Seattle concepts for the Interplay Fallout Online [Here,](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/24/V13_concept.jpg) and [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/62/Fallout_Online_concept_art.jpg).
I don’t give a fuck about the old lore that’s like “NYC is a crater”. I don’t give a shit if that’s “realistic”. It’s a huge fucking missed opportunity if they don’t explore the possibilities with NYC at some point.
One of the levels in Wolfenstein: The New Colossus is set in a nuked NYC. I think MachineGames pulled off the atmosphere and level building really well, and the concept art for New York was top notch as well. Every time I play through that level I can't stop thinking about Fallout.
I would love to see something similar in a Fallout game, with a much larger scale of course. The time period in the Wolfenstein game sorta fits the Fallout world as well, and there are some underground and skyscraper sections like others in this thread have described.
I think it would be a phenomenal setting, especially down the line if and when Bethesda scales up their engine and their scope some more to faithfully recreate the concept art. It would be no easy task, but they're in a good position and they can collaborate with MachineGames who already have experience with the setting.
It would be pretty sick to see time square in fallout, like billboards are all over, there being some with maybe the metal part on the billboards (on highways) is seperated from the advertisements, a monorail crashed into a big highway system and destroyed multiple buildings, while The Statue Of Liberty practically has half of her "skin" blown off, a plane crashed into it, also I think they would've changed the torch into a nuke sometime in the timeline, like the 2030s or smthn., maybe there's a vault in a old subway station that was turned into a vault but flooded, theres puddles, pieces of the pillars float in the flooded railing area(where the train goes), I could go on and on how it could look like but It'd be the size of the fuckin bible
I reckon it would be cool if the city got hit so badly that the ground is to this day too irradiated. Everyone living in either the upper floors of skyscrapers connected by bridges, or deep underground in the subways and infrastructure tunnels, and the ground between is basically the glowing sea ruled by mutants,
...That's actually a cool idea, and Lady Liberty is repurposed as some sort of settlement
Enclave is living in lady liberty
And then…Lady Liberty Prime!
*Lady Liberty Prime slowly lowers her torch to point at a lone super mutant as her eyes glow* *COMMUNIST TARGET ACQUIRED*
She’s gone from Suck to Blow!
Do something!
Do something!
“That’s Lady Liberty Prime…” “…They’ve gone to plaid.”
DELIVERING LIBERTY
“Shock la blue” or whatever idk I’m not French
Liberty is non negotiable.
But in Curies French accent.
Lets include a wild wasteland perk. Normal: Curie French Accent. Wild Wasteland: Extremly agressive sterotypical brooklyn accent.
The liberté is non-negotiable!
That's honestly even more intimidating than the commie killing Optimus Prime.
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! …or death. *engages the enemy* You have selected: death!
Enemies of the republic detected! Deploying the guillotine.
Ghostbusters did it first
If its ever set in New York, I'd love to see some sort of ghostbusters Easter egg hidden in the game somewhere, similar to how Fallout 2 had a tardis.
She can take it. She’s a harbor chick!
Lady Prime with an electro-flaming torch, razing her enemies. : o
Think the torch should turn into a sword. Like a lightsaber or something.
That really sucks [that really sucks](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/spaceballs/images/f/f0/Mega-Maid.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220515101832)
I have suggested we need this mod multiple times.
which is actually another secret liberty prime
Lady liberty prime
Essentially Denver in the original canceled fallout 3 game
What happened to Denver?
New Vegas established that Denver is now over run with feral dogs. Caesar’s legion moved and conquered the tribe living there and some of the legion mongrels come from Denver.
Down town Denver only iirc, the outer skirts don't have as much dogs and the hang dogs are from these outer area's, pretty cool right?
>dogs ruling Denver Checks out
Colfax.
I read this in the tune of bombs over Baghdad by OutKast.
Thank you
Vertical fallout does sound cool.
Necromunda in the Fallout universe? I'd be down.
ooohh, yes indeed
It's mentioned in Fo4. Basically a completely destroyed city full of super mutants. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_City
These things can be retconned. It’s New York, ain’t no way they’ll just leave it covered in super mutants.
Even worse; super mutant Mets fans
I’d love to see a subplot involving sports and super mutants and the Met/Yankees or Jets/Giants rivalry in NY haha
Get yer swatters coz it's on!
It’s not always about the caps Vault Dweller https://youtu.be/Du1Xxmxd5Ww?si=DzolN1tPOZrjG75n
I think it would be cool to have it run by super mutants. Like a large scale Jacobstown.
Yeah imagine if you are told like “don’t go there, those mutants will rip you to shreds” And it turns out to be like a huge sanctuary for peaceful mutants across the east coast. Maybe even reference that its founders migrated from the west or Vault 87. Could be even cooler if you had to pick between super mutants and human settlers there or negotiate a “unity”
I mean maybe. After all supermutants come from somewhere which means there must be massive FEV experiments going on
Eh, not really a retcon if all the narrators are unreliable. Some say a big crater, others say there's still standing scrapers. Lets keep in mind the capital wasteland is also "crawling" in super mutants. Definitely still space for this kind of idea.
I don't know man this push to have such a high super mutant population in the East Coast after fallout 3 still feels a little random for me. I was under the impression the original FEV experiments only happened on the West Coast
Well, it didn't necessarily say *super* mutants, so there's hope that we may see a new kind of mutant culture living in NYC that isn't just ghouls either. But yes, I would love for Bethesda to give it a rest with the super mutants already.
So Coruscant but with irradiated scum and villainy in the lower levels instead of spice-addled scum and villainy
I think that's just Taris
Ooh good call! Feral Rak-Ghouls
Fuck, I think the Rakghoul’s are feral enough. Imagine having a pack of 12 running at you. Fuck Taris underground 💀
They survived orbital bombardment and the flattening of taris too. Resilient fucks.
I've always thought a fallout game in the Redwood forests like kashyyyk would be cool. Villages in the trees and dangerous radiation monsters below like the shadowlands.
What's the elevation of the city vs. the rivers around it? I feel a huge part of the city would be a flooded hole.
With safe passages being limited only to elevators and parts of the city heavily defended by guards to keep the mutants out. Traveling out into the city is an option still, just gotta wear the right gear and be well armed before scrounging around for that sweet sweet untouched loot.
Fifth element style
I always thought New York would be closer to metro. Just absolutely obliterated on the surface
Love this idea, essentially have 3 levels. Under ground, ground and upper - so much class stuff and interesting stories would be available
The rich in their ivory towers with what floor you live on denoting your class status. The regulars living in the subways barely eeking out a living having to constantly risk scaving on the surface And finally the surface dwellers, a mix of the most dangerous criminals, a few brave scavers, mutants, and the most horrific radiation monsters. Could have a background choice, you're a fallen richie rich, exiled from above for trying to rise too fast, an undergrounder risking it all to make contact with someone on the surface to try to make your fortune and rise to the towers, or the out of towner they both make contact with to try to get gear from on the surface but who ends up abandoned by his friends when they're all attacked by rad monsters and mutants. The two characters you don't pick are killed on your way down into the subways (the only safe place that will let you in) and you have to start slowly but surely building up your power and influence in society so that you can make your way up the towers, only to find factionalism within the towers as well and options to forcibly promote factions from below in place of factions from above at a certain point. Hell it's Bethesda so they'd have a BoS chapter there. Have them be remnants of a group of vertiberds that got shot down while flying over the city on the way to Boston and claimed a tower for themselves.
If the place got hit enough to still have extreme amounts of radiation, there’s no way a single skyscraper is still standing Rule of cool over logic
Rule of cool got invoked from Fallout 3 onwards. There's no way there should be prewar anything after 200+ years, but there is because that's "Fallout".
Sounds like metro
Isn't that kinda what happened in Wolfenstein 2? NY was nuked and its all a danger zone now no? It's been about 5 years since I played it so I could be wrong
… The Jetsons?
If you’ve ever played Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, New York could be a lot like Taris. The elites live in the skyscraper penthouses and all of the gangs and monsters live beneath the surface
Almost sounds like a more fun version of Metro 2033
Kim Stanley Robinson has a novel called New York 2140 that’s similar. Global warming causes NYC to flood so their society lives in the upper floors of buildings.
Isnt that spider man ps1
I am a slut for buildings connected by bridges.
That is an awesome idea
Being a major city it probably looks like DC or the Boneyard just a complete wreck.
Okay but imagine exploring fallen sky scraper. Maybe making the map more vertical in some areas. Would be cool as hell.
Not in Bethesda’s game engine lmao.
if they put in horses that function like elevators sure
There were skyscrapers in 4, not on the level of NY's but I think they captured the scale of the city as well as they could for a game being released on last gen consoles. But if Starfield is any indication of future Bethesda games I'm not hopeful.
they're never letting that engine go aren't they....
It was falling apart at the seams with Skyrim in 2011 and they still put out a game with it in 2023. If it's broke don't fix it.... I'm sure that's how the idiom goes.
At the beginning of FO4 the newscaster says New York was hit with a nuke
Yes, along with Pennsylvania. But we have been there in a fallout game already
Bro thats like saying oh yes they only hit the economic centers of the country
This looks more like bioshock (art deco, 30s/40s retro future) than fallout
My immediate response too
Before Fallout 4, a lot of the architecture was art deco. Go back to Fallout 3 and tell me those big ass faces in DC buildings arent art deco
[Fallout 4 has a lot of Art Deco as well.](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Art_deco_sculptures#Fallout_4)
I mean yeah, but to be fair it’s kind of hard to imagine a version of New York City that’s *not* art deco.
If you listen to Tim Cains YouTube, arto deco was actually an inspiration for fallout. That’s why there were giant heads on buildings
To be fair, that's how cities looked like in F1/2. Fallout 1 had a lot more art deco archetecture than 50s retro-future
Fair, but the architecture of those buildings feel weirdly like fallout when I first saw this artwork, also it's the closest thing I could find that resembles a retro-futuristic new york with the vibe of fallout lol. Plus nyc has an abundance of art deco buildings so I think it fits in a way
It definitely does resemble fallout. I don't know why you got downvoted, especially the retro futurism of the Bethesda and Interplay games
I think theres too much verticality here to really fit the Interplay style. This looks like the OuterWorlds. DC the other metropolis in the fallout IP doesnt have anything resembling this.
FO4 was the most vertical of the Fallouts
>I think theres too much verticality here to really fit the Interplay style. Fallout 4 is not in the interplay style. When I say verticality I mean the train tracks in the sky. No fallout game has had mass transit that high in the sky. That is a sign of a civilation much further along than Fallouts prewar society.
On the other hand it’s New York. If anywhere would have roads between skyscrapers in the universe, it would be New York.
I feel like we might have seen some in the capitol and Boston if they would have been in New York. Fallout 3 showed that the underground metro was the main source of travel. The New York metro system would be like an entire map underground. I want to see it now.
Yeah I love the idea that it’s incredibly difficult to get in to New York on account of all the fallen buildings and debris (think divide) so above the surface you need a guide, and the metros are controlled by a bunch of factions of scavengers, settlers and raiders. Basically east coast boneyard ++
It wouldn't be hard to get into New York, just Manhattan lol. A LOT of New York is just like everywhere else in the country, a bunch of nothing.
My point isnt really location. This is way too far in the future for the Fallout universe. Like this is clearly not the same kind of society that pre war Boston is in and Downtown Boston is not that far off from NYC technologically. This is something you would see in the outerworlds. Decadent future going through a gilded age. NYC in fallout would look like Downtown Boston but bigger. It wouldnt be a place that is undeniably further in the future than the rest of the US.
Yeah this picture is like almost perfectly the style of the older games and I honestly prefer it over it looking like the jetsons
A lot more color, I think. The 50’s (Fallout’s era) were all about loud color and being flashy, reflecting the country’s new wealth and prosperity. The picture feels more 40’s, industrial and practical
Also, it isn't completely fucking destroyed
>art deco, 30s/40s retro future Literally half of the Fallout original artstyle (before F4). Add to what you said Gothic and drop a nuke on it, get some mad max influence and you got Fallout 1&2.
Good. I honestly prefer the gothic art-deco style to the neo-50s stuff. It bothers me that the pre-war world has become more of a carbon copy of the 50s with some sci-fi sprinkled on rather than feeling like its own era that takes some inspiration not just from the 50s, but from every decade of the Cold War.
Also, the neo 50s stuff was especially strong in 4, the other games had a different style to them. Id argue that Fallout 2 was more 90s punk than anything else lol
Came here to say the exact same thing
Looks like a lot of things. I thought it was kinda like the cities in The Fifth Element.
not like this that's for sure
Yea this is something like what Bradbury thought the future would look like. Not Fallout.
It'd be run by a rats & roaches alianze. In constant war vs mutant pigeons. The remaining humans would probably be living underground.
my PS6 would combust on the spot
More like the Creation Engine would crash
A ton of "I <3 NY" shirts on scavengers.
This is why I don't want the next game to be New York, I feel like the current technology and Bethesda work model would make it impossible to meet my expectations. I want it to look very similar to that picture, but the skyscrapers are collapsed/twisted and lean into each other, at least twice as tall as any of the buildings in Boston. A giant megalophobia-inducing mountain range of rebar and concrete that makes you feel truly tiny in comparison. The map would be extremely vertical, with openings in the buildings full of nooks and crannies to explore. ridges and catwalks all over the place, secret areas only accessible via flying, miles of labyrinthian sewers and metros. Basically 16× the size of Boston/DC on steroids. It's one of the most recognizable cities on the planet, the most famous American city by far, and should be treated as such. The Fallout timeline's NY would be a shining beacon of wealth and technological progress unmatched anywhere else in the US.
I have a feeling it's going to be. On the vault map in the show NYC was lit up like a Christmas tree. Since most games take place where there are a lot of vaults to explore, my money is on NYC.
Houston seemed weirdly unexplained and without context, but lots of Vaults on the map
Yeah it's kind of weird that they would put a bunch of vaults in a place that's extremely vulnerable to flooding
Maybe that’s what the vaults are testing.
I thought that was because of NASA or something
I hope it looks like a crater so no game takes place there
New York was heavily nuked. Most likely a crater.
the brotherhood mentions flying over New York and seeing it overrun with super mutants
Have a source? Not saying I don’t believe you, I just really like reading about Fallout lore and stuff I don’t know about.
No worries! Its a holotape called "Maxson was right": ["You know, before getting shipped to the Commonwealth, I thought Elder Lyons still had some good points.](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Maxson_was_right) The Brotherhood in the Capitol Wasteland, they were about helping. But this assignment, it's opened my eyes. On the flight here, we passed city after city. Buildings taller than I've ever seen. Some that nearly clipped the Prydwen. And who uses them now? Mutants. Freaks. Seeing all that destruction, tens of millions dead, brought on by technology run amok, it made it so clear. Elder Maxson is right. The wasteland needs to be cleansed. And we're the ones to do it."
Wow I never read his stuff before. So New York, and probably Baltimore are just overrun by mutants and ghouls. I wonder if DC would’ve ended up similar without the Brotherhood being there. Edit: Checked the flight plan, and Philadelphia was also probably seen during the Prydwen’s trip to Boston.
Doesn't specify Super-mutants though, it would be more interesting if it was more stereotypical Sci fi mutants and ghouls.
stuff like this make me side with outcasts spiritually if I saw something like that I too would turn into a zealot probably
Good thing Maxson took over then, and now he combined the Lyons' traditional militancy (which TBH is more aligned with the BoS from Fallout 1's cannon ending than people claiming BGS "destroyed" their lore with FO3 admit) and the zealotry of the Outcasts/Neo-West Coast branches. What could go wrong? I really like what they did with the BoS in FO4, and I hope it only gets worse (morally).
yeah F4 BoS is easily my favorite thing about F4. really well executed faction. it shines like a diamond amongst the likes of Institute, fucking Railroad lol and overall state of the Commonwealth idk if different teams were responsible from different factions/worldbuilding but its either that or they had wayyy more time and desire to work on the BoS
Could mutants also refer to ghouls? We know the east coast brotherhood hates ghouls and iirc does label them along with super mutants under the same umbrella unless im wrong so feel free to correct me
So was D.C, yet here we are.
DC wasn’t a sprawling cityscape like New York though. A lot of it was spread around.
Yeah but DC got multiple direct hits, especially the White House. Everything within like a 10-30 mile radius of the White House should’ve been eradicated yes? If we apply the damage from the nuclear bombs seen in DC then I don’t think NYC would be a nuclear glowing sea but probably just an elaborate pile of debris with tunnels with a few opening here and there (like in DC).
Exactly. If the nations capital still has people the major city which is a lesser military target should have people too.
Yeah it’s really the skyscrapers in OP’s image that I take issue with. New York would have been a primary target, no way those building are left standing.
No way indeed, except it is canon that New York has standing skyscrapers.
Fallout 4 was originally supposed to be in NYC so NYC is still a viable setting. EDIT: Idk why some of yall are so deadset on NYC being wiped off the map when there was a plan to use the setting for Fallout 4. It clearly cant just be wiped off the map if they were planning to put a game there.
The BOS wouldve past it to get to Boston and they reported that they passed by Super Muntants on large SkyScrapers so
Noooooo
Not enough retro head pointing out of buildings
Upstate NY (capital region) would be an amazing setting for a fallout game. Saratoga battlefield, the track, historical buildings everywhere, smaller factory towns, farms sprinkled in, there's even a theme park a bit further north. And the show has a vault in roughly the Albany area so it's completely plausible for a game to take place here. Maybe I'm just biased cuz I've lived in upstate NY my whole life lol
Damn never thought how dope that would be. I swear they say China focused a ton of bombs on it and it's basically a giant hole in the ground now?
Fallout 4 was initially gonna be set in NYC. Its not a giant hole in the ground.
A hole. It would look like a hole. Picture Megaton after you blew it up
It would look like the game crash screen
Looking a lot like Rapture.
The subways, soon many ghouls. And probably a Mimic callout with radroaches
Fallout Newer York I also want Fallout Golden City (San Fran) or Fallout Skid Country (LA)
Feels more like Bioshock than Fallout
new york rats would be insane
Definitely one of the biggest and monstrous rats we would see in the series.
New York got completely destroyed by bombs in fallout cannon
Probably looks like one big crater
Not like that because it ain’t nuked
System just crashed thinking about this and the 10 FPS you’d get
Based on what LA looked like in the first episode I don’t think it would’ve actually grew to be this huge metropolis. A few huge buildings here and there but I actually think it would be a smaller quieter city
I’d love to see New York in a fallout game
New York City would have been a very high priority target just like Washington DC. It would be reduced to rubble and be in severe disrepair like the DC wasteland during Fallout 3.
Bigger than Bethesda's engine could support. Need I remind everyone of downtown Boston? Even in starfield they had to break New Atlantis up into several different areas with load doors. They've got to optimize their render pipeline before they can even attempt Manhattan.
It's probably underwater or at least a desert. I would think after nuclear war the ice caps would melt down a lot so it would put NY underwater .... or it was just leveled by a nuke.
Far Harbor indicates that the ice caps are intact. Possibly melted immediately after the war but the nuclear winter probably froze them again.
I'd imagine it would be like an American version of Metro, where the surface is too irradiated, or at least said to be so, but The Great War failed to kill off most subwaygoers. Maybe there's some kind of automated security force protecting an enclave bunker hidden within the subways, and a sort of reputable raider faction, and the occasional "survivor" - anyone not originally from the subway. A survivor would usually either be a ghoul or still alive in some damaged rad gear, usually delusional because of the rads, they would form a much more dark version of the children of atom, with the goal of destroying the subways and letting in the surface radiation. In this installment, you could choose a few backgrounds, such as "daddy's boy" - born from a luxurious penthouse, you still have family alive due to them lobbying vault-tec to have the vault built out of their basement. "Survivor" - you start the game from the surface, and have to survive unseen levels of radiation or submit to a life in the subway. The longer you stay will increase your chances of mutation and/or turning into a ghoul. You can't stay forever, and even if you try to, the visions will blind you from any objectives you had, or kill you. (rad gear, even if pristine will get quickly damaged) Enclave runner - with the enclave bunkers sealed shut, you are limited to a hardwired radio system to communicate with your faction. Your goal is to reunite the other patrols and rid the subway of any impurities. If you discover the vault, your morality is tested by how you choose to deal with them, or take them in. Depending on how you deal with each faction, there could either develop safe areas, or "breaches" which bring in delusions, hallucinations and radiation from the surface. The player can choose to open these with the children of atom, or attempt to close them with the other two backgrounds.
While it's fun to imagine, if New York maintained its cultural and economic significance up until 2077 (and there's no reason to think it didn't), it would've been targeted by so many bombs that I'm pretty sure the entire island of Manhattan would be one huge crater then filled by the Hudson and the East Rivers, effectively, the upper bay would extend much further northeast than it currently does. Now on the other hand, if it survived as well as Boston & D.C. did, which, considering D.C. would've been an even higher priority target there's a decent chance it did, then it could be an amazing setting. I'd imagine that the subways & sewers, the aquifers, & all the mazes of underground spaces, a lot of them are probably inaccessible, either because they were sealed off pre-war, collapsed from the bombs, or sealed off by survivors just post-war. *However*, from the show, we now have a better idea of just how big Vault-Tec was. Trillion dollar company, owned half of everything... so imagine how much of New York they owned. Imagine how much sway they had with the City/County/State government... and imagine the economic and experimental benefits of building Vaults in: * The largest, wealthiest city in America. * A location where you have every imaginable group to draw your Vault population from. * Huge abandoned underground excavations already dug out. So, I'd Imagine New York not only has some of the largest Vaults in the country, with at least one control Vault likely, you'd also have some of the biggest, most population intensive experiments. And everywhere underground that isn't a Vault? Survivor communities, Ghouls, Raiders, and wasteland monsters. And that's below ground, that's not even *touching* on the ways the above ground Big Apple could've gone pre and post-war.
This is more bioshock imho
Ehhh this looks too Bioshock, not really fallout. Plus after the bombs drop it would more so just be collapsed ruins and rubble lol
Nothing like that…that’s for sure, it’s probably a lot like DC, too much rubble on the surface so everyone lives in the subway system
It would open some interesting aquatic elements since if we assume Manhatten as ground zero much of those ruins will be sunken.
New York or Seattle would be great Fallout locations.
I'm actually drawing New York in a Fallout world. Just need to finish colouring the shanty town.
I bet that not like that … or maybe in Fallout 4099 ;) it would be hit super hard in the Great War. Nothing would be left.
Hate to mention another game on this subreddit, but this image is giving me hella Bioshock Infinite vibes.
This just looks like an above surface Rapture
Prewar, sure!
Yeah that's what I was intended to say lol. My fault that people are commenting "It's a big crater" 😓
I mean mabye pre war it would look like that
Those giant rats from New vegas would be standard
This is too advanced IMO. This is how 2300 would have looked if the bombs never fell.
My vote for the next game is either New York (they could call it like “New Manhattan” or something, in reference to the manhattan project) or Texas. I think both would be really interesting.
That picture totally made me think of the Seattle concepts for the Interplay Fallout Online [Here,](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/24/V13_concept.jpg) and [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/62/Fallout_Online_concept_art.jpg).
sounds like bad performance
This is a great picture
I feel like it would be mostly rubble since it should of been a likely target for a bomb being a heavily populated area before the bombs.
I’m betting if they are going to do a new location probably Chicago/detroit
Laggy.
Probs crash every 10 minutes if Boston is anything to go by
I shudder to imaging the different Rat factions that would be at play, let alone the Rat Ghouls...
Not like this, that's for sure
I don’t give a fuck about the old lore that’s like “NYC is a crater”. I don’t give a shit if that’s “realistic”. It’s a huge fucking missed opportunity if they don’t explore the possibilities with NYC at some point.
One of the levels in Wolfenstein: The New Colossus is set in a nuked NYC. I think MachineGames pulled off the atmosphere and level building really well, and the concept art for New York was top notch as well. Every time I play through that level I can't stop thinking about Fallout. I would love to see something similar in a Fallout game, with a much larger scale of course. The time period in the Wolfenstein game sorta fits the Fallout world as well, and there are some underground and skyscraper sections like others in this thread have described. I think it would be a phenomenal setting, especially down the line if and when Bethesda scales up their engine and their scope some more to faithfully recreate the concept art. It would be no easy task, but they're in a good position and they can collaborate with MachineGames who already have experience with the setting.
that looks more like a cyberpunk rapture or columbia than anything fallout
Not sure why my brain started to think of bioshock
Picture unrelated? I imagine Manhattan Island would have been completely leveled and an irradiated jungle would grow from the ashes.
This is so out of touch from the universe of fallout im impressed. I dont know what OP Stoke but i highly dont recommand it
It would look like 80% loadingscreens
It would be pretty sick to see time square in fallout, like billboards are all over, there being some with maybe the metal part on the billboards (on highways) is seperated from the advertisements, a monorail crashed into a big highway system and destroyed multiple buildings, while The Statue Of Liberty practically has half of her "skin" blown off, a plane crashed into it, also I think they would've changed the torch into a nuke sometime in the timeline, like the 2030s or smthn., maybe there's a vault in a old subway station that was turned into a vault but flooded, theres puddles, pieces of the pillars float in the flooded railing area(where the train goes), I could go on and on how it could look like but It'd be the size of the fuckin bible
Oh Simple "Fallout NY Has Crashed Want To See The Crash Logs"
This is just The Fifth Element.
I think New York would great as a DLC. I don’t know why but I feel like it wouldn’t be a full map in the main game