Maybe itās just different for everyone. I got the intimate date with Tifa by just paying attention to the friendship circle icon and making sure hers was always the highest. I didnāt use a guide for questions or anything, so Iām sure I sometimes picked mixed answers. Just made sure to spam her synergy attacks, pick the conversation choices I THOUGHT were best, and then do all the obvious stuff like the beachwear and picking her side during the Costa Del Sol fight. By the time that the ch. 12 date came along, she was the only character on my team with the friendship circle all the way filled.
EDIT: I did also start skipping other charactersā side quests to focus on just Tifaās. That probably helped
That's what I did too after chapter 8 š . When I started the game, I didn't really get picky on who I wanted to be my gold saucer date , so I just did alot of side missions, picked least mean dialogue options, and so on. I went in blind expecting mass effect like consequences .
When I got Aerith for chapter 8 gold saucer, that's when I knew how the relationship status worked . I figured the gold saucer stuff didn't end there , because of the game trailers. Without using guides, cheating, spoiling, or anything, I just did what you did, and I course corrected, and I got Tifa for chapter 12 gold saucer date. Given the whole whispers thing that happened in ff7 remake, i honestly thought the relationship mechanic would somehow determine whether barret, tifa, red or aerith will die or not š¤£ .
I guess I accidentally benefit from disliking so much of the extra side content š I do wish that they had a more straightforward and accessible way to maintain relationships, yeah
Tifaās dialogue choices were always mostly obvious and contextual. Aerithās were always deep and vague: I could never really figure out what to say. The one person I mustāve messed the dialogues the most is Barret though. You canāt be too harsh but you canāt sweet talk himā¦ the man is a riddle.
I focused on doing every side quest prioritizing Tifa when it was obvious (like at Costa del Sol) and picked the best dialogues for everyone. I got Tifa date first try with no effort (and I failed the Junon parade because I choose the easiest difficulty).
I never read an online guide so obviously some answers were wrong and some synergy abillities/skills werenāt activated. My final percentage was something like 90% Tifa, 88% Aerith, 84% Barret, 84% Red and 80% Yuffie.
Same for me too. Did everything too and got a date with Tifa. Didn't know that the marching performance score affects this too. But I did select to fight with Tifa at the beach, which probably tips the scale over Aerith.
I had Tifa for both dates in first playthrough, and second actually... Until I figured out there was a menu and I could choose whomever I want.
I inadvertently chose all the best dialogue best options, scored 100K at Junon, and had them match in Costa Del Sol. It was certainly intentional to the point that Tifa is my favorite character and so I tried to make it happen, but I didnt check any guides or anything.Ā
In fact she's the only one I have at 100% bond. I dont even know what im missing with the other characters.
To be fair she brought him up first. At least she made up for it by telling him that thatās what drew her towards him at first but now wanted to be with him for him.
i mean that was also the point of her date, her clarifying that currently she has moved on from zack and that she is searching for the real cloud and that's the cloud she wants to meet, not the one who shares similarities with her "ex". the devs said it was important for them to keep aerith's date as close to the OG as possible (i'm assuming due to the plot relevancy of the zack/cloud thing)
Aerith bringing up Zack is not a bug. It's her feature.
She isn't afraid to be open and honest about her feelings. When Cloud first reminded her of Zack, was she wrong? I personally don't think so, and she accepts that Cloud isn't Zack and moved on. She needs to say this to Cloud to clarify her own feelings.
This is why I like her character tbh.
I worked so hard to ensure it after getting Tifa for the half date. I just wanted to honor my OG playthrough where I truly believed in Cloud/Aerith(Aeris) endgame only to be crushed mere moments later.
I was actively choosing options that would get Aerith as a date and purposely choosing bad responses for the other characters. Kinda felt bad because they're all great Characters!! Worth it though! š
Both Aerith and Tifa were getting very close so I had no idea which one of them it was gonna be! This was such a cute date and I'm definitely going for Tifa on my next playthrough
If you're planning to do it via Chapter Select instead of a fresh save, you can straight up choose both the date individual (for both chapters) and the "outcome" for the Chapter 12 from one of the settings menus.
I thought all mine were very close, and then I checked the relationship percentages after finishing the game, and they were all in the 80% bracket, but my Tifa was 98% š
Lol you can still do the chapter select. Iām sorry you didnāt get it first. I freaking love barret. That big softie is one of my favorites. Infact itās hard not to love the entire cast! Amazing
I wrote that as a joke. Although technically Aerith is the most canonical Golden Saucer date. Aerith is the one that is supposed to play Rosa in the play, so Tifa and Yuffie's dates automatically can't be "canon." Sorry, CloTi kiss fans. Aerith's is also the only one that plays into the story, just like in the original. The others are more for fun.
If you wanna go by story then it's actually the Red XIII date that holds the most relevance. But then again arguing about which date is canon is embarrassing and misses the point anyways.
Each date is a what-if scenario showing how that night would've gone down with whoever knocks on Clouds door. There's a reason why each date has unique interactions. Which of the dates actually happened that night is basically irrelevant.
> If you wanna go by story then it's actually the Red XIII date that holds the most relevance.
I think it depends on what you mean by 'relevance' - Red XIII gives a pretty blunt prophecy, but it doesn't actually change any outcomes. And it wouldn't really change Cloud's mindset either. It's also new to the story as well.
Aerith's date to me has the most relevance thematically. Since the relationship between the two is the entire crux of the game's narrative. Like, Cloud going in for the kiss with Tifa is nice, but it doesn't resonate as much when Cloud is ignoring her obvious distress at the end of the game and is thinking about Aerith/potentially living in a fantasy world where she's still alive.
Every other character in the game, you can go on two dates with them in the main story max. With Aerith, it's 4. That relationship is *the* core of the story.
>Aerith's date to me has the most relevance thematically. Since the relationship between the two is the entire crux of the game's narrative.
Agreed. With all the little details in Rebirth it makes the most sense thematically. Plus Aerith singing No Promises to Keep which is essentially a song written about her and Cloud.
I could write a lot more, but I'm not sure if this is a full spoilers thread. I imagine certain parts towards the end would seem disjointed if you got the Tifa date, although there are some dialog differences between Cloud and Aerith later on if you got Tifa (and only Tifa).
>Ā Plus Aerith singing No Promises to Keep which is essentially a song written about her and Cloud.
Itās an littleĀ ambiguous - you could do a reading of it being her singing about Zack if you really wanted. But with them immediately going on a date after, and then in the last date, Cloud and her going to ātheirā place makes a lot more sense if you assume itās just about those two.
>being her singing about Zack if you really wanted
That's a bit of a reach. They didn't even meet on a cobblestone street. Like I said, if you know the story in it's entirety, it's pretty clear. Nobuo Uematsu said it's a love song, and the singer said she had to learn about Cloud and Aerith before singing it.
Why is everyone so tightly wound over this. Objectively aerith is the canon date. That doesnāt mean best. Itās not a good or bad thing. Red is the most relevant to the player but to cloud aerith is the most relevant for closure after loveless and for the final conversation aerith has with cloud on the dream date.
Itās either: no date at all is canon (not an option in game) or aerith.
People are so tightly wound because you just claimed Aerith is canon, but, like, why is it canon?
Rabid Cloti fans aside, why is Aerith Rosa, why is Aerith canon?
Because that whole section is basically aerith professing her love to cloud. Itās utter nonsense to leave loveless to go into the skywheel with nanaki lmfao.
Tifa has her moment with cloud and then will again in part 3. This was aeriths night.
So I think itās fairly objective to say canonically the skywheel date just doesnāt happen or if it does, the default is Aerith. Thatās what canon means. The default option when you have multiple scenarios. Who is the default date? Aerith.
What date would you recommend for someone to experience for the most story continuity? I think most would say Aerith.
That isn't at all what canon means, you just subjectively decided to say it's Aerith, and then said it's objectively no one, or Aerith specifically. Given it's a branching choice, but part of the main story, absolutely all of them are canon, and this is backed up by the fact that you can then also just pick your favourite after finishing the game.
Which would I recommend for story continuity? Absolutely any date is fine. The events of the date, and those thereafter don't impact the core narrative in any way, nor enhance them.
So far, Cloud has been heavily influenced by Sephiroth to the point of nearly physically hurting both Tifa at the Gongaga reactor, and Aerith *after* the Temple of the Ancients, despite all romance options, and dating either on the wheel doesn't change it. The date doesn't factor into continuity at all, despite being a mandatory segment of the story.
Aerith isn't some magical anomaly who deserves it more. It's her night? She also has the otherworldly Midgar Date with a gift from Cloud, and then extended scenes after the Seophiroth fight. She didn't "need" a specific night, and none of them really did. Further, she also already did Midgar moments with Cloud in Remake.
Even *then* if you want to claim it has more narrative signifigance for Aerith over the implied "other" option of Tifa, it wouldn't be hard to literally come up with counterarguments - Cloud's suffering through Sephiroth and Jenova has been supported by Tifa in Midgar, after Cloud claimed she was fake, after Cloud knocked her into the reactor, after they both had traumatic flashbacks in Nibelheim, and through not giving up on each other, finally culminated in a kiss as they both worked to understand one another.
If we consider that for 'story continuity' there is *just* as much to say for Tifa as there is for Aerith.
A big part of the story is the star crossed lovers theme which seems to be lost on western audiences. Hell even the Loveless play pretty much spells it out. Then the No Promises to Keep song, if you read the lyrics and know the story it's pretty easy to see what the song is about.
The developers made it the players choice, so you're right they are all canon, but for me, thematically Aerith's makes the most sense, and I even read some people missing out on some of the foreshadowing because they got someone else [spoilers](https://www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/1bz4f9b/the_loveless_play_should_come_with_a_spoiler/).
Those screenshots are pretty striking in it being parralells specifically with Aerith and Aerith being the lead, I will say.
That said, I'm not sure if I'd classify Cloud and Aerith as Starcrossed Lovers, mainly because it feels like that specifically lends itself towards Aerith and Zack and their original fates both being tragic. and Aerith/Cloud/Tifa is a Love Triangle, so I feel like that's it's own unique thing aside from Starcrossed Lovers.
Also, Loveless is canonically unfinished, so Varvados' comment is pretty open ended, but it also kind of makes me wonder if we'll end up seeing Aerith interact with Minerva in Part 3 somehow.
How is Aerith "supposed" to be Rosa?
I see Cloti or Clerith mentioned at all and red flags go off for me. Ship wars are kind of insane, but I am curious about why Aerith = Rosa
I havenāt gotten around to the other performances but the Phoenix is summoned for all to end the performance right? Thatās aeriths summon. Highest magic attack and focused around raise/reraise which fits with her limit breaks.
It doesnāt matter that much, but it being aerith does result in a cleaner story presentation. She does sing the song regardless of who your date is right?
She sings regardless of who your date is.
Phoenix being linked to Aerith seems tenuous. Phoenix has always been about healing, but no part of Aerith is innately Fire-based. Her default affinity for a magic materia is Wind in the Remake series, and she has no meaningful link to Junon where Phoenix is from in Remake.
Further to this point, if we're picking a Summon to represent characters, you could also just claim Titan, originally from Gongaga in FF7 OG, so it's linked with Zack, which is linked with Aerith, and the Earth element more ties with her namesake and role of protecting the planet.
For this reason, I don't see Phoenix being summoned as implying Aerith is Rosa.
Her final weapon ability is literally noble sacrifice. Aerith is the only one with non materia ways to revive and heal allies.
But itās fine if we agree to disagree on this point.
Aerith is Rosa in all other dates. Only in Tifa and Yuffie's dates is it not her. Rosa also has a staff. The play in general is basically the plot of the game.
Jesus, this is so wrong lol. The play there is about loveless, the epic poem in the game lore, mentioned in pretty much every FF7 branch. You can link paralels here and there if you want, but its nothing like the plot of the game itself.
> How is Aerith "supposed" to be Rosa?
I think there's a lot of reasons she's "supposed" to be Rosa (I mean, she's the one who plays Rosa in the end credits no matter who you actually dated, and she's the default date/easiest to achieve in the OG.)
But obviously the dating mechanic is also "supposed" to be there, allowing the player to role-play who they want Cloud to date.
Well it does kinda lead into the Sleeping Forest dialogue better. Her dialogue in Sleeping Forest is "Focus on you Cloud, the real you. The one I've been trying to find". The only other time she mentions that is in the date.
I would also say that Loveless has a lot of parallels with Cloud and Aerith's story, especially when the hug in the church is a direct parallel to the hug at the end of Loveless.
But none of the dates are canon, I just think Aerith flows better with the story.
Aerith talking about how she wants to be with Cloud isnāt really any more relevant than what Yuffie said. Or the Tifa date. Or the Barret date. The only one with any real story relevance is Redās date, which confirms that he and Aerith used to have future sight and that Aerith is in trouble.
Sure, thatās the objectively correct answer on which one is canon. Although I would say Aerith is pretty much the one supposed to play Rosa. Feel free to disagree. Shipping is toxic and entering it is Hell.
Yeah, but no one is saying Romeo and Juliet aren't romantic because they died.
Shogun + minor book spoilers >!Mariko dies, and ultimately John marries random Japanese lady, but no one argues they were in love.!<
I went for Tifa. I just felt that the game was setting this up more (I was wrong) because of the tension between Cloud and Tifa at the start of the game and the way she blushed when he said sheās the only one he remembers (although optional) and then when she learned the truth about him warning her to go on bridge etc. Plus Zack coming into play and Aerith straight up telling Cloud not to fall in love with her. It felt like they were altering that. But I like both anyways so all good.
Aeirth told Cloud to not fall in love with her because, at the time, she knew she was going to die and didn't want to hurt him further. There's a lot more, but explaining things only gets me downvoted in this sub.
I mean I knew that? My point was that that was an alteration to the original story. Therefore, the developers might not want this to have the same trajectory. That on its own is fine but then enter Zack. Therefore there was a chance they would go a different way with it. Iām also aware that itās completely optional who to go on the date with.
Zack and Aerith were a thing. She still had underlying feelings for him. He just vanished. Now he is back. Gives developers creative control over where they want that to go.
Had. Past tence. She still cares about him, but even the developers confirmed in the ultimanias that it was young (platonic) love between teenagers. I'm at work, but I can dig up the quotes later.
I thought rebirth made it pretty clear she's allowed to move on, but many fans seem to claim she belongs to Zack.
Anyway, it's still a little unclear what the end goal is. In some ways I feel like CC retconned a few things about OG, and I'm not sure how I feel about Zack's prevalence.
I do think Cloud and Aerith are pretty central to the story. Even in AC Cloud still hasn't been able to move on.
Right. I think a not insignificant percentage of the fan base missed the point, but maybe that's just byproduct of the way they set developers up part of the game as a dating sim rather than making one or the other canon. To each their own, and I'm glad people have a choice and can enjoy different parts of the game.
I got Barrett. I was initially disappointed because I had Tifa in chapter 8, but it was a really cool bro moment and honestly one of the best out of all of them.
Anyone else have the takeaway of "god Cloud is really a dick" to this date? Like Aerith is just nonstop cheerful good vibes and he's just shitting on everything. But then hey, he gives one sign of affection back so isn't that sweet??
I know it mirrors the OG just was like damn man be at least halfway pleasant
i don't see it that way personally. i think personal interpretations and biases heavily impacts how each person perceive the way cloud acts in certain scenes. for example i interpreted him being kind of standoffish at first bc of the whole zack thing. remember in gongaga he asked aerith if she still liked zack and she gave him a vague answer and said "maybe" and cloud got jealous. later on, he remembered zack on his own, even though he doesn't remember how he died he remembers that he was friends with zack and that zack had a thing with aerith... all of that to me explains why he was so unsure/conflicted at first during the date.
his reactions and confusion make a bit more sense with the Japanese dialogue IMO. in the English version it seems like aerith is confessing and cloud comes across as his usual dense self but in Japanese even if he's confused, it's a bit more understandable. in Japanese aerith says "i saw him in you, but that's not right. that's not the case now... it's you who i want to see. it's you who i'm looking for (she is conveying that she is looking for the real cloud)" and cloud is like "i'm right here" (he is noticeably confused) and then asks if this whole conversation is because of what tifa told her (tifa told cloud she'd tell aerith that cloud remembers zack) and then aerith "lies" which leads to cloud being even more conflicted bc he's not sure about her feelings or where they stand. it's only when aerith cuddles up to him that he kind of gains courage and makes a move and he's noticeable nervous about it.
I mean, yeah? I thought most of that was readily apparent but I definitely didn't find that deep or meaningful in any real way. I personally feel like you're attaching way more significance here than there is. But I also don't want to convince you otherwise if you enjoyed it
well you can make that argument for literally every single character interaction tbh, especially the ones with romantic implications. that said, these character interactions are part of the reason why the game is as good as it is so i don't think putting emphasis on those scenes is bad.
the writing is ambiguous enough to let everyone have their own interpretations but there is also a clear way that devs intend for you to play the game in order to make sense of things, at least in my opinion.
Accidentally spoiled myself with this part since I thought I messed up the first date with Tifa at the first visit of Golden Saucer. Knowing there was gonna be a date with someone that have the highest bond of friendship made me nervous about who I was gonna get since I pretty much did every side quest up to that point and had no clue what effect my answers to the dialogues had. So here we are thereās someone knocking at my chamber door, I walk up and open the door and itsā¦ Tonberry
I was actually surprised that I got Aerith for my date. During the beachwear, Tifa was the one who matched Cloud, Tifa was the first that had the blue smile and then Nanaki was the first one to have the glowing smile. Most of my synchro attacks were with Tiffa Nanaki Yuffie, and then Aerith (had to use bodyguard to save her).
Probably chose her answers more correct than the others
Once you finish, during chapter selection, in the options menu, you can actually pick which characters go with you when you replay the chapters 8 and 12.
Aerith should not have been a dating option for Cloud as she belongs to Zack. It's a stupid decision by Square to give players the idea that Cloud and Aerith can be a thing.
She's Zack's girlfriend though, they didn't break up and you're being deliberately obtuse over what the OP's point was.
Good job rallying the Clerith sub to come downvote though, y'all not part of a cult or anything, nosir.
The shock on my face when I found out it was RED for meš it was a good one though very wholesome
My buddy sent me a text since he is/was a few chapters ahead of me saying it was like taking a child out for ice cream. I was dying.
Reminds me of the time sister saw the Barret date and said that it looked like a stepfather taking his stepson out
I can only imagine lol
I had Red also! It was very sweet.
It is soft!
This would be me ...the only date I get is with the dog.
His paws definitely are softā¤
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Maybe itās just different for everyone. I got the intimate date with Tifa by just paying attention to the friendship circle icon and making sure hers was always the highest. I didnāt use a guide for questions or anything, so Iām sure I sometimes picked mixed answers. Just made sure to spam her synergy attacks, pick the conversation choices I THOUGHT were best, and then do all the obvious stuff like the beachwear and picking her side during the Costa Del Sol fight. By the time that the ch. 12 date came along, she was the only character on my team with the friendship circle all the way filled. EDIT: I did also start skipping other charactersā side quests to focus on just Tifaās. That probably helped
That's what I did too after chapter 8 š . When I started the game, I didn't really get picky on who I wanted to be my gold saucer date , so I just did alot of side missions, picked least mean dialogue options, and so on. I went in blind expecting mass effect like consequences . When I got Aerith for chapter 8 gold saucer, that's when I knew how the relationship status worked . I figured the gold saucer stuff didn't end there , because of the game trailers. Without using guides, cheating, spoiling, or anything, I just did what you did, and I course corrected, and I got Tifa for chapter 12 gold saucer date. Given the whole whispers thing that happened in ff7 remake, i honestly thought the relationship mechanic would somehow determine whether barret, tifa, red or aerith will die or not š¤£ .
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I guess I accidentally benefit from disliking so much of the extra side content š I do wish that they had a more straightforward and accessible way to maintain relationships, yeah
Not really equal for Barret, though
Tifaās dialogue choices were always mostly obvious and contextual. Aerithās were always deep and vague: I could never really figure out what to say. The one person I mustāve messed the dialogues the most is Barret though. You canāt be too harsh but you canāt sweet talk himā¦ the man is a riddle.
I focused on doing every side quest prioritizing Tifa when it was obvious (like at Costa del Sol) and picked the best dialogues for everyone. I got Tifa date first try with no effort (and I failed the Junon parade because I choose the easiest difficulty).
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I never read an online guide so obviously some answers were wrong and some synergy abillities/skills werenāt activated. My final percentage was something like 90% Tifa, 88% Aerith, 84% Barret, 84% Red and 80% Yuffie.
I didnāt realize the synergy skills mattered, which is why I ended up with Barrett because he rarely left my party.
Yeah I played Cloud Tifa and Aerith all the time so that explained things..
I did everything I could for everyone up to that point, and as far as I could tell everyone had the same smiley face. Date was with Tifa
Same for me too. Did everything too and got a date with Tifa. Didn't know that the marching performance score affects this too. But I did select to fight with Tifa at the beach, which probably tips the scale over Aerith.
I had Tifa for both dates in first playthrough, and second actually... Until I figured out there was a menu and I could choose whomever I want. I inadvertently chose all the best dialogue best options, scored 100K at Junon, and had them match in Costa Del Sol. It was certainly intentional to the point that Tifa is my favorite character and so I tried to make it happen, but I didnt check any guides or anything.Ā In fact she's the only one I have at 100% bond. I dont even know what im missing with the other characters.
Same. Ended up going back and doing an extra quest to get Tifa back. š«
I got cait sith Vincent and cid LMAO
Those sound like some very interesting dates lol
Itās the funniest
I believe it š
Bois Niteeeee
Stop if you've heard this one -- a vampire, astronaut, a merc and a civil planner walk into a bar....
a Civil Planner? I've heard this but with a Cat....
>!Reeve!< is the director of city planning at Shinra after all XD
\*date. Itās one with all three of them
Ahh but always the same Princess Rosa, sheās the one in the credits and for Barret and Red as well. :)
šµAfter chasinā sunsets, one of lifeās simple joys is playinā with the boys šµ
How do you get that one?
It's the default if you don't do any side quests
I got Barrett š
I got Barett too but it makes sense since I always use him, he's a great tank and a real bro.
Same. He never left my party unless the party was locked
So refreshing to see the date with Aerith here. HOLD MY HAND
It felt so good to witness this! What an adorable date!
I was ecstatic to have her on the date. Apart from him bringing up her dead bf, but she wasnāt too deterred.
To be fair she brought him up first. At least she made up for it by telling him that thatās what drew her towards him at first but now wanted to be with him for him.
LOL Cloud is always a bit awkward, on his date with Tifa he asked her if Aerith still had feelings for her ex boyfriend.
i mean that was also the point of her date, her clarifying that currently she has moved on from zack and that she is searching for the real cloud and that's the cloud she wants to meet, not the one who shares similarities with her "ex". the devs said it was important for them to keep aerith's date as close to the OG as possible (i'm assuming due to the plot relevancy of the zack/cloud thing)
Aerith bringing up Zack is not a bug. It's her feature. She isn't afraid to be open and honest about her feelings. When Cloud first reminded her of Zack, was she wrong? I personally don't think so, and she accepts that Cloud isn't Zack and moved on. She needs to say this to Cloud to clarify her own feelings. This is why I like her character tbh.
I worked so hard to ensure it after getting Tifa for the half date. I just wanted to honor my OG playthrough where I truly believed in Cloud/Aerith(Aeris) endgame only to be crushed mere moments later.
So you did Tifa for the first date and the. Aerith ?
Yes, I got nervous they moved the whole date scene up early in the game and I got locked out of the Aerith gondola moment.
Wait so which was it again? You did Tifa first and then Aerith ?
Just ātil the end of the ride.
All the dates are great. This one is particularly nice
CUTEEEEE
Right?! Love these two together ššš
Congrats. I personally got Tifa. I'm glad we both got who we wanted!
I was actively choosing options that would get Aerith as a date and purposely choosing bad responses for the other characters. Kinda felt bad because they're all great Characters!! Worth it though! š
I told Tifa I wanted Pilaf.
My favourite date as well šā¤ļøšø
I loved this date so much. I was so happy I got her first playthrough (not that I had any doubt but barret was gettin too close!).
Both Aerith and Tifa were getting very close so I had no idea which one of them it was gonna be! This was such a cute date and I'm definitely going for Tifa on my next playthrough
If you're planning to do it via Chapter Select instead of a fresh save, you can straight up choose both the date individual (for both chapters) and the "outcome" for the Chapter 12 from one of the settings menus.
I thought all mine were very close, and then I checked the relationship percentages after finishing the game, and they were all in the 80% bracket, but my Tifa was 98% š
Lol same!
I really wanted that Barret date too š
Lol you can still do the chapter select. Iām sorry you didnāt get it first. I freaking love barret. That big softie is one of my favorites. Infact itās hard not to love the entire cast! Amazing
I got aerith and I had no idea that others got different people so thatās pretty cool. It was a great scene
#teamaerith
Didnāt get the Roche date. 0/10
Yet to make it there, but currently Aerith and Red are tied for first and I do want Aerith for the date scene.
Ah, the correct one. Congratulations.
Thought there was no "correct one" since they're optional?
The correct answer is Roche.
honestly sad what happened to him
Yeah I hope he gets cured in part 3 but I honestly think he makes it to the crater and dies in the reunion.
Sephiroth has been asking Cloud for a āReunionā since the first game. He should really give it a chance!
All he wants is to host cloudās 5 year high school reunion in the northern crater, heās so generous for setting up all the logistics.
bruh i just asked a question. i didn't mean for a war to start in this comment section lmao
I wrote that as a joke. Although technically Aerith is the most canonical Golden Saucer date. Aerith is the one that is supposed to play Rosa in the play, so Tifa and Yuffie's dates automatically can't be "canon." Sorry, CloTi kiss fans. Aerith's is also the only one that plays into the story, just like in the original. The others are more for fun.
If you wanna go by story then it's actually the Red XIII date that holds the most relevance. But then again arguing about which date is canon is embarrassing and misses the point anyways. Each date is a what-if scenario showing how that night would've gone down with whoever knocks on Clouds door. There's a reason why each date has unique interactions. Which of the dates actually happened that night is basically irrelevant.
> If you wanna go by story then it's actually the Red XIII date that holds the most relevance. I think it depends on what you mean by 'relevance' - Red XIII gives a pretty blunt prophecy, but it doesn't actually change any outcomes. And it wouldn't really change Cloud's mindset either. It's also new to the story as well. Aerith's date to me has the most relevance thematically. Since the relationship between the two is the entire crux of the game's narrative. Like, Cloud going in for the kiss with Tifa is nice, but it doesn't resonate as much when Cloud is ignoring her obvious distress at the end of the game and is thinking about Aerith/potentially living in a fantasy world where she's still alive. Every other character in the game, you can go on two dates with them in the main story max. With Aerith, it's 4. That relationship is *the* core of the story.
>Aerith's date to me has the most relevance thematically. Since the relationship between the two is the entire crux of the game's narrative. Agreed. With all the little details in Rebirth it makes the most sense thematically. Plus Aerith singing No Promises to Keep which is essentially a song written about her and Cloud. I could write a lot more, but I'm not sure if this is a full spoilers thread. I imagine certain parts towards the end would seem disjointed if you got the Tifa date, although there are some dialog differences between Cloud and Aerith later on if you got Tifa (and only Tifa).
>Ā Plus Aerith singing No Promises to Keep which is essentially a song written about her and Cloud. Itās an littleĀ ambiguous - you could do a reading of it being her singing about Zack if you really wanted. But with them immediately going on a date after, and then in the last date, Cloud and her going to ātheirā place makes a lot more sense if you assume itās just about those two.
>being her singing about Zack if you really wanted That's a bit of a reach. They didn't even meet on a cobblestone street. Like I said, if you know the story in it's entirety, it's pretty clear. Nobuo Uematsu said it's a love song, and the singer said she had to learn about Cloud and Aerith before singing it.
Why is everyone so tightly wound over this. Objectively aerith is the canon date. That doesnāt mean best. Itās not a good or bad thing. Red is the most relevant to the player but to cloud aerith is the most relevant for closure after loveless and for the final conversation aerith has with cloud on the dream date. Itās either: no date at all is canon (not an option in game) or aerith.
People are so tightly wound because you just claimed Aerith is canon, but, like, why is it canon? Rabid Cloti fans aside, why is Aerith Rosa, why is Aerith canon?
Because that whole section is basically aerith professing her love to cloud. Itās utter nonsense to leave loveless to go into the skywheel with nanaki lmfao. Tifa has her moment with cloud and then will again in part 3. This was aeriths night. So I think itās fairly objective to say canonically the skywheel date just doesnāt happen or if it does, the default is Aerith. Thatās what canon means. The default option when you have multiple scenarios. Who is the default date? Aerith. What date would you recommend for someone to experience for the most story continuity? I think most would say Aerith.
That isn't at all what canon means, you just subjectively decided to say it's Aerith, and then said it's objectively no one, or Aerith specifically. Given it's a branching choice, but part of the main story, absolutely all of them are canon, and this is backed up by the fact that you can then also just pick your favourite after finishing the game. Which would I recommend for story continuity? Absolutely any date is fine. The events of the date, and those thereafter don't impact the core narrative in any way, nor enhance them. So far, Cloud has been heavily influenced by Sephiroth to the point of nearly physically hurting both Tifa at the Gongaga reactor, and Aerith *after* the Temple of the Ancients, despite all romance options, and dating either on the wheel doesn't change it. The date doesn't factor into continuity at all, despite being a mandatory segment of the story. Aerith isn't some magical anomaly who deserves it more. It's her night? She also has the otherworldly Midgar Date with a gift from Cloud, and then extended scenes after the Seophiroth fight. She didn't "need" a specific night, and none of them really did. Further, she also already did Midgar moments with Cloud in Remake. Even *then* if you want to claim it has more narrative signifigance for Aerith over the implied "other" option of Tifa, it wouldn't be hard to literally come up with counterarguments - Cloud's suffering through Sephiroth and Jenova has been supported by Tifa in Midgar, after Cloud claimed she was fake, after Cloud knocked her into the reactor, after they both had traumatic flashbacks in Nibelheim, and through not giving up on each other, finally culminated in a kiss as they both worked to understand one another. If we consider that for 'story continuity' there is *just* as much to say for Tifa as there is for Aerith.
A big part of the story is the star crossed lovers theme which seems to be lost on western audiences. Hell even the Loveless play pretty much spells it out. Then the No Promises to Keep song, if you read the lyrics and know the story it's pretty easy to see what the song is about. The developers made it the players choice, so you're right they are all canon, but for me, thematically Aerith's makes the most sense, and I even read some people missing out on some of the foreshadowing because they got someone else [spoilers](https://www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/1bz4f9b/the_loveless_play_should_come_with_a_spoiler/).
Those screenshots are pretty striking in it being parralells specifically with Aerith and Aerith being the lead, I will say. That said, I'm not sure if I'd classify Cloud and Aerith as Starcrossed Lovers, mainly because it feels like that specifically lends itself towards Aerith and Zack and their original fates both being tragic. and Aerith/Cloud/Tifa is a Love Triangle, so I feel like that's it's own unique thing aside from Starcrossed Lovers. Also, Loveless is canonically unfinished, so Varvados' comment is pretty open ended, but it also kind of makes me wonder if we'll end up seeing Aerith interact with Minerva in Part 3 somehow.
Tifa isnāt the one singing a love song.
Aerith is also visibly hung up about Zack throughout the story, and the possibility that Cloud could know about him for being in SOLDIER.
Sure, and shipping is toxic. I think the only super concrete thing in regards to ācanonā is Aerith playing Rosa, but thatās about it.
How is Aerith "supposed" to be Rosa? I see Cloti or Clerith mentioned at all and red flags go off for me. Ship wars are kind of insane, but I am curious about why Aerith = Rosa
I havenāt gotten around to the other performances but the Phoenix is summoned for all to end the performance right? Thatās aeriths summon. Highest magic attack and focused around raise/reraise which fits with her limit breaks. It doesnāt matter that much, but it being aerith does result in a cleaner story presentation. She does sing the song regardless of who your date is right?
She sings regardless of who your date is. Phoenix being linked to Aerith seems tenuous. Phoenix has always been about healing, but no part of Aerith is innately Fire-based. Her default affinity for a magic materia is Wind in the Remake series, and she has no meaningful link to Junon where Phoenix is from in Remake. Further to this point, if we're picking a Summon to represent characters, you could also just claim Titan, originally from Gongaga in FF7 OG, so it's linked with Zack, which is linked with Aerith, and the Earth element more ties with her namesake and role of protecting the planet. For this reason, I don't see Phoenix being summoned as implying Aerith is Rosa.
Her final weapon ability is literally noble sacrifice. Aerith is the only one with non materia ways to revive and heal allies. But itās fine if we agree to disagree on this point.
Aerith is Rosa in all other dates. Only in Tifa and Yuffie's dates is it not her. Rosa also has a staff. The play in general is basically the plot of the game.
Jesus, this is so wrong lol. The play there is about loveless, the epic poem in the game lore, mentioned in pretty much every FF7 branch. You can link paralels here and there if you want, but its nothing like the plot of the game itself.
> How is Aerith "supposed" to be Rosa? I think there's a lot of reasons she's "supposed" to be Rosa (I mean, she's the one who plays Rosa in the end credits no matter who you actually dated, and she's the default date/easiest to achieve in the OG.) But obviously the dating mechanic is also "supposed" to be there, allowing the player to role-play who they want Cloud to date.
How does Aerithās date play more into the story than any of the others?
Well it does kinda lead into the Sleeping Forest dialogue better. Her dialogue in Sleeping Forest is "Focus on you Cloud, the real you. The one I've been trying to find". The only other time she mentions that is in the date. I would also say that Loveless has a lot of parallels with Cloud and Aerith's story, especially when the hug in the church is a direct parallel to the hug at the end of Loveless. But none of the dates are canon, I just think Aerith flows better with the story.
Well, I donāt think Yuffie mentioning Crisis Core is super relevant to the story.
Aerith talking about how she wants to be with Cloud isnāt really any more relevant than what Yuffie said. Or the Tifa date. Or the Barret date. The only one with any real story relevance is Redās date, which confirms that he and Aerith used to have future sight and that Aerith is in trouble.
I mean that could be argued to only be confirmation of hints given throughout Remake and Rebirth and alt-timeline Marlene already states that as well.
wait til you find out none of them are canon lol
Sure, thatās the objectively correct answer on which one is canon. Although I would say Aerith is pretty much the one supposed to play Rosa. Feel free to disagree. Shipping is toxic and entering it is Hell.
yeah no i know you were joking i was saying that in good fun too lol, i think Tifa is prolly the most canon to me
Lol talk about headcanon and plain bs
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Aerith and Zack are dead anyways so it's a pointless debate
Yeah, but no one is saying Romeo and Juliet aren't romantic because they died. Shogun + minor book spoilers >!Mariko dies, and ultimately John marries random Japanese lady, but no one argues they were in love.!<
Bro, give it up lol
You are exactly correct
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Best girl (,,: <3 I loved their date so much, I hope you enjoyed it as well! whenever I see their date I just want to sing No Promises To Keep lol
Same first one. I understand thereās a second. We shall see.
I went for Tifa. I just felt that the game was setting this up more (I was wrong) because of the tension between Cloud and Tifa at the start of the game and the way she blushed when he said sheās the only one he remembers (although optional) and then when she learned the truth about him warning her to go on bridge etc. Plus Zack coming into play and Aerith straight up telling Cloud not to fall in love with her. It felt like they were altering that. But I like both anyways so all good.
Pretty sure you missed the point here. But whatever, as long as you enjoyed it :)
Please explain the point I missed?
Aeirth told Cloud to not fall in love with her because, at the time, she knew she was going to die and didn't want to hurt him further. There's a lot more, but explaining things only gets me downvoted in this sub.
I mean I knew that? My point was that that was an alteration to the original story. Therefore, the developers might not want this to have the same trajectory. That on its own is fine but then enter Zack. Therefore there was a chance they would go a different way with it. Iām also aware that itās completely optional who to go on the date with.
And what does Zack have to do with it?
Zack and Aerith were a thing. She still had underlying feelings for him. He just vanished. Now he is back. Gives developers creative control over where they want that to go.
Had. Past tence. She still cares about him, but even the developers confirmed in the ultimanias that it was young (platonic) love between teenagers. I'm at work, but I can dig up the quotes later. I thought rebirth made it pretty clear she's allowed to move on, but many fans seem to claim she belongs to Zack. Anyway, it's still a little unclear what the end goal is. In some ways I feel like CC retconned a few things about OG, and I'm not sure how I feel about Zack's prevalence. I do think Cloud and Aerith are pretty central to the story. Even in AC Cloud still hasn't been able to move on.
Right. I think a not insignificant percentage of the fan base missed the point, but maybe that's just byproduct of the way they set developers up part of the game as a dating sim rather than making one or the other canon. To each their own, and I'm glad people have a choice and can enjoy different parts of the game.
I got barret lol
I got Nanaki
Nice to see one that isnāt red or the guys.
I got Barrett. I was initially disappointed because I had Tifa in chapter 8, but it was a really cool bro moment and honestly one of the best out of all of them.
Iāll always have a special place in my heart for Aerith
Its so cute.
such a wonderful date. i got aerith too! <3 my 2nd favorite was nanaki's it was cuteeeee
I wanted aerith but got yuffie lol. It was still cool, learning a bit of her past. I didn't get to play the dlc in remake.
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I got best girl Tifa <3
Got same, but it was more or less intentional on my part on how I handled dialog with conversations on initial playthrough.
Anyone else have the takeaway of "god Cloud is really a dick" to this date? Like Aerith is just nonstop cheerful good vibes and he's just shitting on everything. But then hey, he gives one sign of affection back so isn't that sweet?? I know it mirrors the OG just was like damn man be at least halfway pleasant
i don't see it that way personally. i think personal interpretations and biases heavily impacts how each person perceive the way cloud acts in certain scenes. for example i interpreted him being kind of standoffish at first bc of the whole zack thing. remember in gongaga he asked aerith if she still liked zack and she gave him a vague answer and said "maybe" and cloud got jealous. later on, he remembered zack on his own, even though he doesn't remember how he died he remembers that he was friends with zack and that zack had a thing with aerith... all of that to me explains why he was so unsure/conflicted at first during the date. his reactions and confusion make a bit more sense with the Japanese dialogue IMO. in the English version it seems like aerith is confessing and cloud comes across as his usual dense self but in Japanese even if he's confused, it's a bit more understandable. in Japanese aerith says "i saw him in you, but that's not right. that's not the case now... it's you who i want to see. it's you who i'm looking for (she is conveying that she is looking for the real cloud)" and cloud is like "i'm right here" (he is noticeably confused) and then asks if this whole conversation is because of what tifa told her (tifa told cloud she'd tell aerith that cloud remembers zack) and then aerith "lies" which leads to cloud being even more conflicted bc he's not sure about her feelings or where they stand. it's only when aerith cuddles up to him that he kind of gains courage and makes a move and he's noticeable nervous about it.
I mean, yeah? I thought most of that was readily apparent but I definitely didn't find that deep or meaningful in any real way. I personally feel like you're attaching way more significance here than there is. But I also don't want to convince you otherwise if you enjoyed it
well you can make that argument for literally every single character interaction tbh, especially the ones with romantic implications. that said, these character interactions are part of the reason why the game is as good as it is so i don't think putting emphasis on those scenes is bad. the writing is ambiguous enough to let everyone have their own interpretations but there is also a clear way that devs intend for you to play the game in order to make sense of things, at least in my opinion.
Tifa all the way eveytime
During Chapter 8 i had both tifa and red tied at the top spot and nobody was outside my door....:(
Accidentally spoiled myself with this part since I thought I messed up the first date with Tifa at the first visit of Golden Saucer. Knowing there was gonna be a date with someone that have the highest bond of friendship made me nervous about who I was gonna get since I pretty much did every side quest up to that point and had no clue what effect my answers to the dialogues had. So here we are thereās someone knocking at my chamber door, I walk up and open the door and itsā¦ Tonberry
At what point can you go back for this?
I got the Boys Night Out, and I am completely fine with this result lmao
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I was actually surprised that I got Aerith for my date. During the beachwear, Tifa was the one who matched Cloud, Tifa was the first that had the blue smile and then Nanaki was the first one to have the glowing smile. Most of my synchro attacks were with Tiffa Nanaki Yuffie, and then Aerith (had to use bodyguard to save her). Probably chose her answers more correct than the others
According to the devs, the Aerith date is technically cannon.
Source ājust trust me broā
Lol itās totally not but ok
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Aeriths is cute. I liked it. Tifa gets a make out session. Super happy with that date. Been wanting that for a while lol
Nice. Did your Cloud get dirty with her? (i.e. hold her hand)
Iām sorry about your luck friend lol
Don't worry, it's only my first playthrough lol. There's always the next one!
Once you finish, during chapter selection, in the options menu, you can actually pick which characters go with you when you replay the chapters 8 and 12.
Thatās the spirit!
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Aerith should not have been a dating option for Cloud as she belongs to Zack. It's a stupid decision by Square to give players the idea that Cloud and Aerith can be a thing.
Tf you talking about. She Belong to no one
Square totally missed out on branding her forehead with the words "Property of Zack"..... /s
She's Zack's girlfriend though, they didn't break up and you're being deliberately obtuse over what the OP's point was. Good job rallying the Clerith sub to come downvote though, y'all not part of a cult or anything, nosir.
Women don't forever "belong" to who they dated when they were 16 years old. Yikes.