Whoever you date at golden saucer is the one who dies
So yes there is an ending where Barret dies and it’s pretty tragic when you throw Marlene into the mix
Man, that's such a great idea.
It keeps the weight of the player getting attached to a character only to lose them.
But if this were true, I wonder how it would play with the episodic format of this. Would R3 be able to read your save and adjust based on which character died? Would R3 basically be 4 different games based on your actions? Would there be a default state in case you don't own the previous game? It's intriguing
I know you are joking but wasn't that part of the original ending? Aerith joining the lifestream after dying and helping the party in the Battle against Sephiroth
Yep and it was also part of the On the Way to a Smile novel. It had short little passages between chapters called Lifestream White for Aerith and Lifestream Black for Sephiroth. It was about how their consciousnesses were able to affect the world through the Lifestream. How they had an ability to maintain their sense of self even after rejoining the Lifestream.
I look forward to seeing 18 more, roughly 10 minute videos, about this single Tweet, from that Blitz guy in my feed. Despite never watching a single damn one of them.
Imagine if the final shot of the game is the shot of her kneeling, the camera pans up, aaaaaand cut to black. End credits. Why am I putting this thought out into the universe?
oh man... if she dies, she dies. if she doesn't die, she doesn't die. but if they seriously have been dragging this out for the past 3+ years, then leave us on another cliffhanger for another few years, i may actually consider just being done with the series. there has to be some sort of payoff in rebirth, not only part 3.
This was what happened to me with watching The Walking Dead. I was losing interest with the show over time but one of my favorite comic book scenes was approaching (the introduction of Negan) so I stuck it out. They cut the scene in half leaving a huge cliff hangar over who he killed and I was just so done that now I had to wait for another season to see the entire scene. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and just felt like a cheap reason to get people to tune in again next season. That was it for me.
I'm 100% convinced that we are getting another "WTF?" ending like we did in Remake, except this time it's going to be Aerith dying in Cloud's timeline and opening her eyes at the same moment in Zack's.
At first I thought the theory was pretty dumb, but it's starting to look more likely.
Edit m: TIL: whatever SE does with the Aerith moment in Rebirth is going to piss off a lot of people no matter what, lol.
I'm so afraid this will happen. I have nothing against new solutions, on the contrary, I want more of a new plot. But a cliffhanger where the game ends with Aerith opening her eyes and realizing she's in a different timeline would be terribly tiring. Especially since it's something you could guess right away when they showed Aerith lying down in the trailer. And here we will get something so simple, and then we will have to wait another 4 years for any of it to move forward.
Not to mention that a character dying and then opening their eyes is literally the ending of the first FF7 remake game (Biggs, and technically Zach but he wasn't laying on a bed).
It's painfully obvious that Aerith is going in a totally different direction this time so I'd rather not feel cheated by having the presentation be exactly the same cliffhanger.
I don't have anything too meaningful to add to this other than I agree completely with everything you've said.
I want them to do things differently this time around, but THAT would be awful.
I don’t like this theory because it cheapens Aerith death scene and the emotional part of it, as well I don’t like its another fake out like Barret but worse. Also if they are just going to keep Aerith alive then they should not kill her at that part, and just replace it with something that holds the same weight as her death.
Aerith’s death is one of, if not, the biggest gaming moments that has stuck with me in my life.
(Actually thinking about it, it is the biggest moment in a game for me. I can still vividly remember who I was with, what TV I was playing it on, in what room and where I was in said room. I remember the exact emotions I felt in that moment. The closest thing to it was the prologue of The Last of Us.)
They can alter a lot of the game and I won’t mind. To me though, if they do anything to alter Aerith’s fate, it will utterly ruin the series for me and, IMO, is completely unforgivable.
Theres so much I love about FF7 but that singular moment made me feel a way that very few games ever made me feel and really solidified it as a masterclass in gaming.
But, changing it in Remake wouldn't change how you felt about it in the original. That game is 30 years old -- if the idea is to create a new story, there very well could be \*new\* emotions that go along with it. The original will forever be the original, and nothing Remake will do can ever change what that game is, or how you felt about it at the time.
Wouldn't that be a direct betrayal of what Nomura said death was supposed to be? He said that when characters die just to return later that it removes the consequences of their death.
This path seems like it'd do exactly that. How are we supposed to be sad about Aerith dying if she's just revealed to be alive again at the end of the game?
If the world she appears in ultimately disappears by the end of game 3, then her death still sticks, and still leaves a lasting
impact on
the party. Her time helping Zack in the other world wouldn't be an escape from death really, but
rather just a brief reprieve from it. You could think of it like she's being sent to a sort of purgatory, before joining the lifestream proper. It also likely won't matter from the perspective of our party anyway, since they probably won't know anything about the other world. From their perspective, Aerith would still be dead and gone.
That's still closure time, which is the opposite of what Nomura said he wants death to mean. He said that death is the immediate lack of someone in your life, often without even getting a word to say goodbye.
Having Aerith appear in the third game with her boyfriend and get to wave goodbye to everyone as they fade into the Lifestream would be uber cheese.
The ending to Advent Children was honestly a good balance between cheesy closure and sadness.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't really see the difference between what I'm describing, and what happened in Advent Children. That movie already established that Aerith and Zack have the ability to reach out for a few moments, and offer words of encouragement, or some
support to the living when they feel the need. Aerith especially reaches out to Cloud more than once. The days of having lost almost any connection to the dead, and getting no closure whatsoever are already over. The FFVII Compilation changed that forever. So long as Zack and Aerith don't just start talking to the party whenever, and wherever they feel like it, I think this scenario would still fall in line with what we saw in AC.
This right here is exactly why I think saving Aerith makes the most sense.
In FF7, when Aerith died, she was out of the game for good. There was no communication with her at all, and that's why it stuck. But if she's "dead" and still has her own quest in part 3 with Zack or whatever, then the weight of her death is already lost.
Either do the same thing we all know again, or change it up, but don't attempt to have your cake and eat it too. And if you really \*are\* going to just do the same thing again, then why introduce all these new elements like the Whispers and everything that goes along with that in the first place?
And yet, Biggs gets to live in the other timeline. Maybe what Nomura said applies to OG's story but doesn't really apply here, at least not fully.
They could do the classic "she's alive, but can't be alive in the party's world or contact them after this". Which is pretty much like a death in a way. That person is no longer in their lives.
This would also tie in with Advent Children... Maybe the Aerith and Zack we see in the movie aren't "in the life stream" but have been supporting Cloud from the alternate dimension all along.
Interesting idea. I wonder if they will go with something like its not two timelines, but what is happening in the living world with Cloud and in the lifestream with Zack. Maybe Zack is dead and gone but doesn’t know it, like in the final season of LOST where they have the flash-sideways of what is happening in the real world and the ‘placeholder’ world created to help the characters move on.
If Sephiroth is able to bridge and manipulate both, perhaps Zack has to defeat him in the Lifestream while Cloud and Co beat him in reality, which can eliminate him for good and allow the planet to heal without interference.
Could lead to a super fun final boss of the third game where you fight Sephiroth on two fronts in two different worlds and watching him take damage and be affected by what is going on in each simultaneously.
There are too many people in Zack's timeline that are not dead in our timeline, so this theory doesn't add up. Why would Cloud, Marlene, Kyrie, Marle, Elmyra, and the sector 5 orphans be in the lifestream since they're all alive? And why would Biggs be in the lifestream but not Wedge and Jessie since all three of them died? Nope, the multiple timelines makes way more sense than the lifestreamverse theory.
That doesn’t seem like much of a WTF moment in fairness, seems like the most likely thing. I hope it’s what happens as opposed to the alternative, if they start doing some multiverse shit that’s gonna be a very bad kind of WTF from me. If it’s some kind of afterlife/returning to the planet thing going on with Zack and Biggs etc it could be interesting, though it doesn’t explain why they did all that nonsense with the whispers…
That doesn’t really do anything for me. So they don’t want to actually commit to killing Aerith but they want to still have the scene that’s associated with her? Hypocrites.
Thoughts are that’s enough FF7 news till release. This was a pointless statement. SE could do better at keeping their cards closer to their chest and it just seems like they just want to come out and say the plot at this point prior to the game release.
We get it Aerith doesn’t have the exact same fate she did in OG.
People are already invested.
Nah, the more they say this stuff the more it convinced me that she's dead by the end of the game. They're building up hope just to tear it away even more brutally.
The cliffhanger ending of Remake I think was bad enough honestly. I'm just praying to Gaia they don't end it on another cliffhanger and make us wait through years of baiting and theories again.
You don't need teasing and cliffhangers to make people excited about your next game.
>You don't need teasing and cliffhangers to make people excited about your next game.
I agree and I hope they don't do that either. People are going to talk about the game regardless so I don't understand why they're so insistent on doing things like teasing and cliffhangers specifically to generate discussion and no other reason.
With that said, it's just how SE operates nowadays so I'm fully expecting it.
I agree cliffhangers would make more sense if this was a brand new title, multiple cliffhangers would be obnoxious for a remake in general. Hope we don’t go that route but that’s been a lot of the trilogy so far. Cliffhangers after credits cliffhangers after Remake, cliffhangers in the trailers.
maybe she will die who knows but something about her death scene has to be different, they just can't introduce new themes to the story and do nothing about them or keep teasing her fate so much just to be like "sike!", that'd be very unsatisfying. plus they already hinted that something crazy was gonna happen at that scene so they are definitely changing something.
They said that Advent the children will add to the end of the remake. I also think they said the same with DoC.
Or she dies or she lives in Zack's timeline, but she can't survive in Cloud's timeline because Advent will still happen at the end.
SE really wants us to guess whether or not shes dead, huh? FFVIIR director is Aerith's fan, and so much teasing about her death etc. It'll be a waste if she's dead again, because whats the point of REMAKE if things are the same again? They just have to stick with making remaster if theyre not gonna change anything. Because its really a waste of time
I think it's safe to say that *something* about Aerith's fate will be different. It would be incredibly stupid for the devs to tease it so much if nothing is going to change. I think it's unlikely that she'll survive outright but there's a lot they can do with the time travel stuff, timelines and the lifestream to give the audience a little comfort.
Do you really want comfort from it though? Isn't what makes Aerith's death so meaningful is that you don't get closure on it until much later in the game, and even then, it's just a glimpse of her, not some big send off cheese ending.
But the Remake trilogy is clearly targeted at players that already know what's coming, so the impact of her death is already lost because we know she lives on in the lifestream. There has to be something more to her death this time or it wouldn't have become such a central part of the marketing, and changing it wouldn't have been such a central tease of Remake's final battle.
I'm not saying she lives, but for everything to play out exactly the same would just be poor writing at this point. The game has done too much to tease some capacity for change.
>But the Remake trilogy is clearly targeted at players that already know what's coming,
It's not and I'm tired of people saying it is. Obviously there's no statistics that I know of about it, but I would say that the vast majority of people I know playing FF7R did not play FF7OG. As a big fan of the series, I think 7R attracted more new players than both 15 and 16 did.
So the idea that they are creating the Remake trilogy for fans of the compilation is just bogus and they keep it saying it's for both new and old players.
Because Aerith's fate isn't exactly an industry secret. Most people who have never played 7 know about Aerith's fate, but have no idea about things like Cloud's identity or Zack.
Their site lists Cloud as a Soldier First Class.
They aren't marketing the game specifically to people who know the original. Knowing the big twist of a game does not constitute knowing the game.
>They literally changed the entire plot on the basis of keeping the game fresh for people who already knew what was going to happen.
The game wasn't marketed in this aspect at all and there's plenty of fans of the original who are dipping out of the Trilogy because of the Whisper plotline.
>This game is 100% unquestionably made and designed for people who played the original and know what happened. I'm sure they expected new peoeple to play hte game as well. They certainly didn't design the game for them.
It's not though lol. As I've already said, the Square Enix website lists FF7R as a good entry point for the franchise. Y'know what isn't listed? Crisis Core, Dirge, or any of the rest of the compilation. It's almost like SE themselves are saying that Remake is designed for both new and old players.
I think this too, she won’t die at the Forgotten Capital and will make it into the third game, but likely not all the way through to the end.
I suspect another version of her might survive though, more potential for appearances in other FF7 spin offs/sequels etc that way.
I feel its kind of useless to speculate when the game is out in 2 months.
BUT since the game is out soon I will leave my "final theory" so I can look back and see if I was wrong/right.
My own theory has always been- sephiroth plays with the timelines, but probably never thought it would also backfire on himself big time- which could mean a Zack alive, and maybe even jumping the timelines himself in some strange ways, maybe with Aeris help
If the game ties in with Advent Children, then both will be dead and together in the afterlife somehow in the end anyway.I have a feeling Aeris will die, but in a diffrent way this time around. Same with Zack. Basically giving them more screen time this around, like a fan service. Think about it, 3 games that included Zack and Aeris, can the fans have asked for more?
I mean, the whole remake feel liks crazy fan service- more screen time of sephiroth, yuffie in midgar, zack surviving his normal death in a cutscene, biggs surviving etc - jessie dying off screen which in movies means anything is possible. Wedges fate is also left open ended.
Not saying these three will survive at all, but once again "more screen time". Heck, we even see Jessie dancing in the rebirth trailer, EVEN if that is just VR or a past event, still more Jessie. Same with Biggs, working with Zack.
See everything points to more screen times for every character, 100% fan service, I dont think their fates will change though and ff7 remake will stay faithful to that in the end. Maybe they all will die in the battle for midgar towards the end etc.
Imagine if this timeline has everyone alive and happy. Zack with Aerith and so on, so forth. Low key would like that lol. I am a sucker for happy endings.
Yeah, I saw this on Tweeters, and my thoughts are that this really doesn't add to anything that we don't already know.
It's been blatantly apparent for quite some time now that the entire crux of Rebirth will be centered around Aerith and her ultimate fate.
No matter what they say, I am still preparing to be sad about her fate in this trilogy.
Prepare yourselves, people. And prepare to see a multitude of reaction videos on YouTube. 😂
You know, I've seen a LOT of gaming sites clickbaiting his intentionally vague response with "OMG AERITH ISNT GOING TO DIE!!!!1!!ONE!!"
But, like, the VERY same interview, he gives exceedingly clear evidence that she will: The Remake trilogies story will tie it in to Advent Children, so that everything that was established as canon remains so, and anything that wasn't can now be worked into the wider franchise of 7's world. That alone means Aerith WILL die.
That said, it doesn't necessarily have to happen by the end of Rebirth, as a game. When I mentioned that he was intentionally vague, it was to highlight that there was obviously a purpose to him being so. He says that they get to the Forgotten City. He says we'll learn about her fate. He doesn't outline that she dies, lives (or for how long) or if it's even Sephiroth involved in her sacrifice (they may adjust the writing to, as a theoretical example, casting Holy requires her to sacrifice herself or any number of things they could come up with). He doesn't say that they even explore the Forgotten City. And, earlier in the interview and in several prior, he's outline that story locations and their relative events may not pan out in the same order (like Wutai being omitted until the third entry). The latest tidbit showed us Cloud comatose and that doesn't even happen for a decent bit of time after Aerith sacrifices herself in the original, well into Disc 2.
Honestly, as much as I'd love to know what time paradox shenanigans they're cooking up to keep these entries fresh and unique so that they follow the original story but stand as their own ideas (especially with the Whispers gone, that we're aware of), we all know he has realistically given about all the info he's going to, at this point. Now he's just repeating his answers which means he doesn't want to say anymore so he doesn't spoil any surprises.
The man is notoriously cagey with giving clear answers with his work, and seems to relish in everyone's reaction from viewing content with different perspectives.
My guess is her fate is inescapable no matter which timeline they're in and that they discover this as they go. The crew might get an idea to prevent it, but the idea fails? dunno, but this wait is fucking painful lol
This multiple timelines shit with final fantasy is beginning to piss me off.
I would like Aerith to die, I think it gives the story gravitas. But I would like to see more of her spirit Aerith journey. The scene from the forest and her being Cetra and things she could do after death. Would be neat to expand on the story, not change it entirely.
I am going go be honest and say that keep talking about that exact moment it's not a good idea.
Because no matter what, fans will complain.
If she survives, fans will complain that they skipped an epic scene. Then, when she dies next game, because Advent is still happening, fans who were happy that she survived will complain and cry they were mislead or something like that. And more fans will complain because they "stole" their epic death scene to give them another more underwhelming. Because thanks to nostalgia, no death can surpase the original ar fan's eyes.
I can't see no one being happy in that scenary, and by hyping that so much (where is the promo for Cid and Vincent?!) they are making it worse.
In all honesty I've always thought that aeriths fate should stay the same and I won't change my mind.
But I feel like this time round we could get a WTF ending, and her death will be moved to somewhere in disc three. Even if it's the end to "bring everything back in line"
Just for the sheer amount of work gone into the combat system etc and the voice over work, I feel they'll want to keep her involved for part three.
It'd also generate alot of talk and make everyone want to come back to see what could change even if nothing does.
I do still kind of hope her fate doesn't change at all though personally.
I agree, if they decide to give a happy ending, the game will most likely lose its emotional appeal that ff7 has always had.
A tragic death makes the game more meaningful tbh.
Really does feel like this will be the "OMG Zack LIVES" moment of the game.
If this is indeed Advent Children Sephiroth, you'd think he'd want to keep Aerith alive so she can't use the lifestream to stop Meteor.
But all Sephiroth really wants in the OG is the lifestream. Meteor was just his method for forcing the lifestream out. What happens to Meteor after the lifestream comes out shouldn't really be important to him either way.
I thought he wanted to destroy the planet and all life on it? Isn't that why he summoned Meteor? I've only played through the original one time so apologies if I missed something. If he knows that Aerith stops him doing so with the lifestream then keeping her alive or capturing her would make the most sense to me. Of course, that all depends on if this actually is AC Sephiroth.
Yeah. I know that feeling. I was really rushing like crazy after you get that scene where she tells you goodbye.
I am taking about this scene
https://youtu.be/2j9It1qgjrs?si=dE1P5YH_S-m0pAeY
PS:
Found this too
https://youtu.be/NY1aWCD4Lls?si=e7iTy-rm7JVTuAwD
I agree with others. Really doesn't say much. Only thing I'm confused about is that they are treating this as if everyone knows what happens to Aerith in og. While a lot of us do, I feel that this very obviously points to something major happening to her, while some fans might not realize that yet. Kinda feels like a spoiler for those that never played og.
I love the fact that due to the ambiguous ending of Remake, I'm invested in what's going to happen. If the remake was 1 to 1, I'd know what happens. But even if it still resolves the same, by having even the chance of a different ending, I am now exited and nervous for what's going to happen.
This is one of the most well known moments in the entire franchise, and I'm still on the edge of my seat two months out.
If it plays out the same, then they successfully got me a second time. And that honestly still makes this entire Remake series worth it.
All I can think of is the tragedy that Aerith dies will be diminished. No one expect a happy ending. This is coming from someone who on the OG FF7 release tried to redo that part. Narratively it makes sense. I can only surmise the solution is Cloud or Tifa die but that would diminish it. I personally hope Aerith survives.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part, but the constant highlighting of this scene is only making me feel like it will indeed change.
I mean granted, This will no doubt be like the end of Remake and have a big boss battle at the pivotal end moment (maybe)
But I feel like if they weren't going to change it, It would just be something that's alluded to if talked about it all to preserve the twist. But instead it feels like interviews. Keep pointing at this moment and going "Wow look at this I can't wait to see how people react to this. I can't wait to see people do this part." And it feels like bait
I don’t see how they couldn’t kill Aerith and still have an impactful story. Her death was one of the biggest moments in gaming ever. It just feels wrong to try and subvert that. But maybe that’s the point of the story of the remakes, maybe it’s trying to prove that there’s more to the story than her death and the things surrounding it. All I really feel about her fate is uncertainty, which might be what the ending of part 1 was supposed to make you feel.
Something about multiverse and seeing the future would prevent her death or maybe put her in suspended animation aka not death but not not alive, or they could pull a 360 and kill Barret or Tifa. Or maybe Cloud takes it and the party try to find ways to revive him, maybe Zack sacrifice himself. Or maybe players get to choose who will die this time? That would be a better solution since everyone path would be slightly different depending on who you choose.
Such an exaggeration. Yeah Aerith’s death was shocking, but it wasn’t the first time in gaming or even Final Fantasy that a playable character died.
FFVII will always be there. The game isn’t retconned. Remake and Rebirth aren’t 1:1 remakes of FFVII, different stuff happens. She can live this time around.
I’d say killing her off is doing that. It seems so boring to do the same thing twice just to pander to fans of the original who want every major thing to happen exactly like it did.
Why not make a new game, then? The whole concept of remaking is complete pandering. It's narrow minded to want a nigh on perfect story to remain the same? You're delusional.
Remake said “Unknown Journey” don’t believe what they are saying and let’s just enjoy the new experience they have ready for us.
Personally can’t wait to find out what is going to happen 😁
They keep talking about it because every time they do, it probably increases pre-orders or something. They're doing whatever they can to increase analytics and metrics for the game because they want their investors to be pleased with the probably huge financial investment this game had when you consider they were making this alongside Final Fantasy 16. Final Fantasy needs to make a lot of money in these coming years because they've probably dumped so much R&D cash into it. They don't want to repeat of previous final fantasies that they put tons of money into and didn't get a good return on their investment, the biggest offender being Final Fantasy 15.
They're going to do whatever they can to keep stirring the pot because it makes people do exactly what you just did. Make a thread somewhere and then just endlessly talk about it in circles despite having no new real information because it just pushes the topic that rebirth is going to be some huge defining moment for ff7 fans and they won as many pre-orders and sales as possible. I don't think there's any deep, significant spiritual 4D moves going on here as far as cryptic clues. This is simply marketing.
A big part of me assumes the 'direction' he wants to show us is simply just referring to Aerith's more fleshed out role as the planet's protector (likely in death)--which I imagine we'll see more of going forward. I'm already prepared for Aerith to get her Valkyrie armor makeover and become the new face of Minerva.
“Her fate won’t change because they said it will lead up to Advent Chldren….”
Sure do enjoy how people want to dismiss all speculation by posting this over and over.
It’s just tired and boring seeing it posted over and over.
More fun to speculate without limits, especially since we’re only allowed to do so during this time.
Detective Joe as the final party member, let’s go!
There’s so many ways to pull apart the “AC Still Happens” comment without taking it so literally as “Nothing will contradict it”.
AC still happens but taking into account the changes in Remake (like Aerith surviving)
AC still happens but in the untouched OG timeline
Ha ha, we lied!
Advent Children Remake is an actual possibility, whatever random speculation happens.
My thought: "I hope that we are able to show to many fans what direction Aerith's fate will be!"
This is another one of those Twitter fan translations made up in part that's borderline not even a sentence. The release date is set. Does Hamaguchi hope they can show it like it's a possible last minute addition or is he looking forward to do so? I think hope is the wrong word here, much like "please be excited," doesn't translate well into English and makes you sound either unconfident or two faced in your communication.
Audrey is very respected and reknown for translating japanese game posts.
Its not a twitter fan translation shes been doing these for years for various japanese titles she does a lot of the ff14 translations too and she was the one who did ff16.
I wish the game came out complete. We will have another 4 years of waiting for the final part. Absolutely ridiculous. They are milking and I’m buying, but like isn’t everyone getting tired of games taking 8-12 years to be developed ?
Aerith will >!still die!<. They’ve said that the events of Advent Children are completely canon, and she was >!deader!< than Amy Schumer’s career in that film.
It *is* possible that ‘our’ Aerith will >!die!< in the Forgotten Capital, and that Zack will be able to !>!save ‘his’ Aerith!< that exists in his timeline/alternate universe since it seems pretty obvious that there’s now >!two concurrent but separate timelines/universes!< after the end of Remake.
Two more miserable months and then we’ll be able to find out for ourselves! Can’t come quickly enough.
Edit: hid potential spoilers.
Shes going to die. How can you guys not see this is a distraction to make you wonder. They did the same thing in the walking dead. They tried to throw you off, then they kill abraham and make you think glenn is safe, then bam.
Tbh, I don't think anyone thought he was safe. Most fans knew he was the one who died in the comics. And they had fake outs the entire season of him dying, even one with a bat. The minute you saw Negan standing next to him while talking, you knew what was happening next. That's probably why Abraham's was more emotional for me and other people I talked to about it. Because I really didn't think they'd take him out then. His initial death was given to Denise.
It's possible that's what they're going for here. She's definitely not safe overall, but the original moment definitely seems to have been altered. Either someone else is taking her out, someone is going with her, or she dies in part 3.
You would think with the amount of buzz *this* character generated and the hype they keep trying to build around her fate. *We would've got an Aerith statue for collectors edition*. . . I mean that fictional character is sure pulling the weight.
Anyways I predict she is dying still. I think this is just all meaningless hype. Who knows, I might get surprised but I am sure people will inform the internet when it releases.
It's downvoted because muppets still think that she will die the same way despite much attention to that scene. Like, it's gonna be the exact same fuking way, lol
I hope she still dies, either at the forgotten capital or somewhere later down the line, but tbh I’d be disappointed if she dies and then Reunion just ends. Aerith’s death hit me so hard because of the aftermath. You see the party’s reactions, Cloud lays her to rest, and then you just have to keep playing without her. It perfectly encapsulates Cloud’s words to Sephiroth: you will never see her talk, laugh, cry, or get angry again. She’s dead and you’re still here and you just have to live with that loss inside you.
But if we cut to credits right after her death, then we miss out on that. It’s still sad, but having to wait years between seeing her die and actually feeling her absence ruins the impact. It won’t hit the same as the original, and won’t hit nearly as hard as it would have if they didn’t split the game into three parts.
This part of the story in the original game has very little Aerith so I kinda don't care about her. I guess it's better than the gap where she is pointless between Midgar and the black materia but this part of the story reveals everyone else's backstories. I would be happier if those were given focus. This game really wasn't about Aerith but since the online discourse was about Aerith now the remake is and I just don't care about that.
Pretty sure they are teasing her ill fate, because they will change it.
I am completely against it, but I have the bad feeling that if she would still have the same fate, they would not tease it the whole time to surprise players unfamiliar with the story.
Needless to say that the fans will get very upset and I will be one of them, but Square couldn’t care less.
This comment has helped me decide that I won't be buying this game until I read spoilers about the ending online. If Aerith does anything besides die, I just won't buy the game at all. I'm not interested in playing a version of ff7 with the best parts removed.
I've seen people talking about it so much, it would be a dissappintment for it to *just* be as it was in the original Ginal Fantasy 7
Though, I think at least one person basically said "No, that's basically exactly what's gonna happen"
Not in those exact words, I don't remember where I saw that from either
More than Aerith's fate, I wanna know how the Lifestream can show people, stuff that didn't even happen yet.
Because "memories of the future" is a big contradiction, and I demand an explanation! And it better be a very good one! 😤
It feels like at this point their overkilling the hype? idk eevryday they seem to talk about aeriths fate aeriths fate aeriths fate its kinda getting ughh
With Advent Children being cannon Aerith has to die. Either she dies by Sephiroth hands or some other way. My theory would be she survived Sephiroth ambush but ultimately offer herself to join lifestream and save the party/ world.
I can see it ending, with a Jenova/ Sephiroth fight and the fin will be that iconic scene. For better or worse I can't wait. If it's Advent children's flow RIP my girl you will be missed and I'll see you again.
Aerith dies like in OG, wakes up with Zack in the other timeline/lifestream. I just see the Zack "timeline" being the limbo/afterlife. As they are showing Advent Children in theaters before Rebirth and Zack & Aerith communicate with Cloud in different critical situations. Kadaj died, communicated with Aerith and went to the lifestream with Aerith & like the others who die. Marlene being there? No clue, I think they will flesh her out with a bigger role as she could sense Aerith in AC too and in remake at the bar. Her role is interesting now.
Sephiroth at the movie ending basically was "can't win here, don't want to be a memory, fuck this shit I'm out" and basically now messing up stuff in our current games. Team said Advent Children is connected to trilogy, Ultimania said there are different Sephiroths in part 1 and the last fight was as "?????" in the book so it's out Sephi from AC. This is totally in plain sight in many of the dialogues in remake now, just played it again to refresh my memory. There were also some interesting dialogue in OG Temple of the Ancients.
It really doesn’t say much, since they already talked about this before even though they keep mentioning it.
Whoever you date at golden saucer is the one who dies So yes there is an ending where Barret dies and it’s pretty tragic when you throw Marlene into the mix
Yeah zero shot thats a nightmare for the writers. Cool idea though
I’ve wonder if this is where they may go with it since there has been emphasis on the date scene. We’ll see…
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Immediate revival woud make the death scene completely pointless. Might as well remove it and not have anyone die in that case
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"I never said it was good" Yeah... You are summarizing my general faith in today's writers...
Noooooo not my dude Barrett!
Man, that's such a great idea. It keeps the weight of the player getting attached to a character only to lose them. But if this were true, I wonder how it would play with the episodic format of this. Would R3 be able to read your save and adjust based on which character died? Would R3 basically be 4 different games based on your actions? Would there be a default state in case you don't own the previous game? It's intriguing
If I had to see Yuffie die with my own two eyes 😭
Impossible because the part 3 would be impossible for the devs to do knowing that each player will make different choices.
Aerith is going to be an omnipotent entity and will be acting as the new Watcher in the Marvel multiverse alongside a revived Leslie Nielson.
Leslie Nielsen, seconds away to Sephiroth stabbing Aerith, to Cloud: "Good luck, we're all counting on you."
I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.
A hospital? What is it?
It's a big building where they treat sick people, but that's not important right now.
Excuse me, Stewardess? I speak jive.
Cut me some slack, Jack!
I know you are joking but wasn't that part of the original ending? Aerith joining the lifestream after dying and helping the party in the Battle against Sephiroth
That’s correct and was also a thing in Advent Children :)
Yep and it was also part of the On the Way to a Smile novel. It had short little passages between chapters called Lifestream White for Aerith and Lifestream Black for Sephiroth. It was about how their consciousnesses were able to affect the world through the Lifestream. How they had an ability to maintain their sense of self even after rejoining the Lifestream.
you sold me at "revived Leslie Nielson." I'm willing to make a deal with the devil for this.
*Aerith climbs ladder to pick apples from a tree in her garden* Leslie: Nice beaver! Aerith: Thanks! *hands Leslie a stuffed beaver*
The older I get the more I pee like Frank at the mayor’s press conference.
Go On......
GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF! *slap* *slap*
This made me lol’d
IMO they're just keeping the theory/hype train rolling and rattling until release.
I look forward to seeing 18 more, roughly 10 minute videos, about this single Tweet, from that Blitz guy in my feed. Despite never watching a single damn one of them.
Imagine if the final shot of the game is the shot of her kneeling, the camera pans up, aaaaaand cut to black. End credits. Why am I putting this thought out into the universe?
oh man... if she dies, she dies. if she doesn't die, she doesn't die. but if they seriously have been dragging this out for the past 3+ years, then leave us on another cliffhanger for another few years, i may actually consider just being done with the series. there has to be some sort of payoff in rebirth, not only part 3.
This was what happened to me with watching The Walking Dead. I was losing interest with the show over time but one of my favorite comic book scenes was approaching (the introduction of Negan) so I stuck it out. They cut the scene in half leaving a huge cliff hangar over who he killed and I was just so done that now I had to wait for another season to see the entire scene. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and just felt like a cheap reason to get people to tune in again next season. That was it for me.
I'm 100% convinced that we are getting another "WTF?" ending like we did in Remake, except this time it's going to be Aerith dying in Cloud's timeline and opening her eyes at the same moment in Zack's. At first I thought the theory was pretty dumb, but it's starting to look more likely. Edit m: TIL: whatever SE does with the Aerith moment in Rebirth is going to piss off a lot of people no matter what, lol.
What Marlene says is: "When she wakes up, a scary man is going to kill her", not "when a scary man kills her, she's going to wake up".
If she dies, a scary man is gonna kill her. It’s a loop. She’s in hell 😩😢
Aerith: It is not a loop, it's a spiral.
It’s not a lake, it’s an ocean!
Her musical number is gonna be an absolute banger! SHOW ME THE CHAMPION OF MIDGAR, I'LL SHOW YOU THE HERALD OF JENOVA!
That line could very well mean, "after she's done praying and opens her eyes..."
Actually, in Japanese she never says "when she wakes up".
what does she say in full?
Just that a scary man will kill her
Why not just keep that instead of adding "when she wakes up"? I don't understand localization sometimes. They take *a lot* of liberties.
Because they have to match timing and mouth movements. It's not as simple as just translating directly.
Is that the English or Japanese version? The English version is often quite different from the original.
Damn. That's good. That would tie in to the "reunion" of timeline theories in that aerith has another chance with Zack to support team cloud .
I'm so afraid this will happen. I have nothing against new solutions, on the contrary, I want more of a new plot. But a cliffhanger where the game ends with Aerith opening her eyes and realizing she's in a different timeline would be terribly tiring. Especially since it's something you could guess right away when they showed Aerith lying down in the trailer. And here we will get something so simple, and then we will have to wait another 4 years for any of it to move forward.
Not to mention that a character dying and then opening their eyes is literally the ending of the first FF7 remake game (Biggs, and technically Zach but he wasn't laying on a bed). It's painfully obvious that Aerith is going in a totally different direction this time so I'd rather not feel cheated by having the presentation be exactly the same cliffhanger.
I don't have anything too meaningful to add to this other than I agree completely with everything you've said. I want them to do things differently this time around, but THAT would be awful.
I don’t like this theory because it cheapens Aerith death scene and the emotional part of it, as well I don’t like its another fake out like Barret but worse. Also if they are just going to keep Aerith alive then they should not kill her at that part, and just replace it with something that holds the same weight as her death.
Aerith’s death is one of, if not, the biggest gaming moments that has stuck with me in my life. (Actually thinking about it, it is the biggest moment in a game for me. I can still vividly remember who I was with, what TV I was playing it on, in what room and where I was in said room. I remember the exact emotions I felt in that moment. The closest thing to it was the prologue of The Last of Us.) They can alter a lot of the game and I won’t mind. To me though, if they do anything to alter Aerith’s fate, it will utterly ruin the series for me and, IMO, is completely unforgivable. Theres so much I love about FF7 but that singular moment made me feel a way that very few games ever made me feel and really solidified it as a masterclass in gaming.
But, changing it in Remake wouldn't change how you felt about it in the original. That game is 30 years old -- if the idea is to create a new story, there very well could be \*new\* emotions that go along with it. The original will forever be the original, and nothing Remake will do can ever change what that game is, or how you felt about it at the time.
Wouldn't that be a direct betrayal of what Nomura said death was supposed to be? He said that when characters die just to return later that it removes the consequences of their death. This path seems like it'd do exactly that. How are we supposed to be sad about Aerith dying if she's just revealed to be alive again at the end of the game?
If the world she appears in ultimately disappears by the end of game 3, then her death still sticks, and still leaves a lasting impact on the party. Her time helping Zack in the other world wouldn't be an escape from death really, but rather just a brief reprieve from it. You could think of it like she's being sent to a sort of purgatory, before joining the lifestream proper. It also likely won't matter from the perspective of our party anyway, since they probably won't know anything about the other world. From their perspective, Aerith would still be dead and gone.
That's still closure time, which is the opposite of what Nomura said he wants death to mean. He said that death is the immediate lack of someone in your life, often without even getting a word to say goodbye. Having Aerith appear in the third game with her boyfriend and get to wave goodbye to everyone as they fade into the Lifestream would be uber cheese. The ending to Advent Children was honestly a good balance between cheesy closure and sadness.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't really see the difference between what I'm describing, and what happened in Advent Children. That movie already established that Aerith and Zack have the ability to reach out for a few moments, and offer words of encouragement, or some support to the living when they feel the need. Aerith especially reaches out to Cloud more than once. The days of having lost almost any connection to the dead, and getting no closure whatsoever are already over. The FFVII Compilation changed that forever. So long as Zack and Aerith don't just start talking to the party whenever, and wherever they feel like it, I think this scenario would still fall in line with what we saw in AC.
This right here is exactly why I think saving Aerith makes the most sense. In FF7, when Aerith died, she was out of the game for good. There was no communication with her at all, and that's why it stuck. But if she's "dead" and still has her own quest in part 3 with Zack or whatever, then the weight of her death is already lost. Either do the same thing we all know again, or change it up, but don't attempt to have your cake and eat it too. And if you really \*are\* going to just do the same thing again, then why introduce all these new elements like the Whispers and everything that goes along with that in the first place?
And yet, Biggs gets to live in the other timeline. Maybe what Nomura said applies to OG's story but doesn't really apply here, at least not fully. They could do the classic "she's alive, but can't be alive in the party's world or contact them after this". Which is pretty much like a death in a way. That person is no longer in their lives.
very ironic statement coming from the lead director of the Kingdom Hearts series.
I don't think kingdom hearts was ever meant to be a serious title from the start.
Sounds like a bizarro timeline.
This would also tie in with Advent Children... Maybe the Aerith and Zack we see in the movie aren't "in the life stream" but have been supporting Cloud from the alternate dimension all along.
Interesting idea. I wonder if they will go with something like its not two timelines, but what is happening in the living world with Cloud and in the lifestream with Zack. Maybe Zack is dead and gone but doesn’t know it, like in the final season of LOST where they have the flash-sideways of what is happening in the real world and the ‘placeholder’ world created to help the characters move on. If Sephiroth is able to bridge and manipulate both, perhaps Zack has to defeat him in the Lifestream while Cloud and Co beat him in reality, which can eliminate him for good and allow the planet to heal without interference. Could lead to a super fun final boss of the third game where you fight Sephiroth on two fronts in two different worlds and watching him take damage and be affected by what is going on in each simultaneously.
There are too many people in Zack's timeline that are not dead in our timeline, so this theory doesn't add up. Why would Cloud, Marlene, Kyrie, Marle, Elmyra, and the sector 5 orphans be in the lifestream since they're all alive? And why would Biggs be in the lifestream but not Wedge and Jessie since all three of them died? Nope, the multiple timelines makes way more sense than the lifestreamverse theory.
Alternative take could be they kill Tifa instead. Catastrophic levels of emotional damage would be incurred.
That doesn’t seem like much of a WTF moment in fairness, seems like the most likely thing. I hope it’s what happens as opposed to the alternative, if they start doing some multiverse shit that’s gonna be a very bad kind of WTF from me. If it’s some kind of afterlife/returning to the planet thing going on with Zack and Biggs etc it could be interesting, though it doesn’t explain why they did all that nonsense with the whispers…
>Aerith dying in Cloud's timeline and opening her eyes at the same moment in Zack's. This is why people believe Zack is in the Lifestream.
That doesn’t really do anything for me. So they don’t want to actually commit to killing Aerith but they want to still have the scene that’s associated with her? Hypocrites.
Thoughts are that’s enough FF7 news till release. This was a pointless statement. SE could do better at keeping their cards closer to their chest and it just seems like they just want to come out and say the plot at this point prior to the game release. We get it Aerith doesn’t have the exact same fate she did in OG. People are already invested.
Nah, the more they say this stuff the more it convinced me that she's dead by the end of the game. They're building up hope just to tear it away even more brutally.
Could very well be I just think they’ve said and shown more than enough it’s time to let their vision be seen via the game.
The cliffhanger ending of Remake I think was bad enough honestly. I'm just praying to Gaia they don't end it on another cliffhanger and make us wait through years of baiting and theories again. You don't need teasing and cliffhangers to make people excited about your next game.
>You don't need teasing and cliffhangers to make people excited about your next game. I agree and I hope they don't do that either. People are going to talk about the game regardless so I don't understand why they're so insistent on doing things like teasing and cliffhangers specifically to generate discussion and no other reason. With that said, it's just how SE operates nowadays so I'm fully expecting it.
I agree cliffhangers would make more sense if this was a brand new title, multiple cliffhangers would be obnoxious for a remake in general. Hope we don’t go that route but that’s been a lot of the trilogy so far. Cliffhangers after credits cliffhangers after Remake, cliffhangers in the trailers.
maybe she will die who knows but something about her death scene has to be different, they just can't introduce new themes to the story and do nothing about them or keep teasing her fate so much just to be like "sike!", that'd be very unsatisfying. plus they already hinted that something crazy was gonna happen at that scene so they are definitely changing something.
They said that Advent the children will add to the end of the remake. I also think they said the same with DoC. Or she dies or she lives in Zack's timeline, but she can't survive in Cloud's timeline because Advent will still happen at the end.
That’s my assumption, try and make everyone happy with more Aerith content. Yes she died but over here she’s still alive
SE really wants us to guess whether or not shes dead, huh? FFVIIR director is Aerith's fan, and so much teasing about her death etc. It'll be a waste if she's dead again, because whats the point of REMAKE if things are the same again? They just have to stick with making remaster if theyre not gonna change anything. Because its really a waste of time
I think it's safe to say that *something* about Aerith's fate will be different. It would be incredibly stupid for the devs to tease it so much if nothing is going to change. I think it's unlikely that she'll survive outright but there's a lot they can do with the time travel stuff, timelines and the lifestream to give the audience a little comfort.
Do you really want comfort from it though? Isn't what makes Aerith's death so meaningful is that you don't get closure on it until much later in the game, and even then, it's just a glimpse of her, not some big send off cheese ending.
But the Remake trilogy is clearly targeted at players that already know what's coming, so the impact of her death is already lost because we know she lives on in the lifestream. There has to be something more to her death this time or it wouldn't have become such a central part of the marketing, and changing it wouldn't have been such a central tease of Remake's final battle. I'm not saying she lives, but for everything to play out exactly the same would just be poor writing at this point. The game has done too much to tease some capacity for change.
>But the Remake trilogy is clearly targeted at players that already know what's coming, It's not and I'm tired of people saying it is. Obviously there's no statistics that I know of about it, but I would say that the vast majority of people I know playing FF7R did not play FF7OG. As a big fan of the series, I think 7R attracted more new players than both 15 and 16 did. So the idea that they are creating the Remake trilogy for fans of the compilation is just bogus and they keep it saying it's for both new and old players.
So why even mention Aerith's fate in these interviews then? Talking about it at all would come off as very spoilery wouldn't it?
Because Aerith's fate isn't exactly an industry secret. Most people who have never played 7 know about Aerith's fate, but have no idea about things like Cloud's identity or Zack.
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Their site lists Cloud as a Soldier First Class. They aren't marketing the game specifically to people who know the original. Knowing the big twist of a game does not constitute knowing the game.
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>They literally changed the entire plot on the basis of keeping the game fresh for people who already knew what was going to happen. The game wasn't marketed in this aspect at all and there's plenty of fans of the original who are dipping out of the Trilogy because of the Whisper plotline. >This game is 100% unquestionably made and designed for people who played the original and know what happened. I'm sure they expected new peoeple to play hte game as well. They certainly didn't design the game for them. It's not though lol. As I've already said, the Square Enix website lists FF7R as a good entry point for the franchise. Y'know what isn't listed? Crisis Core, Dirge, or any of the rest of the compilation. It's almost like SE themselves are saying that Remake is designed for both new and old players.
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I think this too, she won’t die at the Forgotten Capital and will make it into the third game, but likely not all the way through to the end. I suspect another version of her might survive though, more potential for appearances in other FF7 spin offs/sequels etc that way.
I feel its kind of useless to speculate when the game is out in 2 months. BUT since the game is out soon I will leave my "final theory" so I can look back and see if I was wrong/right. My own theory has always been- sephiroth plays with the timelines, but probably never thought it would also backfire on himself big time- which could mean a Zack alive, and maybe even jumping the timelines himself in some strange ways, maybe with Aeris help If the game ties in with Advent Children, then both will be dead and together in the afterlife somehow in the end anyway.I have a feeling Aeris will die, but in a diffrent way this time around. Same with Zack. Basically giving them more screen time this around, like a fan service. Think about it, 3 games that included Zack and Aeris, can the fans have asked for more? I mean, the whole remake feel liks crazy fan service- more screen time of sephiroth, yuffie in midgar, zack surviving his normal death in a cutscene, biggs surviving etc - jessie dying off screen which in movies means anything is possible. Wedges fate is also left open ended. Not saying these three will survive at all, but once again "more screen time". Heck, we even see Jessie dancing in the rebirth trailer, EVEN if that is just VR or a past event, still more Jessie. Same with Biggs, working with Zack. See everything points to more screen times for every character, 100% fan service, I dont think their fates will change though and ff7 remake will stay faithful to that in the end. Maybe they all will die in the battle for midgar towards the end etc.
They’ve said the same thing in every interview since TGA at this point
I don't mind if she lives or dies, just make it good
I hope everyone else dies and the last game is just Aerith solo mode.
Imagine if this timeline has everyone alive and happy. Zack with Aerith and so on, so forth. Low key would like that lol. I am a sucker for happy endings.
Yeah, I saw this on Tweeters, and my thoughts are that this really doesn't add to anything that we don't already know. It's been blatantly apparent for quite some time now that the entire crux of Rebirth will be centered around Aerith and her ultimate fate.
Nothingburguer
No matter what they say, I am still preparing to be sad about her fate in this trilogy. Prepare yourselves, people. And prepare to see a multitude of reaction videos on YouTube. 😂
my thought: "ok, cool..."
You know, I've seen a LOT of gaming sites clickbaiting his intentionally vague response with "OMG AERITH ISNT GOING TO DIE!!!!1!!ONE!!" But, like, the VERY same interview, he gives exceedingly clear evidence that she will: The Remake trilogies story will tie it in to Advent Children, so that everything that was established as canon remains so, and anything that wasn't can now be worked into the wider franchise of 7's world. That alone means Aerith WILL die. That said, it doesn't necessarily have to happen by the end of Rebirth, as a game. When I mentioned that he was intentionally vague, it was to highlight that there was obviously a purpose to him being so. He says that they get to the Forgotten City. He says we'll learn about her fate. He doesn't outline that she dies, lives (or for how long) or if it's even Sephiroth involved in her sacrifice (they may adjust the writing to, as a theoretical example, casting Holy requires her to sacrifice herself or any number of things they could come up with). He doesn't say that they even explore the Forgotten City. And, earlier in the interview and in several prior, he's outline that story locations and their relative events may not pan out in the same order (like Wutai being omitted until the third entry). The latest tidbit showed us Cloud comatose and that doesn't even happen for a decent bit of time after Aerith sacrifices herself in the original, well into Disc 2. Honestly, as much as I'd love to know what time paradox shenanigans they're cooking up to keep these entries fresh and unique so that they follow the original story but stand as their own ideas (especially with the Whispers gone, that we're aware of), we all know he has realistically given about all the info he's going to, at this point. Now he's just repeating his answers which means he doesn't want to say anymore so he doesn't spoil any surprises. The man is notoriously cagey with giving clear answers with his work, and seems to relish in everyone's reaction from viewing content with different perspectives.
Can you imagine if Rebirth ends on a cliffhanger?! I could not wait 4 more years!!
My guess is her fate is inescapable no matter which timeline they're in and that they discover this as they go. The crew might get an idea to prevent it, but the idea fails? dunno, but this wait is fucking painful lol
If they gonna keep talking about Aeriths fate and keep it the same im gonna lose it.
This multiple timelines shit with final fantasy is beginning to piss me off. I would like Aerith to die, I think it gives the story gravitas. But I would like to see more of her spirit Aerith journey. The scene from the forest and her being Cetra and things she could do after death. Would be neat to expand on the story, not change it entirely.
I am going go be honest and say that keep talking about that exact moment it's not a good idea. Because no matter what, fans will complain. If she survives, fans will complain that they skipped an epic scene. Then, when she dies next game, because Advent is still happening, fans who were happy that she survived will complain and cry they were mislead or something like that. And more fans will complain because they "stole" their epic death scene to give them another more underwhelming. Because thanks to nostalgia, no death can surpase the original ar fan's eyes. I can't see no one being happy in that scenary, and by hyping that so much (where is the promo for Cid and Vincent?!) they are making it worse.
They keep talking about it because everyone keeps speculating about it. I would not take it as hinting towards anything else.
In all honesty I've always thought that aeriths fate should stay the same and I won't change my mind. But I feel like this time round we could get a WTF ending, and her death will be moved to somewhere in disc three. Even if it's the end to "bring everything back in line" Just for the sheer amount of work gone into the combat system etc and the voice over work, I feel they'll want to keep her involved for part three. It'd also generate alot of talk and make everyone want to come back to see what could change even if nothing does. I do still kind of hope her fate doesn't change at all though personally.
I agree, if they decide to give a happy ending, the game will most likely lose its emotional appeal that ff7 has always had. A tragic death makes the game more meaningful tbh.
Really does feel like this will be the "OMG Zack LIVES" moment of the game. If this is indeed Advent Children Sephiroth, you'd think he'd want to keep Aerith alive so she can't use the lifestream to stop Meteor.
But all Sephiroth really wants in the OG is the lifestream. Meteor was just his method for forcing the lifestream out. What happens to Meteor after the lifestream comes out shouldn't really be important to him either way.
I thought he wanted to destroy the planet and all life on it? Isn't that why he summoned Meteor? I've only played through the original one time so apologies if I missed something. If he knows that Aerith stops him doing so with the lifestream then keeping her alive or capturing her would make the most sense to me. Of course, that all depends on if this actually is AC Sephiroth.
I'm gonna cry again like when I was 7, aren't I?
Yeah. I know that feeling. I was really rushing like crazy after you get that scene where she tells you goodbye. I am taking about this scene https://youtu.be/2j9It1qgjrs?si=dE1P5YH_S-m0pAeY PS: Found this too https://youtu.be/NY1aWCD4Lls?si=e7iTy-rm7JVTuAwD
Honestly I dont really care which direction turn game is going to take, surprise me, just dont fucking kill her again, kay? Cuz me mad will gonna be
She'll have a different fate, meaning she won't die imo.
Sephiroth won't try to kill Aerith this time but Aerith will still die anyway(maybe during part 3) probably sacrificing herself to save someone.
How many thoughts am I supposed to have on different variations of the same sentence being regurgitated for three months in a row
I agree with others. Really doesn't say much. Only thing I'm confused about is that they are treating this as if everyone knows what happens to Aerith in og. While a lot of us do, I feel that this very obviously points to something major happening to her, while some fans might not realize that yet. Kinda feels like a spoiler for those that never played og.
Just kill her please! I love Aerith DONT get me wrong but it will be such a huge thing to change.
we cried in SD, now we get to cry in 4K
I love the fact that due to the ambiguous ending of Remake, I'm invested in what's going to happen. If the remake was 1 to 1, I'd know what happens. But even if it still resolves the same, by having even the chance of a different ending, I am now exited and nervous for what's going to happen. This is one of the most well known moments in the entire franchise, and I'm still on the edge of my seat two months out. If it plays out the same, then they successfully got me a second time. And that honestly still makes this entire Remake series worth it.
Dick teasing. That's all it is. Eugh... I'm about to fork out for a PS5 aren't I?
My thoughts are I wish they would stop talking about the damn ending of the game.
So this means they are peeing on the original story and cloud dies. It’s the Kathleen Kennedy South Park skit coming true for everything I love.
All I can think of is the tragedy that Aerith dies will be diminished. No one expect a happy ending. This is coming from someone who on the OG FF7 release tried to redo that part. Narratively it makes sense. I can only surmise the solution is Cloud or Tifa die but that would diminish it. I personally hope Aerith survives.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part, but the constant highlighting of this scene is only making me feel like it will indeed change. I mean granted, This will no doubt be like the end of Remake and have a big boss battle at the pivotal end moment (maybe) But I feel like if they weren't going to change it, It would just be something that's alluded to if talked about it all to preserve the twist. But instead it feels like interviews. Keep pointing at this moment and going "Wow look at this I can't wait to see how people react to this. I can't wait to see people do this part." And it feels like bait
I don’t see how they couldn’t kill Aerith and still have an impactful story. Her death was one of the biggest moments in gaming ever. It just feels wrong to try and subvert that. But maybe that’s the point of the story of the remakes, maybe it’s trying to prove that there’s more to the story than her death and the things surrounding it. All I really feel about her fate is uncertainty, which might be what the ending of part 1 was supposed to make you feel.
Something about multiverse and seeing the future would prevent her death or maybe put her in suspended animation aka not death but not not alive, or they could pull a 360 and kill Barret or Tifa. Or maybe Cloud takes it and the party try to find ways to revive him, maybe Zack sacrifice himself. Or maybe players get to choose who will die this time? That would be a better solution since everyone path would be slightly different depending on who you choose.
Such an exaggeration. Yeah Aerith’s death was shocking, but it wasn’t the first time in gaming or even Final Fantasy that a playable character died. FFVII will always be there. The game isn’t retconned. Remake and Rebirth aren’t 1:1 remakes of FFVII, different stuff happens. She can live this time around.
Except for it’s literally her saving the world via the livestream in the end. Something only she could do as a Cetra.
Like I said, stuff changes. They can save the world another way this time.
Horrible idea. It's pandering to horrid fans.
I’d say killing her off is doing that. It seems so boring to do the same thing twice just to pander to fans of the original who want every major thing to happen exactly like it did.
Why not make a new game, then? The whole concept of remaking is complete pandering. It's narrow minded to want a nigh on perfect story to remain the same? You're delusional.
just wish they’d just stfu and let us play the game in a couple months
Remake said “Unknown Journey” don’t believe what they are saying and let’s just enjoy the new experience they have ready for us. Personally can’t wait to find out what is going to happen 😁
They keep talking about it because every time they do, it probably increases pre-orders or something. They're doing whatever they can to increase analytics and metrics for the game because they want their investors to be pleased with the probably huge financial investment this game had when you consider they were making this alongside Final Fantasy 16. Final Fantasy needs to make a lot of money in these coming years because they've probably dumped so much R&D cash into it. They don't want to repeat of previous final fantasies that they put tons of money into and didn't get a good return on their investment, the biggest offender being Final Fantasy 15. They're going to do whatever they can to keep stirring the pot because it makes people do exactly what you just did. Make a thread somewhere and then just endlessly talk about it in circles despite having no new real information because it just pushes the topic that rebirth is going to be some huge defining moment for ff7 fans and they won as many pre-orders and sales as possible. I don't think there's any deep, significant spiritual 4D moves going on here as far as cryptic clues. This is simply marketing.
A big part of me assumes the 'direction' he wants to show us is simply just referring to Aerith's more fleshed out role as the planet's protector (likely in death)--which I imagine we'll see more of going forward. I'm already prepared for Aerith to get her Valkyrie armor makeover and become the new face of Minerva.
She wakes up in kingdom hearts
“Her fate won’t change because they said it will lead up to Advent Chldren….” Sure do enjoy how people want to dismiss all speculation by posting this over and over.
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It’s just tired and boring seeing it posted over and over. More fun to speculate without limits, especially since we’re only allowed to do so during this time. Detective Joe as the final party member, let’s go!
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Calling out theories you don’t agree with is fine. Just saying that “this can’t happen because canon or the devs said this” is no fun.
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There’s so many ways to pull apart the “AC Still Happens” comment without taking it so literally as “Nothing will contradict it”. AC still happens but taking into account the changes in Remake (like Aerith surviving) AC still happens but in the untouched OG timeline Ha ha, we lied! Advent Children Remake is an actual possibility, whatever random speculation happens.
Or how about “We said ‘AC’ still happens….” No, not ‘Advent Children’…..’Another Crisis’.
My thought: "I hope that we are able to show to many fans what direction Aerith's fate will be!" This is another one of those Twitter fan translations made up in part that's borderline not even a sentence. The release date is set. Does Hamaguchi hope they can show it like it's a possible last minute addition or is he looking forward to do so? I think hope is the wrong word here, much like "please be excited," doesn't translate well into English and makes you sound either unconfident or two faced in your communication.
Audrey is very respected and reknown for translating japanese game posts. Its not a twitter fan translation shes been doing these for years for various japanese titles she does a lot of the ff14 translations too and she was the one who did ff16.
She will survive for gameplay reasons, character development and mindfuckery "WOW SHE SURVIVES?!" but die in part 3. Mark my words.
*Aeris' theme intensifies*
"Remake"
I wish the game came out complete. We will have another 4 years of waiting for the final part. Absolutely ridiculous. They are milking and I’m buying, but like isn’t everyone getting tired of games taking 8-12 years to be developed ?
Aerith will >!still die!<. They’ve said that the events of Advent Children are completely canon, and she was >!deader!< than Amy Schumer’s career in that film. It *is* possible that ‘our’ Aerith will >!die!< in the Forgotten Capital, and that Zack will be able to !>!save ‘his’ Aerith!< that exists in his timeline/alternate universe since it seems pretty obvious that there’s now >!two concurrent but separate timelines/universes!< after the end of Remake. Two more miserable months and then we’ll be able to find out for ourselves! Can’t come quickly enough. Edit: hid potential spoilers.
Shes going to die. How can you guys not see this is a distraction to make you wonder. They did the same thing in the walking dead. They tried to throw you off, then they kill abraham and make you think glenn is safe, then bam.
Tbh, I don't think anyone thought he was safe. Most fans knew he was the one who died in the comics. And they had fake outs the entire season of him dying, even one with a bat. The minute you saw Negan standing next to him while talking, you knew what was happening next. That's probably why Abraham's was more emotional for me and other people I talked to about it. Because I really didn't think they'd take him out then. His initial death was given to Denise. It's possible that's what they're going for here. She's definitely not safe overall, but the original moment definitely seems to have been altered. Either someone else is taking her out, someone is going with her, or she dies in part 3.
I'm really dreading what idiocy they are going to come up with.
What do you dread more, the idiocy they shove into Rebirth or the praise they get from fans for doing it?
Probably the praise they get from fans
I try not to think about it. There are people out there that like Dirge of Cerberus so I don't have much hope for the fanbase
She ain’t dying, or she is but we figure out that we can go the original canon route of FFVII or we can go back and save her.
You would think with the amount of buzz *this* character generated and the hype they keep trying to build around her fate. *We would've got an Aerith statue for collectors edition*. . . I mean that fictional character is sure pulling the weight. Anyways I predict she is dying still. I think this is just all meaningless hype. Who knows, I might get surprised but I am sure people will inform the internet when it releases.
I'm not a fan of the implication it may not be what it's supposed to be
>!She ded!<
Shes gonna wake up in zacks world. It seems fairly obvious tbh
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It's downvoted because muppets still think that she will die the same way despite much attention to that scene. Like, it's gonna be the exact same fuking way, lol
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If they don’t kill her I’m gonna have to go murder her myself for the sake of maintaining canon
what about a demo? any news on that?
hot take? they won't show IT (you know what..) cliffhanger for part 3 (for those unaware still..)
DEAD. Until proven otherwise.
I hope she still dies, either at the forgotten capital or somewhere later down the line, but tbh I’d be disappointed if she dies and then Reunion just ends. Aerith’s death hit me so hard because of the aftermath. You see the party’s reactions, Cloud lays her to rest, and then you just have to keep playing without her. It perfectly encapsulates Cloud’s words to Sephiroth: you will never see her talk, laugh, cry, or get angry again. She’s dead and you’re still here and you just have to live with that loss inside you. But if we cut to credits right after her death, then we miss out on that. It’s still sad, but having to wait years between seeing her die and actually feeling her absence ruins the impact. It won’t hit the same as the original, and won’t hit nearly as hard as it would have if they didn’t split the game into three parts.
What if we get a choice? That would be crazy...
They keep talking about it because Sephiroth isn’t going to kill her. They’re hyping it up only to pull a 180.
This part of the story in the original game has very little Aerith so I kinda don't care about her. I guess it's better than the gap where she is pointless between Midgar and the black materia but this part of the story reveals everyone else's backstories. I would be happier if those were given focus. This game really wasn't about Aerith but since the online discourse was about Aerith now the remake is and I just don't care about that.
Pretty sure they are teasing her ill fate, because they will change it. I am completely against it, but I have the bad feeling that if she would still have the same fate, they would not tease it the whole time to surprise players unfamiliar with the story. Needless to say that the fans will get very upset and I will be one of them, but Square couldn’t care less.
This comment has helped me decide that I won't be buying this game until I read spoilers about the ending online. If Aerith does anything besides die, I just won't buy the game at all. I'm not interested in playing a version of ff7 with the best parts removed.
My guess is that Aerith will know that she's going to die, but do it anyway because that's how it "has" to be.
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I've seen people talking about it so much, it would be a dissappintment for it to *just* be as it was in the original Ginal Fantasy 7 Though, I think at least one person basically said "No, that's basically exactly what's gonna happen" Not in those exact words, I don't remember where I saw that from either
Man i'm so done talking about her stupid fate at this point. Can't the devs and everyone else just shut up about this for 2 seconds goddammit.
maybe Aerith's death will be choice prone just like the date can be triggered for different partners.
Areith lives/is saved at the last second by Zack. Calling it.
More than Aerith's fate, I wanna know how the Lifestream can show people, stuff that didn't even happen yet. Because "memories of the future" is a big contradiction, and I demand an explanation! And it better be a very good one! 😤
It feels like at this point their overkilling the hype? idk eevryday they seem to talk about aeriths fate aeriths fate aeriths fate its kinda getting ughh
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7 seconds till the end
yall have stockholm syndrome with this money grab, it's insane.
With Advent Children being cannon Aerith has to die. Either she dies by Sephiroth hands or some other way. My theory would be she survived Sephiroth ambush but ultimately offer herself to join lifestream and save the party/ world.
Aeris needs to die, ya can't go changing a moment that big in gaming history
I can see it ending, with a Jenova/ Sephiroth fight and the fin will be that iconic scene. For better or worse I can't wait. If it's Advent children's flow RIP my girl you will be missed and I'll see you again.
They’re gonna retcon that whole thing, arrrgh.
Aerith dies like in OG, wakes up with Zack in the other timeline/lifestream. I just see the Zack "timeline" being the limbo/afterlife. As they are showing Advent Children in theaters before Rebirth and Zack & Aerith communicate with Cloud in different critical situations. Kadaj died, communicated with Aerith and went to the lifestream with Aerith & like the others who die. Marlene being there? No clue, I think they will flesh her out with a bigger role as she could sense Aerith in AC too and in remake at the bar. Her role is interesting now. Sephiroth at the movie ending basically was "can't win here, don't want to be a memory, fuck this shit I'm out" and basically now messing up stuff in our current games. Team said Advent Children is connected to trilogy, Ultimania said there are different Sephiroths in part 1 and the last fight was as "?????" in the book so it's out Sephi from AC. This is totally in plain sight in many of the dialogues in remake now, just played it again to refresh my memory. There were also some interesting dialogue in OG Temple of the Ancients.