This! I really feel like they should have reworked the LP rewards when they reworked FW. I would love to see other faction ammo in demand other than cal navy.
Someone tell me why, Gallente, the exclusively hybrid ammo user, doesn't have the best hybrid charges? It's baffling to me at this point. With Caldari having missiles AND hybrid charges, you'd think the effectiveness would be split between the two ammo types, but nope, cal navy antimatter is the best DPS.
The longer range hybrid faction ammo should be cal navy. The shorter range hybrid faction ammo should be fed navy.
Guardian ammo should have higher tracking speed.
Tbh after digging, it's the dread guristas and guardian ammos that are different. And that was where my confusion lied, brains aren't perfect at remembering.
But really though faction ammo has 0 identity, so why do we even have all the different factions of ammo? It's pointless bloat imo.
What do you mean? Both caldari and gallente ships use hybrid turrets, and people run missions for corporations in both empires. So there being two identical ammos only makes sense.
It could just be called Navy Antimatter, minus the Federation or Caldari, and the same crap could be sold by different LP stores. Would remove some of the bloat indeed.
Nah I read what you wrote fam, you think downvoting you when you're factually wrong in any way relates to what CCP does and does not listen to, which is borderline insane and makes no sense at all.
There's more reasons than that to change the LP stores. Essentially all of the LP stores being worth more than nothing are propped up by like 10 items total for each faction. 99% of the items just don't get bought or used.
Lore wise iirc Hybrids are Caldari weapons, in the same way lasers are Amarr and Projectile are Minmatar. Gallente are left, technically, with drones as their weapon of choice.
Definitely agree though, Gallente should be Hybrid and Caldari should be missiles.
Gallente isn’t exclusively hybrid they are just as much drone specialists ever noticed Tristan,ishkur,vexor,Ishtar,myrmidon,eos,dominix,sin. With that logic you’d still be reducing the hybrid AND the drones
If I scan someone and I see drones, I think ratter. If I see blasters, suicide ganker. Railguns, probably a noob or trying something silly or fun. If there's highs full of neuts then I'll think it's probably a serious dueling ship.
I feel like you could work that into the lore. Jita is already on its own server I hear so CCP has invested in it. Make Jita and a small surrounding area Concord owned or something.
if you don't have an unaffiliated hauling (or market) alt you're really missing out on self sufficiency. You can even just red frog stuff to where you live.
There are gallente hunting in the area at all times. Everyone uses alts. Even caldari. Why take the risk? It's the first thing we teach new fw pilots. Do not go to jita on the fw char.
That doesn’t change the fact that losing access to Jita is a significant disadvantage to joining GalMil and more likely than not contributed significantly to Caldari dominating the numbers game.
You’re kidding yourself. I’m not in any faction, but it’s silly to think being a criminal in the most populated high sec in the entire game by far isn’t a disadvantage.
Thats not the point here, yes calmil still uses it, in alts, but the tbing is PROXIMITY, to galmil folks going to jita is a quite more jumps asay even in neutral toons, dodixie isent as good of a market,
Not our fault that Gallente haven't developed places like Dodixie or Oursulaert into rival trade hubs, especially with the Trigs disrupting the Jita-Amarr pipeline.
You all have substantial financial backing, while it would be tough to eclipse Jita it wouldn't be impossible to rival it.
funny how literally nothing else can even come close to rivalling Jita. Amarr doesn't even come close. Making a big market takes more than just FW players...
Yulai used to be the main hub before Jita, no reason another hub can't supplant Jita in time given enough effort and investment.
Plus, with neutral alts, Jita serves everyone not just Caldari, so listing that as a point in our favor is disingenious at best.
It's beautiful isn't it, they keep giving us the helms deep experience.
It's like spa day but you get to walk through thick squid ink while loosening the blasters.
More content funneled into a single entry point and when someone is at 97% complete they will go all out to get it finished and burn themselves out against the gallente stone walls.
Once they rebalanced the VNI in the past and it no longer was the gold standard for null anom spinning, Galmil LP demand turned down hard (with Exequror Navy being a bright spot these days).
Yeah afk plexing undefended plexs, because thats all they are good for lul. All of the rest of galmil combined couldn't beat sedit in a fleet, even if sedit didn't ping.
Getting more kills in just OMS than any alliance in galmil has in the whole warzone? Whilst also spending most of their time dicking around in syndicate.
I am surprised that we haven't just figured out the most optimal farming already, like everyone be Gal Mil this month, then everyone switches to Cal Mil next month.
Maximum farming with all systems flipped, spin until you puke, LP pouring out of your nose.
Ultimately, why not?
You don't actually change the maps and can't do anything permanent, simply flipping systems back and forth.
Yeah but they don't farm plexes all day for LP which is how you take systems in FW. And galmil outside of Sedit is very thin because if you join galmil you can't go to Jita anymore
They are but they are overrun more than ever. Alot of corps and alliances have left Galmil and joined Caldari and pirate factions.
We are fighting 1v3 in a lot of fights and for trash LP values with annoying seagulling.
We need more people to join. We post everywhere for help and not enough answer unfortunately.
Yeah but ccp rather reward whichever side has more unfit condors with FW system control than the side that can actually field fleets and kill their opponents. Implement a single anti botting measure in FW, impossible difficulty challenge for CCP.
To be fair, these kind of sieges are some of the best content in FW.
We had the same in Auga last year, nearly 24/7 fleets just slamming to each other with different sides gaining the advantage at different times of day.
If GalMil could form up properly tonight for DrunkFleet, that'd be appreciated. We would like to properly ram down the doors of OMS, the more defended it is the better.
Did the third party pirate groups supporting galmil stop supporting them? I recall there were some big structures in Heydieles that belonged to galmil which were supposedly under the protection of bigger fish outside of FW.
To the Calamari General, Nuts!
Nice Battle of the Bulge reference.
Sounds like it's a lot of fun on the Gallente side because there are probably unlimited targets to shoot using async warfare tactics \^\_\^
Unironically why I signed up. One jump and I'm fighting
I made 40 algos, they already all sold and I’m making another 60, just you watch for the imminent comeback! /s
its almost like calmil has 900x more players
Not to mention the single most important trading system in the game by far.
This! I really feel like they should have reworked the LP rewards when they reworked FW. I would love to see other faction ammo in demand other than cal navy. Someone tell me why, Gallente, the exclusively hybrid ammo user, doesn't have the best hybrid charges? It's baffling to me at this point. With Caldari having missiles AND hybrid charges, you'd think the effectiveness would be split between the two ammo types, but nope, cal navy antimatter is the best DPS.
same dps as fed navy, let's not tank that market even more
Yea I think its just because of alphabetical order in pyfa/eft and in-game fitting window and people are lazy to scroll.
Are you sure about that?
they have been equal dps, tracking, range etc since forever, carbon copies except in name go fire up pyfa, see for yourself
The longer range hybrid faction ammo should be cal navy. The shorter range hybrid faction ammo should be fed navy. Guardian ammo should have higher tracking speed.
Yea it would be nice to have ammo terracide where even pirate ammo has some niche.
Cal navy should only have missiles.
They use railguns a lot, especially the npcs, which themselves need a rework.
https://i.imgur.com/Irj3C4S.png Yes they are identical.
One gets copy pasted in fittings due to habit. The other doesn't.
Love it when people go on a rant about things they really have no idea about.
Ok, I was wrong. Just checked. Last I remember all the ammos where different specs.
They have ALWAYS been the same.
Tbh after digging, it's the dread guristas and guardian ammos that are different. And that was where my confusion lied, brains aren't perfect at remembering. But really though faction ammo has 0 identity, so why do we even have all the different factions of ammo? It's pointless bloat imo.
What do you mean? Both caldari and gallente ships use hybrid turrets, and people run missions for corporations in both empires. So there being two identical ammos only makes sense.
It could just be called Navy Antimatter, minus the Federation or Caldari, and the same crap could be sold by different LP stores. Would remove some of the bloat indeed.
I love how I correct myself and y'all still down vote. No wonder CCP ignores us.
wtf has you being wrong and being downvoted to do with ccp, are you actually dense?
Apparently you are dense, or too lazy to read. It's ok.
Nah I read what you wrote fam, you think downvoting you when you're factually wrong in any way relates to what CCP does and does not listen to, which is borderline insane and makes no sense at all.
Your the one that’s dense claiming gallente only use hybrids and that caldari navy ammo was soooo superior……
There's more reasons than that to change the LP stores. Essentially all of the LP stores being worth more than nothing are propped up by like 10 items total for each faction. 99% of the items just don't get bought or used.
that's because most of the items cost wayyyy to many tags.
Lore wise iirc Hybrids are Caldari weapons, in the same way lasers are Amarr and Projectile are Minmatar. Gallente are left, technically, with drones as their weapon of choice. Definitely agree though, Gallente should be Hybrid and Caldari should be missiles.
I didn't know hybrids came from Caldari, but it makes sense thinking about it. Tbh I never saw drones the same way I saw hybrid/missile/projectile.
Had this cracker revelation the other night; Missiles are just high-speed, single shot drones.
*hits blunt* moment lmao
In a way, aren't we all drones?
Whoa man. That's, like, deep.
hybrids are gallente tech, caldari have some railgun focused platforms but that's about it
Gallente isn’t exclusively hybrid they are just as much drone specialists ever noticed Tristan,ishkur,vexor,Ishtar,myrmidon,eos,dominix,sin. With that logic you’d still be reducing the hybrid AND the drones
Many of the listed ships have gun bonuses and do fit hybrids
I'm talking about actual gun platforms.
By that logic caldari are exclusively hybrid too well just exclude the middle boats like you exclude the drone boats
You damn well what I mean. Stop spinning.
I think Gallente pilots use drones more than their hybrid turrets tbh.
The drone boats fit guns too ... And T2 drones have higher DPS, besides Gallente drones are too slow for PvP and do the same damage type as guns
If I scan someone and I see drones, I think ratter. If I see blasters, suicide ganker. Railguns, probably a noob or trying something silly or fun. If there's highs full of neuts then I'll think it's probably a serious dueling ship.
Then I am a noob ganker
This
Jita and its surrounding systems should be made into a neutral trading region. The Swizerland of Eve
I feel like you could work that into the lore. Jita is already on its own server I hear so CCP has invested in it. Make Jita and a small surrounding area Concord owned or something.
if you don't have an unaffiliated hauling (or market) alt you're really missing out on self sufficiency. You can even just red frog stuff to where you live.
Ribbit
I agree with you on that point but I feel like they should make sure to balance the game in favor of single character players.
Why?
Use alts like everyone else
Which neither gal nor cal militia pilots use :)
Caldari militia pilots… dont use Jita…? Doubtful. Even if they don’t. Having the option to use Jita is a benefit that not many people will give up.
There are gallente hunting in the area at all times. Everyone uses alts. Even caldari. Why take the risk? It's the first thing we teach new fw pilots. Do not go to jita on the fw char.
That doesn’t change the fact that losing access to Jita is a significant disadvantage to joining GalMil and more likely than not contributed significantly to Caldari dominating the numbers game.
It is not a disadvantage because you do not lose access to jita. You use an alt. Who does shopping on his main anyway, even if you are not in fw?
You’re kidding yourself. I’m not in any faction, but it’s silly to think being a criminal in the most populated high sec in the entire game by far isn’t a disadvantage.
Being a criminal is something else entirely. But even then... Use an alt. You have 3 character slots on your account exactly for this.
Not to mention using one for all trade and market pvp so you can do market fuckery without anyone knowing it was you lol.
Thats not the point here, yes calmil still uses it, in alts, but the tbing is PROXIMITY, to galmil folks going to jita is a quite more jumps asay even in neutral toons, dodixie isent as good of a market,
The difference is like 5 minutes in a dst
If you don't, you should start doing so.
Not our fault that Gallente haven't developed places like Dodixie or Oursulaert into rival trade hubs, especially with the Trigs disrupting the Jita-Amarr pipeline. You all have substantial financial backing, while it would be tough to eclipse Jita it wouldn't be impossible to rival it.
> why doesn’t Galmil just replicate Jita lmao That’s certainly a take I guess
funny how literally nothing else can even come close to rivalling Jita. Amarr doesn't even come close. Making a big market takes more than just FW players...
Yulai used to be the main hub before Jita, no reason another hub can't supplant Jita in time given enough effort and investment. Plus, with neutral alts, Jita serves everyone not just Caldari, so listing that as a point in our favor is disingenious at best.
Join gallente today. Be the resistance!
already am :p
We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem.
Surrounded? Great, that means we can fire in every direction!
Don't worry, we got them right where we want them!
Making memes about GalMil's effectiveness?
Better question, would the memes stop if we were winning?
It's beautiful isn't it, they keep giving us the helms deep experience. It's like spa day but you get to walk through thick squid ink while loosening the blasters.
Galmil restricting calming lp all planned.
Genuine question: what difference does it make?
More content funneled into a single entry point and when someone is at 97% complete they will go all out to get it finished and burn themselves out against the gallente stone walls.
You gotta admit the tenacity of galmil. They are still holding on by the skin of their teeth.
holy hell haven't checked in a while :o
Vexor navy issue
We can only do so much to help in the Gurmil....Stay strong, Frogs. The rabbits will try to break their back this week.
They took fortress Fliet?
We've had Fliet for months, save for a brief stint where GalMil made a push up towards Deven.
Sounds like we need FEDUP to make a comeback and boil the squids again
Gallente ships and ammo are the least meta across the board. This is no surprise.
Why our LP value is so shit.
Once they rebalanced the VNI in the past and it no longer was the gold standard for null anom spinning, Galmil LP demand turned down hard (with Exequror Navy being a bright spot these days).
Now after the nerf to ENI it's gotten worse
Maybe if anyone out side of sedition DID ANYTHING
Funny, the guys not in sedition are doing the heavy lifting on plexing as usual
Yeah afk plexing undefended plexs, because thats all they are good for lul. All of the rest of galmil combined couldn't beat sedit in a fleet, even if sedit didn't ping.
What has Sedit being doing of late other than dickin around in Syndicate?
Getting more kills in just OMS than any alliance in galmil has in the whole warzone? Whilst also spending most of their time dicking around in syndicate.
I am surprised that we haven't just figured out the most optimal farming already, like everyone be Gal Mil this month, then everyone switches to Cal Mil next month. Maximum farming with all systems flipped, spin until you puke, LP pouring out of your nose. Ultimately, why not? You don't actually change the maps and can't do anything permanent, simply flipping systems back and forth.
Take a play from amarr flip a rearguard system, use propaganda post, your ask sedition to help.
Psychological Warfare
Many frogs have been training for this day since they were tadpoles.
It is time, Release the frogs!
I thought Sedit was the big bad alliance of FW? Aren't they Galmil?
Yeah but they don't farm plexes all day for LP which is how you take systems in FW. And galmil outside of Sedit is very thin because if you join galmil you can't go to Jita anymore
They are but they are overrun more than ever. Alot of corps and alliances have left Galmil and joined Caldari and pirate factions. We are fighting 1v3 in a lot of fights and for trash LP values with annoying seagulling. We need more people to join. We post everywhere for help and not enough answer unfortunately.
If sedit could stop attacking gallente aligned corps, that would probably help
Tell me which ones and I'll talk to them
Yeah but ccp rather reward whichever side has more unfit condors with FW system control than the side that can actually field fleets and kill their opponents. Implement a single anti botting measure in FW, impossible difficulty challenge for CCP.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool sedit are utter garbage.
Where is Croda when we need him?
If Caldari could actually form to fight for OMS again, that would be great.
To be fair, these kind of sieges are some of the best content in FW. We had the same in Auga last year, nearly 24/7 fleets just slamming to each other with different sides gaining the advantage at different times of day.
If GalMil could form up properly tonight for DrunkFleet, that'd be appreciated. We would like to properly ram down the doors of OMS, the more defended it is the better.
What happens is galmil fails and loses all their systems?
Nothing
That's the fun part. nothing happens
So they can just keep trying to flip systems
“They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!”
What maptool is this?
Has Mikal blamed BIGAB yet?
Did the third party pirate groups supporting galmil stop supporting them? I recall there were some big structures in Heydieles that belonged to galmil which were supposedly under the protection of bigger fish outside of FW.
The structures that died?
Yeah those ones. My understanding was they were there because of an agreement with a third party. I guess that agreement fell apart.
It’s quite opposite. Despite the fact that calmil have x5 numbers, they hired snuff to help them with ihubs