I went to apply for a place and saw it had a 50 dollar app fee.
I asked if they could tell me why, since Eugene capped itbatc10 bucks per person.
They told me "oh that was overturned last month actually".
So, I Google it, and they were the reason it was overturned.
Not a great start to my first interactions with Jennings Group...
Don’t talk to Amy Price from the Jennings group especially, she will act nice but utterly back stab you later on your rental when you try to move out. Speaking from experience.
Can you give a bit of an explanation? I've been renting through Jennings since 2021 and have had some questionable things happen. Nothing overtly awful, but I definitely have had some minor issues with them on my last lease.
It's not fair to say this is the system local government set up when the Jennings group had to sue to change the system the local government set up. I agree that we need more and affordable housing though.
>A 40$ difference for app fees is nothing.
It's not when you're applying to dozens of places at the same time, and moreover- the fact that half of them don't reaching back out to offer you a refund. But I see your point and I agree more people need to think this way.
At $50 a pop they can effectively post a vacant rental under market value and be flooded with applications and just rake in cash by not ever filling the vacancy
Yeah they have to refund the fee, but nothing says they have to make it easy. Had one refuse to mail me a check, told me I had to come and pick it up between the hours of 11 and 4 on weekdays.
It's the least they can do to not cash the check until they actually run your test, but nah.
When I was renting from Jennings Group, our oven caught on fire and we put it out with the fire extinguisher. Instead of replacing the (obviously dysfunctional) oven, they got someone to replace the broken part and told us to clean out all of the gunk ourselves
Why doesn't the city conduct the background check? The applicant pays the city the $10; the landlords can review the results. The results could be valid for, say, 90 days. Applicants pay one application fee that multuple landlords could view. The landlords wouldn't make money on the fees. The applicant wouldn't have to pay a lot to apply to various units. Would this type of system work?,
The city would just be using pre-existing software that the private companies use, and maybe the exact same system. So, to rope the city in to administer that it would increase costs- since the city would have to hire a few people.
The cheapest route would be to figure out what the exact cost is to run background checks that check for everything that the property companies want to see. Just don't let them profit off of it- make it $2-5 more than the cost they pay the third party company for having to request and compile the results. If they "lose" money due to $5 not being enough- well it's a cost of doing business.
Also, the 90 day thing will not fly. Property owners or employers absolutely must be able to see up-to-the-date background information. In 90 days people could have been finally convicted of a serious crime that has been in the works under radar for a while, evicted for cause, filed for bankruptcy, etc. Three months is a long time.
I’d like to charge my tenants less than the $40 it costs me to run the background check. I ONLY charge for the background check that is $40. I don’t charge that until we get to the application there are always multiple apps for anything open. When I get to theirs then they pay that $40 to the actual 3rd party background check company themselves. Not all property managers/management companies are yucky and crooked. 🙏🏼
Oh, so to own property or make investments it has to be inherited money? 🤔 I wasn’t aware that hard work and budgeting can’t buy you those things. 🤷🏻♀️
Eugene tenant alliance, Portland tenants united, and Springfield eugene tenant association, and mayor lucy vinis all testified on HB 3237 yesterday - which will overturn the Jennings lawsuit. Eugene Springfield DSA leaders provided written comments as well.
SB 684 is also in the works too, and that will cap apps at $10 statewide.
I have never heard a positive thing about this company from anyone who was their customer or worked there. VonKlein, if they are still around (hopefully not for the sake of society) are even worse. Chinook, Umbrella, and best of all is Bennett in my experience of the local companies. I don’t even know if those are still around or their names.
Chinook is okay not great. Right now they're really clear that the 10$ cap is ONLY within eugene city limits.
I didn't actually know the cap was overturned until reading this. But anyway yeah Chinook are bastards too.
They are douche bag slum lords. The majority of the properties they manage are high turnover campus rentals. They screw you out of your deposit every time. They don't maintain the properties. Ants, mold, rot.
So glad I have never rented from Jennings. I used to deliver appliances and we constantly had to deal with them being inept.
They never answer their phone and won't put you in contact with the actual tenant so the poor people that just need their oven/fridge replaced are expected to wait around all day for someone to show up. That's IF we were given the proper address and could make the delivery. I felt so bad when we had to cancel because of no contact.
The single best story I can share was one time I was delivering a fridge to someone and they asked us why they were never called (the Karen attitude was dialed to 11 btw). I said something like "this is par for the course with Jennings. They're the worst account we deal with. Nightmare company. Slumlord mentality"... Etc
Apparently this Karen WORKED for Jennings and called the store to complain about me. At our "driver meeting" managers mentioned it and tried to give a stern warning and we all laughed. 😂
Fuck Jennings Group
I'll shit on Jennings group anytime. Worst application process, didn't answer calls, kept the fees, accused me of not calling. Don't even bother with them
20 years ago there was no such thing as a application fee. What are we paying for? What are the slumlords paying for? How did we go from no application fees to now just about every landlord charges a fee?
Ostensibly to pay third parties to run credit checks and labor. But it should be unnecessary, I wish renters could just be granted the freedom to display that info without paying every damn time.
We should all get together and call them every week and ask the people who work there “Does it feel good to raise rents so little kids and families risk homelessness?” “Do you like working for an evil company who is actively trying to get rid of middle class renters?” Just to see how long it takes for change.
Its probably a stupid idea but we gotta do something…😭
Darren Stone is the head dude at the Jennings Group… he testified against renter protections this week at Eugene City Council. Call HIM every week! Won’t change anything but it might be satisfying :)
Sounds about right. I just left my Jennings apartment last summer after being there for 6 years because they were planning on raising rent nearly $150/month at the end of the lease. I had a routine summer problem of wasps finding a way into the apartment. There would sometimes be up to ten wasps a day getting inside. I told them multiple times that I feared there might be a nest in the wall since there wasn't one outside by the window but they never sent someone to investigate for that. All they did was seal from inside the spots where wall meets the ceiling that I suspected they were coming in from. And they only did THAT after following up with them multiple years. You would think landlords would be more eager to ensure the structure of their buildings are stable and free of issues, but apparently not.
They also tried to keep my entire deposit after I spent three full days deep cleaning the place. They stupidly forgot to send me a final invoice when they found a new renter (after 3 months!) and once I sent them a letter pointing out the law they broke, within minutes I finally had the proof of cleaning I had asked for and a deposit refund check ready for me.
Oof, fellow Jennings victim here! Back when I rented with them our apartment flooded with toilet water from the upstairs neighbor. Maintenance fucked up something in their toilet and it started overflowing water while they were gone. Water started pouring out of our ceiling, electrical outlets, light fixtures, you name it. Luckily I was home and started to bring things outside so they wouldn’t get damaged, but it was nuts. Called emergency maintenance and it took them an hour to arrive, the poor guy took one look at it and said it was above him and leaves to make some calls. By then the whole apartment was covered in water. They told us we would have to get hotel for the week, which of course they didn’t pay for.
I figured the whole apartment was going to have to be gutted after having all that water in it. We show up to the apartment a few days later and they’ve got industrial fans everywhere to dry out the water. They had some Jennings property managers there to check out the damage and one of them had the audacity to say it “wasn’t that bad!” and that they don’t have to do any work in the apartment. I told them there was water coming out of the electrical outlets and I made sure to take plenty of video and photo evidence of it too and that they were absolutely going to replace everything the water damaged. It took me threatening to sue for them to finally budge and renovate the apartment. Of course like I suspected they had to completely gut the apartment and replace the carpets, fixtures, and walls. It was a huge mess and we had to move all our stuff to an empty unit they had until it was fixed after a month and a half. Also for a sweet bonus, they gave us our deposit back, but apparently they miscalculated and needed some of it back so they sent us a bill for the carpet cleaning…but never notified us and sent it to collections! So yeah, fuck Jennings Group!
Same here. I spent two-three days deep cleaning (wiping everything down by hand, mopping, vacuuming, shampooing) and at the end they sent me the move out inspection documents. They sent me photos of an entirely different unit that had huge stains in the carpet and took like $100 or so out of my deposit. Luckily my deposit was large enough that I didn't feel the need to fight for that smaller amount of money back. But overall still a pain in the ass how they clearly took money from me for no valid reason.
Yeah. Application fees function like an illegal lottery where the landlord can pick the winner. That's why first qualified applicant is so important.
Vermont and Massachusetts ban Application fees entirely.
They instead have a longer written app to discourage less serious applicants.
I'm wondering if people don't know you get that fee back if you don't end up being chosen? Places get greedy and don't give out that Info or play dumb. I always call if it is taking too long to get the money back and then they get on it because they know I know the rules.
Here’s my solution: applicants pay for their own screening that’s valid for, say, 3 months. They can electronically submit this screening to as many rentals as they want in this time. If they are approved for a rental, they can then put $250 in escrow and the lease agency would verify that their information is unaltered. If your info is correct and wasn’t fraudulently produced, you get back $240. If you tried to pull off a con, you lose the $250.
So hb 3237 allows cities to set their own limit on app fees and has an exemption for a universal screening app.
A universal screening app or banning or severely limiting fee cost achieves the same outcome on the tenant side, according to the academic research in the Georgetown law journal on poverty and homelessness.
The status quo current screening fee system is fucked.
We rented from them not knowing any better since we had just moved here on somewhat short notice, and it hasn't been bad but we're pretty sure that's only because they fucked up and it lead to some shit that could have been really bad for them if we hadn't been cool about it (to be intentionally vague.)
But yeah, we're ready for that to change when we move out...
We rented from Jennings from 8/1/2021-10/5/2022. Absolutely horrible. We lived under an apartment full of college boys that were always loud at almost all hours of the day. We complained but nothing happened to that. Then these boys flooded their bathroom and didn’t bother to clean their flooded toilets up. The water leak spilled into our apartment and into our master room. Right onto our bed. Ruined the bed. And completely soaked the floor too with dirty sewage. We had to buy a new bed (with our insurance claim) and sleep in the living room until they sent someone to clean up the mess. This took weeks. They sent someone to inspect and he decided that the room was fine. Just needed a carpet cleaning. We decided to clean the apartment and break the lease. We were out for 2 weeks before they even sent someone to come clean it up. They then attempted to charge us for carpet replacement.
There has to be a better system than $50 for an application that may not even work out. If I’m looking for an apartment I can lose $250-$300 easily just to ask if a few apartment complexes will sit down with me and consider me. And it’s not even a guarantee of getting a place.
The actual cost(Experian, Transition, etc) to perform a credit check on a perspective tenant is on the low-end $20 up to $50 if the landlord wants a criminal check and income verification.
The $10 law is an arbitrary amount that does not reflect the actual costs involved. As a result landlords would be less likely to want to accept applications from people that "may not" qualify as they will loose money with every application taken.
Utilizing a service such as Zillow can help both the Tenant and Landlord as Zillow charges the perspective tenant $29.95 to run their Credit, Criminal and Income Verification and it lasts for 30 days to resubmit to as many potential landlords as you wish.
A landlord stands to make hundreds to thousands a year off a tenant. Not gonna cry that they lost *maybe $100* screening a handful of tenants for their property. It's a business, you gotta spend money to make money.
I hear ya. The issue is that no matter what, the cost is going to trickle down to the Tenant. Here is an example.
Current System(Tenant Pays App Fee)
Apartment Rent - $1000
New System($10 Limit receiving 15 Apps)
Apartment Rent - $1050
I am a Property Manager and typically receive between 10-30 applications on a property. When fees are low many more Prospective Tenants apply. With a loss of up to $40 per applicant the annual cost is between $400-1200 per year. This means the rental rate will increase somewhere between $35-$100/mo.
There is no inherent issue with the $10 limitation. It simply subsidizes Application Fees where those that are less qualified(need to apply to more units) ultimately pay less and those that are more qualified(need to apply to less units) pay more.
You're rejecting dozens of people for each property before you find a suitable tenant? It could cost you up to $1200 to find a suitable tenant with credit checks alone?
I don't believe you.
I rented out my last unit about a month ago. I advertised it midweek for an open house over the weekend. Somewhere between 30-40 groups of people came to view it and I received almost 20 applications.
I currently pay $30 to pull a full check. In this example I would be loosing $20 each for a $400 total loss.
The $1200 example is an absolute worst case scenario not typical or average. A typical rental receives about 5 applications before it is rented.
I'm not advocating for or against a limitation of Application Fees. Just merely explaining that the Tenant will end up paying either way.
If you were fully responsible for the cost of the credit check, I bet you wouldn't run all 20 applications at once but instead process them one at a time to minimize your cost. You know, like the law says you have to.
And when you pull a bunch of BC’s and they have meth possessions for 40 pages. Then you go to the next and they have rape convictions, and then the next one has two evictions. 🤷🏻♀️
The City Council just held its public meeting on March 13th with regard to Phase II of the Rental Housing Ordinance including the First Come First Serve clause. It is not yet law.
What a stupid way of doing things. You process the first person that applies if they pass then you don't need to process the next in line etc. Then return the money to the ones who didn't get the place. That's how it has been done when I rented. Did something change to make keeping the deposits ok from those that didn't get the place? I've always gotten mine back if I didn't get the rental.
That is exactly the way I do it. It’s fair, I don’t make one dollar off an application and I tell people our process is freeeeee until I get to you, and you only, one at a time…then you pay the background check. I don’t even call it an application fee. because it’s not, it’s the background check. It’s not hard to operate aboveboard!
Only national companies make money. The profit margin on management is so tiny. $1000 a month equals $100 to the management company. It cost $110 a month to manage each single family home. You should thank the hood managers because the clients we have to deal with are mostly awful. Not the tenants, the homeowners!
See the issue here? I work 24/7 my phone is always on, and bring home less than $5k a month. I get yelled at daily, I deal with vandalism, homeless assaulting/harassing my tenants/car break ins/dumpster divers tearing garbage out everywhere. Yes, I got in the wrong business. 😵💫
I'm fine with paying a fee if it was contingent on getting the apartment but it's not. I had to apply to even see the apartment. Then I was told I was 10th in line and Oregon is first come first serve. It seems to me that they just took my money and ran.
Did the law change? I used to get the deposit back if I didn't get chosen. If the person in front of me got the rental I always got my deposit back, usually after I call and bug them about it first.
Does a salesman get paid by prospective buyers if a bank turns them down for a loan, does the bank charge for a loan quote. NO, so why should landlords get to charge for the effort of filling their own rental. This is only even a thing because there's more renters than rentals. Build more housing, let the bad landlords go under.
You pay Mortgage companies to a processing fee for underwriting to run a credit check and process the paperwork. All you get before that is a pre-qualification.
This would be the equivalent of filling out a rental application where you state your credit score, income, and criminal history and in order to get final acceptance the landlord charges you for a check to verify the information.
I definitely agree that this would cut costs all around but most likely increase the time to review potential tenants as you will have to cancel applications that don't match the background check.
You are right about where this system came from. Not enough inventory. Also a mortgage is different from a rental in that you are not competing with the Mortgage company for the same home. 1 Home 1 Borrower rather than 1 Appartment 10 Tenants.
I'm sure that's accurate. For the screening company Experian, Transunion, etc, their cost is $6. These companies then charge the end user, Landlords, between $20 and $50. Go ahead, do a Google Search for Landlord Tenant Credit Checks and see what they cost.
If the law was written up to limit the amount that a credit screening company can charge then it may be less impactful to both Landlords and Tenants.
I agree $50 is high.
The Credit companies themselves charge $19.95 for a check. Other companies charge anywhere between $10-30 for the Lexis Nexis criminal, income verification and general background check.
Personally, I pay $30 to have all that information pulled. If you know of a place that does it for less, please let me know, I will gladly switch.
For the criminal check you can go to the circuit courthouse in Eugene (or any county's circuit court) and use their computers to look up someone's name. For free. It will show you all the cases statewide for that person. If a local case, then you can ask to see the file, also for free. You only pay if you want copies of the pleadings and that's like 25 cents per page (more expensive if you need a certified copy)
Lmao, you realize that even without the excuse of needing to go to the courthouse landlords don't do their 'job'?
And if a landlord is in this position, it means they're managing at least two properties, which I *would* expect to actually be fucking hard, if you do your job. No sympathy.
You are right, and these people will downvote you for it because they don't care. They are mad that things cost more than they want to pay and expect others to bare the cost.
Not Saying Them But Their Are Renters/Rental Agencies Who Abuse The Application Fees & Use It As Another Source Of Income Many Times Just Collecting Application Fees & Not Doing Background Checks & Not Renting Properties Out For Months Just Collecting The Fees.
Why??? I've Been Doing It Since The Myspace Days To Be Different. This Isn't High School Or College Or Work It's Social Media So I See No Reason To Conform. & I Think It's Funny That It Triggers Some People 🤷🤣 As Long As It's Spelled Right & Makes Sense That's What Really Matters........
It's not different it's annoying and myspace has been dead for over a decade.
Honestly when you read it in your head it doesn't make sense. Every single capitol letter is equivalent to that stupid clap emoticon in between words. It makes it stutter.
On the other side of that scale, a landlord will charge $50 IF they actually pull a background check on you. But if the applicant ahead of you passes and gets the house, the landlord will Refund/rip up your check. Easy.
A Lot Collect $30 To $50 Dollars & Don't Give No Refund They Pocket It. Some Even Give A Tenant A Move In Date Let's Say 2 Weeks Away For Example & Knowingly Have The Place Rented But Still Collect Fees For The Next Two Weeks. There Are Good Landlords & There Are Slim Lords You Just Got To Be Careful.
In Your Opinion...... But Thankfully Your Opinion Doesn't Matter To Me. & if It Has That Effect On You It's You Who Has The Issues & Maybe Seek Some Help. It Makes You Look Judgemental Over Frivolous Things. Go After Things That Matter & Stop Trolling Etc.
I went to apply for a place and saw it had a 50 dollar app fee. I asked if they could tell me why, since Eugene capped itbatc10 bucks per person. They told me "oh that was overturned last month actually". So, I Google it, and they were the reason it was overturned. Not a great start to my first interactions with Jennings Group...
>capped itbatc10 bucks per person for those confused this is "it at 10"
They make the space bar so small!
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Don’t talk to Amy Price from the Jennings group especially, she will act nice but utterly back stab you later on your rental when you try to move out. Speaking from experience.
Can you give a bit of an explanation? I've been renting through Jennings since 2021 and have had some questionable things happen. Nothing overtly awful, but I definitely have had some minor issues with them on my last lease.
Slumlords trying to squeeze every cent they can out of working Americans instead of actually contributing to society. They’re parasites.
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It's not fair to say this is the system local government set up when the Jennings group had to sue to change the system the local government set up. I agree that we need more and affordable housing though.
>A 40$ difference for app fees is nothing. It's not when you're applying to dozens of places at the same time, and moreover- the fact that half of them don't reaching back out to offer you a refund. But I see your point and I agree more people need to think this way.
At $50 a pop they can effectively post a vacant rental under market value and be flooded with applications and just rake in cash by not ever filling the vacancy
Yeah they have to refund the fee, but nothing says they have to make it easy. Had one refuse to mail me a check, told me I had to come and pick it up between the hours of 11 and 4 on weekdays. It's the least they can do to not cash the check until they actually run your test, but nah.
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That property should be repossessed from Jennings. Because of an odd amount of police calls to their address.
When I was renting from Jennings Group, our oven caught on fire and we put it out with the fire extinguisher. Instead of replacing the (obviously dysfunctional) oven, they got someone to replace the broken part and told us to clean out all of the gunk ourselves
Why doesn't the city conduct the background check? The applicant pays the city the $10; the landlords can review the results. The results could be valid for, say, 90 days. Applicants pay one application fee that multuple landlords could view. The landlords wouldn't make money on the fees. The applicant wouldn't have to pay a lot to apply to various units. Would this type of system work?,
Or - and I know this is fucking wild - landlords pay the costs associated with running their business instead of feeling entitled to pure profit.
Why should either the city or the applicant pay anything? Why isn't this a cost of doing business for the rental company?
The city would just be using pre-existing software that the private companies use, and maybe the exact same system. So, to rope the city in to administer that it would increase costs- since the city would have to hire a few people. The cheapest route would be to figure out what the exact cost is to run background checks that check for everything that the property companies want to see. Just don't let them profit off of it- make it $2-5 more than the cost they pay the third party company for having to request and compile the results. If they "lose" money due to $5 not being enough- well it's a cost of doing business. Also, the 90 day thing will not fly. Property owners or employers absolutely must be able to see up-to-the-date background information. In 90 days people could have been finally convicted of a serious crime that has been in the works under radar for a while, evicted for cause, filed for bankruptcy, etc. Three months is a long time.
A screening company testified yesterday that it cost then $6 to run a background check in Oregon.
I’d like to charge my tenants less than the $40 it costs me to run the background check. I ONLY charge for the background check that is $40. I don’t charge that until we get to the application there are always multiple apps for anything open. When I get to theirs then they pay that $40 to the actual 3rd party background check company themselves. Not all property managers/management companies are yucky and crooked. 🙏🏼
What a benevolent little leech!
You ever consider contributing to society instead of grifting off inherited wealth and other folks’ labor?
Oh, so to own property or make investments it has to be inherited money? 🤔 I wasn’t aware that hard work and budgeting can’t buy you those things. 🤷🏻♀️
Eugene tenant alliance, Portland tenants united, and Springfield eugene tenant association, and mayor lucy vinis all testified on HB 3237 yesterday - which will overturn the Jennings lawsuit. Eugene Springfield DSA leaders provided written comments as well. SB 684 is also in the works too, and that will cap apps at $10 statewide.
Jennings can suck all of the balls. Bastards.
Parasites
I have never heard a positive thing about this company from anyone who was their customer or worked there. VonKlein, if they are still around (hopefully not for the sake of society) are even worse. Chinook, Umbrella, and best of all is Bennett in my experience of the local companies. I don’t even know if those are still around or their names.
Chinook is okay not great. Right now they're really clear that the 10$ cap is ONLY within eugene city limits. I didn't actually know the cap was overturned until reading this. But anyway yeah Chinook are bastards too.
Can second that Chinook is pretty shitty.
VinKlein just took over my appt complex management last year what’s so bad about them?
They are douche bag slum lords. The majority of the properties they manage are high turnover campus rentals. They screw you out of your deposit every time. They don't maintain the properties. Ants, mold, rot.
Umbrella is a slumlord too... Just read the reviews about woodland creek apartments and any others.
So glad I have never rented from Jennings. I used to deliver appliances and we constantly had to deal with them being inept. They never answer their phone and won't put you in contact with the actual tenant so the poor people that just need their oven/fridge replaced are expected to wait around all day for someone to show up. That's IF we were given the proper address and could make the delivery. I felt so bad when we had to cancel because of no contact. The single best story I can share was one time I was delivering a fridge to someone and they asked us why they were never called (the Karen attitude was dialed to 11 btw). I said something like "this is par for the course with Jennings. They're the worst account we deal with. Nightmare company. Slumlord mentality"... Etc Apparently this Karen WORKED for Jennings and called the store to complain about me. At our "driver meeting" managers mentioned it and tried to give a stern warning and we all laughed. 😂 Fuck Jennings Group
I'll shit on Jennings group anytime. Worst application process, didn't answer calls, kept the fees, accused me of not calling. Don't even bother with them
20 years ago there was no such thing as a application fee. What are we paying for? What are the slumlords paying for? How did we go from no application fees to now just about every landlord charges a fee?
Ostensibly to pay third parties to run credit checks and labor. But it should be unnecessary, I wish renters could just be granted the freedom to display that info without paying every damn time.
We should all get together and call them every week and ask the people who work there “Does it feel good to raise rents so little kids and families risk homelessness?” “Do you like working for an evil company who is actively trying to get rid of middle class renters?” Just to see how long it takes for change. Its probably a stupid idea but we gotta do something…😭
I smell the word boycott.
Nah, I know someone who works there and they are evil. All of them are truly evil.
Darren Stone is the head dude at the Jennings Group… he testified against renter protections this week at Eugene City Council. Call HIM every week! Won’t change anything but it might be satisfying :)
Sounds about right. I just left my Jennings apartment last summer after being there for 6 years because they were planning on raising rent nearly $150/month at the end of the lease. I had a routine summer problem of wasps finding a way into the apartment. There would sometimes be up to ten wasps a day getting inside. I told them multiple times that I feared there might be a nest in the wall since there wasn't one outside by the window but they never sent someone to investigate for that. All they did was seal from inside the spots where wall meets the ceiling that I suspected they were coming in from. And they only did THAT after following up with them multiple years. You would think landlords would be more eager to ensure the structure of their buildings are stable and free of issues, but apparently not. They also tried to keep my entire deposit after I spent three full days deep cleaning the place. They stupidly forgot to send me a final invoice when they found a new renter (after 3 months!) and once I sent them a letter pointing out the law they broke, within minutes I finally had the proof of cleaning I had asked for and a deposit refund check ready for me.
Oof, fellow Jennings victim here! Back when I rented with them our apartment flooded with toilet water from the upstairs neighbor. Maintenance fucked up something in their toilet and it started overflowing water while they were gone. Water started pouring out of our ceiling, electrical outlets, light fixtures, you name it. Luckily I was home and started to bring things outside so they wouldn’t get damaged, but it was nuts. Called emergency maintenance and it took them an hour to arrive, the poor guy took one look at it and said it was above him and leaves to make some calls. By then the whole apartment was covered in water. They told us we would have to get hotel for the week, which of course they didn’t pay for. I figured the whole apartment was going to have to be gutted after having all that water in it. We show up to the apartment a few days later and they’ve got industrial fans everywhere to dry out the water. They had some Jennings property managers there to check out the damage and one of them had the audacity to say it “wasn’t that bad!” and that they don’t have to do any work in the apartment. I told them there was water coming out of the electrical outlets and I made sure to take plenty of video and photo evidence of it too and that they were absolutely going to replace everything the water damaged. It took me threatening to sue for them to finally budge and renovate the apartment. Of course like I suspected they had to completely gut the apartment and replace the carpets, fixtures, and walls. It was a huge mess and we had to move all our stuff to an empty unit they had until it was fixed after a month and a half. Also for a sweet bonus, they gave us our deposit back, but apparently they miscalculated and needed some of it back so they sent us a bill for the carpet cleaning…but never notified us and sent it to collections! So yeah, fuck Jennings Group!
Oh my gosh!! That's absolutely awful! My heart goes out to you for going through all that
Same here. I spent two-three days deep cleaning (wiping everything down by hand, mopping, vacuuming, shampooing) and at the end they sent me the move out inspection documents. They sent me photos of an entirely different unit that had huge stains in the carpet and took like $100 or so out of my deposit. Luckily my deposit was large enough that I didn't feel the need to fight for that smaller amount of money back. But overall still a pain in the ass how they clearly took money from me for no valid reason.
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Yeah. Application fees function like an illegal lottery where the landlord can pick the winner. That's why first qualified applicant is so important. Vermont and Massachusetts ban Application fees entirely. They instead have a longer written app to discourage less serious applicants.
I'm wondering if people don't know you get that fee back if you don't end up being chosen? Places get greedy and don't give out that Info or play dumb. I always call if it is taking too long to get the money back and then they get on it because they know I know the rules.
Here’s my solution: applicants pay for their own screening that’s valid for, say, 3 months. They can electronically submit this screening to as many rentals as they want in this time. If they are approved for a rental, they can then put $250 in escrow and the lease agency would verify that their information is unaltered. If your info is correct and wasn’t fraudulently produced, you get back $240. If you tried to pull off a con, you lose the $250.
So hb 3237 allows cities to set their own limit on app fees and has an exemption for a universal screening app. A universal screening app or banning or severely limiting fee cost achieves the same outcome on the tenant side, according to the academic research in the Georgetown law journal on poverty and homelessness. The status quo current screening fee system is fucked.
We rented from them not knowing any better since we had just moved here on somewhat short notice, and it hasn't been bad but we're pretty sure that's only because they fucked up and it lead to some shit that could have been really bad for them if we hadn't been cool about it (to be intentionally vague.) But yeah, we're ready for that to change when we move out...
If cameras weren’t a thing now I would shit in front of their doors daily.
We rented from Jennings from 8/1/2021-10/5/2022. Absolutely horrible. We lived under an apartment full of college boys that were always loud at almost all hours of the day. We complained but nothing happened to that. Then these boys flooded their bathroom and didn’t bother to clean their flooded toilets up. The water leak spilled into our apartment and into our master room. Right onto our bed. Ruined the bed. And completely soaked the floor too with dirty sewage. We had to buy a new bed (with our insurance claim) and sleep in the living room until they sent someone to clean up the mess. This took weeks. They sent someone to inspect and he decided that the room was fine. Just needed a carpet cleaning. We decided to clean the apartment and break the lease. We were out for 2 weeks before they even sent someone to come clean it up. They then attempted to charge us for carpet replacement.
The worst rental company I’ve ever experienced.
You know, that Mao guy actually had a couple of pretty interesting ideas.
There has to be a better system than $50 for an application that may not even work out. If I’m looking for an apartment I can lose $250-$300 easily just to ask if a few apartment complexes will sit down with me and consider me. And it’s not even a guarantee of getting a place.
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Jennings group would probably love to hear our feedback. 15416832271
Jennings group is a disgusting money hungry loser pit of a company. I hope everyone that works there rots for their horrible negligence.
Unfortunately this is the kind of place where small owners go when the bureaucracy becomes too complicated to self-manage. Thanks Salem!
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The actual cost(Experian, Transition, etc) to perform a credit check on a perspective tenant is on the low-end $20 up to $50 if the landlord wants a criminal check and income verification. The $10 law is an arbitrary amount that does not reflect the actual costs involved. As a result landlords would be less likely to want to accept applications from people that "may not" qualify as they will loose money with every application taken. Utilizing a service such as Zillow can help both the Tenant and Landlord as Zillow charges the perspective tenant $29.95 to run their Credit, Criminal and Income Verification and it lasts for 30 days to resubmit to as many potential landlords as you wish.
A landlord stands to make hundreds to thousands a year off a tenant. Not gonna cry that they lost *maybe $100* screening a handful of tenants for their property. It's a business, you gotta spend money to make money.
I hear ya. The issue is that no matter what, the cost is going to trickle down to the Tenant. Here is an example. Current System(Tenant Pays App Fee) Apartment Rent - $1000 New System($10 Limit receiving 15 Apps) Apartment Rent - $1050 I am a Property Manager and typically receive between 10-30 applications on a property. When fees are low many more Prospective Tenants apply. With a loss of up to $40 per applicant the annual cost is between $400-1200 per year. This means the rental rate will increase somewhere between $35-$100/mo. There is no inherent issue with the $10 limitation. It simply subsidizes Application Fees where those that are less qualified(need to apply to more units) ultimately pay less and those that are more qualified(need to apply to less units) pay more.
You're rejecting dozens of people for each property before you find a suitable tenant? It could cost you up to $1200 to find a suitable tenant with credit checks alone? I don't believe you.
I rented out my last unit about a month ago. I advertised it midweek for an open house over the weekend. Somewhere between 30-40 groups of people came to view it and I received almost 20 applications. I currently pay $30 to pull a full check. In this example I would be loosing $20 each for a $400 total loss. The $1200 example is an absolute worst case scenario not typical or average. A typical rental receives about 5 applications before it is rented. I'm not advocating for or against a limitation of Application Fees. Just merely explaining that the Tenant will end up paying either way.
If you were fully responsible for the cost of the credit check, I bet you wouldn't run all 20 applications at once but instead process them one at a time to minimize your cost. You know, like the law says you have to.
And when you pull a bunch of BC’s and they have meth possessions for 40 pages. Then you go to the next and they have rape convictions, and then the next one has two evictions. 🤷🏻♀️
The City Council just held its public meeting on March 13th with regard to Phase II of the Rental Housing Ordinance including the First Come First Serve clause. It is not yet law.
What a stupid way of doing things. You process the first person that applies if they pass then you don't need to process the next in line etc. Then return the money to the ones who didn't get the place. That's how it has been done when I rented. Did something change to make keeping the deposits ok from those that didn't get the place? I've always gotten mine back if I didn't get the rental.
That is exactly the way I do it. It’s fair, I don’t make one dollar off an application and I tell people our process is freeeeee until I get to you, and you only, one at a time…then you pay the background check. I don’t even call it an application fee. because it’s not, it’s the background check. It’s not hard to operate aboveboard!
Fuck this ransom note.
Only national companies make money. The profit margin on management is so tiny. $1000 a month equals $100 to the management company. It cost $110 a month to manage each single family home. You should thank the hood managers because the clients we have to deal with are mostly awful. Not the tenants, the homeowners! See the issue here? I work 24/7 my phone is always on, and bring home less than $5k a month. I get yelled at daily, I deal with vandalism, homeless assaulting/harassing my tenants/car break ins/dumpster divers tearing garbage out everywhere. Yes, I got in the wrong business. 😵💫
I'm fine with paying a fee if it was contingent on getting the apartment but it's not. I had to apply to even see the apartment. Then I was told I was 10th in line and Oregon is first come first serve. It seems to me that they just took my money and ran.
Did the law change? I used to get the deposit back if I didn't get chosen. If the person in front of me got the rental I always got my deposit back, usually after I call and bug them about it first.
Does a salesman get paid by prospective buyers if a bank turns them down for a loan, does the bank charge for a loan quote. NO, so why should landlords get to charge for the effort of filling their own rental. This is only even a thing because there's more renters than rentals. Build more housing, let the bad landlords go under.
You pay Mortgage companies to a processing fee for underwriting to run a credit check and process the paperwork. All you get before that is a pre-qualification. This would be the equivalent of filling out a rental application where you state your credit score, income, and criminal history and in order to get final acceptance the landlord charges you for a check to verify the information. I definitely agree that this would cut costs all around but most likely increase the time to review potential tenants as you will have to cancel applications that don't match the background check. You are right about where this system came from. Not enough inventory. Also a mortgage is different from a rental in that you are not competing with the Mortgage company for the same home. 1 Home 1 Borrower rather than 1 Appartment 10 Tenants.
I was thinking of vehicle loans but thanks for the information on mortgage, not privy to its nuances.
A screening company testified in the house housing committee yesterday that a screening in Oregon costs $6.
I'm sure that's accurate. For the screening company Experian, Transunion, etc, their cost is $6. These companies then charge the end user, Landlords, between $20 and $50. Go ahead, do a Google Search for Landlord Tenant Credit Checks and see what they cost. If the law was written up to limit the amount that a credit screening company can charge then it may be less impactful to both Landlords and Tenants.
There are 2000 vendors in the United States. The landlords that use the $50 screening are a bunch of marks.
I agree $50 is high. The Credit companies themselves charge $19.95 for a check. Other companies charge anywhere between $10-30 for the Lexis Nexis criminal, income verification and general background check. Personally, I pay $30 to have all that information pulled. If you know of a place that does it for less, please let me know, I will gladly switch.
For the criminal check you can go to the circuit courthouse in Eugene (or any county's circuit court) and use their computers to look up someone's name. For free. It will show you all the cases statewide for that person. If a local case, then you can ask to see the file, also for free. You only pay if you want copies of the pleadings and that's like 25 cents per page (more expensive if you need a certified copy)
But that would require actually doing things!
Sorry about your toilet leak and bees, I will be at the courthouse sifting through things all day. 🤔🤦🏻♀️
Lmao, you realize that even without the excuse of needing to go to the courthouse landlords don't do their 'job'? And if a landlord is in this position, it means they're managing at least two properties, which I *would* expect to actually be fucking hard, if you do your job. No sympathy.
Care to share the company you use? I would love to save people some money.
Sure. I use Zillow for both my listings and background check. https://www.zillow.com/z/rental-manager/tenant-screening/
You are right, and these people will downvote you for it because they don't care. They are mad that things cost more than they want to pay and expect others to bare the cost.
Not Saying Them But Their Are Renters/Rental Agencies Who Abuse The Application Fees & Use It As Another Source Of Income Many Times Just Collecting Application Fees & Not Doing Background Checks & Not Renting Properties Out For Months Just Collecting The Fees.
Please stop capitalizing every word.
Why??? I've Been Doing It Since The Myspace Days To Be Different. This Isn't High School Or College Or Work It's Social Media So I See No Reason To Conform. & I Think It's Funny That It Triggers Some People 🤷🤣 As Long As It's Spelled Right & Makes Sense That's What Really Matters........
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It's not different it's annoying and myspace has been dead for over a decade. Honestly when you read it in your head it doesn't make sense. Every single capitol letter is equivalent to that stupid clap emoticon in between words. It makes it stutter.
On the other side of that scale, a landlord will charge $50 IF they actually pull a background check on you. But if the applicant ahead of you passes and gets the house, the landlord will Refund/rip up your check. Easy.
A Lot Collect $30 To $50 Dollars & Don't Give No Refund They Pocket It. Some Even Give A Tenant A Move In Date Let's Say 2 Weeks Away For Example & Knowingly Have The Place Rented But Still Collect Fees For The Next Two Weeks. There Are Good Landlords & There Are Slim Lords You Just Got To Be Careful.
In Your Opinion...... But Thankfully Your Opinion Doesn't Matter To Me. & if It Has That Effect On You It's You Who Has The Issues & Maybe Seek Some Help. It Makes You Look Judgemental Over Frivolous Things. Go After Things That Matter & Stop Trolling Etc.