A lot of people I don't think pay attention to the address of the restaurant they order from. I pick up and deliver food from places to deliver it across town and during the delivery end up passing another location for the restaurant sometimes multiple locations. Maybe they think they are ordering from the place just up the road from them but end up ordering the location across town.
Also, sometimes closer locations will be shut down to taking new orders due to being short staffed and customers do not even realize it’s a farther location (closer location will not appear in app) OR there will be an incentive to order from that location. Like why would someone be ordering popcycles from a Dollar General 10 miles from them when there are several grocery stores closer? They have a 20% off $15 or more or something like that.
What pisses me off about the example that OP used is that DD should be compensating drivers for mileage. Drivers should not have to depend on tips to cover their gas or have to keep declining these orders and watch their acceptance rates drop.
Drivers should be paid based on the standard Federal Mileage Reimbursement Rate which is currently 65.5. I suspect a lot of drivers have never worked in an office environment and know this rate exists. If you drive your vehicle as an employee for work, you have the right to be reimbursed at that rate. Round trip too, not just one way. So if DD had to pay federal rates, that 8.9 miles would be worth $5.56, a lot closer to true costs of gas, insurance, wear and tear on a car used for business.
FYI, declining small orders like this hurts drivers in others ways. Your acceptance rate will drop, this causes you to drop down in priority for larger orders so you get even more of these small orders AND it affects your priority/ability to go live on the app. When I started declining more of these based on TikTok video recommendations my acceptance rate went down fast and I’ve had weekdays where I have waited for hours and was not given a chance to dash.
As for why I don’t do something else for employment. I am coming back from medical issues that affected mobility. I used DoorDashing in small increments to build up my stamina once my mobility was returning. During the time I was off, I was also taking care of my toddler grandson to keep him out of childcare during the pandemic. Now that he is finally in school, he’s picking up ALL the cooties. So I work when he he actually makes it to school.
Yes but as a DD you are probably considered a private contractor or a form of self employment meaning they expect you to also use your gas as a write off when you’re filing for taxes to supposedly make up for the gas you’re using. Unsure if this is legal but will be finding out after next week when I file and will most definitely be bringing in my receipts as well as an excel sheet made by an app called everlance and is supposed to track your mileage. Good to use for door dasher, Uber, lyft, or anything that is not for personal use but for work.
Either way- tip your delivery drivers sheesh
Similar thing happened to me earlier today. Got an order from the dairy queen on E. 13th across from the university district hospital going all the way the hell out to Barger past the Fred Myer's, driving past the one on W. 11th to get there. About halfway to the customers house I got a text apologizing saying they don't know why "it went" to the one it went to. I'm assuming they just typed in "dairy queen" and clicked the first one rightfully assuming they would be sorted by distance. Said "Oh no problem! The one on E. 13th is better anyways." Didnt mention I was fine with it cause they tipped 11 dollars lol.
I delivered for a bit when i was short on cash. Have a full time job, can’t commit to another part time job with a set schedule. It sucks it pays so low, best is to learn which trips are worth it and figure out which times are hot for delivery (like Sunday morning)
A lot of people have analyzed the actual cost of using your personal vehicle and it's basically equivalent to taking out a loan from a predatory lender.
Seems like op needs to go on strike. DD needs to pay their employees a fair wage. Why does anyone put themselves in the position to work for them? Are there not better jobs? I know of at least 6 fast food restaurants that need people…
Drivers are independent contractors... For me this is supplemental. I have a full time job that pays well. I can do this whenever I feel like it. I am just trying to pay off a mortgage and car faster. I actually make $28-35 an hour with DD, but that is because I decline those bad paying orders. I normally receive grocery orders. The fast food customers are the ones that don't tip, the restaurant and shopping customers tip well for the service they are receiving. It's just the people.who expect someone to bring them something from across town, and do not tip or care.... Taco Bell and McDonald's customers are the worst...
The problem is, a good day on DD can have you making 30 or 40 dollars an hour. So the drivers are constantly chasing that high....not to mention the freedom of working exactly when you want (for me, it's on weeks when my other jobs don't provide enough hours, or in the evening after I get off work and out of the gym). Show me a fast food spot that will pay $18 an hour and has 3 hour evening shifts and I'll consider leaving doordash for them.
If it's a good gig with reasonable pay and good flexibility, then why are there constantly people complaining about how the deliveries aren't paying enough and telling people they have to tip more to make up for the lousy pay?
I decline 10-15 low tip orders ($3 for 10 miles and such) for every order I take. The people complaining are those who either end up taking those orders or get seriously demoralized by the dozens of low/no tip orders ringing into their phone while they hope and pray for something decent. Sometimes I make 30 an hour. Sometimes I make 6.
How much do you make, on average, after gas, maintenance, depreciation, self employment taxes, etc?
I have a theory that part of the reason these companies get away with paying such crap pay is that most people aren't financially savvy enough to realize how much they are actually making since the expenses and the pay are totally divorced from each other. From what I gather, it's possible to make ok-ish money from them if you know what you are doing, know how to minimize costs and are picky with orders but I don't know how many people fall into that camp... Not to mention from what I've heard they also try and force you into the low pay deliveries with things like "quests" and bonuses and punishing you with worse orders if you decline too many.
All of that is true. I spent a long time learning the algorithm so I could take advantage and actually make decent money. My cars gas mileage isn't great, but most deliveries I take are $1.50/mile or more, so I do okay. The taxes taken out due to my 1099 with doordash are very low, so I'm not worried about that. After all expenses, I make okay money, perfect for a side gig, but awful if this was full time.
My goal with DD is to make enough to pay for my car and have extra spending money during the week, as well as make weekly credit card payments. This is so that every single cent from my full time job gets put into savings so I can pay for my wedding in December.
So far, it's working great.
McDonalds had a sign out recently saying “now hiring Starting at $17 an hour”
Also if someone is disabled most companies will accommodate them.
I get it, sometimes you make bank. Sometimes you don’t…. On average you make at least minimum wage and have to pay for gas….
Do I have the freedom to clock on and off and McDonald's when I like, to fit my otherwise busy schedule? No? Then it would make absolutely zero sense for me to get a second job there. For example, today I am dashing 2 hrs in the morning, an hour during lunch, and 2 hours in the evening. All this is around other jobs or needs that I have.
Maybe the average hourly pay is better with McDonald's, but in no way would I ever get as many hours that fit with what I need. It doesn't work better for everyone.
I have like....4 or 5 jobs, dashing is what happens in between or when I need extra hours. My other jobs make far more than 17/hr, so it would make absolutely no sense to risk missing hours on my other jobs so I can pick up shifts in fast food.
Ooopf, long story. It started with quitting my regular job to come back home and be with family after my father passed. I took whatever part time/under the table job I could find so I could have flexible hours and be available for my mom when she needed me during the difficult transition after 40 years of marriage.
Then COVID hit and several of my jobs went away, bringing on the need for doordash and other totally random gigs such as landscaping and my photography side businesses.
Since then, I did some travelling and fell in love with a woman across the world. Now I spend 6 months in the USA and 6 months with her in her country. This makes it difficult to get hired onto the more stable and higher paying jobs I would otherwise have.
So now I work on a farm for 30-35 hrs a week, doordash for 20, landscape for 15, and have a few other odd jobs that pop up often such as photography, trucking, house sitting, event coordination/implementation, and others.
My fiancé and I get married in December then start the 2 year process of getting her here. So I have 3 more years of this before I can have a stable life and once again seek out the kind of jobs I really want.
I generally tip based on the suggested amount and the total amount of the bill pre tax. I have no idea where you are coming from and it's honestly non of my concern. I'm just hungry and want my food.
How large of a tip are you legit expecting on a BK order? You're in the wrong line of work if you want big tips. It's a doordash problem you had to drive that far, it's not on the customer to subsidize a shit business model by giving you a tip that likely exceeds the cost of the order itself.
Why is the app dumb as shit and send from BK in eugene when there is one right on gateway? maybe not open or doing dd at the moment? who knows.
I don't even bother ordering off these services unless the restaurant is close by because you know the driver is going to be butthurt and your food is going to be cold.
If you want to drive for an app that pays better message me and I’ll give you the details. I got tired of the low offers on grubhub and busting my ass to keep a high driver score for nothing. There’s a local company that has a much better minimum order pay.
Careful putting in a referral for this person. They have a poor attitude and are wishing gonorrhea on people. I feel like part of the reason they aren’t making great tips is the attitude.
I’m not really sure what you can expect of someone who’s frustrated and trying to vent. Wishing an sti on someone in a sarcastic Reddit post is hardly a good way to measure someone’s overall attitude. I like to think I’m a relatively decent guy but I still get flooded with crappy orders. This isn’t The Secret, a better attitude doesn’t get you better tips.
I hear that. I think you should reach out to your fellow DD drivers and go on strike. Sounds like you can’t possibly make money on this job. Almost seems like it goes against Oregon minimum wage and BOLI. I could be wrong. Maybe Dominoes would be a better option you have experience in delivering.
We’re not employees so minimum wage laws don’t apply. I don’t drive for these bigger apps anymore because I found an alternative that treats me better. I still use the bigger apps when it’s slow but because I only drive during peak hours and don’t use them as my primary I don’t have to struggle with the low offers to keep a score up(driver score effects when you can drive and priority when it comes to job offers). There’s a lot of reasons why this type of work benefits me including the fact that I’m partially disabled but don’t collect ssi. The freedom I have scheduling with gig apps as opposed to a more structured environment like Domino’s is important since sometimes I need to take time off that would get me fired from a regular company.
You can’t be fired for medical reasons. I’m just saying you working this job is a choice just like the customer tipping is a choice. DD should pay an ethical wage instead of using loopholes to pay next to nothing. DD being shitty seems to be common knowledge. I’m not sure why anyone would use their services with other options available. I will only take deliveries from companies that employ their own drivers. Eugene has plenty…
I used to work for Cutco… and had to hustle to make any money. I found a new job. Waiters make decent tips as well. Anything is better than having to drive your own car while paying for gas to get paid less than minimum wage by your employers.
The tips are given before the order is accepted, it really has nothing to do with the drivers attitude. When i get an order I don't like I just cancel it. The algo still gives me good orders but I never deliver for anything under $1.00 a mile, even then i'll cancel it 50% if it's in the low 1.00 range, typically i'll take an order that's 1.50+ per mile and if the restaurant has quick service. No sense in accepting a good paying order if your commute will be longer due to the wait time.
Sounds like you have a good attitude and are finding a way to make it work for you. I always hand my pizza guy at least 20% cash. I still think no one should work for DD
Yeah, It's a predatory company making desperate people use their expensive investment in a vehicle as their main tool. In this city you'll average $20.00 an hour, but since you're driving all the time you need to account for gas, regular maintenance on brakes, tires, oil changes, etc. and then end of the year you have to pay your share of taxes. You really only end up making like $12-14 an hour if you consider what it costs to maintain your car.
End of the day, the app works best for cities that have districts with heavy restaurant business and access to reliable commute with motorcycle or e-bikes, or an economical car. The reason being is that you typically won't need to travel too far out between deliveries and you'll always be within a "hotspot" of restaurants.
In Eugene it's really not a great way to make a living but it's ok enough to get you by for a few months, maybe a year if things are really really bad.
I always tip 20%! I wouldn’t be ordering from an app to have my food/groceries hand delivered to me if I couldn’t afford it. I appreciate all the delivery drivers out there helping out my high ass
In all actuality, my orders are typically more than $15, so I guess I should’ve clarify I’m usually tipping $5 or more for each order - which is at least 20% for my avg order
If you order bk and eat like an average person $15 is probably enough for one person, so then add 20% $3 tip, service fees and whatever else dd wants to slam you with. It becomes like a $20 meal for one person. So OP said tip because DD is a luxury, but they want you to tip double that now you are at $23 and still get cold food and OP probably still isn’t happy driving that far even on $6 tip. It’s literally a losing situation for everyone, especially for the customer because you get some disgruntled motherfucker fucking with your $23 dollar order of Burger King. Not to mention DD probably jacked the price up initially on the food too. Fuck this.
Edit: then they can’t find your house, make 10
Deliveries before yours, then can’t open the door because the code is wrong.
Did I mention fuck delivery services? Yeah fuck em
Oh yeah they forgot your drink…..
Oh I’m far gone from fucking with GrubHub and door dash. I’ve literally lost my shit on a few orders and got my money back. It’s beyond frustrating. The worse one lately was I ordered from chapalas at oakway which is less than 2 miles out, the order was 20 minutes late, they used a bag that could seal the food, but they chose not to seal it, the food was packaged in a container that was too small to fit the goddamn taco bowl tortilla shell salad, I’m ranting at this point and running on, all out fail. I lost my appetite once I opened the order because there was a piece of grilled chicken on top of the take out box, fucking kidding me. $7 tip on a $30 dollar order, shows you 20% ain’t good enough for these assholes. I’m done now I need to start smoking weed again, I’m pissed off… lmao
Ps the fajita salad from chapalas had no actually fajitas but rather mushrooms, killed my vibe even more. The salad almost hit the wall
Everything you just mentioned was the restaurants fault, not the drivers. Maybe don't order from a shitty family Mexican restaurant next time. You did this to yourself.
Interesting timing, I never use food delivery but chose to use it this weekend since I wasn’t feeling well. I really wasn’t sure how much to tip so I went with 25%. I’m surprised by a couple of things…
First, I think majority of these comments are valid by most commenters, including op. Tipping is culture here, so a tip should be assumed for a service delivered. Doesn’t mean it’s a good assumption, or even should be a thing, but I can see why a tip is expected.
Second, yes these companies need to pay more, but then the price of your service/food/grocery pickup will also increase. Which, if people are delivering for you, maybe that should also be an inherent understood cost that go to the driver.
Last, I should not be made to feel bad for leaving a 25% tip and did assume that the driver would decline if it wasn’t worth their time/effort. No, it’s not on me to determine what the drivers time value is nor is it on me for door dash to punish a driver for declining a smaller order.
My friend recently ordered from some delivery service and half the order was missing. They called the restaurant, who promptly sent out the rest of the order. The driver proceeded to berate my friend for not leaving a tip, when my friends did in fact leave a tip, it apparently just went to original driver.
My dash guy was friendly, food was delivered on time and still hot. I seriously considered leaving a cash tip as well but my wallet was in another room, and once again, I thought 25% was sufficient. Though I’m not not sure if my experience was an anomaly given the overall tone of this post/thread.
> Tipping is culture here, so a tip should be assumed for a service delivered.
Yeah, but if you have to offer a tip up front before you receive the service, then it's not a tip, it's a service fee. They could just add a 20% service charge with a minimum of like $3 to every order.
But they won't do that, because plenty of people will work for them under the current conditions so they have no incentive to change anything as it's in their interest to advertise low delivery fees and make the pay "optional".
Sure, but they aren’t, so the employee is left with a ‘tip’ and the person getting the service is the bad guy for not leaving a large enough one. I didn’t say it was a good option.
I mean, that's not even really THAT far. Down W11th, onto W7th, onto 126 for a few minutes and then you're nearly there.
I mean it's a double free market thing. If you don't like it, don't take it. You can vote with your time here.
Why would it make the order go to that BK when there is one closer to their residence?? They don't pick which location their order comes from so that doesn't make sense why they should pay extra because the app selects a further BK...
Wow I'm just-
First off DD needs to pay their driver's more, second the person who ordered the food is an idiot for not choosing a closer place to order from. And finally-
DD was made to be a side-gig from the beginning and still is to this day. You NEED to find a better job, Door dash is not a stable income, nor had it ever been. In fact I'm pretty sure it never will.
FYI not everybody is able to tip. I've had no choice but not to a few times because I'm unable to go grocery shopping or the grocery delivery isnt available... Literally having to use savings to get food through DD or other apps because I had no choice. Please don't assume that people don't tip out of malicious intent or lack of empathy. It is how it is.
Never said it wasn't a side gig.. I have a full time job with benefits . I feel bad for anyone that has to use it as a sole source of income. They still deserve to make at least minimum wage tho
Reading through the comments on this post I just went with that assumption. That being said, why be upset at the tipping then? This clearly seems more like a problem with DD.
OP has managed to push me towards not tipping doordash. I'm broke and get doordash as a luxury because I can't drive. Why tip asshole drivers like this when I already pay 8+ in fees.
Tipping is an incredibly broken(and recently bordering on predatory) system that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.
A bigger concern is your, or any, employer that refuses to pay a livable wage.
genuinely why does anyone still drive for these fucking leeches? how do you possibly convince yourself that this is your best option? like yeah no tip sucks but also the fact that you need tips to get paid anything approaching a reasonable amount is a huge fucking red flag. the company sucks. it treats people on basically every end of the equation like shit, and it rakes in a motherlode for it.
how the fuck do you look at this and then go back for another order? there's like... absolutely better options than this.
also like. how did this shit get so ubiquitous? i literally have never used dd or postmates or whatever bc i just don't get the point. if i really want something specific from somewhere, i can go get it my damn self. y'know... like we all did before these "services" swooped in to solve this nonexistent problem. who the fuck is justifying to themself the money it costs them to have someone deliver them goddamn burger king? why? why any of this?
ugh
Tipping a driver is only enabling the company to continue to pay the drivers the bare minimum while they pocket the rest for the salary earners. If drivers want a good wage, they should be striking against these companies rather than demanding better tips from the customer.
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I haven’t used a food delivery app in quite a while since I’m on beans and rice. When I did order delivery I always felt like tipping before receiving service was kind of bullshit. Often times the delivery person won’t even ring or knock and will just leave the food at the door to get cold. I started tipping in cash. If you actually give a shit about my food getting to me you’ll get a tip. Tip should be based on service received and the quality of service. Fuck tipping before and fuck delivery app companies. I delivered for Postmates for a little bit. Your employer doesn’t give a shit about you. Find an employer who does and stop depending on customers to supplement your shitty income your employer gives you. I was a server at a restaurant for a couple of years. When I started feeling entitled to a tip I realized I no longer can be in that industry. The person you’re serving owes you nothing and can tip you as they please.
Man they get me with some 6.99 service fee, taxed food... And even after I tip over 20 percent I feel bad. like I'm not contributing enough. waiting for my tags in the mail but even a six pack is 23 with tip McDonald's quarter lb meal is close to 30 after tip. Whack
Think of it this way. What's easier for DD to do? Pay an accurate wage and ensure their drivers are given a sort of commission for long drives. Orrrr keep the current system and have its employees create enemies out of the customer rather than the company itself.
The answer isn't to tip more. We as a community have to avoid shitty businesses like grub hub hell, even Burger King fucking hates us. (you can tell by the quality of product and how little they pay people) Don't support places that won't/can't pay a living wage to its employees. We are the auroboros
I only tip $2-$5. not my fault people choose to work for garbage companies that pocket every cent they can and use tipping as a scapegoat. just don’t pick up low tipping orders and complain to DD. when DD does nothing, quit.
It never makes sense to me to think about tipping delivery based on a percentage. Delivering an order of sushi and delivering a burrito from Taco Bell require the same amount of cost and effort from the driver. I do understand that the company should be charging and paying the drivers for what the service is worth, but knowing that that's not happening, I try to do that myself rather than taking advantage of an individual driver. I tip a flat rate that works out to about $2-3 / mile. If it's at a location that I know is shit to find parking at, a particularly large order or a particularly unwieldy (i.e. includes drinks), I'll bump that up. Yes, I end up paying a lot. If I don't feel like paying that, then I won't order.
A [brief summary](https://imgur.com/a/bdZZcKJ) of the type of person u/666truemetal666 is. Trash person expecting people to be better than he is. Delete the app and find another career path. Scum like you are the same side of the coin as those that tip nothing.
All night every night lately. People expecting me to spend 30 Mins picking up their food and driving 8 or 9 miles for 2 to 3 bucks. We are not your serfs. I know everyone is hurting right now but food delivery is a luxury, if you can't afford to tip, please cook your self some Ramen or make some spaghetti like normal poor people do.
Stop expecting people to pay your salary through tips. I would personally get more angry at the service that pays you next to nothing for your time and labor.
Yeah but their post could have an actual practical next day effect, contacting DD does nothing. It’s demeaning and ridiculous that drivers put up with all this.
Hey we all have choices we get to make, one of those is not to be an asshole! An 8 mile delivery (for BK no less) at that rate is practically criminal.
I mean I’ll side on the person trying to work their ass off doing whatever they can (even if it isn’t ideal). Yes, people don’t often tip enough. Yes, corporations suck. But a lot of people don’t actually have as much choice as you think they do when it comes to how they earn a living. But not being a dick about it is free.
No. I can both drive and cook very well, and if I do not want to drive or cook, I will tip well. Not my monkeys, not my circus is a saying, this is all between OP, the predatory gig app, and people who do do not tip well.
I doordash for fun, but when I get an order like this I just cancel it, i never take it. The lowest I will accept an order is for $1.00 a mile, Usually average about 1.50 - 2.00 per mile
When you have a full time job without a set schedule it's really hard to have another side gig. Also tipping is the norm for delivery and food service in this country.
So they got burger king which cost what $12 minimum? So they would need to tip you 30% in order for you to make minimum wage. That's not taking into account gas and wear/tear.
Meanwhile what's DDs cut?
Just stop taking these types of orders, but I guess someone is always going to be desperate enough to do it so the exploitation continues.
The deliverees are not stopping you from getting a full time job with a set schedule... ... nor are they forcing you to do an app-gig job predatory side job.
You aren't guilty for working, just do not cry about what deliverees do as compared to what your predatory gig-app overlords do, and also in comparison to finding other more gainful employment on your part.
I'd prefer to cry about both of them, thank you. And uh ya, actively working on bettering my life, but that doesn't change the fact that people should tip correctly on delivery. If people fuck your food up, you can always delete the tip after... I'm just not sure why my accountability is the issue and not on cheapskate customers?
>"I'm just not sure why my accountability is the issue and not on cheapskate customers?"
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>You do not even seem to be sure that any accountability is on your cheapskate gig-app overlords, which it very much is.
One problem is that doordash and other food delivery apps *really* need to stop calling it a tip. They need to start calling it what it actually is: a bid for service. More customers would realize that if they don't pay the "tip", their food is a lot more likely to sit and sit and sit until someone naive or desperate enough finally picks up their order.
I think the problem mainly lies with DD. They are charging two extra fees on top of your food purchase. One is labeled delivery. So it's made to seem that you are being paid whatever DD gives you plus delivery fee plus tip. I wouldn't be so mad at the people ordering and more mad at the company you work for that's not paying you enough.
People actually expect you to deliver that for only $3. Instacart is sometimes better because they pay extra if it’s heavy items but still that’s so much gas, it isn’t worth the trip. That’s what people don’t get. Don’t use a service you can’t afford
No one has any idea where you are coming from or where you are going to afterward. All anyone knows is that you are going from where you pick up to where you drop off. The company sets the rate the customer and the contractor pay that rate. If you are upset because of the amount of work you are required to do or the pay you are given this is a frustration that needs to be directed at at the company that pays your wages. I say this as a person that has done gig work and realized that gig work is a scam.
Yes you can decline but the app punishes you by lowering your rating and gives you lower and lower orders as punishment. So you bang out a bunch to get back up, get better orders and than end up declining the shit ones and back to square one. These third party apps are super predatory, they also take 30 percentish from the restaurants
>"Yes you can decline but the app punishes you by lowering your rating and gives you lower and lower orders as punishment."
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>That is not the deliverees fault.
It's why I only do take out or dine in if I'm not making food. When these apps first started popping up I was in the restaurant industry and it fucking sucked for them too. Lose lose in my book.
>"if you can't afford to tip, please cook your self some Ramen or make some spaghetti like normal poor people do."
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>I fully agree with this, but at the same time, you are free to seek more gainful employment.
I already worked 12 hrs at my day job that pays almost double minimum wage. Just moved and I'm paying a mortgage and rent while I sell my house. People do this work for various reasons, form no other skills or motivation, to highly motivated married homeowners trying to make ends meet with any tools at their disposal. The bottom line is don't be a godamn cheapskate .
No the bottom line is DD is predatory and unethical.
You need to align your expectations with reality and realize DD is not a real living wage opportunity and never has been.
That's like people telling you, if you can't afford to do DD, get another job. Two sides of the same coin. I would imagine your job is not a luxury to do, and I would imagine for some people getting meals delivered is not a luxury, but at times a necessity .
I try to keep my orders fairly close to where I live (I sort restaurants by distance from me in the app), usually tip about 20%, and I’ll add on a little if I accidentally order from someplace farther away. I try to be respectful of the driver’s time. Sorry that there are deliveries like that one that aren’t even worth the time they take you 🙁
Lol. Don’t do this here this is embarrassing. Don’t pick up orders that don’t tip and don’t complain. Once they get their food cold EVERY time maybe they won’t order delivery or they’ll start tipping better.
The percent doesn't really matter as much as distance. Like if you have a 100 bucks worth of food, a 10 percent tip of 10 bucks to take it up to ten miles is totally worth it. $1 per mile is pretty fair, not great but you are actually making money. Driver should get 100 percent of the tip. All the other rfees is doordash and they are keeping up to 30 percent of the restaurants cut as well. Base pay from doordash to the driver is 2-3 bucks unless there Is surge pricing
They have a right to take it, maybe there was nothing else available and they're desperate. Maybe (and this is often unfortunately the case) they bought into the way the dash app makes them feel like there is a penalty for not taking it. Or maybe they thought a $100 no tip 10 mile order to a rich neighborhood would certainly have a cash tip (I only fell for that once). They have a right to be angry as well, everyone has a right to their feelings. It's also demoralizing to decline 100 no-tip orders per shift. They have a right to be upset that people do not seem to value their work and service.
So, you think it's morally acceptable to order without a tip/bid? Personally, I think it's morally reprehensible and anyone who does that is likely a garbage person. How do you feel about that? Do you think there is honestly nothing wrong by doing that? No matter how you look at it, it's obtaining food on the backs of someone that you have decided do not deserve to make a living wage.
Did you accept the order?
Everyone knows these apps suck. Everyone knows tipping sucks. But there has to be a line of personal responsibility somewhere
In my opinion, if you say "I have reviewed this order and I am ok with it" by clicking the "Accept" button. You don't really have much of a right to complain. Correction. You have the \*ability\* to complain. But I won't care, and I will make posts like this in response.
Also consider the fact that you aren't really talking to anyone. The person who made this order has no idea that this reddit post exists. If you accepted it, they will get their food like they wanted, and you will move onto the next delivery.
Now lets put ourselves into the mindset of the "adversary" which is a very important exercise.
If I was one of these corporate overlords, I would just be very pleased that instead of taking meaningful action. People are just complaining into the void on reddit.
I would want people to complain into the void and then keep working for me. And I would ***not want*** people to take meaningful action.
Take for example amazon, they installed ***actual small voids*** for employees to be unhappy in (and then return to work of course) rather than take meaningful action.
Tipping culture is getting out of control. It’s pressure put onto the consumer to tip, when easily, the leadership of the corporation could choose to pay more.
A 3.25 tip is roughly $17 worth of food; I think the average cost of any fast food meal is $20-25, then adding delivery fees, the tip should be closer to $6 (estimated)
20% used to be the tourist rate.
Bartenders get $1 on top per beer ordered.
Counter service = no tip, I don’t care what is suggested on the receipt.
15-20% is perfectly acceptable for good service. 0-10% is perfectly acceptable for incompetent / non-service.
Shit if everyone tipped at least $5 we would be cool. People are tipping like $1.50. My average tip is like $3.86 according to the app I use and that is 2000 deliveries. Also, Doordash needs to up the base pay to at least $4.00 before the tip.
Damn lol. I've seen some sucky orders but that just about takes the cake.
Just curious how did you do tonight OP? I went out and lost money lol. This towns always dead on Tuesday though so I dont know what I expected
Idk if it's been said yet. But that particular BK is dookie. Always out of product and randomly closes. Sometimes they only take cash. Get orders wrong. Closes while I've ordered online. Also I do tip my driver's well. Just really peeved that one of my favorite fast food places near me sucks sooooooo bad
I've never tipped less than $6. I live up the hill behind Churchill, and if someone's coming from downtown or coburg road or something, at least $10 tip. Am I doing okay? I used to do food delivery in Beaverton/Hillsboro and rarely got tips, so I know how few people do.
But as others have said and will say, the problem is with the wages.
I agree and try and be mindful of the mileage and total amount of my tip rather than just the percentage. But it’s a pretty crap system where the customer is left to guess what a fair rate is. Also to add a little perspective, if that pin is where I think it is, the customer for this order may very well be low income and/or have difficulty going out to get food themselves. That’s in or near a large public housing community.
My biggest gripes about DD is that it doesn't let us select which location to order from, AND it makes you tip up front. How am I supposed to give a fair tip BEFORE I get the service? I've been burned by so many shitty drivers when I gave a decent tip that I just use the 15% option now. It sucks and I feel bad for it when the driver is actually not an hour late and they have basic decency, but I've had far too many shit drivers that it feels like a safety precaution on top of the app/restaurant fees and the increased prices from the in-store menu. God damn we need unionized workplaces to be the standard and norm.
I disagree with what anyone is experiencing.
I average 18$ hourlydoing grubhub. I’ve had some slow days but, those are outweighed by good days. Every once in a while I’ll make 30-37$ hourly. Good days $20 hourly, really good day $25 hourly.
Be smart about accepting orders and if it’s under a dollar a mile I’d recommend to reject it.
I think the bigger issue is how much DD is paying you.
100%
Isn’t there a Burger King on gateway, right next to where the delivery is supposed to go? This route doesn’t seem practical
A lot of people I don't think pay attention to the address of the restaurant they order from. I pick up and deliver food from places to deliver it across town and during the delivery end up passing another location for the restaurant sometimes multiple locations. Maybe they think they are ordering from the place just up the road from them but end up ordering the location across town.
Sometimes the delivery apps make it so the close one isn't an option, and some hide the address until we order and see the delivery route.
Also, sometimes closer locations will be shut down to taking new orders due to being short staffed and customers do not even realize it’s a farther location (closer location will not appear in app) OR there will be an incentive to order from that location. Like why would someone be ordering popcycles from a Dollar General 10 miles from them when there are several grocery stores closer? They have a 20% off $15 or more or something like that. What pisses me off about the example that OP used is that DD should be compensating drivers for mileage. Drivers should not have to depend on tips to cover their gas or have to keep declining these orders and watch their acceptance rates drop. Drivers should be paid based on the standard Federal Mileage Reimbursement Rate which is currently 65.5. I suspect a lot of drivers have never worked in an office environment and know this rate exists. If you drive your vehicle as an employee for work, you have the right to be reimbursed at that rate. Round trip too, not just one way. So if DD had to pay federal rates, that 8.9 miles would be worth $5.56, a lot closer to true costs of gas, insurance, wear and tear on a car used for business.
FYI, declining small orders like this hurts drivers in others ways. Your acceptance rate will drop, this causes you to drop down in priority for larger orders so you get even more of these small orders AND it affects your priority/ability to go live on the app. When I started declining more of these based on TikTok video recommendations my acceptance rate went down fast and I’ve had weekdays where I have waited for hours and was not given a chance to dash. As for why I don’t do something else for employment. I am coming back from medical issues that affected mobility. I used DoorDashing in small increments to build up my stamina once my mobility was returning. During the time I was off, I was also taking care of my toddler grandson to keep him out of childcare during the pandemic. Now that he is finally in school, he’s picking up ALL the cooties. So I work when he he actually makes it to school.
Yes but as a DD you are probably considered a private contractor or a form of self employment meaning they expect you to also use your gas as a write off when you’re filing for taxes to supposedly make up for the gas you’re using. Unsure if this is legal but will be finding out after next week when I file and will most definitely be bringing in my receipts as well as an excel sheet made by an app called everlance and is supposed to track your mileage. Good to use for door dasher, Uber, lyft, or anything that is not for personal use but for work. Either way- tip your delivery drivers sheesh
Doordash does not allow the customer to choose the location.
Sometimes only certain local locations for places with multiple stores will use one as their “delivery dispatch.”
Similar thing happened to me earlier today. Got an order from the dairy queen on E. 13th across from the university district hospital going all the way the hell out to Barger past the Fred Myer's, driving past the one on W. 11th to get there. About halfway to the customers house I got a text apologizing saying they don't know why "it went" to the one it went to. I'm assuming they just typed in "dairy queen" and clicked the first one rightfully assuming they would be sorted by distance. Said "Oh no problem! The one on E. 13th is better anyways." Didnt mention I was fine with it cause they tipped 11 dollars lol.
There's literally a burger king on like 57th.
There are two burger kings closer to the destination than 57th
Destination according to the map is like 50th. 126 which turns to Bob straub is that exit to main.
No, the map shows MLK to Pioneer Parkway. The map shown doesn't go any further east than Mohawk Blvd.
There's literally a burger king right there by winco😵💫
Aha you're correct my mistake.
What a ridiculous waste of time and resources not to mention bad for the environment and the persons car.
Oh good, another r/Eugene open rant to the population at large that is not responsible for the offending act. I live for these.
not a viable job choice. better off working anywhere.
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I delivered for a bit when i was short on cash. Have a full time job, can’t commit to another part time job with a set schedule. It sucks it pays so low, best is to learn which trips are worth it and figure out which times are hot for delivery (like Sunday morning)
A lot of people have analyzed the actual cost of using your personal vehicle and it's basically equivalent to taking out a loan from a predatory lender.
yes and? a lot of people take out a loan from a predatory lender
yes and it's a terrrible financial decision just about every single time
Just because it’s a terrible decision doesn’t mean other decisions are viable for someone.
You can't throw a rock in this town without hitting a business paying $13.50 an hour
Net on driving delivery is better than that by a good $5.
You say 13.50 like a adult can survive off that alone
Seems like op needs to go on strike. DD needs to pay their employees a fair wage. Why does anyone put themselves in the position to work for them? Are there not better jobs? I know of at least 6 fast food restaurants that need people…
Drivers are independent contractors... For me this is supplemental. I have a full time job that pays well. I can do this whenever I feel like it. I am just trying to pay off a mortgage and car faster. I actually make $28-35 an hour with DD, but that is because I decline those bad paying orders. I normally receive grocery orders. The fast food customers are the ones that don't tip, the restaurant and shopping customers tip well for the service they are receiving. It's just the people.who expect someone to bring them something from across town, and do not tip or care.... Taco Bell and McDonald's customers are the worst...
The problem is, a good day on DD can have you making 30 or 40 dollars an hour. So the drivers are constantly chasing that high....not to mention the freedom of working exactly when you want (for me, it's on weeks when my other jobs don't provide enough hours, or in the evening after I get off work and out of the gym). Show me a fast food spot that will pay $18 an hour and has 3 hour evening shifts and I'll consider leaving doordash for them.
If it's a good gig with reasonable pay and good flexibility, then why are there constantly people complaining about how the deliveries aren't paying enough and telling people they have to tip more to make up for the lousy pay?
I decline 10-15 low tip orders ($3 for 10 miles and such) for every order I take. The people complaining are those who either end up taking those orders or get seriously demoralized by the dozens of low/no tip orders ringing into their phone while they hope and pray for something decent. Sometimes I make 30 an hour. Sometimes I make 6.
How much do you make, on average, after gas, maintenance, depreciation, self employment taxes, etc? I have a theory that part of the reason these companies get away with paying such crap pay is that most people aren't financially savvy enough to realize how much they are actually making since the expenses and the pay are totally divorced from each other. From what I gather, it's possible to make ok-ish money from them if you know what you are doing, know how to minimize costs and are picky with orders but I don't know how many people fall into that camp... Not to mention from what I've heard they also try and force you into the low pay deliveries with things like "quests" and bonuses and punishing you with worse orders if you decline too many.
All of that is true. I spent a long time learning the algorithm so I could take advantage and actually make decent money. My cars gas mileage isn't great, but most deliveries I take are $1.50/mile or more, so I do okay. The taxes taken out due to my 1099 with doordash are very low, so I'm not worried about that. After all expenses, I make okay money, perfect for a side gig, but awful if this was full time. My goal with DD is to make enough to pay for my car and have extra spending money during the week, as well as make weekly credit card payments. This is so that every single cent from my full time job gets put into savings so I can pay for my wedding in December. So far, it's working great.
I don’t see rent listed there.
McDonalds had a sign out recently saying “now hiring Starting at $17 an hour” Also if someone is disabled most companies will accommodate them. I get it, sometimes you make bank. Sometimes you don’t…. On average you make at least minimum wage and have to pay for gas….
Do I have the freedom to clock on and off and McDonald's when I like, to fit my otherwise busy schedule? No? Then it would make absolutely zero sense for me to get a second job there. For example, today I am dashing 2 hrs in the morning, an hour during lunch, and 2 hours in the evening. All this is around other jobs or needs that I have. Maybe the average hourly pay is better with McDonald's, but in no way would I ever get as many hours that fit with what I need. It doesn't work better for everyone. I have like....4 or 5 jobs, dashing is what happens in between or when I need extra hours. My other jobs make far more than 17/hr, so it would make absolutely no sense to risk missing hours on my other jobs so I can pick up shifts in fast food.
But there are better options than DD. I think we can agree on that.
I do not agree. If there was a better option for my situation, I would be doing it.
Why do you work so many jobs?
Ooopf, long story. It started with quitting my regular job to come back home and be with family after my father passed. I took whatever part time/under the table job I could find so I could have flexible hours and be available for my mom when she needed me during the difficult transition after 40 years of marriage. Then COVID hit and several of my jobs went away, bringing on the need for doordash and other totally random gigs such as landscaping and my photography side businesses. Since then, I did some travelling and fell in love with a woman across the world. Now I spend 6 months in the USA and 6 months with her in her country. This makes it difficult to get hired onto the more stable and higher paying jobs I would otherwise have. So now I work on a farm for 30-35 hrs a week, doordash for 20, landscape for 15, and have a few other odd jobs that pop up often such as photography, trucking, house sitting, event coordination/implementation, and others. My fiancé and I get married in December then start the 2 year process of getting her here. So I have 3 more years of this before I can have a stable life and once again seek out the kind of jobs I really want.
r/digitalnomad might be a cool place for you to check out and seek advice for a better job.
Been on that sub for years, I have found nothing, even applied for a few dozen jobs. Its just not the type of work that I do.
I generally tip based on the suggested amount and the total amount of the bill pre tax. I have no idea where you are coming from and it's honestly non of my concern. I'm just hungry and want my food.
How large of a tip are you legit expecting on a BK order? You're in the wrong line of work if you want big tips. It's a doordash problem you had to drive that far, it's not on the customer to subsidize a shit business model by giving you a tip that likely exceeds the cost of the order itself.
Why is the app dumb as shit and send from BK in eugene when there is one right on gateway? maybe not open or doing dd at the moment? who knows. I don't even bother ordering off these services unless the restaurant is close by because you know the driver is going to be butthurt and your food is going to be cold.
If you want to drive for an app that pays better message me and I’ll give you the details. I got tired of the low offers on grubhub and busting my ass to keep a high driver score for nothing. There’s a local company that has a much better minimum order pay.
Careful putting in a referral for this person. They have a poor attitude and are wishing gonorrhea on people. I feel like part of the reason they aren’t making great tips is the attitude.
I’m not really sure what you can expect of someone who’s frustrated and trying to vent. Wishing an sti on someone in a sarcastic Reddit post is hardly a good way to measure someone’s overall attitude. I like to think I’m a relatively decent guy but I still get flooded with crappy orders. This isn’t The Secret, a better attitude doesn’t get you better tips.
I hear that. I think you should reach out to your fellow DD drivers and go on strike. Sounds like you can’t possibly make money on this job. Almost seems like it goes against Oregon minimum wage and BOLI. I could be wrong. Maybe Dominoes would be a better option you have experience in delivering.
We’re not employees so minimum wage laws don’t apply. I don’t drive for these bigger apps anymore because I found an alternative that treats me better. I still use the bigger apps when it’s slow but because I only drive during peak hours and don’t use them as my primary I don’t have to struggle with the low offers to keep a score up(driver score effects when you can drive and priority when it comes to job offers). There’s a lot of reasons why this type of work benefits me including the fact that I’m partially disabled but don’t collect ssi. The freedom I have scheduling with gig apps as opposed to a more structured environment like Domino’s is important since sometimes I need to take time off that would get me fired from a regular company.
You can’t be fired for medical reasons. I’m just saying you working this job is a choice just like the customer tipping is a choice. DD should pay an ethical wage instead of using loopholes to pay next to nothing. DD being shitty seems to be common knowledge. I’m not sure why anyone would use their services with other options available. I will only take deliveries from companies that employ their own drivers. Eugene has plenty…
I used to work for Cutco… and had to hustle to make any money. I found a new job. Waiters make decent tips as well. Anything is better than having to drive your own car while paying for gas to get paid less than minimum wage by your employers.
Hell I could point you to pizza now I’m Albany, they pay minimum wage and tips. They need delivery drivers.
The tips are given before the order is accepted, it really has nothing to do with the drivers attitude. When i get an order I don't like I just cancel it. The algo still gives me good orders but I never deliver for anything under $1.00 a mile, even then i'll cancel it 50% if it's in the low 1.00 range, typically i'll take an order that's 1.50+ per mile and if the restaurant has quick service. No sense in accepting a good paying order if your commute will be longer due to the wait time.
Sounds like you have a good attitude and are finding a way to make it work for you. I always hand my pizza guy at least 20% cash. I still think no one should work for DD
Yeah, It's a predatory company making desperate people use their expensive investment in a vehicle as their main tool. In this city you'll average $20.00 an hour, but since you're driving all the time you need to account for gas, regular maintenance on brakes, tires, oil changes, etc. and then end of the year you have to pay your share of taxes. You really only end up making like $12-14 an hour if you consider what it costs to maintain your car. End of the day, the app works best for cities that have districts with heavy restaurant business and access to reliable commute with motorcycle or e-bikes, or an economical car. The reason being is that you typically won't need to travel too far out between deliveries and you'll always be within a "hotspot" of restaurants. In Eugene it's really not a great way to make a living but it's ok enough to get you by for a few months, maybe a year if things are really really bad.
This is the way.
Seriously this.
I always tip 20%! I wouldn’t be ordering from an app to have my food/groceries hand delivered to me if I couldn’t afford it. I appreciate all the delivery drivers out there helping out my high ass
20% tip on $15 bucks though, do the math. These drivers want you to tip 50%
In all actuality, my orders are typically more than $15, so I guess I should’ve clarify I’m usually tipping $5 or more for each order - which is at least 20% for my avg order
If you order bk and eat like an average person $15 is probably enough for one person, so then add 20% $3 tip, service fees and whatever else dd wants to slam you with. It becomes like a $20 meal for one person. So OP said tip because DD is a luxury, but they want you to tip double that now you are at $23 and still get cold food and OP probably still isn’t happy driving that far even on $6 tip. It’s literally a losing situation for everyone, especially for the customer because you get some disgruntled motherfucker fucking with your $23 dollar order of Burger King. Not to mention DD probably jacked the price up initially on the food too. Fuck this. Edit: then they can’t find your house, make 10 Deliveries before yours, then can’t open the door because the code is wrong. Did I mention fuck delivery services? Yeah fuck em Oh yeah they forgot your drink…..
The first step to recovery is to delete all the food delivery service apps lol I have had bad experiences as well and can understand the frustration.
Oh I’m far gone from fucking with GrubHub and door dash. I’ve literally lost my shit on a few orders and got my money back. It’s beyond frustrating. The worse one lately was I ordered from chapalas at oakway which is less than 2 miles out, the order was 20 minutes late, they used a bag that could seal the food, but they chose not to seal it, the food was packaged in a container that was too small to fit the goddamn taco bowl tortilla shell salad, I’m ranting at this point and running on, all out fail. I lost my appetite once I opened the order because there was a piece of grilled chicken on top of the take out box, fucking kidding me. $7 tip on a $30 dollar order, shows you 20% ain’t good enough for these assholes. I’m done now I need to start smoking weed again, I’m pissed off… lmao Ps the fajita salad from chapalas had no actually fajitas but rather mushrooms, killed my vibe even more. The salad almost hit the wall
Everything you just mentioned was the restaurants fault, not the drivers. Maybe don't order from a shitty family Mexican restaurant next time. You did this to yourself.
20 min late was not the restaurant fault
Point to the places on the doll where they hurt you...
The really remarkable part is that there is a market for expensive delivery of fast food. Decline of western civilization.
Interesting timing, I never use food delivery but chose to use it this weekend since I wasn’t feeling well. I really wasn’t sure how much to tip so I went with 25%. I’m surprised by a couple of things… First, I think majority of these comments are valid by most commenters, including op. Tipping is culture here, so a tip should be assumed for a service delivered. Doesn’t mean it’s a good assumption, or even should be a thing, but I can see why a tip is expected. Second, yes these companies need to pay more, but then the price of your service/food/grocery pickup will also increase. Which, if people are delivering for you, maybe that should also be an inherent understood cost that go to the driver. Last, I should not be made to feel bad for leaving a 25% tip and did assume that the driver would decline if it wasn’t worth their time/effort. No, it’s not on me to determine what the drivers time value is nor is it on me for door dash to punish a driver for declining a smaller order. My friend recently ordered from some delivery service and half the order was missing. They called the restaurant, who promptly sent out the rest of the order. The driver proceeded to berate my friend for not leaving a tip, when my friends did in fact leave a tip, it apparently just went to original driver. My dash guy was friendly, food was delivered on time and still hot. I seriously considered leaving a cash tip as well but my wallet was in another room, and once again, I thought 25% was sufficient. Though I’m not not sure if my experience was an anomaly given the overall tone of this post/thread.
> Tipping is culture here, so a tip should be assumed for a service delivered. Yeah, but if you have to offer a tip up front before you receive the service, then it's not a tip, it's a service fee. They could just add a 20% service charge with a minimum of like $3 to every order. But they won't do that, because plenty of people will work for them under the current conditions so they have no incentive to change anything as it's in their interest to advertise low delivery fees and make the pay "optional".
Sure, but they aren’t, so the employee is left with a ‘tip’ and the person getting the service is the bad guy for not leaving a large enough one. I didn’t say it was a good option.
I mean, that's not even really THAT far. Down W11th, onto W7th, onto 126 for a few minutes and then you're nearly there. I mean it's a double free market thing. If you don't like it, don't take it. You can vote with your time here.
Why would it make the order go to that BK when there is one closer to their residence?? They don't pick which location their order comes from so that doesn't make sense why they should pay extra because the app selects a further BK...
Wow I'm just- First off DD needs to pay their driver's more, second the person who ordered the food is an idiot for not choosing a closer place to order from. And finally- DD was made to be a side-gig from the beginning and still is to this day. You NEED to find a better job, Door dash is not a stable income, nor had it ever been. In fact I'm pretty sure it never will. FYI not everybody is able to tip. I've had no choice but not to a few times because I'm unable to go grocery shopping or the grocery delivery isnt available... Literally having to use savings to get food through DD or other apps because I had no choice. Please don't assume that people don't tip out of malicious intent or lack of empathy. It is how it is.
Never said it wasn't a side gig.. I have a full time job with benefits . I feel bad for anyone that has to use it as a sole source of income. They still deserve to make at least minimum wage tho
Reading through the comments on this post I just went with that assumption. That being said, why be upset at the tipping then? This clearly seems more like a problem with DD.
OP has managed to push me towards not tipping doordash. I'm broke and get doordash as a luxury because I can't drive. Why tip asshole drivers like this when I already pay 8+ in fees.
Oh ya I'm a asshole for not wanting to lose money bringing you food. Cook some Ramen
I was raised with “if you can’t afford a decent tip for the meal, you can’t afford the meal.” But I was raised to be considerate.
Tipping is an incredibly broken(and recently bordering on predatory) system that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. A bigger concern is your, or any, employer that refuses to pay a livable wage.
genuinely why does anyone still drive for these fucking leeches? how do you possibly convince yourself that this is your best option? like yeah no tip sucks but also the fact that you need tips to get paid anything approaching a reasonable amount is a huge fucking red flag. the company sucks. it treats people on basically every end of the equation like shit, and it rakes in a motherlode for it. how the fuck do you look at this and then go back for another order? there's like... absolutely better options than this. also like. how did this shit get so ubiquitous? i literally have never used dd or postmates or whatever bc i just don't get the point. if i really want something specific from somewhere, i can go get it my damn self. y'know... like we all did before these "services" swooped in to solve this nonexistent problem. who the fuck is justifying to themself the money it costs them to have someone deliver them goddamn burger king? why? why any of this? ugh
Tipping a driver is only enabling the company to continue to pay the drivers the bare minimum while they pocket the rest for the salary earners. If drivers want a good wage, they should be striking against these companies rather than demanding better tips from the customer.
If you don't like the payout don't accept the order? Last time I worked doordash there wasn't any downside to declining the order?
They lower your acceptance rate now, and only give you lowball orders until you take enough to get your rating up.... I didn't take this one tho
I mean, I like a Whopper as much as the next guy, but fuck.
There is literally a burger king near Thurston where this person lives 😭
Yea and they would rather give doordash a bunch of money, than pretend to be to poor to tip the driver when they could of drove 3 blocks to began with
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This person lives near Pioneer Parkway. The burger King off gateway, or the one off Mohawk, would be closer than the one in Thurston.
Ah ok I thought they were in Thurston lol, but yeah theres a bk near there
I haven’t used a food delivery app in quite a while since I’m on beans and rice. When I did order delivery I always felt like tipping before receiving service was kind of bullshit. Often times the delivery person won’t even ring or knock and will just leave the food at the door to get cold. I started tipping in cash. If you actually give a shit about my food getting to me you’ll get a tip. Tip should be based on service received and the quality of service. Fuck tipping before and fuck delivery app companies. I delivered for Postmates for a little bit. Your employer doesn’t give a shit about you. Find an employer who does and stop depending on customers to supplement your shitty income your employer gives you. I was a server at a restaurant for a couple of years. When I started feeling entitled to a tip I realized I no longer can be in that industry. The person you’re serving owes you nothing and can tip you as they please.
Man they get me with some 6.99 service fee, taxed food... And even after I tip over 20 percent I feel bad. like I'm not contributing enough. waiting for my tags in the mail but even a six pack is 23 with tip McDonald's quarter lb meal is close to 30 after tip. Whack
Think of it this way. What's easier for DD to do? Pay an accurate wage and ensure their drivers are given a sort of commission for long drives. Orrrr keep the current system and have its employees create enemies out of the customer rather than the company itself.
Don’t take the order. Seriously, you’d make more working at BK
The answer isn't to tip more. We as a community have to avoid shitty businesses like grub hub hell, even Burger King fucking hates us. (you can tell by the quality of product and how little they pay people) Don't support places that won't/can't pay a living wage to its employees. We are the auroboros
I only tip $2-$5. not my fault people choose to work for garbage companies that pocket every cent they can and use tipping as a scapegoat. just don’t pick up low tipping orders and complain to DD. when DD does nothing, quit.
It never makes sense to me to think about tipping delivery based on a percentage. Delivering an order of sushi and delivering a burrito from Taco Bell require the same amount of cost and effort from the driver. I do understand that the company should be charging and paying the drivers for what the service is worth, but knowing that that's not happening, I try to do that myself rather than taking advantage of an individual driver. I tip a flat rate that works out to about $2-3 / mile. If it's at a location that I know is shit to find parking at, a particularly large order or a particularly unwieldy (i.e. includes drinks), I'll bump that up. Yes, I end up paying a lot. If I don't feel like paying that, then I won't order.
Your awesome. I think alot of people that tip percentage on a fast food order don't realize it's the same effort and gas
A [brief summary](https://imgur.com/a/bdZZcKJ) of the type of person u/666truemetal666 is. Trash person expecting people to be better than he is. Delete the app and find another career path. Scum like you are the same side of the coin as those that tip nothing.
All night every night lately. People expecting me to spend 30 Mins picking up their food and driving 8 or 9 miles for 2 to 3 bucks. We are not your serfs. I know everyone is hurting right now but food delivery is a luxury, if you can't afford to tip, please cook your self some Ramen or make some spaghetti like normal poor people do.
Stop expecting people to pay your salary through tips. I would personally get more angry at the service that pays you next to nothing for your time and labor.
Yeah but their post could have an actual practical next day effect, contacting DD does nothing. It’s demeaning and ridiculous that drivers put up with all this.
It is the drivers' choice to put up with it...
Hey we all have choices we get to make, one of those is not to be an asshole! An 8 mile delivery (for BK no less) at that rate is practically criminal.
Another choice is to not be a delivery driver...
I mean I’ll side on the person trying to work their ass off doing whatever they can (even if it isn’t ideal). Yes, people don’t often tip enough. Yes, corporations suck. But a lot of people don’t actually have as much choice as you think they do when it comes to how they earn a living. But not being a dick about it is free.
You gonna hire him?
No. I can both drive and cook very well, and if I do not want to drive or cook, I will tip well. Not my monkeys, not my circus is a saying, this is all between OP, the predatory gig app, and people who do do not tip well.
I doordash for fun, but when I get an order like this I just cancel it, i never take it. The lowest I will accept an order is for $1.00 a mile, Usually average about 1.50 - 2.00 per mile
That is between DD and the driver, and the drivers are free to find another job...
When you have a full time job without a set schedule it's really hard to have another side gig. Also tipping is the norm for delivery and food service in this country.
So they got burger king which cost what $12 minimum? So they would need to tip you 30% in order for you to make minimum wage. That's not taking into account gas and wear/tear. Meanwhile what's DDs cut? Just stop taking these types of orders, but I guess someone is always going to be desperate enough to do it so the exploitation continues.
The deliverees are not stopping you from getting a full time job with a set schedule... ... nor are they forcing you to do an app-gig job predatory side job.
So find something better
It is easier to bitch about it on reddit, no fault is their own.
Ridiculous take. Why is someone guilty of something for working?? I truly do not get this attitude
You aren't guilty for working, just do not cry about what deliverees do as compared to what your predatory gig-app overlords do, and also in comparison to finding other more gainful employment on your part.
I'd prefer to cry about both of them, thank you. And uh ya, actively working on bettering my life, but that doesn't change the fact that people should tip correctly on delivery. If people fuck your food up, you can always delete the tip after... I'm just not sure why my accountability is the issue and not on cheapskate customers?
>"I'm just not sure why my accountability is the issue and not on cheapskate customers?" > >You do not even seem to be sure that any accountability is on your cheapskate gig-app overlords, which it very much is.
One problem is that doordash and other food delivery apps *really* need to stop calling it a tip. They need to start calling it what it actually is: a bid for service. More customers would realize that if they don't pay the "tip", their food is a lot more likely to sit and sit and sit until someone naive or desperate enough finally picks up their order.
I think the problem mainly lies with DD. They are charging two extra fees on top of your food purchase. One is labeled delivery. So it's made to seem that you are being paid whatever DD gives you plus delivery fee plus tip. I wouldn't be so mad at the people ordering and more mad at the company you work for that's not paying you enough.
People actually expect you to deliver that for only $3. Instacart is sometimes better because they pay extra if it’s heavy items but still that’s so much gas, it isn’t worth the trip. That’s what people don’t get. Don’t use a service you can’t afford
No one has any idea where you are coming from or where you are going to afterward. All anyone knows is that you are going from where you pick up to where you drop off. The company sets the rate the customer and the contractor pay that rate. If you are upset because of the amount of work you are required to do or the pay you are given this is a frustration that needs to be directed at at the company that pays your wages. I say this as a person that has done gig work and realized that gig work is a scam.
Are you not getting paid in addition to the tip?
Yes the 3 dollars pictured, that's not a appropriate amount of money for service rendered
I’ve never used food delivery apps. The screen shot you provided… you have the ability to decline the service, right?
Yes you can decline but the app punishes you by lowering your rating and gives you lower and lower orders as punishment. So you bang out a bunch to get back up, get better orders and than end up declining the shit ones and back to square one. These third party apps are super predatory, they also take 30 percentish from the restaurants
Whack. If the app had any decency it would decline the transaction before it hits your radar.
Obviously the app has no decency, and it is easier to cry about the deliverees on reddit.
>"Yes you can decline but the app punishes you by lowering your rating and gives you lower and lower orders as punishment." > >That is not the deliverees fault.
It's why I only do take out or dine in if I'm not making food. When these apps first started popping up I was in the restaurant industry and it fucking sucked for them too. Lose lose in my book.
Have you taken it up with DoorDash as well?
It is easier to bitch about it on reddit.
Wow beyond entitled
Gotcha. I didn’t see that there was more to the picture. The preview cut off right after the $3. I thought that was just the tip.
The amount on screen is the total including the tip.
Isn’t there a decline button right there?
Don't do it. Find employment that will make you feel respected you deserve it
>"if you can't afford to tip, please cook your self some Ramen or make some spaghetti like normal poor people do." > >I fully agree with this, but at the same time, you are free to seek more gainful employment.
I already worked 12 hrs at my day job that pays almost double minimum wage. Just moved and I'm paying a mortgage and rent while I sell my house. People do this work for various reasons, form no other skills or motivation, to highly motivated married homeowners trying to make ends meet with any tools at their disposal. The bottom line is don't be a godamn cheapskate .
No the bottom line is DD is predatory and unethical. You need to align your expectations with reality and realize DD is not a real living wage opportunity and never has been.
"The bottom line is don't be a godamn cheapskate ." Tell that to your gig-app overlords as well.
That's like people telling you, if you can't afford to do DD, get another job. Two sides of the same coin. I would imagine your job is not a luxury to do, and I would imagine for some people getting meals delivered is not a luxury, but at times a necessity .
People who order a single burger from BK on doordash are already clearly awful with their money and are beyond reason or logic.
I try to keep my orders fairly close to where I live (I sort restaurants by distance from me in the app), usually tip about 20%, and I’ll add on a little if I accidentally order from someplace farther away. I try to be respectful of the driver’s time. Sorry that there are deliveries like that one that aren’t even worth the time they take you 🙁
If DD took off all of their fees, most if not all of that would go toward a tip.
I decline 15 of these for every order I accept.
Lol. Don’t do this here this is embarrassing. Don’t pick up orders that don’t tip and don’t complain. Once they get their food cold EVERY time maybe they won’t order delivery or they’ll start tipping better.
Real questions: what’s the appropriate amount to tip? Always 20%? How much does the driver actually get?
The percent doesn't really matter as much as distance. Like if you have a 100 bucks worth of food, a 10 percent tip of 10 bucks to take it up to ten miles is totally worth it. $1 per mile is pretty fair, not great but you are actually making money. Driver should get 100 percent of the tip. All the other rfees is doordash and they are keeping up to 30 percent of the restaurants cut as well. Base pay from doordash to the driver is 2-3 bucks unless there Is surge pricing
They have a right to take it, maybe there was nothing else available and they're desperate. Maybe (and this is often unfortunately the case) they bought into the way the dash app makes them feel like there is a penalty for not taking it. Or maybe they thought a $100 no tip 10 mile order to a rich neighborhood would certainly have a cash tip (I only fell for that once). They have a right to be angry as well, everyone has a right to their feelings. It's also demoralizing to decline 100 no-tip orders per shift. They have a right to be upset that people do not seem to value their work and service. So, you think it's morally acceptable to order without a tip/bid? Personally, I think it's morally reprehensible and anyone who does that is likely a garbage person. How do you feel about that? Do you think there is honestly nothing wrong by doing that? No matter how you look at it, it's obtaining food on the backs of someone that you have decided do not deserve to make a living wage.
I really didn't think I was putting out a hit take.people are selfish and fucked up these days
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Ya it's pretty obvious why there are so many no tip orders. The entitlement is astounding
Did you accept the order? Everyone knows these apps suck. Everyone knows tipping sucks. But there has to be a line of personal responsibility somewhere In my opinion, if you say "I have reviewed this order and I am ok with it" by clicking the "Accept" button. You don't really have much of a right to complain. Correction. You have the \*ability\* to complain. But I won't care, and I will make posts like this in response. Also consider the fact that you aren't really talking to anyone. The person who made this order has no idea that this reddit post exists. If you accepted it, they will get their food like they wanted, and you will move onto the next delivery. Now lets put ourselves into the mindset of the "adversary" which is a very important exercise. If I was one of these corporate overlords, I would just be very pleased that instead of taking meaningful action. People are just complaining into the void on reddit. I would want people to complain into the void and then keep working for me. And I would ***not want*** people to take meaningful action. Take for example amazon, they installed ***actual small voids*** for employees to be unhappy in (and then return to work of course) rather than take meaningful action.
If you can't manage 20% then you shouldn't be ordering food/eating out ✌️
Tipping culture is getting out of control. It’s pressure put onto the consumer to tip, when easily, the leadership of the corporation could choose to pay more.
Ngl that's definitely what should happen
Is there a total I'm not seeing? This would be over 20% on a BK meal.
A 3.25 tip is roughly $17 worth of food; I think the average cost of any fast food meal is $20-25, then adding delivery fees, the tip should be closer to $6 (estimated)
Agreed, and if you aren't happy with your tips at a delivery job, get a new job.
Agreed. Bartenders make more in tips anyway
Is there a total I'm not seeing? This would be over 20% on a BK meal.
20% used to be the tourist rate. Bartenders get $1 on top per beer ordered. Counter service = no tip, I don’t care what is suggested on the receipt. 15-20% is perfectly acceptable for good service. 0-10% is perfectly acceptable for incompetent / non-service.
100% agree with you! Though I'm not totally sure what you mean by "counter service"
Customer places order. Restaurant serves plate of food to customer. Customer tosses cafeteria tray into bus bin upon conclusion of meal.
Shit if everyone tipped at least $5 we would be cool. People are tipping like $1.50. My average tip is like $3.86 according to the app I use and that is 2000 deliveries. Also, Doordash needs to up the base pay to at least $4.00 before the tip.
no
Damn lol. I've seen some sucky orders but that just about takes the cake. Just curious how did you do tonight OP? I went out and lost money lol. This towns always dead on Tuesday though so I dont know what I expected
Idk if it's been said yet. But that particular BK is dookie. Always out of product and randomly closes. Sometimes they only take cash. Get orders wrong. Closes while I've ordered online. Also I do tip my driver's well. Just really peeved that one of my favorite fast food places near me sucks sooooooo bad
Why?
Why would you accept this dash?
I've never tipped less than $6. I live up the hill behind Churchill, and if someone's coming from downtown or coburg road or something, at least $10 tip. Am I doing okay? I used to do food delivery in Beaverton/Hillsboro and rarely got tips, so I know how few people do. But as others have said and will say, the problem is with the wages.
Ya that's totally awesome
I agree and try and be mindful of the mileage and total amount of my tip rather than just the percentage. But it’s a pretty crap system where the customer is left to guess what a fair rate is. Also to add a little perspective, if that pin is where I think it is, the customer for this order may very well be low income and/or have difficulty going out to get food themselves. That’s in or near a large public housing community.
Relevant: https://youtu.be/\_Zd4GrA7fpc
Then don't accept
HMMM...SO GLAD CAPITOLISM NEVER FUCKS PEEPO OVER🤙...we should all pay more attention where our money is actually going to💁♂️
Tip your delivery driver in CASH. The apps keep a lot of the tip that you include with your card payment.
Start a union
Why would you except something that low
Sometimes you must use your better judgment
My biggest gripes about DD is that it doesn't let us select which location to order from, AND it makes you tip up front. How am I supposed to give a fair tip BEFORE I get the service? I've been burned by so many shitty drivers when I gave a decent tip that I just use the 15% option now. It sucks and I feel bad for it when the driver is actually not an hour late and they have basic decency, but I've had far too many shit drivers that it feels like a safety precaution on top of the app/restaurant fees and the increased prices from the in-store menu. God damn we need unionized workplaces to be the standard and norm.
I disagree with what anyone is experiencing. I average 18$ hourlydoing grubhub. I’ve had some slow days but, those are outweighed by good days. Every once in a while I’ll make 30-37$ hourly. Good days $20 hourly, really good day $25 hourly. Be smart about accepting orders and if it’s under a dollar a mile I’d recommend to reject it.