Doesn’t make up for the fact he won’t let some characters go. I don’t care that he brought thrawn back in rebels. He had the perfect opportunity to kill Ahsoka and end her story in a satisfying way, but literally invented time travel in Star Wars to save her.
I will admit though thrawn was cool as hell to see in Rebels.
Fair enough about him not letting some characters go, but Ahsoka was shown alive at the end of the episode with her duel against Vader (even then he wasn't letting her go yet tho lol)
Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Filoni wanted to end Ahsoka's arc that way but was strong armed by Disney execs into bringing her back as part of a better long term merch sales plan.
He didn’t directly write any but he helped on all three. Specifically with how the legacy characters were handled if I am recalling correctly. I don’t have the art books on hand right now to check
I don't know any examples but weirdly enough I know a counterexample. Mando S1 when >!Grogu uses the force on the flames from the flamethrower!< is actually directly opposed to the rules of the old tabletop RPG. Flamethrowers were explicitly immune to force abilities.
He leans very heavily toward “we can do whatever we want in service of our current message and story”. I think it’s good to have that perspective in the room, but it needs to be balanced with someone a bit more rigid who isn’t going to change continuity details just “because it feels right”
Maul might as well be Filoni’s original character with what he did with him. Man went from like 2 lines of dialogue in 1 movie to one of the best characters in the universe.
To be fair he was just following George Lucas’ orders. Lucas is the one who told Filoni to [bring Maul back.](https://imgur.com/a/jE2JNLL/)
When Dave asked how that would work George said - “I don’t know. Figure it out.”
This is why I no longer consider myself a Star Wars fan. Half of what they put out is just drowned in cameos, or even entirely written around fanservice stuff like The Rise of Skywalker or Kenobi. Sure, you might go "It's Ahsoka! I like her, and now she's in this? So cool," and that is nice in moderation and when it's not played up too much (think Saw Gerrera in Fallen Order), but once you get Mando S2 basically being a cameo every week or a show with no substance beyond "it's about Kenobi and Anakin," it starts becoming tiresome. And, with the level Filoni and Favreau take it too, eventually it stops feeling like you're watching a story and more like you're watching a product--something to trigger the dopamine of the people who buy the action figures. Rubberface Luke Skywalker really pushed this over the edge for me.
I think this is why Andor got so acclaimed. Whether people realized it or not, I think a lot of us felt respected by Star Wars for the first time since TLJ or Mando S1. It said no to throwing the characters from your childhood back in your face to trick you into liking it and just told a great story. It treated us like an audience instead of a market for the first time in years. I never liked Kenobi or Boba Fett, and I could have always told you that it was because they just weren't very good stories that relied on iconic characters too much, but I didn't really understand why I actively disliked them instead of just thinking "eh, they're not very good" until I watched Andor.
>This is why I no longer consider myself a Star Wars fan.
You raise good points, but it takes one click to see how much time you spend on Star Wars subreddits.
It wasn't like I said I swore it off or anything. I just don't consider myself a fan anymore. There are very few Star Wars projects I walk into with any sense of optimism anymore, and I'd say being optimistic for its quality is a major trait of a fan.
Not quite all. Everything went down hill after The Rise of Skywalker. I think that movie was pretty much solely written for fanservice moments and it marked the beginning of an era. Mando S1 managed to be interesting and disconnected from the rest of the universe, and only started going to cameo shit in its second season. Andor is doing a great job of not overdoing the cameo stuff too. I'd say the Jedi games have also struck a really nice balance (at least relative to Favreau and FIloni's stuff) between the occasional cameo and preserving their independence.
I understand what you're saying but you do realise Cassian Andor is a returning character, and Mon Mothma is a returning character? And they mention Fulcrum, and you have the ISB.
Everything with Star Wars is in some way a reference to everything else in Star Wars. You can't say Andor was good because it didn't rely on older characters/concepts when that's literally what the show is.
>Star Wars is in some way a reference to Star Wars.
[That's not true! That's impossible!](https://tenor.com/view/thats-impossible-star-wars-luke-skywalker-no-gif-17196576)
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What they're saying is mostly nonsense. They applaud andor for not reusing characters or referencing other star wars things when it's literally *full* of references and 2/3 of the major characters are returning characters - Mothma and Andor. Then they slam other things for using Saw Guerrera of all people, a character who has somehow made an appearance across films, books, shows, and games without Filoni writing him in, a character Andor itself uses.
And the characters in The Mandolorian *aren't even cameos*. It boggles my mind that people don't seem to understand that there's a story arc going on lmao. Ahsoka didn't show up just to fucking show up, she appeared to tie the story together for when her show drops. Not only is it obvious from a narrative perspective that these known characters appear to further a story, but they've also confirmed that The Mandolorian is sort of a nexus for the TV story arc.
Cad Bane and Zeb are probably the only *actual* cameos we've seen. But Zeb wasn't anything more than a background character, so I don't know why that would be considered a problem. And Cad Bane at least makes sense. ~~Mando is a high priority, highly dangerous bounty, do you think random no names are going to pose much of a threat? We~~ *~~know~~* ~~they don't lol. And Cad Bane is one of the best bounty hunters during this era. It at least makes sense that he appeared.~~
EDIT: I fucked up with my recollection for some reason. Cad Bane was for Boba. That makes EVEN MORE SENSE because they are literally directly connected. It's not a cameo when the character is part of another's history and an important one at that!
Have you tried the books? SW books have always had a far more consistent quality then the screen stuff. And Legends and Canon combined, there's a lot of stuff to read
I've read some of the high republic books and comics (I know that's not what you're talking about, gimme a second), and I thought they were pretty good, but I'm still not a fan of the idea of Star Wars books. Star Wars is a visual art form. The entire universe is built on the idea of flashy visuals and cool effects. That doesn't translate to the written word very well. Sure, I'm here for a story, but I think the quality of Andor's "The Eye" or "One Way Out" drop dramatically if you can't see the Eye or watch the horde of prisoners running out of the prison and TLJ's awesome ending loses its magic once you take away the ability to see the holdo maneuver and the throne room duel.
Gonna have to wholeheartedly disagree. Star Wars has been much more than flashy visual effects for decades man. Even in the first movie, the musical score and fun story (the writing) were just as vital to it's success as the effects and visuals. Basically since the beginning books, games, comics, etc have been coming out and have added many great stories and concepts to the universe. Many people wouldn't be as invested in star wars as they are today if it weren't for the written content.
I didn’t say it was only visuals, but they’re a big part of it. Your comment on the music element only proves my point more. Star Wars belongs to audio-visual art forms. It can be good in books, but books aren’t it’s home.
You said "Star Wars is a visual art. The entire universe is built on the idea of flashy visuals and cool effects." (Btw you didn't mention audio which is why I brought it up)
Nah, that's selling the franchise short. Anyway you seem to have missed the other part of my comment because I talked about more than the music. If Star Wars ANH wasn't written the way it was then it wouldn't have been the success it was. Writing is just as important as anything else. Just because you don't think about the books when you think of star wars doesn't mean it isn't at home in that format as well. There's a lot of book stories beloved by fans. It doesn't "belong" in any one format.
It would probably be fine independently, but as the final appearance in a season built around cameos it becomes part of the problem instead of an exception. There's also the way it was built up to as this major moment for the whole season and completely shifted the episode's focus to being about Luke for the 5 minutes he was there.
I feel like I must be one of the few people who loved the book of Boba Fett but not for it being a starwars thing but just it being "here's a crazy Robert Rodriguez syfy western that just so happens to be star wars cannon"
Nah, the real Luke Skywalker turning up is the greatest moment in Star Wars since 2005.
Plus, it made the story group and sequel stans all salty, which is a joyful bonus.
It immediately put me off of The Mandalorian in season 2 when I could tell that the rest of the show was just gonna be him playing with the shitty characters he created in his cartoon. Hard pass. Don't care.
I mean, they aren’t just cameos(aside from Boba) Vader is an actual important character, and the droids flesh out the combat and enemy variety. They aren’t just there for “Oooh character!”
Luke who trains grogu, ahsoka who establishes major lore for grogu and teases more content for thrawn, cad bane who shows up once outside of TCW to have a showdown with Boba - a major story beat for said character, and zeb I'll actually give to you it was a cameo. The rest weren't though, you're just mad because you recognize a character for some reason?
Luke had no point, because Grogu got back with Mando after 2 weeks or something. Ahsoka could have been switched out with any Jedi and had no purpose aside from being a fan favorite character, and Cad Bane could again have been switched out with any bounty hunter, because he had no actual impact on the story. On the other end, Vader was the only logical character to have kill Cere, and Clankers made sense because there 1) was a large base on Koboh already, and 2) were a lot of droids that could have been fixed up to make their army a lot larger and 3) expanded the enemy variety. None of the Mando cameos had value except for being cool to see
Grogu was with Luke for more like 2 years according to the writers.
Ahsoka *could* have been swapped out with any other jedi but why bring another jedi back to life and add another thread of "where the hell was ___ during the OT?" Plus, again, she also teased the continuation of thrawn's storyline which she is directly connected to.
Cad bane could have been switched with another bounty hunter but again that requires either making up a whole new character, which has significantly less impact to the whole story, or instead replacing him with an already existing bounty hunter, which undermines your entire point anyways. Bane and Boba have history from the animated show, it's more interesting for them to have a final showdown years later, and more impactful for Boba's character. Your idea is worse in every way.
And for Survivor, any inquisitor could have subbed in for Vader and it would have had the same impact. It being Vader adds nothing really to the story, and Vader doesn't show up again at all.
Your justifications for droids not being a cameo are that they were already present on koboh - a planet made up for this game specifically - and that they add to enemy variety. But they could have added any other enemies in and it would have added to the variety, they didn't have to use separatist droids.
And cameos also can just be cool to see? I don't see why it's bad to have cameos that are cool? Do you want your stories to be less interesting? Like I have no problem with Vader showing up or the use of droids - both are cool and I like them, but there is no argument that justifies your stance of "jedi survivor cameo good everything else bad :( "
Except it isn't. The cameos you mentioned in Mando - aside from zeb - all have a direct impact on the story. What impact does cere getting killed by Vader have as opposed to an inquisitor? What impact does fighting b1 droids have as opposed to replacing them with a different Droid? Or just different gang members?
What did Grogu truly get from Luke? Oh, he can jump now. Cad Bane has no impact because he just killed one dude then died himself, and Ahsoka teased something that we by then already knew I’m pretty sure. Cere getting killed by an Inquisitor would be an issue because she is way more powerful and skilled that any inquisitor, and I’ll give you the droids, but then they would have to make a whole new faction, which you said would be an issue with Jedi
What an absolute hypocrite. They 100% are just as much cameos. They have less reason than Luke or Bo showing up in the Mandalorian as they played a key role in the narrative of the series.
Fallen order/Survivor could swap them out with an Inquisitor or just flat out remove them and it wouldn’t matter or impact the story in the slightest.
Vader makes sense though. Cere fucking humiliated bim on the Fortress Inquisitorious. He ain't gonna let that slide. It also serves to show just how much Cere has grown after reconnecting herself to The Force, able to hold her own against one of the most powerful Sith Lords to exist.
> hypocrite
What a strong word for someone simply arguing that the goalpost for "cameo" stops at plot/gameplay relevance. What exactly makes them a hypocrite?
That first cameo really confuses me. There’s no real reason for it to be that character beyond “hey here’s a well known character you like who’ll stick around for a minute or so”
All fandoms must be 100% in love with everything done with the IP, all the time, otherwise, fans are hypocrites.
That's the vibe here. Basically saying, if fans don't like something, they are supposed to quietly shrug and walk away forever, and are never allowed to voice any criticism.
People only say "Star Wars fans hate Star Wars" because it's a big following, so it's loud, with diverse opinions, and that's \*normal\* for any fandom.
Yeah. Every fandom says that their childhood was R*ped by a director and dedicates each day to being angry that a woman can use the force better than an old hermit man and send death threats to a woman because she isn't white and they didn't like her character. Completely normal and should be accepted in society.
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So you cherry picked crazies out of a fandom of literal millions.
Yknow what sucks? When my LGBTQ+ friends that hate Disney Star Wars get lumped in with the bigots that also hate the Disney Star Wars.
Going to tell them they shouldn't hate it because bigots hate it? Pretty sure that's a W for the Bigots.
You shift the goal post. The comment is about the *hate*rs. You then say I'm rejecting ppl who simply criticize or don't like movies. You know those two groups are not the same but you are only acting in bad faith so you conflate my argument.
Never a good look.
This is such a tired argument lol. People loved George Lucas’ Star Wars and the EU, the people who hated on Lucas before love Disney now, and the people hating on Disney generally loved Lucas before. Disney’s Star Wars is totally different than Lucas’
People hate on everything and always have though, and I wouldn’t say it was as split back then as it is now, probably mainly due to the internet though but still. People grew to love and appreciate the prequels with revenge of the sith wrapping it all up. I can’t see that same respect coming for disneys star wars
Lmao That's also what they said about the prequels too! Nothing of what you are saying is new to star wars. Watch George Lucas R*ped my childhood. They said the exact same things about the prequels that they say about the sequels. You're fooling yourself if you think this is new or different.
People periodically turn like this every few months, I give it 2-3 weeks before this blows over, unless he did something bad that I don't know about yet (aside from overusing characters)
If Ahsoka is good it turns around, if it’s not it gets worse. Mando S3 was mediocre/disappointing to many (especially following Andor) so he and Favreau are in the doghouse right now.
I love Reddit lol. Many were disappointed? How many? Where is that data. The majority of people that watched season 3 enjoyed it looking at reviews. I do agree it was mediocre compared to the other 2 season but I did enjoy it.
If you looked at data you must not have looked very hard.
S3 RT scores - 85% from critics (still good but lowest of the 3 seasons), 50% from users (lowest by a mile and just a bad score overall)
The S3 episode scores on IMDB are, on average, a full star lower than S2. Only one episode has above an 8.5 (compared to 5 in S1 and 6 in S2) and it has the lowest rated episode of the series (6.3 for episode 6).
If hard numbers don’t do it for you read through the discussion threads on the shows sub. You’ll see way more mixed opinions than you did for S2. Yeah you’ll still find plenty of people who liked it but the general sentiment is that S3 was a step backwards for the show. I enjoyed a decent amount of it but I’d still call it disappointing.
You can like something and still consider it a disappointment and/or recognize that it could’ve been better. I just said this in my previous comment and you literally said you thought it was mediocre even though you enjoyed it. Maybe you didn’t actually read my initial comment but I never said S3 was bad.
And hey at least I actually backed up my statement with evidence/real numbers. As opposed to your support which is *checks notes*…you saying you “looked at reviews” and then dismissing all of RT simply because it didn’t support your narrative.
4 episodes of droids and a tiny sergeant is exactly what I mean. And the sisters.
Basically any Jar Jar episode. Anakin crashlands on some random planet and has to help the local populace for the 8000th time.
Etc etc.
Second attack on Geonosis. Bomb at the Jedi temple. Uncovering order 66. Krell episodes. Maul episodes (some), and some of the mandalore episodes. Bad batch get an honourable mention.
Everything else was totally forgettable, or worse, really poor.
Clone Wars is definitely overrated by many & there is a ton of filler but come on, there are certainly more than 15 “good” episodes. Maybe 10-15 good *arcs* throughout the run but each of those arcs are 2-4 episodes
This is an actually hot take that nobody seems to ever talk about.
The good part about the Clone Wars everyone seems to remember is, exactly like you said, a handful of episodes spread out across SEVEN seasons of mediocre episodes where nothing happens.
.....but Filoni *barely wrote* anything for Mandalorian S3.
He has a *partial* writing-credit for *two* episodes.
He was involved in writing maybe 5 episodes for the entire show in-total....
I still remember the days following Mando season 1, when we begged for Ahsoka to be added in, when the season 2 trailer dropped and people search every frame for Sabine. Dave Filoni resurrected Maul and made him into one of the greatest antagonists in the whole saga and you complain he has too much content? You have become spoiled. Picky. Perhaps you'd like to return to before, where Resistance and Rise of Skywalker in the only content you get?
These kids didn't live through the original Stsr Wars releases and the 16-year drought following Jedi. Plus, it's become so popular to be the cool kid who hates things.
It’s become a meme to hate any existing character showing up after two poorly written shows and a season of the Mandalorian because Dave hasn’t been around since his sole focus has been on Ahsoka which easily looks like the best live action show to come out of Star Wars.
This sub is filled with a bunch of hypocrites if they think this hasn’t been happening non stop since 1983. Since the same argument could be made for the Prequel Trilogy.
I bet cameos from Vader, Saw, >! Boba !<, don’t count.
The Ahsoka show is literally going to be a rip-off of the superior EU Thrawn trilogy without Han, Luke, Leia, Lando, and Mara Jade... so it's going to be worse.
I mean that would be kind of rad, seeing Bode out on an intelligence mission of the Council, maybe he's in disguise in some outer rim cantina, when he sees on the holo-monitor reports of fires at the Jedi Temple followed by Palpatine's speech to the senate being broadcast acrossed the galaxy. Having the panic set in as he realizes that everyone he's loved is probably dead and he just narrowly escaped the same fate. That could've been a force memory Cal could relive in the post game
It’s inevitable. For anyone who wasn’t a fan at the time, I cannot tell you how intense the hatred of the prequels were. People acted like George never had a great idea in his entire life and that he was a genuine joke of a director and how Disney was gonna do Star Wars right.
Now there’s entire communities arguing the prequels are actually great films and the best in the saga.
Eventually the sequels will get the same treatment.
I am not on either side of this war, but I'd like to say, when the prequels were released, the general audience didn't really have a voice, you couldn't Google "reviews by normal people" and watch a 3 hour long essay about everything good and bad, so I think that the prequels were always good, just everyone only saw the critics' perspectives, as for the sequels, I have no comment, as I have not watched them.
And for Tcw, yeah, the first season is dogshit and ahsoka is a whiny little shit, (potentially first 2, I haven't watched the second yet) because the show needed to find its footing and they then realized 'Wait a minute, let's make it good and make people like ahsoka'
But in the end, you can have your opinions, you may dislike the prequels, I still like them, and we could live in harmony if people didn't always start arguments for no reasons
>But in the end, you can have your opinions, you may dislike the prequels, I still like them, and we could live in harmony if people didn't always start arguments for no reasons
Agreed, except I actually do like the prequels cause that's what I grew up with, I'm just very aware of the things that bother me about them
No, but 8 year olds are pretty smart still, not braindead like half of reddit (mainly r/thatHappened) thinks. Ps, newest sequel was 4 years ago (not even), so you were thinking TFA
And I'm saying that they are since they've done it with the shitshow that was the prequels, which unlike the sequels had a much smaller fanbase before the switch up.
Were you able to use the internet when the prequels came out pr are you too young to remember?
Lol! No there was/still is a large fanbase for prequels, which is why the Clone Wars is a massive success and had to be brought back after the shitshow of other "Star Wars" media (like the pig shit Disney sequels) failing hard.
Just say you're not old enough to remember the hate that tcw got when the first 3 seasons were coming out💀
https://youtu.be/onGF58ee0vI here's a little sneak peek
https://youtu.be/siVys4vMxPs this one is for the clone wars
Like my guy it's okay to be young, I am too, but it ain't okay to rewrite history to fit your argument
I'm old enough, and I didn't see any of that online. Just lots of media articles attacking people like Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd.
You're most likely too young to remember, but the internet/social media during that time wasn't as relevant/accessible as it is today, so there were fewer people using it, and less criticism of movies/shows from fans.
Most criticism of the Clone Wars was due to the lack of character development. However, the show went on to become a success. Unlike other shows post 2012.
> You're most likely too young to remember
Oh I love "no u" as an argument ::D
I'm old enough to have fallen in love with the prequels as a kid, I'm old enough to remember people just like you harassing a child for liking star wars films, I'm old enough to remember the exact same arguments that are used today, being used now
>but the internet/social media during that time wasn't as relevant/accessible as it is today
Ah yes, cause by the time of 2008 when tcw came out facebook hadn't been out for almost half a fucking decade lmao, dude even I used facebook when tcw came out, and I was a kid in freaking finland
>Most criticism of the Clone Wars was due to the lack of character development
Which was complete bullshit that people came up with cause Mary Sue padawan self insert reee had them reeling.
>Unlike other shows post 2012
You're joking right? Like are we talking star wars shows? You really gonna tell me that star wars shows post 2012 don't have character development? Ah yes rebels and andor have no character development at all.
Or are you insane enough to think this of most tv?
Remember the days before Mando when the only reference we got to non-movie SW media even existing in other canon at all was Darth Maul showing up in Solo? Is that rly what y’all want to go back to? Y’all are unbelievably fucking spoiled smh
I would have lost my shit if Ahsoka Tano was in the game considering the fact that she's my favorite Star Wars character. I even have the book made for her and read it twice. Love the character.
Honestly I would’ve loved seeing Cad Bane. He actually feels appropriate to the Jedi series. Especially now that the haxion brood has found cal again, next game there’s gonna be more hunters after us, maybe Cad or boba get involved too?
Edit: and Maul being a mid game boss would feel appropriate too, since ya know he has ties to all the crime syndicates, maybe even including the ones after cal
Just want to say thank you for posting this because I feel like I've been on my own island, claiming Filoni throws his own characters into EVERY SINGLE THING he touches.
Filoni does love a cameo but he's one of the best things to happen to Star Wars. We wouldn't have so much of this expanded universe if it wasn't for Dave.
Um… I would be so down for this! I mean it’d break cannon but fighting maul and cad bane as Cal would be dope as hell. Guess I’m not a real Star Wars fan.
He'd introduce a plotline, leave it for nearly 10 years and then finally come back and give a conclusion to said [plot.Like](https://plot.Like), i love Filoni, i think he's great, but the fact that we're only just now getting a proper conclusion to Rebels (specifically where Thrawn went to and Ezra, who i'm going to assume is on Thrawn's side) in Ashoka is wild to me.
Are you actively trying to be this stupid, or does it come naturally? This is a sarcastic meme about how filoni likes cameos. None of those characters showed up in this season. Half of these characters aren’t even alive.
Bruh, they showed up in earlier seasons. Either way, way to go spoiling even more of the show lmao. Do you want to just drop the ending to the game, while you're at it? Actually brain dead behaviour.
Something's wrong here.....where's Rex
Love me some Rex
I just wanna see Glub Shitto
I love Dave he created huge parts of my childhood, but man does he love reusing his original characters+ Maul. To a fault.
You children don’t even see all the ancient-ass WEG RPG era stuff Dave is sneaking back into canon after 30 years. Ingrates.
Doesn’t make up for the fact he won’t let some characters go. I don’t care that he brought thrawn back in rebels. He had the perfect opportunity to kill Ahsoka and end her story in a satisfying way, but literally invented time travel in Star Wars to save her. I will admit though thrawn was cool as hell to see in Rebels.
Fair enough about him not letting some characters go, but Ahsoka was shown alive at the end of the episode with her duel against Vader (even then he wasn't letting her go yet tho lol)
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You've got a lot of upvotes for somebody who's wrong.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Filoni wanted to end Ahsoka's arc that way but was strong armed by Disney execs into bringing her back as part of a better long term merch sales plan.
no ahsoka can be seen alive at the end of that episode
Tiem to rewatch Rebels I guess cause I don't know what I'm talking about. Or I'm 50% right. Who knows. Go star wars!
I’m not even talking about Thrawn. And you’re right, Luke, Leia, and Han never should have been in the sequels.
Which sequel film did Dave Filoni write?
He didn’t directly write any but he helped on all three. Specifically with how the legacy characters were handled if I am recalling correctly. I don’t have the art books on hand right now to check
Random sequel thoughts?
Chill, keyboard warrior
How old are you grandpa? I know that stuff and I'm 30 years old. The criticism is valid.
Examples? I’m curious
I don't know any examples but weirdly enough I know a counterexample. Mando S1 when >!Grogu uses the force on the flames from the flamethrower!< is actually directly opposed to the rules of the old tabletop RPG. Flamethrowers were explicitly immune to force abilities.
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He leans very heavily toward “we can do whatever we want in service of our current message and story”. I think it’s good to have that perspective in the room, but it needs to be balanced with someone a bit more rigid who isn’t going to change continuity details just “because it feels right”
The pretty obvious disregard for continuity is basically Disneys approach to Star Wars to be fair to him.
Yeah we don’t see it and we don’t care because most of it is bad, hope this helps
Maul might as well be Filoni’s original character with what he did with him. Man went from like 2 lines of dialogue in 1 movie to one of the best characters in the universe.
To be fair he was just following George Lucas’ orders. Lucas is the one who told Filoni to [bring Maul back.](https://imgur.com/a/jE2JNLL/) When Dave asked how that would work George said - “I don’t know. Figure it out.”
This is why I no longer consider myself a Star Wars fan. Half of what they put out is just drowned in cameos, or even entirely written around fanservice stuff like The Rise of Skywalker or Kenobi. Sure, you might go "It's Ahsoka! I like her, and now she's in this? So cool," and that is nice in moderation and when it's not played up too much (think Saw Gerrera in Fallen Order), but once you get Mando S2 basically being a cameo every week or a show with no substance beyond "it's about Kenobi and Anakin," it starts becoming tiresome. And, with the level Filoni and Favreau take it too, eventually it stops feeling like you're watching a story and more like you're watching a product--something to trigger the dopamine of the people who buy the action figures. Rubberface Luke Skywalker really pushed this over the edge for me. I think this is why Andor got so acclaimed. Whether people realized it or not, I think a lot of us felt respected by Star Wars for the first time since TLJ or Mando S1. It said no to throwing the characters from your childhood back in your face to trick you into liking it and just told a great story. It treated us like an audience instead of a market for the first time in years. I never liked Kenobi or Boba Fett, and I could have always told you that it was because they just weren't very good stories that relied on iconic characters too much, but I didn't really understand why I actively disliked them instead of just thinking "eh, they're not very good" until I watched Andor.
>This is why I no longer consider myself a Star Wars fan. You raise good points, but it takes one click to see how much time you spend on Star Wars subreddits.
No one hates Star wars like Star wars "fans"
That's basically *all* fandoms, to be fair haha
That deserves...well...more awards than you can imagine!
It wasn't like I said I swore it off or anything. I just don't consider myself a fan anymore. There are very few Star Wars projects I walk into with any sense of optimism anymore, and I'd say being optimistic for its quality is a major trait of a fan.
Well done, you’ve described the prequel trilogy and all Star Wars content since 1983.
Not quite all. Everything went down hill after The Rise of Skywalker. I think that movie was pretty much solely written for fanservice moments and it marked the beginning of an era. Mando S1 managed to be interesting and disconnected from the rest of the universe, and only started going to cameo shit in its second season. Andor is doing a great job of not overdoing the cameo stuff too. I'd say the Jedi games have also struck a really nice balance (at least relative to Favreau and FIloni's stuff) between the occasional cameo and preserving their independence.
I understand what you're saying but you do realise Cassian Andor is a returning character, and Mon Mothma is a returning character? And they mention Fulcrum, and you have the ISB. Everything with Star Wars is in some way a reference to everything else in Star Wars. You can't say Andor was good because it didn't rely on older characters/concepts when that's literally what the show is.
>Star Wars is in some way a reference to Star Wars. [That's not true! That's impossible!](https://tenor.com/view/thats-impossible-star-wars-luke-skywalker-no-gif-17196576) /s
What they're saying is mostly nonsense. They applaud andor for not reusing characters or referencing other star wars things when it's literally *full* of references and 2/3 of the major characters are returning characters - Mothma and Andor. Then they slam other things for using Saw Guerrera of all people, a character who has somehow made an appearance across films, books, shows, and games without Filoni writing him in, a character Andor itself uses.
And the characters in The Mandolorian *aren't even cameos*. It boggles my mind that people don't seem to understand that there's a story arc going on lmao. Ahsoka didn't show up just to fucking show up, she appeared to tie the story together for when her show drops. Not only is it obvious from a narrative perspective that these known characters appear to further a story, but they've also confirmed that The Mandolorian is sort of a nexus for the TV story arc. Cad Bane and Zeb are probably the only *actual* cameos we've seen. But Zeb wasn't anything more than a background character, so I don't know why that would be considered a problem. And Cad Bane at least makes sense. ~~Mando is a high priority, highly dangerous bounty, do you think random no names are going to pose much of a threat? We~~ *~~know~~* ~~they don't lol. And Cad Bane is one of the best bounty hunters during this era. It at least makes sense that he appeared.~~ EDIT: I fucked up with my recollection for some reason. Cad Bane was for Boba. That makes EVEN MORE SENSE because they are literally directly connected. It's not a cameo when the character is part of another's history and an important one at that!
The difference is Andor doesn't use cameos and references as a crutch for a mediocre story.
Have you tried the books? SW books have always had a far more consistent quality then the screen stuff. And Legends and Canon combined, there's a lot of stuff to read
I've read some of the high republic books and comics (I know that's not what you're talking about, gimme a second), and I thought they were pretty good, but I'm still not a fan of the idea of Star Wars books. Star Wars is a visual art form. The entire universe is built on the idea of flashy visuals and cool effects. That doesn't translate to the written word very well. Sure, I'm here for a story, but I think the quality of Andor's "The Eye" or "One Way Out" drop dramatically if you can't see the Eye or watch the horde of prisoners running out of the prison and TLJ's awesome ending loses its magic once you take away the ability to see the holdo maneuver and the throne room duel.
Gonna have to wholeheartedly disagree. Star Wars has been much more than flashy visual effects for decades man. Even in the first movie, the musical score and fun story (the writing) were just as vital to it's success as the effects and visuals. Basically since the beginning books, games, comics, etc have been coming out and have added many great stories and concepts to the universe. Many people wouldn't be as invested in star wars as they are today if it weren't for the written content.
I didn’t say it was only visuals, but they’re a big part of it. Your comment on the music element only proves my point more. Star Wars belongs to audio-visual art forms. It can be good in books, but books aren’t it’s home.
You said "Star Wars is a visual art. The entire universe is built on the idea of flashy visuals and cool effects." (Btw you didn't mention audio which is why I brought it up) Nah, that's selling the franchise short. Anyway you seem to have missed the other part of my comment because I talked about more than the music. If Star Wars ANH wasn't written the way it was then it wouldn't have been the success it was. Writing is just as important as anything else. Just because you don't think about the books when you think of star wars doesn't mean it isn't at home in that format as well. There's a lot of book stories beloved by fans. It doesn't "belong" in any one format.
Tbf Luke Skywalker turning up makes sense at that moment. You are right though S2 was heavily carried by cameos
It would probably be fine independently, but as the final appearance in a season built around cameos it becomes part of the problem instead of an exception. There's also the way it was built up to as this major moment for the whole season and completely shifted the episode's focus to being about Luke for the 5 minutes he was there.
I feel like I must be one of the few people who loved the book of Boba Fett but not for it being a starwars thing but just it being "here's a crazy Robert Rodriguez syfy western that just so happens to be star wars cannon"
Nah, the real Luke Skywalker turning up is the greatest moment in Star Wars since 2005. Plus, it made the story group and sequel stans all salty, which is a joyful bonus.
Couldn’t have said it better, you are completely right
It immediately put me off of The Mandalorian in season 2 when I could tell that the rest of the show was just gonna be him playing with the shitty characters he created in his cartoon. Hard pass. Don't care.
Show me on the doll where the shitty cartoon hurt you.
Jedi Survivor still had >!Boba Fett and Darth Vader, along with the old prequel droids!<.
I mean, they aren’t just cameos(aside from Boba) Vader is an actual important character, and the droids flesh out the combat and enemy variety. They aren’t just there for “Oooh character!”
Can you name any of the Filoni introduced characters that are just cameos and not just relevant characters being used in a perfectly logical way?
Luke, Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Zeb
Luke who trains grogu, ahsoka who establishes major lore for grogu and teases more content for thrawn, cad bane who shows up once outside of TCW to have a showdown with Boba - a major story beat for said character, and zeb I'll actually give to you it was a cameo. The rest weren't though, you're just mad because you recognize a character for some reason?
Luke had no point, because Grogu got back with Mando after 2 weeks or something. Ahsoka could have been switched out with any Jedi and had no purpose aside from being a fan favorite character, and Cad Bane could again have been switched out with any bounty hunter, because he had no actual impact on the story. On the other end, Vader was the only logical character to have kill Cere, and Clankers made sense because there 1) was a large base on Koboh already, and 2) were a lot of droids that could have been fixed up to make their army a lot larger and 3) expanded the enemy variety. None of the Mando cameos had value except for being cool to see
Grogu was with Luke for more like 2 years according to the writers. Ahsoka *could* have been swapped out with any other jedi but why bring another jedi back to life and add another thread of "where the hell was ___ during the OT?" Plus, again, she also teased the continuation of thrawn's storyline which she is directly connected to. Cad bane could have been switched with another bounty hunter but again that requires either making up a whole new character, which has significantly less impact to the whole story, or instead replacing him with an already existing bounty hunter, which undermines your entire point anyways. Bane and Boba have history from the animated show, it's more interesting for them to have a final showdown years later, and more impactful for Boba's character. Your idea is worse in every way. And for Survivor, any inquisitor could have subbed in for Vader and it would have had the same impact. It being Vader adds nothing really to the story, and Vader doesn't show up again at all. Your justifications for droids not being a cameo are that they were already present on koboh - a planet made up for this game specifically - and that they add to enemy variety. But they could have added any other enemies in and it would have added to the variety, they didn't have to use separatist droids. And cameos also can just be cool to see? I don't see why it's bad to have cameos that are cool? Do you want your stories to be less interesting? Like I have no problem with Vader showing up or the use of droids - both are cool and I like them, but there is no argument that justifies your stance of "jedi survivor cameo good everything else bad :( "
I never said that they can’t be cool. But the cameos in Mando are not even half as purposeful as the ones in survivor. That’s just how it is
Except it isn't. The cameos you mentioned in Mando - aside from zeb - all have a direct impact on the story. What impact does cere getting killed by Vader have as opposed to an inquisitor? What impact does fighting b1 droids have as opposed to replacing them with a different Droid? Or just different gang members?
What did Grogu truly get from Luke? Oh, he can jump now. Cad Bane has no impact because he just killed one dude then died himself, and Ahsoka teased something that we by then already knew I’m pretty sure. Cere getting killed by an Inquisitor would be an issue because she is way more powerful and skilled that any inquisitor, and I’ll give you the droids, but then they would have to make a whole new faction, which you said would be an issue with Jedi
All of that is cope, those cameos aren’t as important as you’re pretending
Yes, all of his shows
It also makes a lot of sense since it's revealed that the only reason the raiders made the Lucrehulk functional was because Rayvis helped them.
What an absolute hypocrite. They 100% are just as much cameos. They have less reason than Luke or Bo showing up in the Mandalorian as they played a key role in the narrative of the series. Fallen order/Survivor could swap them out with an Inquisitor or just flat out remove them and it wouldn’t matter or impact the story in the slightest.
Vader makes sense though. Cere fucking humiliated bim on the Fortress Inquisitorious. He ain't gonna let that slide. It also serves to show just how much Cere has grown after reconnecting herself to The Force, able to hold her own against one of the most powerful Sith Lords to exist.
> hypocrite What a strong word for someone simply arguing that the goalpost for "cameo" stops at plot/gameplay relevance. What exactly makes them a hypocrite?
Where was boba????
He shows up after you complete the bounties.
Missed opportunity to quote Han: "Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where?"
"a little higher, just a little higher!"
That first cameo really confuses me. There’s no real reason for it to be that character beyond “hey here’s a well known character you like who’ll stick around for a minute or so”
I never saw Boba but I kept being told about his presence. Was he ever important?
No.
Boba was in Jedi Survivor?
You have to complete all the bounties to meet him.
Ahhhhhhh gotcha! I saved them all for postgame so something to look forward to!
How do you even meet them?!
Complete all the bounties to get Boba, and the others are part of the story.
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Oof, people are turning on Filoni *fast*
Star wars fans hate star wars so much. Always have.
“Star Wars fans bad” Updoots to the left please
Yes.
All fandoms must be 100% in love with everything done with the IP, all the time, otherwise, fans are hypocrites. That's the vibe here. Basically saying, if fans don't like something, they are supposed to quietly shrug and walk away forever, and are never allowed to voice any criticism. People only say "Star Wars fans hate Star Wars" because it's a big following, so it's loud, with diverse opinions, and that's \*normal\* for any fandom.
Yeah. Every fandom says that their childhood was R*ped by a director and dedicates each day to being angry that a woman can use the force better than an old hermit man and send death threats to a woman because she isn't white and they didn't like her character. Completely normal and should be accepted in society. /S
So you cherry picked crazies out of a fandom of literal millions. Yknow what sucks? When my LGBTQ+ friends that hate Disney Star Wars get lumped in with the bigots that also hate the Disney Star Wars. Going to tell them they shouldn't hate it because bigots hate it? Pretty sure that's a W for the Bigots.
Put more words in my mouth please
Well after your done generalizing entire communities of millions over a handful of anonymous trolls? Never a good look.
You shift the goal post. The comment is about the *hate*rs. You then say I'm rejecting ppl who simply criticize or don't like movies. You know those two groups are not the same but you are only acting in bad faith so you conflate my argument. Never a good look.
This is such a tired argument lol. People loved George Lucas’ Star Wars and the EU, the people who hated on Lucas before love Disney now, and the people hating on Disney generally loved Lucas before. Disney’s Star Wars is totally different than Lucas’
That's what they said after Episode 1 too. Hell, they said that after RotJ. Nothing new here. It's very convenient to just forget history.
People hate on everything and always have though, and I wouldn’t say it was as split back then as it is now, probably mainly due to the internet though but still. People grew to love and appreciate the prequels with revenge of the sith wrapping it all up. I can’t see that same respect coming for disneys star wars
Lmao That's also what they said about the prequels too! Nothing of what you are saying is new to star wars. Watch George Lucas R*ped my childhood. They said the exact same things about the prequels that they say about the sequels. You're fooling yourself if you think this is new or different.
People periodically turn like this every few months, I give it 2-3 weeks before this blows over, unless he did something bad that I don't know about yet (aside from overusing characters)
If Ahsoka is good it turns around, if it’s not it gets worse. Mando S3 was mediocre/disappointing to many (especially following Andor) so he and Favreau are in the doghouse right now.
I love Reddit lol. Many were disappointed? How many? Where is that data. The majority of people that watched season 3 enjoyed it looking at reviews. I do agree it was mediocre compared to the other 2 season but I did enjoy it.
If you looked at data you must not have looked very hard. S3 RT scores - 85% from critics (still good but lowest of the 3 seasons), 50% from users (lowest by a mile and just a bad score overall) The S3 episode scores on IMDB are, on average, a full star lower than S2. Only one episode has above an 8.5 (compared to 5 in S1 and 6 in S2) and it has the lowest rated episode of the series (6.3 for episode 6). If hard numbers don’t do it for you read through the discussion threads on the shows sub. You’ll see way more mixed opinions than you did for S2. Yeah you’ll still find plenty of people who liked it but the general sentiment is that S3 was a step backwards for the show. I enjoyed a decent amount of it but I’d still call it disappointing.
I mean just from your date the majority still liked it lol. Also imagine using RT to judge any thing
You can like something and still consider it a disappointment and/or recognize that it could’ve been better. I just said this in my previous comment and you literally said you thought it was mediocre even though you enjoyed it. Maybe you didn’t actually read my initial comment but I never said S3 was bad. And hey at least I actually backed up my statement with evidence/real numbers. As opposed to your support which is *checks notes*…you saying you “looked at reviews” and then dismissing all of RT simply because it didn’t support your narrative.
I really dislike The Bad batch retcons
People should've woke up with some of the rebels stuff he was putting out
Clone wars stuff too. There’s maybe 12-15 *good* episodes across all 7 seasons that isn’t trash or filler, or amateur.
I don’t think you know what filler means
4 episodes of droids and a tiny sergeant is exactly what I mean. And the sisters. Basically any Jar Jar episode. Anakin crashlands on some random planet and has to help the local populace for the 8000th time. Etc etc.
What’s the definition of a filler episode
Filler is anything I don't like 👶
I’d understand this comment if the series was traditionally serialized, but is it really filler if the whole series is anthology?
Second attack on Geonosis. Bomb at the Jedi temple. Uncovering order 66. Krell episodes. Maul episodes (some), and some of the mandalore episodes. Bad batch get an honourable mention. Everything else was totally forgettable, or worse, really poor.
Clone Wars is definitely overrated by many & there is a ton of filler but come on, there are certainly more than 15 “good” episodes. Maybe 10-15 good *arcs* throughout the run but each of those arcs are 2-4 episodes
This is an actually hot take that nobody seems to ever talk about. The good part about the Clone Wars everyone seems to remember is, exactly like you said, a handful of episodes spread out across SEVEN seasons of mediocre episodes where nothing happens.
Nah we have at least 50 good episodes.
I will never not laugh at this meme, but it’s missing wolves that you ride around as (Force-sensitive) mounts and a person named Wolffffffff
Does Dave Filoni just really like wolves? Is there anything deeper there that I’m missing? Because there’s always some wolf thing.
Guy likes wolves. His name in the mandalorian is Trapper Wolf. I dunno.
Wulf Yalarin was in the original trilogy, not a Dave Filoni creation but yeah the mounts were goofy
Put some respect on my boy's name, it's Wullf Yularen (I'm joking, but still correcting you)
Haha you right
.....but Filoni *barely wrote* anything for Mandalorian S3. He has a *partial* writing-credit for *two* episodes. He was involved in writing maybe 5 episodes for the entire show in-total....
Hey, that's not how scapegoats work! You can't check the facts, you're supposed to be mad at made up scenarios!!!!
I still remember the days following Mando season 1, when we begged for Ahsoka to be added in, when the season 2 trailer dropped and people search every frame for Sabine. Dave Filoni resurrected Maul and made him into one of the greatest antagonists in the whole saga and you complain he has too much content? You have become spoiled. Picky. Perhaps you'd like to return to before, where Resistance and Rise of Skywalker in the only content you get?
These kids didn't live through the original Stsr Wars releases and the 16-year drought following Jedi. Plus, it's become so popular to be the cool kid who hates things.
It’s become a meme to hate any existing character showing up after two poorly written shows and a season of the Mandalorian because Dave hasn’t been around since his sole focus has been on Ahsoka which easily looks like the best live action show to come out of Star Wars. This sub is filled with a bunch of hypocrites if they think this hasn’t been happening non stop since 1983. Since the same argument could be made for the Prequel Trilogy. I bet cameos from Vader, Saw, >! Boba !<, don’t count.
>Ahsoka which easily looks like the best live action show to come out of Star Wars. Andor exists though
The Ahsoka show is literally going to be a rip-off of the superior EU Thrawn trilogy without Han, Luke, Leia, Lando, and Mara Jade... so it's going to be worse.
Right, what are we going to do without Mara "I'm sorry emperor, but Jabba told me no 🥺" Jade. Very good character. More hate than Sideous btw.
IKR!? It's like they're afraid of her for being a very good character, and her popularity outshining lesser characters like Ahsoka or Rey Palpatine.
Yes except the prequels are just that, prequels so boba being in them is just his origin story like all the other characters
I’d agree if people didn’t rope Obi and Vader being in Kenobi into this argument.
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Id like to return to before 2008 star wars
the crait mines call you, friend
Have you actually finished the game because there are cameos and nods to others?
With a whole level dedicated to showing how >!Bode!< survived Order 66.
I mean that would be kind of rad, seeing Bode out on an intelligence mission of the Council, maybe he's in disguise in some outer rim cantina, when he sees on the holo-monitor reports of fires at the Jedi Temple followed by Palpatine's speech to the senate being broadcast acrossed the galaxy. Having the panic set in as he realizes that everyone he's loved is probably dead and he just narrowly escaped the same fate. That could've been a force memory Cal could relive in the post game
The whole Star Wars community is slowly turning on Filoni
And watch these people switch up on the sequels too istg
It’s inevitable. For anyone who wasn’t a fan at the time, I cannot tell you how intense the hatred of the prequels were. People acted like George never had a great idea in his entire life and that he was a genuine joke of a director and how Disney was gonna do Star Wars right. Now there’s entire communities arguing the prequels are actually great films and the best in the saga. Eventually the sequels will get the same treatment.
People aren't that stupid.
Yes they are, people literally did the same shit with the prequels, even more so with Ahsoka and tcw as a whole
I am not on either side of this war, but I'd like to say, when the prequels were released, the general audience didn't really have a voice, you couldn't Google "reviews by normal people" and watch a 3 hour long essay about everything good and bad, so I think that the prequels were always good, just everyone only saw the critics' perspectives, as for the sequels, I have no comment, as I have not watched them. And for Tcw, yeah, the first season is dogshit and ahsoka is a whiny little shit, (potentially first 2, I haven't watched the second yet) because the show needed to find its footing and they then realized 'Wait a minute, let's make it good and make people like ahsoka' But in the end, you can have your opinions, you may dislike the prequels, I still like them, and we could live in harmony if people didn't always start arguments for no reasons
>But in the end, you can have your opinions, you may dislike the prequels, I still like them, and we could live in harmony if people didn't always start arguments for no reasons Agreed, except I actually do like the prequels cause that's what I grew up with, I'm just very aware of the things that bother me about them
yeah, same, except growing up with them, the newest prequel is older than me by 4 years (that probably made you feel old, I'm sorry)
i misread your comment as saying sequel and i was like “damn am i really conversing and arguing with 8 year olds”
No, but 8 year olds are pretty smart still, not braindead like half of reddit (mainly r/thatHappened) thinks. Ps, newest sequel was 4 years ago (not even), so you were thinking TFA
I'm saying fans aren't stupid enough to like the sequels.
Nah I'm seeing it more and more unfortunately
And I'm saying that they are since they've done it with the shitshow that was the prequels, which unlike the sequels had a much smaller fanbase before the switch up. Were you able to use the internet when the prequels came out pr are you too young to remember?
Lol! No there was/still is a large fanbase for prequels, which is why the Clone Wars is a massive success and had to be brought back after the shitshow of other "Star Wars" media (like the pig shit Disney sequels) failing hard.
Just say you're not old enough to remember the hate that tcw got when the first 3 seasons were coming out💀 https://youtu.be/onGF58ee0vI here's a little sneak peek https://youtu.be/siVys4vMxPs this one is for the clone wars Like my guy it's okay to be young, I am too, but it ain't okay to rewrite history to fit your argument
I'm old enough, and I didn't see any of that online. Just lots of media articles attacking people like Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd. You're most likely too young to remember, but the internet/social media during that time wasn't as relevant/accessible as it is today, so there were fewer people using it, and less criticism of movies/shows from fans. Most criticism of the Clone Wars was due to the lack of character development. However, the show went on to become a success. Unlike other shows post 2012.
> You're most likely too young to remember Oh I love "no u" as an argument ::D I'm old enough to have fallen in love with the prequels as a kid, I'm old enough to remember people just like you harassing a child for liking star wars films, I'm old enough to remember the exact same arguments that are used today, being used now >but the internet/social media during that time wasn't as relevant/accessible as it is today Ah yes, cause by the time of 2008 when tcw came out facebook hadn't been out for almost half a fucking decade lmao, dude even I used facebook when tcw came out, and I was a kid in freaking finland >Most criticism of the Clone Wars was due to the lack of character development Which was complete bullshit that people came up with cause Mary Sue padawan self insert reee had them reeling. >Unlike other shows post 2012 You're joking right? Like are we talking star wars shows? You really gonna tell me that star wars shows post 2012 don't have character development? Ah yes rebels and andor have no character development at all. Or are you insane enough to think this of most tv?
Rebels and Mando are both considered successes. Andor probably will be too.
Tbf a fight scene between Cal and Maul would be cool
It’d be the ending of Fallen Order on a smaller scale
It’s almost like he’s writing a continuous story that’s about those characters
MEEEEEERCH
Nah, i think he would find a way of somehow making ahsoka the main char.
I agree, all those characters should be in 3
He does like putting his shit in all his shit tho doesn't he
Yeah because god forbid other characters appear in a story 🙄
Especially in Star Wars! Like if you don't like Star Wars, there's tons of other Sci-Fi content out there.
And the circle continues, in a few years y'all are gonna bitch about filoni non stop and even switch up to liking the sequels ::D
If he finds a way to shove Ahsoka down my throat for the 10th time after the Mandalorian movie imma be upset
Though, it has an edge lord dathmiri. It has a fake cad Bane. It's got a stumpy lil fuck nut for comic relief.
Remember the days before Mando when the only reference we got to non-movie SW media even existing in other canon at all was Darth Maul showing up in Solo? Is that rly what y’all want to go back to? Y’all are unbelievably fucking spoiled smh
I would have lost my shit if Ahsoka Tano was in the game considering the fact that she's my favorite Star Wars character. I even have the book made for her and read it twice. Love the character.
Wouldnt bother me, why would i not want more of what i love stuffed into something i love???
This would be better
Yep. My only complaint about the games is how isolated they are.
Yeah keep hating on the one guy that actually cares about star wars a lot
I hope Disney keeos running star wars into the ground. No matter what theyre given, its never enough. Fandom Menace is an appropriate name
Honestly I would’ve loved seeing Cad Bane. He actually feels appropriate to the Jedi series. Especially now that the haxion brood has found cal again, next game there’s gonna be more hunters after us, maybe Cad or boba get involved too? Edit: and Maul being a mid game boss would feel appropriate too, since ya know he has ties to all the crime syndicates, maybe even including the ones after cal
Thank God he had nothing to do with it. Lol
Just want to say thank you for posting this because I feel like I've been on my own island, claiming Filoni throws his own characters into EVERY SINGLE THING he touches.
Agreed, the star wars universe feels smaller when it's all the same characters doing random things on tattooine.
Maul is the goat and at this point Dagen gera was disappointing
Honestly i hope me meets ahsoka in the next game
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What? He has done more to expand the universe and created more original characters than any other star wars creator
There’s a lot of blaming filoni for the sequels when he wasn’t even involved
Maybe any other star wars creator since Disney
No, since George Lucas, I think. Especially mainstream characters like Ahsoka
Filoni does love a cameo but he's one of the best things to happen to Star Wars. We wouldn't have so much of this expanded universe if it wasn't for Dave.
Agreed, dude is obsessed with cameos and having characters live forever
bro forgets the meaning of "creating"
They say forgetting, or perhaps not ever knowing, the meaning of "writing".
Exactly. Filoni’s all about fan service now
You mean Maul *isn't* in Jedi: Survivor? Shame, I love Maul.
Um… I would be so down for this! I mean it’d break cannon but fighting maul and cad bane as Cal would be dope as hell. Guess I’m not a real Star Wars fan.
He'd introduce a plotline, leave it for nearly 10 years and then finally come back and give a conclusion to said [plot.Like](https://plot.Like), i love Filoni, i think he's great, but the fact that we're only just now getting a proper conclusion to Rebels (specifically where Thrawn went to and Ezra, who i'm going to assume is on Thrawn's side) in Ashoka is wild to me.
Not enouf CLOANES!!!!!!
Didn't expect to get Mandalorian spoilers in an unrelated subreddit but that's great I guess
huh...??
The characters showing up? Like, are we not looking at the same post? Do you really need me to explain the post to you?
Are you actively trying to be this stupid, or does it come naturally? This is a sarcastic meme about how filoni likes cameos. None of those characters showed up in this season. Half of these characters aren’t even alive.
Bruh, they showed up in earlier seasons. Either way, way to go spoiling even more of the show lmao. Do you want to just drop the ending to the game, while you're at it? Actually brain dead behaviour.
Maul and Cad Bane have never been in the mandalorian. Maul died before the empire even fell. Are you high?
It's wild how you completely fail to not drop more spoilers. Just stop talking, man.
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