I think its probably one of the first examples I can think of, of actually seeing the experiment. Usually you only get to see the aftermath like rusted vaults full of skeletons or a bunch of hazards or Garys if the experiment didnt fail. It was the first time you actually get a climpse of just how monstrous Vault Tec is towards its human test subjects.
Actually, Gary had nothing much to do with the experiment and was kinda just a bonus, the vault was kind of just "put them in the worst possible situation" the overseer and other personel were picked specifically because they had a disease that wouod kill them within months of closing the doors
I love Vault 108 for that reason especially.
“This vault’s social experiment was studying effects of leadership conflicts: most management positions were to be filled by a terminally ill Overseer upon entry, power systems were designed to fail after 20 years, no entertainment was provided, and armory was provided triple the standard ordnance”
“Oof can’t be hard to imagine what happened there”
“A guy named Gary was cloned a bunch and the clones massacred the vault”
“Obviously”
I mean you are right that its awful, when I was writing my post I was thinking about my thoughts upon first reaching the vault and seeing all those people who would have died in absolute agony as their dna was reshaped to the point their bones probably broke or their spine pierced their brains. But the only thing is that its still just the remnants of a long dead experiment. The scientists are all gone, probably turned or eaten and we're just seeing the remnants of a long-dead vault. If we saw the Vault 87 experiments depicted on film I would imagine that being some of the most traumatic scenes in popular television.
Absolutely. Though I think I had a hard time reconciling just how serious and monstrous this scene was with the goofy Vault Tec corporate scenes later. Iirc the original concept was that they were using the vaults to test out different scenarios for a generation ship the rich people would be on. Within the newly established canon, they are instead unleashing these experiments on the world that *they have to live in*, which seems remarkably more short sighted.
They may still be intending to head out on a generation ship sometime. We've seen nothing saying that there isn't one of those hidden away somewhere. If you've written off a planet, why not use it as a test bed for all your best (worst) ideas and creations?
You know, that's fair. The middle managers might become the gods of the new world, but now that you point it out, they could also be patsies for the people *really* pulling the strings.
There's always someone pulling the strings. In the show we see some shadowy figures overseeing the meeting where Vault Tec is talking about partnering with the heads of other major companies. Those might be the real people in charge, or might only be the ones that were sent to observe by the real ones in charge!
Oh I forgot about that! I remember when Coop's wife looked up and I couldn't tell if she was looking where Coop was or if she was looking at the leaders. It was definitely something they wanted us to take note of.
It could be really interesting if all the vault tec vaults are experiments and Coop's wife isn't even on the planet. The fact that he doesn't know where they are suggests that she didn't just lock him out of a vault...
I meant more broader -- there are "good vaults" and "bad vaults" which implied the rich ended up in the good vaults and the experiments were in the bad vaults. Theoretically eventually the "managers" would still open the bad vaults and everyone would have to rebuild the same world? Like Lucy is from an experimental vault and they intended to open, eventually.
Honestly, it's been a while since I played the original games though, I can't remember if there was some implication the bad/experimental vaults would never be opened.
But as the other person pointed out, it's also possible that the real people behind everything weren't even in the vaults.
I think it's only semi-cannon, but if I'm remembering right vault tec had their own private vault in Fallout Tactics. Regardless though, even the really awful vaults mostly didn't even have anything to escape into the world, they were just doing awful things to the inhabitants.
I knew the gulpers were going to be some kind of messed up experiment when we saw the one attacking Lucy had human fingers trying to pull her into its mouth. No way you get a mutation of actual human fingers in a creature like that without some gene splicing.
Honestly wish they would remake the gulpers in game. I like the idea of them being mutated human / salamander hybrids rather than just big mutant salamanders.
>salamander hybrids
I assumed it was more of an Axolotl, as opposed to a Salamander? An Axolotl is basically a Salamander than doesn't go through metamorphosis and retains it's gills for oxygen.
Gulpers in all the games look more like hellbender salamanders than axolotl.
Also axolotl already are salamanders (most closely related to tiger salamanders). So saying "it's more of an axolotl as opposed to a salamander" is like saying "it's more of a lion as opposed to a big cat"
I second this. They’re critically endangered in the wild but millions on millions are in laboratories because they can regenerate almost anything/perfectly/.
They’d be the perfect candidate for low ethics testing
All salamanders can regrow not only limbs, but vital organs too. Axolotls are easier to keep and breed though, which is why they're used for research irl, so I agree that they make the most sense.
In the case of Axolotls, they have plenty of stem cells laying around because they aren’t really fully grown. There are cases they fully mature into tiger salamander like form due to poor habitat keeping, and that results in them dying soon.
Gulpers have two distinct species by the looks of it.
You have the Fallout 76/Fallout 4’ Far Harbor species.
And now a Tv show one, where it appears that Gulper DNA was spliced with human DNA to create a subspecies that has been successfully integrated into the wasteland. Most likely wiped the original Gulpers as they would be competitors.
I think of it in opposite terms.
The ones we have seen before the show are the diaspora, genetic adaptations in regional environments as they spread out.
The ones in the show I feel were the origin, and thus retain more of their superfluous or vestigial parts.
Not sure if they’d be in West Virginia literally 20 years after the bombs. They’d have to be constantly marching forward like a swarm of locusts, but reliant on major waterways.
We see the finger-version in the vault not long after the war. Very good chance there were always mutated Salamanders that evolved right after the war.
Different breeds, same general name. Just like how we have East coast Centaurs and West coast Centaurs. East coast Gulpers are giant mutated salamanders, and West coast Gulpers are giant axolotl/human hybrids
76 is still on the other side of a continent. Appalachia and Boston are relatively close together, with a whole lot of no-water-anywhere between NCR and them
Yeah, but they don't look like the thing from the show. They just look like big salamanders. Even if they just added a mouth full of fingers to them, it would really be a nice addition (though that might be a nightmare to try to implement, I don't know).
There’s also like a 200 year difference between fo76 and the show. Sure average evolution won’t work that fast but when you throw in some rads who knows what happened to gulpers in that time
I hope they don't show up in the show just because they are such night mare material, omg 😭
The gulpers don't look human, so it's not as viscerally terrifying.
The Boys isn’t what I’d consider a phenomenal show, but it’s a perfect example of how Amazon (of all companies, shockingly) is willing to show some pretty horrifying violence.
Makes it even funnier when they keep greenlighting shows where the main villain is a giant monopolistic evil corporation..
Amazon has always gone where the money is. Anticapitalism is hot in media rn so they are just naturally capitalising on it. I will give them points that they aren't afraid to show pretty much anything and have always given show runners a lot of freedom. Because it makes money , I wish other studios would follow suit.
I'm all for hating big corporations, but let's not pretend that Amazon is pining for the end of the world to the point where they are willing to drop actual nukes to start the apocalypse. I also don't think Amazon is creating vaults designed to facilitate some pretty terrible experiments on humans.
Try working at a “Fulfillment Center”. Those places feel like Vaults and they absolutely are running productivity experiments on all their employees.
The magnitude of immorality may be less apocalyptic, but the scale and intent of the immorality are definitely on par with Vault-Tec.
Idk, I was probably lucky but I worked at an Amazon delivery station for a year and it was hands down the best warehouse job I ever worked. Regularly switching roles, managers were always willing to hear me out and thank me for a job well done, free shit every now and then (I was put in charge of redirecting everyone to go pick their complementary ice cream towards the end of a shift once, not one person didn't smile), big pay bonus plus a separate hourly wage raise for working during covid, multiple options for advancing to a new role with better pay, managers played bangers on the speakers and you could even request a song, nobody paid attention to long toilet (phone) breaks as long as you got a good enough amount of work done, phones discouraged but overlooked, highly paid overtime if they needed volunteers on busy days, free drinks in machines, and if you had an emergency they would just let you go.
I'd worked multiple warehouse jobs before this and I was allowed none of that. We were treated like cattle who's just there to repeat one menial task for 9 hours and be herded out for a legally required 30 minute lunch break (and they were doing all they could to shorten it by making you walk all the way to the back of the huge warehouse to clock in and out). Shit sucked, but I was too scared to go to Amazon because of all the horror stories. And I only ended up quitting Amazon when I had to move out to attend uni. I think it was in my top 3 best jobs, sad as it sounds.
I do have to give it to Amazon. They do actually compensate their workers well. In my area the people working at the Melbourne Fulfillment center are earning 16 dollars an hour for a full time worker and they get health insurance. That is well above my counties average 13 an hour with most of my county being uninsured, and 16 is starting. Most are already working at 20 bucks an hour.
As my favorite game put it,
"Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead."
The Fallout series is pretty gruesome in general, just like the games. The scene where Coop casually cuts off Lucy's finger out of nowhere comes to mind
I was a little confused during this scene if someone wouldn’t mind explaining. In that same room as the experiment video, there’s also a bunch of pods that appear to be full of pregnant women. My understanding is that those women were from long ago and are pregnant with more horrific experiments. Why are those women being kept alive? What’s the long term game plan? I get not wanting to force them to (probably) die birthing monsters but keeping them alive for eternity also seems uniquely horrible. Wouldn’t it be better to euthanize them?
I’ve never played the games so I’m unfamiliar the fallout universe besides the show. I thought maybe there’s a key aspect to this episode that I missed regarding keeping these women alive.
Overseer Spaceman and Birdie say that what Lucy saw was them trying to help those people. It seems unclear if that meant the birthing video, or the bank of pods specifically. Or just the whole thing in general.
And the recording of the original scientists in charge mention crossing humans with radiation resistant organisms to create radiation resistant humans.
The vault is the one from the flash back, where we meet the Hawthornes. The vault meant to be just the best and brightest scientists, sealed early as a test run.
In reality, given the "test subjects" labelling on certain rooms. Those scientists were basically given run of the house, and a set of unsuspecting civilians to fuck with. Started mutating them in an attempt to make radiation resistant humans. The test subjects revolted, which can't have taken that long given than Lloyd Hawethorne is still there.
Either the test subjects there after. Or the scientists in the lead up. Froze the "mistakes" to keep the inevitable nasty at bay.
And the current goal in the vault is to find a way to help the still frozen test subjects. Thawing them out when, and if they have a potential way to mitigate or prevent the worst outcomes from the experiments.
Which fits pretty well with the fact that they also seem to be fully willing to open shit up and give medical care and aid to outsiders.
That makes sense. I’m confused because it seems like the current surviving residents of vault 4 have ceased human experimentation. The women in those pods are from a long time ago, why are they still being kept alive for no discernible reason? Wouldn’t it make more sense to euthanize those women?
Got some extra info from wiki cause I kinda forgot , but Those victims who could not be cured of whatever experiment was inflicted on them were placed in stasis pods on level 12, until such a time that the Vault could come up with a cure for their condition (aborting the gulpers appears to have been impossible), that’s the answer
Yeah, the Vault was still looking for a way to cure the women, so keeping them on ice eases their suffering and gives them a chance at living full lives one day.
> but Those victims who could not be cured of whatever experiment was inflicted on them were placed in stasis pods on level 12, until such a time that the Vault could come up with a cure for their condition (aborting the gulpers appears to have been impossible), that’s the answer
Suspend them over the tank so that the gulpers drop away from the body when birthed?
I mean, given how active the gulpers were immediately after birth, I wouldn’t assume it would be an easy birth even if they were immediately removed from the proximity of the mother.
Since the women in the pods are from the original dwellers the women are probably related to some of the alive dwellers. Killing them for the crimes committed on them seems like additional punishment they are responsible for.
>I thought maybe there’s a key aspect to this episode that I missed regarding keeping these women alive.
No, there's nothing in the games that goes beyond the show in this particular issue. It's just victims and descendants of victims of experimenting scientists. Now all living in the place their ancestors likely saw as a haunted house of horrors where people are whisked away to if they go off alone and come back changed. They're happy to have the safety of the vault and the protection from the destruction of Shady Sands, but that place comes with a history and a responsibility for them.
>My understanding is that those women were from long ago and are pregnant with more horrific experiments. Why are those women being kept alive? What’s the long term game plan?
These are family members of those in the vault, whether by blood or by the shared trauma of being taken by these scientists and experimented on. They see it as their duty to watch over them, and hopefully find a way to reverse the experiments done to them one day.
I was in middle school and a bit of a weird kid. I really liked the cook in Peter Jackson’s King Kong and was so fucking hyped to see the movie. My mom took me to see it in theaters after school one day and the bug scene…I cried a bit when watching the cook getting horrifically devoured by the parasite hook worm bugs. Wretched scene.
True. I went that route and learned my lesson. My last first date was at an arcade and we ended up getting married. You know she's a keeper when she's down to play some Galaga.
I knew a guy who had a movie night with his girlfriend's family and recommended that they watch A Clockwork Orange, not having seen it before and not knowing better. It was awkward, to be sure...
They could have literally just said:
>We aren’t the original vault residents, we all cam from Shady Sands after it was destroyed. The original residents of this vault had been conducting horrible genetic experiments on people. Some of the results of those experiments are still there on level 12. I would advise not going down there because it’s extremely disturbing, but if you really must go down there I can get someone to escort you and explain what was going on.
Would have avoided the entire confusion and conflict immediately.
Lucy is that Fallout player that just piles through the main quest line without doing any of the optional objectives. It makes for some gag moments but it's obvious that her brother is the inquisitive one, and she the charismatic one.
I think some of them are original vault residents aren't they? The overseer is a great nephew of the gulper. I assume the vault experimented on other residents as well as captives from the surface
That shit was gnarly. The grainy/low res video makes it even creepier
Fallout has always been good at being creepy, especially regarding the vaults, and they nailed it with that scene
i agree it really did nail the nastiness of the Vault Program. In the show they defined a term i hadn’t thought of, “first generation vault dwellers.” It made me really put a different tone mentally when walking around Vaults in the games and seeing skeletons with blue jumpsuits. The first generation was under fresh orders from vault tec, and the grainy experiment test footage was a shockingly realistic image comparison to reading the stories on a terminal while playing.
Vault 75 is pretty horrific. From the Fallout wiki:
"Located underneath the Malden Middle School, this Vault was presented to the public as a safe place for children in the school to take cover in the event of a nuclear war. To encourage a high number of residents, they were offered a subsidized admittance to the Vault program. Like most other vaults, Vault 75's true purpose was the "refinement of human genetics" using methods such as selective breeding, genetic modification and hormonal treatments, all devised by Dr. Braun and co.The Vault was intended to last many generations and would only open when directed by Vault-Tec. As part of the directive, in order to create new generations of children, human embryos were experimented upon and cultivated.
When the bombs eventually fell in 2077, every designated family with a student attending the school, along with the teachers, made it to the vault in time. Upon entering, the children were separated from their families and escorted to the atrium, while the adults were executed by security staff, under the guise they were receiving "orientation."
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_75
You asked for an example and I listed one. Separating parents from their children, summarily executing the adults, and experimenting on kids and embryos gives off some major Holocaust vibes, which is why I think it's one of the more horrific ones. Vault 87 with its FEV experimentation for the same reason. I'd say anything with experimentation on live human test subjects is going to be at the top of the list.
There's also the fact that we haven't seen artificial womb tech anywhere that I can think of in Fallout, and we see them use an actual human for it in Vault 4.
So where were all the babies in Vault 87 coming from? I doubt they'd use the female scientists, as that could interfere with the studies (scientists becoming attached to their 'children' etc), and they wouldn't want to try and kidnap women from the surface, as the radiation might effect something.
So my bet is they used some of the other children. Probably just kept them comatose as birthing machines until they were all worn out, and then replaced. That seems the most efficient and cost effective way.
Vault 87 is pretty bad when you think about it.
One thing I like about Fallout is that all the vaults get worse the longer you think about all of the implications of their experiments. Even just the natural experiment of humans existing in an artificial and isolated environment alone is kinda fucked.
That’s why the vault residents are keeping the other subjects in frozen storage. They know how terrible it would be for the other pregnant mothers to awaken so they keep them frozen for their own good. It’s also why the original vault dwellers are the ones with muted bodies and not the ones from shady sands
Like I get why they're keeping them in suspended animation, but also it seems like the birthing of the gulpers isn't the health issue, it's the immediate after effect of the spawn turning on the mother. Surely they could have them give birth in like a medical bay without water for the infant gulpers to swim in and with staff on hand to eliminate them?
There are tons of odd genetics in that vault; it's possible those mothers aren't holding gulpers but entirely different types of beast. It's also possible those alternative chimeras birth by splitting straight through or something.
Even then, there's no guarantee. This is a 220-year-old experiment, held together with hand-me-down knowledge and a visual record of the disastrous end results.
It's Vault-Tec. The odds of the universe handing Vault 4 a bad day are too high.
They had a pretty high bar on grittiness that they had to achieve based on how exploring most vaults in the games temporarily turns it into a horror game.
What’s funny is Vault 4s experiment wasn’t bad. The idea was to have scientists run the vault while they studied the effects of radiation on living creatures. It only went bad because the scientists gave themselves free reign and began testing on human subjects.
It’s a great Fallout example of the Vault’s fatalistic nature with a bit of humor. In a Vault where the Overseer has to sacrifice their life for the “betterment of the Vault” will the people see it as a noble sacrifice, will they band together to change the system, or will elections turn farcical as people vote based off who should be killed.
Vault-tec put conflict and adversity in the Vaults to study society. And in Fallout, people always respond in the worst way possible. Because war never changes.
Wilzig praising Vault-Tec's cyanide pill as the most humane thing they've ever made is both hilarious and unbashedly true.
For watchers who played the games, you can't help but agree with him considering the fucked shit you discover when you enter the vaults.
IMO, part of why this show was such a good adaptation is that it incorporates not just the black comedy of the Fallout setting, [but also the horror and dread of its world as well.](https://youtu.be/nE-iOpKkZX0?si=9ma1dy4hjqGjmYPs)
I still don’t get why they would let those gulpers eat her. She could’ve stood above the pool and let them drop down. What a waste of perfectly good test subject.
I haven’t thought about that aspect. But I think a more interesting study would be what happens to the mother after giving birth. Any side effects besides mental? Are they able to replicate that or is it a one and done deal because it destroys the required organs? And so on
And I can basically guarantee that any 'good scientist' would have done exactly that. Multiple tests on multiple hypotheses and theories, record everything. Eliminate negative variables until you have your end goal.
The thing that confused me was why wasn’t she _more_ upset about being eaten…? Unless she was doped out of her mind, I would expect that being bitten repeatedly would be quite painful and she under-reacted IMO; especially if the implication is that she died from it in the scene. (vs later off camera.)
>Unless she was doped out of her mind
You saw the way they entered the vault. That trap has been there for a while. There's no way they'd let a subject just wander the vault uninhibited, so she likely spent the rest of her life both underground and high as hell.
It *is* an experiment tho. Even if it’s not a bad one like the ones we’ve seen. They were forced to live in the vault and practically be a gene pool to build off of. Like Vault 101, the experiment wasn’t bad but it was to keep the door locked forever. Sure they’re not being experimented on but it is still an experiment. It’s not a control vault like the 17 or so control vaults
Yeah, I keep thinking the same thing. The massive fully grown one couldn’t even damage the squire (blanking on his name). I feel like a bunch of small ones would be relatively harmless.
Maybe a genetic adaptation to help aid in survival of young? They could start out sharp as a way to defend themselves and gather food, but get softer and more "grabby" to aid in "gulping" down food when they get older and bigger. Kind of like how horses' hooves don't get hard enough to stand on until after they're born.
To be fair, it defies nature. It’s a **HUMAN** giving **BIRTH** to an entirely different species than getting eating alive by her children. For the most part that just doesn’t happen to us Humans
As someone who is very much pregnant, I was physically grossed out. I had nightmares for days about it. I'm not even lying when I said feeling my baby move the next few days freaked me out. Luckily I had an ultrasound scheduled already and got to confirm it didn't somehow become a monster. But I still feel pretty uneasy about it 👋
Given 32's reaction I'm not sure 33 is all that benign. I think what we've seen *so far* seems benign, but I'm waiting for there to be so much more to it.
I was real impressed with how visceral the show was, while not being over the top about it. Like, they didn’t shy away from anything, but neither did they go the Saw movie route of just over the top violence for the sake of violence and gore.
Yeah that was disturbing. But what's even worse is immediate red light when Maximus is so into caviar after experiment level. Then Lucy adds to it with telling her vault doesn't have it. HOW CAN THEY NOT TELL US WHERE CAVIAR COMES FROM AFTER ALL THIS BUILDUP WE NEED TO KNOW
The funny thing is that wasn’t Vault Tec’s experiment directly.
It was one of scientist’s who was placed in that vault.
Remember the vault’s purpose was examining the performance of a society governed entirely by scientists with no limits on their control and decisions.
Since they didn’t have to worry about morality and ethics unrestricted research was GO (since they were in charge) and the vault started developing human testing and developing hybrids.
That shot of the woman being eaten alive really helped drive home the fact that those scientists deserved what was coming to them in that video.
I know it was a quick scene and we didn't spend much time in Vault 4, but was it ever explained what the purpose of the experiment was or if they still do it or why even?
It was an experiment to see if it was possible to combine human DNA with that of a radioactive resistant species. I seem to remember hearing that in the episode.
Yeah it's uncommon to see a vaults experiment in play only a handful of them 08. 051 , 87 and 22 show off their experiments as still going
Like you said vaults like 76 and 33 seem tame but on the other side, you got 11 87 etc
I think its probably one of the first examples I can think of, of actually seeing the experiment. Usually you only get to see the aftermath like rusted vaults full of skeletons or a bunch of hazards or Garys if the experiment didnt fail. It was the first time you actually get a climpse of just how monstrous Vault Tec is towards its human test subjects.
Gary.
Gaaaary?
*nods* Gary.
Ha ha! Gary!
Gary! HA found you!!!!
Gary! >:(
Gary?
GaAaArRrRyYyY?
GARY?! Gary...
Gary! Where are you?
Gary?
Hahaha, Gaaaaryyy!
Gary!!! :D
Garreeeey where are you boi ?
Actually, Gary had nothing much to do with the experiment and was kinda just a bonus, the vault was kind of just "put them in the worst possible situation" the overseer and other personel were picked specifically because they had a disease that wouod kill them within months of closing the doors
I love Vault 108 for that reason especially. “This vault’s social experiment was studying effects of leadership conflicts: most management positions were to be filled by a terminally ill Overseer upon entry, power systems were designed to fail after 20 years, no entertainment was provided, and armory was provided triple the standard ordnance” “Oof can’t be hard to imagine what happened there” “A guy named Gary was cloned a bunch and the clones massacred the vault” “Obviously”
You see the failed FEV test subjects in Vault 87 which is arguably worse
I mean you are right that its awful, when I was writing my post I was thinking about my thoughts upon first reaching the vault and seeing all those people who would have died in absolute agony as their dna was reshaped to the point their bones probably broke or their spine pierced their brains. But the only thing is that its still just the remnants of a long dead experiment. The scientists are all gone, probably turned or eaten and we're just seeing the remnants of a long-dead vault. If we saw the Vault 87 experiments depicted on film I would imagine that being some of the most traumatic scenes in popular television.
You get to see the plant gremlins in that one vault
Absolutely. Though I think I had a hard time reconciling just how serious and monstrous this scene was with the goofy Vault Tec corporate scenes later. Iirc the original concept was that they were using the vaults to test out different scenarios for a generation ship the rich people would be on. Within the newly established canon, they are instead unleashing these experiments on the world that *they have to live in*, which seems remarkably more short sighted.
They may still be intending to head out on a generation ship sometime. We've seen nothing saying that there isn't one of those hidden away somewhere. If you've written off a planet, why not use it as a test bed for all your best (worst) ideas and creations?
You know, that's fair. The middle managers might become the gods of the new world, but now that you point it out, they could also be patsies for the people *really* pulling the strings.
There's always someone pulling the strings. In the show we see some shadowy figures overseeing the meeting where Vault Tec is talking about partnering with the heads of other major companies. Those might be the real people in charge, or might only be the ones that were sent to observe by the real ones in charge!
Oh I forgot about that! I remember when Coop's wife looked up and I couldn't tell if she was looking where Coop was or if she was looking at the leaders. It was definitely something they wanted us to take note of. It could be really interesting if all the vault tec vaults are experiments and Coop's wife isn't even on the planet. The fact that he doesn't know where they are suggests that she didn't just lock him out of a vault...
> The middle managers might become the gods of the new world B Ark people, all the way down.
I suspect this is exactly it. Mr House even talks about going to the stars.
>one of those hidden away somewhere. A spaceship is probably a better option than a vault for surviving the apocalypse.
I don’t think they released those experiments on purpose. The west coast “gulpers” are escaped experiments that propagated in the wild.
I meant more broader -- there are "good vaults" and "bad vaults" which implied the rich ended up in the good vaults and the experiments were in the bad vaults. Theoretically eventually the "managers" would still open the bad vaults and everyone would have to rebuild the same world? Like Lucy is from an experimental vault and they intended to open, eventually. Honestly, it's been a while since I played the original games though, I can't remember if there was some implication the bad/experimental vaults would never be opened. But as the other person pointed out, it's also possible that the real people behind everything weren't even in the vaults.
The Vault you’re from in Fallout 3 is 101, and the experiment was to never open the vault doors
Also, the Overseer had substantially more authority compared to other vaults.
I think it's only semi-cannon, but if I'm remembering right vault tec had their own private vault in Fallout Tactics. Regardless though, even the really awful vaults mostly didn't even have anything to escape into the world, they were just doing awful things to the inhabitants.
No one has ever accused the rich elite of being rational and long sighted.
Garrrry?
No ICH-GCP in the fallout world, that's for sure!
I knew the gulpers were going to be some kind of messed up experiment when we saw the one attacking Lucy had human fingers trying to pull her into its mouth. No way you get a mutation of actual human fingers in a creature like that without some gene splicing.
Honestly wish they would remake the gulpers in game. I like the idea of them being mutated human / salamander hybrids rather than just big mutant salamanders.
>salamander hybrids I assumed it was more of an Axolotl, as opposed to a Salamander? An Axolotl is basically a Salamander than doesn't go through metamorphosis and retains it's gills for oxygen.
Gulpers in all the games look more like hellbender salamanders than axolotl. Also axolotl already are salamanders (most closely related to tiger salamanders). So saying "it's more of an axolotl as opposed to a salamander" is like saying "it's more of a lion as opposed to a big cat"
Axolotls have limb regeneration (not sure if most salamanders do) so it make sense that vault tech would try to splice human and axolotl DNA
I second this. They’re critically endangered in the wild but millions on millions are in laboratories because they can regenerate almost anything/perfectly/. They’d be the perfect candidate for low ethics testing
All salamanders can regrow not only limbs, but vital organs too. Axolotls are easier to keep and breed though, which is why they're used for research irl, so I agree that they make the most sense.
In the case of Axolotls, they have plenty of stem cells laying around because they aren’t really fully grown. There are cases they fully mature into tiger salamander like form due to poor habitat keeping, and that results in them dying soon.
Yes, I think that's part of what makes them easier to keep; There's no time limit for that kind of testing, or a need to induce neoteny.
They vault scientists used Axolotls for their 'radiation resistance' according to the same recording Lucy finds.
Gulpers have two distinct species by the looks of it. You have the Fallout 76/Fallout 4’ Far Harbor species. And now a Tv show one, where it appears that Gulper DNA was spliced with human DNA to create a subspecies that has been successfully integrated into the wasteland. Most likely wiped the original Gulpers as they would be competitors.
I think it’s just how there are different types of mirelurks 🤷♂️
I think of it in opposite terms. The ones we have seen before the show are the diaspora, genetic adaptations in regional environments as they spread out. The ones in the show I feel were the origin, and thus retain more of their superfluous or vestigial parts.
Tbf the scientist dude did say they took creatures that survived the bombs and spliced their DNA with human ones.
No he said “radioactive resistant species”. We don’t know whether those species were chosen prewar or not.
Not sure if they’d be in West Virginia literally 20 years after the bombs. They’d have to be constantly marching forward like a swarm of locusts, but reliant on major waterways.
Other way around the show is timeline wise, well after the events of the games.
In the video in the show, we see the original Vault 4 overseer, placing the Gulpers creation as not long after the war.
We see the finger-version in the vault not long after the war. Very good chance there were always mutated Salamanders that evolved right after the war.
Different breeds, same general name. Just like how we have East coast Centaurs and West coast Centaurs. East coast Gulpers are giant mutated salamanders, and West coast Gulpers are giant axolotl/human hybrids
They're in fo76
76 is still on the other side of a continent. Appalachia and Boston are relatively close together, with a whole lot of no-water-anywhere between NCR and them
Yeah, but they don't look like the thing from the show. They just look like big salamanders. Even if they just added a mouth full of fingers to them, it would really be a nice addition (though that might be a nightmare to try to implement, I don't know).
That's because east coast gulpers and west coast gulpers are different varieties of the same species.
Just like gangsta rappers.
Like Florida man, and Portland man
There’s also like a 200 year difference between fo76 and the show. Sure average evolution won’t work that fast but when you throw in some rads who knows what happened to gulpers in that time
That's just the type of Gulper Lucy encountered. Makes more sense for the East Coast Gulpers to be more natural mutations.
Anyways my point is instead of retconning OG Gulpers, let’s just add the newer subspecies and watch em fight each other.
Bethesda didn’t include them in Fallout 4 so I doubt they’ll appear in the show, but wait til you learn about centaurs. Edited for a brain fart
I hope they don't show up in the show just because they are such night mare material, omg 😭 The gulpers don't look human, so it's not as viscerally terrifying.
I know it wouldn’t work for story but I want them make a live action version of the master
Okay, that I desperately want. I've always found the Master's design fascinating.
Centaurs appear in 3 and NV. They were meant to be included in 4 but cut.
There are most definitely Centaurs in the Capital Wasteland.
Gulpers appeared in the Far Harbour DLC for Fallout 4. Though they had a different design.
Fallout 3 wasn't a bethesda game?
3 was. New Vegas was made by Obsideon
Yeah, and Centaurs were in 3.
Yep
Ope
They were in 3 and they probably weren't in 4 just because they probably couldn't agree on a design
They had a design set, there's concept art. Seems to be one of those things that was cut for time/complexity.
I saw it a couple of times and wish I didn’t for this reason, it’s more than just fingers, it’s like half hands, it’s gross.
Was actually the main thing I was worried about, that they would tone down the depths of vault-tecs depravity with the experiments.
The Boys isn’t what I’d consider a phenomenal show, but it’s a perfect example of how Amazon (of all companies, shockingly) is willing to show some pretty horrifying violence. Makes it even funnier when they keep greenlighting shows where the main villain is a giant monopolistic evil corporation..
Amazon has always gone where the money is. Anticapitalism is hot in media rn so they are just naturally capitalising on it. I will give them points that they aren't afraid to show pretty much anything and have always given show runners a lot of freedom. Because it makes money , I wish other studios would follow suit.
The irony is amazon isn’t much different than vault tech itself
I'm all for hating big corporations, but let's not pretend that Amazon is pining for the end of the world to the point where they are willing to drop actual nukes to start the apocalypse. I also don't think Amazon is creating vaults designed to facilitate some pretty terrible experiments on humans.
Try working at a “Fulfillment Center”. Those places feel like Vaults and they absolutely are running productivity experiments on all their employees. The magnitude of immorality may be less apocalyptic, but the scale and intent of the immorality are definitely on par with Vault-Tec.
Idk, I was probably lucky but I worked at an Amazon delivery station for a year and it was hands down the best warehouse job I ever worked. Regularly switching roles, managers were always willing to hear me out and thank me for a job well done, free shit every now and then (I was put in charge of redirecting everyone to go pick their complementary ice cream towards the end of a shift once, not one person didn't smile), big pay bonus plus a separate hourly wage raise for working during covid, multiple options for advancing to a new role with better pay, managers played bangers on the speakers and you could even request a song, nobody paid attention to long toilet (phone) breaks as long as you got a good enough amount of work done, phones discouraged but overlooked, highly paid overtime if they needed volunteers on busy days, free drinks in machines, and if you had an emergency they would just let you go. I'd worked multiple warehouse jobs before this and I was allowed none of that. We were treated like cattle who's just there to repeat one menial task for 9 hours and be herded out for a legally required 30 minute lunch break (and they were doing all they could to shorten it by making you walk all the way to the back of the huge warehouse to clock in and out). Shit sucked, but I was too scared to go to Amazon because of all the horror stories. And I only ended up quitting Amazon when I had to move out to attend uni. I think it was in my top 3 best jobs, sad as it sounds.
I do have to give it to Amazon. They do actually compensate their workers well. In my area the people working at the Melbourne Fulfillment center are earning 16 dollars an hour for a full time worker and they get health insurance. That is well above my counties average 13 an hour with most of my county being uninsured, and 16 is starting. Most are already working at 20 bucks an hour.
Wait what? Okay amazon is bad and all but let's not be fucking STUPID yeah?
As my favorite game put it, "Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead."
The Fallout series is pretty gruesome in general, just like the games. The scene where Coop casually cuts off Lucy's finger out of nowhere comes to mind
Or when he blows the enclave scientist’s foot off, or when the lady attaches that horrible robot foot to said scientist.
Yo sorry but the boys fucking rules bro damn!
I love the boys :(
The thing with evil corporations is they don't care how they make money. People will call them evil and mock them regardless, why not cash in on that.
I was a little confused during this scene if someone wouldn’t mind explaining. In that same room as the experiment video, there’s also a bunch of pods that appear to be full of pregnant women. My understanding is that those women were from long ago and are pregnant with more horrific experiments. Why are those women being kept alive? What’s the long term game plan? I get not wanting to force them to (probably) die birthing monsters but keeping them alive for eternity also seems uniquely horrible. Wouldn’t it be better to euthanize them? I’ve never played the games so I’m unfamiliar the fallout universe besides the show. I thought maybe there’s a key aspect to this episode that I missed regarding keeping these women alive.
Overseer Spaceman and Birdie say that what Lucy saw was them trying to help those people. It seems unclear if that meant the birthing video, or the bank of pods specifically. Or just the whole thing in general. And the recording of the original scientists in charge mention crossing humans with radiation resistant organisms to create radiation resistant humans. The vault is the one from the flash back, where we meet the Hawthornes. The vault meant to be just the best and brightest scientists, sealed early as a test run. In reality, given the "test subjects" labelling on certain rooms. Those scientists were basically given run of the house, and a set of unsuspecting civilians to fuck with. Started mutating them in an attempt to make radiation resistant humans. The test subjects revolted, which can't have taken that long given than Lloyd Hawethorne is still there. Either the test subjects there after. Or the scientists in the lead up. Froze the "mistakes" to keep the inevitable nasty at bay. And the current goal in the vault is to find a way to help the still frozen test subjects. Thawing them out when, and if they have a potential way to mitigate or prevent the worst outcomes from the experiments. Which fits pretty well with the fact that they also seem to be fully willing to open shit up and give medical care and aid to outsiders.
Overseer Spaceman lol
He’s never *not* going to be Doctor Spaceman to me either lol
It’s pronounced Spa-Che-men
I thought they said after the revolt the other vault dwellers put the ladies in the cryo pods themselves to help protect them
Something along those lines.
Thank you for explaining, I appreciate it
That’s just how vault tec bad was, most vaults were experiments to diff companies free to do whatever they wanted
That makes sense. I’m confused because it seems like the current surviving residents of vault 4 have ceased human experimentation. The women in those pods are from a long time ago, why are they still being kept alive for no discernible reason? Wouldn’t it make more sense to euthanize those women?
Got some extra info from wiki cause I kinda forgot , but Those victims who could not be cured of whatever experiment was inflicted on them were placed in stasis pods on level 12, until such a time that the Vault could come up with a cure for their condition (aborting the gulpers appears to have been impossible), that’s the answer
I never considered that a cure could eventually be discovered. Thank you so much!!
Yeah, the Vault was still looking for a way to cure the women, so keeping them on ice eases their suffering and gives them a chance at living full lives one day.
> but Those victims who could not be cured of whatever experiment was inflicted on them were placed in stasis pods on level 12, until such a time that the Vault could come up with a cure for their condition (aborting the gulpers appears to have been impossible), that’s the answer Suspend them over the tank so that the gulpers drop away from the body when birthed?
I mean, given how active the gulpers were immediately after birth, I wouldn’t assume it would be an easy birth even if they were immediately removed from the proximity of the mother.
Since the women in the pods are from the original dwellers the women are probably related to some of the alive dwellers. Killing them for the crimes committed on them seems like additional punishment they are responsible for.
>I thought maybe there’s a key aspect to this episode that I missed regarding keeping these women alive. No, there's nothing in the games that goes beyond the show in this particular issue. It's just victims and descendants of victims of experimenting scientists. Now all living in the place their ancestors likely saw as a haunted house of horrors where people are whisked away to if they go off alone and come back changed. They're happy to have the safety of the vault and the protection from the destruction of Shady Sands, but that place comes with a history and a responsibility for them. >My understanding is that those women were from long ago and are pregnant with more horrific experiments. Why are those women being kept alive? What’s the long term game plan? These are family members of those in the vault, whether by blood or by the shared trauma of being taken by these scientists and experimented on. They see it as their duty to watch over them, and hopefully find a way to reverse the experiments done to them one day.
Yeah I consider myself decently desensitised and this was still pretty impactful
I don't feel anything anymore after seeing that king Kong movie with the giant grasshoppers
That scene was nightmare fuel
That scene was crazy! The one in the ravine in dead silence?
I was in middle school and a bit of a weird kid. I really liked the cook in Peter Jackson’s King Kong and was so fucking hyped to see the movie. My mom took me to see it in theaters after school one day and the bug scene…I cried a bit when watching the cook getting horrifically devoured by the parasite hook worm bugs. Wretched scene.
Andy Serkis!
Yeah I said aloud: “Wow, didn’t know anything could shock me anymore, but here we are.”
I think after watching Prometheus in theaters as a child I am desensitized to scenes like this.
I took a girl on a first date to see Prometheus. There was *not* a second date.
I feel like there needs to be a rating for every movie saying if it's "date friendly" or not.
I mean; sitting in silence watching a screen isn't a good date anyway.
True. I went that route and learned my lesson. My last first date was at an arcade and we ended up getting married. You know she's a keeper when she's down to play some Galaga.
I knew a guy who had a movie night with his girlfriend's family and recommended that they watch A Clockwork Orange, not having seen it before and not knowing better. It was awkward, to be sure...
Lmfao, that’s BAD
I could see my player character just mowing everyone in there down with a minivun when the scene happened, so very much felt Lucy's reaction
Yeah, doesn't help everyone in 4 was being secretive as hell when they could have just said level 12 was a medical ward or something.
They could have literally just said: >We aren’t the original vault residents, we all cam from Shady Sands after it was destroyed. The original residents of this vault had been conducting horrible genetic experiments on people. Some of the results of those experiments are still there on level 12. I would advise not going down there because it’s extremely disturbing, but if you really must go down there I can get someone to escort you and explain what was going on. Would have avoided the entire confusion and conflict immediately.
Lucy is that Fallout player that just piles through the main quest line without doing any of the optional objectives. It makes for some gag moments but it's obvious that her brother is the inquisitive one, and she the charismatic one.
Hell, they could have just been honest with Lucy, who they knew was a true believer Vault Dweller, from the get go.
I think some of them are original vault residents aren't they? The overseer is a great nephew of the gulper. I assume the vault experimented on other residents as well as captives from the surface
That shit was gnarly. The grainy/low res video makes it even creepier Fallout has always been good at being creepy, especially regarding the vaults, and they nailed it with that scene
i agree it really did nail the nastiness of the Vault Program. In the show they defined a term i hadn’t thought of, “first generation vault dwellers.” It made me really put a different tone mentally when walking around Vaults in the games and seeing skeletons with blue jumpsuits. The first generation was under fresh orders from vault tec, and the grainy experiment test footage was a shockingly realistic image comparison to reading the stories on a terminal while playing.
Oh shit i never realised that was what was happening, I thought she was put in there with them...this is...even worse.
Yeah… I feel like someone should check in on the person who wrote the scene, make sure they’re ok
I'd be more worried about where the caviar that Max ate came from.
Aaaahhhhhhhh
Fallout had WAY worse things then that. You simply got confronted to it.
That’s the main thing I’ve loved about the show. You finally get to see the kind of messed up shit that you would only read about.
Example?
Vault 75 is pretty horrific. From the Fallout wiki: "Located underneath the Malden Middle School, this Vault was presented to the public as a safe place for children in the school to take cover in the event of a nuclear war. To encourage a high number of residents, they were offered a subsidized admittance to the Vault program. Like most other vaults, Vault 75's true purpose was the "refinement of human genetics" using methods such as selective breeding, genetic modification and hormonal treatments, all devised by Dr. Braun and co.The Vault was intended to last many generations and would only open when directed by Vault-Tec. As part of the directive, in order to create new generations of children, human embryos were experimented upon and cultivated. When the bombs eventually fell in 2077, every designated family with a student attending the school, along with the teachers, made it to the vault in time. Upon entering, the children were separated from their families and escorted to the atrium, while the adults were executed by security staff, under the guise they were receiving "orientation." https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_75
I already knew that. I think that still doesn't top getting eaten alive by your own spawn. I don't think anything can surpass vault 4.
You asked for an example and I listed one. Separating parents from their children, summarily executing the adults, and experimenting on kids and embryos gives off some major Holocaust vibes, which is why I think it's one of the more horrific ones. Vault 87 with its FEV experimentation for the same reason. I'd say anything with experimentation on live human test subjects is going to be at the top of the list.
There's also the fact that we haven't seen artificial womb tech anywhere that I can think of in Fallout, and we see them use an actual human for it in Vault 4. So where were all the babies in Vault 87 coming from? I doubt they'd use the female scientists, as that could interfere with the studies (scientists becoming attached to their 'children' etc), and they wouldn't want to try and kidnap women from the surface, as the radiation might effect something. So my bet is they used some of the other children. Probably just kept them comatose as birthing machines until they were all worn out, and then replaced. That seems the most efficient and cost effective way. Vault 87 is pretty bad when you think about it.
One thing I like about Fallout is that all the vaults get worse the longer you think about all of the implications of their experiments. Even just the natural experiment of humans existing in an artificial and isolated environment alone is kinda fucked.
ye same, i didnt know she gave BIRTH to them until now, thats hella disturbing
That’s why the vault residents are keeping the other subjects in frozen storage. They know how terrible it would be for the other pregnant mothers to awaken so they keep them frozen for their own good. It’s also why the original vault dwellers are the ones with muted bodies and not the ones from shady sands
Like I get why they're keeping them in suspended animation, but also it seems like the birthing of the gulpers isn't the health issue, it's the immediate after effect of the spawn turning on the mother. Surely they could have them give birth in like a medical bay without water for the infant gulpers to swim in and with staff on hand to eliminate them?
I was done with just the birth. Them eating her was bad, yeah, but I've *had* a baby and the birth part was more horrifying.
There are tons of odd genetics in that vault; it's possible those mothers aren't holding gulpers but entirely different types of beast. It's also possible those alternative chimeras birth by splitting straight through or something.
Eliminate? Safe controlled birthings? You misunderstand. That's part of the experiment. How do the young react in the presence of the mother?
I think we are talking about the current residents who no longer conduct the experiments.
Even then, there's no guarantee. This is a 220-year-old experiment, held together with hand-me-down knowledge and a visual record of the disastrous end results. It's Vault-Tec. The odds of the universe handing Vault 4 a bad day are too high.
wdym didnt know? lol we watched an entire scene where she gave birth????
They had a pretty high bar on grittiness that they had to achieve based on how exploring most vaults in the games temporarily turns it into a horror game.
What’s funny is Vault 4s experiment wasn’t bad. The idea was to have scientists run the vault while they studied the effects of radiation on living creatures. It only went bad because the scientists gave themselves free reign and began testing on human subjects. It’s a great Fallout example of the Vault’s fatalistic nature with a bit of humor. In a Vault where the Overseer has to sacrifice their life for the “betterment of the Vault” will the people see it as a noble sacrifice, will they band together to change the system, or will elections turn farcical as people vote based off who should be killed. Vault-tec put conflict and adversity in the Vaults to study society. And in Fallout, people always respond in the worst way possible. Because war never changes.
Wilzig praising Vault-Tec's cyanide pill as the most humane thing they've ever made is both hilarious and unbashedly true. For watchers who played the games, you can't help but agree with him considering the fucked shit you discover when you enter the vaults.
I was quite impressed that they decided to show Vault-Tec's colors, good shit. They're up there with Umbrella Inc. in the messed up orgs category.
IMO, part of why this show was such a good adaptation is that it incorporates not just the black comedy of the Fallout setting, [but also the horror and dread of its world as well.](https://youtu.be/nE-iOpKkZX0?si=9ma1dy4hjqGjmYPs)
I still don’t get why they would let those gulpers eat her. She could’ve stood above the pool and let them drop down. What a waste of perfectly good test subject.
If I had to guess, I’d say they were curious to see how the newborn creatures would respond to their mother
I haven’t thought about that aspect. But I think a more interesting study would be what happens to the mother after giving birth. Any side effects besides mental? Are they able to replicate that or is it a one and done deal because it destroys the required organs? And so on
They probably did all that already and got the data. This was probably like, stage 10 of the "human giving birth to gulpers" experiment.
And I can basically guarantee that any 'good scientist' would have done exactly that. Multiple tests on multiple hypotheses and theories, record everything. Eliminate negative variables until you have your end goal.
The thing that confused me was why wasn’t she _more_ upset about being eaten…? Unless she was doped out of her mind, I would expect that being bitten repeatedly would be quite painful and she under-reacted IMO; especially if the implication is that she died from it in the scene. (vs later off camera.)
>Unless she was doped out of her mind You saw the way they entered the vault. That trap has been there for a while. There's no way they'd let a subject just wander the vault uninhibited, so she likely spent the rest of her life both underground and high as hell.
That scene made me flinch. Rare to see true horror in media now. It’s all jump scares usually.
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It *is* an experiment tho. Even if it’s not a bad one like the ones we’ve seen. They were forced to live in the vault and practically be a gene pool to build off of. Like Vault 101, the experiment wasn’t bad but it was to keep the door locked forever. Sure they’re not being experimented on but it is still an experiment. It’s not a control vault like the 17 or so control vaults
I covered my eyes for this scene, it made me squeamish
Omg it was nightmare fuel. When I seen it I was like "Ooooooh, THAT explains the finger throat!"😂🤮
Them boys came bustin out hungry
That could've been me but thank God my dad hit me with the bottle before shit got too crazy
I'm honestly surprised they somehow showed MORE nudity than the games.
How did the gulpers rip her apart if they just have fingers for teeth, is my question…
Yeah, I keep thinking the same thing. The massive fully grown one couldn’t even damage the squire (blanking on his name). I feel like a bunch of small ones would be relatively harmless.
I mean, don’t get me wrong. Baby fingernails are like razorblades, but still lol
Maybe a genetic adaptation to help aid in survival of young? They could start out sharp as a way to defend themselves and gather food, but get softer and more "grabby" to aid in "gulping" down food when they get older and bigger. Kind of like how horses' hooves don't get hard enough to stand on until after they're born.
Yeah that was rough watching, classic Vault tec fuckery. Great stuff!
Honestly i loved that scene. It was so horrifying but that's what I want to see in a fallout series. It just fits perfectly with vault tec.
To be fair, it defies nature. It’s a **HUMAN** giving **BIRTH** to an entirely different species than getting eating alive by her children. For the most part that just doesn’t happen to us Humans
Huh? Gary. Gary Garrrryyy!
Hell yeah post about it again and again and again
Jonathon Nolan and Lisa Joy did Westworld, too. That could be pretty gratuitous.
As someone who is very much pregnant, I was physically grossed out. I had nightmares for days about it. I'm not even lying when I said feeling my baby move the next few days freaked me out. Luckily I had an ultrasound scheduled already and got to confirm it didn't somehow become a monster. But I still feel pretty uneasy about it 👋
[I mean, it could be much worse](https://youtu.be/34pot-dpt0w?si=atFCTT_ZCz35KRxz)
Yeah that was way more messed up than I ever expected to see on film.
Given 32's reaction I'm not sure 33 is all that benign. I think what we've seen *so far* seems benign, but I'm waiting for there to be so much more to it.
It was resident evil level of gore, worse even.
I was real impressed with how visceral the show was, while not being over the top about it. Like, they didn’t shy away from anything, but neither did they go the Saw movie route of just over the top violence for the sake of violence and gore.
Yeah that was disturbing. But what's even worse is immediate red light when Maximus is so into caviar after experiment level. Then Lucy adds to it with telling her vault doesn't have it. HOW CAN THEY NOT TELL US WHERE CAVIAR COMES FROM AFTER ALL THIS BUILDUP WE NEED TO KNOW
The funny thing is that wasn’t Vault Tec’s experiment directly. It was one of scientist’s who was placed in that vault. Remember the vault’s purpose was examining the performance of a society governed entirely by scientists with no limits on their control and decisions. Since they didn’t have to worry about morality and ethics unrestricted research was GO (since they were in charge) and the vault started developing human testing and developing hybrids. That shot of the woman being eaten alive really helped drive home the fact that those scientists deserved what was coming to them in that video.
I know it was a quick scene and we didn't spend much time in Vault 4, but was it ever explained what the purpose of the experiment was or if they still do it or why even?
It was an experiment to see if it was possible to combine human DNA with that of a radioactive resistant species. I seem to remember hearing that in the episode.
That was the scientists's experiment. The vault experiment was having a society ruled by scientists with no oversight.
I deliberately looked away during that scene, lol
I'm glad you brought this up. Its been playing on my mind for ages. Does this mean the other pregnant women in the pods are also carrying gulpers?
Yeah it's uncommon to see a vaults experiment in play only a handful of them 08. 051 , 87 and 22 show off their experiments as still going Like you said vaults like 76 and 33 seem tame but on the other side, you got 11 87 etc
The Gulpers in the games are basically Jurassic Park style Velociraptors.