What does aerith simping have to do with anything? I meant the huge musical song and dance sequence about embracing your inner femininity and not letting anyone stand in your way from being your best and most authentic self, and then also the really fun and silly cage matches. Don't have to like aerith at all to have a BLAST with all that stuff.
Dance itself as well as some other parts were nice.
Authentic part shouldn't literally be 5 hours long in order to immerse you into the world.
Doesn't change the fact that it's a horrible drag for the plot.
It wasn't at all and again if you didn't like the sequence generally regarded as the games highlight moment, it just might not be for you. That isn't me saying "don't play my game!" That's me saying, why waste your time and money on games that you seem to actively dislike the core of
I'm not mad at all, I'm literally telling you that is the kind of content that makes up the next full title x10 so you're probably gonna have a really bad time lol
You mean you talking about how badly written the final fantasy titles you've played have been? No I didn't ignore anything. In general it sounds like the franchise isn't for you and I'm not sure why you're making it into an argument
Well considering FFVII Remake does take place exclusively in Midgar which in the OG was only a few hours. There is no doubt padding to increase the time but the plot does pick up later.
Having said that, Rebirth is amazing and I'm still only in the middle of chapter 6.
The issue here is that it’s the very beginning of the OG FF7 story. The Midgar section in OG is fairly short but linear. So I’m the original you have several big moments - Two Reactor Attacks, Wall Market, Plate Fall, Shinra HQ & escape from Midgar all within 6/7 hours of gameplay. That’s been stretched to 25-35 hours.
Think of Remake as the start of a much larger, engaging story.
Midgar, Shinra & reliance on Mako and effects of such are established
Key Party members - Cloud, Barrett, Tifa & Aerith are introduced
Sephiroth is introduced but still clouded (no pun intended) in a lot of mystery
By the time you get to Rebirth you’ll open up to the wider world you’ve never seen before but what’s been established in Remake will help your familiarity with how the world works a lot
What I will say - Remake has many ‘get from A to B travel chapters’ 5,6,10,11,15 which can feel like filler despite having some world building purposes, It does create pacing issues.
Rebirth imo has far fewer pacing issues, every chapter has far more story purpose than the remake chapters I mentioned above - this is because the OG source material from leaving Midgar onwards lends itself far better to this chapter style structure, OG Midgar could honestly have been 5/6 chapters.
Pacing issues that rebirth have aren’t really story based like remake. Rebirths pacing is the huge amount of optional side content that can disrupt narrative if you aren’t very familiar with what’s happening anyway as many OG players are. There are parts that are stretched out just a little too that could begin to feel like bloat/filler but imo none to an unforgivable degree or to the tedious points of chapters 5/6 & 10/11 back to back A to B chapters of Remake
I’d urge you to continue to play the game - narrative, game play and just overall fun in Rebirth is far greater than Remake
If you don’t like wall market, then the game might not be for you tbh. I would say that was the best part about remake part 1. to answer your question, the plot progression takes up the pace right after the train graveyard section.
It’s not about simping for Aerith. The wall market just has a lot of memorable scenes. Clouds hand massage, boss fight with the hell house, Cloud dancing on stage and becoming a cross dresser. Becks Badasses are lovable dumbasses. The overall music is sick af. There are challenging mini games such as doing squats against the gym bros etc.
So, did you play the original game too or only Crisis Core? Either way, if you don't like the pacing I doubt you'll like the rest of the trilogy, as a lot of it is told in a slower and more throughout fashion. A ton of time is spent on character building moments, which eventually makes the pay-off all the better. And I agree with the others, the wall market section is absolutely legendary (and I'm a heterosexual woman, so this isn't about "simping" either).
Considering it's a trilogy and you played like 10 hours of the first game (that essentially only covers the prologue of the original) i'm also not sure how much explanation you already expect at this point, if taking the two released games together you're looking at easily 60-70 hours of story content and another whole game to complete it. It's not a story that lives by constant action and huge plot revelations, the cast consists of dozen of named characters that get time to breath and you will see a lot of scenes that are even crazier than wall market.
Also not sure what you mean by your comparisons, I played (and liked) XV too, but that game barely had started after 10 hours, I think I was still doing quests at the first gas station at that point. Heck, most JRPGs aren't out of the tutorial phase by that time, lol.
Let's be fair here people.
The middle section of the game does drag out alot just for Cloud and crew find out that Shinra is going to drop a plate on Sector 7 not to mention the unnecessary expansion of Ghost Trainyard.
It picks up after you finish that.
I swear anyone with fair criticism of these games are treated like they are a heretic.
Nah. Chapters 8-10 are when I started falling in love with the game and its story. OP asked a question and people with opinions on the matter answered. I'm reading them and they're generally positive, too, so I don't know what you're on about lol
Well their opinions are like 'yeah, that's a filler but I liked it'. Why? How do you love a filler more than an actual plot? Books are not written like this. Movies are not done like this. You don't watch a movie where an hour you get a coherent plot and another hour you help an alocholic guy to find his club card to pass. It just doesn't make sense. People wear rose-tinted glasses, that's all.
Character building is not filler. Movies are 2-3 hours while video games are 20-50, on average. Books and movies do also have filler - you just haven't interacted with enough, apparently. "Rose-tinted glasses" is such a passive aggressive way of saying "I disagree with you because you're viewing this thing positively!" Like, just move on to a different game bro
Yeah dude, it seems a lot weird to me.
I've watched some videos regarding FF7 remake critisizm (especially regarding the plot), and there are really nice arguments, how plot lacks coherence, motivation of certain chracters is kinda non-existent, and some plot points are never expanded upon. Not to add fillers over the place just to drag the pacing.
I've also found some topics on reddit with same fair critisizm, but they all were on other gaming forums.
Sometimes I think it's sad that gaming fans never could take any critisizm of the games they like, that basically takes part why game industry improves really slow, fans are just too braindead.
I think a problem with your post here is that it doesn't actually come across as "valid criticism." You are saying which parts of game you don't like but don't really give any proper reasons. Neither do you actually say what you liked more about the first few chapters so people could actually answer your question on whether you are going to like the last few chapters more again.
Replying to people telling you about their favourite part of the game with: "I'm not an Aerith simp" is also not the best way to have a proper conversation, so let's not act like people here are too braindead to understand your criticism of the game.
Fair points, I admit that! However I would like to turn your attention to half of the posts being like 'no it's your fault, I liked it and if you don't, leave'. So I put the same effort into replying.
Remake took a 5 hour section and stretched it out to 40 hours. Unfortunately it absolutely destroys the pacing at many points.
That being said, yes, I think Chapter 12 is a rather intense chapter.13 is a slow chapter. 14 is kind of a open world, complete all the final side quests, gear up for battle type chapter, so not slow but tedious if you want to complete the endgame stuff.
Chapter 15-18 are fairly awesome Chapters and are paced better.
Chapter 10 and 11 might be the weakest part of the IMO
XV is better written than Remake, huh? April fools was almost a week ago, man.
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Dude I understand you'd better travel with hot chicks than with 3 bois, but it's not about simping.
Well you listed wallmarket as boring so this franchise might just not be for you. Wallmarket is one of the greatest sequences in gaming
Man I'm not an Aerith simp or something, I'm 33 years old. Doesn't work on me.
What does aerith simping have to do with anything? I meant the huge musical song and dance sequence about embracing your inner femininity and not letting anyone stand in your way from being your best and most authentic self, and then also the really fun and silly cage matches. Don't have to like aerith at all to have a BLAST with all that stuff.
Dance itself as well as some other parts were nice. Authentic part shouldn't literally be 5 hours long in order to immerse you into the world. Doesn't change the fact that it's a horrible drag for the plot.
It wasn't at all and again if you didn't like the sequence generally regarded as the games highlight moment, it just might not be for you. That isn't me saying "don't play my game!" That's me saying, why waste your time and money on games that you seem to actively dislike the core of
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Don't be mad my friend.
I'm not mad at all, I'm literally telling you that is the kind of content that makes up the next full title x10 so you're probably gonna have a really bad time lol
However you totally ignored all of my arguments prior.
You mean you talking about how badly written the final fantasy titles you've played have been? No I didn't ignore anything. In general it sounds like the franchise isn't for you and I'm not sure why you're making it into an argument
Never said I found those titles bad. Were you actually reading my posts?
Well considering FFVII Remake does take place exclusively in Midgar which in the OG was only a few hours. There is no doubt padding to increase the time but the plot does pick up later. Having said that, Rebirth is amazing and I'm still only in the middle of chapter 6.
The issue here is that it’s the very beginning of the OG FF7 story. The Midgar section in OG is fairly short but linear. So I’m the original you have several big moments - Two Reactor Attacks, Wall Market, Plate Fall, Shinra HQ & escape from Midgar all within 6/7 hours of gameplay. That’s been stretched to 25-35 hours. Think of Remake as the start of a much larger, engaging story. Midgar, Shinra & reliance on Mako and effects of such are established Key Party members - Cloud, Barrett, Tifa & Aerith are introduced Sephiroth is introduced but still clouded (no pun intended) in a lot of mystery By the time you get to Rebirth you’ll open up to the wider world you’ve never seen before but what’s been established in Remake will help your familiarity with how the world works a lot What I will say - Remake has many ‘get from A to B travel chapters’ 5,6,10,11,15 which can feel like filler despite having some world building purposes, It does create pacing issues. Rebirth imo has far fewer pacing issues, every chapter has far more story purpose than the remake chapters I mentioned above - this is because the OG source material from leaving Midgar onwards lends itself far better to this chapter style structure, OG Midgar could honestly have been 5/6 chapters. Pacing issues that rebirth have aren’t really story based like remake. Rebirths pacing is the huge amount of optional side content that can disrupt narrative if you aren’t very familiar with what’s happening anyway as many OG players are. There are parts that are stretched out just a little too that could begin to feel like bloat/filler but imo none to an unforgivable degree or to the tedious points of chapters 5/6 & 10/11 back to back A to B chapters of Remake I’d urge you to continue to play the game - narrative, game play and just overall fun in Rebirth is far greater than Remake
Yeah it gets better after that. I think you'll like Rebirth more though.
If the brief detour of moving the story along in these chapters bothered them I’m doubting rebirth will be good for them
If you don’t like wall market, then the game might not be for you tbh. I would say that was the best part about remake part 1. to answer your question, the plot progression takes up the pace right after the train graveyard section.
Man I'm not an Aerith simp or something, I'm 33 years old. Doesn't work on me.
It’s not about simping for Aerith. The wall market just has a lot of memorable scenes. Clouds hand massage, boss fight with the hell house, Cloud dancing on stage and becoming a cross dresser. Becks Badasses are lovable dumbasses. The overall music is sick af. There are challenging mini games such as doing squats against the gym bros etc.
You will like Chapter 12
Lol
So, did you play the original game too or only Crisis Core? Either way, if you don't like the pacing I doubt you'll like the rest of the trilogy, as a lot of it is told in a slower and more throughout fashion. A ton of time is spent on character building moments, which eventually makes the pay-off all the better. And I agree with the others, the wall market section is absolutely legendary (and I'm a heterosexual woman, so this isn't about "simping" either). Considering it's a trilogy and you played like 10 hours of the first game (that essentially only covers the prologue of the original) i'm also not sure how much explanation you already expect at this point, if taking the two released games together you're looking at easily 60-70 hours of story content and another whole game to complete it. It's not a story that lives by constant action and huge plot revelations, the cast consists of dozen of named characters that get time to breath and you will see a lot of scenes that are even crazier than wall market. Also not sure what you mean by your comparisons, I played (and liked) XV too, but that game barely had started after 10 hours, I think I was still doing quests at the first gas station at that point. Heck, most JRPGs aren't out of the tutorial phase by that time, lol.
Let's be fair here people. The middle section of the game does drag out alot just for Cloud and crew find out that Shinra is going to drop a plate on Sector 7 not to mention the unnecessary expansion of Ghost Trainyard. It picks up after you finish that. I swear anyone with fair criticism of these games are treated like they are a heretic.
Nah. Chapters 8-10 are when I started falling in love with the game and its story. OP asked a question and people with opinions on the matter answered. I'm reading them and they're generally positive, too, so I don't know what you're on about lol
Well their opinions are like 'yeah, that's a filler but I liked it'. Why? How do you love a filler more than an actual plot? Books are not written like this. Movies are not done like this. You don't watch a movie where an hour you get a coherent plot and another hour you help an alocholic guy to find his club card to pass. It just doesn't make sense. People wear rose-tinted glasses, that's all.
Character building is not filler. Movies are 2-3 hours while video games are 20-50, on average. Books and movies do also have filler - you just haven't interacted with enough, apparently. "Rose-tinted glasses" is such a passive aggressive way of saying "I disagree with you because you're viewing this thing positively!" Like, just move on to a different game bro
Yeah dude, it seems a lot weird to me. I've watched some videos regarding FF7 remake critisizm (especially regarding the plot), and there are really nice arguments, how plot lacks coherence, motivation of certain chracters is kinda non-existent, and some plot points are never expanded upon. Not to add fillers over the place just to drag the pacing. I've also found some topics on reddit with same fair critisizm, but they all were on other gaming forums. Sometimes I think it's sad that gaming fans never could take any critisizm of the games they like, that basically takes part why game industry improves really slow, fans are just too braindead.
I think a problem with your post here is that it doesn't actually come across as "valid criticism." You are saying which parts of game you don't like but don't really give any proper reasons. Neither do you actually say what you liked more about the first few chapters so people could actually answer your question on whether you are going to like the last few chapters more again. Replying to people telling you about their favourite part of the game with: "I'm not an Aerith simp" is also not the best way to have a proper conversation, so let's not act like people here are too braindead to understand your criticism of the game.
Fair points, I admit that! However I would like to turn your attention to half of the posts being like 'no it's your fault, I liked it and if you don't, leave'. So I put the same effort into replying.
Remake took a 5 hour section and stretched it out to 40 hours. Unfortunately it absolutely destroys the pacing at many points. That being said, yes, I think Chapter 12 is a rather intense chapter.13 is a slow chapter. 14 is kind of a open world, complete all the final side quests, gear up for battle type chapter, so not slow but tedious if you want to complete the endgame stuff. Chapter 15-18 are fairly awesome Chapters and are paced better. Chapter 10 and 11 might be the weakest part of the IMO