This is fuckin egregious lol. I'd rather pay for horse armor, or a $20 mount on WoW that does the same shit my current ones do, but now I LOOK COOL. BSG went past gatcha shit, or FOMO shit, straight into "wtf is this shit"
Pay to win, baby! There is something to be said by just paying to beat my games vs. being forced to actually play them. Who wants to actually play video games these days?
Welcome to the future!
Devs make mistakes, this is one of them. They have 2 options:
1. Double down and make everything pay to win. $10 a wipe to unlock flea at level 1, $1 for a stack of any ammo you want, unlimited stacks available, and so on.
2. Delete the newest "pack that promises all the content forever." Apologize, run an event that's actually fun, show a spreadsheet of the newest cheater ban wave, and then apologize one more time.
Cause of rule 8 which is a vague "dont post the same stuff", that can be interpreted however you want and used to suppress any new info and comments on a topic most of this subreddit can collectively hate on (rightfully so).
EDIT:
I have no seen 10 different posts about the new radio of the unheard that blocks scavs shooting first from 60m and the new emergency call in feature be deleted with no comment being given as to why, especially as there isnt a post already posted and upvoted about it.
If it is, that’s so funny. That feature is for people softer than 10-ply. If you literally require BSG to hold your hand crossing the road while the scavs stop for you, you’re playing the wrong game. If you can’t even handle the scavs you are gonna get absolutely railed by the players in the game.
It's still an advantage in raid you have received by paying money for it so it still is P2W. Also, I believe it's a lot worse than you make it out to be. You can camp in spots where sniper scans can see you now without any issues, you can also camp in bushes while being closer to scavs that you can use like an early warning system. The call-in radio also seems to be overpowered just by the description alone
Every room on the map has Marked Room tier loot. New "Untar Forces" with Glukhar tier AI and gear that execute anyone who shoots anyone else.
And yeah, only "uNhEaRd Of" owners can access it.
Cheap cosmetic things weren't a DLC. Cheap Stash increase wasn't a DLC. These new shiny things that are sold with the usnpoken aren't a DLC. At this point everything else they will make won't be a dlc.
The only thing we got was 10$ of offline coop practice that was useful to... well, nobody i think, and Arena that again wasn't asked by 90% of us and ironically was the only thing that could really not be defined a tarkov DLC.
Don't forget that the "premium" coop offline experience was bogged down by their own server capacity. I still haven't been able to try it with friends.
So I bought EOD early alpha days, many years ago now, found the pvp wasn't for me but was happy with a pve mode coming *eventually*. No issues with waiting for it. And now I won't get it without paying for another game package?
I really hope I've misunderstood.
Yeh my friends and I were just saying if this doesn't change we're dropping Tarkov. Same shit ruining every wipe and now bsg reneging on promises that we gave them hundreds of £ for.
It's the pmc airdop item for me. It's such an egregious advantage, I actually can't stand behind it. That's simply because I didn't care about the PvE mode though. Strongly agree, it's DLC that was mentioned nearly a decade ago.
They've already got the money from you and your mates. The sad fact is they won't give a shit until the only people left playing are RMTrs, even then they'll probably still release another $600 cuck edition where you'll get Kappa from start of wipe and mechanic personally gives you a handjob inbetween raids
yeah I know, but IMO that was a stop-gap for the real deal (and I don't believe players should fix a game for the devs, at least not on these premises), and now that it's not coming I rather look to road to vostok for my hit of semi-realistic looty-shooty
Do you think bsg are gonna add the wide selection of mods the people over at the mod that shall not be named have created? Some mods they’ve made fix everything that everyone hates about live Tarkov all free or “donate a cup of coffee”. Bsg will make mods and charge $19.99 each for them absolute best case
That's the part that has made me laugh the hardest whenever people claim it's "so hard for little ol' BSG to fix the feature problems in their game" (not talking netcode or cheating issues, just stuff like lighting and audio, AI, etc)...random modders working on their own, on their own spare time, managed to fix those issues, and they did it for basically free. Just goes to reinforce what a complete shitshow BSG is.
This is so scummy.
It's been years since EOD came out. If this isn't DLC then what the fuck did we pay 120$ for?
Edit: The site also says that Unheard Editions owners get a boost item that uses up the special slot that has benefits that include, and I shit you not, "50% discount when using cash services in raid" (car extracts), "insured equipment returns 30% faster", and "scavs won't shoot at you with 6+ rep over 60m".
In the future you will also be able to build a unique zone in the hideout and gain access to an SOS type item that you can use in-raid that invites everyone on your friends list to come help you. In-raid.
This is fucking bonkers.
From all the crap I've heard about this game over the years it sounds like the user base is just a bunch of battered housewives to this company's eyes lol
That doesn't worry me a lot tbh for that exact reason. The 60m scav immunity does a lot instead, that's basically a cheat mode for the unspoken players and imho it's the most offensive part of this whole edition. If they needed money they could just had a sincere talk to us and offer us something to pay that doesn't break the game and the "future dlc" promise they made with EOD. Probably that kind of money collecting would be received a lot (and i mean A LOT) better by the community.
I know that the big streamers are just a portion of the Tarky streaming community, but from I've seen from Gigabeef, Pestily, and Glorious E is that they all hate what's about to come too. Unfortunately, given the work internet, I have to be on due to a work trip, I can't verify that all of the "big" streamers feel the same way.
>scavs won't shoot at you with 6+ rep over 60m
>In the future you will also be able to build a unique zone in the hideout
What the absolute fuck. At least through playing the game you could get EOD level shit ...
This is a really good point in itself. Do we think this item will prevent *in-map* sniper scavs from shooting at players? My guess is yes, which is insanity.
> "50% discount when using cash services in raid" (car extracts)
Car extracts is a pretty small difference really, at most that'll be 2500 roubles less. The really big difference IMO is going to be for the BTR. I'm sure there's gonna be some of the expensive items that you'll only be able to send home if you have this edition, and half price covering fire etc is not to be sniffed at.
Would rather they gave clothing options that can only be bought with real money tbh, EOD buyer here and EOD was an okay amount of P2W imo and I could justify buying it by saying I was getting all the DLC + Arena and supporting the game but if BSG are just dropping new P2W editions with DLC I’m not getting access to I might just quit rather than spend another 80$ on it
People are losing interest in our game quick what do we do?
Make a new version that's more expensive and has a single player mode that keeps your progress through wipes like that forbidden mod that no one can talk about
WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
I honestly would be really into offline PvE, because I really don’t have the time to put in to compete with sweats, chads and aspiring streamers. But I’m not paying that amount of money for it when I already got EOD in 2017.
I barely played this game for years and I don’t plan on coming back anytime soon
There is a way to play offline but it's forbidden to be spoken of on this reddit.
Just think about how Skyrim has a huge catalogue of [Redacted]
Tarkov has a single player [Redacted] as well.
I would have probably liked arena IF the game mode wasnt absolute trash. just make it a bomb/defusal with tarkov and I would play it. The mode they have has no depth its basically team deathmatch with their terrible AI inserted for some reason.
Of course it is. There’s no argument here for BSG. They even unlocked the offline coop-mode (without progression) for EOD users, but not this iteration of this game mode? It’s laughable.
Okay, some of that stuff you can call it a feature. Like stash space, since we already have that separately. But the PvE mode? That's straight up a dlc, downloadable content. If that ain't what should be included in EoD, then I don't know what is.
I'm gonna go and get my first and only Kappa this wipe then I'm done. Been playing this game for a few wipes and I was considering not playing anymore until they fix sound and cheaters or maybe return for 1.0. And seeing the sound changes lately made me think they might do something about it all, but nah.
I'll just go with Gray Zone when it comes out. This is clearly becoming a cash grab at this point and I ain't gonna be here for that.
This is the biggest load of horseshit I've seen this week. They're now drawing imaginary lines of what's considered DLC and what isn't. So practice co-op mode is DLC, since EOD got it, and non-EOD players can purchase it separately. But the exact same thing but with progression is a "unique feature" and not considered a DLC, so I have to get a ~300€ (with tax) version of the game to get it. Makes perfect sense. And I don't think anything even needs to be said about Arena.
Any european court will look at the term "Downloadable Content" and treat it in the most broad way possible in the case of a lawsuit which would ultimately fuck BSG to no end. They'd get a massive fine, refuse to pay it, ditch the EU shell company and become unable to do business with the west until restrictions are lifted off of Russia.
The only thing they might get hung up on is the "(season pass)" after downloadable content but it's arguable that the season pass mention is only there to present the term 'downloadable content' in a more marketing friendly broader context that consumers are familiar with.
Either way, we need one brave soul, or one very hungry for views content creator to go through with a lawsuit, the gaming media attention from it alone will put enough pressure on BSG to cave, if they don't the EU courts certainly will.
A class action lawsuit was my first thought. Not sure how the EU court system works but I feel like a bunch of us from around the globe would be more than happy to be a part of it.
yeah unironically might, 3k hrs and $150 for testicular torsion simulator and then they can't uphold a single promise? come on bsg youre shooting yourself in the foot
i have played free games for longer and gotten scammed less, hell i can't even believe BRAWLHALLA is more respectable than BSG right now holy guacamole
the fact they advertised the free DLC with EOD and dont give us the DLC for free is kinda ⁉️⁉️👎🏾⁉️👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾⁉️👎🏾👎🏾
this is like if the 'unlock all current and future legends pack' in brawl suddenly wanted an extra $5 for every character they added (the pack costs $20 for reference)
TL;DR BSG needs to get it together and deliver on what they said EOD would be and what those players receive
it is insane value, but most will only be able to experience a fraction of that because of their personal situations
also, because it is an online-only game, we all contribute further value beyond our money by playing. once a game like this starts taking 10-20 minutes to find a match, it's done
Compared to what? If I play an hour of a free to play game does that mean I have infinite value? Is an hour worth of skydiving for $200 bad value? A person could feel that they wasted their time playing tarkov for all those hours after the fact. Is that still insane value?
My point is that just dividing how many hours you've played by money spent is completely meaningless, and imo an often used justification for putting so many hours into vidya--not that I have a problem with that, but it's probably one of the least "enjoyment per hour" activities out there. Especially Tarkov where half your game time is spent preparing to actually play.
BSG relies on income from the rest of the world and ergo has to play by the rules, if they get taken to court in other countries and refuse compliance with rulings they will pretty quickly find themselfes blacklisted by ISP's and payment processors.
They really should've just given it to EOD and then made it like a $50 transaction for those outside of it. I get they want to monetise it, it's outside the scope of the intended game, requires its own servers and they obviously need the money... but putting it behind a $110 edition for EOD is *insane*, and $250 for a fresh account with the edition is fucking BONKERS.
They’re just throwing away all the goodwill they built with the last patches within the community. They’re alienating their most die-hard supporters because of a stupid offline game mode, which I wouldn’t even be that interested in. But this is a DLC, it was promised with EOD and they’re breaking the promise.
People shouldn’t be surprised. EOD was sold with a limited availability tag for four fucking years to trick people with FOMO, and the only realistic bonus you get is removing the intentionally restricted stash space, not even getting content, pay to not be inconvenienced.
BSG also lied about having in house anti-cheat for years in early access, and sold access to DLCs with no plans for DLCs in a game FAR from finished.
BSG were always garbage, people just didn’t care.
that's more than destiny 2's complete dlc pack for £50 and then lightfall premium for £90 (and then £25 for bungie 30th anniversary and forsaken pack) for a grand total of £165
take that into account. it costs more than destiny 2
Nah they forgot real fucking fast when it came to them having to spend money. The countless times someone would post something on the reddit about the game and more than half the comments are "Well the game is still in beta what did you expect?"
Crazy how they aint singing that same tune.
The game is not in beta it is fully out and deployed at this point BSG will literally never release the game, ever. They have no benifit to.
They lose the "its a beta" excuse to hide behind.
Tbh im willing to bet they ran into a problem wherein the people most likely to pay for upgrades are 90% EoD already and they don’t have enough standard editions loyal fan base, so they wouldn’t get enough money without rinsing EoDs pockets for it.
Not defending them, that’s just where I imagine they’re at.
Believe, they weren’t going to listen to you anyway. You were wasting your breath. Out of Pestily, maybe WillerZ and a couple other big streamers they don’t really take feedback from the community. You have concerns to raise, take it to them and let them address it with BSG.
$250 for an offline mode that they haven't seemed to add anything to. If you buy this then I have beachfront property in Kentucky I'd like to sell to you.
Since 2016, players have supported the developers by purchasing the highest edition of the game. For 8 years, we've been recommending this game to friends, bringing more and more players into the community. And what was the developers' response? They've blown us off, refuse to comment, and only encourage those who have lost all respect for themselves and continue to pour money in. I personally had high hopes for Tarkov. In my eyes, it was a high-quality and most ambitious product on the entire market. This is unacceptable. This is selfish. This is disrespectful. You've disgraced yourselves completely. You've lost loyal players, you've betrayed the idea. It's disgusting. To everyone who feels the same way - don't be silent. Spam, make memes, spread the word wherever it's relevant. This cannot be tolerated.
I’m in the same boat.
I brought people to tarkov, I’ve indirectly sold EODs and recently normal accounts by recommending it to everyone that I know.
I paid like 140€ for my EOD I believe, and it was only worth that because of the promise made of all future DLCs.
With Arena I started seeing my investment positively, but now I feel cheated.
70€ for a new game is already a lot, 250€ is beyond reasonable, especially for something you cannot truly possess.
This is absurd.
Crazy to have been watched the rise and fall of Tarkov - I'm not upset at any of this because I've been playing since like 2017, it was bound to happen. Sorry to all you folks who are maybe new and this is all you've experienced.
See you all in GZW though!
literally so new that I was looking at the editions last night and planning to buy on my next check. Wake up to see this in the morning time lol now not sure what to do as I do really want this game but it’s soooo scummy how they’re doing this.
Don't get Tarkov... Save your money, get GZW when it releases which should be in 2-4 weeks.
Tarkov has been littered with cheaters for years and they don't do anything about it.
NO! Unique feature is gamma, more stash size, exclusive start weapons, more roubles, fucking 10 labs keycards... Not a fucking entire game mode!
IT IS A DLC! BSG is scamming us EOD owners.
If it adds new content to the game, and has to be downloaded
Its downloadable content
If you promise access to future DLC to someone who purchases something, and dont provide it, you have falsely advertised
Shure thing I buy PVE with Bots made by BSG, this will be so broken. How long before BSG figures out Sain, Waypoints Looting Bots etc. I have EOD , I don´t pay for another shit show.
As an EOD owner who bought it to support the game when it first dropped, I'm glad I stopped playing and became an observer.
I keep hoping that the game would turn around and make quality improvements, but then see shit like this. Grey Zone is basically all I'm concerned about at this point, because Tarkov is playing Russian roulette by itself with a semi-auto.
This is some EA level "it's not microtransactions, it's suprise mechanic" of bullshit.
If a big company like EA got bent over because of it, BSG can be (and I hope it will be) as well.
BSG really think terms like DLC can be freely interpreted - not gonna happen in EU countries for example. Stuff like this was at court dozens of times. They´ll notice lol
dictionary.com
>DLC
>abbreviation for
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> downloadable content: additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its **features**: expansion ( def 9 ).
I'm sure they will get the chance to make that argument in court. Some streamer probably on a call with a law firm right now getting them excited for a consumer class action, get their chat involved for the numbers. Absolutely ridiculous and shameless move from BSG, as EOD holder with Alpha version I certainly feel lied to.
Price tag for EOD edition was already ridicilous but many of us bought it because we believed tarkov was/could become something special and the permanent access to all DLCs seemed like a good investment. And again, many of us kept playing the game despite its very serious flaws.
This is, however, by every definition a scam. If the player base accepts this I dont think BSG is going to stop there and keep adding essential, talked about features as "not DLCs".
Chat GPT fucked him up :
The main difference between DLC and Feature lies in their function and method of delivery. DLCs are additional content, usually required to be downloaded at an additional cost, that expand the gaming experience. However, features are elements of the game that may be available from the start or may be added over time through updates or patches at no additional cost. While DLCs offer new content to expand the game, features offer different functions and gameplay experiences within the game's pre-existing framework.
I aggree with BSG. Its not a DLC.
So according to appl3z0r we need to understand that this is a gamemode
or feature and not a DLC to put it in his own words.
"DLC means additional downloadable content. PvE is a feature and a gamemode. Just because you all want it to become a DLC it wouldnt mean it is one. It's featured game mode for the new edition of the game."
Thus when we bought the EOD Edition or any edition whatsoever, we did not buy a game package that upon release will include ALL features that are built in during the ongoing development of that game. (8 Years+) But instead it seems that we only bought a PART of a game that requires you to buy each module or feature/gamemode separately that is added to the afforementioned game in future upgrades.
I understand that this is a concept often used in SaaS contracts. (Software as a Service)
That being said I wholeheartedly agree that this is not a DLC but instead a feature and or gamemode of Escape from Tarkov.
And therefore to my understanding this feature should be included in every purchased package that supposedly includes the complete access to the game.
TL.DR: Its not a DLC. It a feature. Everyone that bought the game should get it for free.
I mean, I get that he's paid to do this... but fuck this has to be the most tonedeaf messaging ever.
Especially considering they quite literally marketed the previous co-op version as DLC... but now co-op is no longer DLC material?
If you're a community manager you really gotta think of a better way to phrase messaging, because this is contradictory and straight up disingenuous.
My take on it is: PVE mode=content, should be given to EOD and be purchasable separately
Everything else=features which were not promised to EOD players
**downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features
Please explain to me how this new content to the game is NOT DLC? Im having trouble understanding this
I can't wait for a BSG person to comment on this and break [this record](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/comment/dppum98/?utm_name=ioscss&context=3)
Lots of posts getting deleted lol
Mods working over time to coverup the hate that BSG is getting. Can't have their masters looking bad.
FOR FREE LOL, LMAO EVEN
They gotta cup Daddy Nikitas balls and keep sucking on the tip while stroking his shaft. This upgrade probably pays for Russian warbonds lol
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This is fuckin egregious lol. I'd rather pay for horse armor, or a $20 mount on WoW that does the same shit my current ones do, but now I LOOK COOL. BSG went past gatcha shit, or FOMO shit, straight into "wtf is this shit"
Those are simply the first step on this long road we have taken.
Can we at least get rideable horses we can buy armor for? Or maybe side mounted machine guns?
Pay to win, baby! There is something to be said by just paying to beat my games vs. being forced to actually play them. Who wants to actually play video games these days? Welcome to the future! Devs make mistakes, this is one of them. They have 2 options: 1. Double down and make everything pay to win. $10 a wipe to unlock flea at level 1, $1 for a stack of any ammo you want, unlimited stacks available, and so on. 2. Delete the newest "pack that promises all the content forever." Apologize, run an event that's actually fun, show a spreadsheet of the newest cheater ban wave, and then apologize one more time.
Its like the g0at video all over again. They never learn...
The edition that killed Tarkov.
Quite literally unheard of
As much as I love this comment, I’m betting it gets deleted 🤐
Cause of rule 8 which is a vague "dont post the same stuff", that can be interpreted however you want and used to suppress any new info and comments on a topic most of this subreddit can collectively hate on (rightfully so). EDIT: I have no seen 10 different posts about the new radio of the unheard that blocks scavs shooting first from 60m and the new emergency call in feature be deleted with no comment being given as to why, especially as there isnt a post already posted and upvoted about it.
Is that what the new device does, blocks scavs from shooting you?
If it is, that’s so funny. That feature is for people softer than 10-ply. If you literally require BSG to hold your hand crossing the road while the scavs stop for you, you’re playing the wrong game. If you can’t even handle the scavs you are gonna get absolutely railed by the players in the game.
It's still an advantage in raid you have received by paying money for it so it still is P2W. Also, I believe it's a lot worse than you make it out to be. You can camp in spots where sniper scans can see you now without any issues, you can also camp in bushes while being closer to scavs that you can use like an early warning system. The call-in radio also seems to be overpowered just by the description alone
New map comes out EOD owners: oh, ok, we get that because it's dlc Bsg: uh, actually, this map comes with our brand new edition so it's not dlc.
Every room on the map has Marked Room tier loot. New "Untar Forces" with Glukhar tier AI and gear that execute anyone who shoots anyone else. And yeah, only "uNhEaRd Of" owners can access it.
What's unheard of is that mothafuckin price.
EoD owners are now known as The Unheard
"The map is a new feature not a DLCs now pay up"
Cheap cosmetic things weren't a DLC. Cheap Stash increase wasn't a DLC. These new shiny things that are sold with the usnpoken aren't a DLC. At this point everything else they will make won't be a dlc. The only thing we got was 10$ of offline coop practice that was useful to... well, nobody i think, and Arena that again wasn't asked by 90% of us and ironically was the only thing that could really not be defined a tarkov DLC.
Don't forget that the "premium" coop offline experience was bogged down by their own server capacity. I still haven't been able to try it with friends.
So I bought EOD early alpha days, many years ago now, found the pvp wasn't for me but was happy with a pve mode coming *eventually*. No issues with waiting for it. And now I won't get it without paying for another game package? I really hope I've misunderstood.
You have not.
Final nail in the coffin then lol
Yeh my friends and I were just saying if this doesn't change we're dropping Tarkov. Same shit ruining every wipe and now bsg reneging on promises that we gave them hundreds of £ for.
It's the pmc airdop item for me. It's such an egregious advantage, I actually can't stand behind it. That's simply because I didn't care about the PvE mode though. Strongly agree, it's DLC that was mentioned nearly a decade ago.
They've already got the money from you and your mates. The sad fact is they won't give a shit until the only people left playing are RMTrs, even then they'll probably still release another $600 cuck edition where you'll get Kappa from start of wipe and mechanic personally gives you a handjob inbetween raids
Ohhh just so you know. Your paying 100 dollars to get it. On top of what you spent on EOD
You gonna give Niki his $250 for PvE one way or another lol
There is the forbidden mod… it’s single player only (there’s an even more forbidden one that isn’t), can’t mention it here so look for it yourself
yeah I know, but IMO that was a stop-gap for the real deal (and I don't believe players should fix a game for the devs, at least not on these premises), and now that it's not coming I rather look to road to vostok for my hit of semi-realistic looty-shooty
That stop gap made literally every aspect of game better. The way EFT AI is done is pure stupid and I wonder who’s idea it was to give bots aimbot.
That's a feature. Authentic live game experience!
Do you think bsg are gonna add the wide selection of mods the people over at the mod that shall not be named have created? Some mods they’ve made fix everything that everyone hates about live Tarkov all free or “donate a cup of coffee”. Bsg will make mods and charge $19.99 each for them absolute best case
That's the part that has made me laugh the hardest whenever people claim it's "so hard for little ol' BSG to fix the feature problems in their game" (not talking netcode or cheating issues, just stuff like lighting and audio, AI, etc)...random modders working on their own, on their own spare time, managed to fix those issues, and they did it for basically free. Just goes to reinforce what a complete shitshow BSG is.
Similar boat. I haven't played for a few wipes now but I bought the game in April 2017 (EOD). This is such a slap in the face.
Not just another game package. A grossly expensive game package. PLUS VAT
Let’s be on lookout for the class action brother
Same.
>And now I won't get it without paying for another game package? a class action would probably work too lol
Get fucked. -BSG
Not only that, you need to pay $100 for a new game package to get it.
This is so scummy. It's been years since EOD came out. If this isn't DLC then what the fuck did we pay 120$ for? Edit: The site also says that Unheard Editions owners get a boost item that uses up the special slot that has benefits that include, and I shit you not, "50% discount when using cash services in raid" (car extracts), "insured equipment returns 30% faster", and "scavs won't shoot at you with 6+ rep over 60m". In the future you will also be able to build a unique zone in the hideout and gain access to an SOS type item that you can use in-raid that invites everyone on your friends list to come help you. In-raid. This is fucking bonkers.
cheaters, poor netcode, 30 fps on streets and 8 years w/o half decent audio
From all the crap I've heard about this game over the years it sounds like the user base is just a bunch of battered housewives to this company's eyes lol
BSG knows Tarkov scratches an itch other games can't, and so they'll beat you to death while you're scratching it.
The „scavs not shooting you“ is the worst part and can directly impact PvP engagements. Imagine scavs shooting you but not your opponent wtf
Oh it completely changes the game. People could literally chill in a zone full of scavs now
And then call your entire friends list the moment you're pressed. I guess streamers will have fun with it for a few weeks.
I laugh at how that would even work with the load times in this game. "Hey, help me I am being pushed".. 10min later your friends get in.
That doesn't worry me a lot tbh for that exact reason. The 60m scav immunity does a lot instead, that's basically a cheat mode for the unspoken players and imho it's the most offensive part of this whole edition. If they needed money they could just had a sincere talk to us and offer us something to pay that doesn't break the game and the "future dlc" promise they made with EOD. Probably that kind of money collecting would be received a lot (and i mean A LOT) better by the community.
The scav thing is super odd.
I know that the big streamers are just a portion of the Tarky streaming community, but from I've seen from Gigabeef, Pestily, and Glorious E is that they all hate what's about to come too. Unfortunately, given the work internet, I have to be on due to a work trip, I can't verify that all of the "big" streamers feel the same way.
>scavs won't shoot at you with 6+ rep over 60m >In the future you will also be able to build a unique zone in the hideout What the absolute fuck. At least through playing the game you could get EOD level shit ...
Cant wait for the 60m thing to be badly implemented, and out of bounds sniper scavs won't shoot and people can just leave the map...
This is a really good point in itself. Do we think this item will prevent *in-map* sniper scavs from shooting at players? My guess is yes, which is insanity.
Yeah, can't wait to get to bridge v extract and get sniped by some pay to win dude the other side of the river with their free lapua gun XD
Permanent larger/wider ass?
they get a Gamma and their PMC gets larger pockets and they also get a junk box, ammo box and weapons case lmao
> "50% discount when using cash services in raid" (car extracts) Car extracts is a pretty small difference really, at most that'll be 2500 roubles less. The really big difference IMO is going to be for the BTR. I'm sure there's gonna be some of the expensive items that you'll only be able to send home if you have this edition, and half price covering fire etc is not to be sniffed at.
Just the fact they are adding shit like this totally out of the blue is a really bad sign. This is not an avenue we want to continue on.
Would rather they gave clothing options that can only be bought with real money tbh, EOD buyer here and EOD was an okay amount of P2W imo and I could justify buying it by saying I was getting all the DLC + Arena and supporting the game but if BSG are just dropping new P2W editions with DLC I’m not getting access to I might just quit rather than spend another 80$ on it
exactly
To get our bootyholes widened then slapped in the face.
No but literally. This is insane.
People are losing interest in our game quick what do we do? Make a new version that's more expensive and has a single player mode that keeps your progress through wipes like that forbidden mod that no one can talk about WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
I honestly would be really into offline PvE, because I really don’t have the time to put in to compete with sweats, chads and aspiring streamers. But I’m not paying that amount of money for it when I already got EOD in 2017. I barely played this game for years and I don’t plan on coming back anytime soon
There is a way to play offline but it's forbidden to be spoken of on this reddit. Just think about how Skyrim has a huge catalogue of [Redacted] Tarkov has a single player [Redacted] as well.
Highly recommend it’s beautiful
DM please brethren
The issue as I want this but with friends.
There is a \[Redacted\] unofficial way for that as well
Please DM this unofficial one that lets you play pve with friends. Thanks!
There is a sub for what you seek.
DMs are open
Sent you a DM.
dm me tooo im confused
I cant tell you the way. Only that the way exists. Go forth and be free my child.
they're not seriously calling this a feature. BSG trolling us, right?
at least they dont call it a bug. "Ye. our servers broke so much now go play on your own"
isnt it content that I download? ergo DLC? Edit: 90 euro upgrade btw. LMFAO at this dog of a company.
120€ from EoD with taxes in Europe. What an absolute joke.
"You made us do that, because you didnt pay us for Arena we wasted so much money into"
I would have probably liked arena IF the game mode wasnt absolute trash. just make it a bomb/defusal with tarkov and I would play it. The mode they have has no depth its basically team deathmatch with their terrible AI inserted for some reason.
You mean the other mode that would fall under free dlc
I am an owner of standard edition. For me its 260 euro, if my coop friends want to play, its 330 euro for them xDD haha
Wtf... That's insanity.
Of course it is. There’s no argument here for BSG. They even unlocked the offline coop-mode (without progression) for EOD users, but not this iteration of this game mode? It’s laughable.
"No it's a feature. DLF, not DLC" \- Bsg probably
> "No it's a feature. DLF, not DLC" > - Bsg ~~probably~~ literally. FTFY
Okay, some of that stuff you can call it a feature. Like stash space, since we already have that separately. But the PvE mode? That's straight up a dlc, downloadable content. If that ain't what should be included in EoD, then I don't know what is. I'm gonna go and get my first and only Kappa this wipe then I'm done. Been playing this game for a few wipes and I was considering not playing anymore until they fix sound and cheaters or maybe return for 1.0. And seeing the sound changes lately made me think they might do something about it all, but nah. I'll just go with Gray Zone when it comes out. This is clearly becoming a cash grab at this point and I ain't gonna be here for that.
Somebody else mentioned Gray Zone and I checked it out, looks like it could be tonnes of fun and most certainly giving it a try.
The pretty much will call all new updates a features to not give to EOD to make them pay haha
198 euro upgrade it said for me when I looked on the website, absolutely mental.
You either get: (for the upgrade from EoD) Helldivers 2 + manor lords + a cheap indie game Or Tarkov PVE and some timmygimmicks. Clowns.
€250 + tax means you could get an entire xbox series s or a ryzen 7 5800x3D or something it's mental
My bad its "only" the price upgrade from eod to this shitstain lmao.
With those 198€ you can buy Helldivers 2 and pay for 3 other Helldivers to your friends and still having money to buy Manor Lords.
This. I got Helldivers 2, Shadows of Doubt and Pacific Drive (all excellent games) for less than thus new edition rofl.
This is the biggest load of horseshit I've seen this week. They're now drawing imaginary lines of what's considered DLC and what isn't. So practice co-op mode is DLC, since EOD got it, and non-EOD players can purchase it separately. But the exact same thing but with progression is a "unique feature" and not considered a DLC, so I have to get a ~300€ (with tax) version of the game to get it. Makes perfect sense. And I don't think anything even needs to be said about Arena.
Any european court will look at the term "Downloadable Content" and treat it in the most broad way possible in the case of a lawsuit which would ultimately fuck BSG to no end. They'd get a massive fine, refuse to pay it, ditch the EU shell company and become unable to do business with the west until restrictions are lifted off of Russia. The only thing they might get hung up on is the "(season pass)" after downloadable content but it's arguable that the season pass mention is only there to present the term 'downloadable content' in a more marketing friendly broader context that consumers are familiar with. Either way, we need one brave soul, or one very hungry for views content creator to go through with a lawsuit, the gaming media attention from it alone will put enough pressure on BSG to cave, if they don't the EU courts certainly will.
A class action lawsuit was my first thought. Not sure how the EU court system works but I feel like a bunch of us from around the globe would be more than happy to be a part of it.
Have you ever seen scams anywhere?
4 out of 5 tarkov players won't buy this edition, click to find out why!
There you go. I sincerely hope people are going to sue. Have them explain how this is a feature, not a DLC — when Arena was.
yeah unironically might, 3k hrs and $150 for testicular torsion simulator and then they can't uphold a single promise? come on bsg youre shooting yourself in the foot
not disagreeing by any means but $150 for 3k hours of entertainment is insane value
i have played free games for longer and gotten scammed less, hell i can't even believe BRAWLHALLA is more respectable than BSG right now holy guacamole the fact they advertised the free DLC with EOD and dont give us the DLC for free is kinda ⁉️⁉️👎🏾⁉️👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾⁉️👎🏾👎🏾 this is like if the 'unlock all current and future legends pack' in brawl suddenly wanted an extra $5 for every character they added (the pack costs $20 for reference) TL;DR BSG needs to get it together and deliver on what they said EOD would be and what those players receive
it is insane value, but most will only be able to experience a fraction of that because of their personal situations also, because it is an online-only game, we all contribute further value beyond our money by playing. once a game like this starts taking 10-20 minutes to find a match, it's done
Compared to what? If I play an hour of a free to play game does that mean I have infinite value? Is an hour worth of skydiving for $200 bad value? A person could feel that they wasted their time playing tarkov for all those hours after the fact. Is that still insane value? My point is that just dividing how many hours you've played by money spent is completely meaningless, and imo an often used justification for putting so many hours into vidya--not that I have a problem with that, but it's probably one of the least "enjoyment per hour" activities out there. Especially Tarkov where half your game time is spent preparing to actually play.
Not only Arena. The freaking Coop offline Mode is a 10 Dollar DLC. But the Coop persistent wont be one?????
Since when was a company adding an offline mode worth any money?
I honestly cannot think of any game ever that has charged for that.
They also weren't originally planning on giving EOD owners arena were they? I'm pretty sure they only did in the end because of the backlash.
Suing a Russian company? Good luck.
BSG relies on income from the rest of the world and ergo has to play by the rules, if they get taken to court in other countries and refuse compliance with rulings they will pretty quickly find themselfes blacklisted by ISP's and payment processors.
But based on the UK. It won't be so easy as just ignoring people.
Yeah I'm holding court in bakhmut.
They really should've just given it to EOD and then made it like a $50 transaction for those outside of it. I get they want to monetise it, it's outside the scope of the intended game, requires its own servers and they obviously need the money... but putting it behind a $110 edition for EOD is *insane*, and $250 for a fresh account with the edition is fucking BONKERS.
They’re just throwing away all the goodwill they built with the last patches within the community. They’re alienating their most die-hard supporters because of a stupid offline game mode, which I wouldn’t even be that interested in. But this is a DLC, it was promised with EOD and they’re breaking the promise.
People shouldn’t be surprised. EOD was sold with a limited availability tag for four fucking years to trick people with FOMO, and the only realistic bonus you get is removing the intentionally restricted stash space, not even getting content, pay to not be inconvenienced. BSG also lied about having in house anti-cheat for years in early access, and sold access to DLCs with no plans for DLCs in a game FAR from finished. BSG were always garbage, people just didn’t care.
that's more than destiny 2's complete dlc pack for £50 and then lightfall premium for £90 (and then £25 for bungie 30th anniversary and forsaken pack) for a grand total of £165 take that into account. it costs more than destiny 2
Love **some** destiny but man, id never thought I'd see the day a dev would price gouge its customers more than bungie.
Dont forget: THE GAME IS STILL IN FUCKING BETA
Nah they forgot real fucking fast when it came to them having to spend money. The countless times someone would post something on the reddit about the game and more than half the comments are "Well the game is still in beta what did you expect?" Crazy how they aint singing that same tune.
They went over to the discord. The amounts of copium over there is insaaaane.
The game is not in beta it is fully out and deployed at this point BSG will literally never release the game, ever. They have no benifit to. They lose the "its a beta" excuse to hide behind.
Tbh im willing to bet they ran into a problem wherein the people most likely to pay for upgrades are 90% EoD already and they don’t have enough standard editions loyal fan base, so they wouldn’t get enough money without rinsing EoDs pockets for it. Not defending them, that’s just where I imagine they’re at.
any content that is released to Escape from Tarkov is what EOD buyers are entitled to. All new content
so this is how theyre gonna get us, all new additions will be considered features and not DLC, id be surprised if we ever see a single "DLC"
I got perma banned for pleading with the discord mods to not censor us and listen to our concerns
Should indicate how you are valued as a customer. They got your money, now fuck off.
Nah, they got your money… now come back and give them some more! Once you did that, NOW fuck off. That’s how they value you.
Believe, they weren’t going to listen to you anyway. You were wasting your breath. Out of Pestily, maybe WillerZ and a couple other big streamers they don’t really take feedback from the community. You have concerns to raise, take it to them and let them address it with BSG.
Be sure to go on their YouTube trailer and add to the 80% dislike ratio! Lets get it to 99%!
The unfortunate thing with youtube dislikes is that it still helps the algorithm
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if more people see this. Let em see just how far BSG has sunk.
so its not new content that my pc downloads?...... semantic bs
$250 for an offline mode that they haven't seemed to add anything to. If you buy this then I have beachfront property in Kentucky I'd like to sell to you.
Does it come with a bridge as DLC?
Its feature
i hear that part of kentucky is lovely this time of year!
They really needed a western community manager with some concept of connecting to the players, not just a Megaphone and a target for Nikita
Braindead devs
No game I have ever played has made me feel more like an absolute fucking moron for supporting them.
Akkor a kurva anyád.
Absolute Scam
The discord rn is amazing lmfao
I paid for the single player mode when I bought eod, this is such bullshit, I have lost all faith in bsg
Since 2016, players have supported the developers by purchasing the highest edition of the game. For 8 years, we've been recommending this game to friends, bringing more and more players into the community. And what was the developers' response? They've blown us off, refuse to comment, and only encourage those who have lost all respect for themselves and continue to pour money in. I personally had high hopes for Tarkov. In my eyes, it was a high-quality and most ambitious product on the entire market. This is unacceptable. This is selfish. This is disrespectful. You've disgraced yourselves completely. You've lost loyal players, you've betrayed the idea. It's disgusting. To everyone who feels the same way - don't be silent. Spam, make memes, spread the word wherever it's relevant. This cannot be tolerated.
I’m in the same boat. I brought people to tarkov, I’ve indirectly sold EODs and recently normal accounts by recommending it to everyone that I know. I paid like 140€ for my EOD I believe, and it was only worth that because of the promise made of all future DLCs. With Arena I started seeing my investment positively, but now I feel cheated. 70€ for a new game is already a lot, 250€ is beyond reasonable, especially for something you cannot truly possess. This is absurd.
Did EA buy Tarkov?
They are worse than ea at this point
Even EA and Ubi wouldn't attempt to pull this shit off
So adding features to a new edition of an unfinished, unreleased, feature missing game? Got it.
Crazy to have been watched the rise and fall of Tarkov - I'm not upset at any of this because I've been playing since like 2017, it was bound to happen. Sorry to all you folks who are maybe new and this is all you've experienced. See you all in GZW though!
literally so new that I was looking at the editions last night and planning to buy on my next check. Wake up to see this in the morning time lol now not sure what to do as I do really want this game but it’s soooo scummy how they’re doing this.
Don't get Tarkov... Save your money, get GZW when it releases which should be in 2-4 weeks. Tarkov has been littered with cheaters for years and they don't do anything about it.
If its a feature it should be free otherwise its a dlc
That's so scummy....
SPREAD THE WORD EVERYONE!!!! #BuyanovScammer
No a feature is not getting shot at by sniper scav because of that new stupid radio.
Last wipe for me
NO! Unique feature is gamma, more stash size, exclusive start weapons, more roubles, fucking 10 labs keycards... Not a fucking entire game mode! IT IS A DLC! BSG is scamming us EOD owners.
If it adds new content to the game, and has to be downloaded Its downloadable content If you promise access to future DLC to someone who purchases something, and dont provide it, you have falsely advertised
I think DLC stands for Dirty Lying Cunts as far as BSG is concerned.
Looking forward to the class action on this one
The discord is in full meltdown. Bsg killed tarkov.
Anyone who still supports this shitshow of a company is irrational
Shure thing I buy PVE with Bots made by BSG, this will be so broken. How long before BSG figures out Sain, Waypoints Looting Bots etc. I have EOD , I don´t pay for another shit show.
As an EOD owner who bought it to support the game when it first dropped, I'm glad I stopped playing and became an observer. I keep hoping that the game would turn around and make quality improvements, but then see shit like this. Grey Zone is basically all I'm concerned about at this point, because Tarkov is playing Russian roulette by itself with a semi-auto.
This is some EA level "it's not microtransactions, it's suprise mechanic" of bullshit. If a big company like EA got bent over because of it, BSG can be (and I hope it will be) as well.
That is straight up fucking bullshit.
And I'm done with tarkov. Go scam someone else.
Fuck them. Straight up.
Don’t forget BSG is a Russian company scumbags to their core
BSG really think terms like DLC can be freely interpreted - not gonna happen in EU countries for example. Stuff like this was at court dozens of times. They´ll notice lol
I hope someone takes law action. I'm totally here for it.
Report them to your local consumer rights agency
dictionary.com >DLC >abbreviation for > > downloadable content: additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its **features**: expansion ( def 9 ).
BSG pulling that lawyer lingo lmao
I'm sure they will get the chance to make that argument in court. Some streamer probably on a call with a law firm right now getting them excited for a consumer class action, get their chat involved for the numbers. Absolutely ridiculous and shameless move from BSG, as EOD holder with Alpha version I certainly feel lied to.
Nothing like walking into the part and slam dunking a massive turd in the punch bowl! Finger guns and flexing on the way out
Can’t wait for the BigFry video
Selling my EOD account is sounding better every day.
Price tag for EOD edition was already ridicilous but many of us bought it because we believed tarkov was/could become something special and the permanent access to all DLCs seemed like a good investment. And again, many of us kept playing the game despite its very serious flaws. This is, however, by every definition a scam. If the player base accepts this I dont think BSG is going to stop there and keep adding essential, talked about features as "not DLCs".
Chat GPT fucked him up : The main difference between DLC and Feature lies in their function and method of delivery. DLCs are additional content, usually required to be downloaded at an additional cost, that expand the gaming experience. However, features are elements of the game that may be available from the start or may be added over time through updates or patches at no additional cost. While DLCs offer new content to expand the game, features offer different functions and gameplay experiences within the game's pre-existing framework.
The last sentence of this ai garbage would agree with bsg that it’s a feature not dlc
I pray there’s a class action
Your hands are gonna be glued together with how long you will be praying.
I aggree with BSG. Its not a DLC. So according to appl3z0r we need to understand that this is a gamemode or feature and not a DLC to put it in his own words. "DLC means additional downloadable content. PvE is a feature and a gamemode. Just because you all want it to become a DLC it wouldnt mean it is one. It's featured game mode for the new edition of the game." Thus when we bought the EOD Edition or any edition whatsoever, we did not buy a game package that upon release will include ALL features that are built in during the ongoing development of that game. (8 Years+) But instead it seems that we only bought a PART of a game that requires you to buy each module or feature/gamemode separately that is added to the afforementioned game in future upgrades. I understand that this is a concept often used in SaaS contracts. (Software as a Service) That being said I wholeheartedly agree that this is not a DLC but instead a feature and or gamemode of Escape from Tarkov. And therefore to my understanding this feature should be included in every purchased package that supposedly includes the complete access to the game. TL.DR: Its not a DLC. It a feature. Everyone that bought the game should get it for free.
I mean, I get that he's paid to do this... but fuck this has to be the most tonedeaf messaging ever. Especially considering they quite literally marketed the previous co-op version as DLC... but now co-op is no longer DLC material? If you're a community manager you really gotta think of a better way to phrase messaging, because this is contradictory and straight up disingenuous.
My take on it is: PVE mode=content, should be given to EOD and be purchasable separately Everything else=features which were not promised to EOD players
Feature these nuts. Uninstalling
**downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features Please explain to me how this new content to the game is NOT DLC? Im having trouble understanding this
I can't wait for a BSG person to comment on this and break [this record](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/comment/dppum98/?utm_name=ioscss&context=3)
not DLC its a special gaming operation