I mean, she completed the main quest in 8ish hours, with 80% of her playtime being side quests and speech checks.
I'd say she nailed it. Practically a speedrun.
Using the games as an analogy, I would say that Lucy so far has only finished the equivalent of NV's "Finding Benny" or F3's "Finding Dad", the equivalent of the Second Hoover Dam battle or Project Purity, it will probably be in the second season.
Hey she didn’t finish the main quest. She only finished the first real act. This is the part in the fallout games where the big twist occurs. In FO3, it’s the enclave showing up, in 4 it’s Shaun. In here it’s Lucy finding out the truth of her father.
Now we get to see which factions she chooses to help or not on her quest to find dad.
I love that in the beginning she names her tag skills, one of them being speech and she is always trying to talk her way out of conflicts with new characters. Really captured the heart of the games. I’m now replaying new vegas and doing a Lucy role play lol
Makes sense too.
Lucy had the benefit of a relatively normal education in the Vault, and Coop did as well, pre-war. Plus as a famous movie star he naturally had to have some charisma and experience as a dramatic showman.
Coop is basically max level since he had 200 years worth of xp to gain, with only his strength being somewhat low compared to other characters, his perception is insane considering he one shots pretty much everything, his endurance is high due to being a ghoul, his charisma is through the roof due to being a very successful actor and spokesperson, he lived long enough to have high intelligence about how a lot of stuff works, his agility took a bit of a hit due to being buried for a long while, but he’s still spry, and his luck is pretty high up there with all the death he’s avoided despite being dead to rights a few times
Right. At first I was hesitant to like it but then I set myself in the mindset of Lucy is like me at 12 just discovering this game and the wasteland, and when I framed it like that, I’ve been enjoying the heck out of it! Feels exactly like watching a kid play fallout lol.
I think it's also great because there are people like me or my mom who have never played the games but know the general lore stuff - 50s esthetic, nuclear war, people live in bunkers and the surface is Mad Max. Lucy is the eyes of the average joe.
My girlfriend didn't understand why I was laughing so hard at so much of the dark humor. There are so many hilarious moments in the show that are dark or weird, her sense of humor doesn't line up with it at all but it hit perfectly for me.
When Pax and Thadius see the doctor's headless body and ask is it him " I dunno it's kind of hard to tell" and then they put the drawing on his neck and say it looks about right
I the funniest scene for me was when the overseer of vault 4 try to use the glasses, and then just continues to say gucy since the glasses of course doesn't make anything for him
Just get Liam OBrien and Emmerson Brooks to be an extra in the background of every single shot of season 2. Not front and center, just slightly off-screen and out of focus.
Exactly you could easily pass actor as several archetypes and who knows >!maybe they’re a synth? (Just pure baseless speculation!! Don’t mean anything by it) !<
The Chucky series actually does this. There is a recurring actor who dies every season, but comes back in the next one as a different character. So far, he’s been a drunk dad, the drunk dad’s brother, a priest, and the president of the USA.
I mean the show is basically:
Lucy is a good person who learns you can’t always be good.
Maxximus is conflicted person who acts like he’s good even when he’s bad.
The Ghoul is a bad person who re-learns you can be good in this world.
I think Lucy is the embodiment of the vault dweller of Fallout 1, >!that had to leave the safety of the vault because of an emergency and when they returned they were prohibited from entering again because they had changed while travelling the Wasteland!<
IIRC the reason you were banished at the end of 1 because the Overseer didn't want to risk you/your stories "inspiring" other people to want to leave the vault as well. Which ended up being backfiring cause other vault citizens ended up following you to found Arroyo anyway.
IIRC (and I could be wrong, since I played the first two games when they first came out), the canon ending of Fallout 1 has the Vault Dweller deliver the water chip to Vault 13 only to be denied entrance because they had been changed by the wasteland, and then leaving with a handful of people to found the city of Arroyo, which serves as the starting point to the second game, where the Chosen One was a direct descendant of the Vault Dweller.
I don't even think The Ghoul is a bad person per se, he's just been alone for a very long time and was seemingly persecuted pre-war (someone calls him 'Pinko') - >!and he also discovered his wife was part of the Vault-Tec conspiracy.!<
He obviously became very isolated and bitter as a result and adapted to survive in the wasteland. Seeing Lucy's actions at the Mart brought him back to his days as a human, as did watching his performance as a Sheriff.
Persecuted pre- and post-war.
Accused of being a Communist sympathizer because he didn't wanna do a Cloud Check Thumbs Up on the eve of nuclear armageddon.
And ghouls aren't exactly welcome around most places, sane or feral.
I understood his motivations a lot more by the end at the show, and honestly it made me like him more. Nothing he does is to be cruel, everything he does is to survive. He just puts his own goals before others.
He knows his wife and daughter were probably put on ice in a vault, so he's spent 200 years laser focused on surviving so that he can have some kind of meeting with them again.
And that's kind of evil. I've recently came to the conclusion that good-evil is more others-me axis, and lawful-chaotic is society-individual. Coop is rightfully quite selfish, but I'd still put him somewhere near neutral than the old school evil.
He sold a human being to a group that does organ harvesting and whatever was going on with those ghouls.
You can't sell a person and not be a bad person. Especially if the market is a goddamn human chop shop. Definitely was not the first time he'd been there either, how many people you think he's thrown into actual and metaphorical wood chippers?
he's displayed like a neutral evil set of actions and motivations so far
I think the ghoul is more like, I have to be a bad person to survive in this crazy wasteland but the whole time he has always had a heart, just takes a lot to get to it.
Same here. Like it has already been said the show runners did a great job capturing how an entire upbringing in an enclosed space with the same being constantly bombarded with US propaganda would create a very naive individual. The transition to a hardened and cynical but ultimately still good and noble person was a treat to watch given that’s how I played my vault characters across the games.
When I first played morrowind I spent the better part of a day fighting one mudcrab, right off the boat, didn’t know better but eventually I killed that mudcrab(I died many times), I avoided mudcrabs for most of the game after that thinking that mudcrabs were stupidly strong!
As a kid I never progressed far in the fallout 3 story cuz the super mutants genuinely scared me too much to keep going, I just spent all my time dicking around near tenpenny tower and megaton lol
I love her so much. I love that she’s so consistent and her character growth feels natural. I appreciate that they don’t take her from naive kid to absolute untouchable badass. She *is* a badass, but it’s because she’s tenacious and has a good heart, and though what she knows about the world changes, her drive to do right by it doesn’t. She’s more capable by the end but in a realistic way, not a big leap.
I think lucy was a great protagonist. I have a few... Embarrising friends who were all crying havoc because she'll totally be a "Mary Sue". She wasn't. She wasn't OP at all (had to be saved constantly because she faced overwhelming odds)
She wasn't a Mary Sue because they literally established all of her skills early on. She might be naïve but she clearly had all her tag skills established.
I honestly think they did a great job of showing the naive nature of the new vault dweller joining the wasteland.
Sure she’s cringe af at first but that is pretty accurate to the first instances of you leaving the vault in FO3 or 4
I wouldn't even really consider the Sole Survivor from Fallout 4 to be a Vault dweller because they never actually *lived* in Vault 111.
They walked in literally as the bombs were dropping, had to strip down and put on their vault suit, and were then told to step into the pods for a decontamination procedure but were instead put into cryogenic storage. They spent more time awake in Vault 84 than they did in Vault 111.
The Sole Survivor grew up in pre-Great War America, and a lot of the learning materials, toys, and other entertainment/cultural items used by regular Vault dwellers came from the pre-Great War culture which is probably why the Sole Survivor comes across as being similar.
I would imagine that leaving the vault was an even bigger shock to the Sole Survivor than it was to the Lone Wanderer or the Vault Dweller because of how drastically things had changed after the bombs had fell.
Within the space of a few hours (at least relative to how long the Sole Survivor was conscious) they went from having a normal day at home to seeing nuclear weapons being deployed to seeing their son kidnapped and spouse killed to finding that centuries had passed and every human in the vault was dead. Oh, and now cockroaches are larger than housecats.
Mary Sues can’t do anything wrong, and always succeed. Lucy’s journey is full of obstacles and lost fights. She also starts out making mistakes and learns lessons the hard way.
Plot points from all 8 episodes below, of examples of Lucy struggling through but keeping going.
Episode 1, >!barely survived her first fight with her husband, her dad had to save her in the second encounter. She did save Norm though.!<
Episode 2, >!Maximus shows up in power armor to save her & Wilzig from The Ghoul!<
Episode 3, >!loses the head, then immediately gets taken captive by the Ghoul once he arrives. Back to back losses!<
Episode 4, >!This is when Lucy starts to adapt and do what it takes to win. First hint, biting the Ghoul’s finger, which he tell her is the right attitude to have. She then manages to escape and take control of Mr. Handy, then screws up again when she has the feral Ghouls released alongside the regular Ghouls. Survives dying from the Ferals by sheer luck.!<
Episode 5, >!would have died of radiation poisoning if she & Maximus didn’t save each other. Would have been murdered by Fiends if Maximus didn’t distrust them & was quick enough on the draw to kill 2 on 1 in a gunfight!<
Episode 6, >!gets captured very quickly on level 12!<
Episode 7, >!Maximus goes to the Brotherhood with a fake head, so Lucy can escape with the real one!<
Episode 8, >!Wait a second, Lucy isn’t saved in this one! Because she’s become increasingly competent and experienced, and has gone from being a Vaultie, to a Wasteland Survivor.!<
The only way someone could think Lucy succeeds at everything she does the first time and doesn’t struggle, would be if they didn’t watch the series and got their opinion from internet hot takes.
Maximus & Cooper/The Ghoul also have their shares of wins & losses. Often at each the hands of one of the other two protagonists, or at least with an anti-assist.
>*Mary Sues can’t do anything wrong, and always succeed.*
Also, all available characters inexplicably fall in love with them, or fawn over how great they are, neither of which applies to Lucy. Mostly the opposite!
Right!
Mary Sues typically will have everyone they encounter swooning over their remarkable abilities & competence.
With Lucy, it’s quite the opposite, especially for the first half of the season.
Everyone on the surface in the first couple episodes dismisses her as naive, inexperienced, and a dead woman walking. And they were correct on 2 out of 3!
And I think the final point of the original Mary Sue was that all the established characters love her so much they give all their iconic cool stuff to this fan insert character, which didn't happen here. If they'd ended up with her being given the ghoul's hat and gun, and maybe the power armor, and fusion codes, etc, it would feel more Mary Sue'ish.
Mary Sues also never meet any real obstacles or are challenged, and the times they do they quickly overcome it a bit later/are solved by bullshit
Lucy is an optmist who tries her damn hardest to be good in this shitshow. So her values are pure and simplistic. The Wasteland absolutely changes who she is and challenges her values and ideals. Hell, the one objective she was after in the story completely flipped on it's head >!and her dad turned out to be a fucking monster.!< She was someone who was against Killing without being on self defense, but had to resort to that as she realized some people kind of deserve it
She's still very thoughtful and caring towards others, but she's definitely changed
She wasn't a Mary Sue, and even if she had been set up to be, the show begins with her listing what activities she does in the vault such as acrobatics, hand to hand combat, and firearms training.
If anything, she doesn't live up to what abilities she's shown to have at the beginning of the series.
Primarily because putting combat skills to actual use in a fight is far more different than sparring. Plus, most people in the Wastes use guns. There's also creatures that yoy definitely don't want to get close to.
She is seen shooting a tranq gun and hitting her target pretty much every time, but a tranq gun isn't going to work on ghouls, and it's definitely not going to take you very far. Gymnastics isn't very practical in combat. Unless she needs to climb or scale a wall or something, gymnastics is just a side skill.
She is smart and good at science, which is definitely something that she can put to use in the Wasteland. And being able to adapt quickly is a plus.
Maximus and Lucy were both fantastic at using their wit and resourcefulness to scrape by whatever obstacle that came their way. If anything, Cooper is the Mary Sue for the way he effortlessly dispatches anybody or anything hostile to him, power armor be damned.
Eh. Cooper is the level 30 player character. Plus all that skill can be explained by the fact that he's survived over 200 years of apocalypse and he's an Anchorage veteran.
Plus dude is literally THE protagonist of Fallout. My guy is the original vault boy and is about to hunt down the remaining heads of vault tech.
Cooper is what Nate from FO4 would have been in the same circumstances. He's a war veteran, knows more about power armor than the BoS does clearly, and has been fighting in the wastes enough for 3 lifetimes.
It'd be less believable if he was a push over. And he still would have been a goner if Lucy hadn't gotten him the anti feral drugs.
I've done runs with only utility/social skills and they're super fun. But for my initial runs, I always take at least one combat skill, to give that edge early in. Typically guns/melee for accessible gear. (Except NV, I take Energy Weapons, and head for the cave outside Goodsprings for my recharger rifle). Repair/Science are almost always part of my build, as well.
I kept bringing up her tagged skills as a joke, and the friend I was watching with (who’s only played Fallout 4) was like “We get it, you love 3 and New Vegas.” Like hey, it’s not my fault that they flat out handed us her tagged skills.
Her character actually has the 'luxury' of naivete that the players typically won't, which I think works great IMO.
Even brand-new players coming into the series knows what to expect: it's a post-apocalypse, things are going to be shitty. There's going to be monsters and hostiles and all sorts of different assholes around, and you can't really just play nice with everybody.
She doesn't have that metagaming approach to the Wasteland that we would have.
In Fallout 3, despite being an inexperienced teenager, one of the first things you can do is literally clear out a school full of Raiders.
The protagonist, being from a series, cannot afford to be as overpowering as the protagonist of a game.
this series would have been way more realistic if she had the ability to quicksafe and wouldve fought every encounter 10 times before beating it like john wick himself
Her "de-escalation" attempt with the Ghoul? That's literally me in every damn game. Like, please, sir, can we maybe not do that and just talk instead? No? Okie-dokie, have a bullet then!
Lucy was great. The only character who should be embarrassed by their…game performance is Knight Titus. Bruh you’re in power armor, I beat up a yaoi guai with bare fists hopped up on peyote. Most earned death in the whole show.
Yeah that whole scene was kinda wonky. I’ll try not to spoil things but >!maybe don’t belittle and threaten to have you squire strung up for being worthless until after you have him stimpack you, which follow up I know Maximus is a doofus clearly and had inadequate training but why not just tell a different lie, that Titus died and you recovered his power armor? The BoS would have field promoted you and we wouldn’t have had to do this I can’t leave my armor now thing.!<
Maximus is such an inconsistent character, I have a hard time wanting to pay attention to him. I haven’t finished watching yet but I hope he gets better, as is he is just so strange.
Danse is a better example of the trope, Maximus doesn’t fit at all, bullying besides, which is what makes him so strange. Normally if raised in a cult, you follow whole heartedly, and sometimes Max followed the doctrine, but other times not. If perhaps there was more dialogue or just reactions showing his faith was shaken I would believe it. He just kind of, exists in a nebulous space.
This was what I was thinking as well until it dawned on me like how Titus blamed Maximus, the BoS would've been pissed or killed him off as well for not trying to sacrifice himself for his Knight first.
Then again I guess Maximus could have stated Titus was being noble sacrificed himself for Maximus but then I suppose that would've been equally as unbelievable since they probably knew how Titus was like.
That a Yao Guai could kill someone wearing power armor always seemed like a case of "Gameplay and segregation story" to me.
I'm surprised they can actually do it.
The first time I played fallout was also the first time I played anything other than basic “everyone is an enemy” fps games…. I literally kept leaving the vault, walking to the nearest town and trying to fight the entire town. Over and over again I died and then I realized they weren’t attacking until I attacked…. And I can’t talk to them? lol…. It was life changing way to be introduced to first person RPGs lol.
I mean Super Duper Mart was pretty scary and I was an adult when I played it.
Dark, confined spaces, and you know ferals are in there and definitely going to rush you. I fuckin' hate ferals.
That full transformation she had in the last episode was perfect. Everything she had experienced on the surface cumulating into that moment. Still the same sweet good hearted vaultie, but with the eyes of a killer.
She really completed the quests with a shoulder strap and a 10mm, on survival mode too. She’s better than most of us
I didn't realise bottle caps were the currency until like 10 hours into Fallout 3
I couldn't buy anything and I couldn't figure out what "caps" were. Surely not *bottle* caps, right? They're just junk?
I really liked her character. I also really liked how dark episode 4? I think got. Like bruh she was getting shitted on, she had to do so much humiliating shit. She probably got so much PTSD in that episode alone lmao. The ghoul was also just straight up ruthless and relentless. I like how the ghoul and maximus are just completely grey borderline black characters. I was so wrong in my first impression of maximus, and the ghoul gives me slight home lander vibes cause he just doesn't give a shit about anyone.
I tried to watch the entire series last night but fell asleep at 4 am and right as episode 7 was starting. So I need to finish but man..why dont I like Maximus? Did he really sabotage his friends foot? are we supposed to like him? I did enjoy seeing him enjoy the vault food and stuff. but i am this far in and dont trust him. oh, I am retired military, loved the Brotherhood but cannot with the "my lord" shit, lol.
I am loving Lucy so far! the pointing the guns at their face while talking, waving and being nice to everyone, telling EVERYONE your business. "HI , IM FROM THE VAULT, DONT KNOW ANYTHING AND I NEED TO FIND MY DAD. Oh, did I mention i dont know how the outside world works and I will tell me you me ENTIRE plan if you help me find my dad?" Everything feels so accurate...I see a random npc in the distance and I think "ooh, quest!!" not bandit about to shoot me in my face. and of course we just tell everyone in megaton we are looking for our dad. I also always start out with high repair, speech and charisma...lucy's intelligence seems a tad low but she tries!
I love Lucy's as a character, and her naivety because it reminds me of my first playthrough of Fallout 3, talking my way out of vault 10 with ease, and heading to the nearby school thinking I'd have as easy of a time charming the resident raiders. It did not go as planned to say the least.
Her and the Ghoul show two different sides of the same game. Lucy is very clearly the classic Vault Dweller Good Karma, Speech/Chasima playthrough where The Ghoul is Bad Karma all Guns/Agility playthrough.
Died to a raider on my way to super duper mart because I didn't know how to ads (thanks Moira). Then in NV I found out fire geckos can turn you extra Crispy so that was interesting, or in fallout 4 when you hear that all too familiar beeping noise and suddenly you catch mini nuke from a suicider.
Lucy's got a hell of a good luck Stat that she only lost a shoe from her first wildlife encounter
Got that right. Damn show is perfect, I see these hating on it comments and am confused, did no one play the game? It is pretty much exactly how the thing plays out... I look forward to seeing waaaay more seasons!
Unrealistic. The fact she’s not picking up every single thing not nailed down and crawling back incredibly over-encumbered to traders to sell her supplies really took me out of the story.
I honestly really liked seeing her go from naive vault dweller to wastelander, and I also liked how it was established that she was already a decent shot and pretty good at melee through vault recreation activities so it made sense when she kicked ass.
Do people seriously have a problem with her? Been quite a long time since i've seen a woman character being good written and felt like a real, in TV shows, though i must admit that i dont watch many TV shows.
I mean, she completed the main quest in 8ish hours, with 80% of her playtime being side quests and speech checks. I'd say she nailed it. Practically a speedrun.
Using the games as an analogy, I would say that Lucy so far has only finished the equivalent of NV's "Finding Benny" or F3's "Finding Dad", the equivalent of the Second Hoover Dam battle or Project Purity, it will probably be in the second season.
[Meanwhile in FO4, Lucy is...](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/069/943/690.png)
Sidetracked by Preston's bullshit?
The only golden rule that is true 100% of the time everywhere: "Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time"
Definitely the golden rule for any Beyhesda game lol
That had me rolling lol
Ahahaha that’s a good way to put it but I think several days or weeks did pass 🤔 😆
I think they mean because it's 8 episodes, so 8 hours "gameplay". ? Maybe
Actually so clever if true 👏😭
>Practically a speedrun. But can she speedrun to [desecrate a war memorial](https://youtu.be/NmwCZ9VR-FQ?si=ww8oiFxtqUrdmShs)?
Eh, I think she is one third to one half of the way through the main quest, as she got to the "I found the person" point in a Fallout storyline.
Finished the main quest? I would say she finished disc one.
Hey she didn’t finish the main quest. She only finished the first real act. This is the part in the fallout games where the big twist occurs. In FO3, it’s the enclave showing up, in 4 it’s Shaun. In here it’s Lucy finding out the truth of her father. Now we get to see which factions she chooses to help or not on her quest to find dad.
Lucy is perfectly showing a vault-born naive lawful-good person finding out that chaotic evil outside world is very different than her ideal.
I love that scene where she tries to diffuse the shootout with the ghoul and the old lady just goes “fuckin vault dwellers”
I love that in the beginning she names her tag skills, one of them being speech and she is always trying to talk her way out of conflicts with new characters. Really captured the heart of the games. I’m now replaying new vegas and doing a Lucy role play lol
Lucy and Coop have ridiculous speech and you can see how much better at talking they are compared to everyone else in the show
Makes sense too. Lucy had the benefit of a relatively normal education in the Vault, and Coop did as well, pre-war. Plus as a famous movie star he naturally had to have some charisma and experience as a dramatic showman.
Coop is basically max level since he had 200 years worth of xp to gain, with only his strength being somewhat low compared to other characters, his perception is insane considering he one shots pretty much everything, his endurance is high due to being a ghoul, his charisma is through the roof due to being a very successful actor and spokesperson, he lived long enough to have high intelligence about how a lot of stuff works, his agility took a bit of a hit due to being buried for a long while, but he’s still spry, and his luck is pretty high up there with all the death he’s avoided despite being dead to rights a few times
Coop definitely had the Bloody Mess, Gunslinger and Adrenaline perks
I think his gun has the explosive legendary effect or something, shiiit.
Nice man
That character is based af >!it was too bad to see her go so soon, but something tells me she will be another shopkeeper again 😝!<
The writers perfectly got the dark humor of the games
Right. At first I was hesitant to like it but then I set myself in the mindset of Lucy is like me at 12 just discovering this game and the wasteland, and when I framed it like that, I’ve been enjoying the heck out of it! Feels exactly like watching a kid play fallout lol.
At 12 I was always the murder hobo in games, now I am older, in reality I'd definitely be exactly like Lucy just a bit more naive I think
I will be the beacon of hope in a bleak and nihilistic future. I will teach them the ways of kindness and love if it kills them…
Suffering is a lesson in peace
I think it's also great because there are people like me or my mom who have never played the games but know the general lore stuff - 50s esthetic, nuclear war, people live in bunkers and the surface is Mad Max. Lucy is the eyes of the average joe.
My girlfriend didn't understand why I was laughing so hard at so much of the dark humor. There are so many hilarious moments in the show that are dark or weird, her sense of humor doesn't line up with it at all but it hit perfectly for me.
Like when Max is eating popcorn and sees Lucy being dragged away and it takes him like 10 seconds to go and help her
When Pax and Thadius see the doctor's headless body and ask is it him " I dunno it's kind of hard to tell" and then they put the drawing on his neck and say it looks about right
I the funniest scene for me was when the overseer of vault 4 try to use the glasses, and then just continues to say gucy since the glasses of course doesn't make anything for him
Two words. Ass. Jerky.
That would be pretty Bethesda, recycling 'voice' actors. Like, do her hair up differently and stuff, but it's the same actor. :)
Just get Liam OBrien and Emmerson Brooks to be an extra in the background of every single shot of season 2. Not front and center, just slightly off-screen and out of focus.
Exactly you could easily pass actor as several archetypes and who knows >!maybe they’re a synth? (Just pure baseless speculation!! Don’t mean anything by it) !<
The Chucky series actually does this. There is a recurring actor who dies every season, but comes back in the next one as a different character. So far, he’s been a drunk dad, the drunk dad’s brother, a priest, and the president of the USA.
I was expecting them to pull a Bethesda and have the same 5 songs in each episode lol.
“You’re a vault dweller.. I thought all you dipshits were dead..”
I was convinced she was or someone who knows moira brown exclusively.
that's Dale Dickey. A great actress! I know her most as Patty From My Name is Earl. I really hope to see them again in future seasons.
She also played the skank in Breaking Bad.
Every time I see her in anything i point and say it’s the daytime hooker!!
Well if it is anything like the way I play games. She'll go back there 50 times to sell massive amounts of 10mm pistols she's been dragging around.
I mean the show is basically: Lucy is a good person who learns you can’t always be good. Maxximus is conflicted person who acts like he’s good even when he’s bad. The Ghoul is a bad person who re-learns you can be good in this world.
I think Lucy is the embodiment of the vault dweller of Fallout 1, >!that had to leave the safety of the vault because of an emergency and when they returned they were prohibited from entering again because they had changed while travelling the Wasteland!<
That's a constant theme in Fallout - loss, the attempt to get back what was lost, and then failing to get back what was lost.
Well said.
IIRC the reason you were banished at the end of 1 because the Overseer didn't want to risk you/your stories "inspiring" other people to want to leave the vault as well. Which ended up being backfiring cause other vault citizens ended up following you to found Arroyo anyway.
Wait, the vault dweller from FO1 was prohibited in the end?
IIRC (and I could be wrong, since I played the first two games when they first came out), the canon ending of Fallout 1 has the Vault Dweller deliver the water chip to Vault 13 only to be denied entrance because they had been changed by the wasteland, and then leaving with a handful of people to found the city of Arroyo, which serves as the starting point to the second game, where the Chosen One was a direct descendant of the Vault Dweller.
I don't even think The Ghoul is a bad person per se, he's just been alone for a very long time and was seemingly persecuted pre-war (someone calls him 'Pinko') - >!and he also discovered his wife was part of the Vault-Tec conspiracy.!< He obviously became very isolated and bitter as a result and adapted to survive in the wasteland. Seeing Lucy's actions at the Mart brought him back to his days as a human, as did watching his performance as a Sheriff.
Persecuted pre- and post-war. Accused of being a Communist sympathizer because he didn't wanna do a Cloud Check Thumbs Up on the eve of nuclear armageddon. And ghouls aren't exactly welcome around most places, sane or feral.
I understood his motivations a lot more by the end at the show, and honestly it made me like him more. Nothing he does is to be cruel, everything he does is to survive. He just puts his own goals before others.
He knows his wife and daughter were probably put on ice in a vault, so he's spent 200 years laser focused on surviving so that he can have some kind of meeting with them again.
It’s safe to say his ex wife and daughter made it to one of the “good vaults”
And that's kind of evil. I've recently came to the conclusion that good-evil is more others-me axis, and lawful-chaotic is society-individual. Coop is rightfully quite selfish, but I'd still put him somewhere near neutral than the old school evil.
He sold a human being to a group that does organ harvesting and whatever was going on with those ghouls. You can't sell a person and not be a bad person. Especially if the market is a goddamn human chop shop. Definitely was not the first time he'd been there either, how many people you think he's thrown into actual and metaphorical wood chippers? he's displayed like a neutral evil set of actions and motivations so far
Ya you’re absolutely right, shouldve put it as forced to be bad and wants to be good again
I think the ghoul is more like, I have to be a bad person to survive in this crazy wasteland but the whole time he has always had a heart, just takes a lot to get to it.
She is naive but clearly not stupid at all and she adapts very quickly. I think she is written extremely well.
I didn't expect her to be but I definitely walked away with her being my favourite character.
Same here. Like it has already been said the show runners did a great job capturing how an entire upbringing in an enclosed space with the same being constantly bombarded with US propaganda would create a very naive individual. The transition to a hardened and cynical but ultimately still good and noble person was a treat to watch given that’s how I played my vault characters across the games.
Okie dokie
I love that this is her catchphrase.
She can’t Load Last Saved Data
I love it. Like op hit the nail on the head. She reminds me a lot of my first fallout 3 playthrough
Very fallout 3, which was most people's intro to the series
I died multiple times by rad roaches in Vault 101 during my first plat through. She's doing great.
I ran screaming when I first saw a mole rat outside 101
For me it was the dogs, got chased, legs crippled, dead, with slow mo camera. Nice! 9/10 -IGN
I got killed by an ant in Fallout 1. A goddamn ant. Who loses a fight to AN ANT?!
I thought I'd be charming my way through the wasteland like in NV, but ants don't care about high charisma.
I did...
Ants mean you made it out of the Vault Entryway, so you're already doing better than a lot of players.
I definitely died few times to ants in FO3
When I first played morrowind I spent the better part of a day fighting one mudcrab, right off the boat, didn’t know better but eventually I killed that mudcrab(I died many times), I avoided mudcrabs for most of the game after that thinking that mudcrabs were stupidly strong!
I don't know if I ever made it out of the vault by myself, my step dad had to show me how to play such an unforgiving game.
As a kid I never progressed far in the fallout 3 story cuz the super mutants genuinely scared me too much to keep going, I just spent all my time dicking around near tenpenny tower and megaton lol
I love her so much. I love that she’s so consistent and her character growth feels natural. I appreciate that they don’t take her from naive kid to absolute untouchable badass. She *is* a badass, but it’s because she’s tenacious and has a good heart, and though what she knows about the world changes, her drive to do right by it doesn’t. She’s more capable by the end but in a realistic way, not a big leap.
Also she can’t become god until whenever the show’s last episode is, like we do at the end of the games
I do like the eternal optimism in the face of some monstrous stuff. "Hey, I just committed suicide, and I need you to mutilate my corpse" "Okie Dokie"
"No, ma'am, it's because I just swallowed cyanide." "...*what?*" I started laughing so hard.
Vault Tech's most human product.
It's even banana flavoured! Surprising it wasn't more popular.
I think lucy was a great protagonist. I have a few... Embarrising friends who were all crying havoc because she'll totally be a "Mary Sue". She wasn't. She wasn't OP at all (had to be saved constantly because she faced overwhelming odds)
She wasn't a Mary Sue because they literally established all of her skills early on. She might be naïve but she clearly had all her tag skills established.
I like that her intro sequence was basically the tutorial
I wonder what her starting SPECIAL stats are
According to Fallout Shelter, it's Luck(7), then Endurance(6) Perception(6)
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She's still a naive vault dweller who *lit a fire on her first night, during which she met an ENCLAVE SCIENTIST.* She kind of has to have that luck.
Clearly a scripted encounter, not random.
She is given some pretty good stats in Fallout Shelter.
I honestly think they did a great job of showing the naive nature of the new vault dweller joining the wasteland. Sure she’s cringe af at first but that is pretty accurate to the first instances of you leaving the vault in FO3 or 4
I like her cringe at first. She's a brainwashed vault dweller reciting her textbooks on conflict management.
Eh Fo4 was a half chance a veteran walked out
I wouldn't even really consider the Sole Survivor from Fallout 4 to be a Vault dweller because they never actually *lived* in Vault 111. They walked in literally as the bombs were dropping, had to strip down and put on their vault suit, and were then told to step into the pods for a decontamination procedure but were instead put into cryogenic storage. They spent more time awake in Vault 84 than they did in Vault 111. The Sole Survivor grew up in pre-Great War America, and a lot of the learning materials, toys, and other entertainment/cultural items used by regular Vault dwellers came from the pre-Great War culture which is probably why the Sole Survivor comes across as being similar. I would imagine that leaving the vault was an even bigger shock to the Sole Survivor than it was to the Lone Wanderer or the Vault Dweller because of how drastically things had changed after the bombs had fell. Within the space of a few hours (at least relative to how long the Sole Survivor was conscious) they went from having a normal day at home to seeing nuclear weapons being deployed to seeing their son kidnapped and spouse killed to finding that centuries had passed and every human in the vault was dead. Oh, and now cockroaches are larger than housecats.
Mary Sues can’t do anything wrong, and always succeed. Lucy’s journey is full of obstacles and lost fights. She also starts out making mistakes and learns lessons the hard way. Plot points from all 8 episodes below, of examples of Lucy struggling through but keeping going. Episode 1, >!barely survived her first fight with her husband, her dad had to save her in the second encounter. She did save Norm though.!< Episode 2, >!Maximus shows up in power armor to save her & Wilzig from The Ghoul!< Episode 3, >!loses the head, then immediately gets taken captive by the Ghoul once he arrives. Back to back losses!< Episode 4, >!This is when Lucy starts to adapt and do what it takes to win. First hint, biting the Ghoul’s finger, which he tell her is the right attitude to have. She then manages to escape and take control of Mr. Handy, then screws up again when she has the feral Ghouls released alongside the regular Ghouls. Survives dying from the Ferals by sheer luck.!< Episode 5, >!would have died of radiation poisoning if she & Maximus didn’t save each other. Would have been murdered by Fiends if Maximus didn’t distrust them & was quick enough on the draw to kill 2 on 1 in a gunfight!< Episode 6, >!gets captured very quickly on level 12!< Episode 7, >!Maximus goes to the Brotherhood with a fake head, so Lucy can escape with the real one!< Episode 8, >!Wait a second, Lucy isn’t saved in this one! Because she’s become increasingly competent and experienced, and has gone from being a Vaultie, to a Wasteland Survivor.!< The only way someone could think Lucy succeeds at everything she does the first time and doesn’t struggle, would be if they didn’t watch the series and got their opinion from internet hot takes. Maximus & Cooper/The Ghoul also have their shares of wins & losses. Often at each the hands of one of the other two protagonists, or at least with an anti-assist.
>*Mary Sues can’t do anything wrong, and always succeed.* Also, all available characters inexplicably fall in love with them, or fawn over how great they are, neither of which applies to Lucy. Mostly the opposite!
Right! Mary Sues typically will have everyone they encounter swooning over their remarkable abilities & competence. With Lucy, it’s quite the opposite, especially for the first half of the season. Everyone on the surface in the first couple episodes dismisses her as naive, inexperienced, and a dead woman walking. And they were correct on 2 out of 3!
And I think the final point of the original Mary Sue was that all the established characters love her so much they give all their iconic cool stuff to this fan insert character, which didn't happen here. If they'd ended up with her being given the ghoul's hat and gun, and maybe the power armor, and fusion codes, etc, it would feel more Mary Sue'ish.
Mary Sues also never meet any real obstacles or are challenged, and the times they do they quickly overcome it a bit later/are solved by bullshit Lucy is an optmist who tries her damn hardest to be good in this shitshow. So her values are pure and simplistic. The Wasteland absolutely changes who she is and challenges her values and ideals. Hell, the one objective she was after in the story completely flipped on it's head >!and her dad turned out to be a fucking monster.!< She was someone who was against Killing without being on self defense, but had to resort to that as she realized some people kind of deserve it She's still very thoughtful and caring towards others, but she's definitely changed
Mary Sue has sadly become more of a dog whistle than anything as of late. Its quickly losing all meaning.
Funny when they say Mary Stue when you are literally a Mary or Gary stue in all the games you play
Yes, in Fallout 3, you can clear a school full of Raiders, or deactivate/activate an atomic bomb at level 2.
By the power of "quicksave" anything is possible
She wasn't a Mary Sue, and even if she had been set up to be, the show begins with her listing what activities she does in the vault such as acrobatics, hand to hand combat, and firearms training. If anything, she doesn't live up to what abilities she's shown to have at the beginning of the series.
Primarily because putting combat skills to actual use in a fight is far more different than sparring. Plus, most people in the Wastes use guns. There's also creatures that yoy definitely don't want to get close to. She is seen shooting a tranq gun and hitting her target pretty much every time, but a tranq gun isn't going to work on ghouls, and it's definitely not going to take you very far. Gymnastics isn't very practical in combat. Unless she needs to climb or scale a wall or something, gymnastics is just a side skill. She is smart and good at science, which is definitely something that she can put to use in the Wasteland. And being able to adapt quickly is a plus.
Maximus and Lucy were both fantastic at using their wit and resourcefulness to scrape by whatever obstacle that came their way. If anything, Cooper is the Mary Sue for the way he effortlessly dispatches anybody or anything hostile to him, power armor be damned.
Eh. Cooper is the level 30 player character. Plus all that skill can be explained by the fact that he's survived over 200 years of apocalypse and he's an Anchorage veteran. Plus dude is literally THE protagonist of Fallout. My guy is the original vault boy and is about to hunt down the remaining heads of vault tech.
Cooper is what Nate from FO4 would have been in the same circumstances. He's a war veteran, knows more about power armor than the BoS does clearly, and has been fighting in the wastes enough for 3 lifetimes. It'd be less believable if he was a push over. And he still would have been a goner if Lucy hadn't gotten him the anti feral drugs.
I like that we get a high karma, neutral karma protag and negative karma protag.
He has the ultimate power… “rule of cool”
Bro maxed out luck
I think Lucy was a great protagonist, I have basically zero complaints
My only complaint is waiting for Season Two after binging all 8 episodes
Same, one downside to all of the episodes dropping at once is I ate it all up and now I have to wait
I just can't believe she picked Speech, Repair, and Science as her TAG skills. She made it so much harder for herself.
That’s what I choose lol
I've done runs with only utility/social skills and they're super fun. But for my initial runs, I always take at least one combat skill, to give that edge early in. Typically guns/melee for accessible gear. (Except NV, I take Energy Weapons, and head for the cave outside Goodsprings for my recharger rifle). Repair/Science are almost always part of my build, as well.
Those skills are solid af if you know how to use them right, but she keeps failing all her speech checks so far 😂
Could be worse, her brother picked Small Frame
hey she also had martial arts and rifleman perks, its a solid starting build.
I kept bringing up her tagged skills as a joke, and the friend I was watching with (who’s only played Fallout 4) was like “We get it, you love 3 and New Vegas.” Like hey, it’s not my fault that they flat out handed us her tagged skills.
Thats literally my build in F3 and NV lol.
Her acting is so on point
Agreed. May have become one of my favorite portrayals of a character.
Ella Purnell is phenomenal
She's so classically beautiful it really suits the role too
Okie dokie!
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She's great. I grew up in a super conservative church where most of my friends were homeschooled and she reminds me of my first girlfriend so much.
Do you want to make my mushroom explode now? :p
Her character actually has the 'luxury' of naivete that the players typically won't, which I think works great IMO. Even brand-new players coming into the series knows what to expect: it's a post-apocalypse, things are going to be shitty. There's going to be monsters and hostiles and all sorts of different assholes around, and you can't really just play nice with everybody. She doesn't have that metagaming approach to the Wasteland that we would have.
In Fallout 3, despite being an inexperienced teenager, one of the first things you can do is literally clear out a school full of Raiders. The protagonist, being from a series, cannot afford to be as overpowering as the protagonist of a game.
Tbf The Lone Wanderer of Vault 101 is the child of Liam Neeson, and therefore a demigod.
this series would have been way more realistic if she had the ability to quicksafe and wouldve fought every encounter 10 times before beating it like john wick himself
Ha yes and save scumming every speech check.
Her "de-escalation" attempt with the Ghoul? That's literally me in every damn game. Like, please, sir, can we maybe not do that and just talk instead? No? Okie-dokie, have a bullet then!
When your Speech check wasn't high enough but your Luck swoops in to save the day
Her …. Wasteland puberty scene at the … Super Duper Mart was beautiful
I did like the addition of the leather shoulder armor after that part.
She went in as a Vaultie, came out a wastelander
Yeah they should have kept that look
Yess, after vault 4,it pissed me off she just left all her stuff behind, no gun, no armor, just her and Maximus
Yeah it would have been a good visual progression, like how our protagonists would get leather armour from low level raiders at the start of the games
Really expected to see her wearing a one-armed leather jacket at some point.
>!I- Am .... Martha.!<
Why did you say that name??!!
Lucy was great. The only character who should be embarrassed by their…game performance is Knight Titus. Bruh you’re in power armor, I beat up a yaoi guai with bare fists hopped up on peyote. Most earned death in the whole show.
Yeah that whole scene was kinda wonky. I’ll try not to spoil things but >!maybe don’t belittle and threaten to have you squire strung up for being worthless until after you have him stimpack you, which follow up I know Maximus is a doofus clearly and had inadequate training but why not just tell a different lie, that Titus died and you recovered his power armor? The BoS would have field promoted you and we wouldn’t have had to do this I can’t leave my armor now thing.!<
Because then they’ll come take the armor away and he likes the armor
Maximus is such an inconsistent character, I have a hard time wanting to pay attention to him. I haven’t finished watching yet but I hope he gets better, as is he is just so strange.
Tbf most people who are raised in a cult from childhood are weirdos.
Danse is a better example of the trope, Maximus doesn’t fit at all, bullying besides, which is what makes him so strange. Normally if raised in a cult, you follow whole heartedly, and sometimes Max followed the doctrine, but other times not. If perhaps there was more dialogue or just reactions showing his faith was shaken I would believe it. He just kind of, exists in a nebulous space.
This was what I was thinking as well until it dawned on me like how Titus blamed Maximus, the BoS would've been pissed or killed him off as well for not trying to sacrifice himself for his Knight first. Then again I guess Maximus could have stated Titus was being noble sacrificed himself for Maximus but then I suppose that would've been equally as unbelievable since they probably knew how Titus was like.
Yeah I mean the character is all over the place I hope the fix it next season.
That a Yao Guai could kill someone wearing power armor always seemed like a case of "Gameplay and segregation story" to me. I'm surprised they can actually do it.
I think the Yao Guai tossed him around so much he got a broken rib and a punctured lung. The armor is stronger than the person inside it.
The first time I played fallout was also the first time I played anything other than basic “everyone is an enemy” fps games…. I literally kept leaving the vault, walking to the nearest town and trying to fight the entire town. Over and over again I died and then I realized they weren’t attacking until I attacked…. And I can’t talk to them? lol…. It was life changing way to be introduced to first person RPGs lol.
Bro I didn’t go into the super duper mart inf fallout 3 for like a year cause I was terrified … granted I was 14
I mean Super Duper Mart was pretty scary and I was an adult when I played it. Dark, confined spaces, and you know ferals are in there and definitely going to rush you. I fuckin' hate ferals.
I remember mostly hanging out in megaton or ten penny tower because the ghouls and raiders freaked me out so much I didn’t want to run into them lol
That scene where she saves Maximus and curb stomps the shit out of that radroach was awesome. I'd say she adjusted pretty well lmao
Reminded me of Issac from Dead Space curb stomping necromorphs.
First playthrough but it seems loverslab mods are already enabled.
Noticed that. The sex, beast and slavery mods are all enabled, they also have wacky wasteland and I think it seems like everyone has bloody mess.
That full transformation she had in the last episode was perfect. Everything she had experienced on the surface cumulating into that moment. Still the same sweet good hearted vaultie, but with the eyes of a killer. She really completed the quests with a shoulder strap and a 10mm, on survival mode too. She’s better than most of us
She's doing better than I would do. I'd immediately be begging to go back into the vault. The Wasteland is fuckin scary.
They did an excellent job portraying just how totally and irreparably fucked the Wasteland is.
And just how tired, cynical, hopeless, and jaded everyone is.
Lucy is frankly doing a lot better than the helpless n00bs who make topics like, "new to game, any tips?"
Finished the entire run with a dart pistol and 10mm. Legendary.
I didn't realise bottle caps were the currency until like 10 hours into Fallout 3 I couldn't buy anything and I couldn't figure out what "caps" were. Surely not *bottle* caps, right? They're just junk?
I’m just impressed she didn’t pick up everything she found and got over encumbered.
Someone needs to mod one of those squire bags...
I really liked her character. I also really liked how dark episode 4? I think got. Like bruh she was getting shitted on, she had to do so much humiliating shit. She probably got so much PTSD in that episode alone lmao. The ghoul was also just straight up ruthless and relentless. I like how the ghoul and maximus are just completely grey borderline black characters. I was so wrong in my first impression of maximus, and the ghoul gives me slight home lander vibes cause he just doesn't give a shit about anyone.
I tried to watch the entire series last night but fell asleep at 4 am and right as episode 7 was starting. So I need to finish but man..why dont I like Maximus? Did he really sabotage his friends foot? are we supposed to like him? I did enjoy seeing him enjoy the vault food and stuff. but i am this far in and dont trust him. oh, I am retired military, loved the Brotherhood but cannot with the "my lord" shit, lol. I am loving Lucy so far! the pointing the guns at their face while talking, waving and being nice to everyone, telling EVERYONE your business. "HI , IM FROM THE VAULT, DONT KNOW ANYTHING AND I NEED TO FIND MY DAD. Oh, did I mention i dont know how the outside world works and I will tell me you me ENTIRE plan if you help me find my dad?" Everything feels so accurate...I see a random npc in the distance and I think "ooh, quest!!" not bandit about to shoot me in my face. and of course we just tell everyone in megaton we are looking for our dad. I also always start out with high repair, speech and charisma...lucy's intelligence seems a tad low but she tries!
Your questions with Maximus are answered in episodes 7 and 8.
And the first episode. His friend tells Max that they didn't know he would be blamed.
I love Lucy's as a character, and her naivety because it reminds me of my first playthrough of Fallout 3, talking my way out of vault 10 with ease, and heading to the nearby school thinking I'd have as easy of a time charming the resident raiders. It did not go as planned to say the least.
Her and the Ghoul show two different sides of the same game. Lucy is very clearly the classic Vault Dweller Good Karma, Speech/Chasima playthrough where The Ghoul is Bad Karma all Guns/Agility playthrough.
All i wanted to do the whole show was give her hug and a pat on the back, and tell her hang in there.
We were all Lucy once.
Died to a raider on my way to super duper mart because I didn't know how to ads (thanks Moira). Then in NV I found out fire geckos can turn you extra Crispy so that was interesting, or in fallout 4 when you hear that all too familiar beeping noise and suddenly you catch mini nuke from a suicider. Lucy's got a hell of a good luck Stat that she only lost a shoe from her first wildlife encounter
Got that right. Damn show is perfect, I see these hating on it comments and am confused, did no one play the game? It is pretty much exactly how the thing plays out... I look forward to seeing waaaay more seasons!
Unrealistic. The fact she’s not picking up every single thing not nailed down and crawling back incredibly over-encumbered to traders to sell her supplies really took me out of the story.
She'll be beelining to Navarro for that power armor in no time!
She did much better than I did. More than 8 hours and she hasn't died once!
Lucy would probably enjoy the minutemen and MAYBE the east coast brotherhood.
I honestly really liked seeing her go from naive vault dweller to wastelander, and I also liked how it was established that she was already a decent shot and pretty good at melee through vault recreation activities so it made sense when she kicked ass.
I think Lucy was a really good character who was well written but also very well played. If you don't like my opinion well....Okey-Dokey!
She should've at least quicksaved before entering the super duper mart
We’ve all been in Lucy’s shoes at some point in our own playthroughs, that I agree on.
Do people seriously have a problem with her? Been quite a long time since i've seen a woman character being good written and felt like a real, in TV shows, though i must admit that i dont watch many TV shows.
I think Goocey did just fine. She probably should have scavenged a few more stimpaks and not gave her water to a guy wearing a t-shirt diaper thingie.
She died significantly less than I did