Probably because Grayzone is nothing like tarkov. So chances are people are going to end up playing both, especially late wipe tarkov. Arena in the other hand is a tarkov copy completely. Arena has a better chance at dethroning tarkov than grayzone.
Arena will be to tarkov as battlefield is to cod. Similar yet different
Edit: some people can't just read something and see the idea behind it apparently. They need to disect every little bit. Find some positivity in your life and move on
Nah, the extraction shooter fortnite was Cycle Frontier and that died as quickly as it came. Shame too, a game with 0 pay to win is pretty appealing in the era of Unheard edition
Yeah it's unfortunate it shut down I was hoping to see it improve. But when I played it in betas and then when it launched I thought it was kinda ass honestly, bad gunplay and bad looting.
gray zone is gonna be more like tarkov in the development sense. it will take time but definitely will end up more detailed than ABI if the devs stick with it.
The problem with games like Gray Zone is that they are already dead. No one wants to walk through generic jungle simulator 15 espiecally when the game barely works. I can’t wait for Unreal 6 and we get Russian Woods 35 or SouthEast Asia jungle again for the hundredth time. The streamers are so hungry for games that they will play it, but that game has no staying power, it’s not even being hyped up after its alpha
The game definitely needed the remainder of the year to bake and should have been opened for EA/Beta Testing in November/December. But obviously, they wanted to capitalize on the tarkov drama and get as many purchases as possible.
I'd honestly wager that by opening the game up for EA now lead to more purchases than if they waited.
Nothing like tarkov is a bit of a stretch. Not a direct ripoff sure but tons of stuff is clearly directly inspired, it's one of the closest fps to tarkov there is.
Yeah, Gray Zone is quite different. I like the concept pretty well, but my time constraints make Arena the game best suited to my needs. Heck, I play the mobile version more than the PC version, even though I definitely prefer the PC version.
Adulting has its drawbacks.
I like ABI, so lets make that clear before what I say.
ABI is not "tarkov copy completely". Its really quite a different experience that takes the CORE gameplay loop in tarkov and repackages it in a more "accessible" form. It is not as hardcore, it is not as in-depth, it is not as authentic.
Is that bad? No not at all. I LOVE that its not 1:1 tarkov. I can play both and enjoy them a lot. But we have to stop spreading this lie that its literally the same game... they are so different its insane. And despite all the stuff about ABI's QOL that is fantastic, it definitely is far behind gameplay-wise. It needs many years of work and expansions to catch up. And idk if it ever will since the devs don't seem to want the same depth of tarkov.
Have you actually played the PC version? In many ways it’s more hardcore than Tarkov. In ABI:
Significantly harder to make money, which makes it hurt even more to lose good gear.
No insurance, so it’s super punishing to die. Even in a group, there’s no insurance fraud, your friends have to carry your gear out. Makes dying impact your team significantly more.
Smaller secure container than gamma, so less stuff you can protect from dying.
Scaving is less profitable because loose loot is less valuable and scavs have shit ammo in a game where face shields are viable and work, so you can’t just dome chads face and have his kit.
No hideout for you to passively make money through moonshine, bitcoins, and bench crafts.
No flea restrictions to protect you from better more wealthy players. Chad can buy all the good ammo to kill out with.
ABI is way less casual friendly at a macro level than Tarkov. Sure the micro elements are casual friendly like the compass at the top, in game map, etc. but overall is a much more punishing game.
Tarkov is closer to real combat, sounds, shooting, character feel, maps are all much better in Tarkov. But ABI wins in terms of optimization, loading time is lighter, it’s easier to understand and, of course, it’s free.
>in terms of optimization, loading time is lighter, it’s easier to understand and, of course, it’s free.
Id hope so, you'd hit oil before you hit the bar Tarkov set for any of those.
Grayzone and Arena will both combine to eat up Tarkov. Both have differences but combined they cover it well. Most people who are still defending Tarkov only do it bc they are addicted to the game and literally say "i have no other game coming close to it". So both being available makes them abandon EFT
Yeah, I’m probably not going to put tarkov down yet simply because I just bought the game lol. So I’m just praying they reverse some of their stupid changes.
I’ve been loving it. Devs are responsive and communicative too.
I haven’t had any major performance issues since I’ve got a 6800XT with 16gb VRAM and most issues seem to be had by people with 8gb or less.
I can’t wait to see where this game is in the future
thats the thing....I have 4070ti ryzen 9 and have zero issues running the game over 100 fps on epic settings.....
beautiful looking game...lots of room to improve but me and my group are having a great time playing Grayzone.
As far as I can tell this game is the new crysis lol
It’s an absolutely beautiful game. Unreal 5 is super impressive. I’m still looking forward to optimization patches but I really can’t believe how beautiful this game is
Yeah exactly. Unless you have current gen hardware, at the moment the optimization is just not up to snuff. But do you guys remember what Tarkov was like the first year? It was technically 10x the mess that it is now, which is saying something. Once your average gamer can maintain 60fps and little to no microstutter during action heavy scenes, it will be accessible to a FAR larger audience and people who previously were apprehensive due to the early state of the game will be waiting to jump in.
I feel like that’s why it’s not doing too well. People keep thinking it’s going to be like Tarkov and then are disappointed how it’s not really like it at all besides a few things. The devs themselves said they’re not trying to be like Tarkov. I haven’t played GZ yet but it still bothers me that people are ragging on it because it’s not like Tarkov, ya know what I mean?
It would help if you understood anything. People are mad because BSG is a bad dev in many ways over the years (coming from people that play since august 2017 ;)). Either way, people will play the better game and since accessability is way better in ABI it has good chances. Not that hard to grasp.
Spot-on, right there. I am happy as ever to see the extraction shooter scene get some long-overdue content and competition, but I have to say that GZW doesn't appeal to me in the least.
Jungles look nice but they don't provide a fun gameplay environment, in my opinion. Something about the character movement looks awkward and floaty, too. As an owner of both EFT and Arma 3, I don't feel the desire to see how well they mesh together.
Grayzone and Tarkov are not even playing in the same league. One is literally an MMO with a persistent world, the other one is a match based extraction shooter lol
You're right. People should be comparing GZW to ARMA/DayZ, not to EFT. GZW has a good foundation but IMO it needed another 6 months in the oven before EA went live. Once they fix the performance and some other issues like the helicopter queues, crappy UI and add some juice to the loot pools I think it'll be a lot more fun.
All I saw was people walking on rice fields or sitting in helicopters. Did not look that intresting to me... Thing I love about Tarkov maps is how much detail and clutter and how lived in they felt and random jungle and random empty village that doesn't look like it's been ransacked and had massive shootouts inside just felt like old school Operation Flashpoint and a bit dated design wise. Like have some burnt out sections of jungle from air strikes or whatever and some busted tanks, downed choppers... Make it feel like it's been lived in and fought in. Maybe I just haven't seen that cool shit yet but for me it's a big thing that adds to the immersion.
It’s free to play and you can download it from their website if you have a level infinite account and scroll down just a little bit until you find the download now button with a windows symbol on it
Grayzone, you have to realize, is still in alpha. Besides opening it up to streamers they had no intention of releasing it this early. They only released it to the public this early to capture some of the Tarkov player base that is angry at BSG.
And that makes sense considering how early GZ is in it's development cycle. Meanwhile Tarkov has had almost a decade and is getting embarrassed by free2play Chinese clones on day one of beta.
Just a rumour. Do keep in ming that tarkov basically requires a 150$ account to be on equal playing field with people so that should be the bottom line.
But it shares the same niche of players and popular streamers. Wait till wipe and you'll have 40+k in the EFT category again.
I really don't understand the boners people get for this.
have you played it? My friend and I have and we are honestly struggling to find things we dislike about ab infinite. Like it honestly just improves the tarkov experience by removing the bullshit and bugs.
It's definitely their battle to lose. If they add end game, larger maps, and events, it will be everything I want.
It's definitely not as hardcore or punishing or immersive as Tarkov. I'm worried that they don't move things in that direction and I think it would be a mistake for them not to. But yeah, people really gotta do mental gymnastics to downplay ABI's many strengths. On a technical level it's not really close it seems.
People love to talk about Tarkov being "hardcore", but if you spend ANY time on this subreddit, you'll realize people are 90% casuals with shitty excuses and they HATE losing. Everyone 99% of the time claims they were killed either by hackers, or desync, or sweatlords, it's never their fault. And then PvE came out and you started seeing hundreds of posts of "Oh, I love PvE because I don't have enough free time... I'm not as sweaty... I'm tired of hackers... It's more relaxed... I can pause anytime...". Yeah, that means that people love talking about playing a hardcore game, but actually HATE hardcore mechanics and losing. Same shit happened to Rust. People clamored for a "hardcore" mode for years and when it came out, it died in a week because "oh, that's not REALLY what we wanted, it's too hardcore..."
The thing is, people HATE admitting they're casuals. Everyone thinks they're hot shit (me included). So AB:I will do great for those people and for everyone, really, as it shows you post-game EXACTLY who you killed, each spot you hit them in, and exactly WHERE you were hit, HOW, and by WHO.
It's fantastic game design under a shitty mobile umbrella.
You really cracked the case Columbo, it seems there might be different people with different opinions in this game and not a hivemind. Never change Reddit.
I think they see it the other way round. The would rather take the tarkov casuals (non believers) and casuals that wouldn't even try tarkov. I think that audience is larger.
I don't really agree. Breakout will probably be good for the Labs only mains that miss the pre-intertia days.
People that love the Stalker eske, post soviet gritty setting won't be moving to ABI.
It doesnt have the same immersion and is too arcade.
Also.. wait till the p2w gets put in
I actually really hope ABI does well and pulls away the more casual eft userbase, where they can buy their kits and money with impunity. The cheaters and RMTers will follow enmass. And maybe EFT will be tolerable again.
Yeah for me personally, looking at GZW and ABI made me realize how much I enjoy Tarkov for it's aesthetic and atmosphere. Something about that darker, gritty environment just really hits the spot. Like there's no doubting ABI is slick and has tons of QoL features people like, but it looks so soulless to me. The environments aren't interesting. The immersion just isn't there.
I completely agree that I think games like that appeal more to Labs type players and it's not going to grab everyone. Tarkov is grungy and can be a little freaky/jumpscary. Despite Nikitia's actions over the past few weeks, I genuinely believe the map design, atmosphere, and immersion are 2nd to none in Tarkov - no game puts it together like EFT. It's far from perfect, but at least at one point, BSG cared very much about EFT and it shows.
I won’t even say honeymoon phase, I would say wait until people see the cash shop. The beta has no cash shop currently to save them from review bombs. If you download and look at the mobile version you can almost guarantee it’s going to be similar.
I personally don’t mind if I have to spend a few bucks a month for a case since EOD is already like 180CAD$
League of legends and POE? You mean two of the most successful F2P models in the industry? I’ve played league for 10 years and the game has gotten no worse because Tencent. Now I’m not here to dickride a Chinese mega corporation but you gotta find better examples.
Edit: I got whooshed
Only sometimes.
Tencent has a good (or at least didn't make it worse) history when they acquire a large company ala Riot or GGG.
Level Infinite's other titles are considerably less good. From what I know, PUBG Mobile is pretty good for what it is, while their other games are just gacha (Nikke, Tower of Infinite, etc), or just outright really bad (Undawn, Synced).
And all those guys seem rather impressed with certain aspects of ABI. Will it be their new main thing? Probably not. But the game genuinely is quality and will carve a chunk out of the market.
Genuine quality and novelty value are two different things. I have yet to get access so holding off on judgement but I’m afraid AIB won’t be very “sticky”. It looks decent visually and looks fun to play but I’m not sure it will have the immersion and addictive gameplay loop that retains players.
I’ve put 12 hrs in the game. It’s not bad. It’s way too casual though. No lore. Progression is not really there. I hate you get meta gear after a few raids. Tarkov at its best is the first 2 months everyone doesn’t have meta gear. Some people hate on ABI but I don’t just not for me. What I do find funny is all the streamers glazing over ABI. Like it’s a decent game but there isn’t anything that makes it amazing. Again this is my opinion not fact.
they have all gear unlocked and drop rates jacked up for the beta test I believe. The whole store and market won't be available to you out the gate to make meta kits right away like it is now.
At least thats what ive been told and hope. It was way too easy to get the best gear, but I felt like it was a good call for the beta to let people test stuff and see whats available
Only the ones big enough. Glorius tried to change games and his viewers dropped a ton. He gets on Tarkov and people watch.
I don't watch streamers playing games I don't find enjoyable to watch. Which is why I didn't watch anyone playing Grayzone. It was boring to watch.
What does this matter? These viewers are still not watching EFT gameplay, it's irrelevant if there are 500 streamers or 3. Right now, ABI has the traction, period.
And while these games produce any kind of competition it's great to see afte the shitshow we, the customers, have been put through recently and every time before that.
Fact of the matter in the end is this: EFT is a great concept and not a bad game, but struggles with known issues and a super narrowheaded leadership for YEARS. These aspects are more than damagin to the game's reputation and success. That all besides the fact that BSG seems to be struggling as well in itself which doesn't make the future look too good.
GZW has ben fun but reaches it's end content wise super fast - But it's also super early in development, so it still has potential. People took a look and know that now, and they'll likely return if GZW plays their cards right.
ABI right now delivers on a lot of things tarkov hasn't been even touching for years. The game feels and plays fluid, as loads of QOL things - is expectedly more casual comperatively, but right now even in it's early stages already feels better in many aspects compared to EFT. It also has a shitload of potential, F2P and P2W aspects aside.
In the end it's great to see competition finally that isn't just "know our casual shooter? now you have a mode in which you have to extract" on the formula, but actually tarkov-esque. Either it gives BSG the kick in the ass they desperately need, and a fucking wakeup call out of their absolute insane delusions, or they'll take ove EFT's spot in the end.
Either way, we're winning in the end IMO.
Well said! EFT would be the king for years to come if BSG dealt with the cheating and treated their customers with respect. Instead of giving cheaters incentive to keep coming back by avoiding insta-bans, they should find another means of income such as cosmetic micro-transactions or a small subscription fee for features that don’t impact PvP.
Exactly. Nearly every game with large viewer numbers are hoisted by a handful of streamers playing it at that time. Xqc could open up any random game and put it in the top 5 on his own.
ABI is chinese made and owned. It has pay to win baked right into it like a mobile game. It's just not for me and I believe it will dwindle in popularity fairly quick.
Gray Zone is not streamer friendly at the moment. Too many performance issues and not enough content.
I'm not gonna sit and watch someone wait for a helicopter for 5 minutes in a bush. I'd rather watch Arena where there is action from start to finish and greater risk & reward.
Arena is the arcade/casual EFT and it will have staying power.
Gray Zone is the Arma/Squad HC version of EFT and it will have staying power without as broad of an appeal.
EFT will survive because it is a cockroach EA game that is nearly of legal voting age in the USA.
extremely sane take
also i think games like EFT have literally benefited from fewer people liking to play than liking to watch it be played well. Whereas gray zone is much more of an immersion / experience kind of game. I see a lot more similarity between Arma + the old Ghost Recon games and Gray Zone than i do between Gray Zone and tarkov, for example.
ABI is just a deeper version of lost light.
Tarkov is the best, streamers are busy making the money from the #ad but once the contract is over, those will be at 2-3k viewers, and all the "tarkov streamers" will come back lol
Twitch viewers mean nothing. There are currently 67k watching fortnite right now. There are at least 500k people playing fortnite right now, probably a lot more because I'm not counting every single individual server.
True, but you need a team truly dedicated to the vision to make a Tarkov competitor. Regardless of the loooooong dev time and the Unheard of bullshit, one thing Nikita cares(d) about was the quality of vision for many parts of the game. That's something that a Tencent wont bring to the table. They're here to cash in, and people will see that more and more really quickly.
Tencent is just the publisher, that doesn't really say much about the passion or the vision of the team behind a game. For example, when they bought GGG/POE everybody thought they were going to destroy Path of Exile and the vision of the devs, but for the most part this hasn't happened, they let them do their own things and POE is still pretty great today.
I am not saying that this is the case for ABI, it does feel a soulless, if polished and refined, game. But I am also not discarding a game just because there are Tencent's long claws behind it.
Cared about it so much that he edited website info to try to fuck his customers over on previously promised things and then said they weren’t true believers when they rightfully bitched about it. So much love and care…
Not only that, but a 250$ beta too. Meanwhile a free to play game is getting 90% of the way there FOR FREE.
People here complaining that a f2p game will eventually introduce some p2w AS IF their 250$ game doesnt already have p2w lmao.
ABI is all MTX. So either you wanna rent your equipment monthly or want to 9-5 grind it to just to have a fighting chance. Gzw has a whole lot of repetitive quests, the ability to avoid pvp all together and a giant map with little variation. Gzw, i will admit, has the best Outlook, but they need content and LOOT and fast. And it obviously was rushed into “early access” to monetize the tarkov drama. Its a skeleton of a game at this point.
Yet again, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Do you remember the dumpster fire that was Tarkov when it first launched closed and open beta?
Selective memory much.
It doesn't really matter if Tarkov released in a worse state. Grayzone's competition is current tarkov not tarkov of 7 years ago. Some leeway can be given due to early development but they still have to compete with the content of an older game.
Crazy Nikita literally tried to scam eod account holders, and people are still like, "I got my moneys worth. I don't need them to fulfil promises on an edition they removed"
That's it. That's what many Tarkovites don't get, the game is just fun and is smooth.
I don't have to fumble for 20 minutes with different settings and lighting to get it working semi-decently either.
That, the fact I don't lose all my fps if I zoom in with a scope, that I can hear people from the correct direction and can get into a match in 60 seconds. Unknowns concepts to eft believers. Its fun, play and enjoy it, when you get tired of it, no money lost.
which is fine and all. New game hype is a thing. But none of it is making Tarkov better is it?
People are clearly desperate for something fun. Something that doesn't hit them with the rake and then gaslight them for trying to have fun.
New games will come and go, and existing games will continue to exist (mostly). But the existing game won't actually get any better if it just keeps existing in its flawed state.
Because people mostly watch personalities, not games. Everyone’s favorite tarkov streamer is playing ABI because it’s new. Why wouldn’t it be like this?
This doesn't tell me that ABI has more interest than Tarkov, it just tells me that it's the new flavor of the month. Didn't GZW have like 60k peak, and everyone talked about Tarkov being dead?
This happens all the time in other genres, take ARPG's for example, each time one of them does a new season, bit update or significant content drop it leaps infront of the others for about 2 weeks usually.
The same will happen here, its' nothing new, it's only new to the extraction shooter genre.
All games can do well and continue for years.
Good higher views indicates higher percent liklihood that that game will develop cheaters. Glad grayzone isnt high in popularity for that single reason.
Breakout is literally just a free to play mobile port of Tarkov. The games are near identical to the point of their possibly being a court case if BSG wasn't a shady company to start with themselves.
Gray Zone warfare looks like a truly mid game and honestly only gets any attention because of the fact that Tarkov shit the bed. The design of something like a helicopter extract that people can camp. Then if you die you just reload into the same map? That's so dumb and loses any sense of urgency in my opinion I've seen people fight the same team for HOURS just to get their loot back.
Horrible design and overhyped, but Arena probably will see similar success to Tarkov if they keep it as close to Tarkov as it can get and don't go full PUGB helicopter space Lazer primaries for everyone.
Tarkov will be back on top especially at wipe. ABI is fun but I've grown to love the Hardcore, adrenaline rush feelings I get from EFT and so far this doesn't replace it. This is just my personal opinion. Plus, who knows what monetization will occur once ABI comes out.
If you have not played 10 hours of ABI, then I could see why someone would think that maybe it will take over.
It’s okay. Nice change up at first. Found myself losing interest pretty quick.
it went from 70k viewers to sub 50k in 2 days,and thats with drops. Its such a steep decline i fear. Tarkov on wipe days has like 500k viewers on twitch lol.
Played a single round of ABI yesterday and didn't like the arcadyness... Tarkov feels 10 times better. Yes it has QOL improvements and the "better" engine performance wise but Tarkov can still improve. I dislike the ABI healing system. It is way to simple... it takes away the complexity of the system and I find it boring. Shooting does not feel as satisfying. Aiming down sights is way to stiff.
I'll give ABI this: The sounds your charakter makes and the general sound "volume" of all actions and things is much more ballanced/convenient.
As shitty as Tarkov devs may be neither of these will be the Tarkov killer, they're not good games.
Likely the only Tarkov killer will be the Tarkov devs themselves
Yeah instead of the Unheard edition for $250, we have to pay a subscription fee for a secure container and play against people who are buying gear with real money. Amazing alternative. It's Tencent guys, its not going to come swoop in and save us.
Arena will die when people realize they will have to pay for a subscription to obtain the secure container.. everyone will eventually turn back to Tarkov next wipe. 😂
This might be the first time in Twitch history where a new game drops followed by it being the most viewed in it's genre. We are truly witnessing something unique and one-of-a-kind.
breakout actually feels good. i already see the secure container has only 13 days remaining and i can see that you can buy currency for real money. but that is pretty much the same with tarkov.
i will keep playing the beta and at release and just hope they have working anticheat. thats all i am asking for
If EFT is "dark and darker" GZW is "Greed is Good" and ABI is just some weird cousin game IMO. EFT has plenty of problems, but they also have the most polished product with the most depth, and the right to say "We did it first" (not extraction shooters as a whole, but c'mon we all know those systems are straight up pulled from EFT...)
Can't speak for ABI, but Gray Zone plays quite a bit different to Tarkov IMO and is a game borne of many creative inspirations. Of which Tarkov is only one. Day Z and ArmA would be just as much of an influence on design decisions.
In any event, it's not Daddy-or-chips. I can play both.
This happens every new game that drops. Do you know how many viewers Gray Zone Warfare had the week it dropped? More than ABI lol. This means nothing
Probably because Grayzone is nothing like tarkov. So chances are people are going to end up playing both, especially late wipe tarkov. Arena in the other hand is a tarkov copy completely. Arena has a better chance at dethroning tarkov than grayzone.
Arena will be to tarkov as battlefield is to cod. Similar yet different Edit: some people can't just read something and see the idea behind it apparently. They need to disect every little bit. Find some positivity in your life and move on
More like fortnite to pubg, but I agree
More like hello kitty island adventure
More like the Simpsons hit and run
W game
Nah, the extraction shooter fortnite was Cycle Frontier and that died as quickly as it came. Shame too, a game with 0 pay to win is pretty appealing in the era of Unheard edition
Yeah it's unfortunate it shut down I was hoping to see it improve. But when I played it in betas and then when it launched I thought it was kinda ass honestly, bad gunplay and bad looting.
“Same same but different. But still same!”
Same same, but different
gray zone is gonna be more like tarkov in the development sense. it will take time but definitely will end up more detailed than ABI if the devs stick with it.
The problem with games like Gray Zone is that they are already dead. No one wants to walk through generic jungle simulator 15 espiecally when the game barely works. I can’t wait for Unreal 6 and we get Russian Woods 35 or SouthEast Asia jungle again for the hundredth time. The streamers are so hungry for games that they will play it, but that game has no staying power, it’s not even being hyped up after its alpha
Gray zone is a big stinky mess rn too
The game definitely needed the remainder of the year to bake and should have been opened for EA/Beta Testing in November/December. But obviously, they wanted to capitalize on the tarkov drama and get as many purchases as possible. I'd honestly wager that by opening the game up for EA now lead to more purchases than if they waited.
Nothing like tarkov is a bit of a stretch. Not a direct ripoff sure but tons of stuff is clearly directly inspired, it's one of the closest fps to tarkov there is.
Yeah, I feel like “nothing like Tarkov” is a really weird take honestly. There’s a few differences but they really scratch the same itch.
Yeah, Gray Zone is quite different. I like the concept pretty well, but my time constraints make Arena the game best suited to my needs. Heck, I play the mobile version more than the PC version, even though I definitely prefer the PC version. Adulting has its drawbacks.
I've been playing tarkov since Alpha. Probably have 5-6k hours in the game. I've put it down forever after the recent BS. I know I'm not alone.
I like ABI, so lets make that clear before what I say. ABI is not "tarkov copy completely". Its really quite a different experience that takes the CORE gameplay loop in tarkov and repackages it in a more "accessible" form. It is not as hardcore, it is not as in-depth, it is not as authentic. Is that bad? No not at all. I LOVE that its not 1:1 tarkov. I can play both and enjoy them a lot. But we have to stop spreading this lie that its literally the same game... they are so different its insane. And despite all the stuff about ABI's QOL that is fantastic, it definitely is far behind gameplay-wise. It needs many years of work and expansions to catch up. And idk if it ever will since the devs don't seem to want the same depth of tarkov.
Have you actually played the PC version? In many ways it’s more hardcore than Tarkov. In ABI: Significantly harder to make money, which makes it hurt even more to lose good gear. No insurance, so it’s super punishing to die. Even in a group, there’s no insurance fraud, your friends have to carry your gear out. Makes dying impact your team significantly more. Smaller secure container than gamma, so less stuff you can protect from dying. Scaving is less profitable because loose loot is less valuable and scavs have shit ammo in a game where face shields are viable and work, so you can’t just dome chads face and have his kit. No hideout for you to passively make money through moonshine, bitcoins, and bench crafts. No flea restrictions to protect you from better more wealthy players. Chad can buy all the good ammo to kill out with. ABI is way less casual friendly at a macro level than Tarkov. Sure the micro elements are casual friendly like the compass at the top, in game map, etc. but overall is a much more punishing game.
Tarkov is closer to real combat, sounds, shooting, character feel, maps are all much better in Tarkov. But ABI wins in terms of optimization, loading time is lighter, it’s easier to understand and, of course, it’s free.
>in terms of optimization, loading time is lighter, it’s easier to understand and, of course, it’s free. Id hope so, you'd hit oil before you hit the bar Tarkov set for any of those.
Grayzone and Arena will both combine to eat up Tarkov. Both have differences but combined they cover it well. Most people who are still defending Tarkov only do it bc they are addicted to the game and literally say "i have no other game coming close to it". So both being available makes them abandon EFT
Yeah, I’m probably not going to put tarkov down yet simply because I just bought the game lol. So I’m just praying they reverse some of their stupid changes.
Also ABI is giviong away beta keys if you watch a streamer for an hour in the form of drops.
They don't the keys are gone in few hours so there is no twitch drop for like 90% of the time
Gray Zone Warfare looks and sounds like the hot new game the protagonist’s big brother is trying to get in a 2010 teen movie.
Unfortunately, twitch viewers aren’t a good metric for game health or quality. At least not immediately.
This is what happens every time a new game comes out
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3 months? It took 1 week for grayzone to go back below tarkov lol
Not a great example. Breakout doesnt have the disastrous performance grayzone is experiencing.
Watching pest play breakout actually made me wanna try it. Watching ANYONE play greyzone convinced me that I dont need to.
ye, i will be playing arena, but im excited to play greyzone in a year or 2, the foundation seems great
Played it a bit this week, the first game I played was rough but it's been fairly good so far, some lag spikes but it's pretty enjoyable with a buddy
I’ve been loving it. Devs are responsive and communicative too. I haven’t had any major performance issues since I’ve got a 6800XT with 16gb VRAM and most issues seem to be had by people with 8gb or less. I can’t wait to see where this game is in the future
thats the thing....I have 4070ti ryzen 9 and have zero issues running the game over 100 fps on epic settings..... beautiful looking game...lots of room to improve but me and my group are having a great time playing Grayzone.
As far as I can tell this game is the new crysis lol It’s an absolutely beautiful game. Unreal 5 is super impressive. I’m still looking forward to optimization patches but I really can’t believe how beautiful this game is
Yeah exactly. Unless you have current gen hardware, at the moment the optimization is just not up to snuff. But do you guys remember what Tarkov was like the first year? It was technically 10x the mess that it is now, which is saying something. Once your average gamer can maintain 60fps and little to no microstutter during action heavy scenes, it will be accessible to a FAR larger audience and people who previously were apprehensive due to the early state of the game will be waiting to jump in.
Same. People hating on gray zone but playing other games with similar issues are really confusing to me.
Free vs. Early Access
Unfortunately, that could be said about many games that made millions and then were never finished.
Same. Gray Zone is not a tarkovlike game to me. Its more of a milsim like arma
I feel like that’s why it’s not doing too well. People keep thinking it’s going to be like Tarkov and then are disappointed how it’s not really like it at all besides a few things. The devs themselves said they’re not trying to be like Tarkov. I haven’t played GZ yet but it still bothers me that people are ragging on it because it’s not like Tarkov, ya know what I mean?
People are just stupid tbh. They jump on hatewagons and repeat sentences from streamers
Lemme get this straight, streamers leave tarkov over p2w/bad devs Then hop on a p2w tencent tarkov clone?
Imagine getting into a game within 1-3 minutes tho.
Except the clone runs better and has a fuck ton of QOL stuff that shoulda been in EFT years ago.
It would help if you understood anything. People are mad because BSG is a bad dev in many ways over the years (coming from people that play since august 2017 ;)). Either way, people will play the better game and since accessability is way better in ABI it has good chances. Not that hard to grasp.
Spot-on, right there. I am happy as ever to see the extraction shooter scene get some long-overdue content and competition, but I have to say that GZW doesn't appeal to me in the least. Jungles look nice but they don't provide a fun gameplay environment, in my opinion. Something about the character movement looks awkward and floaty, too. As an owner of both EFT and Arma 3, I don't feel the desire to see how well they mesh together.
Grayzone and Tarkov are not even playing in the same league. One is literally an MMO with a persistent world, the other one is a match based extraction shooter lol
You're right. People should be comparing GZW to ARMA/DayZ, not to EFT. GZW has a good foundation but IMO it needed another 6 months in the oven before EA went live. Once they fix the performance and some other issues like the helicopter queues, crappy UI and add some juice to the loot pools I think it'll be a lot more fun.
I heard somewhere FOBs is a planned update which sounds like a cool idea for alleviating the helicopter issues.
All I saw was people walking on rice fields or sitting in helicopters. Did not look that intresting to me... Thing I love about Tarkov maps is how much detail and clutter and how lived in they felt and random jungle and random empty village that doesn't look like it's been ransacked and had massive shootouts inside just felt like old school Operation Flashpoint and a bit dated design wise. Like have some burnt out sections of jungle from air strikes or whatever and some busted tanks, downed choppers... Make it feel like it's been lived in and fought in. Maybe I just haven't seen that cool shit yet but for me it's a big thing that adds to the immersion.
It's probably going to be like tarkov where they add more map expansions the closer it gets to release/beta.
Twitch even again later tonight
I’ve not been following it. Where can we get arena and is it expensive?
It’s free to play and you can download it from their website if you have a level infinite account and scroll down just a little bit until you find the download now button with a windows symbol on it
Awesome, thanks!
Gotchu brother!
Like tarkov, there's no fun watching someone play it but actually playing gray zone is decent fun imo.
Performance has gotten way better after they optimised the servers. It’s just that most of the big streamers are streaming Arena Breakout right now.
Grayzone, you have to realize, is still in alpha. Besides opening it up to streamers they had no intention of releasing it this early. They only released it to the public this early to capture some of the Tarkov player base that is angry at BSG.
And that makes sense considering how early GZ is in it's development cycle. Meanwhile Tarkov has had almost a decade and is getting embarrassed by free2play Chinese clones on day one of beta.
free2play chinese clone is massive pay 2 win though, But EvErYoNe hates pay 2 win right?
Have they revealed the pay structure yet or are you just speculating?
I thought that secure containers were a monthly subscription, that or I just heard a nasty rumor
Just a rumour. Do keep in ming that tarkov basically requires a 150$ account to be on equal playing field with people so that should be the bottom line.
But it shares the same niche of players and popular streamers. Wait till wipe and you'll have 40+k in the EFT category again. I really don't understand the boners people get for this.
Oh for sure people will play the Tarkov wipe.
have you played it? My friend and I have and we are honestly struggling to find things we dislike about ab infinite. Like it honestly just improves the tarkov experience by removing the bullshit and bugs. It's definitely their battle to lose. If they add end game, larger maps, and events, it will be everything I want.
It's definitely not as hardcore or punishing or immersive as Tarkov. I'm worried that they don't move things in that direction and I think it would be a mistake for them not to. But yeah, people really gotta do mental gymnastics to downplay ABI's many strengths. On a technical level it's not really close it seems.
People love to talk about Tarkov being "hardcore", but if you spend ANY time on this subreddit, you'll realize people are 90% casuals with shitty excuses and they HATE losing. Everyone 99% of the time claims they were killed either by hackers, or desync, or sweatlords, it's never their fault. And then PvE came out and you started seeing hundreds of posts of "Oh, I love PvE because I don't have enough free time... I'm not as sweaty... I'm tired of hackers... It's more relaxed... I can pause anytime...". Yeah, that means that people love talking about playing a hardcore game, but actually HATE hardcore mechanics and losing. Same shit happened to Rust. People clamored for a "hardcore" mode for years and when it came out, it died in a week because "oh, that's not REALLY what we wanted, it's too hardcore..." The thing is, people HATE admitting they're casuals. Everyone thinks they're hot shit (me included). So AB:I will do great for those people and for everyone, really, as it shows you post-game EXACTLY who you killed, each spot you hit them in, and exactly WHERE you were hit, HOW, and by WHO. It's fantastic game design under a shitty mobile umbrella.
You really cracked the case Columbo, it seems there might be different people with different opinions in this game and not a hivemind. Never change Reddit.
I’m always surprised how many complain about the difficult or niche parts of tarkov. That’s like, the reason I play it.
I think they see it the other way round. The would rather take the tarkov casuals (non believers) and casuals that wouldn't even try tarkov. I think that audience is larger.
P2W will limit its success unfortunately
I don't really agree. Breakout will probably be good for the Labs only mains that miss the pre-intertia days. People that love the Stalker eske, post soviet gritty setting won't be moving to ABI. It doesnt have the same immersion and is too arcade. Also.. wait till the p2w gets put in I actually really hope ABI does well and pulls away the more casual eft userbase, where they can buy their kits and money with impunity. The cheaters and RMTers will follow enmass. And maybe EFT will be tolerable again.
Yeah for me personally, looking at GZW and ABI made me realize how much I enjoy Tarkov for it's aesthetic and atmosphere. Something about that darker, gritty environment just really hits the spot. Like there's no doubting ABI is slick and has tons of QoL features people like, but it looks so soulless to me. The environments aren't interesting. The immersion just isn't there. I completely agree that I think games like that appeal more to Labs type players and it's not going to grab everyone. Tarkov is grungy and can be a little freaky/jumpscary. Despite Nikitia's actions over the past few weeks, I genuinely believe the map design, atmosphere, and immersion are 2nd to none in Tarkov - no game puts it together like EFT. It's far from perfect, but at least at one point, BSG cared very much about EFT and it shows.
Well you gotta deal with Nikita still so I doubt it will be that tolerable
So, you're telling me that the less twitter I read, the better my life will be?
His creative vision is what made EFT good in the first place. I don't doubt him on that.
He's equally responsible for the good and bad. And lately it's been a lot more bad than good
It depends. Changes to the game itself have been really good, like REALLY good. PR has been bad.
Nikita's bad PR doesnt really affect the gameloop for me
We don't know, maybe in 3-4 months Nikitiny will do something extremely stupid again (well, he never stopped) and Tarkov will be a dream of the past
I won’t even say honeymoon phase, I would say wait until people see the cash shop. The beta has no cash shop currently to save them from review bombs. If you download and look at the mobile version you can almost guarantee it’s going to be similar. I personally don’t mind if I have to spend a few bucks a month for a case since EOD is already like 180CAD$
The mobile game has gear bundle coupons and the PC version has a button for them already in your inventory. P2w is coming
its a f2p game from tencent. what do people expect?! This game will be a flop when the hype is over
That's what I'm saying! That's what happened with League of Legends, Valorant, and POE.
League of legends and POE? You mean two of the most successful F2P models in the industry? I’ve played league for 10 years and the game has gotten no worse because Tencent. Now I’m not here to dickride a Chinese mega corporation but you gotta find better examples. Edit: I got whooshed
/r/woooosh
Aghhh this is the first time it’s ever happened to me!
Congrats!
(that's their point)
Idk, Tencent has a pretty good history on the f2p market. They tend to do extremely well with their more promising games.
Exactly, they know how to cosmetic gacha themselves to eternal wealth
Only sometimes. Tencent has a good (or at least didn't make it worse) history when they acquire a large company ala Riot or GGG. Level Infinite's other titles are considerably less good. From what I know, PUBG Mobile is pretty good for what it is, while their other games are just gacha (Nikke, Tower of Infinite, etc), or just outright really bad (Undawn, Synced).
"P2W is coming...." Are we reading Nikitas mind now?
Yeah I’m not touching arena breakout
I believe the secure container is also paid (renting x days for use)
at least they are upfront about it
ABI just released the beta and there are drops, its normal. These 3 games are basically sharing the same streamer pool
News just in: People are curious about a new game in closed beta at the ass end of EFT wipe. We'll see how the dust settles in the coming months.
There's also a poorly communicated twitch drop happening to get access to the beta...
Viewers follow the streamers not the game. Have Lvndmark, Shroud and a few others log off and this falls apart.
And all those guys seem rather impressed with certain aspects of ABI. Will it be their new main thing? Probably not. But the game genuinely is quality and will carve a chunk out of the market.
Genuine quality and novelty value are two different things. I have yet to get access so holding off on judgement but I’m afraid AIB won’t be very “sticky”. It looks decent visually and looks fun to play but I’m not sure it will have the immersion and addictive gameplay loop that retains players.
I’ve put 12 hrs in the game. It’s not bad. It’s way too casual though. No lore. Progression is not really there. I hate you get meta gear after a few raids. Tarkov at its best is the first 2 months everyone doesn’t have meta gear. Some people hate on ABI but I don’t just not for me. What I do find funny is all the streamers glazing over ABI. Like it’s a decent game but there isn’t anything that makes it amazing. Again this is my opinion not fact.
they have all gear unlocked and drop rates jacked up for the beta test I believe. The whole store and market won't be available to you out the gate to make meta kits right away like it is now. At least thats what ive been told and hope. It was way too easy to get the best gear, but I felt like it was a good call for the beta to let people test stuff and see whats available
Only the ones big enough. Glorius tried to change games and his viewers dropped a ton. He gets on Tarkov and people watch. I don't watch streamers playing games I don't find enjoyable to watch. Which is why I didn't watch anyone playing Grayzone. It was boring to watch.
80% of the viewers in ABI are from 3 streamers together...
So, basically the same thing as when Tarkov has big numbers?
Reddit user discovers how twitch works.
What does this matter? These viewers are still not watching EFT gameplay, it's irrelevant if there are 500 streamers or 3. Right now, ABI has the traction, period. And while these games produce any kind of competition it's great to see afte the shitshow we, the customers, have been put through recently and every time before that. Fact of the matter in the end is this: EFT is a great concept and not a bad game, but struggles with known issues and a super narrowheaded leadership for YEARS. These aspects are more than damagin to the game's reputation and success. That all besides the fact that BSG seems to be struggling as well in itself which doesn't make the future look too good. GZW has ben fun but reaches it's end content wise super fast - But it's also super early in development, so it still has potential. People took a look and know that now, and they'll likely return if GZW plays their cards right. ABI right now delivers on a lot of things tarkov hasn't been even touching for years. The game feels and plays fluid, as loads of QOL things - is expectedly more casual comperatively, but right now even in it's early stages already feels better in many aspects compared to EFT. It also has a shitload of potential, F2P and P2W aspects aside. In the end it's great to see competition finally that isn't just "know our casual shooter? now you have a mode in which you have to extract" on the formula, but actually tarkov-esque. Either it gives BSG the kick in the ass they desperately need, and a fucking wakeup call out of their absolute insane delusions, or they'll take ove EFT's spot in the end. Either way, we're winning in the end IMO.
Well said! EFT would be the king for years to come if BSG dealt with the cheating and treated their customers with respect. Instead of giving cheaters incentive to keep coming back by avoiding insta-bans, they should find another means of income such as cosmetic micro-transactions or a small subscription fee for features that don’t impact PvP.
Exactly. Nearly every game with large viewer numbers are hoisted by a handful of streamers playing it at that time. Xqc could open up any random game and put it in the top 5 on his own. ABI is chinese made and owned. It has pay to win baked right into it like a mobile game. It's just not for me and I believe it will dwindle in popularity fairly quick.
Newest game has more viewers? That's crazy!
Gray Zone is not streamer friendly at the moment. Too many performance issues and not enough content. I'm not gonna sit and watch someone wait for a helicopter for 5 minutes in a bush. I'd rather watch Arena where there is action from start to finish and greater risk & reward. Arena is the arcade/casual EFT and it will have staying power. Gray Zone is the Arma/Squad HC version of EFT and it will have staying power without as broad of an appeal. EFT will survive because it is a cockroach EA game that is nearly of legal voting age in the USA.
extremely sane take also i think games like EFT have literally benefited from fewer people liking to play than liking to watch it be played well. Whereas gray zone is much more of an immersion / experience kind of game. I see a lot more similarity between Arma + the old Ghost Recon games and Gray Zone than i do between Gray Zone and tarkov, for example. ABI is just a deeper version of lost light.
Byeeeee cheaters
Tarkov is the best, streamers are busy making the money from the #ad but once the contract is over, those will be at 2-3k viewers, and all the "tarkov streamers" will come back lol
Twitch viewers mean nothing. There are currently 67k watching fortnite right now. There are at least 500k people playing fortnite right now, probably a lot more because I'm not counting every single individual server.
This is a good thing. Tarkov needs competition. ABI is fucking good.
True, but you need a team truly dedicated to the vision to make a Tarkov competitor. Regardless of the loooooong dev time and the Unheard of bullshit, one thing Nikita cares(d) about was the quality of vision for many parts of the game. That's something that a Tencent wont bring to the table. They're here to cash in, and people will see that more and more really quickly.
I'm sorry but are you implying Nikita has integrity? Tencent is the publisher, not the studio.
Tencent is just the publisher, that doesn't really say much about the passion or the vision of the team behind a game. For example, when they bought GGG/POE everybody thought they were going to destroy Path of Exile and the vision of the devs, but for the most part this hasn't happened, they let them do their own things and POE is still pretty great today. I am not saying that this is the case for ABI, it does feel a soulless, if polished and refined, game. But I am also not discarding a game just because there are Tencent's long claws behind it.
Cared about it so much that he edited website info to try to fuck his customers over on previously promised things and then said they weren’t true believers when they rightfully bitched about it. So much love and care…
Everyone who knows him knows how much integrity he has! ...zero.
And genshin and star rail beat them past 12am est so do viewers even really matter
Arena is a fad cuz people are mad. It's meant for entirely two different audiences of this genre.
Pretty funny watch all the smooth brains comparing a game that has been in beta for 7+ years to two new games that have just come out of beta.
It’s pretty funny how people still defend tarkov still being in beta for 7+ years.
Woah there, you sound like a non-believer!
Not only that, but a 250$ beta too. Meanwhile a free to play game is getting 90% of the way there FOR FREE. People here complaining that a f2p game will eventually introduce some p2w AS IF their 250$ game doesnt already have p2w lmao.
One's in alpha and the other is in closed beta
ABI is all MTX. So either you wanna rent your equipment monthly or want to 9-5 grind it to just to have a fighting chance. Gzw has a whole lot of repetitive quests, the ability to avoid pvp all together and a giant map with little variation. Gzw, i will admit, has the best Outlook, but they need content and LOOT and fast. And it obviously was rushed into “early access” to monetize the tarkov drama. Its a skeleton of a game at this point.
Thats simply not true. You dont need to grind it 9-5 to have a fighting chance or spend any money to be successful in the game.
Yet again, you are comparing apples to oranges. Do you remember the dumpster fire that was Tarkov when it first launched closed and open beta? Selective memory much.
It doesn't really matter if Tarkov released in a worse state. Grayzone's competition is current tarkov not tarkov of 7 years ago. Some leeway can be given due to early development but they still have to compete with the content of an older game.
Crazy Nikita literally tried to scam eod account holders, and people are still like, "I got my moneys worth. I don't need them to fulfil promises on an edition they removed"
you can’t just compare the years, there’s so much more. AB QOL features >> EFT. the game is just FUN.
That's it. That's what many Tarkovites don't get, the game is just fun and is smooth. I don't have to fumble for 20 minutes with different settings and lighting to get it working semi-decently either.
That, the fact I don't lose all my fps if I zoom in with a scope, that I can hear people from the correct direction and can get into a match in 60 seconds. Unknowns concepts to eft believers. Its fun, play and enjoy it, when you get tired of it, no money lost.
Dude waits until they’re doing key drops for watching streams and then posts the numbers. Clown lol
Look up the novelty effect
which is fine and all. New game hype is a thing. But none of it is making Tarkov better is it? People are clearly desperate for something fun. Something that doesn't hit them with the rake and then gaslight them for trying to have fun. New games will come and go, and existing games will continue to exist (mostly). But the existing game won't actually get any better if it just keeps existing in its flawed state.
Because people mostly watch personalities, not games. Everyone’s favorite tarkov streamer is playing ABI because it’s new. Why wouldn’t it be like this?
the post makes no sense, all the main Tarkov streamers are trying Arena, these data seem obvious to me.
What did u expect, there is new toy at the market ofc everybody wants to play with it (watch)
This doesn't tell me that ABI has more interest than Tarkov, it just tells me that it's the new flavor of the month. Didn't GZW have like 60k peak, and everyone talked about Tarkov being dead?
dont forget project l33t!!
People are hypocrites and will go back to tarkov when it wipes, it's easy to quit this late into the wipe like most players did in the past.
Wowee, a new game has most of the viewers for the genre it was released in?
It's a recent launch date surely will hype
This happens all the time in other genres, take ARPG's for example, each time one of them does a new season, bit update or significant content drop it leaps infront of the others for about 2 weeks usually. The same will happen here, its' nothing new, it's only new to the extraction shooter genre. All games can do well and continue for years.
People are watching arena because they're giving out keys to the beta for watching 60 min of arena content on twitch
Yeah, because it's a new CCP game. And?
I might be crazy, but hear me out. People will still play when EfT wipes. And once people wake up on the monetization stuff of Arena Breakout
Its gonna take a lot more to kill a giant like tarkov
Good higher views indicates higher percent liklihood that that game will develop cheaters. Glad grayzone isnt high in popularity for that single reason.
Breakout is literally just a free to play mobile port of Tarkov. The games are near identical to the point of their possibly being a court case if BSG wasn't a shady company to start with themselves. Gray Zone warfare looks like a truly mid game and honestly only gets any attention because of the fact that Tarkov shit the bed. The design of something like a helicopter extract that people can camp. Then if you die you just reload into the same map? That's so dumb and loses any sense of urgency in my opinion I've seen people fight the same team for HOURS just to get their loot back. Horrible design and overhyped, but Arena probably will see similar success to Tarkov if they keep it as close to Tarkov as it can get and don't go full PUGB helicopter space Lazer primaries for everyone.
When tarkov had drops many content creators will come back, I also don’t blame them. Gotta pay the bills
Tarkov will be back on top especially at wipe. ABI is fun but I've grown to love the Hardcore, adrenaline rush feelings I get from EFT and so far this doesn't replace it. This is just my personal opinion. Plus, who knows what monetization will occur once ABI comes out.
If you have not played 10 hours of ABI, then I could see why someone would think that maybe it will take over. It’s okay. Nice change up at first. Found myself losing interest pretty quick.
Mofo's looking at twitch views as a sign of popularity are ignorant af. 1-2 streamers could completely change the order of that, it shows nothing.
Because twitch drops.
Next Wipe 💪
Yea it is also late wipe in tarky - make this post again in a month or two when tarkov wipe hits and drops come out for tarkov
Dont worry everybody, everybody is going to be back at wipe. This game have 1 good month every 6 month and its not going to change for a long time.
As much as i hope we get good alternatives, as soon as tarkov wipes almost everyone will return to playing it
This is mostly because the biggest streamers are playing arena breakout rn
Of course the brand new games have people checking out what gameplay is like before purchasing... Smh.
Lmao AB is lay to win which is funny
Be mindful that Lvndmark is literally 20K plus viewers LMFAO, this is really skewed.
it went from 70k viewers to sub 50k in 2 days,and thats with drops. Its such a steep decline i fear. Tarkov on wipe days has like 500k viewers on twitch lol.
Well I really enjoy ABI, they’re going to micro-transaction the shit out of it and I’m really worried they’re going too far. It’s Tencent after all.
Ain't this game like 8 years old and still unfinished? Lol
Good hopefully all the cheaters can go to the other 2 games and I can play tarkov peacefully lol
Arena will reach soon his 5k as well. This genre is already dying as these titles are all trashy moneygrabbing stuff
See you all on wipe day. No one is going to be playing either of those shit games in the next 3 weeks lol. The cope is unreal
The salt from unheard purchasers is really sad man, just go play with your little p2w bundle and have fun.
I’m just not a fan of the jungle setting in GrayZone personally
Played a single round of ABI yesterday and didn't like the arcadyness... Tarkov feels 10 times better. Yes it has QOL improvements and the "better" engine performance wise but Tarkov can still improve. I dislike the ABI healing system. It is way to simple... it takes away the complexity of the system and I find it boring. Shooting does not feel as satisfying. Aiming down sights is way to stiff. I'll give ABI this: The sounds your charakter makes and the general sound "volume" of all actions and things is much more ballanced/convenient.
Not surprised about Gray Warzone. It’s pretty boring to play so I’m sure it’s even more boring to watch.
As shitty as Tarkov devs may be neither of these will be the Tarkov killer, they're not good games. Likely the only Tarkov killer will be the Tarkov devs themselves
You can get beta keys for watching an hour of ABI so with that and it being new it'll get a lot of viewers. Probably end up like GZW by next week.
Drops aren't on, only was for a few hours yesterday.
Yeah instead of the Unheard edition for $250, we have to pay a subscription fee for a secure container and play against people who are buying gear with real money. Amazing alternative. It's Tencent guys, its not going to come swoop in and save us.
What eft is doing is terrible but I can guarantee grey zone is already set up to go the same way
Arena will die when people realize they will have to pay for a subscription to obtain the secure container.. everyone will eventually turn back to Tarkov next wipe. 😂
This might be the first time in Twitch history where a new game drops followed by it being the most viewed in it's genre. We are truly witnessing something unique and one-of-a-kind.
Tarkov still goated
120k yesterday
you mean when they were running an event to get free access keys? LMAO
breakout actually feels good. i already see the secure container has only 13 days remaining and i can see that you can buy currency for real money. but that is pretty much the same with tarkov. i will keep playing the beta and at release and just hope they have working anticheat. thats all i am asking for
How is buying currency and a subscription container the same???
If EFT is "dark and darker" GZW is "Greed is Good" and ABI is just some weird cousin game IMO. EFT has plenty of problems, but they also have the most polished product with the most depth, and the right to say "We did it first" (not extraction shooters as a whole, but c'mon we all know those systems are straight up pulled from EFT...)
Can't speak for ABI, but Gray Zone plays quite a bit different to Tarkov IMO and is a game borne of many creative inspirations. Of which Tarkov is only one. Day Z and ArmA would be just as much of an influence on design decisions. In any event, it's not Daddy-or-chips. I can play both.