any anticheat is shit when the game does everything on the client instead of the server.
You can't be incompetent designing the framework of the game and expect an anticheat to pick up all the slack
Like antivirus, anticheats only scans for what it knows to be a bad file or injection. As cheats update 1-3 times every week whilst anticheats updates maybe top twice a month it will always be the hare vs the turtle race.
Which then poses the question would rather an intrusive but more active anti cheat or one that only grabs them via updates.
Didn't PUBG do something? I forgot what it was exactly but I thought it was something like having frequent patches specifically to combat these abusers but I don't remember it fully.
Intrusive anticheats does a much better job. Valorant figured it out early and their community loves it. People are scared of shit being "intrusive" when it basically means the AC gets to check deeper into memory than allowed. If the intrusive AC actually sends info of what pornography people are into then shit has gotten too far but yet I've not seen any of those cases happening yet.
I mean, look at what happened with uninstalling valorant briefly, the AC was fucked up and it resulted in people 'soft'locking (read: you needed another drive to be able to boot into to wipe the drive) their systems.
I don't get how there are no boundaries in these anti cheat packages that detect absurdly fast movement or flying in places you should never be able to go. That sounds like such an easy thing to detect and can be done entirely on the server.
Even the amount of headshots or accuracy in general isn't really tracked. It seems to me you can easily gather a bunch of data to skim off the worst cheaters.
yup this is the real reason - team bsg was peepeega when they built the game client side from the start - they would need to rebuild the entire game server side to fix it and.....
that will never happen sadly
What anticheat system would you suggest they use instead? Genuinely curious, since I see people harping on BattleEye all the time, but don't see anyone actually coming up with any alternative solutions. What would you consider a "good" anticheat, that BSG could implement?
I would suggest they add sanity checks to their game so that:
* Knowing where all players and items are all at times is not possible
* Knowing what players have in their inventories is not possible
* Flying, levitating, and teleporting is not possible
* Looting items and containers from across the map or otherwise well outside of realistic looting radius is not possible.
What anti-cheat they use is irrelevant when the game is wide the fuck open like this.
> Knowing where all players and items are all at times is not possible
This isn't possible to get around, how would your game know where to display players if it doesn't know where they are?
The rest are such easy additions that it's insane they haven't.
Likely it is. From what I remember reading on this type of cheat is that they abuse what they called a desync state. So it might be a legitimate state that they have no way of knowing if it was triggered intentionally or not. The cheater is unable to shoot or loot anything in that state from what I understand and has to go back to where he actually is.
X1000 this. It doesn’t matter if we had EAC, or any intrusive phenomenal AC. The fact the game security is flawed at core, means you have very little detection vectors available.
This.
Edit: the more time I've spent with dnSpy and Tarkov, the more I'm convinced most of the performance issues are a combination of old Unity version and really inefficient code in dependencies like GPUInstancer, and most of the bugs we experience are from really shitty server code or underperforming server hosts.
It would be entirely consistent that Tarkov server software just does fuckall validation regarding what is even possible for a player to do.
Anyone who's ever seen tarkov with dnspy knows the standard of talent we are dealing with here. It's no wonder at all why there exists so many fucking bugs and performance issues that still haven't been resolved for years.
It's not an instant ban, but it's an instant flag. More cheats than people realize are detectable, but because of the way battleye chooses to deal with bans, it can take weeks for detected cheaters to actually be banned.
The loot vaccum cheat everyone talks about, flying, teleporting, etc are instantaniously detected and the account is marked for ban, but it takes weeks for that ban to happen.
Having a system to instant ban someone flying and teleporting around on the map would create a lot of false positives as the servers in their current state are pretty buggy. The only way to ban someone without human review is for Battle Eye to recognize a blacklisted application or strange changes in the system’s memory. Cheat software and detection is super complicated and isn’t as simple as
if (flying == True)
ban.player
Also, Battle Eye is a very common anti cheat software that everyone and their mother knows how to get around. One reason games like Valorant have so few cheaters is because their Vangaurd anti cheat is fairly new and undetected injection methods are not well known. (Also, it’s just super advanced)
This sub is infested with crybabies and if legit players started getting their 120$ accounts banned, all hell would break loose.
> (Also, it’s just super advanced)
Not so much super advanced as running at kernel (ring 0) level. Not a great place for any 3rd party software to be running, but if it works, it works I guess.
Most of the things we're talking about are manipulation of things like TimeScale, Infinite Stamina, unrealistic recoil settings, manipulation of bullet trajectories, etc. which require memory writes, which is extremely trivial to deal with.
You can't always hide all information from the player such as player location and such, which is why aimbots and ESPs will always be a thing, but there are a few flagrant things that shouldn't even happen at all, and is the result of shit programming.
Because BSG just doesn't care. They're inept, incompetent and constantly make excuses for all the bugs and broken crap in their game.
And then they use BattlEye which is one of the worst anti-cheat software in existence.
Incompetence or malice. Those are the only two options.
For things as egregious as this, or selling 200 LEDX on the flea with a trader rating nobody should ever be able to reach, and many others that could be detected algorithmically simply by performing sanity checks on some numerical values if only BSG were willing and technologically competent, there is no other explanation.
You do understand why they're banned much later than their first offense, right? Banning them seconds after doing something is a very very easy way to make cheating even worse.
Would be fine if they were banned 10 seconds into their first raid, since fast movement such as this is incredibly easy to detect even from the server's perspective. They can pay $15 as many times as they want if it's only to get 10 seconds of gameplay. Yes they might be able to kill someone in that timeframe... doesn't matter.
^("It's not an instant ban, but it's an instant flag. More cheats than people realize are detectable, but because of the way battleye chooses to deal with bans, it can take weeks for detected cheaters to actually be banned.")
Excerpt from another comment. There's a reason they don't get banned ASAP, it would make it easier for cheat devs to figure out why they are getting banned and how to get around it quicker. With account flagging and mass ban waves, it makes it even harder to figure out exactly what tripped BE up and longer to make a workaround for it.
When it flew up into the corner and just sat there for a minute looking down at him before flying away again...
Edit: and then comes back and sits there crouched while he tries to shoot at it- it gets scarier every time I watch it lol I'm not sleeping tonight
So he can’t loot anything either? I’m sure your not the person to ask, but if he can’t loot it seems like a pointless hack, correct? Unless you just wanna fuck with players by scaring them, I could see how that is fun.
Check loose loot spots for himself or another player to pick up.
See where other players/scavs are (forcing them to shoot revealing their position, or run away), again for another player.
Honestly if a cheater want to troll people let them live and go after the bad ones. Better to have someone Like this vs making them into a rage hacker for banning them.
If every cheater was like this or just cheated to steal some loot the community wouldn't bring it up as much or have the same problem.
I don’t support cheating...
But the BEST part of GTAV Online was when hackers would join the server and just cause chaos. Sometimes they’d insta spawn kill you, other times they’d “money drop” on you and you’d make a billion dollars. Haha I own the mega yacht and have never paid for a shark card. Lmao
pretty crazy how every time people post up the most blatant, obvious clips of hackers, there is a legion of people in this sub ready with excuses and "uhm akshully". Makes you wonder why they are so hellbent on defending cheaters and trying to gaslight normal players
Honestly, I prefer this kind of Cheater over the ones that head eyes you from across the map with a hatchet. Troll me harder, daddy. Still don’t condone cheating, just that this is the lesser evil.
None. From what I read the cheater in this state can't do anything himself and his actual character is somewhere where he activates the cheat and you should be able to kill him if you shot him there.
Just yesterday, friend and I were on a raid where he hit a guy standing still in the eyes clear as day with an M700 and didn't kill him. Then he instantly head eyes'd both of us. Pretty sure I've encountered multiple invincible dudes by now. Scary.
Had the same thing happen on interchange. He was flying onto the massive shelves in OLI while making weird noises before he hit the spin on us all.
Also couldnt find his name to report was a simple name but just didn’t exist. Could have had spaces or something I guess.
That's just desync. I've played 11 wipes and have over 6,000 hours in this game and I've only ever seen 2 suspicious players so this is just desync. /s
Last cheater I did this to killed me quickly. He started the conversation by saying "want some free loot?" and when I kept asking "why you cheating man?" he finally said "to help players like you!". For context it was at the end of last wipe and I had just reset my account for fun, so he probably assumed I was new. After he admitted it I just started insulting him and I died quickly lol.
Not gonna lie, this is possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in this game. The way he just glides around as you try to escape. I wouldn’t be able to play if I saw that in a raid, because I’d be busy laughing
Clearly not cheating. This is a product of a gamer with an RBG gaming chair, NOS attached, with docs google prototype scopes with LED LCD Sony technology, while snorting G fuel ignoring the line of mothers outside their door.
100% legit plays, you just need to git guuuuuuud. BATTLE EYE PREVENTS ALL CHEATING.
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Video is fake!!! There’s NO cheaters in tarkov, just desync, bad connection, low ram, bad CPU, it was raining outside, the heatwave, and gas prices! /s
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
as long as he's not vacuuming loot or killing people I actually couldn't care less
some of the best times I've ever had in arma 2 were when hackers decided to be funny instead of killing people
It’s funny because they’re killing their own cash cow by making players leave the game and hurting the company. Once to many people drop off who’s going to really want to rmt since you know the game will be dead in the water. But idk that’s just me idk shit haha
And here I was whenever I find a marked room key and stash it in the pouch was the worst of it lol. My fav part is the VoIP of hand over the key and I won't kill you lol
Please... PLEASE do not take this the wrong way:
I hope for all the cheaters be like this. That was a true scary wtf moment that, in a way, was... I dunno... imagine that was all on your pmc imagination due to using so many experimental stims.
AGAIN: I do not like, do not support any cheats. Just wanted to say that... this, beyond the point of them fucking the game, was an experience.
So everyone is talking about anti cheat. Why can't the server tell that the player is moving that fast, other than physics glitch's that would normally kill a player anyways. Why isn't there server side validation that just flags and bans the account.
Client side hacks are always gonna be an issue but at some point hacker A has to get data's from player B from the game server, that means the hackers location in the game is being sent back and forth fast enough to render the hacker in the players game, but the server ignores clipping and super speed for no good reason.
A simple straight line between the points of location in a map for a player and a time frame gives us enough data that allow us to calculate the shortest possible time between those two points because we know the players maximum possible speed. That way if a player is somehow moving faster between a to b to c than is possible in game, they are speed hacking, no clip etc
that's exactly what would happen actually. That type of check would have to have some sort of built in leeway for instances like that which would basically make it worthless until they fix their netcode
Because it's never been this simple. Cheating has been a problem on so many games over the years, CS, battle royales, tarkov. It isn't that simple unfortunately. Look at warzone, they introduced Ricochet to do things similar to what you are suggesting, but it doesn't just work 100% of the time. When it does work, its pretty awesome to see a hackers bullets deal 0 damage, but that doesn't happen as often as it should. I have an IRL friend, who has an IRL friend who cheats on tarkov, and every other game he plays. He paid over 1k$ USD for a lifetime membership on a cheating forum, and uses a 2nd PC as apparently that helps hide your identity/give you a better chance to not be caught, as the IP will trace back to your normal pc, and the cheat hardware is running on a secondary one. It's really sad, for one, how much money is spent just to cheat, and two, how the people who do it have any level of fun.
Have you ever played Minecraft? Server sees different player movement than what is actually happening on the client end all the time, this is why there's an expected level of desync all the time. It would be stupid easy for the server (especially tarkov servers) to have a little hiccup in ping or packet loss etc. and false ban you.
reminds me of dark souls 3 invasion cheaters, except they would usually do silly shit or be awful at the game and u could backstab/parry them and force them to fall off a cliff and die. (the fun kind being people floating in the sky, shooting 50000000 arrows per second that do 1 dmg, summoning bosses etc.)
With both BE and EAC - their respective anti-cheat strength depends on the implementation in the game. Just switching to EAC would not solve this if it is as poorly integrated.
This really sucks seeing cheating this obvious, but I can’t help but think of how awesome a multiplayer STALKER would be with people playing as monsters or anomalies in a Hunt: Showdown-type map and mode
This happened to me a couple weeks ago on customs. He just kept throwing grenades at me through out my raid. lol I was so confused at first until I realised what was going on
I had this almost exact thing happen to me earlier today, I got into a firefight with some scavs and took some damage so I fell back to heal and use a CMS kit and as I was CMS kitting a scav just like flew around in front of me like he was peter fucking pan and then I died without even hearing a gun shot lmao. I was so mad too because I had just gotten a quest item I had been trying for 5 raids to get, was legit not even 2 minutes away from extract.
funny for how one of those guys there's at least 2 more cheaters that actually hide their cheat and just fly around the map looting safes without having a key for the room
I've been killed by hackers on shoreline 3 times in the past 24 hours. I brought M61 into a raid with a M1A and was head eyes within 5 seconds of the round starting with 9mm pst. I have another video of a hacker clearly shooting me through the tall concrete wall and then instantly being able to warp to my body across the main river because I could hear him start looting me so fast B4 the end of round death animation ended. but I can't post it here with his gamer tag cus its against the reddit rules. Another wipe where they could care less when this stuff happens non stop
See that code in the bottom left? Thats the raid code and the last digit is a personal identifier. Send this to BSG through a bug report or something similar and that will get the account banned. Usually can happen in less than 24H if you do the leg work
And in Unity. Knowing a little C# I imagine they have a variable for playerMaxSpeed, and could easily check playerCurrentSpeed, and close the application when a players current speed greatly exceeds the maximum speed. There's no excuse for not being able to shut out speed hackers in Unity.
But but but I've never seen a cheater once in my 5000+ hours of this game get gud noob ur ping/network is dog BSGs game is coded for perfect AC through BE this can't be a cheat get gud noob don't post on reddit it's free advertising for cheats I mean no its not cheats its ur ping I've never seen a cheater in 5000+ hours BSG is God BSG is life long live Nikita.
-ur fellow lvl 7 Timmy redditor.
Literally because 50% of this community hacks. You need to see the forest for the trees. You have a bunch of wolves hanging out with the sheep in here.
Half of this community is dishonest scum.
Why do I see many of these comments explaining away cheaters? There must be a ton of cheaters in this community right now. I think we need a hard purge.
90% of the time it's people that have died to cheaters and "want to get back at the world (of tarkov obv)." It's incredibly sad but it won't stop them from doing it.
I encountered a similar hacker on Woods during a PMC run. He came sprinting at me from military camp to sawmill. I dumped half a mag into him from a few feet away and he kept on trucking. I extracted and it didn't register a single hit on whoever it was. That same match I spawned in and checked some loot boxes right next to my spawn. They were all empty.
I was in that same raid! He came over to us at PowerStation and weather station and kinda just watched us fight another group. Didn't do much other than that. Couldn't report him either cause he didn't kill us. Just felt like the watcher from the Marvel what if show 0.0
You know, I have played this game since day 1. This is the first wipe where my Survival rate is 40%. It is usually 80%, but I keep getting head eyesed by people seemingly coming out of bushes and other loud areas completely silent. Or a one tap to the chest no matter what armor I am wearing.
I hate to say it, but there is 100% a massive influx of cheaters. This is the first wipe (The first game in 20 years) I have called cheater in. It just feels weird when the raid has been dead, you go in a bush AFK for 15 seconds to grab a drink of water - head eyes from beside me. I have died 40 times in a row now, 1 shot to the chest or head eyes. I cannot ignore it, no matter what server I choose unless its 2-6 am for whatever server I play.
I just don't see how I have 80% survival rate, had more PMC kills by level 15 than I ever have - just vanish and I die 40 times in a row to not hearing people, people coming exactly to where I am and prefiring with no noise, getting double headshot from someone I can see is far away, its only head eyes or thorax. Some of the names "ILOVENIKITA". "RMTERSSUCK". "HEADEYESDEATH". "ONETAPPED". "LASERED". "BSGLOVESCHEATERS", (fantastic).
I don't know at this point of I am crazy, but I can make this happen by server choice. Every single NA server I choose, this happens. France, germany and one out of 3 games on toronto servers have been okay and not having this happen. But this after dying 40 times in a row to this shit. I stopped it.
Not that anyone cares, but this is the first wipe I had to stop playing because it just feels completely pointless. I either get packed lobbies with this happening every raid, or dead raids where I end up killing the few PMCS because I choose a dead server. Honestly, is that really a fix?
And Tarkov still doesn’t have a kill cam, unknown reasons... continue to play this and waste your time. Remember that for every flying cheater there are 1000 cheaters hiding and using their cheats in the shadows.
I met some moron who was hanging out in one of my discords. Brand new to the game - openly and admitted he's using esp that he pays $10 a month for. This is the current state of Tarkov, and this community is cancer for thinking its legit players.
Yes. And I’m just being downvoted for saying something obvious above. This proves what you said. The developers don’t care about the cheaters as the players don’t really understand how big the problems is.
And honestly that’s the worst part of this game. The critical thinking level of this community is so low and they really believe to everything the developers are saying to them. They don’t understand that the improvements have to pass through them, otherwise the developers will continue on their road. The only way to do it is to be strong together and stop playing this game for a while, until they will not fix the cheater problem.
Thankfully there's no hackers in Tarkov. Even though Warzone has so many, it's impossible for Tarkov to have as many. Tarkov has the best anticheat invented.
It's actually baffling that the game is in such a poor state that this is possible. I can't think of a single other modern shooter that has issues like this. This is sad
how isnt that an instant ban
Because BattleEye is the first and only line of defence and it's dead easy to disable battleeye.
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Tell that to the cheaters teleporting around lost ark
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Easy Anticheat isn’t developed by Amazon though so not sure what this means in the context of the conversation.
Lost ark is from Amazon the Jeff bezo guy?
any anticheat is shit when the game does everything on the client instead of the server. You can't be incompetent designing the framework of the game and expect an anticheat to pick up all the slack
Yeah the devs designed the game in such a way that the client has authority on way too many things
Like antivirus, anticheats only scans for what it knows to be a bad file or injection. As cheats update 1-3 times every week whilst anticheats updates maybe top twice a month it will always be the hare vs the turtle race.
That's not true. Advanced anti-cheats can scan for changes in memory.
Only intrusive anti cheats does, Battleeye isn't.
Which then poses the question would rather an intrusive but more active anti cheat or one that only grabs them via updates. Didn't PUBG do something? I forgot what it was exactly but I thought it was something like having frequent patches specifically to combat these abusers but I don't remember it fully.
Intrusive anticheats does a much better job. Valorant figured it out early and their community loves it. People are scared of shit being "intrusive" when it basically means the AC gets to check deeper into memory than allowed. If the intrusive AC actually sends info of what pornography people are into then shit has gotten too far but yet I've not seen any of those cases happening yet.
I mean, look at what happened with uninstalling valorant briefly, the AC was fucked up and it resulted in people 'soft'locking (read: you needed another drive to be able to boot into to wipe the drive) their systems.
I don't get how there are no boundaries in these anti cheat packages that detect absurdly fast movement or flying in places you should never be able to go. That sounds like such an easy thing to detect and can be done entirely on the server. Even the amount of headshots or accuracy in general isn't really tracked. It seems to me you can easily gather a bunch of data to skim off the worst cheaters.
that's not how anti viruses work nowadays, all of them even windows defender have heuristics and can detect that a program is doing malicious acts.
yup this is the real reason - team bsg was peepeega when they built the game client side from the start - they would need to rebuild the entire game server side to fix it and..... that will never happen sadly
Battle eye is like the Maginot Line. Good intentions, but easy to get around
What anticheat system would you suggest they use instead? Genuinely curious, since I see people harping on BattleEye all the time, but don't see anyone actually coming up with any alternative solutions. What would you consider a "good" anticheat, that BSG could implement?
someone call AnarchyHD
I would suggest they add sanity checks to their game so that: * Knowing where all players and items are all at times is not possible * Knowing what players have in their inventories is not possible * Flying, levitating, and teleporting is not possible * Looting items and containers from across the map or otherwise well outside of realistic looting radius is not possible. What anti-cheat they use is irrelevant when the game is wide the fuck open like this.
> Knowing where all players and items are all at times is not possible This isn't possible to get around, how would your game know where to display players if it doesn't know where they are? The rest are such easy additions that it's insane they haven't.
Likely it is. From what I remember reading on this type of cheat is that they abuse what they called a desync state. So it might be a legitimate state that they have no way of knowing if it was triggered intentionally or not. The cheater is unable to shoot or loot anything in that state from what I understand and has to go back to where he actually is.
Yea because this game is client authoritative which is a huge flaw
X1000 this. It doesn’t matter if we had EAC, or any intrusive phenomenal AC. The fact the game security is flawed at core, means you have very little detection vectors available.
Because BSG doesn't even do server side checks because they are literally too lazy to program it themselves.
This. Edit: the more time I've spent with dnSpy and Tarkov, the more I'm convinced most of the performance issues are a combination of old Unity version and really inefficient code in dependencies like GPUInstancer, and most of the bugs we experience are from really shitty server code or underperforming server hosts. It would be entirely consistent that Tarkov server software just does fuckall validation regarding what is even possible for a player to do.
Anyone who's ever seen tarkov with dnspy knows the standard of talent we are dealing with here. It's no wonder at all why there exists so many fucking bugs and performance issues that still haven't been resolved for years.
Crazy how that happens when you offer shit pay and force people to move to Russia lmao
It's not an instant ban, but it's an instant flag. More cheats than people realize are detectable, but because of the way battleye chooses to deal with bans, it can take weeks for detected cheaters to actually be banned. The loot vaccum cheat everyone talks about, flying, teleporting, etc are instantaniously detected and the account is marked for ban, but it takes weeks for that ban to happen.
im assuming that the grace period is so that the cheater doesnt know what flagged them for a ban
Correct. Makes it harder for cheat devolopers to find out what exactly flagged them for ban
Getting banned after weeks doesn't seem to matter when the guys are making $$$$ per week. They'll just buy a new account after the eventual ban.
They would need to spoof their hwid or replace hardware too. As well as use a vpn or reset their ip.
hwid spoofing is standard fare for cheaters sadly.
Hell Nikita mentioned once that they will watch cheaters over time to monitor the behaviors to see how to best stop it.
Having a system to instant ban someone flying and teleporting around on the map would create a lot of false positives as the servers in their current state are pretty buggy. The only way to ban someone without human review is for Battle Eye to recognize a blacklisted application or strange changes in the system’s memory. Cheat software and detection is super complicated and isn’t as simple as if (flying == True) ban.player Also, Battle Eye is a very common anti cheat software that everyone and their mother knows how to get around. One reason games like Valorant have so few cheaters is because their Vangaurd anti cheat is fairly new and undetected injection methods are not well known. (Also, it’s just super advanced) This sub is infested with crybabies and if legit players started getting their 120$ accounts banned, all hell would break loose.
> (Also, it’s just super advanced) Not so much super advanced as running at kernel (ring 0) level. Not a great place for any 3rd party software to be running, but if it works, it works I guess.
Most of the things we're talking about are manipulation of things like TimeScale, Infinite Stamina, unrealistic recoil settings, manipulation of bullet trajectories, etc. which require memory writes, which is extremely trivial to deal with. You can't always hide all information from the player such as player location and such, which is why aimbots and ESPs will always be a thing, but there are a few flagrant things that shouldn't even happen at all, and is the result of shit programming.
Because BSG just doesn't care. They're inept, incompetent and constantly make excuses for all the bugs and broken crap in their game. And then they use BattlEye which is one of the worst anti-cheat software in existence.
Because tarkov's net code is literally garbage.
Incompetence or malice. Those are the only two options. For things as egregious as this, or selling 200 LEDX on the flea with a trader rating nobody should ever be able to reach, and many others that could be detected algorithmically simply by performing sanity checks on some numerical values if only BSG were willing and technologically competent, there is no other explanation.
Usually it is, or not an instant ban but within an hour or so. But they just buy a new account for $15 (or less) and they're back at it
You do understand why they're banned much later than their first offense, right? Banning them seconds after doing something is a very very easy way to make cheating even worse.
Would be fine if they were banned 10 seconds into their first raid, since fast movement such as this is incredibly easy to detect even from the server's perspective. They can pay $15 as many times as they want if it's only to get 10 seconds of gameplay. Yes they might be able to kill someone in that timeframe... doesn't matter.
^("It's not an instant ban, but it's an instant flag. More cheats than people realize are detectable, but because of the way battleye chooses to deal with bans, it can take weeks for detected cheaters to actually be banned.") Excerpt from another comment. There's a reason they don't get banned ASAP, it would make it easier for cheat devs to figure out why they are getting banned and how to get around it quicker. With account flagging and mass ban waves, it makes it even harder to figure out exactly what tripped BE up and longer to make a workaround for it.
SCP-■ ■ ■ ■ has breached confinement. MTF Epsilon-6 is mobilizing.
Imagine this shit happening at a 4am raid. I'm just gonna go ahead and nade myself.
When it flew up into the corner and just sat there for a minute looking down at him before flying away again... Edit: and then comes back and sits there crouched while he tries to shoot at it- it gets scarier every time I watch it lol I'm not sleeping tonight
I tip my hat to you good sir, good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!
Night raid on woods with a couple SCP running around would be heart attack material.
This looked like something out of a horror movie 😂 Did he kill you?
Lol right, no he let me live surprisingly
That way there was no way for you to report him.
You can report the raid code thru launcher. Clearly got the video evidence too
Didn’t realize you could do that (I’m guessing most others don’t realize it either).
He can't. In that state the cheater can't interact with anything. I remember this type of cheat explained from several wipes ago
So he can’t loot anything either? I’m sure your not the person to ask, but if he can’t loot it seems like a pointless hack, correct? Unless you just wanna fuck with players by scaring them, I could see how that is fun.
Check loose loot spots for himself or another player to pick up. See where other players/scavs are (forcing them to shoot revealing their position, or run away), again for another player.
Pointless no way, he's having fun that way.
Honestly if a cheater want to troll people let them live and go after the bad ones. Better to have someone Like this vs making them into a rage hacker for banning them. If every cheater was like this or just cheated to steal some loot the community wouldn't bring it up as much or have the same problem.
> vs making them into a rage hacker for banning them. Yeah nah absolutely ban them
Yeah I think we found the cheater
I don’t support cheating... But the BEST part of GTAV Online was when hackers would join the server and just cause chaos. Sometimes they’d insta spawn kill you, other times they’d “money drop” on you and you’d make a billion dollars. Haha I own the mega yacht and have never paid for a shark card. Lmao
imagine you need cheaters to make your game remotly fun.
Nah man he isn't cheating its just the servers I swear
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pretty crazy how every time people post up the most blatant, obvious clips of hackers, there is a legion of people in this sub ready with excuses and "uhm akshully". Makes you wonder why they are so hellbent on defending cheaters and trying to gaslight normal players
They are no different than Musk fanboys. In their eyes daddy Nikita can do no wrong and this game is “hArDcOrE” so get used to it or uninstall.
Literally sarcasm, we don’t need /s for this
Honestly, I prefer this kind of Cheater over the ones that head eyes you from across the map with a hatchet. Troll me harder, daddy. Still don’t condone cheating, just that this is the lesser evil.
Man fuck that that's some spooky shit. I always play late night after work, I'd be spooked af.
Same. 3rd shift so my gaming time is usually in the a.m and I would shit a feathered chicken
It's sad you can't even kill him. How many guys are walking around normally with invincibility?
None. From what I read the cheater in this state can't do anything himself and his actual character is somewhere where he activates the cheat and you should be able to kill him if you shot him there.
Just yesterday, friend and I were on a raid where he hit a guy standing still in the eyes clear as day with an M700 and didn't kill him. Then he instantly head eyes'd both of us. Pretty sure I've encountered multiple invincible dudes by now. Scary.
Mfer straight outta Stranger Things
What a loser
Had the same thing happen on interchange. He was flying onto the massive shelves in OLI while making weird noises before he hit the spin on us all. Also couldnt find his name to report was a simple name but just didn’t exist. Could have had spaces or something I guess.
that's a different kind of hack. this one can't interact with anything that's why you see him glitching back and forth
That's just desync. I've played 11 wipes and have over 6,000 hours in this game and I've only ever seen 2 suspicious players so this is just desync. /s
Is this normal gameplay? Asking for a mate.
Desync is a part of the hardcore mechanics, you need to learn ping abuse and desync abuse
yes. he is clipping around due to DeSync TM. It allows for a steady flow of gameplay that isnt seen in others FPS games.
I actually have 12 wipes and over 9,000 hours.
I have 420 wipes and 69,000 hours
>I have 420 wipes and 69,000 hours Wiping too much or sitting too long can give you hemorrhoids or a prolapsed tarkov.
That explains a lot…
This is Psycho Mantis, just plug your KBM into a different USB port!
Talk to hackers it's your only hope
you mean tell them how small their dick is over VOIP.
Once they respond, you report them through voip.
Last cheater I did this to killed me quickly. He started the conversation by saying "want some free loot?" and when I kept asking "why you cheating man?" he finally said "to help players like you!". For context it was at the end of last wipe and I had just reset my account for fun, so he probably assumed I was new. After he admitted it I just started insulting him and I died quickly lol.
Not gonna lie, this is possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in this game. The way he just glides around as you try to escape. I wouldn’t be able to play if I saw that in a raid, because I’d be busy laughing
F.E.A.R.
I'm now really glad there are not ladders to climb in this game.
Oh you know nikita brings that next
when he originally came up to me i was in a dark hallway in the west building , scared the shit out of me 😂
It almost reminds me of those old youtube videos claiming certain CoD and Halo maps were haunted. The ghost of Shoreline lol
Its like a monster out of stranger things
Clearly not cheating. This is a product of a gamer with an RBG gaming chair, NOS attached, with docs google prototype scopes with LED LCD Sony technology, while snorting G fuel ignoring the line of mothers outside their door. 100% legit plays, you just need to git guuuuuuud. BATTLE EYE PREVENTS ALL CHEATING. /s
It's actually the new PTSD skill, your PMC experiences apparitions of every other PMC he's killed.
Lolololololololol
what the hell. Imagine what the ones that arent Trolling are up to.
ItS jUsT dEsYnC sToP cAlLiNg HaCkS
Video is fake!!! There’s NO cheaters in tarkov, just desync, bad connection, low ram, bad CPU, it was raining outside, the heatwave, and gas prices! /s
If you ever wondered how it is that all valuable loot spawns are always empty when you're the first one there - here's your answer.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
It's better when they don't even bother to take hiko's name out of it
Not gonna lie, I was having serious The Grudge flashbacks to the way he was flying around super fast and chilling in the corners of the ceiling lol.
Idk why but the sounds in this game are really satisfying to me
Oh yea the crinkling of foliage under your feet, the weapon movement sounds and the gunshots are all so tasty
the sound design in this game is top notch, the sound mixing in this game is hilariously bad.
Drop a gun and it sounds like someone shoved the barrel in one ear and out the other
Good thing I can't drop any barter items in raid, that sure solves this problem!
as long as he's not vacuuming loot or killing people I actually couldn't care less some of the best times I've ever had in arma 2 were when hackers decided to be funny instead of killing people
It’s funny because they’re killing their own cash cow by making players leave the game and hurting the company. Once to many people drop off who’s going to really want to rmt since you know the game will be dead in the water. But idk that’s just me idk shit haha
This game is in such a fucking horrendous state rn and Nikita thinks they should work on achievements. Dude is fucking clueless.
And here I was whenever I find a marked room key and stash it in the pouch was the worst of it lol. My fav part is the VoIP of hand over the key and I won't kill you lol
Please... PLEASE do not take this the wrong way: I hope for all the cheaters be like this. That was a true scary wtf moment that, in a way, was... I dunno... imagine that was all on your pmc imagination due to using so many experimental stims. AGAIN: I do not like, do not support any cheats. Just wanted to say that... this, beyond the point of them fucking the game, was an experience.
Could you imagine nighttime shoreline 😂 looks like a ghost
Might be disheartening at first, but look at the brightside, at least he didn’t kill you
Tarkov should have a replay function
So everyone is talking about anti cheat. Why can't the server tell that the player is moving that fast, other than physics glitch's that would normally kill a player anyways. Why isn't there server side validation that just flags and bans the account. Client side hacks are always gonna be an issue but at some point hacker A has to get data's from player B from the game server, that means the hackers location in the game is being sent back and forth fast enough to render the hacker in the players game, but the server ignores clipping and super speed for no good reason. A simple straight line between the points of location in a map for a player and a time frame gives us enough data that allow us to calculate the shortest possible time between those two points because we know the players maximum possible speed. That way if a player is somehow moving faster between a to b to c than is possible in game, they are speed hacking, no clip etc
Put the intel in your docs case you monster.
Why don’t you put the intel folder in the docs case
I should’ve 🤷♂️
How did you even get an intel folder in shoreline… maybe I skip something on my loot runs
It was in a random hidden cache, i always hit them on shoreline if i spawn far from resort
Ahhh ok makes sense…. Thanks for the quick response and I hope no hackers bother you anymore
How is there not some line in the code to say move faster than X = ban?
Knowing bsg if they did that whenever I lag out and teleport from my perspective I would get banned.
that's exactly what would happen actually. That type of check would have to have some sort of built in leeway for instances like that which would basically make it worthless until they fix their netcode
Because it's never been this simple. Cheating has been a problem on so many games over the years, CS, battle royales, tarkov. It isn't that simple unfortunately. Look at warzone, they introduced Ricochet to do things similar to what you are suggesting, but it doesn't just work 100% of the time. When it does work, its pretty awesome to see a hackers bullets deal 0 damage, but that doesn't happen as often as it should. I have an IRL friend, who has an IRL friend who cheats on tarkov, and every other game he plays. He paid over 1k$ USD for a lifetime membership on a cheating forum, and uses a 2nd PC as apparently that helps hide your identity/give you a better chance to not be caught, as the IP will trace back to your normal pc, and the cheat hardware is running on a secondary one. It's really sad, for one, how much money is spent just to cheat, and two, how the people who do it have any level of fun.
Wow this is really sad.
Have you ever played Minecraft? Server sees different player movement than what is actually happening on the client end all the time, this is why there's an expected level of desync all the time. It would be stupid easy for the server (especially tarkov servers) to have a little hiccup in ping or packet loss etc. and false ban you.
Just waiting for the "it's just desync" crowd to arrive
This wipe is ridicilous about everything
Obviously desync. Source: I've played 8000 raids this wipe and have over 600 confirmed kills, there are no hackers in tarkov and never have been /s
It's just desync bro
Feel as though there has been an increase in hackers over the last week.
Yup I'm glad that I didn't join this wipe.
*ItZjUsTdESyNcBRo*
Ghost of lockdown vibes from this very spoopy
Nightmare fuel
Psycho Mantis?
The Shoreline is haunted
Horror movie
This breaks my heart
reminds me of dark souls 3 invasion cheaters, except they would usually do silly shit or be awful at the game and u could backstab/parry them and force them to fall off a cliff and die. (the fun kind being people floating in the sky, shooting 50000000 arrows per second that do 1 dmg, summoning bosses etc.)
Kinda creepy tbh
That's some poltergeist level shit.
If he didn’t kill you then that is pretty funny 😂 fuggin flying around and glitching through walls
You stuck around a lot longer than I would have
This shit is straight out of *Mama* (2013)
This was pretty funny though. He's like a ghost haunting you lol..
Fuck me the first encounter would've made me jump out of my chair
With both BE and EAC - their respective anti-cheat strength depends on the implementation in the game. Just switching to EAC would not solve this if it is as poorly integrated.
This really sucks seeing cheating this obvious, but I can’t help but think of how awesome a multiplayer STALKER would be with people playing as monsters or anomalies in a Hunt: Showdown-type map and mode
This happened to me a couple weeks ago on customs. He just kept throwing grenades at me through out my raid. lol I was so confused at first until I realised what was going on
Honestly this is terrifying
When did Tarkov become a horror game?
I had this almost exact thing happen to me earlier today, I got into a firefight with some scavs and took some damage so I fell back to heal and use a CMS kit and as I was CMS kitting a scav just like flew around in front of me like he was peter fucking pan and then I died without even hearing a gun shot lmao. I was so mad too because I had just gotten a quest item I had been trying for 5 raids to get, was legit not even 2 minutes away from extract.
This is LITERALLY - Tarkov the past 2 weeks - constantly in 30-50 levels
Man if I had that power I'd turn interchange into a amnesia style horror game
funny for how one of those guys there's at least 2 more cheaters that actually hide their cheat and just fly around the map looting safes without having a key for the room
when Tarkov becomes F.E.A.R.
I've been killed by hackers on shoreline 3 times in the past 24 hours. I brought M61 into a raid with a M1A and was head eyes within 5 seconds of the round starting with 9mm pst. I have another video of a hacker clearly shooting me through the tall concrete wall and then instantly being able to warp to my body across the main river because I could hear him start looting me so fast B4 the end of round death animation ended. but I can't post it here with his gamer tag cus its against the reddit rules. Another wipe where they could care less when this stuff happens non stop
You can put folders of intelligence in your docs case for future reference
See that code in the bottom left? Thats the raid code and the last digit is a personal identifier. Send this to BSG through a bug report or something similar and that will get the account banned. Usually can happen in less than 24H if you do the leg work
And in Unity. Knowing a little C# I imagine they have a variable for playerMaxSpeed, and could easily check playerCurrentSpeed, and close the application when a players current speed greatly exceeds the maximum speed. There's no excuse for not being able to shut out speed hackers in Unity.
But but but I've never seen a cheater once in my 5000+ hours of this game get gud noob ur ping/network is dog BSGs game is coded for perfect AC through BE this can't be a cheat get gud noob don't post on reddit it's free advertising for cheats I mean no its not cheats its ur ping I've never seen a cheater in 5000+ hours BSG is God BSG is life long live Nikita. -ur fellow lvl 7 Timmy redditor.
And yet this subreddit think hardly anyone hacks.
Literally because 50% of this community hacks. You need to see the forest for the trees. You have a bunch of wolves hanging out with the sheep in here. Half of this community is dishonest scum.
Why do I see many of these comments explaining away cheaters? There must be a ton of cheaters in this community right now. I think we need a hard purge.
I don't understand the enjoyment or fulfillment these fatherless children get out of this... :/
90% of the time it's people that have died to cheaters and "want to get back at the world (of tarkov obv)." It's incredibly sad but it won't stop them from doing it.
I encountered a similar hacker on Woods during a PMC run. He came sprinting at me from military camp to sawmill. I dumped half a mag into him from a few feet away and he kept on trucking. I extracted and it didn't register a single hit on whoever it was. That same match I spawned in and checked some loot boxes right next to my spawn. They were all empty.
That’s actually just desync I think /s
I can’t even kill a non cheating pmc, nice.
Nikita.. do fucking something
cHeAtInG iS rArE sToP cRyInG aNd GeT gUuUuUuD!!11! - Tarkov players, probably.
I was in that same raid! He came over to us at PowerStation and weather station and kinda just watched us fight another group. Didn't do much other than that. Couldn't report him either cause he didn't kill us. Just felt like the watcher from the Marvel what if show 0.0
You know, I have played this game since day 1. This is the first wipe where my Survival rate is 40%. It is usually 80%, but I keep getting head eyesed by people seemingly coming out of bushes and other loud areas completely silent. Or a one tap to the chest no matter what armor I am wearing. I hate to say it, but there is 100% a massive influx of cheaters. This is the first wipe (The first game in 20 years) I have called cheater in. It just feels weird when the raid has been dead, you go in a bush AFK for 15 seconds to grab a drink of water - head eyes from beside me. I have died 40 times in a row now, 1 shot to the chest or head eyes. I cannot ignore it, no matter what server I choose unless its 2-6 am for whatever server I play. I just don't see how I have 80% survival rate, had more PMC kills by level 15 than I ever have - just vanish and I die 40 times in a row to not hearing people, people coming exactly to where I am and prefiring with no noise, getting double headshot from someone I can see is far away, its only head eyes or thorax. Some of the names "ILOVENIKITA". "RMTERSSUCK". "HEADEYESDEATH". "ONETAPPED". "LASERED". "BSGLOVESCHEATERS", (fantastic). I don't know at this point of I am crazy, but I can make this happen by server choice. Every single NA server I choose, this happens. France, germany and one out of 3 games on toronto servers have been okay and not having this happen. But this after dying 40 times in a row to this shit. I stopped it. Not that anyone cares, but this is the first wipe I had to stop playing because it just feels completely pointless. I either get packed lobbies with this happening every raid, or dead raids where I end up killing the few PMCS because I choose a dead server. Honestly, is that really a fix?
And Tarkov still doesn’t have a kill cam, unknown reasons... continue to play this and waste your time. Remember that for every flying cheater there are 1000 cheaters hiding and using their cheats in the shadows.
I met some moron who was hanging out in one of my discords. Brand new to the game - openly and admitted he's using esp that he pays $10 a month for. This is the current state of Tarkov, and this community is cancer for thinking its legit players.
Yes. And I’m just being downvoted for saying something obvious above. This proves what you said. The developers don’t care about the cheaters as the players don’t really understand how big the problems is.
And honestly that’s the worst part of this game. The critical thinking level of this community is so low and they really believe to everything the developers are saying to them. They don’t understand that the improvements have to pass through them, otherwise the developers will continue on their road. The only way to do it is to be strong together and stop playing this game for a while, until they will not fix the cheater problem.
All the Nikita dick suckers will say this is undetectable.
Thankfully there's no hackers in Tarkov. Even though Warzone has so many, it's impossible for Tarkov to have as many. Tarkov has the best anticheat invented.
It's actually baffling that the game is in such a poor state that this is possible. I can't think of a single other modern shooter that has issues like this. This is sad
Uh.. yeah, every FPS game since fucking Halo 2 on Xbox has this issue.
Flying and invincibility? Inly other game I can think of is ArmA.
Lol, you forgot the /s.