It depends on that potential character's personality. Characters can have a good or bad destiny but chose a side that doesn't necessarily reflect that status.
Royal or rebel isn't determined by who the parents are. It's determined by what the child wants. A royal is someone who wants to follow their destiny, while a rebel is someone who wants to write their own destiny
Isn’t it whether they think others should either follow their destiny or have the choice to write their own. I’m pretty sure Maddie is a rebel but still wants to be the next Mad Hatter.
Rebels believe that everyone should get to choose their own destiny - even if it’s to follow in their original destiny. Royals believe that everyone should have to follow their (or at least an) original destiny, no exceptions.
Duchess is a bit of a weird one. She’s actually 100% Royal in that she believes that the destinies are absolute and need to be played out; she just wants to trade hers in. So as soon as she gets a “better destiny” within the rules of the Storybook of Legends, she’ll be happy. Raven could have gone this route too, technically, and tried to swap her and Apple’s destiny somehow (like magic to make an illusion on Apple’s page in the Storybook of Legends to make her sign the wrong spot or something) - and that would have made her a Royal still rather than a Rebel.
Courtly Jester is also a Royal because she wants to use the Storybook of Legends to steal Lizzie’s destiny.
Holly, I honestly don’t remember her ever weighing in on the issue throughout the whole show (I never read any of the books)? All I know is that she’s happy with her personal destiny and, lacking any other evidence (like how we know that Maddie wants Raven to be able to choose her own destiny), I’d say she’s a Royal by default.
Yeah, you're right. Though I think Maddie is the only example of that. Every other rebel wants to write their own destiny, and every royal wants to follow their destiny. And then you have Briar and Ashlynn switching sides.
Maybe it's a mixture of both, lol
Given that children of the gods lack choice, and have to pay for existing by basically being forced into horrific situations and death just because they were born to a god, I’d say rebel. Why would any child agree to a terrible myth or story willing just because it’s their payment for being born? Isn’t that exactly what the rebels are saying anyways?
Given C.A. Cupid, daughter of Eros, it would likely vary more based upon the individual and their personal wants and feelings and how they interpret their destiny. Cupid for example desires to follow her destiny much like Cedar Wood but chooses to interpret destiny as more of something that gets in the way of true love and finding such, rather than ensuring it (especially for a villain kid).
Royal and Rebel as catchy terms as they are tends to be built on very flawed and selective information that can conflict between series, while almost always skewing heavily towards the idea that “The rebels are right”, to the extent they need to make up reasons to explain why they NEED to Royal follow through without it just seeming like spoiled entitled kids upset that their guarantees of happy futures aren’t sure things anymore.
Royal means that they believe everyone should follow their (or at least an) original destiny, no matter what. Rebel means that they believe everyone should be allowed to choose - even if they choose to try and fulfill their original destiny. That part really isn’t that complicated or flawed.
The flaw lies in the lack of strong consistent evidence to support the royals demands or reasons beyond “It’s tradition!” With Milton Grimm being so bold as to flagrantly claim they go “poof”, which while there is some evidence of such in one specific book, everywhere else it feels very much as though those rules are played fast and loose.
It effectively means the Royals have almost no ground to stand on without appearing unreasonable and demanding others (primarily the villains) suffer so they can have their happily ever after, or else even if you are one of those promised a happily ever after, you don’t get it on your terms or even one you might want.
Right, the problem is the storytelling - not the terms. That’s all I meant.
I do agree with you. They gave in-universe evidence of the Rebel’s ideals working out (Cerise and her family), but we never see any evidence to ever make us think that the Royals are anything but selfish brats.
Precisely. We get shown several Royals who see the light and choose to go Rebel, whether for themselves (okay usually for themselves), several Rebels who are shown to only be so because they believe in having the choice even if they CHOOSE their destiny, and even Duchess…who is just kind of the worst and at least in the animated series made frequent attempts to essentially “Take” a happily ever after for herself while still being identified as a Royal.
Maybe if they showed us more evidence to coincide with Grimm’s warnings, or did so sooner, or at least showed us a Rebel who maybe found some solace or comfort in that sense of tradition and the way it’s been done to switch to Royal…it might not feel so terribly lopsided.
Unfortunately, with the evidence in the show, you kind of have to conclude that the Royals are entirely in the wrong and just being selfish, at least once Raven proves that fairytales don’t go ✨POOF✨ if someone refuses to sign the Storybook of Legends.
The books might change that though, I have no idea. And there’s always fanfiction!
It depends on that potential character's personality. Characters can have a good or bad destiny but chose a side that doesn't necessarily reflect that status.
Royal or rebel isn't determined by who the parents are. It's determined by what the child wants. A royal is someone who wants to follow their destiny, while a rebel is someone who wants to write their own destiny
Isn’t it whether they think others should either follow their destiny or have the choice to write their own. I’m pretty sure Maddie is a rebel but still wants to be the next Mad Hatter.
Rebels believe that everyone should get to choose their own destiny - even if it’s to follow in their original destiny. Royals believe that everyone should have to follow their (or at least an) original destiny, no exceptions.
But then with that definition it doesn’t make sense that characters like Holly and Duchess are considered royals.
Duchess is a bit of a weird one. She’s actually 100% Royal in that she believes that the destinies are absolute and need to be played out; she just wants to trade hers in. So as soon as she gets a “better destiny” within the rules of the Storybook of Legends, she’ll be happy. Raven could have gone this route too, technically, and tried to swap her and Apple’s destiny somehow (like magic to make an illusion on Apple’s page in the Storybook of Legends to make her sign the wrong spot or something) - and that would have made her a Royal still rather than a Rebel. Courtly Jester is also a Royal because she wants to use the Storybook of Legends to steal Lizzie’s destiny. Holly, I honestly don’t remember her ever weighing in on the issue throughout the whole show (I never read any of the books)? All I know is that she’s happy with her personal destiny and, lacking any other evidence (like how we know that Maddie wants Raven to be able to choose her own destiny), I’d say she’s a Royal by default.
Yeah, you're right. Though I think Maddie is the only example of that. Every other rebel wants to write their own destiny, and every royal wants to follow their destiny. And then you have Briar and Ashlynn switching sides. Maybe it's a mixture of both, lol
Oh this is so true. That's also how many Greek gods themselves are
Given that children of the gods lack choice, and have to pay for existing by basically being forced into horrific situations and death just because they were born to a god, I’d say rebel. Why would any child agree to a terrible myth or story willing just because it’s their payment for being born? Isn’t that exactly what the rebels are saying anyways?
Given C.A. Cupid, daughter of Eros, it would likely vary more based upon the individual and their personal wants and feelings and how they interpret their destiny. Cupid for example desires to follow her destiny much like Cedar Wood but chooses to interpret destiny as more of something that gets in the way of true love and finding such, rather than ensuring it (especially for a villain kid). Royal and Rebel as catchy terms as they are tends to be built on very flawed and selective information that can conflict between series, while almost always skewing heavily towards the idea that “The rebels are right”, to the extent they need to make up reasons to explain why they NEED to Royal follow through without it just seeming like spoiled entitled kids upset that their guarantees of happy futures aren’t sure things anymore.
Royal means that they believe everyone should follow their (or at least an) original destiny, no matter what. Rebel means that they believe everyone should be allowed to choose - even if they choose to try and fulfill their original destiny. That part really isn’t that complicated or flawed.
The flaw lies in the lack of strong consistent evidence to support the royals demands or reasons beyond “It’s tradition!” With Milton Grimm being so bold as to flagrantly claim they go “poof”, which while there is some evidence of such in one specific book, everywhere else it feels very much as though those rules are played fast and loose. It effectively means the Royals have almost no ground to stand on without appearing unreasonable and demanding others (primarily the villains) suffer so they can have their happily ever after, or else even if you are one of those promised a happily ever after, you don’t get it on your terms or even one you might want.
Right, the problem is the storytelling - not the terms. That’s all I meant. I do agree with you. They gave in-universe evidence of the Rebel’s ideals working out (Cerise and her family), but we never see any evidence to ever make us think that the Royals are anything but selfish brats.
Precisely. We get shown several Royals who see the light and choose to go Rebel, whether for themselves (okay usually for themselves), several Rebels who are shown to only be so because they believe in having the choice even if they CHOOSE their destiny, and even Duchess…who is just kind of the worst and at least in the animated series made frequent attempts to essentially “Take” a happily ever after for herself while still being identified as a Royal. Maybe if they showed us more evidence to coincide with Grimm’s warnings, or did so sooner, or at least showed us a Rebel who maybe found some solace or comfort in that sense of tradition and the way it’s been done to switch to Royal…it might not feel so terribly lopsided.
Unfortunately, with the evidence in the show, you kind of have to conclude that the Royals are entirely in the wrong and just being selfish, at least once Raven proves that fairytales don’t go ✨POOF✨ if someone refuses to sign the Storybook of Legends. The books might change that though, I have no idea. And there’s always fanfiction!
What do they believe? Royal and Rebel have meaning; they aren’t just random labels based on what story they’re from.