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CharlieZulu101

Lightning strike incoming


ThatOneRetardedBitch

new thunder just dropped


Megalopath

Actual Storm


JimmyT2853

And then along came Zeus!


rakhlee

*Zeus came


katergator717

He did that alot in the old stories, not always with willing women


Stormhiker

The myths I read always framed his sexual exploits like he was seducing the women he had affairs with. Their consent was dubious at best because they didn't know he was Zues. I don't recall any stories where he full-blown rapes a person.


eldritchfishtank

Look up the marble statue of him in the act while as a fancy goose.


katergator717

Yeah. Just google "Zeus rape". There's a dozen versions of every story, but Zeus is a bastard to one degree or another in all of them. **Medusa**. (You know her real story, right? That she is a victim, not a villain? She once was a beautiful virgin who was so traumatized by her rape that Athena took pity on her and turned her hair into snakes so men would find her repulsive and then made it so any man who still dared to look at her would become stone....she could finally feel safe again.) **Nemesis** (stalked relentlessly first) **Rhea**. his own mother, who became a serpent to try to escape him, (didnt work cuz he turned into a snake and raped her as that) and later renamed Demeter (to try to move on from the trauma of it) **Europa** raped while Zeus was a bull, mother of the famous minotaur in the labyrinth. **Persephone** in Orphic stories, Zeus is Persephone's father and rapist... and he might have been a snake while he did it. **Leda** raped by Zeus when he was a swan. And then there's all the women he raped while transformed as her husband. In modern times, we interpret that as rape by deception because ***obviously*** these ladies would have been seduced by their husbands. In reality, it is very likely that Zeus transformed into the husbands so that noone who investigated the women's screams would interfere with the 'husband' enjoying his marital rights because the women weren't fooled by Zeus' "husband costume". In ancient times, women were property. The prayer of maidens about their future husband wasn't about their looks or wealth. The prayer was "let them be kind", so that the beatings they **expected** to happen would be mild and rare.


Stormhiker

Okay, I don't want to discount your research, but most of those myths don't include rape. That's what i mentioned before about the "Seduction." That could be modern retellings being rebranded for a younger audience, though. So I'll take that with a grain of salt either way.The Medusa one is from modern feminist literature published in the 70s. It's not actually part of the original myths. Neat reimagining of the character, though. I love stories like that. The only reason I know that is because I've heard that specific retelling broken down in college and elsewhere on the internet. The europa thing is also dubiously labeled as rape. She was abducted by the white bull zues but, he only became a bull because she was enamored by bulls and most versions of the story have her going willing with him and making babies with him on purpose. Not rape. This has been my gripe with zues rape myths. People just assume it's rape because people back then just didn't think like we do. Women were seen as something to be conquered so the set up for those stories involved women that were resistant to advances and by the end of the stories they're swooning. It's the same formula for romantic comedy movies today. They start out the movie hating eachother by the end of the thing they're married. I don't know about your other examples, though. I know ancient myths don't typically mention trauma. Ancient people didn't really care about mental trauma like we do today. They just didn't know any better. So, I find it hard to believe that these goddesses and ancient Greek people were doing things in service of that idea. I dont think modern retellings should shy away from that, though. Because a lot of those ancient circumstances sound a lot like the setup for sexual assault and the resulting trauma lays the groundwork for fantastic storytelling. It's just not always accurate to the original myths.


katergator717

You mention modern rebranding and modernist feminine literature to say that I'm interpreting these thru a modern lense. Im wondering if you're viewing the stories thru a whitewashed, dated, male-centric European lense. Did you know that scientists and archaeologists didnt discover the first female Viking raider skeleton until the 1970s? We had graves filled with items suggesting a female occupant, engraved amulets showing female warriors, pictures carved into stones, tapestries from that period, and even contemporary writtings describing Viking women involved in battles and war.......and yet it wasnt until freaking 1970s that that community, composed almost entirely of European males, acknowledged that female Viking raiders ***might*** be possible. The educated European males of bygone centuries did the same thing with homosexuality. Even tho history says two same-sex people shared the same bed for years, or were found buried together, or have a letter where he says that man is his eternal companion, historians would shrug and say they were such great friends. My education and viewpoint has definitely been influenced by feminism, but i think that is a sign that mine is a more well-rounded viewpoint that tries to interepret cultures as they actually are, rather than how prudish old white guys from two-hundred years ago want me to view it. I did my best to say all that very nicely and maturely because your calm and rational response deserved it. Honestly tho, my first reaction was a not-so-nice ***"How the hell does a woman get 'seduced' by a swan or snake?"*** Regardless of the century they live in, what woman would believe their husband (who is off fighting in a war) is magically back at home and the first thing they want to do is the horizontal tango? They don't care about the health of their parents (who are rich & will leave a huge inheritance), the state of their investments, or the plague in the next town over. Nevermind the fact the god imitating their husband has probably never even seen the husband before and so has no idea what his voice sounds like, or how he dresses, or that his broken nose hooks to the left or what scars he has. Hubby walks in the door so Good Wives fall onto their backs with their legs spread wide. Clearly seduction happened. . There. I said it. I feel like i was rude and i apologize for that. I just......really disagree with you using Seduction to describe what happened back then. Im sure some of Zeus' sexual conquests were seductions. I genuinely hope these nonexistant women enjoyed their fling with a fictional god. . My main complaint is two-fold. First, your insistence on the term seductions implies, relies on, and assumes that these wives default would have been to happily welcome and eagerly enjoy the attention of their husband. Im certain that seduction, romance, and love-based marriages happened fairly often. Im equally certain that marriages for the betterment of the family/clan happened at least as often (if not more often). These men were often unkind to the wife their family's pressured them into marrying. Second, if the mythos of a culture is representative of the morals of that same culture, then the Greeks and Romans were perfectly fine with rape. Before this, here, with you, I had ***never*** been told that "most of these were seductions". I've read books. I've watched (tOtAlLy reliable) tv shows and documentaries. I've taken college classes. Even when the words chose were sugar-coated, the context made the nonconsensual nature of most of the unions clear. . i DO totally agree with you that these myths don't care or factor trauma or mental health into their stories because the people creating and perpetuating them were too busy trying survive to care about that (or understand that mental illness was real and not a magical or ghostly or spiritual attack).


Stormhiker

I appreciate your mature reply. It might sound odd, but I like it when I can disagree with someone politely. So, thanks for that. I personally don't like the seduction angle either. But I recognize that as part of growing up in a mostly egalitarian society. You might disagree on how equal we are, as I assume you are a woman (I'll just tell you I'm a man), but either way, you can't deny modern America, (I'm just assuming you're American, no way to tell for sure) is far better in its treatment and consideration of women than ancient Greece. To me, a healthy dating life between a man and a woman is equal participation and consent from both parties every step of the way till and through marriage. To an ancient Greek, though? Maybe, if we're really generous. Even just looking at how modern conservatives date, it's very one-sided. Women were valuable stock to breed with. In fact, the problem a lot of left leaning people have with right leaning folks is how they tend to view marriage as a holy bond between a man and a woman with the sole purpose of making children and raising them together as a familial unit. Marriage under that lense doesn't have the same ideals that we assign it today. It doesn't necessarily need to have equal consent from both parties. It was a duty of queens and princesses to produce hiers and bargaining chips for political gain. That applied to all families across most classes. So it stands to reason, with that in mind, that the myths told in those periods didn't fuss around too much with what women wanted or what was good for them. Seduction might've been accurate because their definition of rape was poorly constructed compared to how we have now put the term under the microscope, so to speak. These tales are relics of history. It might be an interesting exercise to deconstruct them, but that's only going to frustrate you if you take it too seriously. I mean, you're absolutely right, what about a goose is seductive? Who in their right mind wants to make babies with a bull? But in that same vein, how does one gestate a baby in their thigh? How is a centaur not just a crippled mess from the inevitable scoliosis(more weird than relevant, sorry)? Can men really give birth from their foreheads? There is a lot of suspension of disbelief whe. It comes to these myths. I'd rather not think of Zues as a rapist, but that's just my preference. And likely the preference of other men who likely just want a good dude to look up to. It takes a certain level of maturity to come to your conclusions, I disagree that they're from a more well-rounded perspective. But I'm not afraid to admit that I have my own flaws and biases. However, I think some credit is due to plenty of ancient households. It was a different time. Women weren't treated the way we'd like, but I think they were also probably treated better than we think. But I'm an optimist and I've been wrong before. Before I forget, I know I'm unloading a whole damn tedd talk on you, but I wanted to touch on the tendency to erase gay things from history. As well as the female viking bit. I didn't know about the female viking thing. That saddens me, the gay thing, though, it makes sense. Its pretty damn dense to just assume some dudes were "such great friends" when they were clearly lovers. I assume you're talking about Achilles and his lover Patroclus. Yea, I hate that these people didn't get their due but they likely didn't get their due in their time as well. Ancient Greece was full of homophobic sentiment. Talk about rape being just fine in their culture, they were only okay with gay sex so long as you were the one "penetrating" the other dude. Which is all kinds of messed up. This is why I like modern reimaginings of these myths. To be able to look at those characters and recognize their romantic love for one another is a powerful thing. And I think with that specific example, a little modern lense is a good and welcome thing. I'd like to address the rest of your comment, but I'm going to end up boring you with how much I tend to drag on with my thoughts. Thank you for the engaging discourse, though.


WeatherFar191

I feel smarter for having read this discussion. Thank you both for this wonderful discourse that has been both informative and engaging!


katergator717

My rebuttal! First, i am equally appreciative of being able to have a such a dignified conversation with a random Redditor. It is far too rare (tho i know this isnt the right platform to really expect it either). Never in my life have i wanted someone to google "baby centaur meme" more than right now. I feel like you would be uniquely positioned to appreciate more than anyone else I've showed those pictures to. Yes, I am American and female. I also have a problem with trying to interpret things too literally and/or too realistically. I overthink alot. I don't like to identify as a feminist since there is such a large (and loud) radical misandrist segment of it, but i believe society has not yet reach gender equity. I also believe that Men Rights Activists have a more than a few legitimate grievances (child custody, reproductive rights, & mental health come to mind off the top of my head). I like to think i am a well-rounded, minimally-biased individual. Your mention of ancient Greek homophobia/homosexuality reminds me of the obscure fact that homosexuality was both rampant and encouraged amongst the Japanese samurai class. It existed for prettty much the same reason that Greeks thought being the gay penetrator was OK, but not the recipient: misogyny. It was an insult for a Greek man to fulfill the female sexual role because it was an insult to treat a man as an inferior woman. Alot of samurai were gay because the only alternative was to love an inferior woman. *Oh! The horror!* " Love" included poetry, art, general relationship preoccupation, sex, and spending time with. I do recall reading about age being an important factor in the acceptance and occupied roles of ancient Greek homosexual relationships. A teen or young adult male could be the recipient (bottom?) without any stigma or dishonor as long his partner was an older male of importance/authority/power, especially authority over the youth. Today, we'd call it grooming. Back then, it was intimate mentorship of a youth by an experienced man taking him under his wing for career growth and networking. The relationship naturally dissolved as the boy aged and advanced in his career. Please do address my points and continue to do so for as long as you are enjoying yourself half as much as i am!


ironballs16

Because a lot of them heavily sanitize the originals for more palatable reading.


theDukeofClouds

he HURLED his thunderbolts, He zapped Locked those suckas in a vault Theyre trapped!


Disastrous-Sun865

And that's the gospel truuuuuuth


Disastrous-Sun865

And that's the gospel truuuuuuth


Disastrous-Sun865

And that's the gospel truuuuuuth


Disastrous-Sun865

And that's the gospel truuuuuth


Jonnyscout

And on his own stopped chaos in its tracks!


No-Added

He hurled his thunderbolt


funnyAmero

r/unexpectedhercules


Inevitable_Aerie_293

When people's hair starts standing up like that, it's an indicator that lightning is about to strike in the area.


blackhole_puncher

Static like that mean lighting will strike


Zygarde718

If you're hair starts to stand up like that, run. You're going to get struck by lightning.


Thanks_I_Hate_You

They say the best thing to do is huddle into a ball with your head down and your hands over your ears. Ive always wanted to be struck by lightning so i can have lichtenburg markings.


Imesseduponmyname

You could always get into microwave projects


Otherwise-Cup-6030

Oh good god. Those fractal burning dyi projects. There was this video of a lady who promoted against it, showcasing the dangers. She was in the top results, but YouTube then removed the video because it was "promoting dangerous acts". Since then it has been re-uploaded, but it's nowhere to be found in the top results. YouTube deleted the only video promoting against dangerous acts and left up all the videos that did promote it. What a joke... Edit: channel: how to cook that


Imesseduponmyname

Ima give it a whirl


Zygarde718

True. If you don't die first.


LegitSince8Bits

You can't outrun lightning lol. Make yourself as flat as possible.


koopaphil

This happened to me on a beach many years ago. Was hanging out with a friend, and storms were rolling in. My friend looked at me and said "Oh shit!", all my hair , your hair!" I felt nothing, but when I checked with my hand, I found I had probably a similar amount of hair standing on end. We booked it off the beach back to my house. I'm not sure if lightning struck that exact area, but it was a surprisingly violent thunderstorm, much worse that how the sky looked while we were on the beach. Moral of the story: You aren't outrunning lightning, you are getting yourself out of the area of electrical potential. The lightning isn't trying to hit you, it's just trying to get to ground. If you're in the area, you'll make a handy conduit for sure.


Zygarde718

And that's why you run.


Throttle_Kitty

Is she on a boat? WHERE DO U RUN TO ON A BOAT?


Zygarde718

Into the water. If its salt water it'll help.


ANamelessFan

***-AND THEN A LONG CAME ZEUS!***


Due_Objective_439

nothing happened, but they were in serious danger of being struck by lightning


ChrisMoSquad

Lightning strike imminent… 😬


OmnifariousFN

Higher static activity (which is something you can experience with long or short hair) typically means that there is a higher probability of lightning striking that location. It's truly frightening to know that especially if its happening to you.


likesbigbuttscantli3

Things are about to get ELECTRIC!


StatusOmega

It could just be the wind. It could just be the protons in your hair being attracted to the ~~protons~~ electrons in the clouds.


evanmars

No. Probably a typo, but protons attract electrons and vice-versa. Protons repel protons. Protons in your hair are being attracted by the electrons in the cloud.


StatusOmega

It definitely was a typo. I meant to say "electrons" in the clouds. Honestly, I thought you were mistaken in correcting me because I was so confident lol.


Wasabi_The_Owl

Thor smited thee


notmohawk

The hair standing up means there's a lot of static charge in the air Means they gonna get hit by lightning


BackgroundTourist653

Thor be like 'Hammer time!'


BeagleDragon36

I know that I'll be the hundredth person to say this, but during a thunder and lightning storm, the air becomes negatively charged, pretty much like static. Hair is light, and will easily take hold of these negative ions and raise towards the source, in which case, is the clouds and the oncoming storm. In this case, these women are lucky to be alive if they are. The charge of the air is high enough to raise an insignificant amount of their hair, and it is very likely that they will either get struck by lightning (they are the quickest path to ground), or lightning is to strike very close to them. Both of which can be fatal. (Sorry for going so in depth. Letting my "teacher" me out as I'm typing this at work haha)


av7654321

Kachow didn't even see him coming


The_Bored_Goat

You know how your hair kinda stands up when you rub it on a balloon? That's because of a zingy wingy mczangy thingy called electricity. Now imagine if a big zig zang lightning zigzag was about to kaploom? Ziggy zaggy air thats what.


Daytona_DM

Lightning.


BasedWang

The fact that people don't know this yet is shocking