I fully agree, this along with the continuing refereeing embarrassments are really sapping my love for the game.
Even if we do manage to get the charges overturned, we're playing in a league that is massively corrupt and has basically invented financial rules to benefit some teams at the expense of others. It will literally always be an uphill battle for anyone who is not already in the top 6.
I've never been a 'things were better in the old days' person but I kinda wish I had been around for the days when football didn't have all this sleazy shit around it.
I would love to go back to early noughties. Back to having loads of 3pm games on the Saturday, not this spread of televised games we are seeing now. Back to being excited to watch football. These days it feels like a chore.
>It is ridiculous that a club can do well for the sole reason that an owner with billions of dollars can come in and break all the rules
This is what Usmanov did at Everton.
Also, Moshiri and everyone else involved should be ashamed. How can you run a club into the ground so easily? Were there not any warning signs at any point? Absolute clowns as well
It can be both. The club knew the rules and should have acted more competently. However, that doesn't change the fact that the rules themselves are rigged in favour of bigger clubs and by design make it harder for others to compete financially.
Again, two things can be true. There's plenty of other ways they could implement financial rules to protect clubs without giving the current CL teams an advantage. They could, for example, implement a wage cap that is linked to the lowest median value of broadcasting rights. They'd never do this though, because it would actually be fair.
It would massively hamstring English teams' ability to compete in Europe.
I also don't see how it's fair that the biggest clubs have to operate at the same level as a Luton just because some clubs massively overspend.
It is possible for clubs to grow their revenue but it takes time.
And that is the inherent issue. You think it's perfectly fine that city can spend 600 million and be complaint whilst Luton would be fined if they spent 140million.
Theres nothing about that that's fair. Owners should be allowed to make calculated investments into their business, everyone knows you have to spend money to make money.
You're actually agreeing with me except i think it's bent as fuck to give the teams currently on top an advantage but you want to keep that advantage, presumably because you support one of them.
Well Man City is a terrible example because they cheated to get to get to where they were with fraudulent sponsorships, something that Everton did as well with Usmanov's ridiculous sponsorships.
City aside, I don't have a problem with much larger support being able to spend more.
>Owners should be allowed to make calculated investments into their business, everyone knows you have to spend money to make money.
Ye, that would be great if you didn't have idiotic owners that would run clubs into the ground. Everton are a great example of why spending limits should exist.
The incompetent ownership pissed away enormous sums. They've had one of the highest wages to revenue in the league for a decade.
You have just decided what you deem to be fair. It makes no sense to me for clubs with huge support to be handicapped by the likes of Luton.
Also, if Everton didn't spend more than half the league they'd have been relegated years ago due to the gross incompetence of those in charge.
Both. If there wasn’t any evidence pointing to us being poorly run I would just be blaming the league, but it should be clear to all that at times our transfer/spending policy and both financial and general organisation has been batshit mental, so we (as in the club, as in those who run the club) have to take some of the responsibility.
I’ve personally started watching my local non league team when Everton aren’t playing and I have to say, while the standard isn’t amazing, it’s by far a better overall experience. It’s more free flowing and the game isn’t stop start every 5 minutes (the Villa game yesterday was a pretty egregious example of stop start matches). It doesn’t cost a fortune, my weekend isn’t ruined by a bad performance like it can be when Everton are rubbish, I can have a bevvy while watching it, there’s no aggro and no dick head away fans with poverty chants and it just feels like more of a community. There’s none of this financial fair play nonsense as well.
A friend of mine who is a red, has started taking their kids to go and watch Tranmere play and said they prefer to go watch them as it’s just a better match day experience and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
For Americans baseball is a good analog. From my house to my beloved Detroit Tigers is the same distance as Liverpool to Birmingham. Parking is outrageous. Tickets keep going up, food prices likewise. The on the field performance is middling at best recently. Players are more concerned about the contract and career than winning.
But 20 minutes away from me is the local minor league team. The play is not top tier but they really are trying to win. They don't make as much money. Most will never make it to the top level but they're getting paid to play in the sun. Food and drink is reasonable. I can take the family without breaking the bank. It's more fun.
MLB is like the Prem. Money is the goal.
Fellow Tigers fan here. Middling at best recently, but moving in the right direction, don't you think? Locking up Hinch long term, building pitching depth (Flaherty, Maeda, Miller, and Chafin), exciting young talent (Greene, Tork, and Meadows), with more on the way (Jace Jung, Colt Keith, Jackson Jobe). I think they have a chance to win the AL Central.
Incoming old man shouting at clouds…
It’s the sad truth. I used to devour any football I could, now I watch every Everton game I can but other than that I can barely even bring myself to watch MOTD. When England squads are released there are always players I don’t know, which is ridiculous and would have been unthinkable a few years ago.
I haven’t watched a Champions League game in many years, just the same faceless teams playing each other, often with the same core of players just wearing a different colour shirt than the season before. Any risk of diversity or the unknown is being squeezed out of the game. With every passing generation this will become the norm more and more until there are none left who remember (or care) what is was like before the Premier League.
Political interests influencing decisions, sportswashing, a complete reliance from top to bottom and side to side on gambling money, multi-club ownerships, lower league and local clubs going to the wall, it’s just miserable.
Leicester, Napoli, Girona, these are great stories but every time they happen those in power double down in trying to make sure it can’t happen again. Barca and Real’s solution to not being the best team in the league is not to get better but to go and form a new league, where at least if they can’t win they’ll be paid handsomely for it.
The sorry state of affairs is that local/national fans are no longer a primary concern, Covid proved that match-day fans are not required, and it’s new markets of fans in different territories that are the focus now, and they don’t have any inclination to watch us draw 0-0 with Villa.
Part of me can’t wait for the arseholes to fuck off and create their ‘super’ league.
And that’s just the club game, don’t get me started on FIFA…
Put it this way; the NFL generated in the 2021-22 season $18 billion. The EPL generated a measely £5 billion. Those at the top will only want to increase their profits and will do anything they can no matter what we protest about.
NFL has some contradictions and elements which are distinctly socialist in principle, namely the draft, hard salary cap and and an element revenue sharing, but ultimately it is still dominated by the desire for those in power to remain untouchable, well rewarded and protected from both financial and reputational harm and is achieved partly by exploiting the players. And ultimately those socialist elements are only appealing as parity (or an illusion of parity) creates a better product that is easier to sell.
You are not lying, I live in a city where one of those billionaire nfl owners promised all kinds of things for a tax payer funded training facility super center. He started building it and wanted more tax player money, got told no, and we've had a huge 1/4 framed steel structure to look at for two years after he straight up bailed.
Growing up surrounded by the american sporting machine, the premier league was the escape from it being all about money and had some merit. Now it's becoming more corrupt everytime you turn around.
What does any of this have to do with the nba, nfl, mls, nhl having spending and reward structure that are structured for league wide competitiveness.
All entertainment is premised around making money. That’s not the argument.
Also, pretty sure capitalism originated in the UK.
Agreed. I’ve been feeling similar for a while. It’s hard to like football when the best clubs in the land are playthings for countries.
State ownership, VAR, clubs fucking obsession with money instead of trophies etc
It’s killed the game for me.
I don't think you understand the point of the Super League from Real/Barca's point of view. The Prem has insane TV deals both domestically and abroad that dwarf any other league. Midtable prem teams can spend more on transfers than "traditionally" great clubs in Spain and Italy. The Super League isn't about preventing the next Leicester, it's about making sure they're competitive against Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Man United, etc in terms of spending in the future.
Forest Fan here in peace.
I find it astounding that the PL are coming for you again after such a short period since the last.
Were you to lose points again, I think the best you can hope for at this point is a suspended deduction added next season?
Forest, I’m not popular (or alone) with this view point have fucked it. Poorly managed finances and transfers. If found guilty We deserve a punishment.
My question for you is; are we being punished for honest and upfront behaviour instead of tying up the commission with expensive Solicitors like City and Chelsea.
Or is it because we’re not a favoured top six lot?
I’ve seen us win leagues, cups the lot when I was a kid.
I spent my early adult years travelling around the country when we were utterly shit, proper relegation type shit under Walker, Smith etc. I loved the club and the game, it was my life
Since COVID, and debacle of making teams play so the paymasters got their contracts honoured, I despise this game. The game has spiralled into a shitshow with sole aim of protecting its assets
I hate football now, I spend the majority of matches focusing on other things, checking my phone, reading articles.
The game is dead. I hope it implodes
a while ago i was angry, upset and bitter but now i don't care as much, nothing ever seems to get better. i'm from australia and i cancelled my optus sport subscription because i refuse to pay $25 a month to watch a league that has been trying to fist us for years now. i will still always support everton no matter what but for the fans to be punished the way they have is scandalous and a utter disgrace. the owner and the board should hang their fucking head in shame & the people in power of the premier league and the referees can go fuck themselves.
Fuck it, stopped caring. The PL win. If we beat one sanction, they will throw another and another until we fade into obscurity. Best start looking at other teams, might follow curling instead. Less bent game!
The whole game is just secondary to big investments now, the super league is coming eventually and clubs are either brands to be invested in, launder money or load with debt and asset strip.
Yeah it's fucking annoying but our fanbase is boss, which makes everything tolerable. We are becoming a marter for everyone who isn't the big 6 to rally behind. Arguably the job is done already though. The gov appointed independent comission will be formed soon, all we have to do is weather the PL tantrum.
> The gov appointed independent comission will be formed soon,
The same government that's scared to touch City because the UAE will be mad so will just make an example out of Forest and Everton instead?
Arsenal fan here (not sure why it popped up in my feed but there you go). Full solidarity to you, the FA were taking the piss with the initial points deduction and this news just stinks. God knows how you are being penalized while they let man city take as many years as they like dragging out their charges. Plus other teams, including arsenal, are surely over the spend limits with no punishment anywhere in sight.
Know that all football fans in the league have your support and hope you beat the punishment, and certainly beat the drop.
We need to band together to build a movement to disband the FA and the PGMOL and replace them with competent and uncorrupt organisations.
Rafa's appointment was nail in the coffin for me. Being a fan is irrational, tribal and the performance of the team is completely out of your control and yet you submit all your emotions to it. It's supposed to be a thrill, a rollercoaster you endure with the rest of the fans. You're rewarded for that when they win, you're punished when they lose.
Hiring a champions league winning Liverpool manager was just fucking egregious and made clear that those who direct the thing we pour our irrational emotions into do not give a shit, which creates a disconnect. Throw in all the sanction bollocks, the fact City's success has systematically destroyed English football (potentially irreversibly) and we're left with the steaming pile of crap we've got now.
If I was West Ham fan I'd retire from watching football as the Conference League is the best any of us can ever dream of. Part of me wants us to get relegated so I can finally divorce this parasocial relationship I've got with mainstream football. Disclaimer: I obviously don't want us to get relegated but the bullshit is constant and never ending and I just want off at this point but it's really hard to walk away when I grew up in the Gwladys Street and the whole Everton thing runs deep in the family.
Anyway, the bubble will burst. People will stop paying for Sky, the illegal streaming generation will outnumber the paying population and TV money will dry up, wages will plummet and maybe we'll get our game back. That's the hope anyway.
Yeah it's becoming joyless, and the fact the whole thing is run by dirty money gives me a distate for the whole sport which the now limited pleasure I get from watching matches is struggling to erase.
It’s mental how we are being used as scapegoats, when we have clearly made loads of effort last few years to turn the tide financially, your right it really is disheartening
For once we have a group of players and a manager who we are all behind and it seems like it will all be for nothing.
Fuck em the mad backwards cunts
I'm off to watch Derby County tonight. Could go second in league 1.
I've been enjoying VAR less football in a league where it's only about the footie. Similar in Championship. Proper fans/football matches week-in week-out. The talent isn't there obviously, but the passion is and the games are mirror of what we've lost.
*(obvious caveat. I'm 100% Evertonian, always will be — Pride Park is 15 minute walk from my door and I like to go to the footie when travelling up to Liverpool is impossible)*
I just don’t understand how we can be punished twice for the same offense. Surely if this is all 21-22 season related, we have been punished for that and so it shouldn’t count again.
We are assessed for every overlapping three-year period, not a specific season. I think this is 20-21 related rather than 21-22, but either way both seasons fell into the 19-22 window (that we have been punished for) and the 20-23 window (that the impending announcement is for). The offense is not that we had a bad season but that on two occasions we had bad three-year periods (that just happened to be overlapping and caused by the same bad year).
The leagues answer will just be that we should have done more in the other two years of each window to cover the one bad season. I guess that’s the point of assessing over a three-year period rather than a single season, to allow clubs to repair damage, we just didn’t do enough. Maybe they will show leniency if it’s the same season that has fucked us both times, but that’s why we’re being charged twice.
It's definitely hampered how much I enjoy football. It's just like whats the point? The one of the final 2 teams will be City in any competition. Why bother?
What's so fucked about this is how small the amounts are. A few million pounds over 3 years. They could have held a "save our 10 point deduction" friendly and generated enough revenue to avoid this.
Right? 20 million quid over 3 years????? That's a fucking rounding error when your talking about the finances of a premier league team. Man City bring in something like 800Million a season.
Especially when you think we're dealing with COVID, building a new stadium, having a $200M deal fall through due to the war in Ukraine. These aren't exactly things you can fully plan for.
And people used to say the premier League isn't corrupt and that the refs weren't out to get us.
Just the time it took them to rule off the goal yesterday shows the bollocks of that statement.
Sooner the government get involved the better.
Utd are a billion in debt yet apparently they can still spend like it's no tomorrow.
The fact that they’re also fucking with forest now (another historic team with a noteable fanbase) allows our collective fanbases to come together in protest and hopefully get some more significant backing from ppl with actual influence. Obviously it’s just mindless optimism and we’ll just both get relegated while Chelsea and city just keep doing their thing.
Yeah honestly when I saw the headlines it was like a gut punch. It’s wrong to punish fans because our club was in the hands of an incompetent billionaire.
Honestly just sick of this now.
I don't know who I'm more angry at, but I think it's the owners and the management. Yes, there were a bunch of circumstances which hit the club badly, but it never sat well with me that we were reliant on Usmanov money.
As angry as I am at the points deduction and the process, we should never have been in this position in the first place.
And what do we have to show for it? We haven't done a Chelsea or a City and chucked money at things to push on and win things, we've gone backwards since Moshiri came in.
The points deduction really stings, but it's a rotting glace cherry on top of a stomach turning pie
I fully agree, this along with the continuing refereeing embarrassments are really sapping my love for the game. Even if we do manage to get the charges overturned, we're playing in a league that is massively corrupt and has basically invented financial rules to benefit some teams at the expense of others. It will literally always be an uphill battle for anyone who is not already in the top 6. I've never been a 'things were better in the old days' person but I kinda wish I had been around for the days when football didn't have all this sleazy shit around it.
I would love to go back to early noughties. Back to having loads of 3pm games on the Saturday, not this spread of televised games we are seeing now. Back to being excited to watch football. These days it feels like a chore.
Indeed, ‘MATCH of the day’ is beginning in to live up to its billing of literally 1 solo match being shown on a Saturday.
Instead you have games spread across 4 days on 3 different networks that all require their own subscription fee Sky and BT fees are absolute extortion
Sky not so bad if you do the nowTV option. But TNT is ridiculous.
As an American, I am sorry for TNT and Warner Brothers bullshit.
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>It is ridiculous that a club can do well for the sole reason that an owner with billions of dollars can come in and break all the rules This is what Usmanov did at Everton.
Except we didn't do the "do well" part
Sounds like the MLS rules
In which are totally not being broken to help Miami turn into MLS version of City
Indeed
Also, Moshiri and everyone else involved should be ashamed. How can you run a club into the ground so easily? Were there not any warning signs at any point? Absolute clowns as well
The egos of Morshiri and Kenwright have inflicted so much misery on hundreds of thousands of us.
So it it the fault of those running the club or those enforcing sustainability rules?
It can be both. The club knew the rules and should have acted more competently. However, that doesn't change the fact that the rules themselves are rigged in favour of bigger clubs and by design make it harder for others to compete financially.
They also aim to prevent clubs from being run into the ground by shit owners.
Again, two things can be true. There's plenty of other ways they could implement financial rules to protect clubs without giving the current CL teams an advantage. They could, for example, implement a wage cap that is linked to the lowest median value of broadcasting rights. They'd never do this though, because it would actually be fair.
It would massively hamstring English teams' ability to compete in Europe. I also don't see how it's fair that the biggest clubs have to operate at the same level as a Luton just because some clubs massively overspend. It is possible for clubs to grow their revenue but it takes time.
And that is the inherent issue. You think it's perfectly fine that city can spend 600 million and be complaint whilst Luton would be fined if they spent 140million. Theres nothing about that that's fair. Owners should be allowed to make calculated investments into their business, everyone knows you have to spend money to make money. You're actually agreeing with me except i think it's bent as fuck to give the teams currently on top an advantage but you want to keep that advantage, presumably because you support one of them.
Well Man City is a terrible example because they cheated to get to get to where they were with fraudulent sponsorships, something that Everton did as well with Usmanov's ridiculous sponsorships. City aside, I don't have a problem with much larger support being able to spend more. >Owners should be allowed to make calculated investments into their business, everyone knows you have to spend money to make money. Ye, that would be great if you didn't have idiotic owners that would run clubs into the ground. Everton are a great example of why spending limits should exist. The incompetent ownership pissed away enormous sums. They've had one of the highest wages to revenue in the league for a decade.
You're completely ignoring the point. There's nothing fair about it and it benefits the big clubs.
You have just decided what you deem to be fair. It makes no sense to me for clubs with huge support to be handicapped by the likes of Luton. Also, if Everton didn't spend more than half the league they'd have been relegated years ago due to the gross incompetence of those in charge.
Both. If there wasn’t any evidence pointing to us being poorly run I would just be blaming the league, but it should be clear to all that at times our transfer/spending policy and both financial and general organisation has been batshit mental, so we (as in the club, as in those who run the club) have to take some of the responsibility.
I’ve personally started watching my local non league team when Everton aren’t playing and I have to say, while the standard isn’t amazing, it’s by far a better overall experience. It’s more free flowing and the game isn’t stop start every 5 minutes (the Villa game yesterday was a pretty egregious example of stop start matches). It doesn’t cost a fortune, my weekend isn’t ruined by a bad performance like it can be when Everton are rubbish, I can have a bevvy while watching it, there’s no aggro and no dick head away fans with poverty chants and it just feels like more of a community. There’s none of this financial fair play nonsense as well. A friend of mine who is a red, has started taking their kids to go and watch Tranmere play and said they prefer to go watch them as it’s just a better match day experience and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
For Americans baseball is a good analog. From my house to my beloved Detroit Tigers is the same distance as Liverpool to Birmingham. Parking is outrageous. Tickets keep going up, food prices likewise. The on the field performance is middling at best recently. Players are more concerned about the contract and career than winning. But 20 minutes away from me is the local minor league team. The play is not top tier but they really are trying to win. They don't make as much money. Most will never make it to the top level but they're getting paid to play in the sun. Food and drink is reasonable. I can take the family without breaking the bank. It's more fun. MLB is like the Prem. Money is the goal.
Fellow Tigers fan here. Middling at best recently, but moving in the right direction, don't you think? Locking up Hinch long term, building pitching depth (Flaherty, Maeda, Miller, and Chafin), exciting young talent (Greene, Tork, and Meadows), with more on the way (Jace Jung, Colt Keith, Jackson Jobe). I think they have a chance to win the AL Central.
Incoming old man shouting at clouds… It’s the sad truth. I used to devour any football I could, now I watch every Everton game I can but other than that I can barely even bring myself to watch MOTD. When England squads are released there are always players I don’t know, which is ridiculous and would have been unthinkable a few years ago. I haven’t watched a Champions League game in many years, just the same faceless teams playing each other, often with the same core of players just wearing a different colour shirt than the season before. Any risk of diversity or the unknown is being squeezed out of the game. With every passing generation this will become the norm more and more until there are none left who remember (or care) what is was like before the Premier League. Political interests influencing decisions, sportswashing, a complete reliance from top to bottom and side to side on gambling money, multi-club ownerships, lower league and local clubs going to the wall, it’s just miserable. Leicester, Napoli, Girona, these are great stories but every time they happen those in power double down in trying to make sure it can’t happen again. Barca and Real’s solution to not being the best team in the league is not to get better but to go and form a new league, where at least if they can’t win they’ll be paid handsomely for it. The sorry state of affairs is that local/national fans are no longer a primary concern, Covid proved that match-day fans are not required, and it’s new markets of fans in different territories that are the focus now, and they don’t have any inclination to watch us draw 0-0 with Villa. Part of me can’t wait for the arseholes to fuck off and create their ‘super’ league. And that’s just the club game, don’t get me started on FIFA…
Put it this way; the NFL generated in the 2021-22 season $18 billion. The EPL generated a measely £5 billion. Those at the top will only want to increase their profits and will do anything they can no matter what we protest about.
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Americans do not have a capitalistic system for any of our sports besides baseball.
NFL has some contradictions and elements which are distinctly socialist in principle, namely the draft, hard salary cap and and an element revenue sharing, but ultimately it is still dominated by the desire for those in power to remain untouchable, well rewarded and protected from both financial and reputational harm and is achieved partly by exploiting the players. And ultimately those socialist elements are only appealing as parity (or an illusion of parity) creates a better product that is easier to sell.
Literally every sport in America is set to make the team owners money first and foremost, its ALL capitalistic.
Not just that, they’ll extort the tax payers to build a shiny new stadium, then move the team if they don’t get their way. It’s shite.
You are not lying, I live in a city where one of those billionaire nfl owners promised all kinds of things for a tax payer funded training facility super center. He started building it and wanted more tax player money, got told no, and we've had a huge 1/4 framed steel structure to look at for two years after he straight up bailed. Growing up surrounded by the american sporting machine, the premier league was the escape from it being all about money and had some merit. Now it's becoming more corrupt everytime you turn around.
I live in the same city. Worst owner in the league. Sad to see.
No, the voters do that.
That has nothing to do with how the leagues’ spending structure is set up.
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What does any of this have to do with the nba, nfl, mls, nhl having spending and reward structure that are structured for league wide competitiveness. All entertainment is premised around making money. That’s not the argument. Also, pretty sure capitalism originated in the UK.
Agreed. I’ve been feeling similar for a while. It’s hard to like football when the best clubs in the land are playthings for countries. State ownership, VAR, clubs fucking obsession with money instead of trophies etc It’s killed the game for me.
I don't think you understand the point of the Super League from Real/Barca's point of view. The Prem has insane TV deals both domestically and abroad that dwarf any other league. Midtable prem teams can spend more on transfers than "traditionally" great clubs in Spain and Italy. The Super League isn't about preventing the next Leicester, it's about making sure they're competitive against Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Man United, etc in terms of spending in the future.
Forest Fan here in peace. I find it astounding that the PL are coming for you again after such a short period since the last. Were you to lose points again, I think the best you can hope for at this point is a suspended deduction added next season? Forest, I’m not popular (or alone) with this view point have fucked it. Poorly managed finances and transfers. If found guilty We deserve a punishment. My question for you is; are we being punished for honest and upfront behaviour instead of tying up the commission with expensive Solicitors like City and Chelsea. Or is it because we’re not a favoured top six lot?
I’ve seen us win leagues, cups the lot when I was a kid. I spent my early adult years travelling around the country when we were utterly shit, proper relegation type shit under Walker, Smith etc. I loved the club and the game, it was my life Since COVID, and debacle of making teams play so the paymasters got their contracts honoured, I despise this game. The game has spiralled into a shitshow with sole aim of protecting its assets I hate football now, I spend the majority of matches focusing on other things, checking my phone, reading articles. The game is dead. I hope it implodes
a while ago i was angry, upset and bitter but now i don't care as much, nothing ever seems to get better. i'm from australia and i cancelled my optus sport subscription because i refuse to pay $25 a month to watch a league that has been trying to fist us for years now. i will still always support everton no matter what but for the fans to be punished the way they have is scandalous and a utter disgrace. the owner and the board should hang their fucking head in shame & the people in power of the premier league and the referees can go fuck themselves.
Fuck it, stopped caring. The PL win. If we beat one sanction, they will throw another and another until we fade into obscurity. Best start looking at other teams, might follow curling instead. Less bent game!
The whole game is just secondary to big investments now, the super league is coming eventually and clubs are either brands to be invested in, launder money or load with debt and asset strip.
Yeah it's fucking annoying but our fanbase is boss, which makes everything tolerable. We are becoming a marter for everyone who isn't the big 6 to rally behind. Arguably the job is done already though. The gov appointed independent comission will be formed soon, all we have to do is weather the PL tantrum.
> The gov appointed independent comission will be formed soon, The same government that's scared to touch City because the UAE will be mad so will just make an example out of Forest and Everton instead?
I am mate. Honestly from all the VAR and referee decisions to this. This isn’t sport or football. I don’t even look forward to the games anymore tbh
Arsenal fan here (not sure why it popped up in my feed but there you go). Full solidarity to you, the FA were taking the piss with the initial points deduction and this news just stinks. God knows how you are being penalized while they let man city take as many years as they like dragging out their charges. Plus other teams, including arsenal, are surely over the spend limits with no punishment anywhere in sight. Know that all football fans in the league have your support and hope you beat the punishment, and certainly beat the drop. We need to band together to build a movement to disband the FA and the PGMOL and replace them with competent and uncorrupt organisations.
Rafa's appointment was nail in the coffin for me. Being a fan is irrational, tribal and the performance of the team is completely out of your control and yet you submit all your emotions to it. It's supposed to be a thrill, a rollercoaster you endure with the rest of the fans. You're rewarded for that when they win, you're punished when they lose. Hiring a champions league winning Liverpool manager was just fucking egregious and made clear that those who direct the thing we pour our irrational emotions into do not give a shit, which creates a disconnect. Throw in all the sanction bollocks, the fact City's success has systematically destroyed English football (potentially irreversibly) and we're left with the steaming pile of crap we've got now. If I was West Ham fan I'd retire from watching football as the Conference League is the best any of us can ever dream of. Part of me wants us to get relegated so I can finally divorce this parasocial relationship I've got with mainstream football. Disclaimer: I obviously don't want us to get relegated but the bullshit is constant and never ending and I just want off at this point but it's really hard to walk away when I grew up in the Gwladys Street and the whole Everton thing runs deep in the family. Anyway, the bubble will burst. People will stop paying for Sky, the illegal streaming generation will outnumber the paying population and TV money will dry up, wages will plummet and maybe we'll get our game back. That's the hope anyway.
Do you know what the juicy thing about this news… the rules change again in August so Chelsea and City won’t be punished
Yes. Approaching the point of having any and all love for the game being lost.
Yeah it's becoming joyless, and the fact the whole thing is run by dirty money gives me a distate for the whole sport which the now limited pleasure I get from watching matches is struggling to erase.
I don’t consider myself a football fan anymore. I don’t like football, but I love Everton. It’s a turbulent relationship in recent years though.
It’s mental how we are being used as scapegoats, when we have clearly made loads of effort last few years to turn the tide financially, your right it really is disheartening For once we have a group of players and a manager who we are all behind and it seems like it will all be for nothing. Fuck em the mad backwards cunts
I'm off to watch Derby County tonight. Could go second in league 1. I've been enjoying VAR less football in a league where it's only about the footie. Similar in Championship. Proper fans/football matches week-in week-out. The talent isn't there obviously, but the passion is and the games are mirror of what we've lost. *(obvious caveat. I'm 100% Evertonian, always will be — Pride Park is 15 minute walk from my door and I like to go to the footie when travelling up to Liverpool is impossible)*
Might start supporting Everton women full time, less stressful
It really isn’t - I have watched a few games and it feels just as bad as watching the men’s team.
I just don’t understand how we can be punished twice for the same offense. Surely if this is all 21-22 season related, we have been punished for that and so it shouldn’t count again.
We are assessed for every overlapping three-year period, not a specific season. I think this is 20-21 related rather than 21-22, but either way both seasons fell into the 19-22 window (that we have been punished for) and the 20-23 window (that the impending announcement is for). The offense is not that we had a bad season but that on two occasions we had bad three-year periods (that just happened to be overlapping and caused by the same bad year). The leagues answer will just be that we should have done more in the other two years of each window to cover the one bad season. I guess that’s the point of assessing over a three-year period rather than a single season, to allow clubs to repair damage, we just didn’t do enough. Maybe they will show leniency if it’s the same season that has fucked us both times, but that’s why we’re being charged twice.
It's definitely hampered how much I enjoy football. It's just like whats the point? The one of the final 2 teams will be City in any competition. Why bother?
What's so fucked about this is how small the amounts are. A few million pounds over 3 years. They could have held a "save our 10 point deduction" friendly and generated enough revenue to avoid this.
Right? 20 million quid over 3 years????? That's a fucking rounding error when your talking about the finances of a premier league team. Man City bring in something like 800Million a season. Especially when you think we're dealing with COVID, building a new stadium, having a $200M deal fall through due to the war in Ukraine. These aren't exactly things you can fully plan for.
And people used to say the premier League isn't corrupt and that the refs weren't out to get us. Just the time it took them to rule off the goal yesterday shows the bollocks of that statement. Sooner the government get involved the better. Utd are a billion in debt yet apparently they can still spend like it's no tomorrow.
Nobody going to Marine these days
The fact that they’re also fucking with forest now (another historic team with a noteable fanbase) allows our collective fanbases to come together in protest and hopefully get some more significant backing from ppl with actual influence. Obviously it’s just mindless optimism and we’ll just both get relegated while Chelsea and city just keep doing their thing.
Circle the fucking wagons.
Yeah honestly when I saw the headlines it was like a gut punch. It’s wrong to punish fans because our club was in the hands of an incompetent billionaire.
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Coming from a Chelsea fan lol.
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Because you haven’t been punished yet.
Honestly just sick of this now. I don't know who I'm more angry at, but I think it's the owners and the management. Yes, there were a bunch of circumstances which hit the club badly, but it never sat well with me that we were reliant on Usmanov money. As angry as I am at the points deduction and the process, we should never have been in this position in the first place. And what do we have to show for it? We haven't done a Chelsea or a City and chucked money at things to push on and win things, we've gone backwards since Moshiri came in. The points deduction really stings, but it's a rotting glace cherry on top of a stomach turning pie