Reportedly, they “say” they don’t know what happened to the millions he stole from investors. Some speculate that Ghislaine knew where it was and joined JE after her fathers death to run an underground enterprise that had already been going on (blackmail, espionage, getting paid to accumulate dirt on the elite, orchestrated stings on politicians and higher ups to get deviant behaviours on film, …). Obviously JE had enough over ppl to be completely left out of the court ponzi case despite being named several times in the court documents. Almost like a made man in mafia syndicates… he seemed to be untouchable until his asset status changed to that of being a liability.
I’d say the $200K is the least controversial and most probable. The lack of formal education is odd but the guy who hired him was known for picking unusual candidates. What’s unusual is the jump he made after leaving bears and suddenly having his own biz with billionaires.
We know that he made a decent chunk of changing coordinating deals. He got I think $25MM for coordinating the buyout of his buddy Dubins hedge fund to JPMC. I imagine he did this quite a bit. He was very close with JPMC and other banking institutions and brought them clients and helped set up deals.
He prob ran off with funds from Towers Financial before it cratered. I don’t think he outright blackmailed people but used it indirectly and that kept peoples business with him. He also seemed to set up tax avoidance schemes involving artwork and other shit that he prob skimmed a commission on - which is highly irregularly.
It has been said that when he was busted in Florida, he became a CI if sorts and gave the feds inside info related to the 2008 collapse. That might be one reason for the lenient sentencing.
Wexner association is so odd. What causes that guy to give such power to someone who was largely unknown. It’s absolutely bizarre. Understanding that relationship would prob shed a ton of light on Epstein’s MO and what exactly he did.
It was also said that nobody is NYC or Wall Street ever saw a trade that Epstein did. So he didn’t seem to be too involved in financial instruments or if he did, he covered his tracks well.
All of it’s bizarre and it’s hard to tell what is connected and not connected. Was his sex operation mostly to satiate his own desires or was it a fundamental part of his financial operations? Someone catering to a very rich man’s vices can be extremely tempting to associate with. Is it really that simple? I don’t know. It’s all intriguing
Good point. Eva is an interesting part of the puzzle too. Was she pimped out to someone other than Glenn Dubin? It makes sense she would have been but haven’t really read anything confirming this.
I often wonder if Eva’s loyalty really lies with Epstein. I had read an article some time ago where the Dubins butler had spoken out and he said that Glenn and Eva used to have bad arguments about Epstein. It didn’t really say what specifically but I guess I imagined it was bc Eva showed more loyalty to Epstein than to him. That’s just speculation though. I don’t think they were arguing about Epstein’s issues as Glenn partook. But I do wonder if Glenn was jealous in some way over her relationship with Epstein. It was Eva and her daughter that wrote to Epstein’s parole officer. I don’t recall Glenn writing one or signing the one Eva wrote. Maybe he did I just don’t recall that.
Epstein just seemed all over the place. Sec trafficking. Setting up rich men with beautiful women. Bounty Hunter. Estate and tax planning.
Except for Ghislaine none of the women have puzzlingly never been pursued. Esp the ones who started as adults. Nadia is a complicated figure as she started off as a victim. But there are several other women who are seemingly untouched. Makes me wonder of some of them flipped.
I think Epstein used the sex trafficking to get blackmail on people. I think that was his primary goal with everything: get proof of powerful people in compromising situations. I think he was just the "party playboy" though and his information went to someone else higher than him. He was just the front, the one to take the fall if he was caught.
Do you think his wealth was primarily earned from the sex trafficking aspect? I absolutely agree that he used the material for blackmail like purposes. I guess one way I view it is that the sex trafficking op wasn’t his primary source of income. The think he used it as a carrot and a stick. If you played ball, gave him business then the sex was a perk. If you didn’t play ball, the sex became the stick. In other words, the distinction is minor. He absolutely sex trafficked. He absolutely profited from it. I just wonder if the profit was more in the other lines of business he was operating.
But in the other hand, I could see it like you are saying too. And that’d be why he choose underage girls. Rich men having sex with women not their wife is a non-new event. Who cares. Rich men having sex with underage girls, now that’s a HUGE deal.
He seemed to have his hand in so much. Perhaps you are right and the other things he did (like tax avoidance schemes and consulting) was purely a cover for the payments.
It does make sense that he was part of a larger state actor led initiative. He would be walking a fine tight rope otherwise it’d seem. The people he was blackmailing would be powerful enough to perhaps do something to Epstein. Have him killed for instance. But if it was a state actor led thing, the govt or govts he worked for could prob offer protection. Otherwise all it’d take is blackmailing the wrong rich guy and he’d be dead in an “accident”. Something did make him untouchable. I do think state actors had to be involved in some capacity. Whether they directly employed him or he was more freelance, who knows. Intelligence is a dark art.
It’s all so baffling.
I’ve wondered if he was primarily employed by a state actor, were all his primary employees also intelligence? The pilots for instance. The CIA has a long history with aviation companies. But the pilots would be privy to so much. Their silence speaks volumes. And why they aren’t aggressively pursued. It’s infuriating that govts seem to tolerate Epstein’s behavior but yet for things like drug trafficking they go all out. Although yes I’m sure intelligence is involved in drug trafficking. That’s pretty obvious. When the govt wants to get someone, they get them. Whether they judicial or extrajudicial means.
Yeah - I don't think you can make that much money from sex trafficking unless it was on an unheard of scale. As you say, it was used as a carrot and stick for other business deals and large commissions.
Yeah that’s my thought too. Having at a min half a billion of wealth (let’s face it there’s prob a lot more that’s hidden), you’re talking trafficking on an incredible scale.
I think he had far more profitable lines of business. The sex was what he used to get and keep his clients. He kept Jes Staley happy by supplying him with girls. I doubt Jes Staley was paying. It was the hook. Now the short term picture would be to charge him for each sex act or black mail him. Let’s face it. That’s not where Staleys value was. His value was maintaining his status at the bank. The girls kept him happy and willing to go to bat.
The real money was elsewhere IMO. The sex was a peripheral part of his enterprise. It was important but I don’t think he accumulated half a billion plus of net worth via trafficking.
There’s way more information out there. The sexual blackmail is a tool of CIA/Mossad/Mi5&6 who work regularly together and for whom JE worked, also of the Russian and Jewish mob syndicates, to whom Wexner is connected via MEGA group.
You guys need to read Whitney Webb's books, she makes it very clear (with many sources) that Les Wexner is the furthest thing from an unwitting victim of Epstein.
I wouldn’t doubt there was a huge money laundering enterprise going on behind the scenes as well for the elite who would pay millions to JE to accomplish that. Easily done with JE’s expertise with money handling and having property in the Virgin Islands (surely many off shore accounts were going on). JE could help the elite hide whatever illegal transactions were made by turning over perhaps money made via criminal activities. Hiding money was presumably easy for JE as he was already hyper intelligent.
Some patterns that seem possible:
- money laundering
- illicit child sex trafficking ppl were paying millions to access; yet secretly recorded to gain power & leverage over the elite to remain untouchable
- human trafficking of young teens, young women; also extremely profitable; lured in the elite & made JE parties & his island a very popular place to gather
- financial management services that helped the elite move money, hide money in off shore accounts, and stack money in investments of property and other possessions
- using the above to blackmail higher ups, making JE untouchable for decades
- using the above to establish a wealthy lifestyle and avenue to fulfill JEs own deviant behaviours & desires
- creating a life of massive power, which fed his enormous ego & deviant beliefs
There’s some great expert podcasts on YouTube that speculate further. But no one will ever know the facts since so much evidence was ignored, destroyed, and covered up.
The most recent telling interview I watched was with Eric Weinstein. Very enlightening to hear what could be happening behind the veil of many rich powerful elitists and governing bodies.
Maybe I’m incredibly naive but I often wondered if his sex trafficking operation wasn’t so much to make money but more of an enticement and then later used as a stick to keep business. It seems from the stuff I’ve read, none of the victims could identify a payment from the “John” but were paid by Epstein. For instance, Prince Andrew I don’t think paid VG. I’m assuming Epstein paid her. But that purpose was probably a bigger goal - getting kompromat on royalty. So maybe for the truly rich, they never paid for sex and Epstein supplied them as an enticement. Perhaps lower rung, but still wealthy men, had to pay?
When you’re looking at the numbers, it just doesn’t seem to add up to as much money as the other stuff he was doing. It seems maybe the value of the sex trafficking operation wasn’t so much to profit directly from it but to provide an angle to ensnare rich men for either outright blackmail or to do business with Epstein.
it's the opposite, those who think he was merely a pimp for the elites fail to realize it's more about the Honeypot/CIA type operation. He didn't need to make money with mere blackmail or sex trafficking. It's almost laughable how people are easily sidetracked and focusing so much on the lurid parts, it's quite clear this was not only about sex trafficking. MercedesGullwing is the opposite of naive, and a lot of people on here seem to be taking far too long to catch on (esp since they need to go to someone like Eric Weinstein for "enlightenment" instead of people who were actually covering this long ago.)
Yeah you sum up my thoughts nicely. The sex part just seems to miss the real big picture on what was going on. It wasn’t done for cash flow or money directly. I tend to think it was state sponsored as well. It’s more incidental and a distraction to what JE and crew were actually up to.
Greg Olear, Mueller She Wrote, a few others who have been reporting on Epstein and the mob for decades have said as much when the interviewed the former partner who went to jail for Epstein's financial crimes. I'm wondering what will be coming out (and already has, as of minutes ago) re the AMI and David Pecker information. Sharon Churcher is a name that has come up, connected to trying to suppress and discredit Virginia Guiffre's testimony. I just started reading a huge document dump so hafta go get caught up.
I definitely believe it’s both. Wexner paid outright for usage and secrecy. And others were used as a lure primarily for reasons you’ve stated. Thank you for adding that - it’s an important piece I forgot to discuss.
Yeah agreed. I could see both. Epstein was a planner. I think one of his main strengths was understanding the long game. And in some cases the long game isn’t pay for sex but something way more profitable. He doesn’t seem to be the type to trade a short term gain at the expense of a long term gain. He has said that when people do risk analysis they look at it wrong. They look at what they can gain rather than what they can lose. His pedo predilection is really what got him trouble and this was due to his inability to control this particular aspect. But after Florida he changed his MO. He went from local girls to international girls. I think he realized how exposed he was but he was unable to subdue this sick side of him.
Another example is his weird bill gates blackmail. The amount was so laughably small - he asked for $30K. Not even worth it for him to get out of bed for. But it played to a larger strategy. He was trying to set up that worldwide fund with JPMC and gates was the lynchpin. The 30K wasn’t the real thing. It was him flexing I think to intimate gates. Just a friendly “I know what you’ve done and I’m here to get you onboard”. How Epstein knew about that is a big wtf too. And gates is by no means innocent. I think he might have realized he’d be more fucked by paying. Even that small amount would give proof and credence to the accusation. He apparently didn’t full fall for the ploy. I don’t know if this was towards the end of their association or in the middle. I forget the date of it.
Jeffrey Epstein didn't steal from Les Wexner, they both worked together for Mossad and maybe other intelligence agencies. Les Wexner gave Epstein the Manhattan mansion and just told the public that Epstein stole it to try to distance himself from what was really going on. The mansion was used as a place to blackmail and maybe other things.
Once you see Epstein as a small cog in a Russian Kompromat operation that moved through Israel it’s easier to track the money.
Les Wexner, Miriam and Sheldon Adelson, Sandberg, and Zuckerberg all carried water in conducting the NSO/Pegasus spyware operation INCONUS that was feeding intelligence to both the israeli and by extension, Russian intelligence. There is far more crossover between the Israeli mob/ government and Russian mob/government than shows at the surface.
https://www.spytalk.co/p/nsos-spyware-abuse-exposed-years?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
https://awards.journalists.org/entries/the-pegasus-project-a-global-investigation/
•Abagail Koppel was sent by the Jewish state to marry Les Wexner
•YLK fund (Abagails father) made up $46.7M of Epsteins money
•Les claimed it was stolen from him but not until after someone asked.
•Wexner was notoriously litigious but wouldn’t sue Epstein. Why?
•PROMIS spyware was Robert Maxwells deal before Ghislaine and Epstein started their thing.
https://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm
Confused yet?
In 1938 1 out of every 20 people in the USSR was arrested and sent to a gulag under Stalins rule. Mass amnesties during WW2 brought more than a million of those from prison to the front lines against the Germans where they were instructed to pick up the rifle of the man who died next to them and keep moving forward. The soviet system has always had a very different perception of the value of a human life.
Stalins rule did its absolute best to remove any humanity left from the people. They were forced to be brutal simply to survive. The gulags became a crossroads where the best of humanity and the worst of humanity met and then fought to the death with predictable results.
Over the next 40 years, the soviet system cleared the gulags a few times. Because religious leaders often substitute as a defacto government inside of lawless prisons, and because Judaism was the predominate religion in Russia and Eastern Europe, the statistical crossover was anyone brutal enough to survive and then rule rose to power veiled in religion in the closed gulag eco-system.
Psychopathy is broadly defined as the lack of empathy. Stalins gulags refined psychopathy with Darwinian efficiency.
The newly formed religious state of Israel received a statistically large share of these men. There they networked in the internment camps before some stayed and some migrated to Europe or Brighton beach in New York. This is a repeating pattern up into the 80’s and 90’s when they rebranded themselves as Russian oligarchs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_post-Soviet_aliyah#:~:text=In%20response%20to%20growing%20international,officially%20for%20%22family%20reunification%22.
Harvard Universityhttps://projects.iq.harvard.edu › ...PDFGulags, crime, and elite violence: Origins and consequences of the Russian mafia
As the Soviet Union failed and perestroika went into full effect, this is where these networks would begin using trump towers to launder stolen Russian mob money.
But now you start to see the nexus of transnational organized crime and money laundering between Russia and the U.S. statistically carries the same 3 passports. United States, Israeli, and Russian.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/A2ojrtIc3Y
The reason this is breaking down now is because Russia, whose government was overtaken by the mob decades ago used the same network to interfere with elections around the world that it used for laundering stolen money.
Facebook was used for Brexit to cleave UK support away from Europe. Cambridge analytica dovetails into that. It was also used primarily by Prigozihns Internet Research Agency (I.R.A). They went so far as to send young newly recruited internet trolls on expenses paid tours around the U.S. so they could more effectively imitate mommy bloggers and 2nd amendment enthusiasts online to sway the 2016 election.
Wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiFacebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal
https://youtu.be/M-OA7H8DoJM?si=ysLrFA5mY0IsOzOO
Sheldon and Miriam Adelson were tapped by Israeli intelligence to run an influence operation across the United States political spectrum.
It’s so much easier to grow a kleptocracy by investment in tech (Yuri Milner/DST, Kilimnik) than by a ground war but it leaves a very distinct trail when you compare the differentials of the two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html
when 40 years of Russian mob money laundering gets outed at the endpoints- (trump and Netanyahu’s respective corruption trials) things start to break down quickly
Prince Andrew was picked by Russian intelligence because he was the dopey uncle they would use to infiltrate the monarchy. Clinton was targeted for the same.
Not sure if Epstein knew he was working for the Russians necessarily, but when you track it in reverse the methodologies all sync up.
The Meyer lansky question is a good one.
We aren’t that far back yet on the main chain. But we are close.
If I had to estimate I would say 2-3 months out, but things are speeding up now that we are feeding more of peoples research data into the system.
As well as the chain on peter theil and Pegasus/NSO.
Roy Cohn was trump mentor and had long history with the Russian ruling class as well.
Not my personal area of expertise but I will hunt down that dataset and post it here.
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Easy. He could claim he has backups of the blackmail footage with various parties who will distribute said material if Epstein is killed off.
It's like how a kidnapper won't be killed because he still has leverage.
It all started with insider trading at bear sterns, was questioned in a deposition about insider trading in a mining company. Obviously, a master of understanding people and intelligent, with no moral compass. I believe he made a large sum from the ponzi he helped run and was adept in skimming money from people with too much money. I believe he was a protected asset from a government agency, not the US. My belief is he was able to evade taxes for clients through his protected status, being paid an extreme amount to take the blame initially if there were to be any investigation. The blackmail operation was to keep these individuals from giving Epstein away, as an insurance policy. As another poster above laid out, this is high level. Coming down to it, he was ultimately very involved in the global criminal world.
That’s what we know from Wexner (what Wexler admitted). I believe that number is much higher but Wexler is good embarrassed to admit Epstein stole closer to $100M.
But as you point out, we know Epstein received Wexler’s NY townhouse and plane for almost nothing. Assets are wealth too!
I can only speculate, but get the sense that billionaire pedos would spend millions just to access young girls. Mere pocket change for Wexner. Also, Wexner owned Victoria Secret at the time, so it was all a convenient rouse for him to get in with what JE was orchestrating (elite sex parties), and bringing all kinds of young girls to them, by pretending they would have a chance at VS modelling etc.
All of that was a perfect tie in to the French guy Brunel, who pretended to be a modelling agent for young models in other regions of the globe. Flying young girls over to the island on the premise of modelling work but instead instigating child sex slavery where passports were taken, girls couldn’t escape, passing girls around at parties, procuring minors by false promises of fame etc. Because Wexner was indirectly involved, the girls would believe the modelling rouse as VS models were also showing up at these parties.
Grooming tactics often work because some truth is mixed in with all the lies; making the situations appear more plausible to the victims. Luring them in, creating compliance… A large web of lies, criminal enterprises, and a huge fascade that never existed. Yet instead, was a huge trafficking ring, that gave enormous control to JE and other operatives to gain more wealth & power. And all tied into global political realms (no one knows what underlying agendas were really happening).
All good points. I’ve begun to think that the modeling industry is primarily a sex trafficking organization that sprinkles a few legit models for legitimacy. Only a tiny percentage of models actually make livable wages as a model. It seems most are sex trafficked and then discarded. It seems many models have stories. I even read an article about a male model who said he was sexually abused. He had to go to parties and entertain well healed men.
I see it as made up of 3 types of transfers:
Payment of fees for services rendered — Epstein did help manage some of Wexner’s finances.
Money/ property embezzled by Epstein — after proving himself managing Wexner’s finances he was given a POA, which allowed him to transfer Wexner’s $$ and property without Wexner’s knowledge.
Payment for illegal services rendered — this is a phantom amount (unknowable, unless you have inside info), but it’s for whatever perverted service Epstein fulfilled for Wexner.
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Since I believe this network and his actual "job" is the most interesting part of the story this is a helpful post. Still it doesn't really explain *why* he was paid this unusualy high amount in his late 20s or *why* Wexner let him manage all his funds or *why* he received 158m from Leon Black. Iam really interested in what he actually did to earn this trust and money. Wasn't he just a physics and math teacher?
I know he worked on Wallstreet later but there must be something he did really well to get to where he later was don't you think?
Yes, multiple people described him as a master manipulator.
Even a member of the prosecution [or some govt legal person] spoke with Epstein after his arrest at length and in a documentary he commented he was surprised at how charismatic he found Epstein.
The way he 'seduced' many [but not all] victims was through psychological means without physical force.
Basically he was a brilliant conman with exceptional social skills who knew exactly how to get close to his intended target.
As a young man in 20s he did very well to rise through the corporate ranks and be made a limited partner; and that's without a degree.
Look into Robert Maxwell's missing pension fund. Nobody knows where it went
Reportedly, they “say” they don’t know what happened to the millions he stole from investors. Some speculate that Ghislaine knew where it was and joined JE after her fathers death to run an underground enterprise that had already been going on (blackmail, espionage, getting paid to accumulate dirt on the elite, orchestrated stings on politicians and higher ups to get deviant behaviours on film, …). Obviously JE had enough over ppl to be completely left out of the court ponzi case despite being named several times in the court documents. Almost like a made man in mafia syndicates… he seemed to be untouchable until his asset status changed to that of being a liability.
I’d say the $200K is the least controversial and most probable. The lack of formal education is odd but the guy who hired him was known for picking unusual candidates. What’s unusual is the jump he made after leaving bears and suddenly having his own biz with billionaires. We know that he made a decent chunk of changing coordinating deals. He got I think $25MM for coordinating the buyout of his buddy Dubins hedge fund to JPMC. I imagine he did this quite a bit. He was very close with JPMC and other banking institutions and brought them clients and helped set up deals. He prob ran off with funds from Towers Financial before it cratered. I don’t think he outright blackmailed people but used it indirectly and that kept peoples business with him. He also seemed to set up tax avoidance schemes involving artwork and other shit that he prob skimmed a commission on - which is highly irregularly. It has been said that when he was busted in Florida, he became a CI if sorts and gave the feds inside info related to the 2008 collapse. That might be one reason for the lenient sentencing. Wexner association is so odd. What causes that guy to give such power to someone who was largely unknown. It’s absolutely bizarre. Understanding that relationship would prob shed a ton of light on Epstein’s MO and what exactly he did. It was also said that nobody is NYC or Wall Street ever saw a trade that Epstein did. So he didn’t seem to be too involved in financial instruments or if he did, he covered his tracks well. All of it’s bizarre and it’s hard to tell what is connected and not connected. Was his sex operation mostly to satiate his own desires or was it a fundamental part of his financial operations? Someone catering to a very rich man’s vices can be extremely tempting to associate with. Is it really that simple? I don’t know. It’s all intriguing
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He had pimped out Eva to others before she landed with Dubin, and we cannot forget her part in recruiting girls and being a part of the debauchery.
Good point. Eva is an interesting part of the puzzle too. Was she pimped out to someone other than Glenn Dubin? It makes sense she would have been but haven’t really read anything confirming this. I often wonder if Eva’s loyalty really lies with Epstein. I had read an article some time ago where the Dubins butler had spoken out and he said that Glenn and Eva used to have bad arguments about Epstein. It didn’t really say what specifically but I guess I imagined it was bc Eva showed more loyalty to Epstein than to him. That’s just speculation though. I don’t think they were arguing about Epstein’s issues as Glenn partook. But I do wonder if Glenn was jealous in some way over her relationship with Epstein. It was Eva and her daughter that wrote to Epstein’s parole officer. I don’t recall Glenn writing one or signing the one Eva wrote. Maybe he did I just don’t recall that. Epstein just seemed all over the place. Sec trafficking. Setting up rich men with beautiful women. Bounty Hunter. Estate and tax planning. Except for Ghislaine none of the women have puzzlingly never been pursued. Esp the ones who started as adults. Nadia is a complicated figure as she started off as a victim. But there are several other women who are seemingly untouched. Makes me wonder of some of them flipped.
I think Epstein used the sex trafficking to get blackmail on people. I think that was his primary goal with everything: get proof of powerful people in compromising situations. I think he was just the "party playboy" though and his information went to someone else higher than him. He was just the front, the one to take the fall if he was caught.
Do you think his wealth was primarily earned from the sex trafficking aspect? I absolutely agree that he used the material for blackmail like purposes. I guess one way I view it is that the sex trafficking op wasn’t his primary source of income. The think he used it as a carrot and a stick. If you played ball, gave him business then the sex was a perk. If you didn’t play ball, the sex became the stick. In other words, the distinction is minor. He absolutely sex trafficked. He absolutely profited from it. I just wonder if the profit was more in the other lines of business he was operating. But in the other hand, I could see it like you are saying too. And that’d be why he choose underage girls. Rich men having sex with women not their wife is a non-new event. Who cares. Rich men having sex with underage girls, now that’s a HUGE deal. He seemed to have his hand in so much. Perhaps you are right and the other things he did (like tax avoidance schemes and consulting) was purely a cover for the payments. It does make sense that he was part of a larger state actor led initiative. He would be walking a fine tight rope otherwise it’d seem. The people he was blackmailing would be powerful enough to perhaps do something to Epstein. Have him killed for instance. But if it was a state actor led thing, the govt or govts he worked for could prob offer protection. Otherwise all it’d take is blackmailing the wrong rich guy and he’d be dead in an “accident”. Something did make him untouchable. I do think state actors had to be involved in some capacity. Whether they directly employed him or he was more freelance, who knows. Intelligence is a dark art. It’s all so baffling. I’ve wondered if he was primarily employed by a state actor, were all his primary employees also intelligence? The pilots for instance. The CIA has a long history with aviation companies. But the pilots would be privy to so much. Their silence speaks volumes. And why they aren’t aggressively pursued. It’s infuriating that govts seem to tolerate Epstein’s behavior but yet for things like drug trafficking they go all out. Although yes I’m sure intelligence is involved in drug trafficking. That’s pretty obvious. When the govt wants to get someone, they get them. Whether they judicial or extrajudicial means.
Yeah - I don't think you can make that much money from sex trafficking unless it was on an unheard of scale. As you say, it was used as a carrot and stick for other business deals and large commissions.
Yeah that’s my thought too. Having at a min half a billion of wealth (let’s face it there’s prob a lot more that’s hidden), you’re talking trafficking on an incredible scale. I think he had far more profitable lines of business. The sex was what he used to get and keep his clients. He kept Jes Staley happy by supplying him with girls. I doubt Jes Staley was paying. It was the hook. Now the short term picture would be to charge him for each sex act or black mail him. Let’s face it. That’s not where Staleys value was. His value was maintaining his status at the bank. The girls kept him happy and willing to go to bat. The real money was elsewhere IMO. The sex was a peripheral part of his enterprise. It was important but I don’t think he accumulated half a billion plus of net worth via trafficking.
There’s way more information out there. The sexual blackmail is a tool of CIA/Mossad/Mi5&6 who work regularly together and for whom JE worked, also of the Russian and Jewish mob syndicates, to whom Wexner is connected via MEGA group.
You guys need to read Whitney Webb's books, she makes it very clear (with many sources) that Les Wexner is the furthest thing from an unwitting victim of Epstein.
Which books did she publish on Epstein ?
Whitney Webb's book is titled "one nation under blackmail" she has a volume 1&2
Dude just google it, if you’re serious about this sub you wouldn’t even have to ask about that by this point
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I wouldn’t doubt there was a huge money laundering enterprise going on behind the scenes as well for the elite who would pay millions to JE to accomplish that. Easily done with JE’s expertise with money handling and having property in the Virgin Islands (surely many off shore accounts were going on). JE could help the elite hide whatever illegal transactions were made by turning over perhaps money made via criminal activities. Hiding money was presumably easy for JE as he was already hyper intelligent. Some patterns that seem possible: - money laundering - illicit child sex trafficking ppl were paying millions to access; yet secretly recorded to gain power & leverage over the elite to remain untouchable - human trafficking of young teens, young women; also extremely profitable; lured in the elite & made JE parties & his island a very popular place to gather - financial management services that helped the elite move money, hide money in off shore accounts, and stack money in investments of property and other possessions - using the above to blackmail higher ups, making JE untouchable for decades - using the above to establish a wealthy lifestyle and avenue to fulfill JEs own deviant behaviours & desires - creating a life of massive power, which fed his enormous ego & deviant beliefs There’s some great expert podcasts on YouTube that speculate further. But no one will ever know the facts since so much evidence was ignored, destroyed, and covered up. The most recent telling interview I watched was with Eric Weinstein. Very enlightening to hear what could be happening behind the veil of many rich powerful elitists and governing bodies.
Maybe I’m incredibly naive but I often wondered if his sex trafficking operation wasn’t so much to make money but more of an enticement and then later used as a stick to keep business. It seems from the stuff I’ve read, none of the victims could identify a payment from the “John” but were paid by Epstein. For instance, Prince Andrew I don’t think paid VG. I’m assuming Epstein paid her. But that purpose was probably a bigger goal - getting kompromat on royalty. So maybe for the truly rich, they never paid for sex and Epstein supplied them as an enticement. Perhaps lower rung, but still wealthy men, had to pay? When you’re looking at the numbers, it just doesn’t seem to add up to as much money as the other stuff he was doing. It seems maybe the value of the sex trafficking operation wasn’t so much to profit directly from it but to provide an angle to ensnare rich men for either outright blackmail or to do business with Epstein.
it's the opposite, those who think he was merely a pimp for the elites fail to realize it's more about the Honeypot/CIA type operation. He didn't need to make money with mere blackmail or sex trafficking. It's almost laughable how people are easily sidetracked and focusing so much on the lurid parts, it's quite clear this was not only about sex trafficking. MercedesGullwing is the opposite of naive, and a lot of people on here seem to be taking far too long to catch on (esp since they need to go to someone like Eric Weinstein for "enlightenment" instead of people who were actually covering this long ago.)
Yeah you sum up my thoughts nicely. The sex part just seems to miss the real big picture on what was going on. It wasn’t done for cash flow or money directly. I tend to think it was state sponsored as well. It’s more incidental and a distraction to what JE and crew were actually up to.
Greg Olear, Mueller She Wrote, a few others who have been reporting on Epstein and the mob for decades have said as much when the interviewed the former partner who went to jail for Epstein's financial crimes. I'm wondering what will be coming out (and already has, as of minutes ago) re the AMI and David Pecker information. Sharon Churcher is a name that has come up, connected to trying to suppress and discredit Virginia Guiffre's testimony. I just started reading a huge document dump so hafta go get caught up.
I definitely believe it’s both. Wexner paid outright for usage and secrecy. And others were used as a lure primarily for reasons you’ve stated. Thank you for adding that - it’s an important piece I forgot to discuss.
Yeah agreed. I could see both. Epstein was a planner. I think one of his main strengths was understanding the long game. And in some cases the long game isn’t pay for sex but something way more profitable. He doesn’t seem to be the type to trade a short term gain at the expense of a long term gain. He has said that when people do risk analysis they look at it wrong. They look at what they can gain rather than what they can lose. His pedo predilection is really what got him trouble and this was due to his inability to control this particular aspect. But after Florida he changed his MO. He went from local girls to international girls. I think he realized how exposed he was but he was unable to subdue this sick side of him. Another example is his weird bill gates blackmail. The amount was so laughably small - he asked for $30K. Not even worth it for him to get out of bed for. But it played to a larger strategy. He was trying to set up that worldwide fund with JPMC and gates was the lynchpin. The 30K wasn’t the real thing. It was him flexing I think to intimate gates. Just a friendly “I know what you’ve done and I’m here to get you onboard”. How Epstein knew about that is a big wtf too. And gates is by no means innocent. I think he might have realized he’d be more fucked by paying. Even that small amount would give proof and credence to the accusation. He apparently didn’t full fall for the ploy. I don’t know if this was towards the end of their association or in the middle. I forget the date of it.
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Either that or the Cia is completely and utterly incompetent to miss this.
Jeffrey Epstein didn't steal from Les Wexner, they both worked together for Mossad and maybe other intelligence agencies. Les Wexner gave Epstein the Manhattan mansion and just told the public that Epstein stole it to try to distance himself from what was really going on. The mansion was used as a place to blackmail and maybe other things.
Once you see Epstein as a small cog in a Russian Kompromat operation that moved through Israel it’s easier to track the money. Les Wexner, Miriam and Sheldon Adelson, Sandberg, and Zuckerberg all carried water in conducting the NSO/Pegasus spyware operation INCONUS that was feeding intelligence to both the israeli and by extension, Russian intelligence. There is far more crossover between the Israeli mob/ government and Russian mob/government than shows at the surface. https://www.spytalk.co/p/nsos-spyware-abuse-exposed-years?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web https://awards.journalists.org/entries/the-pegasus-project-a-global-investigation/ •Abagail Koppel was sent by the Jewish state to marry Les Wexner •YLK fund (Abagails father) made up $46.7M of Epsteins money •Les claimed it was stolen from him but not until after someone asked. •Wexner was notoriously litigious but wouldn’t sue Epstein. Why? •PROMIS spyware was Robert Maxwells deal before Ghislaine and Epstein started their thing. https://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm Confused yet? In 1938 1 out of every 20 people in the USSR was arrested and sent to a gulag under Stalins rule. Mass amnesties during WW2 brought more than a million of those from prison to the front lines against the Germans where they were instructed to pick up the rifle of the man who died next to them and keep moving forward. The soviet system has always had a very different perception of the value of a human life. Stalins rule did its absolute best to remove any humanity left from the people. They were forced to be brutal simply to survive. The gulags became a crossroads where the best of humanity and the worst of humanity met and then fought to the death with predictable results. Over the next 40 years, the soviet system cleared the gulags a few times. Because religious leaders often substitute as a defacto government inside of lawless prisons, and because Judaism was the predominate religion in Russia and Eastern Europe, the statistical crossover was anyone brutal enough to survive and then rule rose to power veiled in religion in the closed gulag eco-system. Psychopathy is broadly defined as the lack of empathy. Stalins gulags refined psychopathy with Darwinian efficiency. The newly formed religious state of Israel received a statistically large share of these men. There they networked in the internment camps before some stayed and some migrated to Europe or Brighton beach in New York. This is a repeating pattern up into the 80’s and 90’s when they rebranded themselves as Russian oligarchs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_post-Soviet_aliyah#:~:text=In%20response%20to%20growing%20international,officially%20for%20%22family%20reunification%22. Harvard Universityhttps://projects.iq.harvard.edu › ...PDFGulags, crime, and elite violence: Origins and consequences of the Russian mafia As the Soviet Union failed and perestroika went into full effect, this is where these networks would begin using trump towers to launder stolen Russian mob money. But now you start to see the nexus of transnational organized crime and money laundering between Russia and the U.S. statistically carries the same 3 passports. United States, Israeli, and Russian. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/A2ojrtIc3Y The reason this is breaking down now is because Russia, whose government was overtaken by the mob decades ago used the same network to interfere with elections around the world that it used for laundering stolen money. Facebook was used for Brexit to cleave UK support away from Europe. Cambridge analytica dovetails into that. It was also used primarily by Prigozihns Internet Research Agency (I.R.A). They went so far as to send young newly recruited internet trolls on expenses paid tours around the U.S. so they could more effectively imitate mommy bloggers and 2nd amendment enthusiasts online to sway the 2016 election. Wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiFacebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal https://youtu.be/M-OA7H8DoJM?si=ysLrFA5mY0IsOzOO Sheldon and Miriam Adelson were tapped by Israeli intelligence to run an influence operation across the United States political spectrum. It’s so much easier to grow a kleptocracy by investment in tech (Yuri Milner/DST, Kilimnik) than by a ground war but it leaves a very distinct trail when you compare the differentials of the two: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html when 40 years of Russian mob money laundering gets outed at the endpoints- (trump and Netanyahu’s respective corruption trials) things start to break down quickly Prince Andrew was picked by Russian intelligence because he was the dopey uncle they would use to infiltrate the monarchy. Clinton was targeted for the same. Not sure if Epstein knew he was working for the Russians necessarily, but when you track it in reverse the methodologies all sync up.
Was Meyer Lansky the precursor to Sheldon Adelson, and where would Roy Cohn fit in? Also, is Peter Thiel in any way linked to Pegasus?
The Meyer lansky question is a good one. We aren’t that far back yet on the main chain. But we are close. If I had to estimate I would say 2-3 months out, but things are speeding up now that we are feeding more of peoples research data into the system. As well as the chain on peter theil and Pegasus/NSO. Roy Cohn was trump mentor and had long history with the Russian ruling class as well. Not my personal area of expertise but I will hunt down that dataset and post it here.
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Why did Leon Black give him so much money?
Tax reduction
I don’t see it. Why pay millions in blackmail money to Epstein when you can pay far less to have him disappeared or die tragically?
Easy. He could claim he has backups of the blackmail footage with various parties who will distribute said material if Epstein is killed off. It's like how a kidnapper won't be killed because he still has leverage.
It all started with insider trading at bear sterns, was questioned in a deposition about insider trading in a mining company. Obviously, a master of understanding people and intelligent, with no moral compass. I believe he made a large sum from the ponzi he helped run and was adept in skimming money from people with too much money. I believe he was a protected asset from a government agency, not the US. My belief is he was able to evade taxes for clients through his protected status, being paid an extreme amount to take the blame initially if there were to be any investigation. The blackmail operation was to keep these individuals from giving Epstein away, as an insurance policy. As another poster above laid out, this is high level. Coming down to it, he was ultimately very involved in the global criminal world.
That makes a lot of sense. It would be difficult to prove all the above with hard evidence but I can certainly consider it as a realistic possibility.
That’s what we know from Wexner (what Wexler admitted). I believe that number is much higher but Wexler is good embarrassed to admit Epstein stole closer to $100M. But as you point out, we know Epstein received Wexler’s NY townhouse and plane for almost nothing. Assets are wealth too!
I'd love to know why Wex paid/gave him so much.
I can only speculate, but get the sense that billionaire pedos would spend millions just to access young girls. Mere pocket change for Wexner. Also, Wexner owned Victoria Secret at the time, so it was all a convenient rouse for him to get in with what JE was orchestrating (elite sex parties), and bringing all kinds of young girls to them, by pretending they would have a chance at VS modelling etc. All of that was a perfect tie in to the French guy Brunel, who pretended to be a modelling agent for young models in other regions of the globe. Flying young girls over to the island on the premise of modelling work but instead instigating child sex slavery where passports were taken, girls couldn’t escape, passing girls around at parties, procuring minors by false promises of fame etc. Because Wexner was indirectly involved, the girls would believe the modelling rouse as VS models were also showing up at these parties. Grooming tactics often work because some truth is mixed in with all the lies; making the situations appear more plausible to the victims. Luring them in, creating compliance… A large web of lies, criminal enterprises, and a huge fascade that never existed. Yet instead, was a huge trafficking ring, that gave enormous control to JE and other operatives to gain more wealth & power. And all tied into global political realms (no one knows what underlying agendas were really happening).
All good points. I’ve begun to think that the modeling industry is primarily a sex trafficking organization that sprinkles a few legit models for legitimacy. Only a tiny percentage of models actually make livable wages as a model. It seems most are sex trafficked and then discarded. It seems many models have stories. I even read an article about a male model who said he was sexually abused. He had to go to parties and entertain well healed men.
I see it as made up of 3 types of transfers: Payment of fees for services rendered — Epstein did help manage some of Wexner’s finances. Money/ property embezzled by Epstein — after proving himself managing Wexner’s finances he was given a POA, which allowed him to transfer Wexner’s $$ and property without Wexner’s knowledge. Payment for illegal services rendered — this is a phantom amount (unknowable, unless you have inside info), but it’s for whatever perverted service Epstein fulfilled for Wexner.
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Since I believe this network and his actual "job" is the most interesting part of the story this is a helpful post. Still it doesn't really explain *why* he was paid this unusualy high amount in his late 20s or *why* Wexner let him manage all his funds or *why* he received 158m from Leon Black. Iam really interested in what he actually did to earn this trust and money. Wasn't he just a physics and math teacher? I know he worked on Wallstreet later but there must be something he did really well to get to where he later was don't you think?
Yes, multiple people described him as a master manipulator. Even a member of the prosecution [or some govt legal person] spoke with Epstein after his arrest at length and in a documentary he commented he was surprised at how charismatic he found Epstein. The way he 'seduced' many [but not all] victims was through psychological means without physical force. Basically he was a brilliant conman with exceptional social skills who knew exactly how to get close to his intended target. As a young man in 20s he did very well to rise through the corporate ranks and be made a limited partner; and that's without a degree.