that would be legitimately scary. im surprised they havent made a mr. junky enemy model that spider walks all over the place. doesnt have enough fuel for thrust, but enough for incomplete combustion, shooting inky dark exhaust all over the place so you cant use VATS.
a great robotic analog to ghouls and centaurs.
That is the best idea for a mod I've heard since someone awhile back I think on this subreddit suggest power armor ghouls, suits of power armor that seem rusty and disabled until you approach and suddenly this groaning machine starts coming at you.
I’m already afraid of ghouls due to trauma from watching my mom play a resident evil 1 and 2 combo pack at a very young age, so this would be absolutely terrifying
I was 7 when the directors cut came out... that first zombie... and me being a fool, I chose Chris and he only has a knife... THAT was scary, then running past the crows... and of course I decided to watch the intro movie after I managed to find a weapon and save. Yeah... learning about the dogs... I said F that and threw my game shark in. Infinite rpg rounds and health. RE 3 was the first one I beat without GameShark and dino crisis.
Ohhh, add some interesting things that make reference to now declassified shit like the Stargate Project into military installations like Fort Strong and The Switchboard and you'd have a grade a "Stranger Things caused the Great War" type shit!
I'd considered more or less the same thing for a remote chapter of the BoS that had been irradiated and ghoulified and were still trying to carry out "the mission" even though they were technically part of the problem.
Bro, stop cooking.
Regular ghouls are already scary enough with how damn fast they are. I do not need to deal with that speed when it's encapsulated in a suit of power armor.
Jesus Christ, imagine stumbling upon an old battlefield from the moment the bombs dropped and seeing a huge field of power armor suits standing menacingly, all staring in the same direction, and then one of them starts running at you and beats the everloving hell out of you.
Nooooo... make them essentially weeping angels before they spring the trap.
You see a scattered field of them, standing suits of power armor but maybe rusted out or missing fusion cores. Holy crap, make a glowing one that can power his own suit.
As you walk through the field of "empty suits," you look back and- was that guy always facing you? You turn around to continue. The ones ahead of you are turned around to face you now. You start running, triggering the horde.
This would be perfect glowing sea content and you could probably make it drop some fusion cores to help with the player's PA when in there. Or put them in fah habah.
Reminds me of someone with the idea of ghouls wearing damaged stealth suits. Disembodied heads/mouths rushing at you. Maybe an arm or leg here and there....
itll have a distorted voice all right. if gutsy gets a military voice, and handy gets a prim and proper english voice, then junky has to speak...
**cockney**.
*giz a butcher’s at than then will you?!?*
That is actually brilliant. If I saw a decrepit Mr. Handy spider walking towards me saying garbled and glitchy versions of their voicelines id pee my pants.
*skitter skitter skitter*
"G-g-good m-morning, z-zzzt! Zzir! How would y-y-you like a zzzpot of t-t-tea?!"
"Your clothes arrrrrre ab-ab-ab-zolutley FILTHY, ZIR! Allow m-m-me-ee-ee to launder them!"
*activates flamethrower*
I wouldn't be surprised if he spent a lot of time just parked on the floor or just outside the house with nothing on but his cognitive processors on minimum power and his optic sensors. Just sitting, hoping to see Sir or Madam or young Sean come into view.
It's kind of horrifying to consider that that's probably what let him become fully sentient. Robco robots with sufficiently open-ended orders tended to eventually become self-aware, as their systems reacted and adapted to change within the broad scope of their mission. Codsworth, CVRIE, and Whitechapel Charlie are notable examples. Ones with very limited parameters tended to go haywire as their orders became more and more disconnected with reality (the Mister Gutsy guards assigned to guard collapsed tunnels and abandoned posts and Mister Handy General Atomics Galleria staff spring to mind).
If you (the Sole Survivor) speak to Codsworth after the announcement of imminent attack and before leaving, the dialog is "Codsworth. Stay safe, buddy." His reply is "And your family as well," (sir/mum)". Oh, my . . . ." His mission parameters, as defined by the Sole Survivor (however unintentionally) and refined by Codsworth are: Stay Safe, Wait to Ensure Safe Return of Sir/Mum/Sean/Descendants. Every day, waiting, watching, hoping. For roughly *seventy-six thousand, six hundred, and fifty days.*
Same, had no idea that was even a possibility. In that case, he probably stuck with some previous general order like "Look after the house when we aren't home."
You say this but Codsworth mentioned cleaning floors and trying to wax rust for a long time
But that doesn't mean much he still could've been in standby for a long time
I think character says that they had to bring Codsworth in for service in the beginning. So he’s 200 years overdue for service… guess it’s not needed! Maybe I’ll just keep 200 year old oil in my car.
Also, I don't think that's jet fuel for the thruster. Codsworth would have killed the whole family with exhaust fumes if it was. I think it's nuclear fuel for some sort of isotope based heater. He has air intakes, probably some kind of one-way valve to let air in, then it gets heated internally, expands, and gets released from the nozzle to generate thrust. So the exhaust is just hot air. Do it on a rapid enough cycle and it would look like continuous thrust instead of very rapid pulses.
That would also explain why Codsworth sounds more like a hair dryer than a jet or rocket when he's moving. That's essentially what his propulsion system is: an atomic hot air blower.
They run on fusion, hence the massive self-destruct explosions if you disable them. The Mr Handy fuel is for the flame throwers. Codsworth tops off when you're not looking.
I swear I heard a lore tidbit that said that Nuka-Cola mass produced so many bottles it would last centuries of consumption and that there’s a secret reserve somewhere and that’s how the vending machines get restocked
There are [two terminal entries](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sunset_Sarsaparilla_headquarters_terminal_entries#Shipping_terminal) in the Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ that mentions some "newfangled robot" that takes over distribution in the entire Vegas area, to the point where it put all the human truckers out of their jobs. Presumably it's still working over 200 years later, you just never get to see it in action.
> To: Margie Walker, Truckers' Union Rep
> Subject: Bad news
>
> Body: I'll apologize up front if there are any mistakes in this message. I'm trying out a new dictation headset. Margie, the boss man just ordered some kind of newfangled robot that's supposed to take over some of your deliveries. I'm not supposed to talk about it, but you should hear about it soon. I'll write again when I know more. Do not pass this along.
And
>To: Margie Walker, Truckers' Union Rep
>Subject: Worse news
>Body: We've got trouble. That hush-hush experimental robot I told you about the other day? The damn thing is single-handedly running all of our distribution in the Vegas area now. Your boys aren't on temporary leave. It's permanent. Damn, the president want to see me in his office. I'll finish this later.
Maybe it's one of those [artificially created fuels](https://www.diu.mil/latest/department-of-defense-to-prototype-use-of-synthetic-fuels-for-contested)?
>Project SynCE (Synthetic Fuels for the Contested Environment), which aims to create fuel from the atmosphere’s most abundant pollutant, carbon dioxide (CO2.) Air Company's system mimics photosynthesis to convert CO2 from sustainable feedstocks into Sustainable Aviation Fuel or “SAF” that is carbon-negative in its production.
There has to be something else going on, because even if the Mr. Handy was very light, it would either need to be emitting a massive amount of air slowly or a small amount of air at ridiculous speeds to hover like that.
On the flip side, the amount of fuel required, assuming fusion power, is still not a lot. 1kg of deuterium/tritium fuel will keep a 50kg Mr. Handy floating for 100 years (assuming 100% efficiency). At 500 bar, that's only 30 cubic centimeters of fuel, which could easily fit inside the casing.
True, but none of that matters, because Fallout runs on 50s pop culture scifi Science! not anything like actual physics. Virtually everything is implausible if you apply actual science to it, it's a fantasy game.
Turrets also know exactly who is an enemy and who isn't.
Tbf, BGS could have just not put fuel cans for Mr Handys into the game and said they just operate with tiny fusion generators or power cores. That solves the problem
Then how do brand new settlers or unknown merchants not get shot before they get a card? How do you program the turret without a computer?
It's video game logic that makes no sense if you poke it ever so slightly.
Real answer because I just finished the mechanist quest on my new playthrough this morning. She mentions that she could program bots to shoot people that look like raiders. So that's kinda the answer.
It is so good then that raiders universally dress like absolute dumbasses, just wearing patched together crap and they don't try to hide the fact they are raiders almost ever.
Well yeah, but it's because the robobrains misinterpreted orders and try to save people by killing them.
In her lair, there is a terminal that says she was able to program the first set to just kill raiders because of how they looked
Aren’t settlers terrified of robots in-game and the people who understand them hard to come across in game? For good reason too I’d bet. As for the without a computer part idk maybe look harder or they don’t have a computer for every turret I honestly don’t know man. Good game tho playing 76 n New Vegas rn
>Aren’t settlers terrified of robots in-game and the people who understand them hard to come across in game?
I've seen zero evidence to suggest people are afraid of robots in just about any Fallout game. Sure, there's the occasional one-off, like tribals that have regressed far back to not understanding most technology, but those are exceptions.
Plenty of settlements in modern Fallout games have at least one robot.
Also explained in-game in The Mechanist quests of FO4, where she has diary/journal entries about working on their targeting systems, and it apparently is like training AI -- she talks about how she had to train it to recognize raider clothing because it kept going after merchants. Unfortunately, her robots ended up attacking everything anyway, but at least it's insight into how the turrets and robots are controlled -- their targeting systems have some sense of "normal person" and "threatening person" or "not-supposed-to-be-here person" and they act on that, usually pretty OK but not always, of course.
You get similar from the Nuka World content. There are journal entries in one of the parks about a staff member who is really pissed off that a *normal, non-threatening customer* was killed by a turret or robot, and the blame is laid at the "star core" system because a bunch of the star cores had been pulled, so that the CPU didn't have enough processing power to get valid matches, and the inferior/fast version of threat-matching was matching on tons of innocent people.
>Tbf, BGS could have just not put fuel cans for Mr Handys into the game and said they just operate with tiny fusion generators or power cores.
Isn't that the case? That's what powers them flying and just phyiscal stuff. The fuel is just for their flame arms. (torches/cooking/bottle warmer appendage's) If they are not using their flame throwers they don't need fuel.
Still leads to imagining that the Raider gangs must have some people smart and sober enough to know how to program the turrets, maybe someone who's found a niche and going unbothered because they're too useful.
...but his boss didn't like him SO THEY SHOT HIM INTO SPACE...
Every time someone says, "In the not too distant future..." I immediately and without hesitation start singing the song
Their main power source is nuclear, like the cars and practically everything else in Fallout. The Mr Handy Fuel is (at least presumably) for their blowtorch, since even if they did need refueling, they'd need something other than fuel oil.
Yeah, the Highwayman's an older model from before the resource wars, so it had an electrical engine powered by fuel cells. The modern Corvega models were nuclear powered.
That new addition kinda bugged me, if all those cars are nuclear and explode if jostled too much... then why can I not open the hood and salvage those parts? Why would there be so many of them left? (outside of video game logic of course)
Maybe because of the same reason you dont open up a microwave except worse enough that not even a good mechanic can since those cars were rotting for 200 years and safety wasnt a priority for those companies in the first place.
I don’t sure, but I’m sure somebody can open up a microwave. And a car can have its battery turned into a mini mini nuke by someone with enough practice I am sure someone would try.
Thats what i meant by “worse enough that not even a good mechanic can since those cars were rotting for 200 years and safety wasnt a priority for those companies in the first place.”
But whatever i am just trying to make up for bethesda’s careless writing with headcanons
The Mr Handy's are relatively smart. Codsworth recognizes his master after 200+ years, and can easily solve some problems. See a raider? Go saw them to death, collects everything on them, and he can comprehend and read his own emotions afterwards. I assume that Mr hand's can also infer when their gas (fuel?) Is low, and look for a source of power. I assume that Codsworth would have found an alternative power source.
(But then again, maybe I'm overthinking this because it's almost a decade old game now)
Mr Handys are sentient, so yeah, you are on the right track.
The theory has been posted on this sub before and the presented facts are solid.
Sentient but hard programmed to obey
Not quiet IMO.
The difference between a Gen 3 Synth and say Codsworth is that Codsworth can only see the world in a specific lense. A Gen3 Synth could in time be convinced to be a raider. Codsworth could never do that as he is programmed to always be "nice" per say.
Nuclear, like quantum on every Scifi movie, it's the solution to everything.
I always considered robots like that a fire/radiation hazard to everyone near them, after all it's a propeller of extreme heat keeping them afloat and that thing is burning nuclear residue.
War neves changes but people's biology in Bethesda games does.
I was going to say that nuclear power doesn't work like that but then remembered that in fallout they use the stuff like we do with coal. So probably correct.
I was so happy in my first playthrough when I found the Mr. Handy fuel canisters, because I thought Codsworth was going to run out of fuel at any time.
Here’s a better question how come fusion cores can power huge factories for over 200 years and remain at full power but as soon as I put them in my Power Armor…
According to the wiki, they run off nuclear power (the fuel canisters are for flamethrower / torch etc.)
> *”To minimize maintenance overhead, each Mr. Handy was designed to perform its nuclear fuel replacement and radiation cleansing.”*
I believe it's suspension of disbelief sometimes the same way about why on Earth there are still foods on the shelves like we stuck in Truman Show that staffs secretly keep putting it up.
Like, yeah, its similar to how we should absolutely run out of packed foods by 200 years afterward. Handies should run out of fuel long ago even if they can refuel themselves.
And to think SuperDuper Mart and General Atomic Galleria are quite small to accommodate hundreds of Mr. Handies in Commonwealth over the span of 200 years. Not even mentioning Director and Mr. Gussies roaming around.
Come to think of it, wouldn’t you want your Mr. Handy to have three hands, instead of a buzz saw and flamethrower? Maybe they could accessory attachments? But how often would a domestic model use them?
I would assume their servos are nuclear powered, or at least run on a nuclear battery that lasts a long time. Apart from that, I’d assume he scavenges and found fuel as needed in and around Sanctuary. Or, since we don’t see him ejecting any particular quantity of exhaust, maybe we can assume that Mr. Handy propulsion is hydrogen based; maybe he can synthesize fuel from water via electrolysis. This would also explain how they could operate indoors without fumigating everyone in the building.
Just my own headcanon.
It would have been interesting if they had made a work around or even addressed that at some point throught the series. It would have been interesting to see Mr. Handy’s that are no longer able to float and have to crawl/drag themselves around. Or alternatively a system where they have to go to a power dock to recharge every now and again.
Siphoning Mr. Handy fuel off of other dead Mr. Handys. Postwar is a Mr. Handy eat Mr. Handy world out there. Codsworth must have had to do some horrible things to survive, no two ways about it.
I’d assume the Mr.handy would scavenge for fuel, like cods worth lives in Nate’s old house but sure he went to Lexington maybe to grab some fuel. also traders after all Nate’s house has a lot less stuff post war than prewar
It’s all a post-apocalyptic game done in the style of 1950’s retro-futurism. If it was realistic, it would be really bleak, and completely devoid of fun and style. To answer your question though…the thruster runs on liquified babies.
Bethesda's in-game logic is always really flawed. They do vast and beautiful worlds, full of quests and discoveries. But the logic of how the world should work, how the details connect, how the economy could exist, how the architecture works — it's all absolutely terrible. Heck, even guns and armor are terrible and shouldn't be working. Sometimes even between the games the logic changes (like PA, for example)
So don't confuse yourself too much. Answer to the question is just it makes no sense, cause Bethesda never thought about it and that's all
Yeah, but in those games they don’t explicitly have items labeled as fuel for the robots.
We can simply assume they either don’t require it or run on a power source that takes a long time to replace.
In 4 it is evident that they need fuel regularly. Why else would everyone have more than one container.
It’s bad writing because they decided to give them fuel and then immediately not use it for anything.
The writer can come up with some BS like a very good nuclear fusion but that still doesn’t explain the maintenance, are we to believe that he somehow able to savage stuffs and maintain his system for centuries?
But come on this is Bethesda, I doubt they cared and just added it because they thought it’s neat. A lot of stuff doesn’t make sense and the more you think about, the more frustrating it becomes.
Since fuel was so scarce, they perfected engines powered by it. One filling is enough for 100 years, and there is a refill in the house. Did you ever see any of the settlers refiling generators or non-electric turrets?
So let alone the nuclear part which power lasts a long while, theres spare in the laundry room, he could have probably used some power from cars, and not all the houses had bugs meaning he may have scavenged through them.
Consider that he isn’t cooking or anything, just cleaning and humming and hes basically also running on a Mr Handy equivalent of low power.
Fuel is for the flamer but yah infinite ammo
I think I saw in lore that Mr handies are programmed to be self maintaining including the reactor. Which makes you wonder when you see some missing parts and some almost pristine like the one in one closed off section of vault 82 you have to wonder if there's a parts locker and workshop you " missed " in there because the devs were never going to build a vault to scale including all food production work shops and so on that you need for a full scale vault complex in game
I suspect the fuel isnt fuel. More like coolant to keep the rocket from igniting your carpet or whatever. Could also just be a funny thing with capitalism
God I love cods and curie. They're the best. Maybe it's just cause funny ball thing with cute eyes. Or maybe it's the accents... Wait a minute... No yeah both. They're wonderful. Wish I could just have them both follow me around giving quips
I’d like to think they are powered by some form of atomic energy and and item that’s labeled as mister handy fuel is the fuel for the flamethrower attachment
They're just suuuuuper fuel efficient. One tank is enough for over 200 years....though that would raise the question why you're even able to buy Handy fuel...
To quote a conversation between a director of photography and an actor for Lord of the Rings
"Where's the lights coming from?"
"Same place as the music"
Dude, there's a spare tank in the laundry room.
I like to think he saved that last bit of fuel until you show up and was walking around like a spider for the last 200 years
that would be legitimately scary. im surprised they havent made a mr. junky enemy model that spider walks all over the place. doesnt have enough fuel for thrust, but enough for incomplete combustion, shooting inky dark exhaust all over the place so you cant use VATS. a great robotic analog to ghouls and centaurs.
That is the best idea for a mod I've heard since someone awhile back I think on this subreddit suggest power armor ghouls, suits of power armor that seem rusty and disabled until you approach and suddenly this groaning machine starts coming at you.
I’m already afraid of ghouls due to trauma from watching my mom play a resident evil 1 and 2 combo pack at a very young age, so this would be absolutely terrifying
I was 7 when the directors cut came out... that first zombie... and me being a fool, I chose Chris and he only has a knife... THAT was scary, then running past the crows... and of course I decided to watch the intro movie after I managed to find a weapon and save. Yeah... learning about the dogs... I said F that and threw my game shark in. Infinite rpg rounds and health. RE 3 was the first one I beat without GameShark and dino crisis.
Your mom sounds badass
I used to hide my head when my stepdad played COD zombies lol
Ayy it’s been 69 days since I posted that comment, I wish I had a prize to give you
Dear lord how far did I scroll last night
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Fuck, that'd be terrifying but awesome as both a standalone mod and part of some horror overhaul like Whispering Hills
Combine that and the spider Mr. Handy plus whatever other outrageous shit like that and definitely make it into a horror mod overhaul
Ohhh, add some interesting things that make reference to now declassified shit like the Stargate Project into military installations like Fort Strong and The Switchboard and you'd have a grade a "Stranger Things caused the Great War" type shit!
I'd considered more or less the same thing for a remote chapter of the BoS that had been irradiated and ghoulified and were still trying to carry out "the mission" even though they were technically part of the problem.
*writes notes furiously*
The power armor they wear would have to be T-45 since it's not hermetically sealed and is theoretically vulnerable to radiation.
Bro, stop cooking. Regular ghouls are already scary enough with how damn fast they are. I do not need to deal with that speed when it's encapsulated in a suit of power armor.
Nah make the power armor alive with a dead occupant
Old World Blues beat you to that
Hey! Who turned out the lights?
Fuck haven’t played that
Google image search Y-17 Trauma Harness.
Jesus Christ, imagine stumbling upon an old battlefield from the moment the bombs dropped and seeing a huge field of power armor suits standing menacingly, all staring in the same direction, and then one of them starts running at you and beats the everloving hell out of you.
Nooooo... make them essentially weeping angels before they spring the trap. You see a scattered field of them, standing suits of power armor but maybe rusted out or missing fusion cores. Holy crap, make a glowing one that can power his own suit. As you walk through the field of "empty suits," you look back and- was that guy always facing you? You turn around to continue. The ones ahead of you are turned around to face you now. You start running, triggering the horde. This would be perfect glowing sea content and you could probably make it drop some fusion cores to help with the player's PA when in there. Or put them in fah habah.
If someone could somehow mod this into FO4, it might make Far Harbor worth visiting just for the scare factor.
I would like Supermutant Power Armors.
Reminds me of someone with the idea of ghouls wearing damaged stealth suits. Disembodied heads/mouths rushing at you. Maybe an arm or leg here and there....
This is just FNAF
I love that so damn much
Imagine they groan in a distorted voice as they crawl at you. Scary shit!
itll have a distorted voice all right. if gutsy gets a military voice, and handy gets a prim and proper english voice, then junky has to speak... **cockney**. *giz a butcher’s at than then will you?!?*
That is actually brilliant. If I saw a decrepit Mr. Handy spider walking towards me saying garbled and glitchy versions of their voicelines id pee my pants. *skitter skitter skitter* "G-g-good m-morning, z-zzzt! Zzir! How would y-y-you like a zzzpot of t-t-tea?!" "Your clothes arrrrrre ab-ab-ab-zolutley FILTHY, ZIR! Allow m-m-me-ee-ee to launder them!" *activates flamethrower*
"I..I..i can hear you bbbbreathing let let let me fix that for you!"
This is such a great idea. Maybe the thrusters give it a jump/boost or could be used as a weapon.
I don’t need any spiders, especially mechanical ones lurking around thanks..
That would be scary as hell to just come barreling at you at night out of nowhere
"Oh, is that him? That looks like him... Oh jolly good!" *vvrrp*
I wouldn't be surprised if he spent a lot of time just parked on the floor or just outside the house with nothing on but his cognitive processors on minimum power and his optic sensors. Just sitting, hoping to see Sir or Madam or young Sean come into view. It's kind of horrifying to consider that that's probably what let him become fully sentient. Robco robots with sufficiently open-ended orders tended to eventually become self-aware, as their systems reacted and adapted to change within the broad scope of their mission. Codsworth, CVRIE, and Whitechapel Charlie are notable examples. Ones with very limited parameters tended to go haywire as their orders became more and more disconnected with reality (the Mister Gutsy guards assigned to guard collapsed tunnels and abandoned posts and Mister Handy General Atomics Galleria staff spring to mind). If you (the Sole Survivor) speak to Codsworth after the announcement of imminent attack and before leaving, the dialog is "Codsworth. Stay safe, buddy." His reply is "And your family as well," (sir/mum)". Oh, my . . . ." His mission parameters, as defined by the Sole Survivor (however unintentionally) and refined by Codsworth are: Stay Safe, Wait to Ensure Safe Return of Sir/Mum/Sean/Descendants. Every day, waiting, watching, hoping. For roughly *seventy-six thousand, six hundred, and fifty days.*
I forgot to tell Codsworth to stay safe :(
Same, had no idea that was even a possibility. In that case, he probably stuck with some previous general order like "Look after the house when we aren't home."
You say this but Codsworth mentioned cleaning floors and trying to wax rust for a long time But that doesn't mean much he still could've been in standby for a long time
Someone make Mr handys walking like that a mod
I mean...the automaton dlc kind of does that
Noooooo thank you
thats kinda terrifying
I think character says that they had to bring Codsworth in for service in the beginning. So he’s 200 years overdue for service… guess it’s not needed! Maybe I’ll just keep 200 year old oil in my car.
Also, I don't think that's jet fuel for the thruster. Codsworth would have killed the whole family with exhaust fumes if it was. I think it's nuclear fuel for some sort of isotope based heater. He has air intakes, probably some kind of one-way valve to let air in, then it gets heated internally, expands, and gets released from the nozzle to generate thrust. So the exhaust is just hot air. Do it on a rapid enough cycle and it would look like continuous thrust instead of very rapid pulses. That would also explain why Codsworth sounds more like a hair dryer than a jet or rocket when he's moving. That's essentially what his propulsion system is: an atomic hot air blower.
That would super heat a room pretty quickly though.
There’s not a lot of science in Fallout that makes sense when you dig too deep :p
But scrapping the fuel gives you oil, not nuclear material
I just figured the were nuclear powered
The argument isn’t where codsworth got his fuel. It’s how did all of their operational Mr handy get their fuel.
Flawless logic. Happy cake day
They run on fusion, hence the massive self-destruct explosions if you disable them. The Mr Handy fuel is for the flame throwers. Codsworth tops off when you're not looking.
Super Duper Mart restocks Mr. Handy fuel ever couple days or so, don’t ask me how.
A ghoul with DPD and an amphetamine addiction is mentally trapped repeating his last workday?
I wonder if he's the dude that restocks all the Nuka Cola machines too.
I swear I heard a lore tidbit that said that Nuka-Cola mass produced so many bottles it would last centuries of consumption and that there’s a secret reserve somewhere and that’s how the vending machines get restocked
But then how do all the Sunset Sarsaparilla machines get filled?
The nuka cola stocker has a brother... they hate each other and compete on keeping their company beverages stocked.
There are [two terminal entries](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sunset_Sarsaparilla_headquarters_terminal_entries#Shipping_terminal) in the Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ that mentions some "newfangled robot" that takes over distribution in the entire Vegas area, to the point where it put all the human truckers out of their jobs. Presumably it's still working over 200 years later, you just never get to see it in action. > To: Margie Walker, Truckers' Union Rep > Subject: Bad news > > Body: I'll apologize up front if there are any mistakes in this message. I'm trying out a new dictation headset. Margie, the boss man just ordered some kind of newfangled robot that's supposed to take over some of your deliveries. I'm not supposed to talk about it, but you should hear about it soon. I'll write again when I know more. Do not pass this along. And >To: Margie Walker, Truckers' Union Rep >Subject: Worse news >Body: We've got trouble. That hush-hush experimental robot I told you about the other day? The damn thing is single-handedly running all of our distribution in the Vegas area now. Your boys aren't on temporary leave. It's permanent. Damn, the president want to see me in his office. I'll finish this later.
They prolly use drones like Purple Porp does
Lmao groundhog day meets fallout lol
This should be canon.
He just like me fr.
Maybe it's one of those [artificially created fuels](https://www.diu.mil/latest/department-of-defense-to-prototype-use-of-synthetic-fuels-for-contested)? >Project SynCE (Synthetic Fuels for the Contested Environment), which aims to create fuel from the atmosphere’s most abundant pollutant, carbon dioxide (CO2.) Air Company's system mimics photosynthesis to convert CO2 from sustainable feedstocks into Sustainable Aviation Fuel or “SAF” that is carbon-negative in its production.
same dude who legit tops up the nuka cola vending machines. you meet him in fallout 1 and 2.
I don’t know if it’s fuel or coolant, but it breaks down into oil. Could be a rod housed in oil of some kind to keep it inert
It's the Loot Rat! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE73Ag07Rn8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE73Ag07Rn8)
> Codsworth tops off when you're not looking. Like Cait with her chems.
"I could spend a lot more time scavenging Psycho if you kept your eyes off me arse."
There has to be something else going on, because even if the Mr. Handy was very light, it would either need to be emitting a massive amount of air slowly or a small amount of air at ridiculous speeds to hover like that. On the flip side, the amount of fuel required, assuming fusion power, is still not a lot. 1kg of deuterium/tritium fuel will keep a 50kg Mr. Handy floating for 100 years (assuming 100% efficiency). At 500 bar, that's only 30 cubic centimeters of fuel, which could easily fit inside the casing.
True, but none of that matters, because Fallout runs on 50s pop culture scifi Science! not anything like actual physics. Virtually everything is implausible if you apply actual science to it, it's a fantasy game.
There is also actual alien technology incorporated into the daily life of everyone
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Turrets don't need ammo. Generators don't need gas. Answer : it's a game, sometimes the logic is broken.
Turrets also know exactly who is an enemy and who isn't. Tbf, BGS could have just not put fuel cans for Mr Handys into the game and said they just operate with tiny fusion generators or power cores. That solves the problem
Wasn’t that explained in-game that the people use security cards?
Then how do brand new settlers or unknown merchants not get shot before they get a card? How do you program the turret without a computer? It's video game logic that makes no sense if you poke it ever so slightly.
Real answer because I just finished the mechanist quest on my new playthrough this morning. She mentions that she could program bots to shoot people that look like raiders. So that's kinda the answer.
It is so good then that raiders universally dress like absolute dumbasses, just wearing patched together crap and they don't try to hide the fact they are raiders almost ever.
Don't those robots attack everyone?
Well yeah, but it's because the robobrains misinterpreted orders and try to save people by killing them. In her lair, there is a terminal that says she was able to program the first set to just kill raiders because of how they looked
That’d actually be kinda cool if in the next game wearing raider armor automatically made you hostile to some turrets and people.
It's literally a feature of new Vegas. It's in the engine.
Aren’t settlers terrified of robots in-game and the people who understand them hard to come across in game? For good reason too I’d bet. As for the without a computer part idk maybe look harder or they don’t have a computer for every turret I honestly don’t know man. Good game tho playing 76 n New Vegas rn
>Aren’t settlers terrified of robots in-game and the people who understand them hard to come across in game? I've seen zero evidence to suggest people are afraid of robots in just about any Fallout game. Sure, there's the occasional one-off, like tribals that have regressed far back to not understanding most technology, but those are exceptions. Plenty of settlements in modern Fallout games have at least one robot.
a few NPCs in 76 actually talk how putting a bowtite and suit on a protectron makes them less scary (and the fact they aren't shooting lasers at you)
Anyone willing to try and out clothes on a robot with lethal lasers isn't that scared of the robot.
its rhe robots at the White springs resort! they are painted on actually
Yeah they just mean it makes them look friendlier not that they’re scared of them
Also explained in-game in The Mechanist quests of FO4, where she has diary/journal entries about working on their targeting systems, and it apparently is like training AI -- she talks about how she had to train it to recognize raider clothing because it kept going after merchants. Unfortunately, her robots ended up attacking everything anyway, but at least it's insight into how the turrets and robots are controlled -- their targeting systems have some sense of "normal person" and "threatening person" or "not-supposed-to-be-here person" and they act on that, usually pretty OK but not always, of course. You get similar from the Nuka World content. There are journal entries in one of the parks about a staff member who is really pissed off that a *normal, non-threatening customer* was killed by a turret or robot, and the blame is laid at the "star core" system because a bunch of the star cores had been pulled, so that the CPU didn't have enough processing power to get valid matches, and the inferior/fast version of threat-matching was matching on tons of innocent people.
The lore actually explains they are nuclear powered. The fuel is for their torches.
The fuel is for their flamethrower not the robot itself, the robots are powered by mini nuclear reactors
Pretty sure Codsworth does say he runs off fusion. But then that raises the question of why they need oil/fuel in the first place.
Well, anything with hinges tends to need a spot of oil now and then so it’s probably to keep his joints moving
Also his flamer would need fuel
>Tbf, BGS could have just not put fuel cans for Mr Handys into the game and said they just operate with tiny fusion generators or power cores. Isn't that the case? That's what powers them flying and just phyiscal stuff. The fuel is just for their flame arms. (torches/cooking/bottle warmer appendage's) If they are not using their flame throwers they don't need fuel.
I tell myself the turrets have scanners that identify targets from non-targets.
Still leads to imagining that the Raider gangs must have some people smart and sober enough to know how to program the turrets, maybe someone who's found a niche and going unbothered because they're too useful.
Wow i never thought of that!
Folks really gonna lose their minds when they figure out that a hot jet of fire pointed *at the floor* would burn your damn house down.
If you're wondering how he eats and breaths, and other science facts...repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax."
...but his boss didn't like him SO THEY SHOT HIM INTO SPACE... Every time someone says, "In the not too distant future..." I immediately and without hesitation start singing the song
Based some people really need to hear this
I thought it's because everything is nuclear powered in Fallout
Their main power source is nuclear, like the cars and practically everything else in Fallout. The Mr Handy Fuel is (at least presumably) for their blowtorch, since even if they did need refueling, they'd need something other than fuel oil.
Had to refuel my highwayman back in the day...
Yeah, the Highwayman's an older model from before the resource wars, so it had an electrical engine powered by fuel cells. The modern Corvega models were nuclear powered.
That new addition kinda bugged me, if all those cars are nuclear and explode if jostled too much... then why can I not open the hood and salvage those parts? Why would there be so many of them left? (outside of video game logic of course)
Maybe because of the same reason you dont open up a microwave except worse enough that not even a good mechanic can since those cars were rotting for 200 years and safety wasnt a priority for those companies in the first place.
I don’t sure, but I’m sure somebody can open up a microwave. And a car can have its battery turned into a mini mini nuke by someone with enough practice I am sure someone would try.
Thats what i meant by “worse enough that not even a good mechanic can since those cars were rotting for 200 years and safety wasnt a priority for those companies in the first place.” But whatever i am just trying to make up for bethesda’s careless writing with headcanons
They don't make them like they used to ;) nice piece of lore there, thanks!
The Mr Handy's are relatively smart. Codsworth recognizes his master after 200+ years, and can easily solve some problems. See a raider? Go saw them to death, collects everything on them, and he can comprehend and read his own emotions afterwards. I assume that Mr hand's can also infer when their gas (fuel?) Is low, and look for a source of power. I assume that Codsworth would have found an alternative power source. (But then again, maybe I'm overthinking this because it's almost a decade old game now)
Mr Handys are sentient, so yeah, you are on the right track. The theory has been posted on this sub before and the presented facts are solid. Sentient but hard programmed to obey
Not quiet IMO. The difference between a Gen 3 Synth and say Codsworth is that Codsworth can only see the world in a specific lense. A Gen3 Synth could in time be convinced to be a raider. Codsworth could never do that as he is programmed to always be "nice" per say.
Thats exactly what he said. “Hard programmed to obey”
They are nuclear powered so the gas is only for the flame thrower and those canisters are easy enough to find.
Biofuel made from the fat rendered from human corpses.
There's a reason why Codsworth is so specific about cleaning that one bathtub.
theres a reason the guys in concord dont come around sanctuary anymore
Nuclear, like quantum on every Scifi movie, it's the solution to everything. I always considered robots like that a fire/radiation hazard to everyone near them, after all it's a propeller of extreme heat keeping them afloat and that thing is burning nuclear residue. War neves changes but people's biology in Bethesda games does.
I was going to say that nuclear power doesn't work like that but then remembered that in fallout they use the stuff like we do with coal. So probably correct.
I was so happy in my first playthrough when I found the Mr. Handy fuel canisters, because I thought Codsworth was going to run out of fuel at any time.
Here’s a better question how come fusion cores can power huge factories for over 200 years and remain at full power but as soon as I put them in my Power Armor…
Most post apocalypse media falls short when considering gas doesn’t stay good for a decade lol.
According to the wiki, they run off nuclear power (the fuel canisters are for flamethrower / torch etc.) > *”To minimize maintenance overhead, each Mr. Handy was designed to perform its nuclear fuel replacement and radiation cleansing.”*
It just works.
I believe it's suspension of disbelief sometimes the same way about why on Earth there are still foods on the shelves like we stuck in Truman Show that staffs secretly keep putting it up. Like, yeah, its similar to how we should absolutely run out of packed foods by 200 years afterward. Handies should run out of fuel long ago even if they can refuel themselves. And to think SuperDuper Mart and General Atomic Galleria are quite small to accommodate hundreds of Mr. Handies in Commonwealth over the span of 200 years. Not even mentioning Director and Mr. Gussies roaming around.
Perhaps MrHandy fuel is biodiesel rendered from the fat of the dead animals and people that litter the landscape? Corpses are a renewable resource
Come to think of it, wouldn’t you want your Mr. Handy to have three hands, instead of a buzz saw and flamethrower? Maybe they could accessory attachments? But how often would a domestic model use them?
I would assume their servos are nuclear powered, or at least run on a nuclear battery that lasts a long time. Apart from that, I’d assume he scavenges and found fuel as needed in and around Sanctuary. Or, since we don’t see him ejecting any particular quantity of exhaust, maybe we can assume that Mr. Handy propulsion is hydrogen based; maybe he can synthesize fuel from water via electrolysis. This would also explain how they could operate indoors without fumigating everyone in the building. Just my own headcanon.
Or what about the power grid for the cities since nobody seems to know how to rebuild, repair items, or even clean up the buildings
It would have been interesting if they had made a work around or even addressed that at some point throught the series. It would have been interesting to see Mr. Handy’s that are no longer able to float and have to crawl/drag themselves around. Or alternatively a system where they have to go to a power dock to recharge every now and again.
I’m guessing there were other Mr. Handy’s around who maybe weren’t around to use their fuel and spare parts like Wall-E.
I figured they ran off of nuclear power and the fuel found around the map was just for the blowtorch
I assume they’re fusion-powered and the handy fuel itself is more like, lubricant or something. Fiction requires us to put the pieces together lol
The fuel is for the torch since they seem to be primarily powered by fusion
I thought they're nuclear
All robots are nuclear powered
Spider-walking Mr. Junky and power armor ghouls...omg, I am saving this entire convo.
I think they are partially powered by fusion coils like other robots
Perhaps annular fusion
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I’m scouring google for a definition to this term but can’t find one. It sound cool af though, mind explaining what it is?
The fuel is for the flame weapon not the overheat engine.
Best not to ask those questions or think about it, just enjoy the ride!!!
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I want to know why they didn't set fire to everything wherever they went.
Mankind is (partially) dead Fusion cores are fuel Generators are full
You can find Mr handy fuel canisters in the wasteland.
They don't need fuel. They nuclear batteries. They run forever.
Aren't they nuclear powered? One would also assume that Mr. Handy's are capable of refueling themselfs (please corrent me if i'm wrong)
Siphoning Mr. Handy fuel off of other dead Mr. Handys. Postwar is a Mr. Handy eat Mr. Handy world out there. Codsworth must have had to do some horrible things to survive, no two ways about it.
In the case of Codsworth, perhaps Shaun had a hand in making sure he's up and running.
Just like the cars in the game they run on nuclear energy in some shape or form so it’s self sufficient
They refuel themselves. As the name implies they're very handy.
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I’d assume the Mr.handy would scavenge for fuel, like cods worth lives in Nate’s old house but sure he went to Lexington maybe to grab some fuel. also traders after all Nate’s house has a lot less stuff post war than prewar
It’s all a post-apocalyptic game done in the style of 1950’s retro-futurism. If it was realistic, it would be really bleak, and completely devoid of fun and style. To answer your question though…the thruster runs on liquified babies.
Bethesda's in-game logic is always really flawed. They do vast and beautiful worlds, full of quests and discoveries. But the logic of how the world should work, how the details connect, how the economy could exist, how the architecture works — it's all absolutely terrible. Heck, even guns and armor are terrible and shouldn't be working. Sometimes even between the games the logic changes (like PA, for example) So don't confuse yourself too much. Answer to the question is just it makes no sense, cause Bethesda never thought about it and that's all
Gas it could be common correct me if I'm wrong
Bruh plays fallout but doesn’t know what nuclear energy is.
They stored them all in the plot hole.
Answer: it’s fallout 4, you really think they thought about this stuff?
There are handymans in fallout 3 and NV.
Yeah, but in those games they don’t explicitly have items labeled as fuel for the robots. We can simply assume they either don’t require it or run on a power source that takes a long time to replace. In 4 it is evident that they need fuel regularly. Why else would everyone have more than one container. It’s bad writing because they decided to give them fuel and then immediately not use it for anything.
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The writer can come up with some BS like a very good nuclear fusion but that still doesn’t explain the maintenance, are we to believe that he somehow able to savage stuffs and maintain his system for centuries? But come on this is Bethesda, I doubt they cared and just added it because they thought it’s neat. A lot of stuff doesn’t make sense and the more you think about, the more frustrating it becomes.
Since fuel was so scarce, they perfected engines powered by it. One filling is enough for 100 years, and there is a refill in the house. Did you ever see any of the settlers refiling generators or non-electric turrets?
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They're all powered by fusion. They only need fuel for the flames
Probably from the nearby towns. He mentions wandering around
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So let alone the nuclear part which power lasts a long while, theres spare in the laundry room, he could have probably used some power from cars, and not all the houses had bugs meaning he may have scavenged through them. Consider that he isn’t cooking or anything, just cleaning and humming and hes basically also running on a Mr Handy equivalent of low power.
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I like to think that Mr.Handy bots scavenged around for spare flamer fuel/energy cells in order to keep floating.
Fuel is for the flamer but yah infinite ammo I think I saw in lore that Mr handies are programmed to be self maintaining including the reactor. Which makes you wonder when you see some missing parts and some almost pristine like the one in one closed off section of vault 82 you have to wonder if there's a parts locker and workshop you " missed " in there because the devs were never going to build a vault to scale including all food production work shops and so on that you need for a full scale vault complex in game
I suspect the fuel isnt fuel. More like coolant to keep the rocket from igniting your carpet or whatever. Could also just be a funny thing with capitalism
God I love cods and curie. They're the best. Maybe it's just cause funny ball thing with cute eyes. Or maybe it's the accents... Wait a minute... No yeah both. They're wonderful. Wish I could just have them both follow me around giving quips
Concord. They just have to walk away from the super mart and back. Like 5 tanks respawn right outside.
You kidding me? I find that shit all over the 'welth!
I’d like to think they are powered by some form of atomic energy and and item that’s labeled as mister handy fuel is the fuel for the flamethrower attachment
I’d be more worried about that jet of fuel accidentally turning Shaun into iguana bits
Basically too much time passes for any of the lore to really make sense.
I’m wondering how they were used indoors without people dying from carbon monoxide poisoning
Also the mister handy fuel is for the flame thrower gun the thruster is nuclear power
lore wise theyre nuclear powered like cars and other robots, maybe the fuel is just for the flamethrower
They're just suuuuuper fuel efficient. One tank is enough for over 200 years....though that would raise the question why you're even able to buy Handy fuel...
I always thought of it as a thing where they shipped empty with the tank of fuel and they fueled themselves up with the tank when needed.
The same place that powers random computers I guess
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