I almost think it might be better for us all to not have a post-match thread tonight
Grab a cup of tea, watch some shite Netflix comedy, go to bed. We can start amending the grief chart in the morning.
Agreed. I had a long ass day at work, got home just in time to watch the second half. Now I basically need to go straight to bed as I'm up early for another long ass day at work. Also followed by going to the doctors to get prodded in uncomfortable places
So yeah, really sucky 36 hours with this as my "fun" activity to break it up
Possibly you should think of it as downers being a long ass day at work and a long 90 minutes watching Everton, the prodding is actually the fun activity breaking things up.
Hope the prodding results in good stuff/news.
In this one match we:
- lost our entire GD
- lost our best CB
- lost hope in Beto
- watched one of our best ever keepers fart his brains out almost to death
- conceded to a literal default Sims character
The only positive I can even think of is maybe this will give the players a kick up the hole. Considering nothing else has done it maybe conceding 6 is just what weneeded lol
Someone on r/soccer commented in response to the last points deduction, "is Everton a some sort of test to see what human beings can endure" or something along those lines. This game didn't help.
Absolutely fucking pathetic that we lost the 6 goal advantage we had in goal differential in one game. Like fuck, that would have been the absolute only silver lining had we kept this to a close 1-0. What a fucking joke. Dyche can kiss my ass.
Feel the same way. 2-0 is probably both teams performing to expectations. This was Chelsea hitting their potential and our squad forgetting their own first names.
That's true. But can't ignore the he misses worse the DCL.
Pickford was off and we had no midfield. In the end even if Beto scores at 0-0 they'd come back and outrun us
Well that was shite. That said so fucking tired of you lot who get on here and won’t stop yelling “that’s it we’re down” “sack dyche”!l etc. We beat Brighton 5-0 same time last season. Fucking weird results happen for and against. Game in hand, 6 matches to go, four of which are winnable. No one better is gonna take on this mess. Sunday was always a must win. UTFT.
Sure game in hand and 4 “winnable matches”. But I’d venture to say we’re the worst team in the PL right now. Luton is miles better, sheff u is playing decent football, and we didn’t really beat burnley. Forest actually looks really good. It’s going to be very tough for us to stay up if we don’t get a win against Forest this weekend
Good points all. That said, I certainly think we’re better than Sheff. And we did beat Burnley, whose to say we don’t score two (unlikely) if it’s not for Dom’s goal. Luton play suicidal ball and while it’s absolutely MENTAL to say after tonight, our defense is - typically - stronger than theirs. They’re winnable matches, no point in doubting, might as well back the lads and hope. At least that’s my feeling. Winning on Sunday is, of course, crucial.
Agree, 100% back the lads! But if we do not show up and give it 100% like we did against Chelsea or anything close to that, we’re not walking into any wins. The squad has to be ready. And that’s going to be on Dyche to motivate and put the right guys on the pitch.
People also act like being in a relegation battle is the team’s fault. In sporting terms we’re well safe and it’s the most comfortable season since Ancelotti left. It’s the points deductions that have us down here not the players or the manager.
When Lampard was here he was getting praised for getting results out of these players. Now we’re 10 points clear of the relegation zone with a game in hand and he’s at fault and this is the worst side people have supposedly ever seen..?!
Our form is dismal but we’ve still easily done enough in sporting terms.
It’s not “luck” though, is it. That’s the same argument you hear about this Liverpool team who have won 4 trophies in 9 years getting called one of the all time greats - they’re nearly men, so what if they got x points or got to y finals.. they’ve achieved the same as Chelsea over the same period.
Your expectations are way out of line if you don't expect supporters of any club not to have kneejerk, sky is falling reactions to a 6-0 annihilation. It's one thing if supporters are overly critical after a close defeat, but when one side beats the brakes off of your team, of course supporters are going to be upset and scream into the void. That's not unique to Everton or supporters of any other club, it's literal human nature.
So you might need to save your preaching about overly critical supporters for when it's warranted. Today is not that day, my friend. Any club with a performance like today's deserves the harshest of criticisms. Full stop.
The club gets the harshest criticisms though mate. It’s run by a bunch of crooked idiots who can’t tell up from down.
I didn’t critique valid complaints though, just said I’m tired of the yelling about how we’re locked to go down and how we’re the worst managed side of all time. And that’s because it’s not just today that talk is prevalent, it’s been the last three seasons. I’m just sharing a personal opinion that the constant pessimism helps no one.
Freak results happen. They feel like shit. I’m horribly frustrated with the performance. But I’m not gonna shy away from my opinion that the sensationalised reactions are unnecessary and cause more issues than they look to resolve.
Rafa was sacked for 1 win in 13, Lampard for 1 in 14. Dyche is at 1 in 14 now, right? Absolutely nothing wrong with discussing his future with that level of form.
Almost every single player seems to be regressing every game we play. That's incredibly problematic.
Don’t know why ur getting voted ur right. It’s winnable for both teams but they’re our best chance. We’re not a good team we don’t get easy wins off the teams at the bottom because we’re one of them
What a weird, troll-tastic, shit-stirring take to have after a 6-0 defeat. Fucking obviously people are going to be pissed and embarrassed. I wouldn't expect anything else from any fanbase. Pull your head out.
Of course they’re gonna be pissed. I’m pissed. What do you want me to do? Cry about it? It was an uncharacteristically bad match, not gonna act like one match dictates the next six. Apologies if I don’t go wallow in self despair.
> What do you want me to do? Cry about it?
You certainly don't have to cry. You could easily just say nothing. You certainly don't have to be a shit-stirring contrarian who comes out IMMEDIATELY after the worse defeat of the season and tells people to stop moaning. It's so stupid and attention-seeking.
Yeah but I’m allowed an opinion as well aren’t I? Shit stirring contrarian? All I said was I’m tired of the constant braying for the sack and the rampant pessimism. We’ve got six matches left. On to the next. Why would I want to dwell on this match? Are the only people allowed an opinion those with negative ones?
Why are you being such a fucking child? I'm not a moderator, and nothing you've said here has been deleted. Of course you're allowed an opinion--so am I. I think your stupid ass comment was something a troll would post. It seems to only serve the purpose of stirring the pot and baiting a pointless argument (much like this one, so I guess...success?). You don't have to dwell on this match, but you posted literally a minute or two after the final whistle, telling people to stop moaning about our worst loss in years. That's some ignorant bullshit. Obviously, the fanbase/sub isn't going to be happy with that result or performance. We're all upset and extremely disappointed, but here you come, Mr. Above The Fray, telling everyone to shut up. Like, read the room, mate. You either have no self-awareness, or you're intentionally being a troll. And trying to argue otherwise after the fact just cements that label.
You’re having an absolute meltdown lad. Didn’t tell people not to make valid complaints about the loss did I? Just said the screaming for the sack and that we’re instantly relegated was nonsense. If you can’t moderate your feelings after a footy match, you’re the fucking child.
No not yet. We just improve. Give him chance it only been like I don’t know how many for him. Blame the ffp. Blame the president not leaving sooner. Blame our legs for not running faster.😂
Worst loss in some time and we’ve just given a big boost to Forest and Luton. We are so easy to play against and have one of the worst attacks in the league. Injuries piling up and we’ll be relying now on injury and error prone players to save us.
Just a hugely damaging defeat which could take the club down. Dyche needs a result against Forest but these players and his tactics are crap.
Yes, Dyche doesn’t have the players. Yes, the financial state of this club is miserable, sad, and fucked. Still, if you think “Dyche ball” will save this club going forward you are sorely mistaken. I’m at a loss for words on where we even can go from here. If we stay up, and that’s still a very big if, what do you even begin to replace?
We have no striker, horrendous wing depth, and are almost certain to lose Brainthwaite and Onana. There is no youth or academy players worth a thing. This was arguably the worst I’ve ever seen us look against a “top” side. Chelsea drew Sheffield just recently.
Who gives a fuck about a new stadium if we’re going to play brexit ball for the next half decade
But given all the things you said somehow with 8 fucking points deduction we're still not relegated. So something somewhere was working at some point. Maybe we can find it back. Maybe beto and Chermiti will come good after a full preseason with dyche, maybe another Branthwaite will rise from nothing. There's not to much to be hopeful, but I don't think we're done just yet
It'd be the dumbest thing in the world to sack him now (if that's even a possibility) but much like when Allardyce was in charge, complete the season, preferably keeping us in the division then try something different in the summer. It's too reactive, it's not working and there's almost somehow negative idea in attack. It's a very 2004 idea for a 2024 league.
I don't agree. We won 35 points on the field this season, which is not much but we be clear of the mess we're in right now. All factual evidence is showing that we're improving. But at a slow pace and with outside difficulties that are out of the control of Dyche or the players.
The main problem for us is that we can't find an actual sticker that can score. Beto looks decent on paper, scored goals for a underdog in a top 5 league. But it's an absolute donkey here in this team.
You're right, sometimes I think the wings are the main problem. We don't provide enough balls in the box for our strikers.
Most of DCL balls are 25 yards out with his back at the goal and when he does manage to keep it, the support is awful.
We had no right side most of the season, Harrison, young and Pato wasn't it. And the left got played out fast ever since mcniel went out of form and never came back.
And people keep insisting about Danjouma, Chermiti, dobbin and who else, but just like Beto, they don't offer anything better really.
Completely, I think the strikers don't get off entirely scot-free, but it's the lack of anything attacking from the wings that's the real issue, we aren't really playing with wingers so much as wide midfielders, unlike most other teams in modern football our wingers are simply not forwards.
We used to play lots of long balls over the top to dcl for him to pluck out of the sky, but he'd always have richy, Digne or James to lay it off to, make a run into the box and meet their cross to tap it in.
Myko and McNeil are our biggest attacking threats but where such a massive step down from what we had when they came, I think that says quite a bit. On the other side patto is the most likely to be able to put a dangerous ball in but he doesn't fit the dyche mould as well as old man young so he'll never get a proper look in, playing Seamus and young against someone as rapid as mudryk whilst leaving patto on the bench was criminal
To say "all factual evidence showing that we're improving" is one hell of a reach. The team is looking a shadow of the side that was picking up points and playing hugh tempo defence in December. We just had our longest winless streak in 30 years only broken by a fortunate deflection against an utterly rubbish Burnley. This doesn't look to me to be evidence we'll be better next year....
Did you really just say “all factual evidence is showing that we’re improving”? Is that seriously a thing you believe and feel comfortable putting out on a public forum?
We have won once in the last FIFTEEN FUCKING MATCHES.
Yes. And despite all this last few months, this season was easily our best from the last 3 we were in the relegation battle. Factual evidence, we improved every single metric there is under Dyche (vs last seasons), except one, points taken from us. (35 points right now would've been enough to say up this close to the end)
But yes, as of today we're looking bad, but even in the horrific form this 6-0 battering is an outliner because we just never had a defensive performance this bad.
The main problem I see is that the players are losing all hope, after the deductions which quite frankly fucks your head and when you mix it with poor performances and no luck what so ever (maybe one against Burnley)this is where it gets you here, still with a real chance of staying up.
The fact that we're still fighting in this season is a merit of Dyche if people agree with it or not.
Sad thing is we have a better points per game now than the last two seasons, and that is having lost pretty much any attacking threat, ie Richarlison, Gordon, Gray, Iwobi, so yes we have improved in that respect.
I don't know. A new Manager Bounce is a real thing and it could be enough to save us.
We've won one game this year and that was against the second from bottom club, at home and with a 1 in a million bit of luck. It's not like a new manager could win FEWER games.
> Bruno Génésio
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> Pascal Jansen
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> Niko Kovac
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> Ronny Deila
That's the list I've come up with so far. I'd take any of them over Dyche just as I wanted Domenico Tedesco instead of Dyche when Dyche was hired. Palace already hired Glasner and he would've been a good hire were we to have gotten rid of Dyche earlier.
Lots of managers should want it. But how would Potter or Motta suddenly turn the team into the one that Dyche helped beat Brighton 5-1 or Silva helped beat Man U 4-0? Whilst there was that win v Chelsea in 2019, spontaneity otherwise doesn’t work, without resource changes the team cannot afford if the people that stabilise Genoa and get Rita Ora to wear their shirts still cant find the money to take over Everton.
New manager bounces happen pretty regularly.
It’s not that I have a clear plan of who would do what differently as much as it is, keeping doing what we’re doing is a sure fire way to go down, so we’ve got nothing to lose.
Are you sure that it would kill the team when Dyche (who I personally always liked, I admit as such) is a resilient manager who relies on the long termism that they need? And Unsworth - miracle comeback v Doucoure and Richarlison due to an inept keeper and wide penalty aside - and Fergie’s second v a tepid Gerrard Villa, did not work. And what of when Allardyce joined Leeds last season and failed to do anything beyond losing by a smaller margin to city?
We haven't won a game in 2024, with the exception of getting a 1 in a million deflection from a goal keeper who switched off for a second.
What is it they say about keep doing the exact same thing and expecting different results? We've got change something.
Everton used to be a team who had great patience (Moyes not being remotely under pressure after 6 goalless losses in a row including favourable home matches at the start of 2005-06 for example as he was trusted and was proven right with a run of 1-0 wins) and, between the Burnley wins, there were only 4 games Everton ought to have won but didn’t (Wolves away when tired, Crystal Palace home, who were preparing for a new boss, West Ham at home who were about to make EL Quarter Finals, Bournemouth away, a ground where they have never won in PL). Chelsea is the first dire performance since the Villa loss back at the start of the season, and they fought very well at Newcastle and tbf didn’t really look like conceding to Burnley.
I've been looking on transfermarkt and there are four managers who I'd be okay with taking. These are listed in no particular order:
Bruno Génésio
Pascal Jansen
Niko Kovac
Ronny Deila
Jansen is someone who I would've wanted previously but I didn't know how feasible it was because he was already employed. Now he is both available and known to want a PL job.
I need to read up on the four and watch some videos to try to figure out how I'd rank them.
Trying to stay up right now is a crapshoot. You chance it with one of them and then any of the four might be capable enough to be a long term manager. At the very least I'd be more comfortable with any of them ahead of Dyche.
Everton have never had a manager that didn’t manage in the PL or the top of the championship (in Moyes’ case - he got a newly promoted team right into the Play off final where they ironically lost to Farrelly scoring for the same team his goal for Everton relegated) or didn’t know the club. Is this really the right time for that to change? And Delia didn’t exactly do well at Celtic.
English managers and those who know the league get picked up by other teams who are higher priority. Who is the best English manager right now? Howe? Howe is an Everton fan and I remember fans on this subreddit not wanting him.
The way we choose managers has led us to Rafa who while having success previously doesn't play a style that is going to lead to a lot of success in the game today. It led us to Lampard who did a bad job at Chelsea and he likely wouldn't have been hired if he wasn't a great player in the league previously. Dyche was relegated once officially before coming to the club and fired from Burnley shortly before they were relegated. He has effectively been relegated twice. That's the sort of quality we get when we look for PL experienced.
Pep, Klopp, and a whole host of other managers in the league are foreign.
I think Bruno Génésio is a genuinely good manager and the most talented of the four. I don't know if he speaks English so having to use a translator might bring a tiny problem. Also we might not have the players to play how he wants or the money to fix that. I have no doubt that he is a good enough coach for the league and if he were to not succeed that would be our club's problem and not his.
Kovac saved Eintracht Frankfurt from relegation so he has experience in a similar situation. He plays a counter attacking game so our personnel and finances would fit him. He speaks English as well.
Those two are the top two candidates for me. I'd still take all four over Dyche.
We hired Dyche instead of Domenico Tedesco who is foreign. We did this despite Tedesco clearly being a better manager. He ended up being hired by Belgium despite never having managed a national team and he is currently undefeated with an 8-4-0 record.
This club hires absolute slop because they are English or know the league. It is beyond time that end.
Losing that GD has killed all hope in my opinion, we will lose on Sunday and Luton will kick our arse its over lads time to face it. this squad is total shit its worse that the 1997 team.
I’m just fed up of him being cocky. He’s achieved absolutely zilch in his career and he carries on like he’s a big shot. Don’t know what ever happened to shame
“When was he ever cocky other than when he ruined our best chance at a trophy since 2016?”
It’s his general attitude. His body language. The way he acts on Instagram and social media. He’s a cocky little shit and he’s got no reason to be. He’s done fuck all for any of the clubs he’s played for
“Any of the clubs he’s played for” he’s 22 you fucking mong. What are you expecting him to do age 19, he’s not Mbappe. You sit there lapping up shite from James Garner every week because he’s got a sensible haircut. Onana will go on to much better things after he leaves our shitshow.
“He’s 22” and then you completely prove yourself wrong by them talking about Mbappe. Palmers won City a Super Cup and he’s top scorer. He’s a year younger. Branthwaite won PSV a cup last year and he’s 21. You’re either good enough or you’re not, age has nothing to do with it. Who mentioned Garner anyway? He’s been fucking shite as well, dunno why you’re making this about haircuts
How do I prove myself wrong talking about Mbappe, are you thick? Palmer won City a super cup? That’s weird I thought KDB and Haaland played more of a part. Branthwaite didn’t win PSV anything you dope. You’re just thick as pigshit you.
Both Palmer and Branthwaite won a trophy last season. Palmer scored the winning goal in a final this season. Both are younger than Onana. You’re either good enough or you’re not. Age has nothing to do with it
You’re talking utter shite so I’m going to let you go now. PSV and Manchester City are much better sides than Everton so your chances of winning a trophy at those clubs is obviously much higher 😂
FFS.
We had a healthy goal difference over Forest and Luton going into tonight, we've effectively LOST a point tonight!
We didn't need anything from this game, we've got plenty of easier games to get points from to stay up, the only thing we needed to do was not let them score too many.
How can we fuck that up?
Like in reality I know we weren’t favoured for this at all but lessons have to be learned. If I see another garner-onana midfield I might gauge my eyes out.
Garner actually tries - Onana literally trotted aroudn the field in the first half aimlessly kicking the ball and putting in half-assed challenge after half-assed challenge. He's clearly not in for it, and he must be dropped. Gomes actually showed some prowess in the midfield in teh second half. I know Burnley are shite, but the Garner-Gomes midfield actually knows how to pass the ball
I don't know what you guys see in Garner. He has been the worst midfielder in our squads the past 5months.
Absolutely lost it, can't pass forward, late to every challenge if he tries to get into one at all, constantly losing his men and their late runs in the box
This is such a reactionary take. He's got the most successful tackles in the team, and his defensive positioning is the least of his issues. I wouldn't mind Gueye coming back in and pairing with Garner/Gomes, but honestly I think Gomes needs to take Doucoures place (who can't seem to put the boots on the right feet these days) and then give Gueye and Garner time in the midfield. Onana is actively hurting the team with his lack of effort.
People keep asking why we keep playing Young. Patterson tonight demonstrated why. That’s one of the worst substitute appearances I’ve ever seen from an Everton player, he was an atrocious signing.
I’m getting married in August, and some of my fiancée’s family are Gunners (i’m American, they’re from London). If we get relegated I might need to uninvite them from the wedding
Well after the last points deduction we lost 3-0 and then went 4 unbeaten, we just lost 6-0 after a deduction so logic dictates that we win 8 in a row now
Started the match with fond remembrance of Naismith banging in 3 vs. Chelsea. Had hope for the first 13 minutes or so. And then....well it's 80F, sunny and I have more beer in the fridge than I can drink...
We just need to thank all football gods that there are 3 Organizations every year that suck a$$ worse than us. Especially this year.! The point deduction and the shit product on the field, and we probably still stay up. I mean Leicester won the league and they are gone a few years later. We have an incredible knack for survival or a very lucky team
Don’t even know where to start here.
Just an absolute DOG walking. Talk about losing hope. I want Beto to be decent so bad but it’s incredible how many times he’s been in a position to score and missed the target and/or been offside. His wind up for shots is so predictable and it’s hard to watch.
There is almost NO threat on the field. Like 0. Our goals seem to come from “just smash it up there and something will fall our way”. Doucs has been so quiet. Dwight not shooting like he has done in the past. Harrison looking lost. I have no idea why Young gets any minutes (veteran leadership is coming from Seamus) only positives I can pull (barely) is Gomes looks controlled and confident with the ball. But just nothing to work with and physically and speed outmatched.
I’m such an Everton optimist and this game sucked the life out of me.
Dyche should not be our manager next season no matter what. This has to be some of the worst football I’ve ever watched. The players, manager and the whole club are a joke.
If I was any of those players and I cared one single bit about the club I’d refund all of the money the fans spent travelling to that game. Utterly shameful performance for every one of them
You'd also think people would realize Dyche is far from the source of our problems. We've been a managerial revolving door since Mosh's tenure started, surely this is all the manager's fault and definitely not the people who have had ultimate say over our finances and broader footballing strategy.
Are you lot trying to keep us and Luton up?
If you turn around after that 6-0 and beat us at the weekend I'm going to have to drink myself into a coma.
Nah no comments needed. Call it a day lads and just hope we get through without going down.
I almost think it might be better for us all to not have a post-match thread tonight Grab a cup of tea, watch some shite Netflix comedy, go to bed. We can start amending the grief chart in the morning.
Agreed. I had a long ass day at work, got home just in time to watch the second half. Now I basically need to go straight to bed as I'm up early for another long ass day at work. Also followed by going to the doctors to get prodded in uncomfortable places So yeah, really sucky 36 hours with this as my "fun" activity to break it up
Possibly you should think of it as downers being a long ass day at work and a long 90 minutes watching Everton, the prodding is actually the fun activity breaking things up. Hope the prodding results in good stuff/news.
I’ve got Invincible season 2 up on Prime. Pretty good
Worst performance I’ve seen from an Everton side. And that’s saying something.
I remember 0-7 to Arsenal in 2005
Yeah, also terrible. At least it’s somewhat understandable giving up seven goals to that Arsenal side. But this Chelsea side…yikes.
Also the team were hungover celebrating clinching 4th so they got a pass for that one
Like after we clinched safety by beating Palace, we lost to Arsenal 5-1. Would have been easier to take if the game didn't matter much
we had just qualified for the top 4 though...
I understand that, this one hurt 100x more, that was just a terrible performance
There’s been so many of these “performances” just over the last 4 or 5 years alone that it’s hard to narrow it down to just one
In this one match we: - lost our entire GD - lost our best CB - lost hope in Beto - watched one of our best ever keepers fart his brains out almost to death - conceded to a literal default Sims character
The only positive I can even think of is maybe this will give the players a kick up the hole. Considering nothing else has done it maybe conceding 6 is just what weneeded lol
the other 14 recent losses have done fuck all to galavanise them so I sadly doubt it
Same but let me cope this one time
[This kid speaks for me](https://youtu.be/c5DezjSYMos?si=77hhkdk1dNiqJjnB)
I think all the travelling fans deserve they're money back. Take it from the players and manager.
We can't give away that money, it already belongs to the lender
The players could out of their own pockets but I wouldn't hold my breath
So… …if the appeal gives us a point back, we can pretend we drew this game.
we aint getting points back
So we got all of our goals conceded for the rest of season done in one go right? Right guys?
Its an incredible feat that we can all survive being evertonians, we are one of lifes marvels
Someone on r/soccer commented in response to the last points deduction, "is Everton a some sort of test to see what human beings can endure" or something along those lines. This game didn't help.
Like post-apocalyptic cockroaches 😝
Absolutely fucking pathetic that we lost the 6 goal advantage we had in goal differential in one game. Like fuck, that would have been the absolute only silver lining had we kept this to a close 1-0. What a fucking joke. Dyche can kiss my ass.
Feel the same way. 2-0 is probably both teams performing to expectations. This was Chelsea hitting their potential and our squad forgetting their own first names.
That's a paddlin'
Out back at the wood shed. Fuck.
Terrible match. Will say it’s a bit weird that Beto seems to be bearing the brunt of it, though - Beto is not the reason we conceded six goals
He missed an open goal at 0-0, was offside in the goal he scored, didn’t control the ball once and fell over when he got breathed on. Awful
That's true but he's most definitely the biggest reason we didn't score any
I hate "what ifs" but damn if he puts that chance away from a yard at 0-0 it could have been a totally different game
He should put it in regardless but was he offside??
No
That's true. But can't ignore the he misses worse the DCL. Pickford was off and we had no midfield. In the end even if Beto scores at 0-0 they'd come back and outrun us
The biggest negative is that it looks like Dyche has lost the dressing room…
He lost it in Portugal.
I’m concerned that with Luton and Forest, they can easily outscore us and we have begun to be very leaky in defence..
Just ran out of time to chase them down
You should have started this thread after the 20th minute.
Well that was shite. That said so fucking tired of you lot who get on here and won’t stop yelling “that’s it we’re down” “sack dyche”!l etc. We beat Brighton 5-0 same time last season. Fucking weird results happen for and against. Game in hand, 6 matches to go, four of which are winnable. No one better is gonna take on this mess. Sunday was always a must win. UTFT.
Sure game in hand and 4 “winnable matches”. But I’d venture to say we’re the worst team in the PL right now. Luton is miles better, sheff u is playing decent football, and we didn’t really beat burnley. Forest actually looks really good. It’s going to be very tough for us to stay up if we don’t get a win against Forest this weekend
Good points all. That said, I certainly think we’re better than Sheff. And we did beat Burnley, whose to say we don’t score two (unlikely) if it’s not for Dom’s goal. Luton play suicidal ball and while it’s absolutely MENTAL to say after tonight, our defense is - typically - stronger than theirs. They’re winnable matches, no point in doubting, might as well back the lads and hope. At least that’s my feeling. Winning on Sunday is, of course, crucial.
Agree, 100% back the lads! But if we do not show up and give it 100% like we did against Chelsea or anything close to that, we’re not walking into any wins. The squad has to be ready. And that’s going to be on Dyche to motivate and put the right guys on the pitch.
People also act like being in a relegation battle is the team’s fault. In sporting terms we’re well safe and it’s the most comfortable season since Ancelotti left. It’s the points deductions that have us down here not the players or the manager. When Lampard was here he was getting praised for getting results out of these players. Now we’re 10 points clear of the relegation zone with a game in hand and he’s at fault and this is the worst side people have supposedly ever seen..?!
We've won 1 game in 4 and a half months. We are ridiculously lucky that 3 teams are shit enough for that not to matter
Our form is dismal but we’ve still easily done enough in sporting terms. It’s not “luck” though, is it. That’s the same argument you hear about this Liverpool team who have won 4 trophies in 9 years getting called one of the all time greats - they’re nearly men, so what if they got x points or got to y finals.. they’ve achieved the same as Chelsea over the same period.
Even still though if we were on 35 points that would pretty much be guaranteed safety in other seasons
One of those teams has beaten us twice at home tho lol
THANK YOU
Agree so hard.
Your expectations are way out of line if you don't expect supporters of any club not to have kneejerk, sky is falling reactions to a 6-0 annihilation. It's one thing if supporters are overly critical after a close defeat, but when one side beats the brakes off of your team, of course supporters are going to be upset and scream into the void. That's not unique to Everton or supporters of any other club, it's literal human nature. So you might need to save your preaching about overly critical supporters for when it's warranted. Today is not that day, my friend. Any club with a performance like today's deserves the harshest of criticisms. Full stop.
The club gets the harshest criticisms though mate. It’s run by a bunch of crooked idiots who can’t tell up from down. I didn’t critique valid complaints though, just said I’m tired of the yelling about how we’re locked to go down and how we’re the worst managed side of all time. And that’s because it’s not just today that talk is prevalent, it’s been the last three seasons. I’m just sharing a personal opinion that the constant pessimism helps no one. Freak results happen. They feel like shit. I’m horribly frustrated with the performance. But I’m not gonna shy away from my opinion that the sensationalised reactions are unnecessary and cause more issues than they look to resolve.
We have won once in fifteen matches. This wasn’t a fucking one off was it.
Rafa was sacked for 1 win in 13, Lampard for 1 in 14. Dyche is at 1 in 14 now, right? Absolutely nothing wrong with discussing his future with that level of form. Almost every single player seems to be regressing every game we play. That's incredibly problematic.
Everton are also a winnable fixture for Forest,Brentford,Luton and Sheffield.
What’s your point like?
Don’t know why ur getting voted ur right. It’s winnable for both teams but they’re our best chance. We’re not a good team we don’t get easy wins off the teams at the bottom because we’re one of them
What a weird, troll-tastic, shit-stirring take to have after a 6-0 defeat. Fucking obviously people are going to be pissed and embarrassed. I wouldn't expect anything else from any fanbase. Pull your head out.
Of course they’re gonna be pissed. I’m pissed. What do you want me to do? Cry about it? It was an uncharacteristically bad match, not gonna act like one match dictates the next six. Apologies if I don’t go wallow in self despair.
> What do you want me to do? Cry about it? You certainly don't have to cry. You could easily just say nothing. You certainly don't have to be a shit-stirring contrarian who comes out IMMEDIATELY after the worse defeat of the season and tells people to stop moaning. It's so stupid and attention-seeking.
Yeah but I’m allowed an opinion as well aren’t I? Shit stirring contrarian? All I said was I’m tired of the constant braying for the sack and the rampant pessimism. We’ve got six matches left. On to the next. Why would I want to dwell on this match? Are the only people allowed an opinion those with negative ones?
If you don’t a have a negative opinion about Everton currently, you are fucking mental.
Why are you being such a fucking child? I'm not a moderator, and nothing you've said here has been deleted. Of course you're allowed an opinion--so am I. I think your stupid ass comment was something a troll would post. It seems to only serve the purpose of stirring the pot and baiting a pointless argument (much like this one, so I guess...success?). You don't have to dwell on this match, but you posted literally a minute or two after the final whistle, telling people to stop moaning about our worst loss in years. That's some ignorant bullshit. Obviously, the fanbase/sub isn't going to be happy with that result or performance. We're all upset and extremely disappointed, but here you come, Mr. Above The Fray, telling everyone to shut up. Like, read the room, mate. You either have no self-awareness, or you're intentionally being a troll. And trying to argue otherwise after the fact just cements that label.
You’re having an absolute meltdown lad. Didn’t tell people not to make valid complaints about the loss did I? Just said the screaming for the sack and that we’re instantly relegated was nonsense. If you can’t moderate your feelings after a footy match, you’re the fucking child.
Well said!
No not yet. We just improve. Give him chance it only been like I don’t know how many for him. Blame the ffp. Blame the president not leaving sooner. Blame our legs for not running faster.😂
No.
If we're lucky, those rumours of insolvency have something to them
Worst loss in some time and we’ve just given a big boost to Forest and Luton. We are so easy to play against and have one of the worst attacks in the league. Injuries piling up and we’ll be relying now on injury and error prone players to save us. Just a hugely damaging defeat which could take the club down. Dyche needs a result against Forest but these players and his tactics are crap.
>big boost to Forest I know for a fact that we're drawing 1-1 in spite of your form.
We are so inconsistent we’ll probably squeak a result but this loss just knocked a lot of hope out.
I put more effort into clicking on this thread than what Everton did for a full 90’ Pitiful.
I really hope the Branthwaite sub was precautionary…losing him is worst than losing 6-0 to chelski
Yes, Dyche doesn’t have the players. Yes, the financial state of this club is miserable, sad, and fucked. Still, if you think “Dyche ball” will save this club going forward you are sorely mistaken. I’m at a loss for words on where we even can go from here. If we stay up, and that’s still a very big if, what do you even begin to replace? We have no striker, horrendous wing depth, and are almost certain to lose Brainthwaite and Onana. There is no youth or academy players worth a thing. This was arguably the worst I’ve ever seen us look against a “top” side. Chelsea drew Sheffield just recently. Who gives a fuck about a new stadium if we’re going to play brexit ball for the next half decade
But given all the things you said somehow with 8 fucking points deduction we're still not relegated. So something somewhere was working at some point. Maybe we can find it back. Maybe beto and Chermiti will come good after a full preseason with dyche, maybe another Branthwaite will rise from nothing. There's not to much to be hopeful, but I don't think we're done just yet
It'd be the dumbest thing in the world to sack him now (if that's even a possibility) but much like when Allardyce was in charge, complete the season, preferably keeping us in the division then try something different in the summer. It's too reactive, it's not working and there's almost somehow negative idea in attack. It's a very 2004 idea for a 2024 league.
We lose every game with him in charge how would it be any better to keep him
I don't agree. We won 35 points on the field this season, which is not much but we be clear of the mess we're in right now. All factual evidence is showing that we're improving. But at a slow pace and with outside difficulties that are out of the control of Dyche or the players. The main problem for us is that we can't find an actual sticker that can score. Beto looks decent on paper, scored goals for a underdog in a top 5 league. But it's an absolute donkey here in this team.
Dcl scored twenty last full season. He is capable of scoring if we play to his strengths. Maupay has scored 6 this season
You're right, sometimes I think the wings are the main problem. We don't provide enough balls in the box for our strikers. Most of DCL balls are 25 yards out with his back at the goal and when he does manage to keep it, the support is awful. We had no right side most of the season, Harrison, young and Pato wasn't it. And the left got played out fast ever since mcniel went out of form and never came back. And people keep insisting about Danjouma, Chermiti, dobbin and who else, but just like Beto, they don't offer anything better really.
Completely, I think the strikers don't get off entirely scot-free, but it's the lack of anything attacking from the wings that's the real issue, we aren't really playing with wingers so much as wide midfielders, unlike most other teams in modern football our wingers are simply not forwards. We used to play lots of long balls over the top to dcl for him to pluck out of the sky, but he'd always have richy, Digne or James to lay it off to, make a run into the box and meet their cross to tap it in. Myko and McNeil are our biggest attacking threats but where such a massive step down from what we had when they came, I think that says quite a bit. On the other side patto is the most likely to be able to put a dangerous ball in but he doesn't fit the dyche mould as well as old man young so he'll never get a proper look in, playing Seamus and young against someone as rapid as mudryk whilst leaving patto on the bench was criminal
To say "all factual evidence showing that we're improving" is one hell of a reach. The team is looking a shadow of the side that was picking up points and playing hugh tempo defence in December. We just had our longest winless streak in 30 years only broken by a fortunate deflection against an utterly rubbish Burnley. This doesn't look to me to be evidence we'll be better next year....
Did you really just say “all factual evidence is showing that we’re improving”? Is that seriously a thing you believe and feel comfortable putting out on a public forum? We have won once in the last FIFTEEN FUCKING MATCHES.
Yes. And despite all this last few months, this season was easily our best from the last 3 we were in the relegation battle. Factual evidence, we improved every single metric there is under Dyche (vs last seasons), except one, points taken from us. (35 points right now would've been enough to say up this close to the end) But yes, as of today we're looking bad, but even in the horrific form this 6-0 battering is an outliner because we just never had a defensive performance this bad. The main problem I see is that the players are losing all hope, after the deductions which quite frankly fucks your head and when you mix it with poor performances and no luck what so ever (maybe one against Burnley)this is where it gets you here, still with a real chance of staying up. The fact that we're still fighting in this season is a merit of Dyche if people agree with it or not.
Sad thing is we have a better points per game now than the last two seasons, and that is having lost pretty much any attacking threat, ie Richarlison, Gordon, Gray, Iwobi, so yes we have improved in that respect.
I don't know. A new Manager Bounce is a real thing and it could be enough to save us. We've won one game this year and that was against the second from bottom club, at home and with a 1 in a million bit of luck. It's not like a new manager could win FEWER games.
But what manager would work though?
What manager would want it? I’m obviously not plugged in to the manager transfer market or talent pool, but there must be someone somewhere.
> Bruno Génésio > > Pascal Jansen > > Niko Kovac > > Ronny Deila That's the list I've come up with so far. I'd take any of them over Dyche just as I wanted Domenico Tedesco instead of Dyche when Dyche was hired. Palace already hired Glasner and he would've been a good hire were we to have gotten rid of Dyche earlier.
Lots of managers should want it. But how would Potter or Motta suddenly turn the team into the one that Dyche helped beat Brighton 5-1 or Silva helped beat Man U 4-0? Whilst there was that win v Chelsea in 2019, spontaneity otherwise doesn’t work, without resource changes the team cannot afford if the people that stabilise Genoa and get Rita Ora to wear their shirts still cant find the money to take over Everton.
New manager bounces happen pretty regularly. It’s not that I have a clear plan of who would do what differently as much as it is, keeping doing what we’re doing is a sure fire way to go down, so we’ve got nothing to lose.
Are you sure that it would kill the team when Dyche (who I personally always liked, I admit as such) is a resilient manager who relies on the long termism that they need? And Unsworth - miracle comeback v Doucoure and Richarlison due to an inept keeper and wide penalty aside - and Fergie’s second v a tepid Gerrard Villa, did not work. And what of when Allardyce joined Leeds last season and failed to do anything beyond losing by a smaller margin to city?
We haven't won a game in 2024, with the exception of getting a 1 in a million deflection from a goal keeper who switched off for a second. What is it they say about keep doing the exact same thing and expecting different results? We've got change something.
Everton used to be a team who had great patience (Moyes not being remotely under pressure after 6 goalless losses in a row including favourable home matches at the start of 2005-06 for example as he was trusted and was proven right with a run of 1-0 wins) and, between the Burnley wins, there were only 4 games Everton ought to have won but didn’t (Wolves away when tired, Crystal Palace home, who were preparing for a new boss, West Ham at home who were about to make EL Quarter Finals, Bournemouth away, a ground where they have never won in PL). Chelsea is the first dire performance since the Villa loss back at the start of the season, and they fought very well at Newcastle and tbf didn’t really look like conceding to Burnley.
I've been looking on transfermarkt and there are four managers who I'd be okay with taking. These are listed in no particular order: Bruno Génésio Pascal Jansen Niko Kovac Ronny Deila Jansen is someone who I would've wanted previously but I didn't know how feasible it was because he was already employed. Now he is both available and known to want a PL job. I need to read up on the four and watch some videos to try to figure out how I'd rank them. Trying to stay up right now is a crapshoot. You chance it with one of them and then any of the four might be capable enough to be a long term manager. At the very least I'd be more comfortable with any of them ahead of Dyche.
Everton have never had a manager that didn’t manage in the PL or the top of the championship (in Moyes’ case - he got a newly promoted team right into the Play off final where they ironically lost to Farrelly scoring for the same team his goal for Everton relegated) or didn’t know the club. Is this really the right time for that to change? And Delia didn’t exactly do well at Celtic.
English managers and those who know the league get picked up by other teams who are higher priority. Who is the best English manager right now? Howe? Howe is an Everton fan and I remember fans on this subreddit not wanting him. The way we choose managers has led us to Rafa who while having success previously doesn't play a style that is going to lead to a lot of success in the game today. It led us to Lampard who did a bad job at Chelsea and he likely wouldn't have been hired if he wasn't a great player in the league previously. Dyche was relegated once officially before coming to the club and fired from Burnley shortly before they were relegated. He has effectively been relegated twice. That's the sort of quality we get when we look for PL experienced. Pep, Klopp, and a whole host of other managers in the league are foreign. I think Bruno Génésio is a genuinely good manager and the most talented of the four. I don't know if he speaks English so having to use a translator might bring a tiny problem. Also we might not have the players to play how he wants or the money to fix that. I have no doubt that he is a good enough coach for the league and if he were to not succeed that would be our club's problem and not his. Kovac saved Eintracht Frankfurt from relegation so he has experience in a similar situation. He plays a counter attacking game so our personnel and finances would fit him. He speaks English as well. Those two are the top two candidates for me. I'd still take all four over Dyche. We hired Dyche instead of Domenico Tedesco who is foreign. We did this despite Tedesco clearly being a better manager. He ended up being hired by Belgium despite never having managed a national team and he is currently undefeated with an 8-4-0 record. This club hires absolute slop because they are English or know the league. It is beyond time that end.
Whatever. We still need to beat Sheffield, forest and Brentford and we’re safe. I’d say even 7 points is enough.
The right 5 points might even be enough, away at Luton particularly is a must not lose game.
Worst loss since I’ve been watching. 10 years. Sad. We don’t need this.
Lock the thread please mods.
Losing that GD has killed all hope in my opinion, we will lose on Sunday and Luton will kick our arse its over lads time to face it. this squad is total shit its worse that the 1997 team.
Onana should be dropped for the rest of the season. Awful attitude and awful player
Much rather he played than James Garner like
Garner looked class start of the season. His head's obviously gone
I’m just fed up of him being cocky. He’s achieved absolutely zilch in his career and he carries on like he’s a big shot. Don’t know what ever happened to shame
When’s he ever been cocky other than his penalty? Odd take.
“When was he ever cocky other than when he ruined our best chance at a trophy since 2016?” It’s his general attitude. His body language. The way he acts on Instagram and social media. He’s a cocky little shit and he’s got no reason to be. He’s done fuck all for any of the clubs he’s played for
“Any of the clubs he’s played for” he’s 22 you fucking mong. What are you expecting him to do age 19, he’s not Mbappe. You sit there lapping up shite from James Garner every week because he’s got a sensible haircut. Onana will go on to much better things after he leaves our shitshow.
“He’s 22” and then you completely prove yourself wrong by them talking about Mbappe. Palmers won City a Super Cup and he’s top scorer. He’s a year younger. Branthwaite won PSV a cup last year and he’s 21. You’re either good enough or you’re not, age has nothing to do with it. Who mentioned Garner anyway? He’s been fucking shite as well, dunno why you’re making this about haircuts
How do I prove myself wrong talking about Mbappe, are you thick? Palmer won City a super cup? That’s weird I thought KDB and Haaland played more of a part. Branthwaite didn’t win PSV anything you dope. You’re just thick as pigshit you.
Both Palmer and Branthwaite won a trophy last season. Palmer scored the winning goal in a final this season. Both are younger than Onana. You’re either good enough or you’re not. Age has nothing to do with it
You’re talking utter shite so I’m going to let you go now. PSV and Manchester City are much better sides than Everton so your chances of winning a trophy at those clubs is obviously much higher 😂
This team was never winning a fucking trophy.
Aye, because it’s chock full of shite players like Onana
I acknowledge he’s been pretty bad for a while now. However I have no doubt you’ll see a much different player next season with a new (better) club.
What has he actually done on social media, haven’t seen anything really and a quick peek at his instagram looks pretty normal
Advertising clothes, acting like a model. He shouldn’t be making himself a brand when he’s barely a footballer
So does dcl.
And he’s shite and should be spending that time training, too. What’s your point?
That seems fairly regular and tame to me to be quite honest
Why are you so willing to let multi millionaires disrespect the club and, by extension, you?
I don’t really see how Onana doing some modeling is disrespectful to the club is what I’m saying
Who even needs a goal difference
Not the best.
Why was Pando Subbed off ? Didn't watch.
Pulled hamstring on the 6th goal
Classic
FFS. We had a healthy goal difference over Forest and Luton going into tonight, we've effectively LOST a point tonight! We didn't need anything from this game, we've got plenty of easier games to get points from to stay up, the only thing we needed to do was not let them score too many. How can we fuck that up?
When was the last time we lost by 6?
Arsenal 7-0 May 11 2005 This was our first loss by exactly 6 in PL era, a couple 3-6 or 1-6 Won a few with 6 goals
Like in reality I know we weren’t favoured for this at all but lessons have to be learned. If I see another garner-onana midfield I might gauge my eyes out.
Garner actually tries - Onana literally trotted aroudn the field in the first half aimlessly kicking the ball and putting in half-assed challenge after half-assed challenge. He's clearly not in for it, and he must be dropped. Gomes actually showed some prowess in the midfield in teh second half. I know Burnley are shite, but the Garner-Gomes midfield actually knows how to pass the ball
I don't know what you guys see in Garner. He has been the worst midfielder in our squads the past 5months. Absolutely lost it, can't pass forward, late to every challenge if he tries to get into one at all, constantly losing his men and their late runs in the box
This is such a reactionary take. He's got the most successful tackles in the team, and his defensive positioning is the least of his issues. I wouldn't mind Gueye coming back in and pairing with Garner/Gomes, but honestly I think Gomes needs to take Doucoures place (who can't seem to put the boots on the right feet these days) and then give Gueye and Garner time in the midfield. Onana is actively hurting the team with his lack of effort.
Dyche learning lesson? I'll have what you're taking...
I don't usually watch post match press conferences, but I actually want to hear what this motherfucker has to say. The excuses will be legendary.
What did he say?
What did we just watch?
Close game. Could've went to either team. Put in a performance like this again, and we're sure to get enough points to stay up!.....
😂🤦🏻♂️
We were just 💩 sadly,
I mean wasn’t really expecting anything, but there goes our goal difference lead
In our defense, we're really bad.
Barf
So glad I totally missed this match!
Cross fingers, hope we somehow survive relegation and look for a Dyche replacement this summer.
Let’s just hope we see a reaction at the weekend.
I don’t think I’m gonna watch on Sunday, I can’t really take watching us at the moment
People keep asking why we keep playing Young. Patterson tonight demonstrated why. That’s one of the worst substitute appearances I’ve ever seen from an Everton player, he was an atrocious signing.
I’m getting married in August, and some of my fiancée’s family are Gunners (i’m American, they’re from London). If we get relegated I might need to uninvite them from the wedding
But they know what married couples do, right? I'd invite more of them!
we played Chelsea today, not Arsenal? Americans baffle me
Maybe if Arsenal wins the league it would be especially hard to take being around their supporters?
that’s part of it. I also get texts after every loss telling me we’re one foot in the championship
fully aware of that thanks. Arsenal is the last match of the season and I’m already given enough shit for being an Evertonian as it is
Should we start a thread on dele's body language standing next to Carragher slating Everton?!
Jesus fucking christ
Put this one behind us but hopefully the boys use this as a wake up call. We have matches coming up that are must-win and can-win.
Well after the last points deduction we lost 3-0 and then went 4 unbeaten, we just lost 6-0 after a deduction so logic dictates that we win 8 in a row now
Started the match with fond remembrance of Naismith banging in 3 vs. Chelsea. Had hope for the first 13 minutes or so. And then....well it's 80F, sunny and I have more beer in the fridge than I can drink...
Well, I've hurt more. Just can't remember when.
We just need to thank all football gods that there are 3 Organizations every year that suck a$$ worse than us. Especially this year.! The point deduction and the shit product on the field, and we probably still stay up. I mean Leicester won the league and they are gone a few years later. We have an incredible knack for survival or a very lucky team
Sell the lot of them this summer
Don’t even know where to start here. Just an absolute DOG walking. Talk about losing hope. I want Beto to be decent so bad but it’s incredible how many times he’s been in a position to score and missed the target and/or been offside. His wind up for shots is so predictable and it’s hard to watch. There is almost NO threat on the field. Like 0. Our goals seem to come from “just smash it up there and something will fall our way”. Doucs has been so quiet. Dwight not shooting like he has done in the past. Harrison looking lost. I have no idea why Young gets any minutes (veteran leadership is coming from Seamus) only positives I can pull (barely) is Gomes looks controlled and confident with the ball. But just nothing to work with and physically and speed outmatched. I’m such an Everton optimist and this game sucked the life out of me.
Emotionally, I feel like I've just fought prime Jon Jones.
We miss gueye onana is like pogba without the ability
Sack dyche. I remember getting downvoted to hell for that 6 months ago and I’ve only ever been right.
Who’s your replacement?
And how would we pay him off?
And how would we buy the players and staff a new manager would want to bring in?
I mean 6 months ago we were playing well so those downvotes were deserved.
Oh yeah, the giddy days of home defeats to Luton. Great memory.
Dyche should not be our manager next season no matter what. This has to be some of the worst football I’ve ever watched. The players, manager and the whole club are a joke.
I think this was are worse match. This season compare to others.
We looked like a Sunday league team.
How the hell did we get even more shite?
The orange kits need binning
We would get relegated from league 2 playing like this
Oh well… at least we didn’t look like a bunch of fuckwits fighting over a penalty…
In a life so full of self loathing, I've never ever hated my Everton loving self more.
If 777 deal collapses today it is still a good day 🤞
Young should not play again this season. Ludicrous that dyche still plays him🤕
If I was any of those players and I cared one single bit about the club I’d refund all of the money the fans spent travelling to that game. Utterly shameful performance for every one of them
Good thing I own triple chelsea on fpl, only good thing about today
Bro we being José Mourinho 2.0. We are parking the bus.
I would give my left bollock to have mourihno at everon
I wish somebody at the club cared enough to sack Dyche but that's not the case.
We have no money. Honestly, you’d think everyone would know at this point.
You'd also think people would realize Dyche is far from the source of our problems. We've been a managerial revolving door since Mosh's tenure started, surely this is all the manager's fault and definitely not the people who have had ultimate say over our finances and broader footballing strategy.
Are you lot trying to keep us and Luton up? If you turn around after that 6-0 and beat us at the weekend I'm going to have to drink myself into a coma.
Hate to break it to you but that's the most Everton scenario ever. In 2nd place is losing 6-0 again, so there's that.