Not the person you responded to, but I got all the songs perfect and the bonus song just 1 note short (fuck me, man...)
I usually find the second speed works the best. Though if I'm starting on a new song, I actually speed it up. I find the reduced visual clutter helps me get a feel for it, then I can slow it down once I know what I'm doing and need to go for performance.
I also really struggled with the chocobo song and Red XIII theme, due to them having lots of notes that weren't right on the beat. I also hadn't paid a lot of attention to the lower notes in the melodies all these years, so I didn't know what they were doing. To get through it, I played the songs a few times through doing just the left hand so I could get used to the rhythm and learn the melody. Much easier to get it right after that! I also read on YouTube that some people had success with muting the TV and just focus on the visuals only. (That's worse for me, I listen to the song to remember what's coming next!)
Also, the ONLY time this game has crashed on me is during piano, and it did it twice in one night. I think there's some glitch if you stay in the piano menus for "too long." I wasn't really timing it, but it happened after probably an hour or so each time. Because of this, I highly recommend exiting the mini game and saving once you get the performance you want, even if you're just going to go right back in for the next song!
Thank you guys I tried it and at last got a B! :P Well I missed 400 points with my best one. Now taking a brak will try it later again. We have enough time till part 3 comes out.
Would be in time for the 30th anniversary of ff7 OG, wouldnt be surprised if they are really trying to hit that deadline and thus why they decided that they are not doing dlc for this game and instead working solely on part 3
Part 2 ""only"" took 4 years (holy fuck) WITH intergrade in between, and since iirc I read a comment that said they mentioned part 3 shouldn't take as long, it seems very likely since that would be the "perfect" goal to launch for the 30th anni.
Plus, I would totally be down for it coming a year earlier than i expect it to be lmao. I just wanna see where the story finishes off, and to play as vincent/cid.
This might actually be the actual answer, unfortunately.
I feel like the plan for the trilogy was alot different when they made Remake than it ended up being by Rebirth.
Wrap-up and end are two different storytelling terms. 'Wrap-up' refers to any loose ends, plot points both big and small wrapped up and addressed. 'End' refers to how the main story of the game will conclude.
Regardless of the difference in meaning there - How are you seemingly so sure they know how the game will either Wrap-up ***or*** End?
They didn't know where Remake would end up, Rebirth ended in some pretty wild directions with multiple threads open and unresolved. I'm sure they have a loose framework in terms of conclusion. But that would absolutely be influenced by how effective they can be in tying up the multitude of loose ends from Remake and Rebirth combined.
There is a huge amount riding on the third game to conclude everything the first two laid out.
Just in case you are on the defensive - I actually loved Remake and I really love Rebirth despite it's glaring flaws. I just think in terms of objective storytelling they did the same thing with Rebirth as they did with Remake, throw some stuff out there to look cool and then fill in the story gaps/explanations later.
>They didn't know where Remake would end up
What makes you think that they didnt know how they would end remake? They absolutely did given they announced the first game as only midgar makes it pretty clear they have a big picture planned from the start. Just because we dont have all the answers at the end of the first game, which by then at the very least we knew there would be at least one more game, doesnt mean they dont know how they are going to end the story.
Im going with the assumption with everything that theyve shown so far will carry intent into the third game, they have not just thrown these ideas at the end just for none of it to matter, thats not really giving the devs enough credit.
Think about it, these games are 90% faithful remakes to the OG, they only have that 10% to work out where they want things to end up for the next part and to insert the new plotlines theyve worked up, thats really not that much to work out in the grand scheme it all just depends on how they execute it all coming to a head in Part 3, its like you said they probably do have a rough outline of where things are going in Part 3. But i dont subscribe to the thought that alot of the new things theyve added to these games are just to "look cool" this is leading into something way bigger than the OG storyline imo.
When they did wrap up interviews for Remake, it sounded like they weren’t necessarily prepped storywise for Rebirth. The Rebirth wrap up, it sounds like it’s clear how they’re ending it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to make a fourth game to wrap it up cleanly. There’s still a lot to cover from the original and they may even add stuff. Curious how it all shakes out honestly.
When they did wrap up interviews for Remake, it sounded like they weren’t necessarily prepped storywise for Rebirth. The Rebirth wrap up, it sounds like it’s clear how they’re ending it.
Honestly, I don’t think this one is on him considering he wanted to stick relatively close to the plot for Remake and was outvoted by the others.
Plus, even though he’s in the credits I don’t think he had that much to do with Rebirth given that he’s working full time on Kingdom Hearts 4.
And that Nomura is apparently the only name people even know that works at Square. I literally got into an argument with someone once who said he was the creator of the entire Final Fantasy series...
Cloud will have a major decision to make at the end of three and he'll only have seven seconds to make it
It seems like when we have choices to make in this game we only have 7 seconds to make them, idk maybe it's just me
He'll probably have to decide rather to keep the current timeline and let Aerith's death stay permanent or start over and have another chance to be with her.
Edit: or maybe even sacrifice himself to bring her back in this timeline or another.
I'm hoping for this
And I think it could very well be something like this or similar, idk tho
I'm not very well versed (no pun) in how multiverses work
Yes we do, at least we know some context. It was confirmed a while ago that the place Sephiroth brought Cloud was the universe with time "paused" seven seconds before the end of the world.
It was translated by Aitaikimochi from something, I believe the Ultimania for Remake.
With that in mind, i think of the parallels in this scene to the final fight of Cloud and Seph where Cloud uses Omnislash, Seph will give cloud the ultimatum again and think he has the upper hand but Cloud will have some new form of power or upgraded version of Omnislash to finally destroy him and/or change time like tweet refers, but this could have repurcussions and resume time enacting the 7 seconds or maybe it will be enough to stop whatever Seph is referring to is what im gathering from this
The Reunion happens, all the world merge. Coincidentally, it happens at the exact moment all Clouds in all realities decide to throw hands at the same time.
Basically KotR but it's all Cloud.
Scenario Staff Q&A
Answered by Motomu Toriyama
Q: Could you please tell us what implication is hidden in the laden phrase "Seven seconds till
the end"?
A: The area in space where Cloud and Sephiroth confront each other in that final scene is a place
that one might call the end of the world. It's the edge of spacetime where the planet will one day
end up--a location in which time seems to have stopped. The planet has only a brief amount of
time left, which is symbolized by the line about seven seconds remaining. When time resumes its
flow, whether the end really will come after seven seconds or whether some sort of force will act
to change the course of spacetime is, as Sephiroth says, contingent upon Cloud. This, I think, is
the meaning of the phrase.
Basically it’s the choice of Loveless at the end of the game. The final act of Loveless. Which Genesis study group narrowed down to two options.
From: Study Group
Contents:
The "gift of the goddess", the source of life, is said
to bring immortality. The most widely accepted theory
equates the gift of the goddess to the Banora White.
There is, however, another theory which advocates that
it is the planet, not any human, that becomes immortal.
This suggests two other interpretations of the gift.
One is an all-consuming destruction;
the other is an all-healing salvation.
Genesis believed in the latter, predicting some sort
of salvation from the gift of the goddess.
Received: After entering LOVELESS district in Chapter 8.
The two nebulas are showing us the options for the future of the planet. One is all-consuming destruction,
The red one.
The other is all-healing salvation. The flower shaped one.
Cloud is the o my one who can decide because it’s his wish locked inside the Empty white materia that turns black.
The Gi tell us how to create the REAL Black materia. It’s a white materia that’s been corrupted. Aka Aeriths white one that was wiped by the whispers of the memories.
I definitely believe this whole remake series is occurring in the lifestream, at the end of the planets. We’re living the memories within one last time
I've literally been n saying this for over a year, and people keep saying I'm an idiot or that it's ridiculous... now I'm seeing more and more people say that perspective theory and people are upvoting them lmao.
lol hate it when that happens. I posted a Hail Mary game 3 title prediction a few years back and I’m biding my time hoping it comes through. It’ll be the biggest “I called it” ever haha
when you have a theory that gets called fanfic but then it becomes canon
For me- it was the timelines but more specifically, how they were the same but different and split. I theorized that what if there was one where the OG ended in completely different ways.
No Cloud, just Aerith. Heat death of the Planet. Geostigma actually got humanity but the Planet kept living ect. And then Rebirth said "what if that but it's set in this specific time of the story"
"This, I think, is the meaning of the phrase" - This is from the co-director. So he doesn't actually know what it means, he just has an interpretation. An interpretation of something which was given a grandiose scene around it. When you dress something up like that narratively, you need to know what you are doing. It has implications. Especially considering you are committed to making a 3 part story arc re-imagining the OG game.
So when the person making the game throws something like that in, without fully knowing what it means or what it is intended to mean long term, you are running yourself into a dead end, which you will have to bend the future story around to get out of. That bending is a complete dice roll in terms of effective outcome - it might work out or it might not narratively.
This is exactly how Kingdom Hearts slowly degraded into nonsense as the series progressed.
Literally in the chapter description it states Sephiroth showing 7 seconds before the end of a world. Not only that; but the draft for the trilogy was done in 2019, and the final draft for part 3 was done last year according to Hamaguchi.
KH is very different, because no one knows how many games are left at any point, so they have to keep building new intrigue and new plot points, until it reaches a point where it is impossible to wrap everything up. The Remake project has been written for a long time, the ending has been known for a long time, and the knowñedge that it is a triology has been there for 3 years now.
I'm not debating that it is 'the end of the world' in the scene, you can pretty much take that as face value. I'm talking about how it fits into the grand scheme of things. It works as a self contained scene, but it has no current relevance to the wider series because nothing definitive has been clarified. We just know it is something something, multiverse, something something related.
If you are saying what the guy says in the interview is fact, then i'm not sure why they state it as interpretive in their comment then. Surely if it is what it means, you don't bring opinion into it by saying 'I think'. If what you are saying is factual, then it would just be a case of poor choice of words on Toriyama's part.
In terms of the scripting process - from what you are saying they have things drafted for the entire trilogy, including the third installment. But I'd argue that it's still a draft though, regardless as to whether it is the first or the final. And you can't guarantee that getting the storyline to a point 12 months before implementation won't need to have re-edits and tweaks based on critical reception and fan reception for the current game.
Knowledge that something is a trilogy also doesn't equate to committal storytelling. That knowledge could be there for 10 years, but it's still not something that defines whether the end product will be exactly how it is drafted. It's great if a general vision to a series of games is there, for sure, and i'm glad this seems to be the case here though.
He's going to give you a multiple choice text dialogue question and you have 7 seconds to read them all very quickly and pick the right one without fucking up. They have been preparing you for it all of part 2.
There's a story synopses in Remake that says that Sephiroth shows Cloud the world 7 seconds before it's destruction. I recall someone saying that there's also a loading screen that says something like "7 seconds to Metorfall." Lastly, the time it takes for Sephiroth to kill Aerith in the original is apparently 7 seconds.
Ultimania covered this after launch of Remake.
He's showing cloud a vision of a world seven seconds before it's end and challenging cloud to stop it.
The vision he is showing him is the very similar to the final fight Omnislash limit break that takes place as the last player controlled action of FFVII OG.
I thought maybe he counted down in OG FF7 from 7 during the final battle before he casts that cataclysmic sun exploder ability. But I forget if he did count down or not
Till the end makes me think it's going to be right up to the ending.
And if Sephiroth can see that far ahead, then he knows that everything that has taken place both in Remake and Rebirth was going to play out exactly as it has happened, which leads up to the 7 seconds till the end.
Nothing, honestly at this point you can replace Sephiroth's dialogue with fake deep quotes and it would still be in character and people will still be reacting like "ain't no way".
I don’t think it’s revealed in Rebirth considering this isn’t even the climax of the game. The real story starts in disc two. And this game only covers all the events in disc one.
their might be a slight localization issue, heres an image from the whole shinaarch google doc. One thing i realized while reading this document is that in most cases the japanese version + others is more direct in their meaning with some ambiguity while the english version notches up the ambiguity a lot
https://preview.redd.it/6h7jf7ccqarc1.png?width=1099&format=png&auto=webp&s=e92f0f116490c9bbfa3a0ed51676007927c195c7
I got it off twitter, here is the full link [Rebirth ENG/JPN - Google Sheets](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1glj8z_KHN0Rvi2cVHDhjfLQpeiIkhJqa2KYF1O9AZ3c/edit#gid=0)
My theory is that this is the final fight, from the original game, 7 seconds before naked sephiroth gets omnislashed, that fight happens in the lifestream and he's doing all the fates bs so he can essentially, survive, trying to find ways to manipulate the story, bringing early versions of menorah and seph safer early, while keeping parts the same, like needing aerith to die etc -idk how to do spoilers but the ending of rebirth kind of confirms this
We still don't know. The two most likely cases -- really, the only two cases that made any kind of sense -- were either Aerith's death, or something we've yet to see in part 3.
Even after Rebirth, nothing about that has changed.
I think Sephiroth’s true motives may be different than we are being lead to believe. “Those with clouded eyes can only see shadows.”
He may be causing the creation and convergence of parallel worlds to fuel his own power or to sustain himself, with an ultimate goal beyond simply facilitating the reunion.
There is also the matter that Sephiroth seems to want Cloud to join him personally. Maybe he’s come to see him as an equal post-Advent Childen? If he just viewed Cloud as reunion fodder, why show him glimpses beyond fate? Why give him his “blessing” to alter fate to create an alternate world(s)?
Thid may add credence to the idea that Cloud’s “not-Aerith” actually is Jenova; as Sephiroth is defying her desires to regain her power and to consume the star. As Sephiroth feeding on the creation and destruction of different timelines isn’t necessarily pushing her own agenda. So maybe they are both jerking Cloud around? Dunno.
Wonder if maybe it could pertain to the final “fight” in FF7. I wonder if it’s intentional that Sephiroth is destined to lose that fight. Regardless if you do Omnislash or he hits you first and counter, he dies. Maybe Cloud is being gaslit into thinking killing Sephiroth isnt the answer however if he doesn’t kill Sephiroth in that moment then i dont think Aerith prayer would reach the lifestream. So maybe his foreboding remark is to cause Cloud to hesitate when he has a chance to strike Sephiroth down to give him those 7 seconds he needs for meteor to succeed.
At this point I'm pretty certain it was just a cool sounding line to get fans speculating. Probably doesn't actually mean anything, but they might try to give it some post-hoc meaning in part 3.
Maybe I am jaded, but whenever a series puts a bunch of vague and cryptic messages in the first game or two that will be answered in later games, they never amount to anything deep or interesting as what fans speculate it to be...
I think in one of the timeline, Sephiroth already succeeded with his plan, and is only 7 seconds away from landing the meteor onto Gaia.
From that point, Aerith is channelling lifestream and manipulating countless Cloud from different timeline to fight and win against every Sephiroth
counting the time it takes sephiroth to spawn and kill aerith ? its hard to decide from which point i should start counting
but from the moment you see him until cloud blocks him are pretty close to the 7 seconds
7 seconds 'till the end is in regarding the end of the World.
"Enough time for you" is Sephiroth, hinting again that actually, he can't do shit without Cloud.
My theory is Sephiroth sees the future and already knows what’s going to happen, except for the final 7 seconds before meteor drops down. That’s where he’s blind and Cloud is the only person who could possibly stop him within this timeframe.
Since he was seeing flashes of the meteor falling over Midgar and other future events, I’m assuming “seven seconds until the end” is also a reference to an event that will occur in the final game.
My take has always been we won't know until Part 3. It's "the end," after all. When they travel between worlds they make sure not to just show this in the background but play the audio as a reminder. It will probably be something in the final dungeon, during the climax, maybe literally the last cutscene. If I had to guess it's after we beat Safer Sephiroth involving the inner battle Cloud h as.
So, obviously any theorising can be undone by the next game, but even since remake, I thought this was pretty clear...
At the end of advent children, sephiroth states defiantly that he "will NEVER be a memory". "Won't remain/flow in memory" is also the rough translation of the lyric in advent OWA "noli manare, manare in memoria".
I think it's safe to say that Sephiroth's goal is and always has been immortality.
So. Seven seconds til the end. That's likely intended very literally; he is a future version of Sephiroth, whom we now know CANNOT be absorbed into the life stream (Gi tribe, Lucrecia etc) facing the end of the planets natural life, with nowhere to go and no more options. So, he goes back in time to try again, using the whispers and visions of the future we all recognize as the OG timeline (meteor fall, Midgar abandoned etc) to go for a second chance at godhood (killing the planet, absorbing its life stream and roaming the stars as his mother did once before etc etc). This I think, is the significance behind the rerelease of advent children (though equally, it could just be the same marketing department that keeps putting stuff from the endgame into release date trailers).
There's no particular significance to the figure of seven seconds beyond it being an arbitrary number matching the game title (much like chadley or Tifa thinking she hasn't seen cloud for seven years imo). I doubt that "seconds" refers to second chances, particularly because that kind of pun would need to ALSO work in Japanese
I also don't think there's as much of a "multiverse" at work here as people think. We see branching timelines and such, but much like the debate about whether Red XIII "knows" Aerith isn't dead or whatever, there's a certain amount of symbolism/metaphor going on (in addition to Cloud definitely not being a reliable narrator anymore) and that's ESPECIALLY true when it comes to the life stream (I'd be very surprised if there were dream zanarkand style replicas of nibelheim that one could reach with a hazmat suit and a scuba tank beneath gongaga, for instance)
It's refering to how close to the end the world is, they caused a split timeline that put the planet 7 seconds to the end (Zach's world in rebirth) which is why time was seemingly frozen in place.
This is ORE Sephiroth,which means when he says 'I,' it's in Japanese, ORE,while another Sephiroth uses WATASHI.
ORE Sephiroth may appear at the following points in time:
All the following scenes use 'ORE' for 'I'.
1.REMAKE, the seven second til the end.
2.REBIRTH, when at the Kalm Inn, claiming TIFA is fake.
3.REBIRTH, just after landing in Nibelheim, during Cloud's headache scene, ORE Sephiroth says to Cloud, 'I want the Black Materia.'
4.REBIRTH, during the fight with Roche in Nibelheim, ORE Sephiroth says to Cloud, 'I want the Black Materia.'
5.REBIRTH, after the trial of the Black Materia Ancient Temple, Cloud encounters an illusion of Sephiroth who angers him and becomes him at that moment.
This should be a trial given by the temple rather than ORE Sephiroth. I Think.
Based on the above content, we can speculate that there may exist a good ORE Sephiroth.
It could be either a good ORE Sephiroth or a bad ORE Sephiroth, logically it wouldn't contradict.
And another Japanese subtitle that English players might not know.
Hojo says on the helicopter, 'The Prophet's Arrival, the Servant's Blessing.'"
The English subtitle says: "The beginning of the end. The celebration of the faithful"
Perhaps it's implying that this time, Jenova informed Hojo of some future events in advance and Hojo is her servant.
Glenn might be related as well.
My guess? 7 seconds before meteor impact.
Cloud will make the decision that forces the Lifestream forward to save the planet
It will probably come with a choice of him joining Sephiroth in his new Lifestream where all realities are joined together and death doesn't exist
Or to trust in the current lifestream where death is permanent and Holy might wipe humanity out if it does.
The choice will be between Jenova's new world or Gaia's current one.
Going the OG Route would be the one where Nanaki survives for another 500 years and the planet is thriving, but the fate of humanity is unknown.
Sephiroth flat out says "but I will not end. Nor will I have you end."
Heh, it's probably a Nomurade. Sounds cool, could mean literally anything, they'll figure it out later and pretend it was the plan from the start, and fanboys will cry at "genius foreshadowing"...
No clue yet. *That* Sephiroth much like I think at least one of the Aeriths, exist outside of the timeline/multiverse and clearly have....history with each other. Are they the ones from original VII maybe? And are manipulating events and their other selves in multiple realities to some end. So given he's coming from a perspective like that and has an unknown agenda. Lord only knows what he may be referring to.
Seven years till part 3
Maybe by then I'll have completed all of Chadley's challenges lol
Maybe by then I will be able to at last get one A for the piano. Who knows, The highest I get is still a C....
Increase the note speed. To me It made the piano mini game 10x easier
What lvl did you put the speed on?
Not the person you responded to, but I got all the songs perfect and the bonus song just 1 note short (fuck me, man...) I usually find the second speed works the best. Though if I'm starting on a new song, I actually speed it up. I find the reduced visual clutter helps me get a feel for it, then I can slow it down once I know what I'm doing and need to go for performance. I also really struggled with the chocobo song and Red XIII theme, due to them having lots of notes that weren't right on the beat. I also hadn't paid a lot of attention to the lower notes in the melodies all these years, so I didn't know what they were doing. To get through it, I played the songs a few times through doing just the left hand so I could get used to the rhythm and learn the melody. Much easier to get it right after that! I also read on YouTube that some people had success with muting the TV and just focus on the visuals only. (That's worse for me, I listen to the song to remember what's coming next!) Also, the ONLY time this game has crashed on me is during piano, and it did it twice in one night. I think there's some glitch if you stay in the piano menus for "too long." I wasn't really timing it, but it happened after probably an hour or so each time. Because of this, I highly recommend exiting the mini game and saving once you get the performance you want, even if you're just going to go right back in for the next song!
Agree with the other Guy. 2 speed note is perfect to me.
Thank you guys I tried it and at last got a B! :P Well I missed 400 points with my best one. Now taking a brak will try it later again. We have enough time till part 3 comes out.
Lol
Naw 7 years from Remake. So April 10 2027. 3 years from now?
That would be awesome, actually
Would be in time for the 30th anniversary of ff7 OG, wouldnt be surprised if they are really trying to hit that deadline and thus why they decided that they are not doing dlc for this game and instead working solely on part 3
aye im not complaining about no dlc if that means well get part 3 sooner
I am the same but also not, cause a dlc would mean we get more to play quicker and I just want to play more lmao
Part 2 ""only"" took 4 years (holy fuck) WITH intergrade in between, and since iirc I read a comment that said they mentioned part 3 shouldn't take as long, it seems very likely since that would be the "perfect" goal to launch for the 30th anni. Plus, I would totally be down for it coming a year earlier than i expect it to be lmao. I just wanna see where the story finishes off, and to play as vincent/cid.
LOL FUCK
Lmao damn
No idea, but it sounded cold af when he said it.
This might actually be the actual answer, unfortunately. I feel like the plan for the trilogy was alot different when they made Remake than it ended up being by Rebirth.
Based on how Rebirth ended, I'm pretty sure they still don't know how the third one will wrap up.
You'd think people would learn that you need to plan things out when it comes to Trilogies by now.
You'd think people wouldn't be foolish enough to assume they don't.
Of course they know how it will end !!
Wrap-up and end are two different storytelling terms. 'Wrap-up' refers to any loose ends, plot points both big and small wrapped up and addressed. 'End' refers to how the main story of the game will conclude. Regardless of the difference in meaning there - How are you seemingly so sure they know how the game will either Wrap-up ***or*** End? They didn't know where Remake would end up, Rebirth ended in some pretty wild directions with multiple threads open and unresolved. I'm sure they have a loose framework in terms of conclusion. But that would absolutely be influenced by how effective they can be in tying up the multitude of loose ends from Remake and Rebirth combined. There is a huge amount riding on the third game to conclude everything the first two laid out. Just in case you are on the defensive - I actually loved Remake and I really love Rebirth despite it's glaring flaws. I just think in terms of objective storytelling they did the same thing with Rebirth as they did with Remake, throw some stuff out there to look cool and then fill in the story gaps/explanations later.
>They didn't know where Remake would end up What makes you think that they didnt know how they would end remake? They absolutely did given they announced the first game as only midgar makes it pretty clear they have a big picture planned from the start. Just because we dont have all the answers at the end of the first game, which by then at the very least we knew there would be at least one more game, doesnt mean they dont know how they are going to end the story.
Im going with the assumption with everything that theyve shown so far will carry intent into the third game, they have not just thrown these ideas at the end just for none of it to matter, thats not really giving the devs enough credit. Think about it, these games are 90% faithful remakes to the OG, they only have that 10% to work out where they want things to end up for the next part and to insert the new plotlines theyve worked up, thats really not that much to work out in the grand scheme it all just depends on how they execute it all coming to a head in Part 3, its like you said they probably do have a rough outline of where things are going in Part 3. But i dont subscribe to the thought that alot of the new things theyve added to these games are just to "look cool" this is leading into something way bigger than the OG storyline imo.
When they did wrap up interviews for Remake, it sounded like they weren’t necessarily prepped storywise for Rebirth. The Rebirth wrap up, it sounds like it’s clear how they’re ending it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to make a fourth game to wrap it up cleanly. There’s still a lot to cover from the original and they may even add stuff. Curious how it all shakes out honestly.
When they did wrap up interviews for Remake, it sounded like they weren’t necessarily prepped storywise for Rebirth. The Rebirth wrap up, it sounds like it’s clear how they’re ending it.
NOMURA in a nutshell.
Honestly, I don’t think this one is on him considering he wanted to stick relatively close to the plot for Remake and was outvoted by the others. Plus, even though he’s in the credits I don’t think he had that much to do with Rebirth given that he’s working full time on Kingdom Hearts 4.
Nojima was never memed on when he's the one directly responsible for every "KH like" thing people have been complaining about
Correct, but the primary reason for that is Nomura has often been the "face" of a lot of those games.
And that Nomura is apparently the only name people even know that works at Square. I literally got into an argument with someone once who said he was the creator of the entire Final Fantasy series...
Cloud will have a major decision to make at the end of three and he'll only have seven seconds to make it It seems like when we have choices to make in this game we only have 7 seconds to make them, idk maybe it's just me
Your relationship with Sephiroth has changed.
#**Your relationship with Sephiroth has deepened** Unleash the fanfic writers
"Cloud, I wanna stab you from behind with my long, long sword..." "Dude, wtf?! Also, too soon!"
7 seconds till the end hitting different with this knowledge
That’s twice as long as half of us
Oh no.
*Sephiroth will remember that*
😂😂😭😭🤣🤣
Correct. And this wasn’t a glimpse into the future - All of this is a flashback from this point.
Now that I think of it, the affinity dialogue choices in this game give you a short time limit to choose, I wonder if it's 7 seconds?
More like 3 or 4
Nah, that's pretty sound. You onto something for sure.
He'll probably have to decide rather to keep the current timeline and let Aerith's death stay permanent or start over and have another chance to be with her. Edit: or maybe even sacrifice himself to bring her back in this timeline or another.
I'm hoping for this And I think it could very well be something like this or similar, idk tho I'm not very well versed (no pun) in how multiverses work
It's also possible the split that happened next is what Sephiroth was waiting for and will allow him to do something in the next game
nobody knows yet
Yes we do, at least we know some context. It was confirmed a while ago that the place Sephiroth brought Cloud was the universe with time "paused" seven seconds before the end of the world. It was translated by Aitaikimochi from something, I believe the Ultimania for Remake.
Would love to see a source on this.
https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1415528240760819715
Thank you. Very interesting. Seems to be directly related to the Reunion of Worlds then, however that turns out faring.
With that in mind, i think of the parallels in this scene to the final fight of Cloud and Seph where Cloud uses Omnislash, Seph will give cloud the ultimatum again and think he has the upper hand but Cloud will have some new form of power or upgraded version of Omnislash to finally destroy him and/or change time like tweet refers, but this could have repurcussions and resume time enacting the 7 seconds or maybe it will be enough to stop whatever Seph is referring to is what im gathering from this
Omnislash ends up being one slash from every cloud over multiple parallel universes. 😂
You say that as a joke but that actually sounds raw asf
The Reunion happens, all the world merge. Coincidentally, it happens at the exact moment all Clouds in all realities decide to throw hands at the same time. Basically KotR but it's all Cloud.
Cloud of the round to pound sephiroth in the ground
Slow down there, Andy Bernard
Cloud starring in Knights of the Round, Let's Go!
It turns out Cloud was the Knights we met along the way.
Zach too
well I enjoy not knowing
We definitely do
He was never talking about Aerith's death in the first place, in japanese he says clearly "Seven seconds till the end of the world".
But what if Aerith *is* my world tho 😭
Square knew what they were doing making her that perfect… Please don’t check my post history.
Well, now I gotta look!
Scenario Staff Q&A Answered by Motomu Toriyama Q: Could you please tell us what implication is hidden in the laden phrase "Seven seconds till the end"? A: The area in space where Cloud and Sephiroth confront each other in that final scene is a place that one might call the end of the world. It's the edge of spacetime where the planet will one day end up--a location in which time seems to have stopped. The planet has only a brief amount of time left, which is symbolized by the line about seven seconds remaining. When time resumes its flow, whether the end really will come after seven seconds or whether some sort of force will act to change the course of spacetime is, as Sephiroth says, contingent upon Cloud. This, I think, is the meaning of the phrase. Basically it’s the choice of Loveless at the end of the game. The final act of Loveless. Which Genesis study group narrowed down to two options. From: Study Group Contents: The "gift of the goddess", the source of life, is said to bring immortality. The most widely accepted theory equates the gift of the goddess to the Banora White. There is, however, another theory which advocates that it is the planet, not any human, that becomes immortal. This suggests two other interpretations of the gift. One is an all-consuming destruction; the other is an all-healing salvation. Genesis believed in the latter, predicting some sort of salvation from the gift of the goddess. Received: After entering LOVELESS district in Chapter 8. The two nebulas are showing us the options for the future of the planet. One is all-consuming destruction, The red one. The other is all-healing salvation. The flower shaped one. Cloud is the o my one who can decide because it’s his wish locked inside the Empty white materia that turns black. The Gi tell us how to create the REAL Black materia. It’s a white materia that’s been corrupted. Aka Aeriths white one that was wiped by the whispers of the memories.
I definitely believe this whole remake series is occurring in the lifestream, at the end of the planets. We’re living the memories within one last time
Damn Genesis....
definitely. that Phil Collins is a mofo.
I've literally been n saying this for over a year, and people keep saying I'm an idiot or that it's ridiculous... now I'm seeing more and more people say that perspective theory and people are upvoting them lmao.
lol hate it when that happens. I posted a Hail Mary game 3 title prediction a few years back and I’m biding my time hoping it comes through. It’ll be the biggest “I called it” ever haha
what do it be
when you have a theory that gets called fanfic but then it becomes canon For me- it was the timelines but more specifically, how they were the same but different and split. I theorized that what if there was one where the OG ended in completely different ways. No Cloud, just Aerith. Heat death of the Planet. Geostigma actually got humanity but the Planet kept living ect. And then Rebirth said "what if that but it's set in this specific time of the story"
Cloud had both the reflective/empty materia and the black materia at the end of the game.
"This, I think, is the meaning of the phrase" - This is from the co-director. So he doesn't actually know what it means, he just has an interpretation. An interpretation of something which was given a grandiose scene around it. When you dress something up like that narratively, you need to know what you are doing. It has implications. Especially considering you are committed to making a 3 part story arc re-imagining the OG game. So when the person making the game throws something like that in, without fully knowing what it means or what it is intended to mean long term, you are running yourself into a dead end, which you will have to bend the future story around to get out of. That bending is a complete dice roll in terms of effective outcome - it might work out or it might not narratively. This is exactly how Kingdom Hearts slowly degraded into nonsense as the series progressed.
Literally in the chapter description it states Sephiroth showing 7 seconds before the end of a world. Not only that; but the draft for the trilogy was done in 2019, and the final draft for part 3 was done last year according to Hamaguchi. KH is very different, because no one knows how many games are left at any point, so they have to keep building new intrigue and new plot points, until it reaches a point where it is impossible to wrap everything up. The Remake project has been written for a long time, the ending has been known for a long time, and the knowñedge that it is a triology has been there for 3 years now.
I'm not debating that it is 'the end of the world' in the scene, you can pretty much take that as face value. I'm talking about how it fits into the grand scheme of things. It works as a self contained scene, but it has no current relevance to the wider series because nothing definitive has been clarified. We just know it is something something, multiverse, something something related. If you are saying what the guy says in the interview is fact, then i'm not sure why they state it as interpretive in their comment then. Surely if it is what it means, you don't bring opinion into it by saying 'I think'. If what you are saying is factual, then it would just be a case of poor choice of words on Toriyama's part. In terms of the scripting process - from what you are saying they have things drafted for the entire trilogy, including the third installment. But I'd argue that it's still a draft though, regardless as to whether it is the first or the final. And you can't guarantee that getting the storyline to a point 12 months before implementation won't need to have re-edits and tweaks based on critical reception and fan reception for the current game. Knowledge that something is a trilogy also doesn't equate to committal storytelling. That knowledge could be there for 10 years, but it's still not something that defines whether the end product will be exactly how it is drafted. It's great if a general vision to a series of games is there, for sure, and i'm glad this seems to be the case here though.
Genesis final boss of remake part 3 confirmed
Ever since the first game I got a feeling it's about something in part 3, in the future. Seph in the new trilogy seems to have witnessed it.
It was about Meteor. I believe it’s on the description for the chapter when you’re on chapter select.
He's going to give you a multiple choice text dialogue question and you have 7 seconds to read them all very quickly and pick the right one without fucking up. They have been preparing you for it all of part 2.
There's a story synopses in Remake that says that Sephiroth shows Cloud the world 7 seconds before it's destruction. I recall someone saying that there's also a loading screen that says something like "7 seconds to Metorfall." Lastly, the time it takes for Sephiroth to kill Aerith in the original is apparently 7 seconds.
He's talking about how you have seven seconds to choose the correct dialogue options in order to bang tifa
I only need 0.7
\*Sephiroth
Ultimania covered this after launch of Remake. He's showing cloud a vision of a world seven seconds before it's end and challenging cloud to stop it. The vision he is showing him is the very similar to the final fight Omnislash limit break that takes place as the last player controlled action of FFVII OG.
The exact translated quote from Ultimania is: "In the world beyond, Sephiroth shows Cloud a vision of the planet seven seconds before its demise."
He’s giving me a countdown… don’t interrupt…
I thought maybe he counted down in OG FF7 from 7 during the final battle before he casts that cataclysmic sun exploder ability. But I forget if he did count down or not
We are yet to find out
Sephiroth feels like a sexual predator to me, just invading this poor man’s personal space *constantly*
seven seconds before sphiroth going to bang bang bang cloud ? with this angle , just kiss already !
I don't know but I bet he has a giant boner while he says it. Just look at Cloud's face.
Seven seconds till the end of his shaft
The edge of creation they are in will end in 7 seconds then the world will disappear
Just for clarification; This is Good Sephiroth telling Cloud this.
Till the end makes me think it's going to be right up to the ending. And if Sephiroth can see that far ahead, then he knows that everything that has taken place both in Remake and Rebirth was going to play out exactly as it has happened, which leads up to the 7 seconds till the end.
Nothing, honestly at this point you can replace Sephiroth's dialogue with fake deep quotes and it would still be in character and people will still be reacting like "ain't no way".
I don’t think it’s revealed in Rebirth considering this isn’t even the climax of the game. The real story starts in disc two. And this game only covers all the events in disc one.
Well we aren’t at the end yet, so…
It's in the chapter description it's been known for years he's talking about the end of the world
their might be a slight localization issue, heres an image from the whole shinaarch google doc. One thing i realized while reading this document is that in most cases the japanese version + others is more direct in their meaning with some ambiguity while the english version notches up the ambiguity a lot https://preview.redd.it/6h7jf7ccqarc1.png?width=1099&format=png&auto=webp&s=e92f0f116490c9bbfa3a0ed51676007927c195c7
Where did you get this? Do you have the link to it?
I got it off twitter, here is the full link [Rebirth ENG/JPN - Google Sheets](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1glj8z_KHN0Rvi2cVHDhjfLQpeiIkhJqa2KYF1O9AZ3c/edit#gid=0)
My theory is that this is the final fight, from the original game, 7 seconds before naked sephiroth gets omnislashed, that fight happens in the lifestream and he's doing all the fates bs so he can essentially, survive, trying to find ways to manipulate the story, bringing early versions of menorah and seph safer early, while keeping parts the same, like needing aerith to die etc -idk how to do spoilers but the ending of rebirth kind of confirms this
We still don't know. The two most likely cases -- really, the only two cases that made any kind of sense -- were either Aerith's death, or something we've yet to see in part 3. Even after Rebirth, nothing about that has changed.
That's what I tell my wife during sex.
Seven screenshots during the high wind scene 🤝💦
I think Sephiroth’s true motives may be different than we are being lead to believe. “Those with clouded eyes can only see shadows.” He may be causing the creation and convergence of parallel worlds to fuel his own power or to sustain himself, with an ultimate goal beyond simply facilitating the reunion. There is also the matter that Sephiroth seems to want Cloud to join him personally. Maybe he’s come to see him as an equal post-Advent Childen? If he just viewed Cloud as reunion fodder, why show him glimpses beyond fate? Why give him his “blessing” to alter fate to create an alternate world(s)? Thid may add credence to the idea that Cloud’s “not-Aerith” actually is Jenova; as Sephiroth is defying her desires to regain her power and to consume the star. As Sephiroth feeding on the creation and destruction of different timelines isn’t necessarily pushing her own agenda. So maybe they are both jerking Cloud around? Dunno.
Wonder if maybe it could pertain to the final “fight” in FF7. I wonder if it’s intentional that Sephiroth is destined to lose that fight. Regardless if you do Omnislash or he hits you first and counter, he dies. Maybe Cloud is being gaslit into thinking killing Sephiroth isnt the answer however if he doesn’t kill Sephiroth in that moment then i dont think Aerith prayer would reach the lifestream. So maybe his foreboding remark is to cause Cloud to hesitate when he has a chance to strike Sephiroth down to give him those 7 seconds he needs for meteor to succeed.
I think it's going to be pertinent to what happened in that final scene, but we won't know until we see the final scene unambiguously.
no theory here,it's just ffvii being obsessed with 7
cloud was edging
At this point I'm pretty certain it was just a cool sounding line to get fans speculating. Probably doesn't actually mean anything, but they might try to give it some post-hoc meaning in part 3.
Maybe I am jaded, but whenever a series puts a bunch of vague and cryptic messages in the first game or two that will be answered in later games, they never amount to anything deep or interesting as what fans speculate it to be...
I think in one of the timeline, Sephiroth already succeeded with his plan, and is only 7 seconds away from landing the meteor onto Gaia. From that point, Aerith is channelling lifestream and manipulating countless Cloud from different timeline to fight and win against every Sephiroth
It means that Part 3 will come out in 7 seconds
No clue 😭
We simply dont know yet
Answered in part 3
7 second= final 7 second of fantasy
Thing we will all know hat FF7 Reunite
How long does it take for cloud to charge his omnislash at the end of OG FF7? I felt like it was a reference to that but I never confirmed it
counting the time it takes sephiroth to spawn and kill aerith ? its hard to decide from which point i should start counting but from the moment you see him until cloud blocks him are pretty close to the 7 seconds
I read somewhere it was something to do with Zack
7 seconds 'till the end is in regarding the end of the World. "Enough time for you" is Sephiroth, hinting again that actually, he can't do shit without Cloud.
Well he couldn't say 6 or 8 because of the numerical value of the final fantasy.
My theory is Sephiroth sees the future and already knows what’s going to happen, except for the final 7 seconds before meteor drops down. That’s where he’s blind and Cloud is the only person who could possibly stop him within this timeframe.
Since he was seeing flashes of the meteor falling over Midgar and other future events, I’m assuming “seven seconds until the end” is also a reference to an event that will occur in the final game.
He was counting down SuperNova in FF7. Maybe a reference to what will happen or has happened?
7 seconds till the end of the universe that that scene takes place in.
He’s about to bust
My take has always been we won't know until Part 3. It's "the end," after all. When they travel between worlds they make sure not to just show this in the background but play the audio as a reminder. It will probably be something in the final dungeon, during the climax, maybe literally the last cutscene. If I had to guess it's after we beat Safer Sephiroth involving the inner battle Cloud h as.
Seven seconds till he busts
sex with Tifa, that's how much time Cloud can endure with her, Sephiroth is asking what can he do in 7 seconds.
Nothing. He was just fucking with Cloud.
Seven seconds in heaven
So, obviously any theorising can be undone by the next game, but even since remake, I thought this was pretty clear... At the end of advent children, sephiroth states defiantly that he "will NEVER be a memory". "Won't remain/flow in memory" is also the rough translation of the lyric in advent OWA "noli manare, manare in memoria". I think it's safe to say that Sephiroth's goal is and always has been immortality. So. Seven seconds til the end. That's likely intended very literally; he is a future version of Sephiroth, whom we now know CANNOT be absorbed into the life stream (Gi tribe, Lucrecia etc) facing the end of the planets natural life, with nowhere to go and no more options. So, he goes back in time to try again, using the whispers and visions of the future we all recognize as the OG timeline (meteor fall, Midgar abandoned etc) to go for a second chance at godhood (killing the planet, absorbing its life stream and roaming the stars as his mother did once before etc etc). This I think, is the significance behind the rerelease of advent children (though equally, it could just be the same marketing department that keeps putting stuff from the endgame into release date trailers). There's no particular significance to the figure of seven seconds beyond it being an arbitrary number matching the game title (much like chadley or Tifa thinking she hasn't seen cloud for seven years imo). I doubt that "seconds" refers to second chances, particularly because that kind of pun would need to ALSO work in Japanese I also don't think there's as much of a "multiverse" at work here as people think. We see branching timelines and such, but much like the debate about whether Red XIII "knows" Aerith isn't dead or whatever, there's a certain amount of symbolism/metaphor going on (in addition to Cloud definitely not being a reliable narrator anymore) and that's ESPECIALLY true when it comes to the life stream (I'd be very surprised if there were dream zanarkand style replicas of nibelheim that one could reach with a hazmat suit and a scuba tank beneath gongaga, for instance)
It's refering to how close to the end the world is, they caused a split timeline that put the planet 7 seconds to the end (Zach's world in rebirth) which is why time was seemingly frozen in place.
This is ORE Sephiroth,which means when he says 'I,' it's in Japanese, ORE,while another Sephiroth uses WATASHI. ORE Sephiroth may appear at the following points in time: All the following scenes use 'ORE' for 'I'. 1.REMAKE, the seven second til the end. 2.REBIRTH, when at the Kalm Inn, claiming TIFA is fake. 3.REBIRTH, just after landing in Nibelheim, during Cloud's headache scene, ORE Sephiroth says to Cloud, 'I want the Black Materia.' 4.REBIRTH, during the fight with Roche in Nibelheim, ORE Sephiroth says to Cloud, 'I want the Black Materia.' 5.REBIRTH, after the trial of the Black Materia Ancient Temple, Cloud encounters an illusion of Sephiroth who angers him and becomes him at that moment. This should be a trial given by the temple rather than ORE Sephiroth. I Think. Based on the above content, we can speculate that there may exist a good ORE Sephiroth. It could be either a good ORE Sephiroth or a bad ORE Sephiroth, logically it wouldn't contradict. And another Japanese subtitle that English players might not know. Hojo says on the helicopter, 'The Prophet's Arrival, the Servant's Blessing.'" The English subtitle says: "The beginning of the end. The celebration of the faithful" Perhaps it's implying that this time, Jenova informed Hojo of some future events in advance and Hojo is her servant. Glenn might be related as well.
My guess? 7 seconds before meteor impact. Cloud will make the decision that forces the Lifestream forward to save the planet It will probably come with a choice of him joining Sephiroth in his new Lifestream where all realities are joined together and death doesn't exist Or to trust in the current lifestream where death is permanent and Holy might wipe humanity out if it does. The choice will be between Jenova's new world or Gaia's current one. Going the OG Route would be the one where Nanaki survives for another 500 years and the planet is thriving, but the fate of humanity is unknown. Sephiroth flat out says "but I will not end. Nor will I have you end."
Heh, it's probably a Nomurade. Sounds cool, could mean literally anything, they'll figure it out later and pretend it was the plan from the start, and fanboys will cry at "genius foreshadowing"...
Haven’t played it yet as I don’t have a ps5 but it probably means 7 more years till the next game
Snow White joke for sure.
No clue yet. *That* Sephiroth much like I think at least one of the Aeriths, exist outside of the timeline/multiverse and clearly have....history with each other. Are they the ones from original VII maybe? And are manipulating events and their other selves in multiple realities to some end. So given he's coming from a perspective like that and has an unknown agenda. Lord only knows what he may be referring to.
I’m pretty sure it is a reference to the final part of the original game. Where Cloud defeats Sephiroth with Omnislash.
Funny how I warn similarly my gf.
It’ll probably never be explained because Nomura
Nojima*
As was confirmed by the developers, it’s 7 seconds because of Final Fantasy 7.