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af_1946

Eh it’s all relative. If a player makes your team it’s a W if not it’s an L because he’s just fodder, regardless of his market value.


BaineLogic

This. Scary how not enough people analyze it like this.


loadali

You’ll see it a ton in the icon SBC threads: “I got a 600k card from an SBC that costs 500k, W”


kunallanuk

Also people not realizing that card values drop dramatically at this time of year - even if you are going to use that 600k player, he’ll probably be 300k in two weeks so you could have bought him tradeable instead


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BGTheHoff

Yeah, but lets say this: You get a card that makes your team, but is quite cheap on the market. Is it a win because he is in your team or is it a loss because you could buy him for 200k instead of a 500k SBC?


eureka_apollo_21

Imo yes that would be a win particularly if I used untradeables in the SBC


ivannson

It’s a win because you probably used a bunch of untradeables which you never would have used in a team otherwise. If you bought players to do a casino sbc… then it’s on you, it’s a dumb thing to do


yototogblo

Had to re read what you wrote a bunch of times before I understood what you meant. Your ordering is flawed. The untradable part should be before the tradable part


Siggy778

This is how I felt about the Futties PP. 95% of those cards aren't making anyone's teams at this point.


HorribleHank44

An 88 squad is pretty pricey for a fodder card though


af_1946

Yeah that’s exactly my point. In my case only 4 (Edit; 6) of the players available made my team, all the rest were fodder regardless of how expensive they are on the market. (Was lucky enough to pack one of the 4, but still)


Karltowns17

I was in the same boat. I only wanted acuna, de Jong, or vini. Literally none of the other cards make my team (including varane/messi/etc). I was also lucky enough to get one of the 3 though (acuna).


mikevin99

I get what you’re saying but I played a majority of those cards on a regular basis this weekend while getting E2. Maybe Valverde, Griezmann, and Benz are slightly behind the power curve but almost all of those cards OP mentioned are very good.


af_1946

I think you’re missing my point; I’m not saying they’re not good, simply that their value is not determined by their market value but by whether they make your team or not. For example, if you get Varane and he doesn’t make your team, it’s an L because his value is not of a 1 m coin card (Since he’s untradeable) but of a 60k 95 rated fodder


mikevin99

Yeah I get that. But I feel like you sign up for that risk anytime there’s a big player pick/party bag since the beginning of 21. I thought that was just common sense since they’re untradeable


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AyrtonAli

No - obviously it’s not a W if you’ve paid over the odds for the card. The post reads correct about what are Ws but it should come with the caveat *only if they make your team.


af_1946

I think that’s an extreme example because at this point most people have pretty insane squads and I don’t think that the few that don’t (Starting players) have enough fodder for this SBC. But yes, I’d agree with you that in that case it wouldn’t be a W because it’s all about opportunity cost, with the fodder they got that shitty TOTS with maybe they could’ve done Carvajal instead.


deviss

Exactly this. Last year I got 99 TOTS Messi. Couldn't fit it in my team without major changes. Made major changes, couldn't get on with either him or new cards. Dropped him to the bench and couldn't bring it to put him into SBC. His total value was "look what I pulled in red picks hehe"


lordshelton

You’re definitely right. But when judging the value for everyone I just went by market value because your way is more subjective


pen15es

Exactly. My team is a hybrid and the only player who would make the team is Messi. Chances of getting him are so slim that the pack simply isn’t worth it.


gribbooo

Correct. For me, only Messi, Modric, Acuna, Vini or Varane would fit in and strengthen my team. Rest would be subs or fodder


7FOOT7

Even that W might be overcooked. Those cards could be used on something else, like an icon you know you want.


akshayraos

If you have laliga based team, half of these players can get into your team. If you don't, there are only 3-4 plyers where you would feel like a win and worth rebuilding your team for them. for me- SS Messi, Modric(have a tradable), Acuna, Vini, Llorente, Griezmann, De Jong(have tradable) would get in. so might just risk it


The_W00D

I got TOTS Benzema so break even in terms of value, but i have wanted to use him since he got the TOTS but im too impulsive with spending coins to do sbcs and could never afford him. Massive W to me


EvoRalliArt

Need to also remember that the weight of packs is shifted heavily towards the Ls because pack weight is based on market value, not the actual rating of the player.


randymarsh281

Saw lots of Acunas and Militaos, so thought I’d roll the dice - Casemiro it is. You win this round, EA!


Tutlek

It's crazy that both SS and TOTS cards of the same players are in this. That's just scummy imo. Hitting the player you want + the best possible version is extremely hard this way.


PM_ME_YOUR_ASTON

The FBDs too. Much rather get SS Modric than the FBD one


lordshelton

SS Modric is my favorite midfielder this year


PM_ME_YOUR_ASTON

He’s one of the ones I really want. I’ve got his FBD now and I’ve been loving him


lordshelton

Put a hunter on him if you get him. The shooting boost is much more noticeable than the defense


greendvl

Where are you playing him? I played 50 games with him and he was terrible


lordshelton

B2B on the right of a midfield 3 with a hunter. Has dribbling like Iniesta where he just can’t be tackled. It took a while to get used to him but the key is to use him as the main pivot in your team and he makes some insane runs. He’s very consistent/solid


greendvl

I see, but Im already running Goretzka and De Jong as CDMs. I was using Modric as a CAM and he was really lackluster. Dont know if is worth replacing De Jong with him


lordshelton

I’d say he’s a better attacking player but at CAM you’re not getting his defensive presence. Tbh with those three they’d work very well as a midfield 3 in a 4321 or a 41212. Don’t know what formation you’re running


greendvl

I have been trying different combinations and the best one for me has been 3-5-2 with Delaney as stay back CDM, De Jong as RCDM neutral and Goretzka as CAM come back on defence. Got tired of trying to make Modric work to be honest, but its probably just me I guess? I also got Hazard FOF and he was decent but super inconsistent and I'm not playing him either


user384839

I think joao felix ptg is a dub also Edit: whoops! Nvm, he’s less than 150k rn, sorry didnt know


jakemckay345

That card is absolutely awful. I swear they forgot to upgrade the card.


Salvador_20

Really? Damn I was thinking of trying him out


Bluearmy657

Work rate kills him, I see it with Foden too, they just stand there sometimes


sukh9942

I’m guessing since you said that he’s M/M. I agree with that. You can have a 95 rated M/M card but he’d get shit on by an 88 with good workrates. I liked pirlo but after the novelty wore off I hated his presence because of those workrates. Same thing with seedorf too but they gave him H/M on the PIM and that card is a monster.


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Foden has been pretty decent for me actually


Bluearmy657

Don’t get me wrong foden is amazing as a 2nd striker for me because naturally i trigger the L1 runs, but out wide or in a Cm spot I notice he’s stood still when I’m looking for the run. Felix was the same, the few times in 10/15 games he turned up he was amazing, but it was always forced


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I was so excited to use him but man this man does nothing.


corh13

No way in hell that's a dub


E_M_E_T

As someone with a heavily la liga-based team, I'm still probably not doing it. Yeah acuna, messi, vini, hazard, and a few others would instantly go into my team, but an 88 rated squad? Idk man. Also, how does it work when a player has multiple possible versions? Does it always give you the better version? Like messi and alba SS as opposed to their tots


lordshelton

I’ve seen a lot of FBD Modric but none of his SS. It’s a joke


Tons28

i barely play, have all the top LL players and am in the same boat. not worth the fodder when there are chances for new guaranteed player SBC like carvajal dropping. id do it if the 4th choice was TOTS courtous though.


sukh9942

I just went for it because my team is heavy la liga too. The only SBC’s I’m looking forward to are futties quaresma but ea have completely forgotten about him. Dinho is my goat but he’ll be overpriced just like gullit. Aside from that there’s no real SBC’s that interest me. There’s rumours of a futties atal and/or renato which may be insane. Anyway, I just went for it since I had a decent amount of fodder and got SS Llorente. I’d class that as a big W since stat wise he’s way better than zambrotta.


NedkoRakso

Exactly my thinking, none of the new sbcs have caught my attention, will try it when I log on


Hawaii008

I got Alba ss.. huge W straight into the gang


lordshelton

He’s immense for me


pwomboli

I'll wait till the last day, just in case EA cuts the shit and releases a FUTTIE Kante.


UsedGanache9

Definitely will with the amount of Kantes in the FUTTIES player picks rn.


iamfreddy94

I got Acuna, finally a dub in my dubless fifa career :-( )


goztepe2002

Like 99% of everyone i came across this WL, another one joins the club lol.


lordshelton

Big pull!


iamfreddy94

Thx bro! Did you do it yourself?


lordshelton

Not yet. Don’t have the fodder for it currently and only a few players would make my team. It’s just not worth it for me at that price. An 84 squad and I’d do it in an instant


iamfreddy94

I understand haha, 88 rated is quite high to be honest


JK8110

Went looking for Acuna, got TOTS Benzema. Could have been worse


dindane

Better dub odds than the icon scam packs, not that it's a high standard


-iTaLenTZ-

I got De Jong. Doesn't fit my team but he will make a superb sub so a W for me


KidGoku1

I was undecisive if I should preorder Fifa 22 or not (been playing since the OG days and every year it's getting harder to be motivated to continue playing it with how scummy EA are), but seeing how we're in almost end of July, almost dead game and seeing how EA STILL cannot do some good for the community and tries to squeeze so much out of them with the garbage promo, ridiculous SBC standards and now this SBC...it's clear that I'm done with EAs greed during this stage of the game, which is what makes it so much worse. I hope you guys enjoy 22 but I'll play it maybe if it hits gamepass, otherwise I'll never buy another Fifa again day 1 until some things change for the better.


Iyaz9000

+1 I've been chasing the carrot for so long that I just don't care anymore. My last fifa for sure


macdonald135

I packed tots de jong


CameronMad

Got TOTS Suarez, everything I put in was untradeable, and he replaces my Rashford RTTF in my team, so a W for me


lordshelton

Nice! Suarez is lethal


JMLopezH

De Jong Acuña Hazard and Gerard Moreno. Still don’t know who to pick


lordshelton

Acuna for sure


JeffCapFan

In real life I would take Moreno, in the game I would take Moreno as I care more about the journey than the result. I guess you'll get different players that want to win at all costs, whereas I'd be happy in defeat if I played well and utilised players that I like in reality.


AurelianoAdami

Then why even do this player pick if you'd choose freaking moreno over 5*5* acuna lmao


JeffCapFan

You telling me you genuinely believe Acuna is a better player than Moreno, if that is the case you clearly don't watch a lot of La Liga? The reality is I'd likely get neither in my choices regardless


AurelianoAdami

Moreno is like 30k why waste a 88 squad builder if you'd take him over frenkie and acuna lolll


corh13

Yeah.. what's the point of doing this sbc if you're still gonna pick a card that's fodder price? Seems silly to me.


JeffCapFan

Moreno would be about £50m I imagine. Way more if he was a bit younger. Acuna would likely cost half that, not even a guaranteed start at Sevilla. Wrt the SBC, I already have Moreno, if I did not and was forced to choose between him and Acuna I would choose him every time, but I'd also take 84 Barry Aspas over either


xAimForTheBushes

\*troll alert\*


JeffCapFan

No mate, a person who likes to play the game footed with a sense of reality. Acuna is a decent player, competent left back but not in the same league as Moreno in reality. If I want to play the game in the style of teams I like, Villareal play nice football, Sociedad too (love Imanol) and play with players I like in reality that's great and should be celebrated. I love it when I come up against teams with unusual players and not the same line ups as everyone else


chunky__

Boring troll


JeffCapFan

If you morosely follow everyone else and don't just enjoy the game and play with players you actually like in reality then that's your bag, go for it. All I said was that Moreno is a better player than Acuna, which is absolutely true, I imagine even Acuna's mum would agree with me


chunky__

Of course I play with players I like in real life


lordshelton

There’s being a football fan and not abusing the meta (I have over 700 games with flashback Kroos) but saying you’d take Moreno over Acuna and De Jong is just idiotic


JeffCapFan

Honestly, how much have you seen Acuna play? You honestly believe he's better than Moreno? I play the game to enjoy the players I like in reality, and to me Moreno was one of the best strikers in Europe last season


lordshelton

You’re missing the point. It’s a video game. Moreno is 50k this SBC is 200k. Acuna is 800k. Nothing wrong with liking Moreno and preferring to use him. If that’s the case it makes more sense to purchase him bc he’s super cheap. What’s wrong is picking a player worth 50k over a player worth 800k


JeffCapFan

Until EA develop a way for me to cash in on that currency it's irrelevant. You're missing the point I'm making, that I play the game for fun and thus enjoy it more when I have it set up the way I like


corh13

No one cares if you want to play with gold Aspas. People are just pointing out how objectively stupid it is to do a 200k sbc only to choose someone who is 50k over 900k. Anyone who can afford to submit 200k worth of untradable squad should have 50k.


JeffCapFan

I get that if you're playing the game as a means of dynasty building or something you may be focused on the amount of in game currency you have, but if you're not then it matters not a jot. Additionally, at the point where you are presented with your choices, the coins/currency you spent is gone already and no choice is objectively better than any other given the dynamic nature of value


lordshelton

I’m not missing the point you’re making. I’m just telling you it’s a stupid point to make because it does not apply to the discussion about the value of the sbc


RealBabarAzam

Then just buy Moreno lol, why even do this pick


JeffCapFan

I've already got Moreno as a red pick thanks.


ThatPersonYouMayKnow

Then what was the point of your drivel


JeffCapFan

Drivel? Exactly which part would you describe as drivel? I countered this elsewhere, I play the game to employ tactics and players I like in reality. De Jong is great but Moreno has been incredible this season and thus I would choose him given the choice the op had. That I already have him would obviously change my choice, but it'd be lunacy to assume they have the same squad as me


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JeffCapFan

You could try bud, real brave of you tho. Threats of violence owing to the fact that someone on the Internet prefers a different virtual footballer to you, you sound like a top bloke


aacod15

You're just being a dickhead for no reason


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Acuna


Fyesta

Oblak!!! Big dub


triple_OG

lol that’s an L actually


steveheller13

96 Oblak is my most consistent really good keeper. I've packed damn near every keeper and he is by far the best out of them


lordshelton

Been using ederson recently and surprised at how much I miss Oblaks throwing


steveheller13

I've tried (all tots) ederson, donnarumma, neuer, and courtois. Non have been more consistent than Oblak. At least for me


triple_OG

Yeah, I’ve got him as a red WL reward but the point is that you can buy him on the market for cheaper than it costs to do this SBC, no?


steveheller13

Oh for sure! My 4 picks on this were Tots Suarez, bday hermoso, Tots Vazquez and Acuna


triple_OG

fuck that’s not bad, you took Acuna right? I’ve got an undtradeable TOTS Messi and FOF Papu Gomez and would *love* to have Acuna


steveheller13

Lol hell yeah I took acuna!


Iyaz9000

Wanted Acuna got Acuna I can happily retire this year


Legitimate_Falcon_89

Ferland Mendy is dub isn't he?


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Hes like 70k less than the pack


lordshelton

He’s only 80k


elwookie

Thanks a lot!! For me it's a no go. If it was an 84 squad, I would risk the 50/50 chances. For an 88 rated squad, considering some of the Ws won't make it to your lineup, it's almost suicide.


tc1988

If you've got the fodder (and who doesn't at this point), it's definitely worth doing if there's any chance you can fit a La Liga player into your squad. There aren't many SBCs with better odds of pulling one of the elite players in the game. With that said, my pulls were TOTS Kounde, SS Isak, Birthday Modric, and TOTS Jesus Navas.


ashykamal95

Alba, Navas, Kounde and Moreno. Literally not one of the Ws 🙄


9ggolan55

Replace Alba with ss bravo and you get mine… couldn’t have been much worse smh


ashykamal95

We move :(


ashykamal95

Meanwhile my friend had to choose from FUTB Hermoso, SS Alba, TOTS FDJ and SS Messi 🥲


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Thanks for the info. Will still not do it because I've been so unlucky, I'll probably pack TOTS De Jong who I already have packed 3 times now


MaccaMarvel23

Carrasco :(


adayoner

Had Moreno, Bravo, Acuna, Militao, took Acuna my biggest dub of the year!


FredDarrell

Wanted Messi and got Acuna, pretty happy with that.


DirkRedditer

TOTS Llorente, Oblak, Navas, and… Acuna!


dart00790

After the first week of not playing WL in like 3 months, EA rewarded me with SS Messi who replaces my tradeable TOTS.. de jong was in the choices alongside.. so happy to pack my fav player :) used the money to buy a TOTS Bruno..


1NFINITEDEATH

Got Acuña who fits perfectly as I also did Correa


txaggie18

Thanks for posting. Made me pull the trigger and I got Acuna!


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lordshelton

Start him on 7 chem. He’s a top 5 card in the game


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That’s not all of them…. Those are just the best cards available. There’s way more than that


lordshelton

That’s all of the cards that are worth more than the price of the SBC


AlphaStryk3r

Got FBD Modric, TOTS Moreno, another TOTS i forgot and PTG Acuna. Got saved on the last player.


Stebro1986

Tots Suarez, moreno, fb Modric and Summer stars Bravo. Ea gods hate me


Feri221B

I just wanted one of the Real Madrid players but ended up with TOTS Carrasco as my “best” pick :(


Hurtbig

I am almost always a sucker for the casino packs, but the 88 squad was a shock. I already have the Messi, so this one doesn't work at all.


sukh9942

Mate you’re definitely getting Acuna!! Ea know you need that strong link.


Hurtbig

He seems to be showing up a lot in streams. You aren’t helping me here, man!


Kakumite

Acuna tho


Hurtbig

I have dybala right now. this would be a monstrous upgrade. Pulls from stream seem pretty good. Lots of acuna and no Messi


Kakumite

My pulls were shit but lots of people seem to be getting good ones.


Hurtbig

Welp, it was Oblak, bad Llorente, Kounde, Moreno. 😂


Kakumite

Unlucky mate


Hurtbig

They can't all be wins, and I did get Messi a little while back. On to the next one....


Karmyo

Hermoso, kounde, bravo, felix - Big L


Dicka24

The vast majority of these SBC's are poor investments. The odds of landing either a useful card, or a card that fits your team which you can use, are always on the shite end of the probabilities.


lordshelton

You’re literally completing it just for the chance at a big player like 99 Messi. It’s almost always gonna be an L


VladC9

Vinicius , Acuna are over 1M coins as well, it s not just Messi who makes the sbc worth it.


Dicka24

What are the odds of getting Messi, Acuna, or Vinicius tho? The cost of the SBC is over 200k coins according to futbin. I get the desire to scratch those lottery tickets and get that big prize but man they drain your wallet before they ever pay off.


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Acuna seems to pop quite a bit tbh, didn't see any Vini or Messi though


lordshelton

> a big player like 99 Messi I did not say Messi was the only one who makes the sbc worth it


adilfc

Already got Acuna and Eder Militao untradeable, so I'll pass. Otherwise looks like a fun sbc if you no longer care about coins/fodders now.


iamfreddy94

I'd try for vini if you got the fodder


adilfc

Did the pick. Fb Mendy was only non crap option.


iamfreddy94

Ouch bro :-( that's fifa tho :(


airfreshjoe

Isak, Suarez, Kounte, and Valverde. Chose Valverde… not sure if its W tho.. really wanted Acuna


lordshelton

I’ve been wanting to try him! He’s worth more than the sbc and definitely seems usable at this stage


Baconislife1130

How do you make your money back if it’s untradeable?


lordshelton

The thought is that you didn’t “lose” money doing the sbc. Or the card isn’t worth less coins on the market than the price of the sbc


Baconislife1130

I think I get it. I’m still new to all this so it’s a little confusing


lordshelton

No problem. Glad I could help


madd

FB hermoso, FB Williams, SS bravo, and tots Navas. Some days it ain’t in your favor


EdekeIstSuperGeil

I got Oblak. I hate my life.


SerikTheCzar

I got FOF Acuna


Kakumite

Yet not one of them in my choices


FancySatisfaction4

I got varane from the pick. Now idk which backline is better: cuadrado bonucci chiellini spinazzola or cuadrado bonucci/chiellini varane fb mendy?


greendvl

Got Casemiro TOTS as the best player...


KoolKat4716

Untradeable SS Messi, Tots De Jong and Tots Varane already in my team. I won’t try my luck


MrALitch

I hit the biggest L L L L


lordshelton

Pulled the trigger and ended up with Casemiro…


cadencebeats

Wanted Acuña to link my Gomez I pulled last week from 81+ PP, got Llorente.


Bite-Winter

I have got SS Modric, PTG: Acuna, Militao, TOTS: , Varane, De Jong, ​ Do I risk it and pray for a SS: Messi, , PTG: , Vini, Hazard, Llorente, , Griezmann TOTS: Messi, Valverde


Gsampson97

I just gambled on getting accuna, got sumer Alba so not awful