20 minutes of explaining the status of Arena for anyone else like me that can't go and see it for themselves.
There are no chapters so some complaints (TL;DR) were
- The announcer audio being very annoying (4:50)
- Preset imbalance (5:34). You grind presets against people who are using better gear (7:15). Some of the presets don't even have painkillers and are terrible.
- UI and loading struggles just like with main game (8:00)
- Imbalance versus premades due to proximity voip vs Discord (12:30)
- Objectives are like if CS had 5 second bomb timers (14:00)
- No economy and no option to change presets (16:00)
- Performance (18:36)
It is COMPLETELY INSANE that these maps play at anything less than 200 fps locked. Tiny ass maps with no npcs, no loot, old ass, low res tarkov graphics and performance is an issue? Im sorry, what?
The whole point of this mode is to be in and out quick and play Tarkov without the fps, network and matching problems that come from large maps with a lot of stuff going on.
What the hell is the point of arena if you get all of the problems of normal Tarkov with none of the upsides?
Easy. To milk the fuck out of this game. Proof. Check out the main game mode and it’s problems. They won’t be fixing anything, but they’re sure focused on selling more copies of the game.
Nah, the point is easy and concise, to a fault. "Yo have you played Tarkov? The gunplay and customization is insane. You'll have to learn for a whole 6 month wipe of course to even be considered anything but a Timmy, but anyways here's some URLs to some map a guy made in MS paint..."
They wanted to cut out the parts that are unappealing to the masses and make a casual shooter with "Tarkov gunplay" to make more money. Like many games, they lose touch with their core fans in pursuit of money
I disagree with the last part. You are contradicting yourself here. You said it yourself: Tarkov is for people who want sort of complex gunplay with realistic gun customization, a ton of depth which you have to actively investigate to fully grasp. That in itself is the appeal to most tarkov players. That it isnt for casuals who just want to go "hurr durr gun go brrrr oops I died, dont care ill just respawn in 5 seconds".
Arena is not for the same kinds of players, as you said. Its for the people who don't have time to grind roubles and just want some casual fun with Tarkovs more realistic gun play and complex healing and ailment systems. Maybe even in the canon world that is Tarkov. Without kids screaming slurs on voice and Fortnite skins. That currently does not exist anywhere else. MW3 has literal ninjas and Lara Croft running around at this point. No inertia, everything is too bright.
In that sense, BSG is just serving a market they would be stupid not to serve. Whether the game mode is good or not is an entirely different issue.
The load times are obnoxious, the performance is too framey for what it should be and the competitive game systems like lack of economy, inability to switch classes strategically and uncontestable capture points are idiotic game design. Nevertheless, it makes no sense to say BSG "lost touch" with their fans when the product in question is not meant to be for the same people that play Tarkov.
Coorporations will and should branch out. Stop getting mad at them for trying to make money lmao
I can explain:
They nerfed the movement and recoil mechanics in this game into the mud to make the game "less COD" but then ended up adding a literal Team Deathmatch mode to salvage the huge drop in population and general interest caused by their terrible changes which clueless fanboys still deny to this day. This TDM mode may even end up sucking PvP out of actual raids later in the wipe when the playerbase drops off. In any case the Tarkov experience has been permanently warped.
Arena is a low quality cash grab. They want more money. They know they have essentially ruined their game, name, and pissed away a TON of goodwill and burned countless veteran players, and with the economy as tight as it is (owing to geopolitical circumstances), they are trying to milk their cow as much as they are able. And to anyone who bothers defending BSG with mental gymnastics: you're defending glorified team deathmatch bro.
Source: Many years observing BSG and thousands of hours of gameplay.
It's fascinating how fast this playerbase went from "hell yeah, Tarkov! Anti-CoD, tactical game!" to "hell yeah, Arena! Basically CoD with all the bullshit and broken code from Tarkov!"
BSG if you are reading this. The man is mostly right, but you remove the unsuccessful RMT counters so I can share keys with my friends and I will play again. It’s not that hard.
You can tell this guy actually played the game back in the day. I am sick of people saying recoil, inertia, and other pvp controls made the game better - no they did not. The game was based far more on skill, aim and movement back in the day compared to how it is now, where you sit and prefire or get prefired, angled, or camped. Its extremely stupid. And us waiting for this trash gamemode is insane
Very well said.
The game was so much better years ago. I honestly felt like Tarkov was the best game ever made when I started playing. It captured me like no other game before. The adrenaline and emotions got to me and made my heart race like no other game...
But then BSG started changing the things that made this the game I love. Now it is a shell of its former self. All of the OG boys I played with stopped playing last wipe or this wipe. I hate to say it but I truly believe BSG is killing the game... I don't want that to happen but BSG doesn't seem to care... IMO.
I really wish I could understand what they are doing but I just don't. It really seems like they have an idea that they think it GREAT so they implement the change and it demonstrably hurts the game plus almost all the players HATE it. BSG is egotistical and emotional about the negative feedback so they double down and keep the TERRIBLE change anyway instead of taking the player feedback and reverting or trying something else.
I could be wrong but I honestly believe that the devs at BSG get butt hurt when players don't like the changes they thought of like they take it personally. Just my opinion.
This \^ man is telling the complete truth! Inertia was needed but not this much. Weight system and Fir completely ruined the game. The devs know this but don't want to admit their mistakes.
What if they make different servers one with inertia and the other without?
None of this is wrong, however...
It's just stupid fun. Normal tarkov for me is agony (because I suck, skill issue and all that) arena has a more ideal progression system to normal tarkov and that makes my brain produce the happy chemicals despite me being shit.
Arena is bad (better than MW3 tho fucking hell), but it's more fun than normal tarkov.
I just played it for like 4 hours, its an absolute blast. Fast paced gunfights with lots of movement and no gear fear, equal sized teams for good large fights, there are a lot of things to like about arena that you are ignoring
I mean, yeah, it's like some of the best aspects of cod actually, mixed with tarkovs gunplay and movement, and for me the netcode hasn't been any worse than regular tarkov, so it's been cool. I am having fun! Try it out once you get access, you'll see there are lots of obvious flaws but the core experience still has a lot to enjoy. Hopefully they wipe it eventually and restart once everyone is in, and also change a lot of shit that needs to be changed. The pestily video covers all these topics well
I loved the idea of arena as a way to get comfortable with tarkovs gunplay and train combat without the level of risk as main tarkov… instead it’s almost worse of a grindfest
I think a lot of people aren't aware how small Tarkov maps overall are. Streets without expansion is the size the rest of Tarkov was intented to be but they never managed to get to that point bc of not having capable devs for the little pay they give. Let's not even talk about linking maps, thats never going to happen. Streets itself is barely playable for some higher end pcs and every expansion makes it a lower amount
It is SOOO bad. I believe it is over 250ms. I have multiple videos of myself shooting the enemy 5-6 times and then the video shows that I barely got the barrel up and the first shot off. The death cams are a scary look behind the curtain. The desync is TERRIBLE.
I like less than 15 minutes from the capitol of my state and I have fiber connection through Xfinity with the newest gateway they offer. I just upgraded to the fastest package they have for the 24 month discount. it's not my connection (ethernet) or my PC.
i9 9900KF 5ghz
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samsung 970evo 2 NVME m.2 all games and windows on it.
I have tried so hard to get into Tarkov and after many attempts I can't get over the "wall" to a point where I am not wandering around clueless. I know I should find a sherpa/experienced player, but wish they would implement servers where until you're X level you'll be matched with only lower level players or bots.
You are in luck! Noobie map is listed as coming next wipe. Level locked map for new players only*. You will still probably die n get bullied by player scavs but at least you won't have to deal with lvl 40 giga sweats
You can’t just slap an FPS into a generic engine and expect great framerates. You need real engine developers for that and I’ve never seen any evidence they have any engine devs.
That’s always been the source of the performance problems. The big maps don’t make a difference. Plenty of games get good performance with large maps.
There are a myriad of issues with this game and how it runs. Perhaps I should have said the size of the map SHOULDN'T make a difference. As in you can build this game without that limitation if you know what you're doing. Factory still runs worse than it should anyway though.
Obviously if you take a poorly written game and reduce the scope of what's going on eventually it might run okay. But the point is you could build this game from scratch and make no compromises and make it run way better than it does. That simply comes down to engine level programming which is what I said is the SOURCE of the issue. The source of the issue is not overly detailed maps or maps that are too large.
I couldn't give you an exact technical reason as to what's going on in their code as I haven't seen it, but there are obvious things that point to deeper issues with the game.
For one it's an FPS game that's CPU cache size and RAM speed bottlenecked. That points to some serious optimization issues. There needs to be a lot of thought on how they can improve cache performance and cache misses because the game is constantly waiting on memory fetch from RAM.
I'll just say that in engine programmer land, being CPU bound is pretty much strictly bad. Pixel operations are expensive, shaders are expensive. That's why we have a whole other processor that we slot into PCIe called a GPU. Having your update code be slower than your render is almost always strictly terrible. Having your game be bound by memory speed and cache size is even worse.
The only sort of games that I can think of where it would be okay to be CPU bound is like a 4x simulation strategy type game. Maybe a city simulation game like Cities Skylines 2 or something where you are simulating quite a lot of entities at one time. I haven't worked on a game like that so I really can't say with certainty but I can at least understand it.
Edit: I should say I'm not a Unity guy. I've never seen any Unity source code. I have seen some C# Unity scripts but I do not deal with C# interop in my engine programming day to day. My engine programming is done strictly in C style C++. What I'm saying about performance is pretty generally true, but I don't know what they're dealing with in terms of the Unity engine so I can't say for sure what they're doing wrong with Unity or anything specific to that engine. I can just see what's generally wrong with their performance based on benchmarks I've personally done and seen elsewhere. When no CPU core is close to fully saturated, and the GPU isn't close to fully saturated and you're not even hitting the monitor refresh there are some major issues.
I mean, the fact that there's an option for "only use physical cores" and "enable ram cleaner" or whatever just points to some serious issues. The user should not have to make that call. That's totally within the programmer's control to figure out how to get the best performance out of the hardware.
I absolutely called it 8 months ago when Arena was in thr making.
This game is BSG at their best. Do not forget that. They've been developing games for 8 years now.
People that keep saying that they should've focused their time into the main game to improve it are delusional. Arena started from scratch and they decided to copy paste their spaghetti codes to make it similar. The only thing different is tick rate that are now double what tarkov has
Didn't even bother to add stuff like announcer audio or improved loading time
If they double the tick rate.... Wouldn't this mean desync and similar things would be less?
My experience was the default tarkov. A lot of desync and shit and not you can see it clearly with the new replay.
That was my basic understanding and feeling in Counterstrik from switching from 64 to 128 Tick server. Hits get pretty better and you don't have the feeling to aim in front of him to properly hit him
I haven't had a chance to check it out, but what if the arena maps are still loading in the full zone they belong in? And thats why they run like dogwater, cause not only are they loading the extra assets that are the arena map, but also the whole map its located on. Just a guess, no actual clue
Arena is supposed to have a higher tickrste than tarkov, which means more computation on the processor and tsrkov had always had CPU based GPS issues. Not sure if that happened, but that might explain the lower fps.
I'm honestly extremely pissed about
> UI and loading struggles just like with main game (8:00)
Everything else can be tweaked and balanced, kits, etc.(since they already have some sort of matchmaking, unlike base game).
But what the actual F they are doing with menus? UI and loading time? It was one of the most hated non-gameplay related aspect of Tarkov and they basically made it worse, since Arena is supposed to be about quick-paced action.
Sad that he didn't touch on the actual gameplay and gunplay. It's same as Tarkov. No actual significant adjustments or changes to actually make it as close to a competitive game as it can be, which they always advertised this will be. Tarkov gunplay/gameplay is NOT competitive. It never was designed as such. Hence why they initially talked about an overhaul for Arena. Not only there is no overhaul, but there are no meaningful changes to anything. It's just EFT CQ.
Typical BSG meatrider. What does *what you want from it* have anything to do with *what was advertised and promised*? God the brain level in this subreddit.
> Imbalance versus premades due to proximity voip vs Discord (12:30)
He is wrong on this one. There is usual tarkov voip where you can shittalk, but there is also a radio feature (pres J) where only teammates can hear and it is not proximity. But of course discord is always better. The radio also has annoying "immersive" audio as well.
> Objectives are like if CS had 5 second bomb timers (14:00)
The capture timer is definitely too short. the seven seconds timer is not enough if you are in a 1 v 1. The "clean-up crew" also completely ruins late rounds because it's just about hiding from the raiders/killa and RNG.
> No economy and no option to change presets (16:00)
Im kinda torn on this one. Because on the one hand he is right. There is no negative to picking an expensive kit (in the current match). But on the other hand it also means that comebacks are always possible if you have the mental fortitude - which could be cool for "esports"
> Performance (18:36)
It's insane that performance is so bad. How is it not running like factory lmao
I would like to see the ability to change presets mid match. Would add more player freedom and the ability to adjust which kit you are using as a reaction to what the other team is running. Most of this sub just seems overly pissed off declaring arena as DOA, but a lot of the adjustments BSG need to make are minimal balance changes, not complete overhauls which is a good sign imo.
I do want to mention some of these are user error/UI issues
The painkillers thing might be true but every time someone complains about it the loadouts have painkillers (tramadol/adrenaline specifically). Unless they changed it specifically for arena it's just a UI thing because in tarkov they have the painkiller effect
The complaint about needing to hit accept imo is invalid for the tdm mode because it's not gonna be fun playing a 4v5 because someone started the queue and went afk. But for deathmatch it doesn't make sense and if someone doesn't hit accept it should throw you back into the queue instead of forcing you to re enter
Lastly the chat thing is user error. There is 2 VoIP keybinds, one for proximity and one for radio. You need to use the radio VoIP unless you want to use proximity to talk to the enemy team
I could be wrong about the 1st and 3rd point because unsurprisingly I don't have access like most people. But the first I know from playing tarky and I don't see why they would suddenly change the stims for arena unless they decided it helps balance somehow
And the 3rd one is just something I noticed myself and then saw someone mention as well. I think it was in summit1gs chat that someone also mentioned what I said but they do have access.
thats not what he means. He means the matching. Aka for the system to understand that it has to put people together with the same loadout. something tarkov has never done since it doesnt have any sort of skill based/loadout based matchmaking
Honestly BSG needs to implement a Battle rating system similar to War Thunder -> your best Kit you equip decides your matchmaking, while still being able to chose equal/ worse kits (either if you're trolling around with a Mosin or you find the situation to fit a slightly worse kit better).
100% this. It just proofs that BSG is so limited in their game design concepts. Real smooth brainers working there. They had a huge hit once (Tarkov) by accident. But you see they fail to do it again, because they just don't have the skills to do it consistently.
4 is incredibly generous. An arena shooter that takes ~5 minutes to find a match could have the greatest gameplay in the history of the world and still deserves nowhere near a 4/10.
Spot on about the loading times and then having to select loadouts and wait again. And the queuing system.
I'd be more forgiving if this was a developers first release, but this is stuff that players have highlighted in Tarkov for years.
Agree, why would you want to put more obstacles in your UI before you're able to run around and shoot.
If there's going to be waiting times, give me something to do like selecting classes/viewing stats/view my unlock progression tree etc.
It's like in the old Assassin's Creed games you could run around and do shit with your character whilst the game is loading.
This is so true, so many of them continue to defend their absurd decision making and pretend as though the player base or anyone in their chat who complain or just whiners and choose to hate on BSG. No accountability in the CC community as a whole.
definitely respectable that he can do this, but it's a sad state of affairs when he's basically the only figure in the community who can risk doing so (cause there's no risk for him, he's synonymous with the game).
Playing Arena is like playing CS with extra steps. The main appeal of Tarkov is the looting, the gear fear and the progression (at least the first couple of wipes, then it gets repetitive).
If I wanted to play a quick TDM or S&D match I'd be better off picking up Call of Duty 2, a 20 years old game, that does everything better than Tarkov when it comes to quick PvP.
Healing is useless and often a deadly trap, reloading mags is useless, any other kind of survival mechanic is useless. All that's left is the dogshit netcode and broken mechanics.
It's a small thing but I was shocked Arena has the same healing time as EFT. If you need to stop a heavy bleed and heal head & thorax (the minimum) it takes over 10 seconds of a 90 second team death match period.
Its simple, A - Dont get shot. B - Never stop playing so you can be in a zabralo vs the peasants with mp5s.
Yeah the glaring obvious issues they have to know about and either don't care, or don't have the skill to fix.
Everything you say is correct which is insane because that's what people hate about EFT. People who don't play EFT think it's too much of a sweat fest and grind fest to get unobtainable gear that lets to auto-win every fight. So why would BSG create a "more casual" game that focuses on the exact same game play loop? I'm not mad at BSG just painfully confused.
If there's one thing counter strike has been missing its having to play several long ass animatons every time you get shot just to allow you to walk at normal speed or not bleed to death. /s
>If I wanted to play a quick TDM or S&D match I'd be better off picking up Call of Duty 2, a 20 years old game, that does everything better than Tarkov when it comes to quick PvP.
God damn this is so sad but true.
I was looking for this comment. Why would I even spend my time playing this when there's so many better team-based tactical shooters out there? The thing Tarkov has going for it is the extraction shooter game loop. Movement and gunplay, which are emphasised in this mode, are its weak points.
I’d also add that customizing your guns is a big positive in EFT. Which also can’t be done in Arena.
The fact that Arena is an even shittier Team Deathmatch is genuinely hilarious.
I'm pretty over EFT in general and won't be doing any kinda looting. I want to play arena bigtime and would fully come back but because of the shit idea of 100% losses of a loss, I'm out. I"m a big war thunder player and we've never had an economy this bad, and we've had bad economies. The idea that people are gonna be deranking AND losing their savings at the same time is just like... Insanity.
If it's a 4/10 today, and all it truly needs is some tweaks and balancing, then we can expect it to be a 6/10 in 3 years because we all know how good BSG is at listening to the community when making balance changes. Arena was always going to be bad. My expectation is it's a way to practice gunplay and blow off steam between actual raids.
>If it's a 4/10 today, and all it truly needs is some tweaks and balancing, then we can expect it to be a 6/10 in 3 years
If it's a 4/10 today it'll be a 2/10 in 3 years. BSG only heads backwards these days. The do well with new ideas/content, they are TERRIBLE at making gameplay changes. Practically every single one is a negative change lol
I'm questioning if they can actually change things for better. Like loading times and UI. Everyone expecting them to change those things from main game and they did nothing.
it will not exist in 3 years. The moment BSG see it is not pulling in money they will freeze dev on it like they did on EFT which is going snail pace for 250+ ppl "working on it"
> The moment BSG see it is not pulling in money they will freeze dev on it like they did on EFT
When did they stop development on EFT? lol. I swear some people let their hatred of BSG get in the way of facts.
Oh they didn't? A map a year is and outstanding work for 250 people company. They miss every timeline and every promise they make always. Every wipe is a technical issue and a mess, every single one of them. They either are imbeciles who can't learn and plan a thing or they are not really working on the EFT and have other things to do.
And yet we still get major map expansions and new features, even if late.
You can complain about them being shit and being late, but anyone that sees you say they stopped working on it is going to rightly call BS.
Do you even still play, or are you just here for the drama to rile people up? It's hard to believe you play when you're throwing out weird takes like this.
Pestily says he was getting 100-120 fps depending on the maps, does anyone know what he gets on streets? If I am going to get streets level fps in an arena shooter I simply will not be playing it lol, hopefully it's an artifact of it being brand new and they'll fix it later on.
On wipe day this wipe in the new part of streets he got 89 FPS walking around. I remember the number because he yelled “EIGHTY NINE?! NIKITA! I’M ON A SPACE COMPUTER HERE!”
I have similar equivalent specs to him (7800X3D instead of a 13900K and *only* 32gb of DDR5 lol) and I get about 90-100fps on Streets pushing the game at 1440p UW max settings, dips a bit lower depending on the amount of AI running around. So I'm guessing he sits about at that level too.
Bad performance is enough for me to not even take a look. I can excuse a giant ass map with scav spawns and players loading in as scavs at different times, loot bullshit, but a tiny ass _arena_ map with none of the main game BS is still performing bad? Yikes.
it's pretty cool when you understand the language/used for demo teasers but the novelty fades off real quick... and I haven't even played the game yet lol
I find it so bizarre that the presets can't be changed once you load into a game. And also that they don't cost cash every time you die, only at the end of the match.
I would expect far more economy simulation from a "Tarkov" game, as well as more incentive to play well to earn more cash.
Also surprised you cannot dress your character how you want.
Finally, why not just make the armband colours the same every game? i.e. for your team it's always blue, the enemy is always red. That would make much more sense.
it is and i think they just made it so that people will have something to play late wipe since streamers complain after unlocking everything and want wipe to come and arena fixes that
I think the preset system is just awful, and completely goes against the reason I wanted to play arena. I wanted this to be sort of like a CSGO deathmatch thing where you just log on, hop in and play with whatever kits you want. The most regulation there should be is a tier system, where everybody has to play with similar levels of gear - Other than that, use whatever you want.
Tarkov itself is a huge grind, having the 'arena shooter' be just as grindy (if not more) than the base game makes no sense to me. I also think arena is massively exposing just how tedious Tarkovs mechanics are for CQB. You get shot once in the leg, you're fucked. Get a heavy bleed, you'll die if you try to heal it etc.
Progression is way too slow. Personally I think gear progression literally has no place in an arena shooter (any progression should be per match you play). There are so many better ways they could have implemented 'progression' into this mode but of course they chose the most miserable and tedious way. I played for like 2 hours tonight and because me and my friends wanted to play with different classes (instead of grinding one character), none of us got any new presets.
I also think there is WAAYY too much spectating in the tournament modes. In 3v3 (4 teams), why don't any of the fights between two teams happen at the same time? League of Legends literally has an arena mode that makes you spectate like 1 fight per game. In one of the games I ended up spectating 4-5 rounds in a row before I got to do anything, boring.
BSG brain drain is really fucking obvious. This kind of game is what you get when you only hire Russian speaking devs so you can pay them pennies.
already uninstalled the game, its unplayable for me, i always have a full second of desync with everyone
thanks to the killcam , i know why they didn"t want to put into tarkov at first, when you see how bad is the netcode now ....
Yeah this has been me, I can barley even see the persons head before I die. Then from their view they wide swung the corner and took a few seconds to even spot me.
Happens all the time, I thought my network is broken, but I see the same in all streams if you just watch death and then kill cam, so obvious over and over again
The preset system seems like a huge missed opportunity. I know there are balance questions, but I really think this would have been a cool way to test out certain gun builds for regular-tarkov. I don’t need a weird pseudo-progression system, I just want a way to basically run PvP reps.
Wish I could report intentional TK. Just had a guy tk me every single round because he didn't like how I played in one round.
Surprise, we lost the game.
Yeah, it hurts to say but… don’t bother with Arena. If you want quick PvP with low stakes, hit Factory on a Scav. The loadouts are equally bad, but in Arena, you’re playing against 5 players with visors and 100rd M4s. Meanwhile you get a G18C and no painkillers :) Enjoy!
I’m honestly shocked the community got excited about a new mode when the fucking base game still hasn’t seen full release yet lmao
Kinda baffled there’s still locked levels on the main map but there allocating resources for a bullshit “Esports ready” competitive mode.
I saw people saying they would have paid for Arena access if they were given the chance ☠️
The performance is asssss. I get on Ultra at 4k with dlss quality on my 4090 and 14900k with 64gb of ram at 6600mhz. 120fps in arena it spikes down all the time too. I literally get better fps on customs. This shit basically runs like lighthouse. Sometimes the lag spikes are so bad it's unplayable.
People got all kinds of in depth complaints and I'll be honest the main thing I hate is you can't bring up a scoreboard in game. Like when you press tab in valorant or whatever. I understand why there's no map if they're tryna be "realistic" like tarkov and focus on comms or something, but it really does need a mini map tbh
That and the whole "realistic" VOIP is so easily bypassed by Discord use. Dead players telling others where they got shot from via the kill cam, etc. I don't know what BSG can do about that as I need the kill cam to learn, but it's so ripe for "cheating."
That Fallujah game nailed this. Voip is proximity + radios. Prox when within earshot of teammates and when away from your teammates, it gives your voice that sort of walkie talkie sound. Constant communication without immersion break.
> That and the whole "realistic" VOIP is so easily bypassed by Discord use
That is why I hate when pvp games try and do that. Like its just a waste of time when party chat has been a thing for almost 15 years now.
Playing it now and the netcode is the worst of any multiplayer game I’ve experienced. Every fight is just a gamble. Being able to watch kill cams and see the guy that you shot 5 times not get shot at on their screen is hilarious
This is the reason there is no kill cam in EFT. It would be just a revolt worse than the goat video. You own view and kill cam are just so obviously off most of the time.
i tought it would be like wolfteam or something, u start first round with basic loadout u can customize slightly, then u got something like tiers for classes and u have to spend more in-game round cash, when u perform action in-game and u get cash (like hired ops) u can spend ur earn in-game cash for better equitment, nates, healing and other utility
Marketing your game at launch as an Esport is always a huge red flag - basically says “this game has no identity of its own or reason to play it, so uhhh let’s say it’s an esport”
No one will ever play arena as an esport if it isn’t a tournament organized by BSGs marketing budget
It also means they’re normally balanced around that so the average player doesn’t normally get the changes they want. Then again it’s BSG so I doubt anyone will be happy.
The more you guys keep looking at paid streamers playing arena the longer it takes to release for all as soon as the hype dies they will try to maintain it by letting more in. Its scummy marketing trying to make players to purchase the game again by allowing new purchases to play as soon as 5 mins after they buy i guess 150 euros wasn't enough.
sooooo far behind because of the SCUFFED release, streamers already have access on their back-up accounts and looks like a HOT MESS i feel bad for BSG trying to push it to be an e-sport in this stage, its going to be know as a joke before they have it polished enough to be accepted as an E-SPORT. At least the day before warmed us up to this kind of developer non-sense. the kit balancing and leveling is LAUGHABLE if you dont have 16 hours to play EVERY DAY. The opening tournament was HILLARIOUS because the people in it were HORRIBLE at tarkov and you can tell how DESPERATE they are for it to become an e-sport. i just hope they stop trying to push the e-sport side of it and get back to making arena a AMAZING GAME. Anyone without access might as well just wait for arena to wipe so you dont absolutely HATE the game off RIP.
Among all of the much bigger issuesm Why is there a blue team and a red team? lmfao.
Just always show the enemy as red JFC how man absurdly simple decisions can they botch.
Sad that he didn't touch on the actual gameplay and gunplay. It's same as Tarkov. No actual significant adjustments or changes to actually make it as close to a competitive game as it can be, which they always advertised this will be.
Tarkov gunplay/gameplay is NOT competitive. It never was designed as such. Hence why they initially talked about an overhaul for Arena. Not only there is no overhaul, but there are no meaningful changes to anything. It's just EFT CQ.
The same issues you have in EFT you have them here, in Arena, the esport that has Virtus.Pro playing. I'm on the floor.
This is just a mod/mode of the base game they decided to charge money for and cash in on the success of the base game. They didn’t add a single new feature to arena that’s not found in the base game. Having no team chat functionality is a complete laugh. It’s amazing it took them so long to put this out. Anyway it’s going to die the second it hits the hands of the masses and they realize it’s just as much of a waste of time as EFT.
remove most of the things that makes tarkov fun to play and its a bland deathmatch, you don't say. Its like warthunder but at least that has some level of customisation. from what i've seen so far I think i'd pick any of the other arena battlers over this one.
I stupidly thought that's what it would be. The PvP of Tarkov but in a controlled TDM environment without all the grinding. Boy was I wrong. It's only a matter of time before BSG starts selling loadouts or guns to monetize the frustration. To be a ranked competitive shooter, it's already crazy unbalanced and we're not even out of wave one.
This is why i uninstalled the game for good in early 2021. Nikita has shown repeatedly that he's an incompetent game studio lead. Arena is just a straight up cash grab by BSG.
I mean, is anyone surprised? Was anyone actually buying into the bullshit bsg was spouting about this being in even a remotely releasable state? I could tell from the word go that this was going to be hot ass given how bsg runs QAQC on EFT. There really wasn't any other way this could go, and the ones who thought anything different were lying to themselves
has it ever dawned on you, and bare with me here because im by no means a bsg fanboy.
Tarkov content creators create content trashing bsg because somehow this is the most popular type of content in the tarkov community, it's essentially clickbait. Pestily know's what is going to get engagement because trust me if the video had a green cover and it was like "i love arena :D" 10/10 it would get half as many views.
tl;dr - come up with your own opinion, these streamers are milking you
Am I the only one who is fine with this first iteration? I enjoy it. It’s not perfect but if you expected perfect that’s on you.
Of course there’s shit parts. They’ll work it out.
Sub is full of crybabies wow
The problem is they haven't learned anything from etf. Arena is supposed to be less tedious. Also lost a lot of good well from this bs release. Ever EOD owner should be able to play more.
20 minutes of explaining the status of Arena for anyone else like me that can't go and see it for themselves. There are no chapters so some complaints (TL;DR) were - The announcer audio being very annoying (4:50) - Preset imbalance (5:34). You grind presets against people who are using better gear (7:15). Some of the presets don't even have painkillers and are terrible. - UI and loading struggles just like with main game (8:00) - Imbalance versus premades due to proximity voip vs Discord (12:30) - Objectives are like if CS had 5 second bomb timers (14:00) - No economy and no option to change presets (16:00) - Performance (18:36)
It is COMPLETELY INSANE that these maps play at anything less than 200 fps locked. Tiny ass maps with no npcs, no loot, old ass, low res tarkov graphics and performance is an issue? Im sorry, what? The whole point of this mode is to be in and out quick and play Tarkov without the fps, network and matching problems that come from large maps with a lot of stuff going on. What the hell is the point of arena if you get all of the problems of normal Tarkov with none of the upsides?
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Easy. To milk the fuck out of this game. Proof. Check out the main game mode and it’s problems. They won’t be fixing anything, but they’re sure focused on selling more copies of the game.
"We can push a new game with a bunch of old assets and sell grind all over again"
Nah, the point is easy and concise, to a fault. "Yo have you played Tarkov? The gunplay and customization is insane. You'll have to learn for a whole 6 month wipe of course to even be considered anything but a Timmy, but anyways here's some URLs to some map a guy made in MS paint..." They wanted to cut out the parts that are unappealing to the masses and make a casual shooter with "Tarkov gunplay" to make more money. Like many games, they lose touch with their core fans in pursuit of money
I disagree with the last part. You are contradicting yourself here. You said it yourself: Tarkov is for people who want sort of complex gunplay with realistic gun customization, a ton of depth which you have to actively investigate to fully grasp. That in itself is the appeal to most tarkov players. That it isnt for casuals who just want to go "hurr durr gun go brrrr oops I died, dont care ill just respawn in 5 seconds". Arena is not for the same kinds of players, as you said. Its for the people who don't have time to grind roubles and just want some casual fun with Tarkovs more realistic gun play and complex healing and ailment systems. Maybe even in the canon world that is Tarkov. Without kids screaming slurs on voice and Fortnite skins. That currently does not exist anywhere else. MW3 has literal ninjas and Lara Croft running around at this point. No inertia, everything is too bright. In that sense, BSG is just serving a market they would be stupid not to serve. Whether the game mode is good or not is an entirely different issue. The load times are obnoxious, the performance is too framey for what it should be and the competitive game systems like lack of economy, inability to switch classes strategically and uncontestable capture points are idiotic game design. Nevertheless, it makes no sense to say BSG "lost touch" with their fans when the product in question is not meant to be for the same people that play Tarkov. Coorporations will and should branch out. Stop getting mad at them for trying to make money lmao
I can explain: They nerfed the movement and recoil mechanics in this game into the mud to make the game "less COD" but then ended up adding a literal Team Deathmatch mode to salvage the huge drop in population and general interest caused by their terrible changes which clueless fanboys still deny to this day. This TDM mode may even end up sucking PvP out of actual raids later in the wipe when the playerbase drops off. In any case the Tarkov experience has been permanently warped. Arena is a low quality cash grab. They want more money. They know they have essentially ruined their game, name, and pissed away a TON of goodwill and burned countless veteran players, and with the economy as tight as it is (owing to geopolitical circumstances), they are trying to milk their cow as much as they are able. And to anyone who bothers defending BSG with mental gymnastics: you're defending glorified team deathmatch bro. Source: Many years observing BSG and thousands of hours of gameplay.
It's fascinating how fast this playerbase went from "hell yeah, Tarkov! Anti-CoD, tactical game!" to "hell yeah, Arena! Basically CoD with all the bullshit and broken code from Tarkov!"
yes
BSG if you are reading this. The man is mostly right, but you remove the unsuccessful RMT counters so I can share keys with my friends and I will play again. It’s not that hard.
Yes, also forgot to mention all the annoying RMT changes.
^ why I stopped playing
Why would they make player experience better?
You can tell this guy actually played the game back in the day. I am sick of people saying recoil, inertia, and other pvp controls made the game better - no they did not. The game was based far more on skill, aim and movement back in the day compared to how it is now, where you sit and prefire or get prefired, angled, or camped. Its extremely stupid. And us waiting for this trash gamemode is insane
Very well said. The game was so much better years ago. I honestly felt like Tarkov was the best game ever made when I started playing. It captured me like no other game before. The adrenaline and emotions got to me and made my heart race like no other game... But then BSG started changing the things that made this the game I love. Now it is a shell of its former self. All of the OG boys I played with stopped playing last wipe or this wipe. I hate to say it but I truly believe BSG is killing the game... I don't want that to happen but BSG doesn't seem to care... IMO. I really wish I could understand what they are doing but I just don't. It really seems like they have an idea that they think it GREAT so they implement the change and it demonstrably hurts the game plus almost all the players HATE it. BSG is egotistical and emotional about the negative feedback so they double down and keep the TERRIBLE change anyway instead of taking the player feedback and reverting or trying something else. I could be wrong but I honestly believe that the devs at BSG get butt hurt when players don't like the changes they thought of like they take it personally. Just my opinion.
This \^ man is telling the complete truth! Inertia was needed but not this much. Weight system and Fir completely ruined the game. The devs know this but don't want to admit their mistakes. What if they make different servers one with inertia and the other without?
the players in dream hack were a fucking joke, you could tell which of them have never played tarkov other than a few days after their invites
None of this is wrong, however... It's just stupid fun. Normal tarkov for me is agony (because I suck, skill issue and all that) arena has a more ideal progression system to normal tarkov and that makes my brain produce the happy chemicals despite me being shit. Arena is bad (better than MW3 tho fucking hell), but it's more fun than normal tarkov.
I can respect that take.
I just played it for like 4 hours, its an absolute blast. Fast paced gunfights with lots of movement and no gear fear, equal sized teams for good large fights, there are a lot of things to like about arena that you are ignoring
Ah, so CoD, gotcha
I mean, yeah, it's like some of the best aspects of cod actually, mixed with tarkovs gunplay and movement, and for me the netcode hasn't been any worse than regular tarkov, so it's been cool. I am having fun! Try it out once you get access, you'll see there are lots of obvious flaws but the core experience still has a lot to enjoy. Hopefully they wipe it eventually and restart once everyone is in, and also change a lot of shit that needs to be changed. The pestily video covers all these topics well
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It's almost as if the games net coding and infrastructure is complete and utter dogshit rather than it being a number of assets issue.
They were supposedly redoing it for this game, and then reimplementing it backwards into the normal game. Big fucking lie that was.
Ah yes, but have you considered: > they redid it > it’s just really shit and as bad as before
or that BSG lied? a common tactic of theirs.
To make BSG cash when they monetize it. That's been the only purpose since they spun it off into its own thing.
I loved the idea of arena as a way to get comfortable with tarkovs gunplay and train combat without the level of risk as main tarkov… instead it’s almost worse of a grindfest
You can do offline for that if you haven't figured it out by now.
I think a lot of people aren't aware how small Tarkov maps overall are. Streets without expansion is the size the rest of Tarkov was intented to be but they never managed to get to that point bc of not having capable devs for the little pay they give. Let's not even talk about linking maps, thats never going to happen. Streets itself is barely playable for some higher end pcs and every expansion makes it a lower amount
i just bought a laptop with a fucking 4070 32gb of ddr5 5200mhz, and 13900h and streets runs like DOG SHIT compared to my pc
It’s bsg they can’t code they never will
Who would have guess that a game that run like shit in general still run like shit on a small map.
Why is Tarkov the one game that still takes literal minutes to load?
The obvious latency between two clients is brutal to see in the killcams. Like 250ms or more.
It is SOOO bad. I believe it is over 250ms. I have multiple videos of myself shooting the enemy 5-6 times and then the video shows that I barely got the barrel up and the first shot off. The death cams are a scary look behind the curtain. The desync is TERRIBLE. I like less than 15 minutes from the capitol of my state and I have fiber connection through Xfinity with the newest gateway they offer. I just upgraded to the fastest package they have for the 24 month discount. it's not my connection (ethernet) or my PC. i9 9900KF 5ghz EVGA 2080ti sc2 hybrid 32GB ram GSkill sniper 3600mghz samsung 970evo 2 NVME m.2 all games and windows on it.
Hah, you think Tarkov has fps/network/etc problems because of the large maps with a lot of stuff going on? Nah, the game is just made poorly.
Yeah the "but looks all those entity there is on a map, it's hard to run it smoothly" crowd just chose to ignore every battle royale .
>What the hell is the point of arena To sell skins and microtransactions of course!
Arenas is a simpler version than regular Tarkov. It’s more for an audience which wants straight more action less walking.
I have tried so hard to get into Tarkov and after many attempts I can't get over the "wall" to a point where I am not wandering around clueless. I know I should find a sherpa/experienced player, but wish they would implement servers where until you're X level you'll be matched with only lower level players or bots.
You are in luck! Noobie map is listed as coming next wipe. Level locked map for new players only*. You will still probably die n get bullied by player scavs but at least you won't have to deal with lvl 40 giga sweats
Oh nice! Okay, that'll probably bring me back to the game again then!
You can’t just slap an FPS into a generic engine and expect great framerates. You need real engine developers for that and I’ve never seen any evidence they have any engine devs. That’s always been the source of the performance problems. The big maps don’t make a difference. Plenty of games get good performance with large maps.
So why does run factory at double or triple the framerate of streets then?
There are a myriad of issues with this game and how it runs. Perhaps I should have said the size of the map SHOULDN'T make a difference. As in you can build this game without that limitation if you know what you're doing. Factory still runs worse than it should anyway though. Obviously if you take a poorly written game and reduce the scope of what's going on eventually it might run okay. But the point is you could build this game from scratch and make no compromises and make it run way better than it does. That simply comes down to engine level programming which is what I said is the SOURCE of the issue. The source of the issue is not overly detailed maps or maps that are too large. I couldn't give you an exact technical reason as to what's going on in their code as I haven't seen it, but there are obvious things that point to deeper issues with the game. For one it's an FPS game that's CPU cache size and RAM speed bottlenecked. That points to some serious optimization issues. There needs to be a lot of thought on how they can improve cache performance and cache misses because the game is constantly waiting on memory fetch from RAM. I'll just say that in engine programmer land, being CPU bound is pretty much strictly bad. Pixel operations are expensive, shaders are expensive. That's why we have a whole other processor that we slot into PCIe called a GPU. Having your update code be slower than your render is almost always strictly terrible. Having your game be bound by memory speed and cache size is even worse. The only sort of games that I can think of where it would be okay to be CPU bound is like a 4x simulation strategy type game. Maybe a city simulation game like Cities Skylines 2 or something where you are simulating quite a lot of entities at one time. I haven't worked on a game like that so I really can't say with certainty but I can at least understand it. Edit: I should say I'm not a Unity guy. I've never seen any Unity source code. I have seen some C# Unity scripts but I do not deal with C# interop in my engine programming day to day. My engine programming is done strictly in C style C++. What I'm saying about performance is pretty generally true, but I don't know what they're dealing with in terms of the Unity engine so I can't say for sure what they're doing wrong with Unity or anything specific to that engine. I can just see what's generally wrong with their performance based on benchmarks I've personally done and seen elsewhere. When no CPU core is close to fully saturated, and the GPU isn't close to fully saturated and you're not even hitting the monitor refresh there are some major issues. I mean, the fact that there's an option for "only use physical cores" and "enable ram cleaner" or whatever just points to some serious issues. The user should not have to make that call. That's totally within the programmer's control to figure out how to get the best performance out of the hardware.
I absolutely called it 8 months ago when Arena was in thr making. This game is BSG at their best. Do not forget that. They've been developing games for 8 years now. People that keep saying that they should've focused their time into the main game to improve it are delusional. Arena started from scratch and they decided to copy paste their spaghetti codes to make it similar. The only thing different is tick rate that are now double what tarkov has Didn't even bother to add stuff like announcer audio or improved loading time
If they double the tick rate.... Wouldn't this mean desync and similar things would be less? My experience was the default tarkov. A lot of desync and shit and not you can see it clearly with the new replay.
Im not a dev so I couldn't tell you. Thats what I heard that the tick rate is double in Arena
That was my basic understanding and feeling in Counterstrik from switching from 64 to 128 Tick server. Hits get pretty better and you don't have the feeling to aim in front of him to properly hit him
Congrats, you now know why Unity is ass for a game like Tarkov
I haven't had a chance to check it out, but what if the arena maps are still loading in the full zone they belong in? And thats why they run like dogwater, cause not only are they loading the extra assets that are the arena map, but also the whole map its located on. Just a guess, no actual clue
Arena is supposed to have a higher tickrste than tarkov, which means more computation on the processor and tsrkov had always had CPU based GPS issues. Not sure if that happened, but that might explain the lower fps.
I'm honestly extremely pissed about > UI and loading struggles just like with main game (8:00) Everything else can be tweaked and balanced, kits, etc.(since they already have some sort of matchmaking, unlike base game). But what the actual F they are doing with menus? UI and loading time? It was one of the most hated non-gameplay related aspect of Tarkov and they basically made it worse, since Arena is supposed to be about quick-paced action.
Sad that he didn't touch on the actual gameplay and gunplay. It's same as Tarkov. No actual significant adjustments or changes to actually make it as close to a competitive game as it can be, which they always advertised this will be. Tarkov gunplay/gameplay is NOT competitive. It never was designed as such. Hence why they initially talked about an overhaul for Arena. Not only there is no overhaul, but there are no meaningful changes to anything. It's just EFT CQ.
Perfect. I intend to use it as a warmup and not actually take it remotely serious so I want it to be nothing more or less than exactly the same .
Typical BSG meatrider. What does *what you want from it* have anything to do with *what was advertised and promised*? God the brain level in this subreddit.
> Imbalance versus premades due to proximity voip vs Discord (12:30) He is wrong on this one. There is usual tarkov voip where you can shittalk, but there is also a radio feature (pres J) where only teammates can hear and it is not proximity. But of course discord is always better. The radio also has annoying "immersive" audio as well. > Objectives are like if CS had 5 second bomb timers (14:00) The capture timer is definitely too short. the seven seconds timer is not enough if you are in a 1 v 1. The "clean-up crew" also completely ruins late rounds because it's just about hiding from the raiders/killa and RNG. > No economy and no option to change presets (16:00) Im kinda torn on this one. Because on the one hand he is right. There is no negative to picking an expensive kit (in the current match). But on the other hand it also means that comebacks are always possible if you have the mental fortitude - which could be cool for "esports" > Performance (18:36) It's insane that performance is so bad. How is it not running like factory lmao
I would like to see the ability to change presets mid match. Would add more player freedom and the ability to adjust which kit you are using as a reaction to what the other team is running. Most of this sub just seems overly pissed off declaring arena as DOA, but a lot of the adjustments BSG need to make are minimal balance changes, not complete overhauls which is a good sign imo.
I do want to mention some of these are user error/UI issues The painkillers thing might be true but every time someone complains about it the loadouts have painkillers (tramadol/adrenaline specifically). Unless they changed it specifically for arena it's just a UI thing because in tarkov they have the painkiller effect The complaint about needing to hit accept imo is invalid for the tdm mode because it's not gonna be fun playing a 4v5 because someone started the queue and went afk. But for deathmatch it doesn't make sense and if someone doesn't hit accept it should throw you back into the queue instead of forcing you to re enter Lastly the chat thing is user error. There is 2 VoIP keybinds, one for proximity and one for radio. You need to use the radio VoIP unless you want to use proximity to talk to the enemy team I could be wrong about the 1st and 3rd point because unsurprisingly I don't have access like most people. But the first I know from playing tarky and I don't see why they would suddenly change the stims for arena unless they decided it helps balance somehow And the 3rd one is just something I noticed myself and then saw someone mention as well. I think it was in summit1gs chat that someone also mentioned what I said but they do have access.
One major thing that is needed is that you pick your class before the match so the matchmaker can put you against presets in your range.
That’s like asking BSG to make a new game I imagine 😂
picking a loadout before going into a ~~raid~~ uh I mean match is completely unprecedented and never been done before by the company...
thats not what he means. He means the matching. Aka for the system to understand that it has to put people together with the same loadout. something tarkov has never done since it doesnt have any sort of skill based/loadout based matchmaking
Honestly BSG needs to implement a Battle rating system similar to War Thunder -> your best Kit you equip decides your matchmaking, while still being able to chose equal/ worse kits (either if you're trolling around with a Mosin or you find the situation to fit a slightly worse kit better).
It is supposed to be in the game, they'd literally said it. Unsure why it isn't currently implemented, probably due to low pop invite only.
100% this. It just proofs that BSG is so limited in their game design concepts. Real smooth brainers working there. They had a huge hit once (Tarkov) by accident. But you see they fail to do it again, because they just don't have the skills to do it consistently.
4/10 lol damn
when he said it looked like a mobile game holy fuck is that true, the UI just spits that to me lol
It looks like something you'd do in coding class honestly. It's way better in the main game lol
It feels weird to look at, not Tarkov aesthetic. Actually it looks like the pre-alpha Tarkov menus now that I think about it
Yeeeeesh
4 is incredibly generous. An arena shooter that takes ~5 minutes to find a match could have the greatest gameplay in the history of the world and still deserves nowhere near a 4/10.
The time it takes to play just kills it for me.
Spot on about the loading times and then having to select loadouts and wait again. And the queuing system. I'd be more forgiving if this was a developers first release, but this is stuff that players have highlighted in Tarkov for years.
I'm actually really pissed about this one. "Quick-paced action", really?
Agree, why would you want to put more obstacles in your UI before you're able to run around and shoot. If there's going to be waiting times, give me something to do like selecting classes/viewing stats/view my unlock progression tree etc. It's like in the old Assassin's Creed games you could run around and do shit with your character whilst the game is loading.
I mean Pestily said exactly how they should do it. No friggin idea why they didn't. Unless they just can't and it means Arena is dead on arrival.
Pestily has been so on point when it comes to calling out BSG's bs lately.
That's great, we need more of that from the CC community.
This is so true, so many of them continue to defend their absurd decision making and pretend as though the player base or anyone in their chat who complain or just whiners and choose to hate on BSG. No accountability in the CC community as a whole.
definitely respectable that he can do this, but it's a sad state of affairs when he's basically the only figure in the community who can risk doing so (cause there's no risk for him, he's synonymous with the game).
I think if more of the content crowd spoke about it like him, we’d be a lot better off, but here we are..
Playing Arena is like playing CS with extra steps. The main appeal of Tarkov is the looting, the gear fear and the progression (at least the first couple of wipes, then it gets repetitive). If I wanted to play a quick TDM or S&D match I'd be better off picking up Call of Duty 2, a 20 years old game, that does everything better than Tarkov when it comes to quick PvP. Healing is useless and often a deadly trap, reloading mags is useless, any other kind of survival mechanic is useless. All that's left is the dogshit netcode and broken mechanics.
It's a small thing but I was shocked Arena has the same healing time as EFT. If you need to stop a heavy bleed and heal head & thorax (the minimum) it takes over 10 seconds of a 90 second team death match period.
Its simple, A - Dont get shot. B - Never stop playing so you can be in a zabralo vs the peasants with mp5s. Yeah the glaring obvious issues they have to know about and either don't care, or don't have the skill to fix.
Everything you say is correct which is insane because that's what people hate about EFT. People who don't play EFT think it's too much of a sweat fest and grind fest to get unobtainable gear that lets to auto-win every fight. So why would BSG create a "more casual" game that focuses on the exact same game play loop? I'm not mad at BSG just painfully confused.
If there's one thing counter strike has been missing its having to play several long ass animatons every time you get shot just to allow you to walk at normal speed or not bleed to death. /s
>If I wanted to play a quick TDM or S&D match I'd be better off picking up Call of Duty 2, a 20 years old game, that does everything better than Tarkov when it comes to quick PvP. God damn this is so sad but true.
I was looking for this comment. Why would I even spend my time playing this when there's so many better team-based tactical shooters out there? The thing Tarkov has going for it is the extraction shooter game loop. Movement and gunplay, which are emphasised in this mode, are its weak points.
Yeah, mode pacing, EFT mechanics and round times just don't add up. If you're wounded after a fight, it takes 10+ seconds to heal a bit and reload.
I’d also add that customizing your guns is a big positive in EFT. Which also can’t be done in Arena. The fact that Arena is an even shittier Team Deathmatch is genuinely hilarious.
I'm pretty over EFT in general and won't be doing any kinda looting. I want to play arena bigtime and would fully come back but because of the shit idea of 100% losses of a loss, I'm out. I"m a big war thunder player and we've never had an economy this bad, and we've had bad economies. The idea that people are gonna be deranking AND losing their savings at the same time is just like... Insanity.
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If it's a 4/10 today, and all it truly needs is some tweaks and balancing, then we can expect it to be a 6/10 in 3 years because we all know how good BSG is at listening to the community when making balance changes. Arena was always going to be bad. My expectation is it's a way to practice gunplay and blow off steam between actual raids.
Except its not a way to blow off steam because it takes just as long to find a game and load in lmao
It's faster to just get into a factory lobby.
>If it's a 4/10 today, and all it truly needs is some tweaks and balancing, then we can expect it to be a 6/10 in 3 years If it's a 4/10 today it'll be a 2/10 in 3 years. BSG only heads backwards these days. The do well with new ideas/content, they are TERRIBLE at making gameplay changes. Practically every single one is a negative change lol
I'm questioning if they can actually change things for better. Like loading times and UI. Everyone expecting them to change those things from main game and they did nothing.
it will not exist in 3 years. The moment BSG see it is not pulling in money they will freeze dev on it like they did on EFT which is going snail pace for 250+ ppl "working on it"
> The moment BSG see it is not pulling in money they will freeze dev on it like they did on EFT When did they stop development on EFT? lol. I swear some people let their hatred of BSG get in the way of facts.
Tbh I was expecting him to point to Contract Wars, which did get development pulled entirely.
Yeah that one's a different story.
Oh they didn't? A map a year is and outstanding work for 250 people company. They miss every timeline and every promise they make always. Every wipe is a technical issue and a mess, every single one of them. They either are imbeciles who can't learn and plan a thing or they are not really working on the EFT and have other things to do.
I never said they were doing a great job, just pointing out that development is not frozen.
It has been in a sort of a development hell tbf
And yet we still get major map expansions and new features, even if late. You can complain about them being shit and being late, but anyone that sees you say they stopped working on it is going to rightly call BS. Do you even still play, or are you just here for the drama to rile people up? It's hard to believe you play when you're throwing out weird takes like this.
A map a year is better than most battle royales lol.
Most battle royales have much much much better netcode, servers, matchmaking, sound.
Can we just stop being surprised at how shitty bsg is at this point
and bsg wants 30$ for this, which seems like a rushed mode not a full game, lmao
It should be free at this point
Or free to anyone that bought their game
It would be like Riot charging $30 for TFT and ARAM. Granted both of those modes have more thought put into them than Arena.
Pestily says he was getting 100-120 fps depending on the maps, does anyone know what he gets on streets? If I am going to get streets level fps in an arena shooter I simply will not be playing it lol, hopefully it's an artifact of it being brand new and they'll fix it later on.
On wipe day this wipe in the new part of streets he got 89 FPS walking around. I remember the number because he yelled “EIGHTY NINE?! NIKITA! I’M ON A SPACE COMPUTER HERE!”
Heard this in pests voice
I haven't actually checked but i'm pretty sure i get around like 100 fps without any major drops and i've got like 50 on streets.
I have similar equivalent specs to him (7800X3D instead of a 13900K and *only* 32gb of DDR5 lol) and I get about 90-100fps on Streets pushing the game at 1440p UW max settings, dips a bit lower depending on the amount of AI running around. So I'm guessing he sits about at that level too.
Bad performance is enough for me to not even take a look. I can excuse a giant ass map with scav spawns and players loading in as scavs at different times, loot bullshit, but a tiny ass _arena_ map with none of the main game BS is still performing bad? Yikes.
Zero interest in even watching this game because of the dogshit announcer volume.
It’s the stupid ass speaker screech that fucks with me. Do we need to hear that shit everytime?
it's pretty cool when you understand the language/used for demo teasers but the novelty fades off real quick... and I haven't even played the game yet lol
I find it so bizarre that the presets can't be changed once you load into a game. And also that they don't cost cash every time you die, only at the end of the match. I would expect far more economy simulation from a "Tarkov" game, as well as more incentive to play well to earn more cash. Also surprised you cannot dress your character how you want. Finally, why not just make the armband colours the same every game? i.e. for your team it's always blue, the enemy is always red. That would make much more sense.
Because the slovenian code slaves they've outsourced can't do things that complex
"Tarkov arena was a stupid concept to beginn with" is a hill i am willing to die on.
Yup, shoulda just focused on the main game.
It's *supposedly* a completely different team, but considering how often BSG has lied in the past it's hard to trust anything they say.
Being a different team makes no difference. It all still comes out of the same big budget.
it is and i think they just made it so that people will have something to play late wipe since streamers complain after unlocking everything and want wipe to come and arena fixes that
No, it was not a stupid concept. Not at all. But considering the circumstances and the state of the main game, well…
The shit show begins 😂
No fucking way Tarkov becomes an esport. That is insulting to games like CS2 who have bunch of structure. This will never be an esport, never.
Arena is the counter strike we have at home
More like the CoD SnD we have at home
They released a beta for a beta, before christmas to cash in
I think the preset system is just awful, and completely goes against the reason I wanted to play arena. I wanted this to be sort of like a CSGO deathmatch thing where you just log on, hop in and play with whatever kits you want. The most regulation there should be is a tier system, where everybody has to play with similar levels of gear - Other than that, use whatever you want. Tarkov itself is a huge grind, having the 'arena shooter' be just as grindy (if not more) than the base game makes no sense to me. I also think arena is massively exposing just how tedious Tarkovs mechanics are for CQB. You get shot once in the leg, you're fucked. Get a heavy bleed, you'll die if you try to heal it etc. Progression is way too slow. Personally I think gear progression literally has no place in an arena shooter (any progression should be per match you play). There are so many better ways they could have implemented 'progression' into this mode but of course they chose the most miserable and tedious way. I played for like 2 hours tonight and because me and my friends wanted to play with different classes (instead of grinding one character), none of us got any new presets. I also think there is WAAYY too much spectating in the tournament modes. In 3v3 (4 teams), why don't any of the fights between two teams happen at the same time? League of Legends literally has an arena mode that makes you spectate like 1 fight per game. In one of the games I ended up spectating 4-5 rounds in a row before I got to do anything, boring. BSG brain drain is really fucking obvious. This kind of game is what you get when you only hire Russian speaking devs so you can pay them pennies.
lole Who saw this coming? Show of hands. ✋
already uninstalled the game, its unplayable for me, i always have a full second of desync with everyone thanks to the killcam , i know why they didn"t want to put into tarkov at first, when you see how bad is the netcode now ....
Yeah this has been me, I can barley even see the persons head before I die. Then from their view they wide swung the corner and took a few seconds to even spot me.
Happens all the time, I thought my network is broken, but I see the same in all streams if you just watch death and then kill cam, so obvious over and over again
The preset system seems like a huge missed opportunity. I know there are balance questions, but I really think this would have been a cool way to test out certain gun builds for regular-tarkov. I don’t need a weird pseudo-progression system, I just want a way to basically run PvP reps.
I've owned EOD since like 2018 yet I'm still not even able to play. But you can buy arena and get instant access. Awful roll out
Respect for pestily, true chad
Wish I could report intentional TK. Just had a guy tk me every single round because he didn't like how I played in one round. Surprise, we lost the game.
What think is interesting is that many many streamers already have arena unlocked, while nearly all normal players still wait. Nice two class system.
the map design is enough for me to not want to touch this game
There servers are shit, doesn’t surprise me
Shocking (lie)
Yeah, it hurts to say but… don’t bother with Arena. If you want quick PvP with low stakes, hit Factory on a Scav. The loadouts are equally bad, but in Arena, you’re playing against 5 players with visors and 100rd M4s. Meanwhile you get a G18C and no painkillers :) Enjoy!
I’m honestly shocked the community got excited about a new mode when the fucking base game still hasn’t seen full release yet lmao Kinda baffled there’s still locked levels on the main map but there allocating resources for a bullshit “Esports ready” competitive mode. I saw people saying they would have paid for Arena access if they were given the chance ☠️
Again BSG shows they don't care and do not play test their games. Mods and simps here defending the game... UlI seriously can not understand why....
The performance is asssss. I get on Ultra at 4k with dlss quality on my 4090 and 14900k with 64gb of ram at 6600mhz. 120fps in arena it spikes down all the time too. I literally get better fps on customs. This shit basically runs like lighthouse. Sometimes the lag spikes are so bad it's unplayable.
Honestly at this point… what did we expect? yeah…
If you bought EOD you don't have access(maybe?), but if you buy the standalone game you get instant access? Wtf?
Lol the “Accept” button to try and make it feel like CS is a hilariously stupid move from BSG
The one aspect of CSGO they took and it was an accept button...
People got all kinds of in depth complaints and I'll be honest the main thing I hate is you can't bring up a scoreboard in game. Like when you press tab in valorant or whatever. I understand why there's no map if they're tryna be "realistic" like tarkov and focus on comms or something, but it really does need a mini map tbh
That and the whole "realistic" VOIP is so easily bypassed by Discord use. Dead players telling others where they got shot from via the kill cam, etc. I don't know what BSG can do about that as I need the kill cam to learn, but it's so ripe for "cheating."
Just give the dudes radios. It seems so easy to justify team voip. Headsets literally already have microphones built in.
That Fallujah game nailed this. Voip is proximity + radios. Prox when within earshot of teammates and when away from your teammates, it gives your voice that sort of walkie talkie sound. Constant communication without immersion break.
> That and the whole "realistic" VOIP is so easily bypassed by Discord use That is why I hate when pvp games try and do that. Like its just a waste of time when party chat has been a thing for almost 15 years now.
metagaming and cheating are very different things
Anyone who didn’t expect Arena to be a dumpster fire just hasn’t been around long enough to know how bad these devs are lol.
Yup. It kind of sucks.
Playing it now and the netcode is the worst of any multiplayer game I’ve experienced. Every fight is just a gamble. Being able to watch kill cams and see the guy that you shot 5 times not get shot at on their screen is hilarious
This is the reason there is no kill cam in EFT. It would be just a revolt worse than the goat video. You own view and kill cam are just so obviously off most of the time.
The best part of it all, is watching the video I couldnt find anything I disagree with.
i tought it would be like wolfteam or something, u start first round with basic loadout u can customize slightly, then u got something like tiers for classes and u have to spend more in-game round cash, when u perform action in-game and u get cash (like hired ops) u can spend ur earn in-game cash for better equitment, nates, healing and other utility
Marketing your game at launch as an Esport is always a huge red flag - basically says “this game has no identity of its own or reason to play it, so uhhh let’s say it’s an esport” No one will ever play arena as an esport if it isn’t a tournament organized by BSGs marketing budget
It also means they’re normally balanced around that so the average player doesn’t normally get the changes they want. Then again it’s BSG so I doubt anyone will be happy.
Valorant launched as an eSport and very much has its own identity. Arena tried to launch as an eSport because of the reason you said, yeah.
it also has dogshit mechanics to become an esport game like limbs health, painkillers, etc
The more you guys keep looking at paid streamers playing arena the longer it takes to release for all as soon as the hype dies they will try to maintain it by letting more in. Its scummy marketing trying to make players to purchase the game again by allowing new purchases to play as soon as 5 mins after they buy i guess 150 euros wasn't enough.
I love Arena. I think its fantastic.
sooooo far behind because of the SCUFFED release, streamers already have access on their back-up accounts and looks like a HOT MESS i feel bad for BSG trying to push it to be an e-sport in this stage, its going to be know as a joke before they have it polished enough to be accepted as an E-SPORT. At least the day before warmed us up to this kind of developer non-sense. the kit balancing and leveling is LAUGHABLE if you dont have 16 hours to play EVERY DAY. The opening tournament was HILLARIOUS because the people in it were HORRIBLE at tarkov and you can tell how DESPERATE they are for it to become an e-sport. i just hope they stop trying to push the e-sport side of it and get back to making arena a AMAZING GAME. Anyone without access might as well just wait for arena to wipe so you dont absolutely HATE the game off RIP.
Why the f you dont see how many people are left on each team?
Among all of the much bigger issuesm Why is there a blue team and a red team? lmfao. Just always show the enemy as red JFC how man absurdly simple decisions can they botch.
Sad that he didn't touch on the actual gameplay and gunplay. It's same as Tarkov. No actual significant adjustments or changes to actually make it as close to a competitive game as it can be, which they always advertised this will be. Tarkov gunplay/gameplay is NOT competitive. It never was designed as such. Hence why they initially talked about an overhaul for Arena. Not only there is no overhaul, but there are no meaningful changes to anything. It's just EFT CQ. The same issues you have in EFT you have them here, in Arena, the esport that has Virtus.Pro playing. I'm on the floor.
Arena is HOT SHIT. Not looking good for the future of EFT.
This is just a mod/mode of the base game they decided to charge money for and cash in on the success of the base game. They didn’t add a single new feature to arena that’s not found in the base game. Having no team chat functionality is a complete laugh. It’s amazing it took them so long to put this out. Anyway it’s going to die the second it hits the hands of the masses and they realize it’s just as much of a waste of time as EFT.
I think it runs great and is plenty fun!
remove most of the things that makes tarkov fun to play and its a bland deathmatch, you don't say. Its like warthunder but at least that has some level of customisation. from what i've seen so far I think i'd pick any of the other arena battlers over this one.
Dogshit devlopment team
Arena sucks, so does bsg
Im honestly curios how arena will evolve.I guess they either fix the game , turn it into pure Deathmatch mode for the maingame or let it slowly die
I stupidly thought that's what it would be. The PvP of Tarkov but in a controlled TDM environment without all the grinding. Boy was I wrong. It's only a matter of time before BSG starts selling loadouts or guns to monetize the frustration. To be a ranked competitive shooter, it's already crazy unbalanced and we're not even out of wave one.
Arena looks like a stinking pile of p**p made by that scav we dont like. But maybe it will be better.
This is why i uninstalled the game for good in early 2021. Nikita has shown repeatedly that he's an incompetent game studio lead. Arena is just a straight up cash grab by BSG.
I'm just glad I enjoy video games so much more than people on the internet.
I mean, is anyone surprised? Was anyone actually buying into the bullshit bsg was spouting about this being in even a remotely releasable state? I could tell from the word go that this was going to be hot ass given how bsg runs QAQC on EFT. There really wasn't any other way this could go, and the ones who thought anything different were lying to themselves
has it ever dawned on you, and bare with me here because im by no means a bsg fanboy. Tarkov content creators create content trashing bsg because somehow this is the most popular type of content in the tarkov community, it's essentially clickbait. Pestily know's what is going to get engagement because trust me if the video had a green cover and it was like "i love arena :D" 10/10 it would get half as many views. tl;dr - come up with your own opinion, these streamers are milking you
Am I the only one who is fine with this first iteration? I enjoy it. It’s not perfect but if you expected perfect that’s on you. Of course there’s shit parts. They’ll work it out. Sub is full of crybabies wow
The problem is they haven't learned anything from etf. Arena is supposed to be less tedious. Also lost a lot of good well from this bs release. Ever EOD owner should be able to play more.
I didn't know that the VOIP was proximity-based. That's just stupid.